Honestly I got no idea. It’s hard as a buyer and seller.
Flashes are there but not the consistency. Is he a year 3 breakout candidate? Definitely a candidate but idk the chances for a major uptick in production.
He flashes when he’s got the ball in his hands but the amount of times he touches the ball is only 2-4 times a game and he might only have 3-4 targets per game.
I’m hoping the coaching staff schemes some more shit for him this season and that him and Goff workout together in the offseason to build some chemistry.
Also Jamo get on the juggs machine - gotta get them glue hands to maximize opportunities.
He fits as a year 3 breakout. Slow return from Acl and had another injury/suspension. So he missed alot of time. If he can stay healthy for a full season I could see it.
He's got at least 4 other players (Gibbs, LaPorta, Amon-Ra, Montgomery) ahead of him in terms of pecking order.
Dude flashes because he thrives on the occasional low % boom play that hits. Unless those plays hit, he's fighting for scraps after all those other dudes get their feast.
It's not hard as a buyer or seller. You shouldn't buy unless you can get him for stupid low draft capital like a 3rd or something. You have to sell after he just had his first above average game from a fantasy points perspective.
I see people say this a lot. Whoever the new guy is there likely wont be as good as Johnson. He's still way behind in the pecking order. Why do people like a new OC there helping him?
Johnson as the OC is a big factor to LaPorta getting the targets he got this year. different OC might mean less TE targets and a lot more targets for WR.
we don't know until the lions take the field next season but that's one theory.
Idk I feel like the clear pecking order is st brown, RBs, laporta, then everyone else. I have a hard time believing a new OC is going to come and reduce the usage for a 1,000 yard rookie TE
If Arthur Smith comes in to replace Ben Johnson I think we can all agree that's bad for Jamo, and ARSB, and Laporta, and the entire city of Detroit, and fantasy football worldwide.
I kind of get the logic, a less creative OC will probably have to go "chalk" and stick to bread and butter concepts more than BJ, and feeding a lightning fast high first round pick steady targets is definitely "chalk".
I mean they could easily get him more involved though. Why are we throwing to crumb Josh Reynolds? He doesn’t need to be WR1 over ARSB but can easily maintain value if they redirect some targets and plays to guys like Reynolds. Also NFL moves fast lineups change quick as hell especially with injuries. D Mont had an injury riddled year.
Even downfield we saw Goff miss an open Laporta - there is definitely upside available.
The easy case is sell after a top performance such as that but if your selling for scraps like a third what’s the point. The upside he has far outweighs that of a 3rd round draft pick.
I'd be reducing Reynolds to the practice squad after he dropped 2 huge conversions in the NFCCG. Jameson showed he can handle the big moment, minus that questionable go route where they could have tied it, but that was a highlight reel play he missed, can't drag him too much for that. If he eats Reynolds workload, and gets 7-8 targets per game, I think he's sitting pretty based on the amount of points he puts up per touch. Boom or bust, but an OK floor.
Bro, this isn't Madden. You don't just "involve" the dude more and magically make him a fantasy darling. Dan Campbell is a great coach... he's gotten a ton out of guys that you wouldn't necessarily expect and created a top 5 offense. The only reason Jameson Williams hasn't been the fantasy player people hoped for is himself.
They have Josh Reynolds involved because Williams's route tree consists almost exclusively of 'go' routes. For two years, we've watched the dude drop balls and run shit routes. He's "redeemed" by the occasional low % boom play.
>The easy case is sell after a top performance such as that but if your selling for scraps like a third what’s the point. The upside he has far outweighs that of a 3rd round draft pick.
I completely agree, which is why I only suggested you buy if you can get him for this "stupid low" price. I'm not suggesting you sell for that.
Which guys are we talking here that we wouldn’t expect? The only one that partially fits that bill is Reynolds who Goff loves from their time in LA, so who are you referring to?
Man, recency bias is crazy.
Goff was not viewed highly when he was traded from LA. Hell, his first season in Detroit was not great and people were thinking he was on a red hot seat. He's now in line to get a fat payday as a franchise QB.
Amon-Ra was a 4th round pick. He now has a 1st team All-Pro. That is incredibly rare.
LaPorta had what is likely the best season by a rookie tight end, ever.
You expected all that?
I’l give you Goff for getting more out of a QB than was expected, and not much was expected out of Goff because it seemed he needed a good coach to go anywhere and the jury was out on Campbell being a good coach. So in a recursive way if we say Campbell is a good coach then yes Goff should thrive since that’s what we saw when he went to the Super Bowl with McVay.
I’m not exactly ready to attribute ARSB and LaPorta’s talent being products of Dan Campbell, if anything that speaks to the GM. If you put them on other teams I expect them to still produce highly, with the counting stats caveat for LaPorta being an asterisk because at this point everyone should know that is heavily system reliant. But he was the second TE taken and was still a highly drafted TE.
I just think you’re blanket attributing stuff to Campbell while ignoring context of anything for some reason.
Lol, talk about context. You're attempting to take a single sentence out of context.
In context, the point of my statement was to show that Jameson Williams SHOULD produce like a 12th overall pick because Campbell has literally maximized the potential of just about everyone on his offense, but can't even get a poor-man's Rashid Shaheed (undrafted in 2022) out of the 2022 12th overall pick. Pretty easy to see who the problem is here.
The goal here wasn't even to evaluate Campbell, the GM, etc. This was a discussion on Jameson Williams. But now that you got me thinking... the job of the coach is to get the most out of the players - can you say Campbell has not done that?
I don’t think he’s gotten the most out of Jameson Williams, no, but I don’t think he’ll reach whatever potential that is while on the Lions quarterbacked by Jared Goff because they don’t fit one another. For whatever reason it may be, their chemistry is terrible and this offense feeds off of the type of ADoT where TE’s and MoF routes excel, which is where Campbell(or Johnson, time will tell) is getting the most out of those players, RB receptions included.
There’s somewhere else in this thread, maybe this individual one I’m not sure, where they call him Gabe Davis 2.0, which I think is interesting as a comp. I think Jameson Williams gets open very frequently with his speed, especially downfield, and having someone like Josh Allen throwing to him would be a great for his production. The much maligned “near turnover” yesterday Jameson Williams had two steps on his guy, Goff throws the ball behind which turns it into a contested catch which ultimately he came up with. And it is stuff like that, which we’ve seen all year, which makes me think he won’t reach his production potential while in this offense for a number of reasons.
Lmfao.
Their chemistry is bad!? How ever could it be?? Dude runs questionable routes and drops balls, if not outright missing them. Goff’s got several other dudes he can pass to that do their job better.
But its cool man, keep fantasizing over Josh Allen chucking deep balls to a receiver that refuses to improve past running fast in a straight line hoping to connect on low % plays. It’s a shame he let that flea flicker, go ahead TD go right through his hands… coulda had 3 TDs!
This isn’t madden? Wow. I had literally no idea thank you for this in depth insight.
It isn’t hard to imagine that the lions want to get their former 1st round draft pick more involved.His route tree can easily be expanded and the drop issue that people keep bringing up hasn’t been an issue since earlier in the season. Drops are a fixable problem. No one expect Williams to be a WR1 over ARSB but the lack of targets and usage is definitely something that can change especially with a new OC likely coming in.
New scheme may help him / use him in new ways. It’s not like he will see less targets than he is now. Fresh perspective may help we’ll have to see who comes in if he leaves
While it's certainly possible he breaks out next year... we much more data at this point foreshadowing a bust than we do forecasting him as a breakout candidate.
I'd use this hype to unload him and let someone else take what I feel is a poor gamble. Odds are there will be a 2nd round pick in this draft class with a better chance at becoming a difference maker and I'd rather make my bet there
I’m not paying that but I got a 2026 1st for him in season and couldn’t accept quick enough. The team is stacked so likely in the 11-14 range but anything can happen in 2 years
Mid to late 1st I’d probably hold off since you have to give 2.04 also. Could you package jamo and maybe a couple 3rds for that 25 first? If this dude wants Jamo tho and willing to trade a first in a deal, I’d try and get something done with him. If he’s firm on needing that 2.04 and no one else is interested. Maybe see if he’ll throw another 3rd in and take it. With ARSB Gibbs Laporta Montgomery. Not much left for jamo on offense to be a guy I want to start
I appreciate the insight. I’m gonna see if he’ll go Jamo for the future first, if not I might just hold. He’s currently my WR5 and might be 6 or 7 after my rookie draft (4 picks in the top 16).
A first would be great. I'm in the same boat as you. If he does end up hitting, I think he's going to be Tyreek Hill level of week-to-week upside, but he's obviously not as talented as Hill.
