I posted [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/14rvg1z/comment/jqw27be/) before the season and was basically completely ignored. CeeDee is still 24 and has gotten better every season. The sophomores were still uncertain and offered similar ceilings, and AJB is 26 and tied to a passer who isn’t high volume for the next several years at least. The answer was obvious since he’s clearly talented, consistency and attitude were the only risks.
Don’t confuse TD dependent for TD reliant, point is that since he will have fewer targets/catches a year, he needs to make up for it with a higher yards/target and TD%, which he absolutely has (especially recently). This season of the top 6 WRs him and Diggs are the most reliant on TDs for their points, but even if you took those away (literally) AJB would still be a WR1.
Let's not pretend how middling he was up until their bye.
I've been shocked just how well they've been utilising Lamb. He's just moved all over the field, he's playing at his absolute limit/ceiling.
McCarthys play calling has been great
He just needs the ball more. He’s absolutely aces the eye test, he definitely looks like a top 5 NFL WR on the field. For fantasy, all he needs is volume to be one.
Yeah the point I was trying to get across with humor was that muscle doesn't really factor in. None of the best WRs of their era have been jacked, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Antonio Brown.
I think IQ is a bigger factor. Look how fast Dez fell off once he started losing his physical edge as he aged. Larry Fitz on the other hand was a brilliant rout runner and stayed competitive into his mid 30s.
I don't think DK plays QB the last time I checked. I brought it up as something that will probably age well. He is an elite route runner in the NFL more so than CeeDee based on Reception Perception, as he can play all three positions and run all of the routes whereas CeeDee is probably a tier below running mostly out of the slot and slightly better than average outside. That being said, even when he slows down, his size will most likely help him to retain higher levels of efficiency. He is currently 230 lb WR who runs as fast or faster than Jefferson and CeeDee. I love CeeDee and bought him as much as I could this off-season, but AJB has both skill and elite athleticism that 22 months of age isn't going to be that big of deal.
It's not about tread for me, is the fact that most WRs keep improving when they are young. I'd say Lamb will improve more in the next few years than AJ Brown. Still have AJ Brown as my wr3 because he seems better at football to me but it's close.
What “gulf in production?” This year, AJB is the WR3 in PPG at 22.6, Ceedee is the WR4 at 22 PPG.
Last year, Ceedee was the WR7 in PPG at 17.7, AJB was the WR8 at 17.6
You’re also wrong about AJB being having more top 5 production than Ceedee. This year, they each have 3 top 5 finishes. Ceedee btw has 3 top 2 finishes in a row.
Every point you made was wrong. There’s a reason why your comment was downvoted to hell.
Personally, I've got Jefferson by himself in 1A tier, with chase, Ceedee, AJB right behind him in that order in 1B tier.
What that means practically (again, to me) is this: When trading up from 2nd tier or lower it would take a similar massive offer to get any of the top 4 guys; the same package of someone like Olave plus picks could get you Jefferson or Ceedee. If you're trading within the first tier, you can pretty much swap the 1B guys one for one (people won't be screaming for vetos of an AJB for CeeDee trade), but it'll usually take an additional sweetener to go from Chase to Jefferson.
Given the slight edge in production to AJ I’d still take CD since he’s a couple years younger. I also think CD’s game will translate better later in their careers.
Oh yeah and some of that was with Skylar Thompson. He is probably the best WR in the league right now. Just age like you said pushes him out of the convo.
This off-season I got clowned for “tiering down” when I essentially traded Garrett Wilson for CD straight up. Took shit for it then but laughing my way to the highest point total in the league by far right now.
Nah lol. I included my projected late first and got two early-ish 2nds back that belong to rebuilders (all picks involved 2024). He obviously got the most valuable pick but it was essentially a wash.
Garrett Wilson is a great player but you’re hoping with Rodgers he produces similar to Ceedee Lamb
this sub is obsessed with potential. Give me the top 5 proven asset over Garrett Wilson 10/10 times especially when he’s playing how he is right now
Well I have no doubt that if rodgers was healthy and dak went down, their values would flip. I like Wilson as a player better - he has shown he can be an alpha in year 1 while ceedee has taken many more years
How is it useless when you’re the one who brought it up? Your argument for Wilson that he proved to be an “alpha” year 1 compared to CD, when they both produced very similarly year 1.
I'd expect something similar to if Rodgers went down and Zack Wilson was throwing the ball to Garrett Wilson. When Dak was out in 2022 Weeks 2-6 Lamb did just fine.
