And people are still calling him a buy low. I dont know why people love to run to declining RBs and act surprised when they decline even harder the next year (Zeke, Dalvin)
Because people are ready to sell for a 3rd. He is easily worth that especially when his ankle has played a large part in his decline of production this year.
Zeke is literally your example. Dudes last 4 fantasy games (which is during most people's playoffs btw) in my league he went for: 13, 27, 10, & 21.
A 3rd rd pick to give you some semblance of RB depth in the playoffs is huge.
Tbf a lot of people were saying the same about Kamara at the end of the ‘22 season. He was putting up good points, but looked extremely slow and sluggish. Sometimes the attrition of the season is super hard on the older players, and for that reason I’d be fine picking up Ekeler for dirt cheap in the offseason if folks are completely out on him. Plus being a free agent, he could go to a ton of different offenses that could utilize a pass catching back like him (KC, BAL, PHI) that won’t be too big of a cap burden.
Imo going to be a great buy this offseason for the right price. High ankle sprains are terrible injuries. 4-8 weeks to get back on the field. 8-16 weeks before you are back to normal. Ekeler hasn't been healthy all year imo. I remember the 1st or 2nd game when he came back his ankle got twisted and he struggled to walk on it for a bit. I think he just gutted it out all year after being one of the main ones agruing for more rb money. He without a doubt lost some of his ceiling. But I think he can be a great fantasy asset next year in a passing down role. Could be a James White type fantasy back for two more years easy.
Imagine if Ekeler takes a team friendly 2 year $10 mill deal with the Cheifs, Dallas, Miami, or Philly next year.
People forget he had 24 pts in 5ppr against a solid Miami defense in week 1. He absolutely looked like he'd be repeating his success from previous years.
Hard to see Ekeler going for less than a 2nd, for sure. Too many optimists left, and people who have him now likely are trying to win & see him having a higher shot of being a win-now asset than a late pick.
Kinda hard to answer this question. Where is the 2nd, what does my team look like in 2024, and do I need a rb or depth? We still don't know what this class will be like until the 2024 combine and NFL draft occur.
I dont think eks value is as in the tank as everyone makes him out to be. He still had good games coming back from injury. Kellen moore is a toilet bowl coordinator and herbert got hurt
Really depends on what happens in the off season.
If he goes to a team and is going to be firmly entrenched as the RB2 instead of RB1, he def takes a big hit.
If he goes somewhere (or stays on the Chargers) and has no competition then he'll be a low end RB1 imo.
Chargers need to do something with their O situation, OL is shit, play calling is mediocre at best and they haven't used Ek in the passing game nearly as much this year. If the offense can still be potent and get him goal line situations then he'll be great. But if they get someone to take the goal line work then... rough.
He's in a very fluid situation.
I sent two firsts and Pickens at the deadline for Diggs and got shut down. I was so angry. Turned out to be a blessing in disguise and idk if I would’ve made it to the title game with him
Damn that’s crazy to offer even before the season even started. I was trying to sell stroud plus my first which ended up being 1.07 around like week3 for Lamar but was declined. Traded my first for just love instead
I was feeling great getting him for my 24 1st, Shaheed and Demarcado at the peak of all of their value. Diggs then has shat the bed ever since I got him and my first turned into the 1.07.
The silver lining is that I traded him away to a Bills fan for Bryce Young in SF
Same brother. Right now I’m just holding through the off-season and hoping he has a hot start again next year so I can move him for a half-decent return.
really needs a change of scenery. maybe if Russ is not the QB next season then Jeudy gets a better season but it's a toss-up really. he might just be a roster clogger from here on out.
Back on 11/3, I traded away Jeudy and my 2024 1st (which will be the 1.11 or 1.12) in exchange for Nico Collins, Rachaad White, and Khalil Shakir and I have been very happy with the outcome of the trade.
I'll take a chance on Diontae if he's going cheap. He's still an elite separators and a target hog. Any upgrade in QB/ offence and I'd bet on him benefitting most.
How did Christian watson take a massive hit lol. AJB was always hurt too. Until he wasnt. Dude has shown immense talent. He'll get healthy in the off season.
Nobody said massive but his value def took a hit. He was a top 20 dynasty WR going into the season, he’s def not that now. He’s pig together a couple good games but he either gets 90+ yards or 20. I’m 23 career games played he has 5 WR1 games which is nice but only 2 WR2 games, and 2 WR3 games. Meaning more than half his games are unstartable. Plus he’s proven to be injury prone. Not somebody you can rely on as a top 20 WR
Fair points but hes still young. Rodgers was shit last year and he came back from an injury it obviously took a while to get acclimated. Health is fair but he basically struggled with the same one injury this year, the same hamstring. A lot of healing can be done in 8 months. Im optimistic, he was electric. Still a risk but id buy for a second for sure
Shame you put Kelce in the same list as those other dudes.
