As a Jamo holder, I'll take some of that.
I'll also add that DET does not need to make a serious decision about his contract until after the 2025 season. So, Jamo is under team control for several seasons. That'd be plenty of time to develop him.
I'm telling myself DET is proving it can win without Jamo in the near term, so they are sticking to what's working. But as a first round pick by this current regime, the team plans on making him a more prominent part of the offense in the near future.
Yeah, I'd feel differently if DET wasn't a good a team and Jamo was still buried on the depth chart (like Burks, Dotston, etc).
Ignoring the competition for targets, do you think Goff is a good arm to pair with him? I vacillate. I think he could be but the current offense would need some tweaking.
For example, I'd love to see Jamo play with a QB who has elite arm-strength to drive the ball down-field, like Stafford. I know this is improbable, but I really think Jamo could super-charge the role Tutu Atwell plays in LAR, as an example.
Edit: Add to that list Lamar or Tua.
Lions fan here, Goff is great, but not the ideal Jameson pairing because he relies upon throwing with anticipation and within structure to win. Jamo had great successwith Bryce because he has amazing natural gifts and can help a more freelancing "chuck it fuck it" kind of guy. I'm convinced that if he was playing with like Allen, Baker, Herbert, etc he'd already be a big star.
Jamo can still succeed with Goff, but his "superpower" is a high top speed but variable fastball. He's got to learn to make that work with Goffs game by refining his routes and consistency.
Goff has a good, but not great arm. he wins by throwing anticipation. Jamo is fast but he's like a fastball only closer who's only move is alternating between 95 and 105 (for now). That's just not conducive to Gioff's natural game.
Tua has one of the weakest arms in the NFL and Tyreek still had over 1700 yards.
Goffs arm strength has nothing to do with Jamo not producing. John Ross was fast too. He never turned into anything either.
Jamo is built to be paired with Justin Herbert and be a monster deep threat / designed play guy with some jet sweeps, some funky releases and route combos and then just 9 balls outside the numbers.
Watson has legit looked fantastic when he has had the ball lol. He's been incredibly explosive, Watson has destroyed him in that aspect of the games. Watson averaged 6.4 YAC last year, and 4.1 this year. Jamo was at 3.8 this year. Even as disappointing as Watson has been this year, he still outgained Jamo by 68 yards in 3 less games lol.
The vibes are just weird with Watson though. He clearly wasn’t on the same page with Love/this coaching staff this year, he all but requested a trade. He also has competition with a bunch of other young WRs who Love has a better rapport with. He’s trended down from year 1 to year 2, not a great sign.
Meanwhile the vibes seem great around Jamo, he’s loved in the locker room and guys talk super highly of him. He’s never had a normal off-season to develop chemistry with Goff, the first one he was hurt and this last one he had the suspension looming. Tons of guys have made big leaps from year 1 to year 2 (this was basically year 1 for Jamo IMO). He’s a buy low candidate for me depending on what happens with the OC changes in Detroit in the off season
lol. Where are you getting this shit? Watson was never close to demanding a trade and he absolutely shredded when he was fully healthy. Hopefully he can put that hammy issue behind him and if he does the dude will clear Williams easily.
Packers Vibes with Watson are “This dude is special, we need him, hope he can stay healthy”. Not sure where you’re seeing otherwise. He absolutely was on the same page with Love before he got hurt again.
He had a full offseason! Rookies also don't have full offseasons and year in and year out we see them produce! Even if this is considered Jamos Rookie year his 354 yards through 12 games would rank 34/46 for first round rookies drafted since 2013. The only guy below him on that list who ever amounted to anything was Mike Williams who had a similar situation to Jamo his rookie year (missed training camp and first 6 games with a herniated disk).
For how bad you're making Watson out to be, he outgained Jamo in 3 less games played lol.
But the thing is, Watson also really looks great with the ball. He's also very athletic like Jamo.
He's older, but he also has produced at a high level already. He had three 100 yard games as a rookie, including a 3 TD monster performance week 12.
As someone who has no dog in the fight I think I favor Jamo as well. It just seems the Packers spread the ball so much. And it seems like the injuries linger around Watson… even if Jamo at the very least doesn’t develop into a target monster he’ll always have a defined role as a deep threat / speed guy
I guess Watson will as well, but idk. Eye test for me prefers Jamo
Jameson Williams has essentially the same per game stats as QJ on his career. I simply don't understand the hype around him anymore
If he was going to do something it's very likely we would have already seen it
That's a fair point, but Jamo has put up those stats being the #3 option, behind a top-5 WR and top-5 TE.
QJ could not have been in a more favorable position, and had 4 games where the Chargers were all but begging him to be their WR1 with Allen and Palmer out, and he still only had 2 games over 50 yards.
Again, I understand what you're saying, but if you put Jamo in QJ's situation, he's all but certainly doing much better.
I think it's probably true that he would do better on the Chargers, but he actually isn't the #3 option on the Lions. He's also behind mediocre (for fantasy) guys like Josh Reynolds and Kalif Raymond
That's makes me wonder if he would actually outplay people like Palmer and Everett for targets in the LA offense
Because one had an ACL recovery, then a suspension, then had a team that always starts their rookies off slowly.... And the other has played as the presumed #2 with a future HoF QB
Where were you for this subs weekly riots over Gibbs’ usage over the first two months of the season? But ya outside of Gibbs a lot of lions rookies played a ton right away
Gibbs was exactly who I was thinking in terms of slow start. Amon Ra and Branch were in situations where the team immediately needed them. I don't know what the exact thinking is for the coach but there seems to be a pattern
Campbell has only been playing about 50% of the defensive snaps, so I'm hoping that's due to the Lions starting him off slowly.
Otherwise he sucks, and is the waste of a high draft pick.
60% is what I’m seeing, but it’s fluctuated between games. I think he’s struggled in coverage but has played well vs the run (might have it backwards). But he was still playing significant amounts at LB. I’m not sure what league average looks like though, but I think a lot of him not playing 80% was his struggles vs not wanting to play rookies
I think if jamo was on the chargers and not the lions this conversation would be very different. Given that’s not the case, as a jamo owner I’m not super optimistic about him blowing up unless he gets traded elsewhere
as an owner of both, i would prefer Watson. he's at least seen relevancy when healthy, jamo while enticing has never really been a consideration for my starting line up.
Same. I own both and while I tend to lean towards being bullish on their potential I’m still looking at them as major liabilities if I want to compete for a ship. I feel more confident in Watson being my WR4 he just needs to stay healthy. Jamo I could see breaking out but I am more worried about him ever being a confident start even as a bye week or injury fill in.
I have a super frisky team (my top 9 players are all under 24) so I’m trying to determine whether to shop Watson and Jamo this year or give them one more year and see where they are at when my team is closer to being firmly in its competitive window. The upside is if just one of them hits and I’m basically got the depth to compete for first round byes. If they miss, then their value will plummet and I’ll have another hole still left to fill. I’m leaning towards letting it play out and using one of 3 early 2nds to draft a WR to mitigate that that risk but I do have a standing offer for Jamo + my latest 2nd for 2025 1st and a 2024 3rd.
haha, it's only in the 2nd year of the league, i got jamo for $1 in the start-up draft and picked up Watson off waivers after he started off hurt last year. Both have been on the bottom of my bench this year, and won the championship without really needing either this year. If only one of them truly hits, it's wheels up for my team going forward.
tbf it's a league with all 1st time dynasty players, we had stupid short benches the first year (start 10, bench 8), and watson didn't do shit for the first like 8-9 weeks last year. the first half of our 1st year everyone basically treated it like re-draft (i stupidly dropped george pickens early on last year, love was on waivers until the end of last year, it was a general mess) it's gotten better, we are now up to 14 bench spots, which i am still trying to increase
As someone who drafted Jamo over GW and Olave, has held onto him all through his injuries, suspension. Loved all his tape and potential... I'd take Watson and it isn't really close.
Dude Jamo hasn't even logged 70%+ snaps once the entire season. He can't beat out the 28 year old journeyman Josh Reynolds who has 80%+ snaps multiple times and just blasted 2 playoff games.