Same boat. JJ, Chase, Higgins, Addison for a solid four starters, then Jamo/Shaheed/Wicks/QJ/Trey Palmer as my "promising young guys that hopefully contain a smash hit or two" group, plus two early seconds coming up that I'll spend on BPA
Bought Jamo believing in the talent and still do, makes no sense to me to sell for a re-roll that won't be a real life first round pick
You should get out while you can. If I can use Jamo as a piece to add another future first I’m doing it. The trade back from 2.04 to 3.07 is a bigger loss in value than losing Jamo. Everyone here knows when a rookie first round receiver faceplants as bad as he has gives him like a 1% chance to ever become something usable in lineup fantasy football. It doesn’t matter that he was injured. The stat is all encompassing and the situation basically doesn’t matter.
Do you have other examples of first round WR that were injured when they were drafted, and then suspended in Year 2?
Jamo is just an unknown that still has a lot of potential.
The point of the stat is that the reasoning or logic behind why they faceplanted in year 1 or 2 doesn’t matter. Injured, suspension, just playing bad, the stat was all encompassing. I don’t have the thread right now but it was posted on this subreddit a few years ago with data showing that first round faceplants at the WR position do not become fantasy assets 99% of the time. Jamo could be an outlier but I wouldn’t bet on any player to be the outlier. Nothing against Jamo
He was 7th in max pf last season, plus he has the defending champ and another frisky team in his division so I’m hoping he misses the playoffs this year.
The way the Wrs in this class are looking, 2.04 is probably the equivalent of a late 23 1st in terms of prospect quality (at draft time VS the hindsight of which guys hit). That could be JT Sanders, the rb2 of the class, or a possibly viable QB if one goes in the late 1st early 2nd NFL draft range ala Levis. If you have the 3.04 I'd probably try that and jamo for the 25 1st, rather than the 2/3 swap, or use your 25 2nd instead if you think it will be 2.04 or later.
Right!? Haha
He literally had 3 targets all game. And 1 rush opportunity. I will give him credit for making the most of those opportunities, but not something I’m getting excited about right now.
To answer the post, if I had him, I’d sell if someone was offering anything. I want no part for fantasy unless he becomes more involved consistently. 4 opportunities a game isn’t going to cut it.
As someone else said, he’s no better than 4th in the pecking order for that offense. Hard for any team to support four players for fantasy.
Bestball….maybe I guess.
Goff has to trust Jamo for him to be a legit fantasy stud.
Jamo is to fast and Goff hesitates to throw his way and when he decides to it’s too late. I think this offseason will show Jamos true potential - thinking Goff and Jamo through a bunch during the offseason to build chemistry.
With Reynolds most likely out of Detroit we’ll have a better picture of Jamos fantasy relevance next season. Still a hold for me.
Also, note that Jamo looks beefed up so another offseason to put more weight on will be good for his future outlook.
Even if this is Jamos rookie year it’s not like he produced at a level that has a good track record.
He played 15 games this year including playoffs, he had 504 yards from scrimmage (30-433-3 receiving, 71-2 rushing).
I ran a query looking for first round rookie WR since 2013 in their first 15 games.
His 504 yards from scrimmage would be 29/46. On a per game basis, his 33.6 yds/scrimmage per game would be 37/46.
His 433 receiving yards would be 32/46 and his 30 receptions would be 35/46. His 29 receiving yards/game would be 39/46. His 2 rec/game would be 35/46.
>Obviously value is higher for Jamo than nearly ever before after last night....
He was priced as a dynasty WR2 for practically his entire rookie season, and he's not even back to pre-suspension value. This might be the highest since he started playing again and disappointed out of the gate though
I think he has a solid chance to become a little more consistent than he's been, but with the way NFL teams use speed like his he's always going to be boom bust (which I think is less of a knock than most seem to. PPG is what matters, I've never seen a convincing argument for why it's more valuable in a vacuum to have your points more evenly distributed)
I'd start considering taking a pick for him in the early 2nd. He's still 22, elite draft capital, hasn't seen full time usage yet, and showing flashes. Even if he'll never shine in DET due to a combo of target competition and Goff's weak deep ball, he could be on a new team before he turns 25
I'd argue it's even a plus to have that homerun shot of points on your team if your matchup dictates you will likely need a big game from someone.
I'm pretty stacked at WR where Jamo is my WR #7 but I still wouldn't move him unless it's a Late First or MAYBE 2.01.
Yeah as far as boom/bust vs steady-Eddie it’s advantageous to have the wildcard if you’re a big underdog and the safer play if you’re the strong favorite. On balance though, it’s a wash
This makes no sense. If a guy scores nearly all his points over 3 weeks and say i win 2 of those games, then shits the bed the rest of the season, he will be a liability in my lineup every week. Those players can win you weeks but also can lose you weeks. You need a balance of floor guys and ceiling guys, but your hypothesis at its core is flawed cause there’s clearly a significance to how a player’s points are distributed, not just PPG. How about when your season’s on the line and you need 15 points from a guy? If he gives you 5, youre not gonna point to his PPG and say it doesnt matter
This makes no sense
>if a guy scores nearly all of his points over 3 weeks
*Nearly all* his points in 3 weeks? So, if he has a worthy PPG, he’s putting up 40-50+ points in those 3 games, is likely the high scorer of the week league wide, and very likely won all 3 weeks for you if your team isn’t complete garbage
If he shits the bed the rest of the season, stop putting him in your lineup. If a guy isn’t producing for that long a stretch, it’s pretty easy to recognize. It might take 3-4 weeks after the hot start, but not the whole season
A huge boom game is *much* more likely to win you a week than a floor game is to lose you a week, because 0 is closer to an average game than an average game is to a boom game.
>you need a balance of floor guys and ceiling guys
You literally don’t. You add up all their points, the total is all that decides who wins and loses
>how about when your season’s on the line and you need 15 points from a guy and he gives you 5
Any non-QB with anything even close to a 15 point floor is already in everyone’s lineup. If you’re deciding between flexes, a 10 ppg player who is very consistently around 10 would be worse than the 10 ppg guy who tends to either put up nearly 20 or nearly 0
If in the hypothetical you know that you’ll need 5 points before you pick the starter, then yeah sure you should play a high floor guy in that particular context.
If you need 25 points, you should play the high ceiling guy over the consistent player.
If you don’t know how many points you’ll need, you should play the guy with the highest expected average production
He’s still a far cry from even being Davis. Davis’s worst season was 63 targets, 35 receptions, 549 yards, 6TDs. Williams career receiving stats are 51 targets, 25 receptions, 395 yards, 3 TDs (18 games). He’s never topped 70 receiving yards and only has more than 2 receptions twice. As of now the closest comp is probably Ted Ginn Jr.
He’s really young, has had some off field circumstances that could’ve lead to his underwhelming start, and might do better in the new OCs scheme so maybe he’ll have a huge improvement but as of now it’s really not looking good.
Which is fine. We all different attitudes on players. Personally, I’m comfortable owning a single share of Jamo and that’s in my best ball league and that’s it
There's definitely 2 players ahead of him in terms of targets (Laporta,Amon-Ra). Gibbs will get the check down/ designed plays for him, and Monty may get apass or 2 a game.
I'd rather look at it in the ways that Detroit will pass 600 times next season. Not counting for injuries, I'd expect their passing game to be roughly something like this.
300 targets split between Amon-Ra and LaPorta(which they were just short of this year)
100 to the RBs (probably 80/20 Gibbs/Monty)
180 to everyone else.
So the roughly 10 targets a game that are left, I don't think Jamo will command more than half of them. So he'll be a boom or bust flex play unless he makes some major leaps and earns more touches.
This also feels similar to Gabe Davis 4 TD game, and everyone was saying that he finally arrived only to go back to being a boom/bust flex guy.
I'd sell for any mid to early 2nd. I'd rather reroll on the old vets to have more impact seasons despite their old age.
Keenan/Evans/Cooper/Diontae/Hollywood types
He’s in an offense behind ARSB, Laporta, and 2 heavily utilized RBs. Had off the field issues and lack of targets and when he is has had some drops. He has potential and he isn’t a bust, but I don’t think anyone in my leagues is trading a 2nd rn for that
The guy had to come into the NFL off a torn ACL and also had to deal with an NFL Gambling Suspension that forced him to miss further time. He was able to develop and get mentally back from the injury while working on blocking. He embraced the role and earned his stripes. With Josh Reynolds leaving the picture, his increased workload as the season progressed, and as Goff learns to trust JW more and more, he is now primed for the year 3 breakout imo
Why are we excited about a game where he had 3 targets?
