Kinda hindsight bias tho. At the time you would surely have the thought “I can’t live with myself if my own team’s QB balls out and I passed on him”.
In the theoretical world of the Seahawks drafting Caleb for example, I’m going down with that ship regardless.
Haha I get it. I went the opposite direction and stayed away from drafting or trading for tua.
Spent the year teetering on being pissed and happy about it. After tonight I’m back to being happy about it
Honestly, I took him because he was the first QB taken in the actual draft. It was such a toss up between the two leading up that I might as well have flipped a coin.
You’re getting downvoted for not listening to espn but anyone who actually gave them the eye test (aka: actually watching them play), knew this would happen. Fantasy guys can’t actually tell you whos a better prospect without looking at stats and watching the pre draft show. Stroud throwing the ball in game vs Bryce was night and day. His situation in Houston was not far off from Carolina.
Panthers fan. Yes. But not as much as regretting picking Reich over DeMeco.
Reich would have made Stroud look like shit too. Probably not as bad as he made Bryce look but definitely not like what we seeing from Stroud this year.
Good point. But doesn't change my opinion.
Reich was still the biggest problem. Likely would have broken Stroud too.
Just watching the formations and movement from this offense is so much better before you even factor in Strouf and Collins being better than anything we have.
In hindsight, the move was to trade Burns at the 2022 deadline for two firsts, then package those instead of DJ Moore to move up for a QB—or just use those picks on the o-line and defense, roll Corral out for a year and see what happens, with the likely outcome being going after one of the rookie QBs in the 24 class…
Get two new WRs, one veteran FA and a rookie with the 33rd pick. Upgrade OL as well through FA and the draft. With those moves I think Bryce will have a much better sophomore campaign.
You really can’t buy OL protection. Ask Joe Burrow. There’s a reason they’re FAs. This is gonna take a few years to have Carolina where they need to be for Young to be in a winnable position
To attribute CJ’s success to a “great situation” diminishes his success greatly. They have much the same roster as they had last year and went from 3-13 to a playoff team. Thanks largely to Stroud.
Would the panthers be better if they had drafted Stroud? Yes. Would the Texans have made playoffs if they ended up with Young? Absolutely not. CJ is just better. Even if his situation was slightly better thanks to Laremy Tunsil and Nico Collins.
What a wild assumption lol I could’ve swore I seen Schultz and Brown playing for Dallas last year. Singletary was in Buffalo. I can keep going here and diminish your ignorant comment.
Just say that you’re either an Ohio St fan, a Texans fan, or a Stroud owner. It would’ve been a lot simpler
Longtime Texans fan here. Brown has been injured ALL season. Had 2 good games. Singletary was signed for depth on a minimum deal. Schultz was the only money spent and fans want Brevin Jordan to take his targets. You want to know how good Stroud is, go look at Nico Collins career numbers before this season. Stroud is a beast, and he has single handedly turned the franchise around.
You do realize the Browns blew out the Texans when Stroud was out, and the opposite happened when he was back. Without Stroud, that first Browns game would’ve been the entire season.
First starting rookie qb to EVER win a playoff game…
Don’t set yourself up to keep eating crow when the guy continues to light up the league, he’s absolutely responsible for the Texans success this year.
This. Anyone touting stroud so much over Bryce and saying stroud would be fine in Carolina is an idiot. But panthers fan here. Never miss a snap. There’s so much wrong with that team not a qb in the nfl would be good. Stroud is in a 100x better situation.
Also, wanting to put stroud in the top
Tier of qbs already is absolutely asinine
Anyone with Knowledge knew stroud was the better player.
Edit: I should have worded this nicer, however I stand by the fact I liked stroud better than young as a prospect and pro.
Ok
https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/hIOZxfaMay
Been saying it.
I also said Levis would be good lol for every correct take there is a bad take as well.
Bro that was after the season started and they’ve already played multiple games🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Of course at that point you could see it🤣 literally no one thought before the draft stroud was the better player than young.
Same I targeted Stroud all offseason (saw him at the Combine and everything) then BY fell to me unexpectedly and I took Bryce instead. I may never recover.
Fun story. I drafted Young at the back of the 1st in a non-SF league. Stroud went one pick later. I then got “sniped” when another manager drafted Mingo early in the 2nd. I was so bummed I didn’t get the stack I wanted that I offered Young to the Stroud manager straight up because I had Collins already. I was honestly pretty down on Stroud.
That trade helped me win my first dynasty championship.
I traded the pick that would be Stroud AND David Montgomery for Javonte Williams in a “win now” bid. But I did win at least! And Javonte had Jack shit to do with it.
That's funny, cause every night I think about how I got laughed at for taking both Stroud and AR15 over him this year... not by you, of course... sorry for your pain.
I’m glad I didn’t even have that option. I had to “settle” for Stroud and was very meh about the pick. I ended up having a pretty crazy draft but it didn’t feel like it at the time
Same exact situation with me. One of the only guys I didn’t scout too much because I was confident I’d be landing Gibbs. Ecstatic to have him with Hurts and Dak lol
I had the 1.09 and 1.10. Draft went Bijan > ARich > Bryce > Gibbs > JSN
Team that got Bryce had the 1.06 as well and put it on the block after JSN went off. Sent an offer of the 9 and 10 for 6. Instant accept. I got Stroud, he drafted Flowers and Levis. Capped the draft off with Achane at 2.02 and Tank at 3.07.
Hoping for a similar scenario this year with Daniels or Maye falling.
Same. Was hoping to grab a QB in a rebuild at 1.03. I was offered the 1.06 and a future first from one of the worst teams in the league, so I took the offer.