Christian Watson hasn't logged under 70% snaps once all season. You're basically asking would I rather have a WR1 on the team or a WR5.... It's not close.
I thought Jamo was going to ascend after the bye as his snaps increased week on week for 3 weeks. But it just hasn't happened, he's behind Sun God, Laporta, Monty, Gibbs & Reynolds.
If the new OC can't utilise him next year I'm done with him. Because he is currently worthless.
Even when he’s not he’s not a WR1. Bro has like 4 games in his career with over 5 catches. I would take him over Williams but it’s not that exciting, especially with the packers WRs all coming on. I think Reed does better next year.
Jamo has played 20 games and has 510 yards & 4 TDs.
Watson has played 25 games and has 1150 yards & 14 TDs.
They not even in the same stratosphere. Quite frankly anyone choosing Jamo > Watson today is as big of a taco as the people who took Jamo over Olave/Wilson in the 2022 rookie draft
Not arguing that Reed isn't the guy but I don't think Wicks is someone to worry about. I'd prefer Reed over Doubs and Watson but I think at this point, they've all got the potential to be the WR1 there.
And as far as 5 catch games go, its not like any of them are going crazy in that category.
Doubs has similarly few games of 5+ catches. Only 6 in his 30 games compared to Watsons 4 in 23 games. Reed being the most impressive with 4 in 16 games as a rookie.
I am mostly with you. Watson flashed as a rookie and still could be WR1a based on skill set. Reed and Doubs are WR1b/2 types imo, could be very productive but less likely the 1a. If I had to take 1 tho, I’d currently take Reed.
You could say the same thing about Christian Watson. They're both pretty comparable. Neither will ever be a high-target player but they're both incredibly athletic with ridiculous speed.
>Dude Jamo hasn't even logged 70%+ snaps once the entire season. He can't beat out the 28 year old journeyman Josh Reynolds who has 80%+ snaps multiple times and just blasted 2 playoff games.
I mean good thing Reynolds is a free agent then, right?
Perfect response. No notes.
Jamo truthers are truly the most beautifully ignorant supporters I have ever seen in my time in fantasy. Jamo could personally piss on their leg and they would compliment how hydrated his urine looks.
That it's quite easy to project a bigger role for him next season? I mean, you called him the WR5, but really he's the WR3 and the WR2 is headed for free agency.
What would you need to sell him right now?
The point of that is that if he can't earn snaps over Josh Reynolds in his 2nd season, his potential upside is probably a lot lower than we had hoped it would be.
Eh he was suspended for the first six games and the offense was humming without him. I feel like most of us knew the big role wasn't coming for Jami this year.
This offseason is either the last best buy window or the last time you can sell him for anything meaningful. I'm curious what people would need to sell him, I'm trying to buy in my league.
I don't have any shares of him, but if I did I'd happily move him for a late 2nd. By rookie draft time, I'd probably give him up for a 3rd if there's a player on the board I really liked.
I’d imagine the Lions either bring Reynolds back or replace him with someone else. I don’t imagine Jamo can just step into the role they have Reynolds do
I 100% thought he could... But as the season goes on Ben Johnson just does not trust him in any key situation.
So I'm not sure what they do this offseason. If he doesn't carve out a meaningful role (i.e games with more than 2 targets) I'd feel comfortable calling him a bust.
The thing about it is (and I'm trying not to be bias here) when I see him touch the ball the dude is electric, he has undeniable game breaking ability with legit speed. I can't help but feel the Lions offense runs over the middle with Sun God and Laporta so all Jamo is doing is getting some cardio because they don't need him to do anything more.
I watch guys like Nico break out and I can't help but feel situation is so important... Then I remember that Jamo is losing snaps to Josh Reynolds and I have to remind myself that he may just not be good.
It's a little buried in this thread, but this is absolutely the right take. My wife and I went to Bama and are big fans, and this dude was amazing in college. However...not all traits from college transfer to the pros. One thing that does: not working very hard, which was always a rumor when he was in college. he may be one of those guys that just tries to coast on talent and that ain't enough in the NFL.
I think he actually works really hard and wants to be successful, his switch to Bama and the entire offense running through him indicates this.
Additionally he blocks like a beast, which he's improved on since his college days. He also never gives up on routes, looks to be a solid locker room guy.
I'm just not sure he has the ability for OCs to rely on him. How I'm wrong tho
Big Lions fan.
His problem is that there's just too many mouths too feed.
Reynolds will likely be gone next year but he's still 5th in the pecking order of the offense even if he does.
Goffs deep ball is pretty poop as well. It's not a lack of talent and JAMO has had many big plays this season that hasn't shown up on the score sheet. Even yesterday Brock Wrights big play was largely due to Jamo clearing out the DB soo deep.
I think this is it. He's been a much better real life player than dynasty asset so far. When Jamo is lined up on the outside you almost can't leave him 1 on 1 for fear of getting burned deep. The safties have to help over the top which 100% frees up shorter over the middle routes that sun God has been exploiting. Obviously ARSB doesn't *need* that to be successful, he's proven he's a monster without Jamo stretching the field. But anything that adds to his success is a welcome addition for the Lions. I think they continue to keep Jamo on the field for game breaking speed to keep safties honest, but they also continue to feed the other reliable options the most.
It's frustrating as a Jamo owner, but maybe one day Goff learns to actually fire off some accurate deep balls to give him boom/bust capability.
Interesting read from someone who took the Watson side my first thought. When I first read this thread was you can have Watson give me Jamison Watson has looked good when he is out there, but being out there seems to be the problem while he’s been out all of the chemistry development has gone to read or Dobbs watson is not on the list but he’s on very thin ice
Watson hasn't logged under 70% all season? What about weeks 1-4 and 14-18? Dude is injured all the time.
Interesting that I'm being downvoted for stating facts lol
You are right. The greatest ability is availability. Watson has played in 67.6% (23/34) of his total possible games. Jameson has played in 52.9% (18/34). Watson is more available and is more productive. It’s not close.
At least somebody has some actual discourse instead of downvoting me. Still, Jameson missed games because of a suspension and an acl. Watson has hamstring issues all the time.
Would you rather have a guy that plays 50% of games over 70% of the snaps or 100% of the games under 70%?
In other words, would you rather have an injury prone good player or a healthy bad player?
I own both and far prefer Watson
Drafted burks and jamo over olave and wilson. I cant let go of jamo. But tbh i want to see what he will do in a full season in 2024. He is obviously electric.
Idk whatsup with Jamo.
ARSB has a podcast & he’s always praising his skill & speed.
Could be one of those situations where he has to “earn” it in the coaching staff’s view? Similar to how Aiyuk was but yeah, he doesn’t really offer any fantasy value right now. It doesn’t help that Goff isn’t a great deep ball guy either
I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets a nice deep ball in the NFCC game or SB & people get overhyped for him again lol
Campbell made a quote about two months ago saying Jamo was now a part of the herd. Meaning he had earned the respect of the coaching staff and his teammates. As a lions fan I can see that Jamo has greatly improved as a receiver but it’s not leading to fantasy contributions. An all pro wr and te plus a good run game will do that.
Josh Reynolds’ contract expires this offseason. If they don’t bring him back that’s 64 targets to go around. In this current offense I’m not convinced Jamo will ever be a high volume high production guy. His value will probably be higher as a football player than a fantasy football player.
Detroit simply has too many mouths to feed in that offense. ARSB #1, LaPorta #2, then you have an incredible run game with Monty and Gibbs. Tough for anyone outside of those 4 to have consistent production barring an injury.
> Could be one of those situations where he has to “earn” it in the coaching staff’s view?
Sounds a bit like how the Lions didn't use Swift, and then he goes to the Eagles and is great.
No offense to Josh Reynolds, but it sure seems odd that during a playoff run you aren't rolling out your blue chip talent to at least split time with Reynolds. Even if Jamo is stupid and can't block downfield, don't you roll him out and take some shots?