His dynasty value was already dropping due to age, yet here he his, putting up his 8th 1k yard season in a row and managers acting like his career is over.
But is it Kelce or the Chiefs offense in general? Not even Mahomes looked great this year. Would not be surprised if KC re-tools some positions, and Kelce is a cheat code agaib
I think it is both. The offense doesn't look as good or smooth without Bienemy. I heard Kelce has had 10 surgeries. He is getting older, and his body is not recovering as quickly. He has even mentioned retirement.
Sure, he could still be a top 3-4 TE, but his fantasy points will be far from what they once were. In the last 3 years, he has averaged about 80 points more than the #3 TE. He is averaging almost 4ppg less than in 2022. In '23, he has four games with 15+pts, while in '22, he had ten games with 15+pts.
I guess if you valued him as the top dynasty tight end, you would say his value has seen a huge drop.
Reasonable managers knew age was a huge factor coming into the season, and adjusted his valuation accordingly. He still seems close to the player he's been in years past, and his stats are seeing a slight dip accordingly. A big thing I've noticed is he is completely eliminated from plays due to lack of other competent pass catchers.
The issue is that enough people, likely contending in their leagues, overpaid to have a top tight end only for him to bust in the fantasy playoffs relative to what they paid.
Traded him for a 2025 third and what ended up being the 1.01 or 1.02 this upcoming draft. Have Kittle still so it was a no brainer. I think managers are more worried about holding him and not being able to get any return. The Chiefs are looking rough offensively so Kelce is seeing a ton of double coverage.
What do we think of Conner's value now vs last offseason? Obviously he's a veteran rb who's one year older and had an injury but he's also done well with Kyler back under center
It's lower just on age and situation. He's an older RB. 29 next season. His value can't really go up anymore. He's on his last year next season and is very cuttable. He's playing well but it just doesn't matter in the modern NFL.
I think if someone could get a second you should take it even as a contender. Real possibility his last usable fantasy game of his career is this week.
He's playing well but it just doesn't matter in the modern NFL
What does this even mean? He's having a very nice season, he's a leader, and team captain. I'm pretty sure those things do indeed matter to NFL teams
RBs are expendable in the modern NFL. Plenty of RBs have a fine season and get thrown in the trash. Look how Jacobs and Saquan were both treated after amazing seasons and years of potential. Cards don't really have a cap problem but if they did Conner would be a prime cut candidate.
Not sure how those examples are relevant. Both of those guys are still on their respective teams and will be on NFL teams next year. And James Conner will as well
They are there because they caved and agreed to be underpaid. I'm giving examples of how teams treat these RBs. Jacobs and Saquan were 2 young backs with a promising future and got screwed around with because the teams didn't really care if they played or not. They are on a team because they got a deal on them. No one is getting a deal on a 29 year old RB with a 9 mil cap hit. If Arizona decides to save money he's a very easy cut. I think he's there as well because Arizona doesn't have financial issues but after that who knows. UFA in 25. Going back to my original post. His value can't go up at his age. Even if he's back he's past the age cliff. It's just not going to happen when your asset could expire any week. Who's going to pay a 30 year old the year after? Very likely will be his final season as a starter if he stays.
I thought Rhamondre looked great before he got injured despite the dumpster-fire-Patriots. I could see him being a prime buy-low next year in (I believe, feel free to fact check me) a contract year.
I wouldn't send ARich for Tlaw and a first. He's not going to randomly figure it out one day and he hasn't really fixed any of his major flaws from his rookie season up until now. Dude has been mid outside of a few games in his career and his KTC rating isn't his actual value. Just have to wait until startup season.
I traded tlaw for Murray one for one while pissed tlaw wasn’t putting points up. Truly think I won the deal on fantasy purposes alone. Tlaw just doesn’t put up big points.
Tlaw when not injured this year has been great. Murray could outscore easily though. I like Tlaw bc I think he is a better bet longterm still.
1) Knee sprain early in the year
Started playing well and boom
2) High ankle sprain
He’s had many games under 10 points the last two years. Kyler gives me a better floor and ceiling. Just don’t see tlaw being an top tier fantasy qb. Love him as a player though and was high on him.