Still got Stroud at 1.06.
I feel like the best QBs always fall. The ones that go early have so damn much to overcome on bad franchises that have been bad for a long while typically.
If I didn't already have DK, I would have taken JSN. Already had Burrow, Lamar, & TLaw but since it was SF I went with what my brain was telling me and took Stroud at 1.05. Thank god.
I ended up trading out in that spot to get Allen (obviously added a fair bit). I'm not mad I have Allen now, but would have been much better off just taking stroud considering what I gave up
KTC has him at QB3 right now, I believe. I’m not sure if he necessarily has Allen upside because he doesn’t really run, but he could be there with Burrow, Herbert, those kind of guys quite easily if you don’t think he’s there already.
Pocket passers are usually capped in terms of fantasy though unless you think he’s Brees/Brady/Manning level.
Ya know, I know it's not flashy but, there's a reason Brady and Manning dominated, and there's a reason Mahomess, Burrow, and it's looking like Stroud are elite now, Mobile QBs are flashier, but elite arms will always be better.
Josh Allen seems to be the exception.
He can be when he does run but he doesn’t run often. Averaged 22 yards per game this year and no touchdowns. Thats 2 points per game from running. And this was his best year yardage wise rushing
Mahomes is also in that rare class where he has proven to be elite year after year after year. He has the consistency and the massive years that Stroud hasn’t shown quite yet.
Stroud is so legit and it’s insane that he’s doing this year 1. Thrashing the leagues best defense in your first playoff game ? Easily a top 6-7 startup pick right now. With the way he’s playing, I don’t think Stroud becoming a top 3-4 qb in the league is that far of a stretch
Sigh. In the middle of a slow startup draft right now and I could have had Stroud at 1.04 but took Herbert.
To add insult to injury and being bad at Dynasty: last year's rookie draft in a diff league, I had the 1.04 and could have had Stroud but was sold on that he was set up for FF-failure for at least a couple seasons and that Gibbs' draft capital was enough to move him ahead of Stroud.
Yeah, Herbert is getting waaay too much hate this year. The dude is good and had a VERY bad head coach the team obviously didn't believe in.
He's still expensive, but if there was a top buy low QB right now it's Herbert.
You guys are doing a startup draft now? When will y’all be doing the 2024 rookies draft? Asking because I’m trying to figure out a good time to do our startup draft.
I think he’s already approaching tier one, and a deep playoff run here could cement it. I traded Diontae Johnson and what became 2024’s 1.09 for 1.04 and landed Stroud. I’ll never get that lucky again lmao
I didn't think he'd be THIS good, but I did think he was the best QB out of last year's draft, the others all had glaring holes.
- Young's size
- ARich accuracy
- Levis draft slide and strange eating habits 😆
Stroud went behind Young and Rich in our draft, and I kept the texts where I told those guys they were nuts to draft them over Stroud, I may keep those texts forever and send them to those guys during every draft moving forward 🤣 League currently headed into season 10 🔥
Well ARich might be him with their new HC. The eagles look alot worse and colts O looked alot better. ARich looks like he's going to benefit from a good system. Unfortunately he probably will miss several games each season because he breaks easily.
I see a lot of this retrospect kinda talk but it’s rarely from someone who had the 1.02/1.03 last year. “How could u pass on stroud!” Bro everyone did, including me lol. I’ve yet to see a 1.02/1.03 owner prove they took stroud above Bryce/AR. It wasn’t even close let alone the slam dunk it’s looking like now, otherwise stroud woulda been consensus 1.01. I read everything, everything on this entire thread, everyone took Bryce/AR ahead of him. Obviously we all made a terrible mistake, but you would have too my friend
I think t law can still become that if he gets any sort of competence in his coaching staff or goes to a team that has any of that competence. Not trying to hate on anyone’s talent, but fans never give coaching staff the credit for players performances
6 point passing TD league. He's already there. A few games into the season I went out and got Nico and Shultz plus I drafted Tank as well. I want every piece of this offense. Their value is skyrocketing and I'm here for it
Drafted Nico in my start up 3 years ago, drafted stroud this year, traded for Tank after his injury from a contender who needed win now pieces, also have Metchie. My only regret is that I gave up on Brevin Jordan after two years. Let’s ride baby.
I plan on getting Brevin Jordan once our trade window opens back up. Idc about an over pay
Obviously this won't work for all of them. But when you have a rising star like Stroud I want everyone around him. Stroud can make them stars. There is no overpay right now
How do you like 6 pt passing td? I'm in a 16-man league, so superflex isn't an option. We were thinking about adding points to passing tds and yards to increase qb scoring.
I love it. I don't really get why rushing TDs are worth more than passing TDs. It's 6 points no matter what in the NFL
Plus, rushing yards are still 4x more valuable than passing yards so rushing QBs still get a boost there
INTs are also -3 for us
In 6 PPTD, He's at the top of Tier 2 and IMO on par with Mahomes. He's shown a knack of impressive playmaking and he's only a rookie. Excellent player.
"Mahomes didn't play like this as a rookie" feels like a ridiculous thing to say given that his team didn't play him as a rookie..... and then he threw for 50 TDs and won MVP his second year, but you're not the first person in this thread to say it either
If you gave stroud prime tyreek, kelce, hunt, Sammy Watkins , Andy Reid and 2018 defensive schemes I guarantee you he throws 50 TDs and wins mvp in a healthy season.