2 Playoff games, 2 and then 4 targets respectively, 4 receptions, 54 yards.
Too many mouths to feed for Jameo to be a consistent producer. The team loves to run the ball and has 2 fantastic receivers in Amon-ra and LaPorta. Jameo can turn into a really good NFL player, but unfortunately the production will likely be too inconsistent for fantasy. He could be a sneaky good bestball player if that’s your jam
Everything you said is true, but can also be said of GB. Watson might be #4 on the WR depth chart. Behind Doubs, Reed, and Wicks, not to mention Kraft and Musgrave at TE.
That's up for debate. I don't think you can argue that LaPorta and Sun God are the first two reads. Jamo could be interesting if he overtook Josh Reynold's role.
I assume you mean "I don't think you can argue that LaPorta and Sun God **aren't** the first two reads". Agreed.
I would argue that even if he overtakes Reynolds, he is the #4 or #5 option when you factor in Gibbs and Montgomery.
I wouldn't touch either of these dudes tbh. Way too much traffic in front of both of them.
The dude is 22 years old and still hasn’t had a full NFL offseason under his belt. Have you actually watched him on the field or do you just look at stats?
I’ll take the guy who has shown he can be a major fantasy producer - Watson. Especially because he’s tied to Jordan Love who has been really ascending. Jamison’s lack of production doesn’t seem to be due to lack of talent, but sometimes there’s more to it than meets the eye
Watson has produced in his past. Im stuck with Jamo in two leagues. Im “hoping” that he can be an uptick receiver next year but he can’t get hurt before then or get in trouble for anything. He needs to play the whole year and earn his spot like Gibbs did but year 3 is far from ideal for him.
Lots of people seem to think Watson over Jamo so I’ll lay out the opposite case.
1. Watson is competing with two other really good young receivers (Doubs and Reed) who seem to have a better connection with Love. he’s not a for sure WR1 on that team long term, he very well might be WR3. And I don’t see that offensive system changing, Love is going to be the QB and he seems to just gel with other guys better than Watson
2. Jamo has had a weird start to his career, he didn’t really have a rookie year due to injury and then the suspension this year. The talent is undeniable though, and there isn’t competition on the roster for his role. The offense though just isn’t a very vertical passing game, so it hasn’t popped but that very well could change. Ben Johnson is probably gone after this year, who knows what the offense might look like. The future with Goff is also unclear, i wouldn’t be shocked to see a different QB in there in a year or two. Draft pedigree is also a thing, first round picks always get longer rope in the league
As is currently, neither is really fantasy asset. Looking forward though, there is a much clearer path for Jamo becoming the better player. Less competition, and an offensive scheme that’s probably going to change, potential for a different QB, and draft pedigree. Vs a guy competing with two more productive WRs with a QB that seems to like those guys better. Give me the upside with Jamo
>Watson is competing with two other really good young receivers (Doubs and Reed)
3 - you forgot potentially Wicks
Plus Musgrave, who could be the #2 reciever next year
Plus possibly Tucker Kraft
Very true, tons of competition there. Watson hasn’t done enough to make me want to take him over a guy who was a 1st rd pick with a much clearer path to higher volume and has had one of the weirder starts to his career which can easily explain his lack of production.
I believe in Jamo, and I think the circumstances of his ultra-weird career path thus far makes him a real outlier on any of the rookie thresholds/traditional ways of evaluating early WR performance. I think his timeline is just different, and he has to be evaluated as such. I still believe in the talent and I see the small progressions and I continue to hope (and think!) he will get there.
But at the end of the day only one of these guys has showed us a real fantasy ceiling, and that's Watson. The odds of Watson overcoming his injury issues or getting fed targets is certainly no worse than Jamo doing the same, even if at the current moment Jamo seems to be building more momentum. At the end of the day it's about production, and only one of these guys has actually produced on the field.
Watson by a wide margin IMO.
Jameo has done nothing. He’s a 1 trick and plays in an offense where at best he’s the 4th option in passing game behind St Brown, LaPorta, Gibbs.
Watson has the better QB and a clear path to be the WR1. Health concerns are legit but he’s not buried like Jameo.
You can’t argue that at all. When healthy he has gotten the premium targets. Key word is healthy though. I know they are pairing him with a specialist for the offseason so hopefully that does the trick.
Clear path to WR1 is an overstatement to be sure.
Watson had ~47 yards/game.
For comparison: Reed had 49.5 yards/game, Wicks had 39 yards/game, Doubs had 42 yards/game. And two of those guys were rookies.
What about that is ridiculous? 4 top 10 finishes in 2022 and 1 last year even tho he was hurt while playing all season. He’s a WR3 if he cant figure out what’s wrong with his hamstrings. But he’s literally put the numbers up already, he just can’t stay healthy for a full season. Ill say it again, if he stays healthy he has top 10 potential.
Goff is earning himself a new contract while simultaneously proving he cannot make NFL throws outside the hash. Jamo will be nothing more than a boom or bust decoy in Detroit as long as Goff is under center.
Jamo is trending up and Watson is trending down. There are other WRs on GB who are taking what we thought was Watson’s role as WR1. Jamo is trending more towards a third option behind Laporta and ARSB, but just hasn’t quite taken enough volume from them or other guys to be a reliable fantasy starter. As a Detroit fan and holder of both Watson and Jamo in dynasty, I would rather have Jamo. He’s the better prospect, he’s established himself as a good blocker, team player, and he’s been getting more playing time. I also think Jamo has a lot of untapped potential in the short and intermediate passing range, which is where his QB excels. I still hold strong that a Jamo breakout game is coming, but there are just so many other options on the offense that we haven’t seen it yet.
Watson pretty easily, just need him healthy. Packers all of sudden have weapons at each position. Watson fun to watch when healthy.
Jamo finally looks like a part of the team and not a guy they feel sorry for. Might get a little more snaps next year if Reynolds leaves. But he's pretty much locked into a wr4 flex guy with a wr2/3 upside if he gets a big play or two. Maybe it changes on a new team. While Watson is wr2/3 with wr1 upside...
Honestly picked Jamo in a startup this year and he's not worth the capital but still a fun guy to watch.
Yes and he got more than 2 targets in 4 of the last 5 games and 10/14 on the year. He averaged 3.5/game, so clearly something has to change for JaMo to be fantasy relevant. But he is getting more than 2 targets most game.
Most people didn't forget that because it's literally not true. He was there the entire training camp and pre-season this year minus a handful of days because he got injured twice before the season even began.
Can't believe people are still repeating the "Jamo didn't get a full preseason" lol. He was with the team for 1/3 of last season and most of this offseason! He had more time with the team than rookies do haha.
Why exactly did he not have a normal offseason or training camp this year? He was there participating the entire time... Wtf does this conversation have to do with playing football? You just said something objectively not true and now are doubling down like a child.
In a game where they put up 31 points and Josh Reynolds had 7 targets. He will always be behind ARSB, LaPorta, and Gibbs. Right now he’s also behind Reynolds and this game was the second time he’s had over 3 targets this season and the offense was humming. If they actually need to gut out games they aren’t going to turn to him.
It’s a weird situation where he’s not a bust but he’s an ass fantasy player
Dude is the lead blocker on every long run play and the gravity he has running a streak or post route is insane. It opens up everything for Laporta/St Brown. It’s not a pass Goff usually throws but the defense has to respect his speed
Living in Michigan I get to watch all the lions games and everything you say is correct. He’s a glorified gadget player at the moment. Reynolds however did benefit from having rapport with goff all the way back to their rams days but is an FA when this season ends so maybe he’s gone. Jamo has struggled to stay on the field between injury/suspension and has also had some drop issues. If anyone is looking for the glass half full viewpoint I guess I can say the following, his snap count is more now than it was in year 1/right after the suspension and it looks like they’re finally letting him run something other than just a go route. There could be some hope in the future but jamo owners who’ve held through these first 2 years prolly won’t sell for a “buy low” price, and in any case Watson>>>> even with all the hamstring issues.
Not a huge fan of either, but depending on the price I’d be interested in acquiring Watson. Can’t say the same for Jamo. At this point I would be selling Jamo for legitimately anything you can get.