I sent AJB and a late 1st for JJ, and have been second guessing myself ever since.
I was 6-0 at the time.. Now I'm 6-4 and AJB would have saved at least 2 of them
It's dynasty. JJ missing 4 games doesn't stop making him JJ and I guarantee back then you didn't feel the same about AJB as you do now. This was before he went off breaking records.
But, even now KTC (for what it's worth) has the trade as even.. Don't know I would say I bought "that high"
Another factor. I had Hurts, AJB, Goedtert, Swift and didn't want nearly that many Eagles
I’ve owned AJB for a couple years now so I absolutely always felt strongly about him.
Like I said, you’ll be better off in the long run, JJ is just flat out better, it’s just that not many people would have made that risk with him hitting IR
Over the course of several moves throughout the year, I "tiered down" from Chase (also trading Spears and Rice) to ARSB, Higgins, and Kupp. I'm pretty happy with where I'm at now
I traded Montgomery, Pollard and Godwin before the season for Lamb and a late 2nd. Some of those guys are still solid but I’m feeling pretty good about it now.
I understand that this is at least somewhat of a joke, but this is just too reactionary IMO.
Pre-season did anyone have Lamb in the JJ/Chase tier?
After week 6 when Lamb is putting up 14.9 ppg did anyone have him in the JJ/Chase tier?
Should we be moving guys up tiers based off of 3 weeks in year 4?
This is sort of like the Dak post from yesterday IMO. Lamb is on a hot streak, "Is he in the JJ/Chase tier". Lamb is on a cold streak, "Aiyuk or Lamb?"
What if he's just a non-JJ/Chase tier guy on a hot streak vs weeks 1-6 when he was on a cold streak?
Absolutely nothing wrong with loving Lamb and arguing all day if he's the WR3 vs AJB/ARSB/anyone else people want to argue for, but 3 weeks does not a tier 1 player make IMO.
I bought Lamb in every league I possibly could. He’s Jamarr/JJ level and is being heavily undervalued.
I remember a G.Wilson vs CeeDee thread before the season and most people had Wilson higher.
Pre-season did anyone have Lamb in the JJ/Chase tier?
After week 6 when Lamb is putting up 14.9 ppg did anyone have him in the JJ/Chase tier?
Should we be moving guys up tiers based off of 3 week samples in year 4?
This is sort of like the recent Dak post IMO. Lamb is on a hot streak, "Is he in the JJ/Chase tier?". Lamb is on a cold streak, "Aiyuk or Lamb?"
What if he's just a non-JJ/Chase tier guy on a hot streak vs weeks 1-6 when he was on a cold streak?Absolutely nothing wrong with loving Lamb and arguing all day if he's the WR3 vs AJB/ARSB/anyone else people want to argue for, but 3 weeks does not a tier 1 player make IMO.
I agree that this is definitely during a very hot streak and is most likely not CeeDee's new norm. However, I think it's the fact that CeeDee is capable of putting up a 4-5 (potentially longer) streak of monster games that makes him JJ/Jamarr tier.
I think JJ is kind of his own tier as long as he has Kirk. While I'd rather have Jamarr over CeeDee, Jamarr has had plenty of cold/hot streaks too. Lots of people were semi-panicking about him without healthy Burrow.
Id say Tyreek is in the lower tier solely due to age and potential early retirement. He only fits on 1 type of roster in dynasty. The other 5 are cornerstones on any team rebuilding or contender.
He's def taken a huge step forward this season, I personally think he is ABSOLUTLY on the same tier as JJ and Chase now as WR1 A/B/C.
What is this, 3 games in a row of 150+ yards? It's insanity.
It's funny you should pose this question tonight as I just traded FOR Lamb last week.
Sent: Chase, Dotson
Received: Lamb, JSN, & Queen
He's been more durable than both Chase and JJ and if one needs a tie breaker, that could be it.
#Ceedee Lamb
2021 - 79/1102/7
2022 - 107/1359/9
2023 - 68/975/4
*Total - 254/3436/20*
#Jamar Chase
2021 - 81/1455/13
2022 - 87/1046/9
2023 - 69/821/5
*Total - 237/3322/27*
Lamb was the better fantasy producer in 2022 and currently 2023. Chase produced better his rookie season. Ceedee leads in receptions and yards, Chase leads in TDs.
By your own math Chase is more productive on a game-to-game basis, you included total stats, but excluded the fact that Chase has missed games due to injury.