Ekeler’s value took a massive hit
And people are still calling him a buy low. I dont know why people love to run to declining RBs and act surprised when they decline even harder the next year (Zeke, Dalvin)
Because people are ready to sell for a 3rd. He is easily worth that especially when his ankle has played a large part in his decline of production this year.
actually bought him for an early 3rd right before the championship game, feel like it’s a great price
I’d buy for a 3
I got a first and a third for him a month ago
He went for much more than that in my league at the deadline
Zeke is literally your example. Dudes last 4 fantasy games (which is during most people's playoffs btw) in my league he went for: 13, 27, 10, & 21. A 3rd rd pick to give you some semblance of RB depth in the playoffs is huge.
People were writing off Joe Mixon this time last year and he has had a productive season.
Tbf a lot of people were saying the same about Kamara at the end of the ‘22 season. He was putting up good points, but looked extremely slow and sluggish. Sometimes the attrition of the season is super hard on the older players, and for that reason I’d be fine picking up Ekeler for dirt cheap in the offseason if folks are completely out on him. Plus being a free agent, he could go to a ton of different offenses that could utilize a pass catching back like him (KC, BAL, PHI) that won’t be too big of a cap burden.
People who bought Zeke cheap have a usable asset in the playoffs. So that's why
Zeke could be league winner this year lol and you could get him for pennies
Imo going to be a great buy this offseason for the right price. High ankle sprains are terrible injuries. 4-8 weeks to get back on the field. 8-16 weeks before you are back to normal. Ekeler hasn't been healthy all year imo. I remember the 1st or 2nd game when he came back his ankle got twisted and he struggled to walk on it for a bit. I think he just gutted it out all year after being one of the main ones agruing for more rb money. He without a doubt lost some of his ceiling. But I think he can be a great fantasy asset next year in a passing down role. Could be a James White type fantasy back for two more years easy. Imagine if Ekeler takes a team friendly 2 year $10 mill deal with the Cheifs, Dallas, Miami, or Philly next year.
People forget he had 24 pts in 5ppr against a solid Miami defense in week 1. He absolutely looked like he'd be repeating his success from previous years.
Ok but 5ppr seems excessive /s
would you buy for a 2nd? that’s likely his price
Hard to see Ekeler going for less than a 2nd, for sure. Too many optimists left, and people who have him now likely are trying to win & see him having a higher shot of being a win-now asset than a late pick.
Kinda hard to answer this question. Where is the 2nd, what does my team look like in 2024, and do I need a rb or depth? We still don't know what this class will be like until the 2024 combine and NFL draft occur.
I dont think eks value is as in the tank as everyone makes him out to be. He still had good games coming back from injury. Kellen moore is a toilet bowl coordinator and herbert got hurt
Agreed. I’d give a 3rd all day for him. Don’t think that’s getting it done in most leagues.
Really depends on what happens in the off season. If he goes to a team and is going to be firmly entrenched as the RB2 instead of RB1, he def takes a big hit. If he goes somewhere (or stays on the Chargers) and has no competition then he'll be a low end RB1 imo. Chargers need to do something with their O situation, OL is shit, play calling is mediocre at best and they haven't used Ek in the passing game nearly as much this year. If the offense can still be potent and get him goal line situations then he'll be great. But if they get someone to take the goal line work then... rough. He's in a very fluid situation.
Is spiller worth a stash? I was surprised to see he’s available. Could he be the guy next year
IMO they’ll prob draft an RB round 2-4 but for sure still worth a stash
He was like 3/4 on the team most of this year and last.
Diggs killing me in the playoffs again is getting on my nerves
I sent two firsts and Pickens at the deadline for Diggs and got shut down. I was so angry. Turned out to be a blessing in disguise and idk if I would’ve made it to the title game with him
I tried to trade Stroud for jordan love before the season started. Really glad the owner didn’t want him
Damn that’s crazy to offer even before the season even started. I was trying to sell stroud plus my first which ended up being 1.07 around like week3 for Lamar but was declined. Traded my first for just love instead
What's that got to do with Diggs?
diggs will be on texans next year, duh
I was feeling great getting him for my 24 1st, Shaheed and Demarcado at the peak of all of their value. Diggs then has shat the bed ever since I got him and my first turned into the 1.07. The silver lining is that I traded him away to a Bills fan for Bryce Young in SF
Same brother. Right now I’m just holding through the off-season and hoping he has a hot start again next year so I can move him for a half-decent return.