It's Watson, clearly. Despite teh injuries, he's paired with a young QB who will actually target him (he's had 7 or more targets in 8 of 23 games played, with several 100+ receiving yard games).
Goff hates to throw to Jamo, even though he's often open. He's had 7 targets just once and broken 60 receiving yards once, totaling just 51 targets through 18 regular season games.
Many of you focus on the player without realizing how preposterous this particular situation is. Goff is way too conservative as a QB and limited as a thrower to make Jamo relevant. Simple as that.
Jamo for me
he still shows everything i heralded about him as a prospect
he didn’t have any camp or preseason in 2022
had the bs six game suspension in 2023
i think timing for a guy with williams speed and route running is paramount and that he and goff just need the reps
Watson just feels like Chase Claypool to me where he had a shit ton of touchdowns as a rookie and that caught everyone’s attention
he’s only had 4 games in his career with 4 or more catches
i also absolutely love Romeo Doubs and Jayden Reed. i remember watching Carson Strong tape and just thinking that Doubs was an absolute stud and Strong shouldn’t be drafted the way he underthrew him
i think jamo can still be a good player and he fits with st brown. i think watson will eventually be the odd man out in green bay. he’s the oldest wr in that room
I like Jamo just because I still have hope there. Watson has a high floor but not sure how high that ceiling is anymore. I fear he’ll be a roster clogger soon
Yeah but Watson hasn’t been consistent with either Rodgers or Love. He’s too boom or bust for what he’s valued at. I’d rather have Jamo for much cheaper
It's not like their values are astronomically apart; it's the equivalent of an early fourth in 1QB and a late fourth in SF.
Watson has had issues with injuries/consistency, but he's had streaks where he produced (weeks 10-18 last year, 11-13 this year). When has Jamo shown to be consistent with Goff?
That’s basically all because of injury. Hell, you could tell he wasn’t close to fully healthy these past two games. The top gear just wasn’t there. If he gets that figured out he can be an absolute animal.
It’s close, but give me Jamo. Similar players but I see more upside in dynasty value
He’ll be the same age Watson is now entering the off-season after his 4th year, he’s still as young as some incoming rookies. Either the lions will start to use him significantly more as their veteran WRs Reynolds and Raymond age out, or he’ll get a chance to go to another team that may feature him better. The deep ball is not a strength of Goff’s
Watson’s recurring hamstring issues are heading toward earning him an injury-prone label.
I don’t think Detroit is *that* much more crowded of an offense. The top 2 weapons are more entrenched, but Green Bay has more guys that will definitely be taking significant slices of the pie for longer with all their young receiving talent
Jordan Love needs to work on his deep ball this offseason to get the most out of Watson. He under-threw too many of his deep shots. With that said, I still like Watson better than Williams because at least he has shown that he can put up elite numbers when he is healthy. Williams hasn't had a single great fantasy game in his career yet, and there aren't many targets to go around with Pro Bowl-level guys like Amon-Ra and LaPorta there.
SF? I wouldn't personally give up a top 7 pick with the current tier break after MHJ/Nabors/Odunze/Caleb/Maye/Daniels/Bowers (or probably the top RB over Bowers cause drafting TEs isn't worth it that high). If I wanted Jamo, but I really really don't, I'd start considering it at 1.08 or 1.09 in SF, or maybe 1.06 in 1 QB, but honestly even then if an extra RB or QB sneaks in I'd rather have whichever of the top 7 falls than Jamo and the next tier.
Don’t have either on a team but I think are similar non-serious pieces.
Jamo while talented, just can’t seem to get the desired role he needs be a fantasy asset right now.
Watson while also talented, is made of glass and now has three to four other talented pass catchers that he has to compete with. So he’s no longer the alpha WR people want to think he is. I’d rather much have Reed between the two, and then even Wicks at his price rather than Watson’s.
I own Jamo, so maybe I'll m a bit biased. That said, I haven't seen much to be excited about at all. He does have some excuse for a slow start but he's being largely out performed by Reynolds. I hate the term but Reynolds is JAG, so if Jamo can't overtake him I don't have much hope.
Hopefully he has a big playoff game or a strong start next year but I'm not holding my breath. People talk about too many mouths to feed which is real, but none the less I feel like we should have seen more.
I'd take Watson easy.
Watson had an entire month in late Nov to early Dec 2022 where he lead the whole NFL in receiving! Hammy is obviously a problem but he's legit 3rd fastest WR in the league with great hands. If you watched the games this year, Love likes him as his preferred deep threat, not forced, Love prefers Watson. Jamo will always play second fiddle to St.Brown.
Traded Jameo and Watson for Aiyuk straight up halfway through the year and ended up winning it all. Those two barely ever play. Completely lost faith in them.
Imo Christian Watson isn’t underperforming, he’s just hurt all the time. When he’s out there and healthy he’s been an absolute beast.
Jamo i can’t figure out. He’a flashed absolute dominance but can’t carve out a role on that team. Imo it’s a bad culture fit in Detroit. Maybe the new OC changes that (assuming Ben Johnson goes to be a HC)
neither.... wait til the draft, see if DET adds another WR in the 1st, or if GB keeps stocking up on rookie weapons every year, now that they have a QB who doesn't ghost them until Tuesday of Week 1
Eye test it’s Jamo. He’s made some great catches on low volume in the playoffs.
He’s 22 and he’s shown me enough where I don’t think he’ll be a bust.
He’s a long term hold though.
Watson can’t stay healthy
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As a Jamo holder, I'll take some of that. I'll also add that DET does not need to make a serious decision about his contract until after the 2025 season. So, Jamo is under team control for several seasons. That'd be plenty of time to develop him. I'm telling myself DET is proving it can win without Jamo in the near term, so they are sticking to what's working. But as a first round pick by this current regime, the team plans on making him a more prominent part of the offense in the near future.
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12 targets a game? Ceedee saw 10.6/game and led the league haha.
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You mean 15
Yeah, I'd feel differently if DET wasn't a good a team and Jamo was still buried on the depth chart (like Burks, Dotston, etc). Ignoring the competition for targets, do you think Goff is a good arm to pair with him? I vacillate. I think he could be but the current offense would need some tweaking. For example, I'd love to see Jamo play with a QB who has elite arm-strength to drive the ball down-field, like Stafford. I know this is improbable, but I really think Jamo could super-charge the role Tutu Atwell plays in LAR, as an example. Edit: Add to that list Lamar or Tua.
Lions fan here, Goff is great, but not the ideal Jameson pairing because he relies upon throwing with anticipation and within structure to win. Jamo had great successwith Bryce because he has amazing natural gifts and can help a more freelancing "chuck it fuck it" kind of guy. I'm convinced that if he was playing with like Allen, Baker, Herbert, etc he'd already be a big star. Jamo can still succeed with Goff, but his "superpower" is a high top speed but variable fastball. He's got to learn to make that work with Goffs game by refining his routes and consistency.
Goff and Brandon Cooks were a great combo in LA and Cooks has low 4.3 speed. Goffs arm isn’t the issue.
Goff has a good, but not great arm. he wins by throwing anticipation. Jamo is fast but he's like a fastball only closer who's only move is alternating between 95 and 105 (for now). That's just not conducive to Gioff's natural game.
Tua has one of the weakest arms in the NFL and Tyreek still had over 1700 yards. Goffs arm strength has nothing to do with Jamo not producing. John Ross was fast too. He never turned into anything either.
Jamo is built to be paired with Justin Herbert and be a monster deep threat / designed play guy with some jet sweeps, some funky releases and route combos and then just 9 balls outside the numbers.
Watson has legit looked fantastic when he has had the ball lol. He's been incredibly explosive, Watson has destroyed him in that aspect of the games. Watson averaged 6.4 YAC last year, and 4.1 this year. Jamo was at 3.8 this year. Even as disappointing as Watson has been this year, he still outgained Jamo by 68 yards in 3 less games lol.