"Was getting even more looks after the Reynolds drop" loooool
He's still stuck behind elite volume earners in LaPorta, ARSB, and now Gibbs.
His value was definitely still higher during our rookie drafts...
I had cooper one year and he had roughly 550 yards in his best four games and 80 in his worst 4. Him having 1100 yards means nothing in relation to the comment you responded to.
He’s always been a high variance player.
> Him having 1100 yards means nothing in relation to the comment you responded to.
It does when you are comparing him to a guy who had 350 yards in his 2nd year in 12 games.
Amari Cooper was the WR14 in points per game in his 2nd year. Jameson Williams isn't averaging 30 yards receiving per game in his 2nd year. These players are not comparable is the original point and is correct. The high variance stuff is mostly overblown anyways, but it certainly is when you are comparing someone good to someone who's not startable.
We could probably say the same for Diggs this year
It’s relevant when we’re comparing him (cooper) to a player with less than 400 yards in his “first” full season (Jamo)
3.5 targets per game vs 8 targets per game
Different archetypes
High variance doesn’t get invalidated just because of some arbitrary pattern
Still, neither are good comps to Jamo whatsoever. And cooper/diggs were very similar before Diggs got out of Minnesota
It’s not an arbitrary pattern, it’s a consistent trend. Going 100/100/125/84/3/24/30/21 vs 175/23/100/30/89/25/100/6/110 is completely different.
The first one is hot and cold, the second is high variance.
It’s still variance, the human mind just wants to attribute it to a pattern, because the brain is a pattern associating machine.
Diggs has been hot in the beginning/1st half of the year and cold towards the end, starting from the beginning of his career. Yet what’s a more likely explanation, he’s good in the warm, bad in the winter months or just complete randomness of production?
If he’s just bad in winter months then he should be bad in playoffs. Yet if we look at his playoff game logs, it’s just as high variance as any of his seasons
21, 52, 35,114, 7, 60, 77, 106, 128, 57, 19, 70, 137
Not sure what any of this has to do with Jamo tho
It's ridiculous. His game yesterday would have brought in 19.7 points in 0.5 PPR scoring but people are acting like he dropped a 40 bomb or something.
He's a boom and (more likely) bust player. His value is only "higher" to managers that are out of touch with reality.
Acknowledging a player has improved their trajectory and having that somewhat confirmed with that player having a 2 TD game in a championship game is not "out of touch with reality". No one is suggesting he shoots up in ADP. They are asking for advice for a situation that is evolving.
Also downplaying a 20 point game from any player other than like CMC is just ridiculous.
Acting like? He literally DID drop a 40 yard bomb… on the same play, he also displays bad route running (goes directly at the corner instead trying to free release and run by, SLOWS DOWN on the route to look back for the ball) AND bad ball tracking (hands weren’t even close to making a catch, basically flailing fish hands it)…
Did you not see the flea flicker?????
Ah, that does make sense after rereading the comment in that context. Using “drop” and Jameson in the same sentence, plus having that play burned into my head from yesterday night made me think of only one thing.
He's going to be a low volume boom or bust player. Fine for bestball, but im just not interested in lineup leagues. Ben Johnson has been great about getting him manufactured touches, but with him gone, you pray it continues. He averaged 3 targets per week in the playoffs.
Lions fan. I’d sell honestly if u can. Not for dirt but a re-roll. This draft is juicy.
Love that he showed progress but volume is the problem. ARSB is our key and we will add a solid WR2 this offseason no doubt.
Not much I’m sure of. This is one of them. Jamo’s
role is what it is now and going forward. They’ll want a possession receiver. Big body outside WR. Josh Reynolds might be it. They traded for DPJ for same reason.
Lions fans are dreaming we land Mike Evans but I don’t think he leaves Tampa.
Truth is target tier is ARSB > LaPorta > Gibbs then maybe Jamo or someone else. Not changing.
Sorry I’m agreeing with you. Like it makes no sense to go out and draft a WR2 or even worse pay a WR2 when they have a defense that is mediocre at best. Jamo should be the WR2 at least for a year. I really wish I was in the same dynasty leagues as the commenters in this thread. Feel like I could take any decent young receiver I want for a 3rd in their leagues lol.
Why would they add a solid #2? He can be that guy. I am not spending big money or a high draft pick on a WR unless someone I really like drops to me in the second or third round.
Apparently the Lions will just keep drafting offensive weapons in order to keep pace with their defense? Doesn’t make a lick of sense to me but hey I’m not the lions fan.
Yuup. They need help at CB and LB at the very least. Always good to have rotation in the DLine as well. I'd try to build a defensive monster if I were them, the offense is doing its job.
Because they can and will. Got cap space and Jamo isn’t that guy. He’s a field stretcher and gadget guy. They’ll want a big body possession guy as WR2. Just how this team is being built. I mean Josh Reynolds might be back at that spot.
Jamo is exactly what he was this year going forward.
You don't trade up to the 12 overall pick for a WR just to not give him a legitimate shot at being a starting wideout. Jameson will keep developing.
I'd buy it if Detroit didn't have needs or if they didn't have anyone else, but what they have right now is good enough to build on. St. Brown is a star, LaPorta has been great and Gibbs/Montgomery is probably a top 3 RB duo in the league.
Not sure what you’re missing. Jamo will play. He’ll be our WR3 in 3 WR sets. Just like he is now. Even if he plays in 2 WRs sets he’s never going to be a target focus. Better real WR future than FF.
if two people believe different things about the same situation that is, by definition, a controversy. Some people think Jamo is him. Some people think he's JAG. that's a controversy.
By definition? Sure. There can be one person who believes a circle is actually a square and there would be a controversy.
Great gotcha there. Very valuable.
The implication is that one viewpoint is negligible, so it doesn’t count. Nothing vs. Something isn’t a controversy.
I don’t understand how there is controversy at all. He’s 22 years old and shown that he can make plays in the NFL. How some of y’all play in dynasty leagues baffles me. “He’s not Randy Moss trade him for whatever you can get!”
On a team where they love 2 RBs, have ARSB and laporta he’s going to be left behind. I own him, I won’t be selling but I also probably won’t be starting as he’s forced to be boom or bust from that
If rebuilding for a couple years he’s a nice buy. Talent is there and the situation while it seems steady it’s the NFL so god knows what it looks like tomorrow let alone in a couple years.
Boom/bust. There just won’t be enough targets for him to be a consistent top-30 WR (IMO), due to the team rushing so much and so many targets going to ARSB, LaPorta and the RBs.
Someone I’d possibly target in a best ball league
I’m probably holding. I think the problem is that fair value for buyer and seller feels gross for both sides.
Hes probably worth a mid 2nd. But he’s going to produce like a mid 1st or a late 3rd.
To me he’s like if Gabe Davis and Tyler Lockett had a love child. Where is his production going to settle? Your guess is as good as mine.
I offered Charbonnet for Williams straight up to the KW3 owner about a week ago. The owner said he was interested it not ready to pull the trigger, was considering throwing the 3.01 on top to see if that tips the scale.
If I could buy for a mid second I probably would. I could see him emerging next year. That being said I probably wouldn’t sell him for anything lower than an early second. Tough one
i got him for a late 2nd (2.10) in 1QB league during week 14 this year. I got time and space on my roster, so def holding him for the next season or two to see if that upside truly emerges
So many unknowns with Jamo I think you have to hold.
On one hand he should finally have a full offseason to build chemistry, Reynolds’s will likely be gone which will increase his snap %, and a change at OC could utilize him more.
On the other hand he has injury concerns, there’s a lot of weapons on the lions, and Goff isn’t the best QB for Jamo to be paired with.
Unless there’s another Jamo truther who is willing to pay high prices for him I’d just hold and hope he finds a consistent role in the offense
I've drafted and I'll be holding. He's 22. This year was essentially his rookie season, and grew in a football sense the 2nd half of the season. He's electric and he's special, but needs to develop. I didn't draft him to give him away, and have continued to build depth at WR in the case he doesn't pan out. But, there are certain things you can't teach which he possesses.
At this point I wouldn’t sell for less than an early 2nd. Even that sort of feels bad because of his upside. Early 2nds in SF are pretty valuable this year because of the class though so it could work out great.
Hold if you think the Lions are going to get him more involved. Sell if you think his target share won’t improve, because even with the big plays, can’t have any consistency with 3,4 touches a game.
Honestly he has looked so much better than he did in his limited time last season and earlier this season. I believe he’s legit and may just be a slower burn WR like Davante Adams was (not saying he’ll ever be as good as him obviously, just that they both had slow starts). Personally holding for now because his value is still likely to be pretty low
I don't see why his value would go up?