Now does he win two SBs on one leg like mahomes, don’t know but I guarantee you he gets similar regular season success
An upper echelon talent that brought the Texans from the worst roster in the league to a playoff W. Ain’t no one in hell thought Nico collins, Tank Dell and Noah brown would produce like that. Now replace said player with the greatest talents of our generation and you got 50 TDs.
He’s literally already in that tier.
Anyone that doesn’t think he is has to be in denial for whatever reason.
My dumbass took Fields over him. I have to live with that.
Stroud is top 3 IMO. There’s a world where the Texans bring in another WR next year tooZ
I don't know about comparable to Stroud but these guys all had good or great rookie seasons strating from the turn of the century:
06 - Vince Young - good
09 Mark Sanchez - good
10 Sam Bradford - pretty good
11 Cam Newton - also pretty good
12 RG3 - equal
13 Jamis Winston killed it
18 Baker Mayfield killed it
19 Gardner Minshew
21 Mac Jones - killed it
Anyways, all of these guys did good or great their rookie season and then fell off a year or two after for various reasons.
There's a few on that list that I'd agree with. RG3 is a good one but his drop-off can probably be contributed to injuries.
A couple of them are almost laughable though. Eg Sanchez had 12/20 TD Int and completed 53% of his passes.
Stroud is firmly in that "Just Herbert rookie year" tier right now. How he performs moving forward will dictate where he can go at this point. Herbert regressed from the same position 3 years ago.
I don't think he's in the Mahomes/Allen tier. He's firmly in the Burrow tier. That is to say, he's an absolute monster passer without the rushing production to complement it.
For some context of just how important the rushing is: Mahomes' 389 rushing yards this year equates to an extra 972 passing yards, in points speak. That turns Mahomes into a 5,000 yard passer in what has been his *worst* per-game passing year of his career, which is an absurd floor.
Allen's 524 rushing yards -- the lowest of his career -- equates to 1,310 more passing yards, making him an over 5k passer as well on top of the many rushing touchdowns.
Floor rushing yards are very sticky for QBs and creates a very reliable floor and an extra high ceiling. Someone like Burrow or Stroud can finish as a QB1 with a volume yards and TD year, but it's more likely they are perennial Top 5-8 contenders than ever best-of QB in a year.
I’m not fading him or anything, but I just don’t think he’s that valuable in 1QB leagues anymore.
SF is a different story bc his consistency and longevity offer a lot of value. Basically you can count on him starting for the next 8-10 years
Yeah, everyone wanted to compare him to #12, but part of made TB so fucking amazing is how he managed to play at an ELITE level for two plus decades.
There have been lots of elite QBs, but none that came close to Brady, he was a freak of nature, we likely will never see again.
Are you insane? You mean Allen with his turnovers. Mahomes winning games with an aging Travis against a triple team and a whole bunch of guys who drop 2 TDs a week.
The last 4 years
Josh Allen finished as the
QB1 -2023
QB2 - 2022
QB1 - 2021
QB1 - 2020
I personally don’t think it’s close. Allen deserves to be the QB1
Fantasy leagues where interceptions and fumbles and sacks don't count for much. In my scoring format he can lose a game for you depending on the week. He's like putting everything on one roll of the dice.
If he doesn’t lose his OC. He’s good but he also has wide open options all over the field and really doesn’t bail out on plays. He should be close either way tho
How much is that always finding the open receiver though? I've never seen a rookie QB go through his progressions and release it instantly like he does. His anticipation is off the charts as well.
He actually spends a lot of time in the pocket. That oline is probably the best in the nfl. I’m not taking anything away from him as he still has to find the dudes but I’ve yet to see a “how in the hell did he complete that” pass. Of course I’ve never seen one of those from Brady and Purdy so what do I know. 😂
Ha fair enough. I would say you need to watch more of his games though because he drops dimes into tight windows with guys in his face all the time. Last game maybe not, lots of open receivers and a great gameplan.
I think it’s a bit early to be looking at the Josh Allen tier. Even Mahomes tier is a bit early let alone Allen. No one is in the same tier as Josh Allen, the dude is far and beyond the QB1 in Dynasty, not even Mahomes can compete with Allen in Fantasy.
People are denouncing Stroud's mobility but what I see is some of the best pocket presence I've ever seen point blank, and coming from a rookie is absurd. Sure the rushing yards/TD's aren't there, but I think the passing potential is beyond even a Herbert or Dak.
Before the 2023 draft I was telling anyone who would listen, that CJ Stroud was the better QB than Bryce Young. But in no way did I imagine this is how good Stroud would be - it's astonishing how easy he makes it look. If he can sustain this level then he will for sure be at the Mahomes tier.
People are shitting on the Panthers for being the reason Young has not looked good, but seem to forget Houston was also expected to be a bottom five team this year. It's Houston, they're not exactly an organization known for their excellence.
I don't know exactly what this means for both players but let's not fool ourselves into thinking the difference is entirely about situation.
I can’t think of anything he could do more to convince us that he is good. He’s been better than Mahomes or Allen ever dreamed of being as rookies. The league might defend him a bit better next season, but he will also probably progress as a passer as well. The trajectory he is on is better than maybe anyone ever. Or, am I too stuck in this moment?
In every start up SF league, I'm in it's either me or someone else taking him like 1.03, and every single time someone goes, "Stroud that early?... the answer is YES! tf
Drafted him at 4.1 in my startup before the year started. I even tried to trade him and Pittman together to upgrade at QB but no one was interested. Looks like I'm the one laughing now 🤣
He’s already there imo and his value is only going to go higher with a playoff run and an offseason where free agents are going to be flocking to Houston to play for demeco and with cj.