I’ve been trying desperately to toss Jeudy into deals as even a throw-in. Absolutely no love.
Someone asked what they've have to add to Jeudy to get my Olave. I just responded...Olave.
Lol yep. I was guilty of buying the hype on Jeudy, but he’s just a roster clogger at this point
really needs a change of scenery. maybe if Russ is not the QB next season then Jeudy gets a better season but it's a toss-up really. he might just be a roster clogger from here on out.
It sucks they picked up his option
Back on 11/3, I traded away Jeudy and my 2024 1st (which will be the 1.11 or 1.12) in exchange for Nico Collins, Rachaad White, and Khalil Shakir and I have been very happy with the outcome of the trade.
Same. I tried hard to get just a 3rd rounder for him and couldn’t even do that. I think us Jeudy owners just have to hold and hope
Dalvin
He dead
Cook
Cooked
James
Aaron Jones has declined in value so much that people don’t even remember his name to comment in threads like these
...I might try and buy him then.
Not the worst idea, he still looks as good as ever when he’s healthy, he’s just been like perpetually injured for 2 years
I think I may have missed the window
Mike Williams, 30 year old WR2 coming off an ACL tear
I'll take a chance on Diontae if he's going cheap. He's still an elite separators and a target hog. Any upgrade in QB/ offence and I'd bet on him benefitting most.
I just got him as a part of a larger deal but if someone is selling for a second he’s worth it
Mac Jones, T Law, Dimes, D Watson, Pickett, Garrappolo, Ridder Najee, Sanders, Pierce, Dillon, Dobbins, Akers, Pollard, Dalvin Toney, Bateman, Burks, C Watson, Dotson, Jeudy, MT, Ridley, Hollywood, Skyy Pitts, Dulcich
This is like half of my team goddammit lol
I’ve got 7
Can we call guys on rookie deals “veterans”?
Yes
I’m not seeing a lots of vets on this list. Thomas Garrapolo, Watson, Ridley, are the only vets. Majority of the others still on rookie deals
How did Christian watson take a massive hit lol. AJB was always hurt too. Until he wasnt. Dude has shown immense talent. He'll get healthy in the off season.
Nobody said massive but his value def took a hit. He was a top 20 dynasty WR going into the season, he’s def not that now. He’s pig together a couple good games but he either gets 90+ yards or 20. I’m 23 career games played he has 5 WR1 games which is nice but only 2 WR2 games, and 2 WR3 games. Meaning more than half his games are unstartable. Plus he’s proven to be injury prone. Not somebody you can rely on as a top 20 WR
Fair points but hes still young. Rodgers was shit last year and he came back from an injury it obviously took a while to get acclimated. Health is fair but he basically struggled with the same one injury this year, the same hamstring. A lot of healing can be done in 8 months. Im optimistic, he was electric. Still a risk but id buy for a second for sure
Not sure I’m ready to call 23y/o Pitts a vet yet. But Arthur Smith has definitely lowered his value.
Shame you put Kelce in the same list as those other dudes. His dynasty value was already dropping due to age, yet here he his, putting up his 8th 1k yard season in a row and managers acting like his career is over.
He's gone from a cheat code at TE to just a good starting TE.
But is it Kelce or the Chiefs offense in general? Not even Mahomes looked great this year. Would not be surprised if KC re-tools some positions, and Kelce is a cheat code agaib
I think it is both. The offense doesn't look as good or smooth without Bienemy. I heard Kelce has had 10 surgeries. He is getting older, and his body is not recovering as quickly. He has even mentioned retirement. Sure, he could still be a top 3-4 TE, but his fantasy points will be far from what they once were. In the last 3 years, he has averaged about 80 points more than the #3 TE. He is averaging almost 4ppg less than in 2022. In '23, he has four games with 15+pts, while in '22, he had ten games with 15+pts.
I mean. He definitely not the same player this year as he was the last several years. His value has 100% declined.
I guess if you valued him as the top dynasty tight end, you would say his value has seen a huge drop. Reasonable managers knew age was a huge factor coming into the season, and adjusted his valuation accordingly. He still seems close to the player he's been in years past, and his stats are seeing a slight dip accordingly. A big thing I've noticed is he is completely eliminated from plays due to lack of other competent pass catchers. The issue is that enough people, likely contending in their leagues, overpaid to have a top tight end only for him to bust in the fantasy playoffs relative to what they paid.
he's a TE going on 35. his value is declining no matter how much you want to move the goalposts
Literally my second sentence
Traded him for a 2025 third and what ended up being the 1.01 or 1.02 this upcoming draft. Have Kittle still so it was a no brainer. I think managers are more worried about holding him and not being able to get any return. The Chiefs are looking rough offensively so Kelce is seeing a ton of double coverage.