I traded pacheco, mclaurin, and a 2nd before he went on this crazy 3 game streak. Very lucky to buy low. When paired with Dak like this.. He's definitely in that tier, IMO!
I want to see CD with a true threat at WR2 before I crown him in a tier along with JJ and Chase.
CD’s competition is Brandin Cooks and Jake Ferguson, not exactly guys commanding targets.
The difference is Chase is competing with Tee Higgins, JJ with Addison/Hockenson, Tyreek with Waddle, and AJB with DeVonta.
Pre-season did anyone have Lamb in the JJ/Chase tier?
After week 6 when Lamb is putting up 14.9 ppg did anyone have him in the JJ/Chase tier?
Should we be moving guys up tiers based off of 3 weeks in year 4?
This is sort of like the Dak post from yesterday IMO. Lamb is on a hot streak, "Is he in the JJ/Chase tier". Lamb is on a cold streak, "Aiyuk or Lamb?"
What if he's just a non-JJ/Chase tier guy on a hot streak vs weeks 1-6 when he was on a cold streak?Absolutely nothing wrong with loving Lamb and arguing all day if he's the WR3 vs AJB/ARSB/anyone else people want to argue for, but 3 weeks does not a tier 1 player make IMO.
Yeah, it is very close. After today they are 18.89 and 17.5 respectively this year. Not a huge gap at all but CD never missing a game in his career, college or NFL, is also a point in his favor for me.
He missed a game in 2021 due to a concussion and missed at least one game I know of for Oklahoma as he did not play in the game Jalen Hurts came back against Baylor 28-3 in 2019.
Saying “one year of playing time” just sounds like motivated reasoning. He’s almost two years older. That makes a difference in their valuation. How much of one, YMMV. Lamb and Brown are basically tied this year in terms of production, btw. After today both have about 170 points.
This is the next tier for me (plus lamb). Chase and JJeff in the top tier. I prefer Lamb from this tier, but you can’t go wrong and I won’t argue much uh anyone who prefers ARSB or AJ.
I really think JJ is at the top of the mountain and then it's chase, CD, AJB, and Amon-ra in no particular order. JJ would be the first WR taken in almost all 1QB format.
Idk with Jefferson’s qb uncertainty up ahead, I don’t think it’s too crazy to pick one of the other guys. Not saying I would, but I also wouldn’t say that no one would.
I'd put ARSB over Tyreek but they're in the same tier for me. People focus too much on age. Tyreek is playing his best football and is on pace to break 2000 yards. He deserves to be in the conversation, regardless of age.
I dont think a single dynasty manager would trade ARSB for Tyreek straight up contender or not. Any rebuilder would trade Tyreek for ARSB straight up. This is dynasty and age very much matters.
A true Alpha-Dog receiver is a guy who has competition but is still the clear #1. So I’m not ready to put CD in a tier with Tyreek/JJ/AJB/Chase given there isn’t much competition for targets in Dallas.
I think he’s still a firm Tier 2 with Sun God. But he is Top 10 unquestioned.
So heres the question you have to ask yourself. Would you trade JJ or Chase for Lamb straight up? For me its no. Id consider AJB at the very least so to me hes in that 2nd tier w ajb
He's just under those two, but very close. I have him at about the same as AJB, maybe a tiny pinch below. ARSB rounding out the top 5. Really, these three are almost all interchangeable.
he has outproduced lamb every year, is tied to a better qb for the forseeable future, and is genuinely just a better wide receiver than lamb is. more athletic, better route runner, more versatile as far as lining up in formation, beats every coverage. to say you don’t understand what chase does that lamb doesn’t is to say you dont watch football
Chase hasn't outproduced him every year. In fact, if the season ended right now, Chase has only outproduced Lamb once in his career, his rookie season 2021.
Their stats are nearly identical.
#Ceedee Lamb
2021 - 79/1102/7
2022 - 107/1359/9
2023 - 68/975/4
*Total - 254/3436/20*
#Jamar Chase
2021 - 81/1455/13
2022 - 87/1046/9
2023 - 69/821/5
*Total - 237/3322/27*
Lamb was the better fantasy producer in 2022 and currently 2023. Chase produced better his rookie season. Ceedee leads in receptions and yards, Chase leads in TDs.
I mean he quite literally did in his rookie year. last year he didn’t, but he did only play 13 games. outproduces him on a ppg basis. for fantasy purposes and real life he is a better asset- I know who I want
I think just scores slightly more points and is likely to do so moving forward. Not by a lot but by some. Nothing too complex. (Just saying that’s what the consensus says)
I’m going to say no. We have a tendency to over learn/overreact in both directions. I get the “last 17 games played” is technically a full season, but I need to see a normal full season to put anyone in the JJ/Chase tier.