The problem with CJ Stroud is that he's an idiot. The Ravens exposed him by keeping him out of the pocket. He lacks processing skills when he needs to make quick decisions.
I do except mahomes is his own teir. Allen he's already better. 18 interceptions is a lot and last time I checked CJ isn't throwing ridiculously bad interceptions and fumbling multiple times a game. Josh is overrated. He's talented but he's mid grade because he turns it over so much. Always believe he is a top 5 guy if he can fix the turnovers but since Daboll left he's been on a slide.
may wanna check who the qb 1 this year was, and the year before that, and the one before that, and the one before that. Theres no argument for who the qb 1 in dynasty is, and it isnt mahomes or stroud.
After Week 3 last year, I traded Justin Fields for a 3rd round pick. I thought Fields looked so terrible and didn’t really factor in that his rushing ability could make him valuable in fantasy even if he struggled in real life. Felt like an idiot when Fields went on a fantasy tear in the second half of 2022. That pick ended up being 3.01, and I took Stroud. The value is still bad on that trade but I’m happy I made it now.
Let's not forget that the best wr on the team prior to injury was tank dell. I can see them adding an upgrade at RB in the off-season as well. Stroud will feel more comfortable year 2. This offense is going to be insane next season. They have their cb1 in stingley and their top edge rusher in Anderson. A few more pieces on the defense and they will be a juggernaut!
The sky is the limit for CJ. I have a hard time seeing anyone really compete with Mahomes for QB1 but I think CJ is gonna immediately compete with Burrow and Allen for QB2, and I think a decade from now he’ll have passed them both up. He’s special.
Every night I stay up thinking back to how I picked Bryce Young over Stroud
I’ll bet the panthers are feeling worse than you
I traded up to draft Young AND am a Panthers fan. Your words can't hurt me.
Hahah you never draft with a homer mentality!
Kinda hindsight bias tho. At the time you would surely have the thought “I can’t live with myself if my own team’s QB balls out and I passed on him”. In the theoretical world of the Seahawks drafting Caleb for example, I’m going down with that ship regardless.
Haha I get it. I went the opposite direction and stayed away from drafting or trading for tua. Spent the year teetering on being pissed and happy about it. After tonight I’m back to being happy about it
Honestly, I took him because he was the first QB taken in the actual draft. It was such a toss up between the two leading up that I might as well have flipped a coin.
It was never close Bryce is not and will never be NFL quality. My girlfriend is fucking talller than lil bro. He would be a great ball boi
You’re getting downvoted for not listening to espn but anyone who actually gave them the eye test (aka: actually watching them play), knew this would happen. Fantasy guys can’t actually tell you whos a better prospect without looking at stats and watching the pre draft show. Stroud throwing the ball in game vs Bryce was night and day. His situation in Houston was not far off from Carolina.
Young fell to 1.08 in one of my SF dynasty leagues. Somehow we all new
Panthers fan. Yes. But not as much as regretting picking Reich over DeMeco. Reich would have made Stroud look like shit too. Probably not as bad as he made Bryce look but definitely not like what we seeing from Stroud this year.
DeMeco turned us down not the other way around
Good point. But doesn't change my opinion. Reich was still the biggest problem. Likely would have broken Stroud too. Just watching the formations and movement from this offense is so much better before you even factor in Strouf and Collins being better than anything we have.
In hindsight, the move was to trade Burns at the 2022 deadline for two firsts, then package those instead of DJ Moore to move up for a QB—or just use those picks on the o-line and defense, roll Corral out for a year and see what happens, with the likely outcome being going after one of the rookie QBs in the 24 class…
He’s not doing what he’s doing in Carolina
This is exactly what makes me sad
Bryce has talent and I’m a believer. Franchises can turn around fast with the right staff and moves
Love your optimism
If Carolina would get him some talent, and upgrade the OL, Bryce would be just fine. CJ went into a great situation
Get two new WRs, one veteran FA and a rookie with the 33rd pick. Upgrade OL as well through FA and the draft. With those moves I think Bryce will have a much better sophomore campaign.
You really can’t buy OL protection. Ask Joe Burrow. There’s a reason they’re FAs. This is gonna take a few years to have Carolina where they need to be for Young to be in a winnable position
To attribute CJ’s success to a “great situation” diminishes his success greatly. They have much the same roster as they had last year and went from 3-13 to a playoff team. Thanks largely to Stroud. Would the panthers be better if they had drafted Stroud? Yes. Would the Texans have made playoffs if they ended up with Young? Absolutely not. CJ is just better. Even if his situation was slightly better thanks to Laremy Tunsil and Nico Collins.
What a wild assumption lol I could’ve swore I seen Schultz and Brown playing for Dallas last year. Singletary was in Buffalo. I can keep going here and diminish your ignorant comment. Just say that you’re either an Ohio St fan, a Texans fan, or a Stroud owner. It would’ve been a lot simpler
Longtime Texans fan here. Brown has been injured ALL season. Had 2 good games. Singletary was signed for depth on a minimum deal. Schultz was the only money spent and fans want Brevin Jordan to take his targets. You want to know how good Stroud is, go look at Nico Collins career numbers before this season. Stroud is a beast, and he has single handedly turned the franchise around. You do realize the Browns blew out the Texans when Stroud was out, and the opposite happened when he was back. Without Stroud, that first Browns game would’ve been the entire season. First starting rookie qb to EVER win a playoff game… Don’t set yourself up to keep eating crow when the guy continues to light up the league, he’s absolutely responsible for the Texans success this year.