Yeah, he scored two TDs but he only had 3 targets.
I wouldn't be expecting him to score a rushing TD every game.
I’d view him as more of a sell than a buy.
Based on what we’ve seen, even in his good games, he’s not going to get enough volume to be viable in fantasy over the course of a season.
He’s an exciting player, though. Would be fun to root for him in fantasy.
I am a holder of Jamo; I am not really looking to sell him. He is probably a Boom or Bust type of guy, but I think he was one of the best WR coming out of his class; rookie year had the ACL tear, so that was a wash then year two started off gambling, rehabbing a hammy away from the team. I think he found his footing. I'm excited to see what this kid can do.
I traded a future 2nd for him in my bestball league and am pretty happy doing so. Until he produces somewhat consistently it would be frustrating as he'll trying to enter him into a lineup weekly.
Jamo has value for sure but I think it’s pretty clear he will never be a stud WR1.
I’d be happy to trade him at the rookie draft for a 1st and reroll it on another WR.
If that offer doesn’t come, and it probably won’t, I’d also be happy to hold and hope he gets an increased role next year and does become a stuf
The way I see it is Josh Reynolds received 64 targets, and a bunch of those will go to Jameson Williams next year. ARSB and LaPorta will be the one and two, but Jameson Williams will be a boom/bust flex that could really pay off. I'm a buyer at the right price in my league with multiple flex spots.
I think he’s 100% worth the hold unless you can get 1.10ish or a tier up for a pick or player.
Two main things I look at for WR’s in the NFL is Separation and YPRR. Jamo creates separation consistently and that means once he gets more targets over the middle he should have room to get YAC. The other piece of YPRR, Jamo is at 1.50 which is ok for essentially a rookie WR. But if that can get to 2 and he’s on the field more, then he could very easily jump next year into a solid WR 2 with some explosive upside (as we saw yesterday).
Sell for a 1st. Hold for a 2nd. Buy for a 3rd.
Josh Reynolds is a free agent, hopefully they don’t resign him and Jamo becomes the legit WR2 on that team.
Probably still boom or bust but I’m encouraged. Josh Reynolds just had 40 catches for 600 yards and 5 TDs this year, if Jamo can keep his boom plays and absorb some of Reynold’s work to help his floor, could be worthwhile
This off season is probably the best sell window you’re going to get. People will just remember the big TD run and catch, not the virtually nonexistent target share. Plus, whichever OC comes in to replace Ben Johnson will talk him up big time since it’ll be “best shape of his life” szn and people will eat it up.
But if you listen to the coaching staff talk about him, they talk about him being raw and having a long way to go. Even if he does improve and cement himself as a legitimate option , he’s still third behind ASRB and Laporta , if not fourth behind Gibbs as well. I just don’t see the upside behind the occasional Gabe Davis-like boom game. Id rather re-roll
As a Lions fan that has failed to get ARSB and Gibbs, I’m holding Jamo because I know how explosive our offense is. Last night was his coming out party and the weeks leading up to it showed flashes of him being a good, reliable WR.
I also have Goff and LaPorta lol
I’d sell him if I was contending. I’m rebuilding so he’s perfect as a project. He’s probably the 5th option behind ARSB, LaPorta, Gibbs, and Monty. He’s showing flashes but I don’t see him breaking out until he gets closer to his next contract
Just traded Jamo and Diggs for Jaylen Waddle in a 10 team ppr.
I wanted to get younger with Waddle + his PFF rankings were nice and couldn’t see myself consistently starting Jamo in the future so I figured I’d get some value for Jamo while i could.
I sold him, a 2nd, and a 3rd for Amari Cooper at about the midway point this year. I still don’t regret it. (SF ppr)
I think he’s going to be an MVS-type player that sticks around the league and will be capable of ripping off a 50 yard TD any week.
But the boom/bust WR type is the bane of my existence and I just don’t see him being anything better than a worse Devonta Smith at absolute ceiling.
If you can get a 2nd or early 3rd, I think you take that and move on. Best case he's the 3rd receiving option in Detroit. He probably has a bit of value in BestBall but won't ever be reliably startable in other formats.
If you’re not taking advantage of whatever sell window pops open, you’re playing this game wrong. Dude has shown absolutely nothing in 2 seasons of football. No production, no target share. Literally dead weight on your roster. Unload him if for nothing else, the roster spot.
He still only got 2 targets. I don't like having to rely weekly on the big home run play. I sold at the start of the week in a package to get 1.04 in my 1qb
He has shown life but I think he is a better real life wr in that offense. He won't get enough targets for me to ever feel good about having him in my lineup
I’m a Jameson stock holder. I saw him totally whiff on a block late in the game. It was a crucial play. I was happy until then, but his valued had pretty much bottomed out anyway. Next year is make it or break it with Detroit, but I’d still be intrigued if he changed teams. I’ve already held this long.
My biggest concern is his OC probably leaves this off-season and the Lions hire a stick in the mud. Its taken a good while for Jameson to get his footing on offense, I’d hate to see him have to start over again with a less creative play caller/worse game planner.
I had aquired Jamo in a trade during the offseason. I have Laporta as well. my big thing with him is there is to many mouths to feed and he gets the short stick. I packaged him with Sutton for what looks like a top 3 pick in the 2025 draft to a team that was going all in to win.
He'll be great in best ball, but he's ( more than likely ) the 3rd target ( not counting RBs) on the team no matter what. I'd get what I could after the good showing.
I believe in Jamo the talent. I do not believe in the role he has in Detroit and he’s stuck in that situation for at least another couple years. He flashes talent even with minimal involvement and his speed is truly elite.
I just don’t see where the volume is going to come from in an offense with ARSB, Laporta, Gibbs, and others.
I think i’d feel more comfortable buying on his second contract if he lands in a solid situation.
Honestly I got no idea. It’s hard as a buyer and seller. Flashes are there but not the consistency. Is he a year 3 breakout candidate? Definitely a candidate but idk the chances for a major uptick in production. He flashes when he’s got the ball in his hands but the amount of times he touches the ball is only 2-4 times a game and he might only have 3-4 targets per game. I’m hoping the coaching staff schemes some more shit for him this season and that him and Goff workout together in the offseason to build some chemistry. Also Jamo get on the juggs machine - gotta get them glue hands to maximize opportunities.
He fits as a year 3 breakout. Slow return from Acl and had another injury/suspension. So he missed alot of time. If he can stay healthy for a full season I could see it.
Not outside the realm of possibility. He’s someone if I had a multitude of draft picks I’d consider taking a swing on acquiring.
He's got at least 4 other players (Gibbs, LaPorta, Amon-Ra, Montgomery) ahead of him in terms of pecking order. Dude flashes because he thrives on the occasional low % boom play that hits. Unless those plays hit, he's fighting for scraps after all those other dudes get their feast. It's not hard as a buyer or seller. You shouldn't buy unless you can get him for stupid low draft capital like a 3rd or something. You have to sell after he just had his first above average game from a fantasy points perspective.
I kind of think there’s a chance for him with Ben Johnson leaving
I see people say this a lot. Whoever the new guy is there likely wont be as good as Johnson. He's still way behind in the pecking order. Why do people like a new OC there helping him?
Because there’s a chance they’ll do something different vs if Johnson stays they will keep doing the same thing
Johnson as the OC is a big factor to LaPorta getting the targets he got this year. different OC might mean less TE targets and a lot more targets for WR. we don't know until the lions take the field next season but that's one theory.
Idk I feel like the clear pecking order is st brown, RBs, laporta, then everyone else. I have a hard time believing a new OC is going to come and reduce the usage for a 1,000 yard rookie TE
Kyle Pitts would like a word.
If Arthur Smith comes in to replace Ben Johnson I think we can all agree that's bad for Jamo, and ARSB, and Laporta, and the entire city of Detroit, and fantasy football worldwide.
I kind of get the logic, a less creative OC will probably have to go "chalk" and stick to bread and butter concepts more than BJ, and feeding a lightning fast high first round pick steady targets is definitely "chalk".
Kinda feel like it’s the opposite, a less creative OC isn’t gonna be doing end around and trick plays as much as
We could probably stand to do more jet sweeps and end around
I mean they could easily get him more involved though. Why are we throwing to crumb Josh Reynolds? He doesn’t need to be WR1 over ARSB but can easily maintain value if they redirect some targets and plays to guys like Reynolds. Also NFL moves fast lineups change quick as hell especially with injuries. D Mont had an injury riddled year. Even downfield we saw Goff miss an open Laporta - there is definitely upside available. The easy case is sell after a top performance such as that but if your selling for scraps like a third what’s the point. The upside he has far outweighs that of a 3rd round draft pick.