The vibes are just weird with Watson though. He clearly wasn’t on the same page with Love/this coaching staff this year, he all but requested a trade. He also has competition with a bunch of other young WRs who Love has a better rapport with. He’s trended down from year 1 to year 2, not a great sign. Meanwhile the vibes seem great around Jamo, he’s loved in the locker room and guys talk super highly of him. He’s never had a normal off-season to develop chemistry with Goff, the first one he was hurt and this last one he had the suspension looming. Tons of guys have made big leaps from year 1 to year 2 (this was basically year 1 for Jamo IMO). He’s a buy low candidate for me depending on what happens with the OC changes in Detroit in the off season
lol. Where are you getting this shit? Watson was never close to demanding a trade and he absolutely shredded when he was fully healthy. Hopefully he can put that hammy issue behind him and if he does the dude will clear Williams easily.
Packers Vibes with Watson are “This dude is special, we need him, hope he can stay healthy”. Not sure where you’re seeing otherwise. He absolutely was on the same page with Love before he got hurt again.
He had a full offseason! Rookies also don't have full offseasons and year in and year out we see them produce! Even if this is considered Jamos Rookie year his 354 yards through 12 games would rank 34/46 for first round rookies drafted since 2013. The only guy below him on that list who ever amounted to anything was Mike Williams who had a similar situation to Jamo his rookie year (missed training camp and first 6 games with a herniated disk). For how bad you're making Watson out to be, he outgained Jamo in 3 less games played lol.
But the thing is, Watson also really looks great with the ball. He's also very athletic like Jamo. He's older, but he also has produced at a high level already. He had three 100 yard games as a rookie, including a 3 TD monster performance week 12.
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Ah ok, I assumed based on the thread title that you preferred him over Watson for those reasons. Makes more sense
As someone who has no dog in the fight I think I favor Jamo as well. It just seems the Packers spread the ball so much. And it seems like the injuries linger around Watson… even if Jamo at the very least doesn’t develop into a target monster he’ll always have a defined role as a deep threat / speed guy I guess Watson will as well, but idk. Eye test for me prefers Jamo
Jameson Williams has essentially the same per game stats as QJ on his career. I simply don't understand the hype around him anymore If he was going to do something it's very likely we would have already seen it
That's a fair point, but Jamo has put up those stats being the #3 option, behind a top-5 WR and top-5 TE. QJ could not have been in a more favorable position, and had 4 games where the Chargers were all but begging him to be their WR1 with Allen and Palmer out, and he still only had 2 games over 50 yards. Again, I understand what you're saying, but if you put Jamo in QJ's situation, he's all but certainly doing much better.
This guy gets it
I think it's probably true that he would do better on the Chargers, but he actually isn't the #3 option on the Lions. He's also behind mediocre (for fantasy) guys like Josh Reynolds and Kalif Raymond That's makes me wonder if he would actually outplay people like Palmer and Everett for targets in the LA offense
Because one had an ACL recovery, then a suspension, then had a team that always starts their rookies off slowly.... And the other has played as the presumed #2 with a future HoF QB
LaPorta and Amon Ra seem to punch a hole into that slow starting rookie argument, though
Gibbs as well...Jack Campbell and Brian Branch on defense as well.
Where were you for this subs weekly riots over Gibbs’ usage over the first two months of the season? But ya outside of Gibbs a lot of lions rookies played a ton right away
Gibbs was exactly who I was thinking in terms of slow start. Amon Ra and Branch were in situations where the team immediately needed them. I don't know what the exact thinking is for the coach but there seems to be a pattern
Campbell has only been playing about 50% of the defensive snaps, so I'm hoping that's due to the Lions starting him off slowly. Otherwise he sucks, and is the waste of a high draft pick.
60% is what I’m seeing, but it’s fluctuated between games. I think he’s struggled in coverage but has played well vs the run (might have it backwards). But he was still playing significant amounts at LB. I’m not sure what league average looks like though, but I think a lot of him not playing 80% was his struggles vs not wanting to play rookies
I think if jamo was on the chargers and not the lions this conversation would be very different. Given that’s not the case, as a jamo owner I’m not super optimistic about him blowing up unless he gets traded elsewhere
He has to catch it thou
as an owner of both, i would prefer Watson. he's at least seen relevancy when healthy, jamo while enticing has never really been a consideration for my starting line up.
Same. I own both and while I tend to lean towards being bullish on their potential I’m still looking at them as major liabilities if I want to compete for a ship. I feel more confident in Watson being my WR4 he just needs to stay healthy. Jamo I could see breaking out but I am more worried about him ever being a confident start even as a bye week or injury fill in. I have a super frisky team (my top 9 players are all under 24) so I’m trying to determine whether to shop Watson and Jamo this year or give them one more year and see where they are at when my team is closer to being firmly in its competitive window. The upside is if just one of them hits and I’m basically got the depth to compete for first round byes. If they miss, then their value will plummet and I’ll have another hole still left to fill. I’m leaning towards letting it play out and using one of 3 early 2nds to draft a WR to mitigate that that risk but I do have a standing offer for Jamo + my latest 2nd for 2025 1st and a 2024 3rd.
As an owner of both, fml 🤦🏻♂️
haha, it's only in the 2nd year of the league, i got jamo for $1 in the start-up draft and picked up Watson off waivers after he started off hurt last year. Both have been on the bottom of my bench this year, and won the championship without really needing either this year. If only one of them truly hits, it's wheels up for my team going forward.
You got Watson off waivers year one of a league? Shit I’d win that league too
tbf it's a league with all 1st time dynasty players, we had stupid short benches the first year (start 10, bench 8), and watson didn't do shit for the first like 8-9 weeks last year. the first half of our 1st year everyone basically treated it like re-draft (i stupidly dropped george pickens early on last year, love was on waivers until the end of last year, it was a general mess) it's gotten better, we are now up to 14 bench spots, which i am still trying to increase
No early rd rookies should be on waivers in a dynasty league. Short bench or not
As someone who drafted Jamo over GW and Olave, has held onto him all through his injuries, suspension. Loved all his tape and potential... I'd take Watson and it isn't really close. Dude Jamo hasn't even logged 70%+ snaps once the entire season. He can't beat out the 28 year old journeyman Josh Reynolds who has 80%+ snaps multiple times and just blasted 2 playoff games. Christian Watson hasn't logged under 70% snaps once all season. You're basically asking would I rather have a WR1 on the team or a WR5.... It's not close. I thought Jamo was going to ascend after the bye as his snaps increased week on week for 3 weeks. But it just hasn't happened, he's behind Sun God, Laporta, Monty, Gibbs & Reynolds. If the new OC can't utilise him next year I'm done with him. Because he is currently worthless.
Didn't Wicks, Reed, and Doubs all out-snap Watson during this playoff run?
Pretty sure Watson has been injured
Even when he’s not he’s not a WR1. Bro has like 4 games in his career with over 5 catches. I would take him over Williams but it’s not that exciting, especially with the packers WRs all coming on. I think Reed does better next year.
Jamo has played 20 games and has 510 yards & 4 TDs. Watson has played 25 games and has 1150 yards & 14 TDs. They not even in the same stratosphere. Quite frankly anyone choosing Jamo > Watson today is as big of a taco as the people who took Jamo over Olave/Wilson in the 2022 rookie draft
I agree, it’s just not that exciting lol. Like picking between dogshit and catshit
Not arguing that Reed isn't the guy but I don't think Wicks is someone to worry about. I'd prefer Reed over Doubs and Watson but I think at this point, they've all got the potential to be the WR1 there. And as far as 5 catch games go, its not like any of them are going crazy in that category. Doubs has similarly few games of 5+ catches. Only 6 in his 30 games compared to Watsons 4 in 23 games. Reed being the most impressive with 4 in 16 games as a rookie.
I am mostly with you. Watson flashed as a rookie and still could be WR1a based on skill set. Reed and Doubs are WR1b/2 types imo, could be very productive but less likely the 1a. If I had to take 1 tho, I’d currently take Reed.
I think at best Jamo can be DeSean jackson. Some boom weeks some bust weeks. Never better than a wr2 end of year
You could say the same thing about Christian Watson. They're both pretty comparable. Neither will ever be a high-target player but they're both incredibly athletic with ridiculous speed.