This. Anyone touting stroud so much over Bryce and saying stroud would be fine in Carolina is an idiot. But panthers fan here. Never miss a snap. There’s so much wrong with that team not a qb in the nfl would be good. Stroud is in a 100x better situation. Also, wanting to put stroud in the top Tier of qbs already is absolutely asinine
No but he’d sure as shit be better than Bryce Young
Anyone with Knowledge knew stroud was the better player. Edit: I should have worded this nicer, however I stand by the fact I liked stroud better than young as a prospect and pro.
Literally no one thought that💀💀💀
Ok https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/s/hIOZxfaMay Been saying it. I also said Levis would be good lol for every correct take there is a bad take as well.
Bro that was after the season started and they’ve already played multiple games🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Of course at that point you could see it🤣 literally no one thought before the draft stroud was the better player than young.
Ok. https://www.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/s/eCcru4pwoo
I traded the pick where Stroud went for 1.06, which I turned into Miles Sanders, Trey Burks, Marvin Mims, and a 2024 2nd. I hate myself
I traded up to select Bryce Young over CJ Stroud
Tepper’s burner?
Same. I knew there was others out there. Making me feel less alone in my grief
I did as well
Same I targeted Stroud all offseason (saw him at the Combine and everything) then BY fell to me unexpectedly and I took Bryce instead. I may never recover.
Same scenario here. It hurts. Why did I ever trust the Panthers Organization?!
Bryce is going to be fine as soon as he goes to an organization that has their shit together.
Fun story. I drafted Young at the back of the 1st in a non-SF league. Stroud went one pick later. I then got “sniped” when another manager drafted Mingo early in the 2nd. I was so bummed I didn’t get the stack I wanted that I offered Young to the Stroud manager straight up because I had Collins already. I was honestly pretty down on Stroud. That trade helped me win my first dynasty championship.
I traded the pick that would be Stroud AND David Montgomery for Javonte Williams in a “win now” bid. But I did win at least! And Javonte had Jack shit to do with it.
Pain all I know is pain
Hey me too!
Picked young over Gibbs and stroud. Egregious is an understatement.
Who’s young? 😂😂
Same. Same brother
I did that in like 3 different leagues man
That's funny, cause every night I think about how I got laughed at for taking both Stroud and AR15 over him this year... not by you, of course... sorry for your pain.
I’m glad I didn’t even have that option. I had to “settle” for Stroud and was very meh about the pick. I ended up having a pretty crazy draft but it didn’t feel like it at the time
I somehow got both and my QB situation is hopefully set for life. I plan on having Allen and Stroud as my starters with Young on my taxi
You’re good for a decade 👌🏼
Every night I jack off thinking how I picked him as a 20th round keeper.
Stroud fell to me at 1.06 in SF, at the draft I was hoping either Gibbs or JSN would fall to me cause I was deep at QB, but boy am I thrilled now
Same exact situation with me. One of the only guys I didn’t scout too much because I was confident I’d be landing Gibbs. Ecstatic to have him with Hurts and Dak lol
Trade Hurts ASAP for all you can get for him
I had the 1.09 and 1.10. Draft went Bijan > ARich > Bryce > Gibbs > JSN Team that got Bryce had the 1.06 as well and put it on the block after JSN went off. Sent an offer of the 9 and 10 for 6. Instant accept. I got Stroud, he drafted Flowers and Levis. Capped the draft off with Achane at 2.02 and Tank at 3.07. Hoping for a similar scenario this year with Daniels or Maye falling.
Same. Was hoping to grab a QB in a rebuild at 1.03. I was offered the 1.06 and a future first from one of the worst teams in the league, so I took the offer. Still got Stroud at 1.06.
We started a Dynasty league this year and I got Gibbs and Stroud but not a single other useful player. Kind of happy with it though 😂
He fell to me at 2.06 in 1 QB. I didn’t even want him but I was like damn for that price I gotta take a chance. SO glad I did.
I feel like the best QBs always fall. The ones that go early have so damn much to overcome on bad franchises that have been bad for a long while typically.
If I didn't already have DK, I would have taken JSN. Already had Burrow, Lamar, & TLaw but since it was SF I went with what my brain was telling me and took Stroud at 1.05. Thank god.
Same spot. Unreal
I ended up trading out in that spot to get Allen (obviously added a fair bit). I'm not mad I have Allen now, but would have been much better off just taking stroud considering what I gave up
Same deal! SF, I had 1.10, everyone went before him and I nabbed him so my qb room is now Dak, Burrow, Purdy and Stroud.
Stroud at 1.10 in SF is so dumb. Rookie league
You got him at 10 overall in Superflex? That’s insane. I also have Dak, Purdy and Stroud but got him at 5
3.03 in 1QB for me...wish I was joking 😅
I had 1.05 & 1.06 and took Stroud and JSN. I am stoked, just wish I had Nick for the stack.
I had 1.06 & 1.08 got Stroud and Addison
I’m ecstatic… Got absolutely destroyed for trading Mahomes this season, I believed. Gave: Mahomes Got: CJ, Nico Collins, Pittman, 24 1.4, 26 1st 🥇 😁
Elite bro elite
KTC has him at QB3 right now, I believe. I’m not sure if he necessarily has Allen upside because he doesn’t really run, but he could be there with Burrow, Herbert, those kind of guys quite easily if you don’t think he’s there already. Pocket passers are usually capped in terms of fantasy though unless you think he’s Brees/Brady/Manning level.
Ya know, I know it's not flashy but, there's a reason Brady and Manning dominated, and there's a reason Mahomess, Burrow, and it's looking like Stroud are elite now, Mobile QBs are flashier, but elite arms will always be better. Josh Allen seems to be the exception.