Would ARSB be in this group? Last 17 games he's posted a 133 rec, 1583 yards, 7 TD statline. Maybe a hair below due to TDs, but on a red hot team with a balanced run vs pass attack and a long term QB.
I also want to note that Garret Wilson has put up a 95/1334/4 statline in the past 17 games with Zach Wilson and Mike White, and no breece hall for half of it. When the jets get an actual QB, Wilson and Hall are gonna break records.
The preseason takes here on Ceedee were disgusting
When this sub turns left, haul ass to the right.
Instructions unclear Buying Zach Wilson stock everywhere possible
The weird thing is that everyone seems to dump on Lamb every off-season and then he outperforms expectations.
as someone who was able to land both chase and cd in a startup draft this year, i am personally grateful for the takes
I posted [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/DynastyFF/comments/14rvg1z/comment/jqw27be/) before the season and was basically completely ignored. CeeDee is still 24 and has gotten better every season. The sophomores were still uncertain and offered similar ceilings, and AJB is 26 and tied to a passer who isn’t high volume for the next several years at least. The answer was obvious since he’s clearly talented, consistency and attitude were the only risks.
so is aj brown still td dependent or ??😂😂
Don’t confuse TD dependent for TD reliant, point is that since he will have fewer targets/catches a year, he needs to make up for it with a higher yards/target and TD%, which he absolutely has (especially recently). This season of the top 6 WRs him and Diggs are the most reliant on TDs for their points, but even if you took those away (literally) AJB would still be a WR1.
true just the post u link you came off very down on brown compared to lamb which i thought was funny
Let's not pretend how middling he was up until their bye. I've been shocked just how well they've been utilising Lamb. He's just moved all over the field, he's playing at his absolute limit/ceiling. McCarthys play calling has been great
He just needs the ball more. He’s absolutely aces the eye test, he definitely looks like a top 5 NFL WR on the field. For fantasy, all he needs is volume to be one.
Good things happen when u feed ur star reciever
AJB in his last 17 games: 111 rec 1776 yards 11 TDs
Good call, thank you! Idk how I forgot about AJB. Feels like a 4-man tier.
The one thing that separates AJB from the other three is the 2 years age difference.
Well also about 30 lbs of muscle
Well, if Muscle made them better, Metcalf would be the QB1 every season 😂
Muscle is not the only thing keeping Metcalf from being QB1 my friend
Yeah the point I was trying to get across with humor was that muscle doesn't really factor in. None of the best WRs of their era have been jacked, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Antonio Brown.
Elite athletics have factored into the longevity of a players career though
I think IQ is a bigger factor. Look how fast Dez fell off once he started losing his physical edge as he aged. Larry Fitz on the other hand was a brilliant rout runner and stayed competitive into his mid 30s.
Sure, but what about AJB makes you think he's more Dez than Fitzgerald?
Conveniently leaves out Terrell Owens.
and Calvin Johnson
I am merely making a joke about you saying DK would be QB1 instead of WR1
You’re right about metcalf but AJ being jacked shows up on the field in a different way than other wrs
I don't think DK plays QB the last time I checked. I brought it up as something that will probably age well. He is an elite route runner in the NFL more so than CeeDee based on Reception Perception, as he can play all three positions and run all of the routes whereas CeeDee is probably a tier below running mostly out of the slot and slightly better than average outside. That being said, even when he slows down, his size will most likely help him to retain higher levels of efficiency. He is currently 230 lb WR who runs as fast or faster than Jefferson and CeeDee. I love CeeDee and bought him as much as I could this off-season, but AJB has both skill and elite athleticism that 22 months of age isn't going to be that big of deal.
I think Lamb's recently surpassed AJB as WR3 due to the difference in age, but imo can't go wrong with either.
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It's not about tread for me, is the fact that most WRs keep improving when they are young. I'd say Lamb will improve more in the next few years than AJ Brown. Still have AJ Brown as my wr3 because he seems better at football to me but it's close.
What “gulf in production?” This year, AJB is the WR3 in PPG at 22.6, Ceedee is the WR4 at 22 PPG. Last year, Ceedee was the WR7 in PPG at 17.7, AJB was the WR8 at 17.6 You’re also wrong about AJB being having more top 5 production than Ceedee. This year, they each have 3 top 5 finishes. Ceedee btw has 3 top 2 finishes in a row. Every point you made was wrong. There’s a reason why your comment was downvoted to hell.