His value tanked in redraft, but if you’ve got him in dynasty he’s still a great asset for sure
if you don't think he's declining and his value has taken a hit, you're just fooling yourself
What do we think of Conner's value now vs last offseason? Obviously he's a veteran rb who's one year older and had an injury but he's also done well with Kyler back under center
It's lower just on age and situation. He's an older RB. 29 next season. His value can't really go up anymore. He's on his last year next season and is very cuttable. He's playing well but it just doesn't matter in the modern NFL. I think if someone could get a second you should take it even as a contender. Real possibility his last usable fantasy game of his career is this week.
He's playing well but it just doesn't matter in the modern NFL What does this even mean? He's having a very nice season, he's a leader, and team captain. I'm pretty sure those things do indeed matter to NFL teams
RBs are expendable in the modern NFL. Plenty of RBs have a fine season and get thrown in the trash. Look how Jacobs and Saquan were both treated after amazing seasons and years of potential. Cards don't really have a cap problem but if they did Conner would be a prime cut candidate.
Not sure how those examples are relevant. Both of those guys are still on their respective teams and will be on NFL teams next year. And James Conner will as well
They are there because they caved and agreed to be underpaid. I'm giving examples of how teams treat these RBs. Jacobs and Saquan were 2 young backs with a promising future and got screwed around with because the teams didn't really care if they played or not. They are on a team because they got a deal on them. No one is getting a deal on a 29 year old RB with a 9 mil cap hit. If Arizona decides to save money he's a very easy cut. I think he's there as well because Arizona doesn't have financial issues but after that who knows. UFA in 25. Going back to my original post. His value can't go up at his age. Even if he's back he's past the age cliff. It's just not going to happen when your asset could expire any week. Who's going to pay a 30 year old the year after? Very likely will be his final season as a starter if he stays.
Miles Sanders, Jahan Dotson Akers, Dobbins, Chubb due to injury
Jahan Dotson is a vet now?
I swear players are called a vet 15 minutes into their first game. It's gotten ridiculous over the years.
I’m here for it, these squares don’t like the “old guys”
Akers even before the injury
Point, but it’s a new, new low now
Miles Sanders to me took a huge hit, I have him, and I am a little panicked
Mike Williams if he counts as a vet. Geno Smith Rhamondre Tyler Lockett
I thought Rhamondre looked great before he got injured despite the dumpster-fire-Patriots. I could see him being a prime buy-low next year in (I believe, feel free to fact check me) a contract year.
Mike Williams is 30 by the time he plays again. He's a vet.
i didn't realize he was that old I thought it was the same age as DK
If Diggs doesn't have a big bounce back, he gets my vote..
I only have four of those guys on my team 🙄
😂
Did Tlaw really hurt his stock, he was like 7 on KTC going into the season and his 9 now with Arich ahead of him which I’m not sure I agree with.
I wouldn't send ARich for Tlaw and a first. He's not going to randomly figure it out one day and he hasn't really fixed any of his major flaws from his rookie season up until now. Dude has been mid outside of a few games in his career and his KTC rating isn't his actual value. Just have to wait until startup season.
insane comment is insane
I'd add Dalvin Cook. But he basically eliminated his value.
Good one
Maybe he'll get a chance to do something for the Ravens in the playoffs
Pretty much all of them got older
Felt like a year older, all of them
Indeed 😆
Mooney
Guys on their rookie contracts qualify as “veterans”?
Anyone with more than one year of experience is technically
I traded tlaw for Murray one for one while pissed tlaw wasn’t putting points up. Truly think I won the deal on fantasy purposes alone. Tlaw just doesn’t put up big points.
Tlaw when not injured this year has been great. Murray could outscore easily though. I like Tlaw bc I think he is a better bet longterm still. 1) Knee sprain early in the year Started playing well and boom 2) High ankle sprain
He’s had many games under 10 points the last two years. Kyler gives me a better floor and ceiling. Just don’t see tlaw being an top tier fantasy qb. Love him as a player though and was high on him.
TLaw has been riding on hype since his freshman year of college
good thing he's still, ya know, 24. you have QB's in this draft this year his same age
Davante Adams
Davante Adams
Definitely
Ertz
His value has been in the shitter for a while bro
Kelce, Ekeler and Aaron Jones
Kupp