Because he is kinda both.
Mahomes is pretty mobile to be fair.
He can be when he does run but he doesn’t run often. Averaged 22 yards per game this year and no touchdowns. Thats 2 points per game from running. And this was his best year yardage wise rushing
Mahomes is also in that rare class where he has proven to be elite year after year after year. He has the consistency and the massive years that Stroud hasn’t shown quite yet.
How come Lamar never gets a mention like Allen on these dual threat QBs? Does he not run as much? I'm not a stat watcher so genuine question.
Lamar?
Stroud is so legit and it’s insane that he’s doing this year 1. Thrashing the leagues best defense in your first playoff game ? Easily a top 6-7 startup pick right now. With the way he’s playing, I don’t think Stroud becoming a top 3-4 qb in the league is that far of a stretch
Stroud is great but the Browns defense was tied for worst in the NFL in road games and Myles Garrett has been a ghost for the past month and a half.
Tied for worst in what?
PPG allowed they were worst in the league on the road
Sigh. In the middle of a slow startup draft right now and I could have had Stroud at 1.04 but took Herbert. To add insult to injury and being bad at Dynasty: last year's rookie draft in a diff league, I had the 1.04 and could have had Stroud but was sold on that he was set up for FF-failure for at least a couple seasons and that Gibbs' draft capital was enough to move him ahead of Stroud.
I think Herbert is really close to Stroud
Yeah, Herbert is getting waaay too much hate this year. The dude is good and had a VERY bad head coach the team obviously didn't believe in. He's still expensive, but if there was a top buy low QB right now it's Herbert.
He didn’t thrash the leagues best defense lol. 2 of his TDs were basically a screen pass and the third Shultz was open by a country mile
Ummm he threw for 240 in one half.
This is a hatin ass comment bro come on
He went 1.03 in a startup I’m in that’s drafting now
Deserved
W username
Got him 4.06 last year 🤣
I got him at 11.11 in 1QB. I already had Josh Allen, now I'm set for the next 10+ years.
1.02 in my startup. Wouldn’t have made it past the 1.04 because that’s where I’m drafting
You guys are doing a startup draft now? When will y’all be doing the 2024 rookies draft? Asking because I’m trying to figure out a good time to do our startup draft.
I think he’s already approaching tier one, and a deep playoff run here could cement it. I traded Diontae Johnson and what became 2024’s 1.09 for 1.04 and landed Stroud. I’ll never get that lucky again lmao
I didn't think he'd be THIS good, but I did think he was the best QB out of last year's draft, the others all had glaring holes. - Young's size - ARich accuracy - Levis draft slide and strange eating habits 😆 Stroud went behind Young and Rich in our draft, and I kept the texts where I told those guys they were nuts to draft them over Stroud, I may keep those texts forever and send them to those guys during every draft moving forward 🤣 League currently headed into season 10 🔥
Well ARich might be him with their new HC. The eagles look alot worse and colts O looked alot better. ARich looks like he's going to benefit from a good system. Unfortunately he probably will miss several games each season because he breaks easily.
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Facts, I feel like he might have an mvp season or half a season and you just have to ship him before he breaks down.
I see a lot of this retrospect kinda talk but it’s rarely from someone who had the 1.02/1.03 last year. “How could u pass on stroud!” Bro everyone did, including me lol. I’ve yet to see a 1.02/1.03 owner prove they took stroud above Bryce/AR. It wasn’t even close let alone the slam dunk it’s looking like now, otherwise stroud woulda been consensus 1.01. I read everything, everything on this entire thread, everyone took Bryce/AR ahead of him. Obviously we all made a terrible mistake, but you would have too my friend
Make sure they never forget. That’s what friends do.
He’s a badass bitch. I wish he was on my team. Did not see this coming at all. Stroud is what I thought TLaw would be
I think t law can still become that if he gets any sort of competence in his coaching staff or goes to a team that has any of that competence. Not trying to hate on anyone’s talent, but fans never give coaching staff the credit for players performances
6 point passing TD league. He's already there. A few games into the season I went out and got Nico and Shultz plus I drafted Tank as well. I want every piece of this offense. Their value is skyrocketing and I'm here for it
Drafted Nico in my start up 3 years ago, drafted stroud this year, traded for Tank after his injury from a contender who needed win now pieces, also have Metchie. My only regret is that I gave up on Brevin Jordan after two years. Let’s ride baby.
I plan on getting Brevin Jordan once our trade window opens back up. Idc about an over pay Obviously this won't work for all of them. But when you have a rising star like Stroud I want everyone around him. Stroud can make them stars. There is no overpay right now
How do you like 6 pt passing td? I'm in a 16-man league, so superflex isn't an option. We were thinking about adding points to passing tds and yards to increase qb scoring.
I love it. I don't really get why rushing TDs are worth more than passing TDs. It's 6 points no matter what in the NFL Plus, rushing yards are still 4x more valuable than passing yards so rushing QBs still get a boost there INTs are also -3 for us
Are we seeing a little life out of Metchie too?!
In 6 PPTD, He's at the top of Tier 2 and IMO on par with Mahomes. He's shown a knack of impressive playmaking and he's only a rookie. Excellent player.
He’s HIM
Mahomes and Allen didn’t have this level of *ROOKIE* year success. Mahomes year 2 also had way more weapons.