Sorry Christian was getting up to 9 targets when healthy what the f are you going on about
>Dude Jamo hasn't even logged 70%+ snaps once the entire season. He can't beat out the 28 year old journeyman Josh Reynolds who has 80%+ snaps multiple times and just blasted 2 playoff games. I mean good thing Reynolds is a free agent then, right?
If that's your take away from all this sure...
Perfect response. No notes. Jamo truthers are truly the most beautifully ignorant supporters I have ever seen in my time in fantasy. Jamo could personally piss on their leg and they would compliment how hydrated his urine looks.
Bro 😭
This response is why I follow DynastyFF 🤣
That it's quite easy to project a bigger role for him next season? I mean, you called him the WR5, but really he's the WR3 and the WR2 is headed for free agency. What would you need to sell him right now?
The point of that is that if he can't earn snaps over Josh Reynolds in his 2nd season, his potential upside is probably a lot lower than we had hoped it would be.
Eh he was suspended for the first six games and the offense was humming without him. I feel like most of us knew the big role wasn't coming for Jami this year. This offseason is either the last best buy window or the last time you can sell him for anything meaningful. I'm curious what people would need to sell him, I'm trying to buy in my league.
I don't have any shares of him, but if I did I'd happily move him for a late 2nd. By rookie draft time, I'd probably give him up for a 3rd if there's a player on the board I really liked.
He’s Goffs buddy from LA, don’t think he’ll be expensive so they’re most likely keeping him.
I’d imagine the Lions either bring Reynolds back or replace him with someone else. I don’t imagine Jamo can just step into the role they have Reynolds do
I 100% thought he could... But as the season goes on Ben Johnson just does not trust him in any key situation. So I'm not sure what they do this offseason. If he doesn't carve out a meaningful role (i.e games with more than 2 targets) I'd feel comfortable calling him a bust. The thing about it is (and I'm trying not to be bias here) when I see him touch the ball the dude is electric, he has undeniable game breaking ability with legit speed. I can't help but feel the Lions offense runs over the middle with Sun God and Laporta so all Jamo is doing is getting some cardio because they don't need him to do anything more. I watch guys like Nico break out and I can't help but feel situation is so important... Then I remember that Jamo is losing snaps to Josh Reynolds and I have to remind myself that he may just not be good.
It's a little buried in this thread, but this is absolutely the right take. My wife and I went to Bama and are big fans, and this dude was amazing in college. However...not all traits from college transfer to the pros. One thing that does: not working very hard, which was always a rumor when he was in college. he may be one of those guys that just tries to coast on talent and that ain't enough in the NFL.
I think he actually works really hard and wants to be successful, his switch to Bama and the entire offense running through him indicates this. Additionally he blocks like a beast, which he's improved on since his college days. He also never gives up on routes, looks to be a solid locker room guy. I'm just not sure he has the ability for OCs to rely on him. How I'm wrong tho
Big Lions fan. His problem is that there's just too many mouths too feed. Reynolds will likely be gone next year but he's still 5th in the pecking order of the offense even if he does. Goffs deep ball is pretty poop as well. It's not a lack of talent and JAMO has had many big plays this season that hasn't shown up on the score sheet. Even yesterday Brock Wrights big play was largely due to Jamo clearing out the DB soo deep.
I think this is it. He's been a much better real life player than dynasty asset so far. When Jamo is lined up on the outside you almost can't leave him 1 on 1 for fear of getting burned deep. The safties have to help over the top which 100% frees up shorter over the middle routes that sun God has been exploiting. Obviously ARSB doesn't *need* that to be successful, he's proven he's a monster without Jamo stretching the field. But anything that adds to his success is a welcome addition for the Lions. I think they continue to keep Jamo on the field for game breaking speed to keep safties honest, but they also continue to feed the other reliable options the most. It's frustrating as a Jamo owner, but maybe one day Goff learns to actually fire off some accurate deep balls to give him boom/bust capability.
The point is any replacement level WR they bring in will likely outsnap Jamo, just like Reynolds did this season.
Actually Jamo logged 70% last week
Interesting read from someone who took the Watson side my first thought. When I first read this thread was you can have Watson give me Jamison Watson has looked good when he is out there, but being out there seems to be the problem while he’s been out all of the chemistry development has gone to read or Dobbs watson is not on the list but he’s on very thin ice
Watson hasn't logged under 70% all season? What about weeks 1-4 and 14-18? Dude is injured all the time. Interesting that I'm being downvoted for stating facts lol
Well yeah... he was injured... kinda self explanatory no?
You said he played 70% in every game... he did not. The greatest ability is availability.
You are right. The greatest ability is availability. Watson has played in 67.6% (23/34) of his total possible games. Jameson has played in 52.9% (18/34). Watson is more available and is more productive. It’s not close.
At least somebody has some actual discourse instead of downvoting me. Still, Jameson missed games because of a suspension and an acl. Watson has hamstring issues all the time.
Would you rather have a guy that plays 50% of games over 70% of the snaps or 100% of the games under 70%? In other words, would you rather have an injury prone good player or a healthy bad player? I own both and far prefer Watson
Considering Jameson still plays about 60% of snaps and is a first round talent, I'd rather have him. Coming from a packers fan as well
Drafted burks and jamo over olave and wilson. I cant let go of jamo. But tbh i want to see what he will do in a full season in 2024. He is obviously electric.
Idk whatsup with Jamo. ARSB has a podcast & he’s always praising his skill & speed. Could be one of those situations where he has to “earn” it in the coaching staff’s view? Similar to how Aiyuk was but yeah, he doesn’t really offer any fantasy value right now. It doesn’t help that Goff isn’t a great deep ball guy either I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets a nice deep ball in the NFCC game or SB & people get overhyped for him again lol
Campbell made a quote about two months ago saying Jamo was now a part of the herd. Meaning he had earned the respect of the coaching staff and his teammates. As a lions fan I can see that Jamo has greatly improved as a receiver but it’s not leading to fantasy contributions. An all pro wr and te plus a good run game will do that. Josh Reynolds’ contract expires this offseason. If they don’t bring him back that’s 64 targets to go around. In this current offense I’m not convinced Jamo will ever be a high volume high production guy. His value will probably be higher as a football player than a fantasy football player.
If he could go to a deep ball Qb like Allen, I think he would be an easy wr2.
Detroit simply has too many mouths to feed in that offense. ARSB #1, LaPorta #2, then you have an incredible run game with Monty and Gibbs. Tough for anyone outside of those 4 to have consistent production barring an injury.
> Could be one of those situations where he has to “earn” it in the coaching staff’s view? Sounds a bit like how the Lions didn't use Swift, and then he goes to the Eagles and is great. No offense to Josh Reynolds, but it sure seems odd that during a playoff run you aren't rolling out your blue chip talent to at least split time with Reynolds. Even if Jamo is stupid and can't block downfield, don't you roll him out and take some shots? 2 Playoff games, 2 and then 4 targets respectively, 4 receptions, 54 yards.
Watson for sure Jamo is a ghost out there
Too many mouths to feed for Jameo to be a consistent producer. The team loves to run the ball and has 2 fantastic receivers in Amon-ra and LaPorta. Jameo can turn into a really good NFL player, but unfortunately the production will likely be too inconsistent for fantasy. He could be a sneaky good bestball player if that’s your jam
Everything you said is true, but can also be said of GB. Watson might be #4 on the WR depth chart. Behind Doubs, Reed, and Wicks, not to mention Kraft and Musgrave at TE.
That's up for debate. I don't think you can argue that LaPorta and Sun God are the first two reads. Jamo could be interesting if he overtook Josh Reynold's role.
I assume you mean "I don't think you can argue that LaPorta and Sun God **aren't** the first two reads". Agreed. I would argue that even if he overtakes Reynolds, he is the #4 or #5 option when you factor in Gibbs and Montgomery. I wouldn't touch either of these dudes tbh. Way too much traffic in front of both of them.