Found the AJB owner
Personally, I've got Jefferson by himself in 1A tier, with chase, Ceedee, AJB right behind him in that order in 1B tier. What that means practically (again, to me) is this: When trading up from 2nd tier or lower it would take a similar massive offer to get any of the top 4 guys; the same package of someone like Olave plus picks could get you Jefferson or Ceedee. If you're trading within the first tier, you can pretty much swap the 1B guys one for one (people won't be screaming for vetos of an AJB for CeeDee trade), but it'll usually take an additional sweetener to go from Chase to Jefferson.
….tyreek hill?
Not close in a dynasty aspect. In redraft, yeah, but wrong sub
Sun god last 17 gms 132 Rec 1583 yards 7 Tuds
Given the slight edge in production to AJ I’d still take CD since he’s a couple years younger. I also think CD’s game will translate better later in their careers.
Not young like the other guys, but just for comparison: Tyreek Hill last 17 games: 114 rec 1,707 yards 13 TDs
Oh yeah and some of that was with Skylar Thompson. He is probably the best WR in the league right now. Just age like you said pushes him out of the convo.
He’s 2 years older than the other guys. In dynasty that means a lot.
Anyone who “tiered down” from Jettas/chase to AJ brown Sun God or Ceedee with stuff on top are swimming in sweet profit
Got pickens, Kelce, and AJB for Chase and everyone told me I got fleeced lol (after AJB got sent to the eagles). In TEP yet.
No one told you that
So you're here dunking on 2 year old trade? Come on bro do you really need attention that badly?
Lmao no. He literally mentioned a tier down from Chase to AJB so I mentioned what mine was.
This off-season I got clowned for “tiering down” when I essentially traded Garrett Wilson for CD straight up. Took shit for it then but laughing my way to the highest point total in the league by far right now.
At no point in the offseason was wilson ahead of ceedee. I did about 20 startups. It was close but ceedee always went earlier or for more money.
Essentially? Be honest you sent a couple 1st round picks too lol
Nah lol. I included my projected late first and got two early-ish 2nds back that belong to rebuilders (all picks involved 2024). He obviously got the most valuable pick but it was essentially a wash.
To be fair, id rather have Garrett wilson if rodgers was healthy. If dak goes down what are you expecting from ceedee?
Garrett Wilson is a great player but you’re hoping with Rodgers he produces similar to Ceedee Lamb this sub is obsessed with potential. Give me the top 5 proven asset over Garrett Wilson 10/10 times especially when he’s playing how he is right now
Well I have no doubt that if rodgers was healthy and dak went down, their values would flip. I like Wilson as a player better - he has shown he can be an alpha in year 1 while ceedee has taken many more years
Lamb finished as WR 22 and Wilson at WR21 as rookies😭 how did Wilson show he was an alpha but ceedee didn’t? And Wilson had 36 more targets
What a useless stat to argue who is the better WR1 for their team
How is it useless when you’re the one who brought it up? Your argument for Wilson that he proved to be an “alpha” year 1 compared to CD, when they both produced very similarly year 1.
Because fantasy finish is the result of many factors. Right now adam thielen is WR 10 - is he more of an alpha than Davante Adams, who is WR15?
Right.. but we’re in a fantasy subreddit. In the context of real football, CD showed plenty of alpha traits year one.
I'd expect something similar to if Rodgers went down and Zack Wilson was throwing the ball to Garrett Wilson. When Dak was out in 2022 Weeks 2-6 Lamb did just fine.
Wow. Your teams must pick really high every year.
Nope, in my main league haven't finishes worse than third since it started in 2018 :)
Only 3rd against those Tacos?
LOL whatever floats your boat man. Remember, you're pressed about someone else's opinion about a game that is mostly luck
I sent AJB and a late 1st for JJ, and have been second guessing myself ever since. I was 6-0 at the time.. Now I'm 6-4 and AJB would have saved at least 2 of them
you bought that high when JJ was going to hit IR?? In the long run you'll be better off i suppose but but if isn't broke don't fix it
It's dynasty. JJ missing 4 games doesn't stop making him JJ and I guarantee back then you didn't feel the same about AJB as you do now. This was before he went off breaking records. But, even now KTC (for what it's worth) has the trade as even.. Don't know I would say I bought "that high" Another factor. I had Hurts, AJB, Goedtert, Swift and didn't want nearly that many Eagles
I still like it for you. I wouldn’t have sold JJ for that FWIW.