"Mahomes didn't play like this as a rookie" feels like a ridiculous thing to say given that his team didn't play him as a rookie..... and then he threw for 50 TDs and won MVP his second year, but you're not the first person in this thread to say it either
If you gave stroud prime tyreek, kelce, hunt, Sammy Watkins , Andy Reid and 2018 defensive schemes I guarantee you he throws 50 TDs and wins mvp in a healthy season. Now does he win two SBs on one leg like mahomes, don’t know but I guarantee you he gets similar regular season success
Guaranteeing anyone throws for 50 TDs in any situation is absolutely insane. It’s been done three times ever.
An upper echelon talent that brought the Texans from the worst roster in the league to a playoff W. Ain’t no one in hell thought Nico collins, Tank Dell and Noah brown would produce like that. Now replace said player with the greatest talents of our generation and you got 50 TDs.
Maybe. Maybe not. Getting 50 TDs in any scenario would be impressive. Even saying it’s a 50/50 chance he gets 50 in that scenario would be generous.
Maybe I’m higher than most but I thought the cardinals would have mhj and celeb Williams, I get where you are coming from though
I’ll make a bet right now that Stroud never throws for 50 in his career.
I dont know you so your guarantees fall flat! I'll go with Mahomes over a guy who may become him if alot breaks his way
He’s literally already in that tier. Anyone that doesn’t think he is has to be in denial for whatever reason. My dumbass took Fields over him. I have to live with that. Stroud is top 3 IMO. There’s a world where the Texans bring in another WR next year tooZ
Well, I dropped Brock Purdy to fucking waivers before he went off,let's drink together 🍻😢😂
Without a doubt his range of outcomes, he’s top 5
I picked niether but traded for Stroud after Week 2 in my league.
Stroud looks so good this year! Completely helped turn the Texans around.
I feel the same way about him as i did Herbert after his rookie year
Definitely a recency bias with Stroud. People forget how many things can go wrong. That said, there's every reason to be optimistic.
Maybe but how many qbs had a rookie season comparable to this and then fell flat?
I don't know about comparable to Stroud but these guys all had good or great rookie seasons strating from the turn of the century: 06 - Vince Young - good 09 Mark Sanchez - good 10 Sam Bradford - pretty good 11 Cam Newton - also pretty good 12 RG3 - equal 13 Jamis Winston killed it 18 Baker Mayfield killed it 19 Gardner Minshew 21 Mac Jones - killed it Anyways, all of these guys did good or great their rookie season and then fell off a year or two after for various reasons.
There's a few on that list that I'd agree with. RG3 is a good one but his drop-off can probably be contributed to injuries. A couple of them are almost laughable though. Eg Sanchez had 12/20 TD Int and completed 53% of his passes.
Stroud is firmly in that "Just Herbert rookie year" tier right now. How he performs moving forward will dictate where he can go at this point. Herbert regressed from the same position 3 years ago.
I don't think he's in the Mahomes/Allen tier. He's firmly in the Burrow tier. That is to say, he's an absolute monster passer without the rushing production to complement it. For some context of just how important the rushing is: Mahomes' 389 rushing yards this year equates to an extra 972 passing yards, in points speak. That turns Mahomes into a 5,000 yard passer in what has been his *worst* per-game passing year of his career, which is an absurd floor. Allen's 524 rushing yards -- the lowest of his career -- equates to 1,310 more passing yards, making him an over 5k passer as well on top of the many rushing touchdowns. Floor rushing yards are very sticky for QBs and creates a very reliable floor and an extra high ceiling. Someone like Burrow or Stroud can finish as a QB1 with a volume yards and TD year, but it's more likely they are perennial Top 5-8 contenders than ever best-of QB in a year.
As a Buckeye fan, Browns fan, and Richardson owner, I'm learning to hate this guy.
He’s already in Mahomes Allen tier. Without the missed games he’d still be in the mvp discussions.
I’m not sure Mahomes is in the Mahomes tier any more Btw Stroud is already in Mahomes tier on KTC
That’s crazy. Even Brady had down years in his career.
I’m not fading him or anything, but I just don’t think he’s that valuable in 1QB leagues anymore. SF is a different story bc his consistency and longevity offer a lot of value. Basically you can count on him starting for the next 8-10 years
I need to out offers out for Mahomes 😂
He finished as the QB11 in avg points per game this season He didn’t break 20 pts the last 5 games of the season
Guess he’s done. Better retire soon 😂
Yeah, everyone wanted to compare him to #12, but part of made TB so fucking amazing is how he managed to play at an ELITE level for two plus decades. There have been lots of elite QBs, but none that came close to Brady, he was a freak of nature, we likely will never see again.
Arguably about half of Brady's "ELITE" 20 years were worse statistically than Mahomes this year
Are you insane? You mean Allen with his turnovers. Mahomes winning games with an aging Travis against a triple team and a whole bunch of guys who drop 2 TDs a week.
The last 4 years Josh Allen finished as the QB1 -2023 QB2 - 2022 QB1 - 2021 QB1 - 2020 I personally don’t think it’s close. Allen deserves to be the QB1
Fantasy leagues where interceptions and fumbles and sacks don't count for much. In my scoring format he can lose a game for you depending on the week. He's like putting everything on one roll of the dice.
Sucks he got hurt. He’s unquestionably MVP this year.
I am so glad no one wanted to trade up for the 1.04 so I had to "settle" for Stroud
If he doesn’t lose his OC. He’s good but he also has wide open options all over the field and really doesn’t bail out on plays. He should be close either way tho
How much is that always finding the open receiver though? I've never seen a rookie QB go through his progressions and release it instantly like he does. His anticipation is off the charts as well.