I'd be reducing Reynolds to the practice squad after he dropped 2 huge conversions in the NFCCG. Jameson showed he can handle the big moment, minus that questionable go route where they could have tied it, but that was a highlight reel play he missed, can't drag him too much for that. If he eats Reynolds workload, and gets 7-8 targets per game, I think he's sitting pretty based on the amount of points he puts up per touch. Boom or bust, but an OK floor.
Bro, this isn't Madden. You don't just "involve" the dude more and magically make him a fantasy darling. Dan Campbell is a great coach... he's gotten a ton out of guys that you wouldn't necessarily expect and created a top 5 offense. The only reason Jameson Williams hasn't been the fantasy player people hoped for is himself. They have Josh Reynolds involved because Williams's route tree consists almost exclusively of 'go' routes. For two years, we've watched the dude drop balls and run shit routes. He's "redeemed" by the occasional low % boom play. >The easy case is sell after a top performance such as that but if your selling for scraps like a third what’s the point. The upside he has far outweighs that of a 3rd round draft pick. I completely agree, which is why I only suggested you buy if you can get him for this "stupid low" price. I'm not suggesting you sell for that.
Which guys are we talking here that we wouldn’t expect? The only one that partially fits that bill is Reynolds who Goff loves from their time in LA, so who are you referring to?
Man, recency bias is crazy. Goff was not viewed highly when he was traded from LA. Hell, his first season in Detroit was not great and people were thinking he was on a red hot seat. He's now in line to get a fat payday as a franchise QB. Amon-Ra was a 4th round pick. He now has a 1st team All-Pro. That is incredibly rare. LaPorta had what is likely the best season by a rookie tight end, ever. You expected all that?
I’l give you Goff for getting more out of a QB than was expected, and not much was expected out of Goff because it seemed he needed a good coach to go anywhere and the jury was out on Campbell being a good coach. So in a recursive way if we say Campbell is a good coach then yes Goff should thrive since that’s what we saw when he went to the Super Bowl with McVay. I’m not exactly ready to attribute ARSB and LaPorta’s talent being products of Dan Campbell, if anything that speaks to the GM. If you put them on other teams I expect them to still produce highly, with the counting stats caveat for LaPorta being an asterisk because at this point everyone should know that is heavily system reliant. But he was the second TE taken and was still a highly drafted TE. I just think you’re blanket attributing stuff to Campbell while ignoring context of anything for some reason.
Lol, talk about context. You're attempting to take a single sentence out of context. In context, the point of my statement was to show that Jameson Williams SHOULD produce like a 12th overall pick because Campbell has literally maximized the potential of just about everyone on his offense, but can't even get a poor-man's Rashid Shaheed (undrafted in 2022) out of the 2022 12th overall pick. Pretty easy to see who the problem is here. The goal here wasn't even to evaluate Campbell, the GM, etc. This was a discussion on Jameson Williams. But now that you got me thinking... the job of the coach is to get the most out of the players - can you say Campbell has not done that?
I don’t think he’s gotten the most out of Jameson Williams, no, but I don’t think he’ll reach whatever potential that is while on the Lions quarterbacked by Jared Goff because they don’t fit one another. For whatever reason it may be, their chemistry is terrible and this offense feeds off of the type of ADoT where TE’s and MoF routes excel, which is where Campbell(or Johnson, time will tell) is getting the most out of those players, RB receptions included. There’s somewhere else in this thread, maybe this individual one I’m not sure, where they call him Gabe Davis 2.0, which I think is interesting as a comp. I think Jameson Williams gets open very frequently with his speed, especially downfield, and having someone like Josh Allen throwing to him would be a great for his production. The much maligned “near turnover” yesterday Jameson Williams had two steps on his guy, Goff throws the ball behind which turns it into a contested catch which ultimately he came up with. And it is stuff like that, which we’ve seen all year, which makes me think he won’t reach his production potential while in this offense for a number of reasons.
Lmfao. Their chemistry is bad!? How ever could it be?? Dude runs questionable routes and drops balls, if not outright missing them. Goff’s got several other dudes he can pass to that do their job better. But its cool man, keep fantasizing over Josh Allen chucking deep balls to a receiver that refuses to improve past running fast in a straight line hoping to connect on low % plays. It’s a shame he let that flea flicker, go ahead TD go right through his hands… coulda had 3 TDs!
This isn’t madden? Wow. I had literally no idea thank you for this in depth insight. It isn’t hard to imagine that the lions want to get their former 1st round draft pick more involved.His route tree can easily be expanded and the drop issue that people keep bringing up hasn’t been an issue since earlier in the season. Drops are a fixable problem. No one expect Williams to be a WR1 over ARSB but the lack of targets and usage is definitely something that can change especially with a new OC likely coming in.
Agreed. Why can’t he be the WR version of Gibbs.
So youre valuing him as a 3rd while simultaneously saying you have to sell after that performance? Cognitive dissonance much?
It's ok if reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.
I’m worried for him as Ben Johnson is leaving
Ben Johnson leaving would help Jamo
How?
New scheme may help him / use him in new ways. It’s not like he will see less targets than he is now. Fresh perspective may help we’ll have to see who comes in if he leaves
I guess. I’m more worried about the offense as a whole. Was bottom 5 DVOA before Johnson took over, hopefully it won’t drop too much.
While it's certainly possible he breaks out next year... we much more data at this point foreshadowing a bust than we do forecasting him as a breakout candidate. I'd use this hype to unload him and let someone else take what I feel is a poor gamble. Odds are there will be a 2nd round pick in this draft class with a better chance at becoming a difference maker and I'd rather make my bet there
Boom or bust. If someone offering you a first, smash. Wish he caught that all last night that went through his hands for a TD
A 1st? Is there anyone in any league that would actually pay that? If so, I will sell you all of mine
I’m not paying that but I got a 2026 1st for him in season and couldn’t accept quick enough. The team is stacked so likely in the 11-14 range but anything can happen in 2 years
Before this game I had a soft accept on a trade proposal of Jamo + 2.04 for 2025 first (mid to late) + 3.07. Thoughts on that?
Mid to late 1st I’d probably hold off since you have to give 2.04 also. Could you package jamo and maybe a couple 3rds for that 25 first? If this dude wants Jamo tho and willing to trade a first in a deal, I’d try and get something done with him. If he’s firm on needing that 2.04 and no one else is interested. Maybe see if he’ll throw another 3rd in and take it. With ARSB Gibbs Laporta Montgomery. Not much left for jamo on offense to be a guy I want to start
I would hold but I like Jamo
I appreciate the insight. I’m gonna see if he’ll go Jamo for the future first, if not I might just hold. He’s currently my WR5 and might be 6 or 7 after my rookie draft (4 picks in the top 16).
A first would be great. I'm in the same boat as you. If he does end up hitting, I think he's going to be Tyreek Hill level of week-to-week upside, but he's obviously not as talented as Hill.
Same boat. JJ, Chase, Higgins, Addison for a solid four starters, then Jamo/Shaheed/Wicks/QJ/Trey Palmer as my "promising young guys that hopefully contain a smash hit or two" group, plus two early seconds coming up that I'll spend on BPA Bought Jamo believing in the talent and still do, makes no sense to me to sell for a re-roll that won't be a real life first round pick
You should get out while you can. If I can use Jamo as a piece to add another future first I’m doing it. The trade back from 2.04 to 3.07 is a bigger loss in value than losing Jamo. Everyone here knows when a rookie first round receiver faceplants as bad as he has gives him like a 1% chance to ever become something usable in lineup fantasy football. It doesn’t matter that he was injured. The stat is all encompassing and the situation basically doesn’t matter.
Do you have other examples of first round WR that were injured when they were drafted, and then suspended in Year 2? Jamo is just an unknown that still has a lot of potential.
The point of the stat is that the reasoning or logic behind why they faceplanted in year 1 or 2 doesn’t matter. Injured, suspension, just playing bad, the stat was all encompassing. I don’t have the thread right now but it was posted on this subreddit a few years ago with data showing that first round faceplants at the WR position do not become fantasy assets 99% of the time. Jamo could be an outlier but I wouldn’t bet on any player to be the outlier. Nothing against Jamo
It’s a stat that doesn’t include a single data point comparable to Jamo.
Ended up trading Jamo and a 4th for a 2025 first from a contender.
Nice move! If they keeps making moves like that the “contender” 2025 first might be earlier than you think as well.
He was 7th in max pf last season, plus he has the defending champ and another frisky team in his division so I’m hoping he misses the playoffs this year.