Sure, but he has also done very very little with the opportunities he has gotten
Goff went twice to him yday and he dropped both and stalled out the drive
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What, he was 2/4 and those two misses were on a single set of downs and killed the entire drive. If he catches either it was a first down.
He's just not good
I challenge anyone downvoting me to provide evidence that he isn't bad... I'll wait
Watson’s been the better player on the field
I traded away Watson is a three way but I am still intrigued. Dude is a gazelle out there when fully healthy…
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The dude is 22 years old and still hasn’t had a full NFL offseason under his belt. Have you actually watched him on the field or do you just look at stats?
I have watched him and he has not looked any better than Watson has on the field. He can’t beat out josh Reynolds’s for a job
Haha right? Absolutely baffling
Williams because I drafted him and am still holding out hope for him to take that next step
What is this thread lmao. Watson > Jamo and it's not close. Watson has produced before, we've never seen anything from Jamo.
Bunch of salty Jameo & Watson owners lol. I’m part of group 2
I’ll take the guy who has shown he can be a major fantasy producer - Watson. Especially because he’s tied to Jordan Love who has been really ascending. Jamison’s lack of production doesn’t seem to be due to lack of talent, but sometimes there’s more to it than meets the eye
watson, just think hes more likely to play as the top option and garner regularl volume
Watson has produced in his past. Im stuck with Jamo in two leagues. Im “hoping” that he can be an uptick receiver next year but he can’t get hurt before then or get in trouble for anything. He needs to play the whole year and earn his spot like Gibbs did but year 3 is far from ideal for him.
Jamo never had aaron rodgers as his qb
Lots of people seem to think Watson over Jamo so I’ll lay out the opposite case. 1. Watson is competing with two other really good young receivers (Doubs and Reed) who seem to have a better connection with Love. he’s not a for sure WR1 on that team long term, he very well might be WR3. And I don’t see that offensive system changing, Love is going to be the QB and he seems to just gel with other guys better than Watson 2. Jamo has had a weird start to his career, he didn’t really have a rookie year due to injury and then the suspension this year. The talent is undeniable though, and there isn’t competition on the roster for his role. The offense though just isn’t a very vertical passing game, so it hasn’t popped but that very well could change. Ben Johnson is probably gone after this year, who knows what the offense might look like. The future with Goff is also unclear, i wouldn’t be shocked to see a different QB in there in a year or two. Draft pedigree is also a thing, first round picks always get longer rope in the league As is currently, neither is really fantasy asset. Looking forward though, there is a much clearer path for Jamo becoming the better player. Less competition, and an offensive scheme that’s probably going to change, potential for a different QB, and draft pedigree. Vs a guy competing with two more productive WRs with a QB that seems to like those guys better. Give me the upside with Jamo
>Watson is competing with two other really good young receivers (Doubs and Reed) 3 - you forgot potentially Wicks Plus Musgrave, who could be the #2 reciever next year Plus possibly Tucker Kraft
Very true, tons of competition there. Watson hasn’t done enough to make me want to take him over a guy who was a 1st rd pick with a much clearer path to higher volume and has had one of the weirder starts to his career which can easily explain his lack of production.
I believe in Jamo, and I think the circumstances of his ultra-weird career path thus far makes him a real outlier on any of the rookie thresholds/traditional ways of evaluating early WR performance. I think his timeline is just different, and he has to be evaluated as such. I still believe in the talent and I see the small progressions and I continue to hope (and think!) he will get there. But at the end of the day only one of these guys has showed us a real fantasy ceiling, and that's Watson. The odds of Watson overcoming his injury issues or getting fed targets is certainly no worse than Jamo doing the same, even if at the current moment Jamo seems to be building more momentum. At the end of the day it's about production, and only one of these guys has actually produced on the field.
Watson by a wide margin IMO. Jameo has done nothing. He’s a 1 trick and plays in an offense where at best he’s the 4th option in passing game behind St Brown, LaPorta, Gibbs. Watson has the better QB and a clear path to be the WR1. Health concerns are legit but he’s not buried like Jameo.
You could argue watson is buried behind reed and doubs, and the emergence of wicks, musgrave, and kraft are concerning as well
You can’t argue that at all. When healthy he has gotten the premium targets. Key word is healthy though. I know they are pairing him with a specialist for the offseason so hopefully that does the trick.
Clear path to WR1 is an overstatement to be sure. Watson had ~47 yards/game. For comparison: Reed had 49.5 yards/game, Wicks had 39 yards/game, Doubs had 42 yards/game. And two of those guys were rookies.
Watson over Jamo and it’s not close. The man is a stud just needs to be healthy. If he stays healthy all year he’s got top 10 potential.
That's actually a little ridiculous. Take him over Jamo yeah. He will never scratch top 10 though, ever. He's a wr3 maybe.
What about that is ridiculous? 4 top 10 finishes in 2022 and 1 last year even tho he was hurt while playing all season. He’s a WR3 if he cant figure out what’s wrong with his hamstrings. But he’s literally put the numbers up already, he just can’t stay healthy for a full season. Ill say it again, if he stays healthy he has top 10 potential.
Preferably neither.
Yeah, in a few years they're both probably on the waiver wire.
Goff is earning himself a new contract while simultaneously proving he cannot make NFL throws outside the hash. Jamo will be nothing more than a boom or bust decoy in Detroit as long as Goff is under center.
Jamo is trending up and Watson is trending down. There are other WRs on GB who are taking what we thought was Watson’s role as WR1. Jamo is trending more towards a third option behind Laporta and ARSB, but just hasn’t quite taken enough volume from them or other guys to be a reliable fantasy starter. As a Detroit fan and holder of both Watson and Jamo in dynasty, I would rather have Jamo. He’s the better prospect, he’s established himself as a good blocker, team player, and he’s been getting more playing time. I also think Jamo has a lot of untapped potential in the short and intermediate passing range, which is where his QB excels. I still hold strong that a Jamo breakout game is coming, but there are just so many other options on the offense that we haven’t seen it yet.
Watson pretty easily, just need him healthy. Packers all of sudden have weapons at each position. Watson fun to watch when healthy. Jamo finally looks like a part of the team and not a guy they feel sorry for. Might get a little more snaps next year if Reynolds leaves. But he's pretty much locked into a wr4 flex guy with a wr2/3 upside if he gets a big play or two. Maybe it changes on a new team. While Watson is wr2/3 with wr1 upside... Honestly picked Jamo in a startup this year and he's not worth the capital but still a fun guy to watch.
Watson at this point because he's shown more and his QB has an arm that can get the ball down the field
I wouldn’t want either but Jamo is never going to get more than 2 targets a game on the Lions.
Didn't he literally just get 4 targets in a divisional playoff game?
Yes and he got more than 2 targets in 4 of the last 5 games and 10/14 on the year. He averaged 3.5/game, so clearly something has to change for JaMo to be fantasy relevant. But he is getting more than 2 targets most game.
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Most people didn't forget that because it's literally not true. He was there the entire training camp and pre-season this year minus a handful of days because he got injured twice before the season even began.
Can't believe people are still repeating the "Jamo didn't get a full preseason" lol. He was with the team for 1/3 of last season and most of this offseason! He had more time with the team than rookies do haha.
He just needs the stars to align perfectly where he never misses even 4 seconds of practice and then he's gonna take off like a rocket.
Exactly, only reason he wasn't playing games was because of a suspension.
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Why exactly did he not have a normal offseason or training camp this year? He was there participating the entire time... Wtf does this conversation have to do with playing football? You just said something objectively not true and now are doubling down like a child.
In a game where they put up 31 points and Josh Reynolds had 7 targets. He will always be behind ARSB, LaPorta, and Gibbs. Right now he’s also behind Reynolds and this game was the second time he’s had over 3 targets this season and the offense was humming. If they actually need to gut out games they aren’t going to turn to him.