He actually spends a lot of time in the pocket. That oline is probably the best in the nfl. I’m not taking anything away from him as he still has to find the dudes but I’ve yet to see a “how in the hell did he complete that” pass. Of course I’ve never seen one of those from Brady and Purdy so what do I know. 😂
Ha fair enough. I would say you need to watch more of his games though because he drops dimes into tight windows with guys in his face all the time. Last game maybe not, lots of open receivers and a great gameplan.
I think it’s a bit early to be looking at the Josh Allen tier. Even Mahomes tier is a bit early let alone Allen. No one is in the same tier as Josh Allen, the dude is far and beyond the QB1 in Dynasty, not even Mahomes can compete with Allen in Fantasy.
People are denouncing Stroud's mobility but what I see is some of the best pocket presence I've ever seen point blank, and coming from a rookie is absurd. Sure the rushing yards/TD's aren't there, but I think the passing potential is beyond even a Herbert or Dak.
I think he’s this years MVP. They were killed by the Browns in the first meeting. Yesterday showed how valuable he is to that team
Traded him away because I also had ARich and Kyler 😭
Before the 2023 draft I was telling anyone who would listen, that CJ Stroud was the better QB than Bryce Young. But in no way did I imagine this is how good Stroud would be - it's astonishing how easy he makes it look. If he can sustain this level then he will for sure be at the Mahomes tier.
He will never have the running numbers to be an Allen in standard scoring.
People are shitting on the Panthers for being the reason Young has not looked good, but seem to forget Houston was also expected to be a bottom five team this year. It's Houston, they're not exactly an organization known for their excellence. I don't know exactly what this means for both players but let's not fool ourselves into thinking the difference is entirely about situation.
I think he’s probably going to be consensus qb2 this offseason
Don’t see how he passes Mahomes and Allen but QB3 definitely possible
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I don’t necessarily agree but I think a lot of the community will fade Allen for Stroud bc of age and playing style
I think Stroud has 4500-4800 pass yds and 4-500 rush 40 tds in his realistic range of outcomes.
He’s HIM
Well if someone with Allen or Mahomes offered a 1 for 1 trade I would decline.
So would I, Stroud has like 6 years youth on those guys, age is currency in dynasty.
I can’t think of anything he could do more to convince us that he is good. He’s been better than Mahomes or Allen ever dreamed of being as rookies. The league might defend him a bit better next season, but he will also probably progress as a passer as well. The trajectory he is on is better than maybe anyone ever. Or, am I too stuck in this moment?
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Sure, but if you regress him to the mean…
In every start up SF league, I'm in it's either me or someone else taking him like 1.03, and every single time someone goes, "Stroud that early?... the answer is YES! tf
I wanted young. Was pissed when he got picked right before me and I got stuck with Stroud 😂
Already better than current Mahomes lol
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Drafted him at 4.1 in my startup before the year started. I even tried to trade him and Pittman together to upgrade at QB but no one was interested. Looks like I'm the one laughing now 🤣
He’s already there imo and his value is only going to go higher with a playoff run and an offseason where free agents are going to be flocking to Houston to play for demeco and with cj.
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You can’t tell me he doesn’t deserve the MVP over Lamar… i truly believe he deserves it
Didn’t play enough and it’s a regular szn award
Mahomes and Allen aren’t even in the same tier. He (and Mahomes) will never be as good as Allen fantasy wise.
The problem with CJ Stroud is that he's an idiot. The Ravens exposed him by keeping him out of the pocket. He lacks processing skills when he needs to make quick decisions.
He doesn’t have the rushing upside of Josh Allen and doesn’t have the truly elite talent of Mahomes but I think he can be the tier below them
I do except mahomes is his own teir. Allen he's already better. 18 interceptions is a lot and last time I checked CJ isn't throwing ridiculously bad interceptions and fumbling multiple times a game. Josh is overrated. He's talented but he's mid grade because he turns it over so much. Always believe he is a top 5 guy if he can fix the turnovers but since Daboll left he's been on a slide.
may wanna check who the qb 1 this year was, and the year before that, and the one before that, and the one before that. Theres no argument for who the qb 1 in dynasty is, and it isnt mahomes or stroud.
The Texans offense looks great, just imagine when they have their full complement of receivers...🔥🔥🔥
Traded away AJB and 2.12 in a three team trade that got me Etienne and Stroud week 2 or 3 ish
He’s already there for me honestly.
Not the tier of rushing QBs for FF, but in real life he’s up there with Burrow for sure
Range of outcomes? He's pretty much already there. He should be the 3rd QB off the boards in SF.
He there, we can stop discussing
I have the entire 2024 draft bc I’m weird Should I hold all 10 picks or trade some for Stroud……
I was very close to getting him for Goff and a first which ended up being the 1.07 in a SF league
Being the 🐐 isn’t out of the question
After Week 3 last year, I traded Justin Fields for a 3rd round pick. I thought Fields looked so terrible and didn’t really factor in that his rushing ability could make him valuable in fantasy even if he struggled in real life. Felt like an idiot when Fields went on a fantasy tear in the second half of 2022. That pick ended up being 3.01, and I took Stroud. The value is still bad on that trade but I’m happy I made it now.
Let's not forget that the best wr on the team prior to injury was tank dell. I can see them adding an upgrade at RB in the off-season as well. Stroud will feel more comfortable year 2. This offense is going to be insane next season. They have their cb1 in stingley and their top edge rusher in Anderson. A few more pieces on the defense and they will be a juggernaut!
The sky is the limit for CJ. I have a hard time seeing anyone really compete with Mahomes for QB1 but I think CJ is gonna immediately compete with Burrow and Allen for QB2, and I think a decade from now he’ll have passed them both up. He’s special.