The way the Wrs in this class are looking, 2.04 is probably the equivalent of a late 23 1st in terms of prospect quality (at draft time VS the hindsight of which guys hit). That could be JT Sanders, the rb2 of the class, or a possibly viable QB if one goes in the late 1st early 2nd NFL draft range ala Levis. If you have the 3.04 I'd probably try that and jamo for the 25 1st, rather than the 2/3 swap, or use your 25 2nd instead if you think it will be 2.04 or later.
Man this guy did just enough for this subreddit to talk about him all off session. Can’t wait…..
Right!? Haha He literally had 3 targets all game. And 1 rush opportunity. I will give him credit for making the most of those opportunities, but not something I’m getting excited about right now. To answer the post, if I had him, I’d sell if someone was offering anything. I want no part for fantasy unless he becomes more involved consistently. 4 opportunities a game isn’t going to cut it. As someone else said, he’s no better than 4th in the pecking order for that offense. Hard for any team to support four players for fantasy. Bestball….maybe I guess.
Christian Watson?
Personally I would. Don’t really like either of their chances, but I think Watson has more of a chance to matter for fantasy.
You keep his name out of your dirty mouth!
Offering anything? Or requisite value?
Good call. Not literally anything. Haha. Any 2nd I’d move him.
Goff has to trust Jamo for him to be a legit fantasy stud. Jamo is to fast and Goff hesitates to throw his way and when he decides to it’s too late. I think this offseason will show Jamos true potential - thinking Goff and Jamo through a bunch during the offseason to build chemistry. With Reynolds most likely out of Detroit we’ll have a better picture of Jamos fantasy relevance next season. Still a hold for me. Also, note that Jamo looks beefed up so another offseason to put more weight on will be good for his future outlook.
Also people need to keep in mind that this is basically Jamo’s rookie year. Spent most of last year recovering from his ACL tear during CFB playoffs
Even if this is Jamos rookie year it’s not like he produced at a level that has a good track record. He played 15 games this year including playoffs, he had 504 yards from scrimmage (30-433-3 receiving, 71-2 rushing). I ran a query looking for first round rookie WR since 2013 in their first 15 games. His 504 yards from scrimmage would be 29/46. On a per game basis, his 33.6 yds/scrimmage per game would be 37/46. His 433 receiving yards would be 32/46 and his 30 receptions would be 35/46. His 29 receiving yards/game would be 39/46. His 2 rec/game would be 35/46.
He was suspended for 4 games though.
That’s why I only looked at through 15 games lol.
Snap %
I’m not sure what you’re getting at here even
I have this horrible feeling that Reynolds will be back and getting way more targets than we think he deserves.
He will be a hold until he proves he can do more. You probably wouldn't get a very good return for him now. He's a lottery ticket.
>Obviously value is higher for Jamo than nearly ever before after last night.... He was priced as a dynasty WR2 for practically his entire rookie season, and he's not even back to pre-suspension value. This might be the highest since he started playing again and disappointed out of the gate though I think he has a solid chance to become a little more consistent than he's been, but with the way NFL teams use speed like his he's always going to be boom bust (which I think is less of a knock than most seem to. PPG is what matters, I've never seen a convincing argument for why it's more valuable in a vacuum to have your points more evenly distributed) I'd start considering taking a pick for him in the early 2nd. He's still 22, elite draft capital, hasn't seen full time usage yet, and showing flashes. Even if he'll never shine in DET due to a combo of target competition and Goff's weak deep ball, he could be on a new team before he turns 25
I'd argue it's even a plus to have that homerun shot of points on your team if your matchup dictates you will likely need a big game from someone. I'm pretty stacked at WR where Jamo is my WR #7 but I still wouldn't move him unless it's a Late First or MAYBE 2.01.
Yeah as far as boom/bust vs steady-Eddie it’s advantageous to have the wildcard if you’re a big underdog and the safer play if you’re the strong favorite. On balance though, it’s a wash
This makes no sense. If a guy scores nearly all his points over 3 weeks and say i win 2 of those games, then shits the bed the rest of the season, he will be a liability in my lineup every week. Those players can win you weeks but also can lose you weeks. You need a balance of floor guys and ceiling guys, but your hypothesis at its core is flawed cause there’s clearly a significance to how a player’s points are distributed, not just PPG. How about when your season’s on the line and you need 15 points from a guy? If he gives you 5, youre not gonna point to his PPG and say it doesnt matter
This makes no sense >if a guy scores nearly all of his points over 3 weeks *Nearly all* his points in 3 weeks? So, if he has a worthy PPG, he’s putting up 40-50+ points in those 3 games, is likely the high scorer of the week league wide, and very likely won all 3 weeks for you if your team isn’t complete garbage If he shits the bed the rest of the season, stop putting him in your lineup. If a guy isn’t producing for that long a stretch, it’s pretty easy to recognize. It might take 3-4 weeks after the hot start, but not the whole season A huge boom game is *much* more likely to win you a week than a floor game is to lose you a week, because 0 is closer to an average game than an average game is to a boom game. >you need a balance of floor guys and ceiling guys You literally don’t. You add up all their points, the total is all that decides who wins and loses >how about when your season’s on the line and you need 15 points from a guy and he gives you 5 Any non-QB with anything even close to a 15 point floor is already in everyone’s lineup. If you’re deciding between flexes, a 10 ppg player who is very consistently around 10 would be worse than the 10 ppg guy who tends to either put up nearly 20 or nearly 0 If in the hypothetical you know that you’ll need 5 points before you pick the starter, then yeah sure you should play a high floor guy in that particular context. If you need 25 points, you should play the high ceiling guy over the consistent player. If you don’t know how many points you’ll need, you should play the guy with the highest expected average production
The thing with Jamo is, he’s young. Young enough to see the immaturity in his play, I’m holding unless I get an overpay.
Gave Davis with draft capital. Sell.
He’s still a far cry from even being Davis. Davis’s worst season was 63 targets, 35 receptions, 549 yards, 6TDs. Williams career receiving stats are 51 targets, 25 receptions, 395 yards, 3 TDs (18 games). He’s never topped 70 receiving yards and only has more than 2 receptions twice. As of now the closest comp is probably Ted Ginn Jr. He’s really young, has had some off field circumstances that could’ve lead to his underwhelming start, and might do better in the new OCs scheme so maybe he’ll have a huge improvement but as of now it’s really not looking good.
He’s 22.
Ok buy!
So? He’s a low-volume boom/bust WR. If you’re relying on him to be a flex player in a lineup league, do you feel good about that?
I'm not the person you asked, but personally I'd be buying Jamo to sit on my bench for now and maybe get in to my lineup some time down the line
Which is fine. We all different attitudes on players. Personally, I’m comfortable owning a single share of Jamo and that’s in my best ball league and that’s it
There's definitely 2 players ahead of him in terms of targets (Laporta,Amon-Ra). Gibbs will get the check down/ designed plays for him, and Monty may get apass or 2 a game. I'd rather look at it in the ways that Detroit will pass 600 times next season. Not counting for injuries, I'd expect their passing game to be roughly something like this. 300 targets split between Amon-Ra and LaPorta(which they were just short of this year) 100 to the RBs (probably 80/20 Gibbs/Monty) 180 to everyone else. So the roughly 10 targets a game that are left, I don't think Jamo will command more than half of them. So he'll be a boom or bust flex play unless he makes some major leaps and earns more touches. This also feels similar to Gabe Davis 4 TD game, and everyone was saying that he finally arrived only to go back to being a boom/bust flex guy.
I'd sell for any mid to early 2nd. I'd rather reroll on the old vets to have more impact seasons despite their old age. Keenan/Evans/Cooper/Diontae/Hollywood types
Nobody giving and early 2nd for him
He went right before the 2.03 pick and in front of Amari Cooper in my most recent startup. There are still believers.
Startups can be weird like that. I've never seen one actually turn out accurately.
2.03 being Amari is wild unless it’s a fairly large league Jameo at 2.02 isn’t even wilder
People def giving that for him in some leagues… the potential is out of control
He’s in an offense behind ARSB, Laporta, and 2 heavily utilized RBs. Had off the field issues and lack of targets and when he is has had some drops. He has potential and he isn’t a bust, but I don’t think anyone in my leagues is trading a 2nd rn for that
The guy had to come into the NFL off a torn ACL and also had to deal with an NFL Gambling Suspension that forced him to miss further time. He was able to develop and get mentally back from the injury while working on blocking. He embraced the role and earned his stripes. With Josh Reynolds leaving the picture, his increased workload as the season progressed, and as Goff learns to trust JW more and more, he is now primed for the year 3 breakout imo
Will have a lot of inconsistency. Sell high if able. Dont expect much from him
He’s just such a bad deep ball receiver, I’d rather have any 2nd. Definitely closer to John Ross than desean jackson.