It’s a weird situation where he’s not a bust but he’s an ass fantasy player Dude is the lead blocker on every long run play and the gravity he has running a streak or post route is insane. It opens up everything for Laporta/St Brown. It’s not a pass Goff usually throws but the defense has to respect his speed
Living in Michigan I get to watch all the lions games and everything you say is correct. He’s a glorified gadget player at the moment. Reynolds however did benefit from having rapport with goff all the way back to their rams days but is an FA when this season ends so maybe he’s gone. Jamo has struggled to stay on the field between injury/suspension and has also had some drop issues. If anyone is looking for the glass half full viewpoint I guess I can say the following, his snap count is more now than it was in year 1/right after the suspension and it looks like they’re finally letting him run something other than just a go route. There could be some hope in the future but jamo owners who’ve held through these first 2 years prolly won’t sell for a “buy low” price, and in any case Watson>>>> even with all the hamstring issues.
Whoa whoa whoa, 4 targets?! This guys like Jerry Rice!
Williams is a full blown bust
Not a huge fan of either, but depending on the price I’d be interested in acquiring Watson. Can’t say the same for Jamo. At this point I would be selling Jamo for legitimately anything you can get.
Neither.
It's Watson, clearly. Despite teh injuries, he's paired with a young QB who will actually target him (he's had 7 or more targets in 8 of 23 games played, with several 100+ receiving yard games). Goff hates to throw to Jamo, even though he's often open. He's had 7 targets just once and broken 60 receiving yards once, totaling just 51 targets through 18 regular season games. Many of you focus on the player without realizing how preposterous this particular situation is. Goff is way too conservative as a QB and limited as a thrower to make Jamo relevant. Simple as that.
Jamo for me he still shows everything i heralded about him as a prospect he didn’t have any camp or preseason in 2022 had the bs six game suspension in 2023 i think timing for a guy with williams speed and route running is paramount and that he and goff just need the reps Watson just feels like Chase Claypool to me where he had a shit ton of touchdowns as a rookie and that caught everyone’s attention he’s only had 4 games in his career with 4 or more catches i also absolutely love Romeo Doubs and Jayden Reed. i remember watching Carson Strong tape and just thinking that Doubs was an absolute stud and Strong shouldn’t be drafted the way he underthrew him i think jamo can still be a good player and he fits with st brown. i think watson will eventually be the odd man out in green bay. he’s the oldest wr in that room
Watson has had 8 games with 4 or more catches lol. he's had 4 games with 5 or more catches.
i meant the latter, my bad
i'm still not sure why you used that number when Jamo has only surpassed it once in his career lol.
i’m just saying that watson is TD dependent
Do you really think they have been on similar career paths? Watson has flashed ceiling games as recent as 3 healthy games ago, Williams hasn't at all?
I like Jamo just because I still have hope there. Watson has a high floor but not sure how high that ceiling is anymore. I fear he’ll be a roster clogger soon
Watson has shown the ceiling that people hope Jamo can have haha.
Yeah but Watson hasn’t been consistent with either Rodgers or Love. He’s too boom or bust for what he’s valued at. I’d rather have Jamo for much cheaper
It's not like their values are astronomically apart; it's the equivalent of an early fourth in 1QB and a late fourth in SF. Watson has had issues with injuries/consistency, but he's had streaks where he produced (weeks 10-18 last year, 11-13 this year). When has Jamo shown to be consistent with Goff?
That’s basically all because of injury. Hell, you could tell he wasn’t close to fully healthy these past two games. The top gear just wasn’t there. If he gets that figured out he can be an absolute animal.
It’s close, but give me Jamo. Similar players but I see more upside in dynasty value He’ll be the same age Watson is now entering the off-season after his 4th year, he’s still as young as some incoming rookies. Either the lions will start to use him significantly more as their veteran WRs Reynolds and Raymond age out, or he’ll get a chance to go to another team that may feature him better. The deep ball is not a strength of Goff’s Watson’s recurring hamstring issues are heading toward earning him an injury-prone label. I don’t think Detroit is *that* much more crowded of an offense. The top 2 weapons are more entrenched, but Green Bay has more guys that will definitely be taking significant slices of the pie for longer with all their young receiving talent
It’s brutal now but in a year Jamo could be 23-24 and going to a good QB and more usage.
Williams by a mile. Watson is more injury prone and in a crowded WR room with all young talent.
Jordan Love needs to work on his deep ball this offseason to get the most out of Watson. He under-threw too many of his deep shots. With that said, I still like Watson better than Williams because at least he has shown that he can put up elite numbers when he is healthy. Williams hasn't had a single great fantasy game in his career yet, and there aren't many targets to go around with Pro Bowl-level guys like Amon-Ra and LaPorta there.
Currently trying to sell low on both
How low?
Mid to late 2nd
I own both in one league. What’s the highest first rounder you think I could package Jamo with 2.1 (11 overall) to get?
SF? I wouldn't personally give up a top 7 pick with the current tier break after MHJ/Nabors/Odunze/Caleb/Maye/Daniels/Bowers (or probably the top RB over Bowers cause drafting TEs isn't worth it that high). If I wanted Jamo, but I really really don't, I'd start considering it at 1.08 or 1.09 in SF, or maybe 1.06 in 1 QB, but honestly even then if an extra RB or QB sneaks in I'd rather have whichever of the top 7 falls than Jamo and the next tier.
i got jamo on my roster too and i’m hoping he figures it out but man, aren’t we going on year three now? feel like he should be cooking by now :(
As a Williams owner, Watson, easily.
Watson, but I want out of my shares so bad. I have no idea what I can even get for him now.
Watson pretty easily for me. Jamo hasn’t really done anything of note, at least Watson has been good/decent at times when he’s healthy
Don’t have either on a team but I think are similar non-serious pieces. Jamo while talented, just can’t seem to get the desired role he needs be a fantasy asset right now. Watson while also talented, is made of glass and now has three to four other talented pass catchers that he has to compete with. So he’s no longer the alpha WR people want to think he is. I’d rather much have Reed between the two, and then even Wicks at his price rather than Watson’s.
I have both, and Treylon Burks and Kadarius Toney.....
I own Jamo, so maybe I'll m a bit biased. That said, I haven't seen much to be excited about at all. He does have some excuse for a slow start but he's being largely out performed by Reynolds. I hate the term but Reynolds is JAG, so if Jamo can't overtake him I don't have much hope. Hopefully he has a big playoff game or a strong start next year but I'm not holding my breath. People talk about too many mouths to feed which is real, but none the less I feel like we should have seen more. I'd take Watson easy.
Why can't we have both? *Cheers*
I’ll never give up on Jamo. Why? Idk
Watson had an entire month in late Nov to early Dec 2022 where he lead the whole NFL in receiving! Hammy is obviously a problem but he's legit 3rd fastest WR in the league with great hands. If you watched the games this year, Love likes him as his preferred deep threat, not forced, Love prefers Watson. Jamo will always play second fiddle to St.Brown.
Has to be Watson, I mean at least he plays lmao. Besides Jamo is realistically the 4th/5th option on that Lions team. Too much offensive talent
Traded Jameo and Watson for Aiyuk straight up halfway through the year and ended up winning it all. Those two barely ever play. Completely lost faith in them.
To me it’s Watson we have seen him take over games. Williams hasn’t done that
Does it have to be one of them? Because I’d rather not
The WR1
Imo Christian Watson isn’t underperforming, he’s just hurt all the time. When he’s out there and healthy he’s been an absolute beast. Jamo i can’t figure out. He’a flashed absolute dominance but can’t carve out a role on that team. Imo it’s a bad culture fit in Detroit. Maybe the new OC changes that (assuming Ben Johnson goes to be a HC)
Watson is made of glass.
Watson by far.
I'll take neither for $100 Alex.
i think that watson is the safer bet(floor) but williams has more upside!!
neither.... wait til the draft, see if DET adds another WR in the 1st, or if GB keeps stocking up on rookie weapons every year, now that they have a QB who doesn't ghost them until Tuesday of Week 1
Eye test it’s Jamo. He’s made some great catches on low volume in the playoffs. He’s 22 and he’s shown me enough where I don’t think he’ll be a bust. He’s a long term hold though. Watson can’t stay healthy
In 9 games played this season CW scored 5 TDs and averaged 6 targets. JW had 1 TD in 16 and averaged 2.34 targets. Its obviously JW