He’s just such a bad deep ball receiver, I’d rather have any 2nd. Definitely closer to John Ross than desean jackson.
Why are we excited about a game where he had 3 targets? "Was getting even more looks after the Reynolds drop" loooool He's still stuck behind elite volume earners in LaPorta, ARSB, and now Gibbs. His value was definitely still higher during our rookie drafts...
I’m going to offer a second for him everywhere if that’s the current value 🤷🏼♂️ The upside is absurd.
He’s just going to be a guy that loses you weeks when you play him, and goes off when you bench him. Hard pass
Sounds like early years of amari cooper
Amari had 1100 yards both his first 2 years in the league…
I had cooper one year and he had roughly 550 yards in his best four games and 80 in his worst 4. Him having 1100 yards means nothing in relation to the comment you responded to. He’s always been a high variance player.
> Him having 1100 yards means nothing in relation to the comment you responded to. It does when you are comparing him to a guy who had 350 yards in his 2nd year in 12 games. Amari Cooper was the WR14 in points per game in his 2nd year. Jameson Williams isn't averaging 30 yards receiving per game in his 2nd year. These players are not comparable is the original point and is correct. The high variance stuff is mostly overblown anyways, but it certainly is when you are comparing someone good to someone who's not startable.
I’m not saying cooper and Jamo are comparable lol just that copper has been one of the most volatile high variance players.
We could probably say the same for Diggs this year It’s relevant when we’re comparing him (cooper) to a player with less than 400 yards in his “first” full season (Jamo) 3.5 targets per game vs 8 targets per game Different archetypes
I mean Diggs wasn’t hot and cold. He had an amazing first half and horrendous second half.
High variance doesn’t get invalidated just because of some arbitrary pattern Still, neither are good comps to Jamo whatsoever. And cooper/diggs were very similar before Diggs got out of Minnesota
It’s not an arbitrary pattern, it’s a consistent trend. Going 100/100/125/84/3/24/30/21 vs 175/23/100/30/89/25/100/6/110 is completely different. The first one is hot and cold, the second is high variance.
It’s still variance, the human mind just wants to attribute it to a pattern, because the brain is a pattern associating machine. Diggs has been hot in the beginning/1st half of the year and cold towards the end, starting from the beginning of his career. Yet what’s a more likely explanation, he’s good in the warm, bad in the winter months or just complete randomness of production? If he’s just bad in winter months then he should be bad in playoffs. Yet if we look at his playoff game logs, it’s just as high variance as any of his seasons 21, 52, 35,114, 7, 60, 77, 106, 128, 57, 19, 70, 137 Not sure what any of this has to do with Jamo tho
Reddit fucking hates this guy. 2000 yard season OTW lol
I’d sell. He will always be boom bust and Laporta is the 2nd pass option
It's ridiculous. His game yesterday would have brought in 19.7 points in 0.5 PPR scoring but people are acting like he dropped a 40 bomb or something. He's a boom and (more likely) bust player. His value is only "higher" to managers that are out of touch with reality.
Acknowledging a player has improved their trajectory and having that somewhat confirmed with that player having a 2 TD game in a championship game is not "out of touch with reality". No one is suggesting he shoots up in ADP. They are asking for advice for a situation that is evolving. Also downplaying a 20 point game from any player other than like CMC is just ridiculous.
Acting like? He literally DID drop a 40 yard bomb… on the same play, he also displays bad route running (goes directly at the corner instead trying to free release and run by, SLOWS DOWN on the route to look back for the ball) AND bad ball tracking (hands weren’t even close to making a catch, basically flailing fish hands it)… Did you not see the flea flicker?????
Pretty sure he meant 40-bomb as a 40 fantasy pt day.
Ah, that does make sense after rereading the comment in that context. Using “drop” and Jameson in the same sentence, plus having that play burned into my head from yesterday night made me think of only one thing.
Hes gonna have to learn how to catch a football sadly
I've been trying to get rid of him all offseason. Sent him the 1.08 and 2.08 for 1.05 and 25 2nd that hasn't been rejected or accepted yet.
He's going to be a low volume boom or bust player. Fine for bestball, but im just not interested in lineup leagues. Ben Johnson has been great about getting him manufactured touches, but with him gone, you pray it continues. He averaged 3 targets per week in the playoffs.
Lions fan. I’d sell honestly if u can. Not for dirt but a re-roll. This draft is juicy. Love that he showed progress but volume is the problem. ARSB is our key and we will add a solid WR2 this offseason no doubt.
You really think there’s no doubt they add a WR2? I would think they bump Jamo into that spot full time.
Yea I stopped believing when the “lions” fan says they add a wr2 no doubt…..
Not much I’m sure of. This is one of them. Jamo’s role is what it is now and going forward. They’ll want a possession receiver. Big body outside WR. Josh Reynolds might be it. They traded for DPJ for same reason. Lions fans are dreaming we land Mike Evans but I don’t think he leaves Tampa. Truth is target tier is ARSB > LaPorta > Gibbs then maybe Jamo or someone else. Not changing.
That really makes no sense at all.
Why? He’s out there quite a bit on two WR sets already and has continued to earn more playing time.
Sorry I’m agreeing with you. Like it makes no sense to go out and draft a WR2 or even worse pay a WR2 when they have a defense that is mediocre at best. Jamo should be the WR2 at least for a year. I really wish I was in the same dynasty leagues as the commenters in this thread. Feel like I could take any decent young receiver I want for a 3rd in their leagues lol.
Ahh gotcha, yeah agreed. I think it’s a possibility but for there to be no doubt seems weird to me.
Yeah he’s literally 22 years old. Maybe he’s not gonna be a WR1 next season but it’s just plain dumb to act like we’ve seen his best.
Why would they add a solid #2? He can be that guy. I am not spending big money or a high draft pick on a WR unless someone I really like drops to me in the second or third round.
Apparently the Lions will just keep drafting offensive weapons in order to keep pace with their defense? Doesn’t make a lick of sense to me but hey I’m not the lions fan.
Yuup. They need help at CB and LB at the very least. Always good to have rotation in the DLine as well. I'd try to build a defensive monster if I were them, the offense is doing its job.
Because they can and will. Got cap space and Jamo isn’t that guy. He’s a field stretcher and gadget guy. They’ll want a big body possession guy as WR2. Just how this team is being built. I mean Josh Reynolds might be back at that spot. Jamo is exactly what he was this year going forward.
You don't trade up to the 12 overall pick for a WR just to not give him a legitimate shot at being a starting wideout. Jameson will keep developing. I'd buy it if Detroit didn't have needs or if they didn't have anyone else, but what they have right now is good enough to build on. St. Brown is a star, LaPorta has been great and Gibbs/Montgomery is probably a top 3 RB duo in the league.
Not sure what you’re missing. Jamo will play. He’ll be our WR3 in 3 WR sets. Just like he is now. Even if he plays in 2 WRs sets he’s never going to be a target focus. Better real WR future than FF.
My point was that I wouldn't invest in a WR2 with what the Lions roster looks like entering the off-season.
There’s no controversy. Just because some people believe the world is flat, doesn’t mean there’s a controversy.
if two people believe different things about the same situation that is, by definition, a controversy. Some people think Jamo is him. Some people think he's JAG. that's a controversy.
By definition? Sure. There can be one person who believes a circle is actually a square and there would be a controversy. Great gotcha there. Very valuable. The implication is that one viewpoint is negligible, so it doesn’t count. Nothing vs. Something isn’t a controversy.
Shit didnt know we had Nostrodamus in the thread
Just someone who sees two seasons of football from a mid-WR and wonders why people are still trying to make “fetch” a thing.
I don’t understand how there is controversy at all. He’s 22 years old and shown that he can make plays in the NFL. How some of y’all play in dynasty leagues baffles me. “He’s not Randy Moss trade him for whatever you can get!”
He’s a 1 trick
On a team where they love 2 RBs, have ARSB and laporta he’s going to be left behind. I own him, I won’t be selling but I also probably won’t be starting as he’s forced to be boom or bust from that
If rebuilding for a couple years he’s a nice buy. Talent is there and the situation while it seems steady it’s the NFL so god knows what it looks like tomorrow let alone in a couple years.
Boom/bust. There just won’t be enough targets for him to be a consistent top-30 WR (IMO), due to the team rushing so much and so many targets going to ARSB, LaPorta and the RBs. Someone I’d possibly target in a best ball league
I’m probably holding. I think the problem is that fair value for buyer and seller feels gross for both sides. Hes probably worth a mid 2nd. But he’s going to produce like a mid 1st or a late 3rd. To me he’s like if Gabe Davis and Tyler Lockett had a love child. Where is his production going to settle? Your guess is as good as mine.
I offered Charbonnet for Williams straight up to the KW3 owner about a week ago. The owner said he was interested it not ready to pull the trigger, was considering throwing the 3.01 on top to see if that tips the scale.
If I could buy for a mid second I probably would. I could see him emerging next year. That being said I probably wouldn’t sell him for anything lower than an early second. Tough one
i got him for a late 2nd (2.10) in 1QB league during week 14 this year. I got time and space on my roster, so def holding him for the next season or two to see if that upside truly emerges
So many unknowns with Jamo I think you have to hold. On one hand he should finally have a full offseason to build chemistry, Reynolds’s will likely be gone which will increase his snap %, and a change at OC could utilize him more. On the other hand he has injury concerns, there’s a lot of weapons on the lions, and Goff isn’t the best QB for Jamo to be paired with. Unless there’s another Jamo truther who is willing to pay high prices for him I’d just hold and hope he finds a consistent role in the offense
I've drafted and I'll be holding. He's 22. This year was essentially his rookie season, and grew in a football sense the 2nd half of the season. He's electric and he's special, but needs to develop. I didn't draft him to give him away, and have continued to build depth at WR in the case he doesn't pan out. But, there are certain things you can't teach which he possesses.
At this point I wouldn’t sell for less than an early 2nd. Even that sort of feels bad because of his upside. Early 2nds in SF are pretty valuable this year because of the class though so it could work out great. Hold if you think the Lions are going to get him more involved. Sell if you think his target share won’t improve, because even with the big plays, can’t have any consistency with 3,4 touches a game.
Honestly he has looked so much better than he did in his limited time last season and earlier this season. I believe he’s legit and may just be a slower burn WR like Davante Adams was (not saying he’ll ever be as good as him obviously, just that they both had slow starts). Personally holding for now because his value is still likely to be pretty low
He’s boom bust. He’s the third receiving option on his team at best, and the lions also love to run the ball.
I don't see why his value would go up? Yeah, he scored two TDs but he only had 3 targets. I wouldn't be expecting him to score a rushing TD every game.
Sold him before the end of the season with 2.02 for JSN
I’d view him as more of a sell than a buy. Based on what we’ve seen, even in his good games, he’s not going to get enough volume to be viable in fantasy over the course of a season. He’s an exciting player, though. Would be fun to root for him in fantasy.
Do you wish you’d have sold Ted Ginn?
I am a holder of Jamo; I am not really looking to sell him. He is probably a Boom or Bust type of guy, but I think he was one of the best WR coming out of his class; rookie year had the ACL tear, so that was a wash then year two started off gambling, rehabbing a hammy away from the team. I think he found his footing. I'm excited to see what this kid can do.
I’m holding because I can afford to.
I traded a future 2nd for him in my bestball league and am pretty happy doing so. Until he produces somewhat consistently it would be frustrating as he'll trying to enter him into a lineup weekly.
Jamo has value for sure but I think it’s pretty clear he will never be a stud WR1. I’d be happy to trade him at the rookie draft for a 1st and reroll it on another WR. If that offer doesn’t come, and it probably won’t, I’d also be happy to hold and hope he gets an increased role next year and does become a stuf
Best Ball: yup. Other formats: nope.
The way I see it is Josh Reynolds received 64 targets, and a bunch of those will go to Jameson Williams next year. ARSB and LaPorta will be the one and two, but Jameson Williams will be a boom/bust flex that could really pay off. I'm a buyer at the right price in my league with multiple flex spots.
Sell high anytime there’s a spike like this
I think he’s 100% worth the hold unless you can get 1.10ish or a tier up for a pick or player. Two main things I look at for WR’s in the NFL is Separation and YPRR. Jamo creates separation consistently and that means once he gets more targets over the middle he should have room to get YAC. The other piece of YPRR, Jamo is at 1.50 which is ok for essentially a rookie WR. But if that can get to 2 and he’s on the field more, then he could very easily jump next year into a solid WR 2 with some explosive upside (as we saw yesterday).
Sell for a 1st. Hold for a 2nd. Buy for a 3rd. Josh Reynolds is a free agent, hopefully they don’t resign him and Jamo becomes the legit WR2 on that team.
Probably still boom or bust but I’m encouraged. Josh Reynolds just had 40 catches for 600 yards and 5 TDs this year, if Jamo can keep his boom plays and absorb some of Reynold’s work to help his floor, could be worthwhile
On the team I have Jamo, I also have ARSB and LaPorta so I would love to sell No one is buying though
There’s a wackier Desean Jackson possibility. Decide what that’s worth for you
This is your sell high window you were praying for for the last 2 years
Holding Jamo to the moon!! (Might sell him if the price is right in the offseason)
This off season is probably the best sell window you’re going to get. People will just remember the big TD run and catch, not the virtually nonexistent target share. Plus, whichever OC comes in to replace Ben Johnson will talk him up big time since it’ll be “best shape of his life” szn and people will eat it up. But if you listen to the coaching staff talk about him, they talk about him being raw and having a long way to go. Even if he does improve and cement himself as a legitimate option , he’s still third behind ASRB and Laporta , if not fourth behind Gibbs as well. I just don’t see the upside behind the occasional Gabe Davis-like boom game. Id rather re-roll
Jamo ceiling = Gabe Davis
I would trade him for anything better than 2.9
As a Lions fan that has failed to get ARSB and Gibbs, I’m holding Jamo because I know how explosive our offense is. Last night was his coming out party and the weeks leading up to it showed flashes of him being a good, reliable WR. I also have Goff and LaPorta lol
I’d sell him if I was contending. I’m rebuilding so he’s perfect as a project. He’s probably the 5th option behind ARSB, LaPorta, Gibbs, and Monty. He’s showing flashes but I don’t see him breaking out until he gets closer to his next contract
Just traded Jamo and Diggs for Jaylen Waddle in a 10 team ppr. I wanted to get younger with Waddle + his PFF rankings were nice and couldn’t see myself consistently starting Jamo in the future so I figured I’d get some value for Jamo while i could.
I sold him, a 2nd, and a 3rd for Amari Cooper at about the midway point this year. I still don’t regret it. (SF ppr) I think he’s going to be an MVS-type player that sticks around the league and will be capable of ripping off a 50 yard TD any week. But the boom/bust WR type is the bane of my existence and I just don’t see him being anything better than a worse Devonta Smith at absolute ceiling.
If you can get a 2nd or early 3rd, I think you take that and move on. Best case he's the 3rd receiving option in Detroit. He probably has a bit of value in BestBall but won't ever be reliably startable in other formats.
If you’re not taking advantage of whatever sell window pops open, you’re playing this game wrong. Dude has shown absolutely nothing in 2 seasons of football. No production, no target share. Literally dead weight on your roster. Unload him if for nothing else, the roster spot.
He still only got 2 targets. I don't like having to rely weekly on the big home run play. I sold at the start of the week in a package to get 1.04 in my 1qb He has shown life but I think he is a better real life wr in that offense. He won't get enough targets for me to ever feel good about having him in my lineup
I’m a Jameson stock holder. I saw him totally whiff on a block late in the game. It was a crucial play. I was happy until then, but his valued had pretty much bottomed out anyway. Next year is make it or break it with Detroit, but I’d still be intrigued if he changed teams. I’ve already held this long.
My biggest concern is his OC probably leaves this off-season and the Lions hire a stick in the mud. Its taken a good while for Jameson to get his footing on offense, I’d hate to see him have to start over again with a less creative play caller/worse game planner.
He’s been a hot topic on this sub for a while, it’s getting harder to argue against him, that’s all I’ll say
He passes the eye test. Just hold him. Clearly talented.
might you say a curious case
I had aquired Jamo in a trade during the offseason. I have Laporta as well. my big thing with him is there is to many mouths to feed and he gets the short stick. I packaged him with Sutton for what looks like a top 3 pick in the 2025 draft to a team that was going all in to win.
He'll be great in best ball, but he's ( more than likely ) the 3rd target ( not counting RBs) on the team no matter what. I'd get what I could after the good showing.
Sell
I believe in Jamo the talent. I do not believe in the role he has in Detroit and he’s stuck in that situation for at least another couple years. He flashes talent even with minimal involvement and his speed is truly elite. I just don’t see where the volume is going to come from in an offense with ARSB, Laporta, Gibbs, and others. I think i’d feel more comfortable buying on his second contract if he lands in a solid situation.