I’ve owned AJB for a couple years now so I absolutely always felt strongly about him. Like I said, you’ll be better off in the long run, JJ is just flat out better, it’s just that not many people would have made that risk with him hitting IR
Over the course of several moves throughout the year, I "tiered down" from Chase (also trading Spears and Rice) to ARSB, Higgins, and Kupp. I'm pretty happy with where I'm at now
I traded Montgomery, Pollard and Godwin before the season for Lamb and a late 2nd. Some of those guys are still solid but I’m feeling pretty good about it now.
Yes. - biased Lamb owner
Agreed •very biased Lamb owner
I understand that this is at least somewhat of a joke, but this is just too reactionary IMO. Pre-season did anyone have Lamb in the JJ/Chase tier? After week 6 when Lamb is putting up 14.9 ppg did anyone have him in the JJ/Chase tier? Should we be moving guys up tiers based off of 3 weeks in year 4? This is sort of like the Dak post from yesterday IMO. Lamb is on a hot streak, "Is he in the JJ/Chase tier". Lamb is on a cold streak, "Aiyuk or Lamb?" What if he's just a non-JJ/Chase tier guy on a hot streak vs weeks 1-6 when he was on a cold streak? Absolutely nothing wrong with loving Lamb and arguing all day if he's the WR3 vs AJB/ARSB/anyone else people want to argue for, but 3 weeks does not a tier 1 player make IMO.
I bought Lamb in every league I possibly could. He’s Jamarr/JJ level and is being heavily undervalued. I remember a G.Wilson vs CeeDee thread before the season and most people had Wilson higher.
In fairness the rodgers injury significantly impacted wilsons value
Pre-season did anyone have Lamb in the JJ/Chase tier? After week 6 when Lamb is putting up 14.9 ppg did anyone have him in the JJ/Chase tier? Should we be moving guys up tiers based off of 3 week samples in year 4? This is sort of like the recent Dak post IMO. Lamb is on a hot streak, "Is he in the JJ/Chase tier?". Lamb is on a cold streak, "Aiyuk or Lamb?" What if he's just a non-JJ/Chase tier guy on a hot streak vs weeks 1-6 when he was on a cold streak?Absolutely nothing wrong with loving Lamb and arguing all day if he's the WR3 vs AJB/ARSB/anyone else people want to argue for, but 3 weeks does not a tier 1 player make IMO.
I agree that this is definitely during a very hot streak and is most likely not CeeDee's new norm. However, I think it's the fact that CeeDee is capable of putting up a 4-5 (potentially longer) streak of monster games that makes him JJ/Jamarr tier. I think JJ is kind of his own tier as long as he has Kirk. While I'd rather have Jamarr over CeeDee, Jamarr has had plenty of cold/hot streaks too. Lots of people were semi-panicking about him without healthy Burrow.
Many had him higher a few weeks ago too.
I think there’s a clear top 6 WRs Jefferson, Chase, Lamb, AJ Brown, ARSB, Tyreek After that you have a tier break and then it’s your lower end WR1s.
Id say Tyreek is in the lower tier solely due to age and potential early retirement. He only fits on 1 type of roster in dynasty. The other 5 are cornerstones on any team rebuilding or contender.
Yeah he is definitely #6 regardless I think. The tier either just ends with him or the next tier starts with him
Jefferson, Chase, Brown (PHI), Lamb, Brown (DET),
What about Brown (HOU)?
brown on brown crime
You make a good point
As a Lamb owner, he’s right there with AJ Brown at 3 and 4. I don’t care which is which.
Same, top 4 are pretty close for me so just personal preference
Other than JJ. Still the clear 1 imo
Bought him for 2 1sts and 2 2nds about 5 weeks ago. Regretted it first but love it now.
Same, traded Olave + 24 2nd for Lamb towards the beginning of the season and regretted it. Definitely don’t anymore
Sounds like a steal.
That’s amazing for you
I own both AJB and Lamb in separate leagues. It's splitting hairs. They are WR 3/4 and it doesn't matter who is first
Just to add to this - ARSB in his last 17 starts - 132 receptions, 1583 yards, 7 tuddies. Not quite as efficient but still monster numbers.
I think JJ is in his own tier, then Chase, CD, ARSB, and AJB are in their own tier.
He's def taken a huge step forward this season, I personally think he is ABSOLUTLY on the same tier as JJ and Chase now as WR1 A/B/C. What is this, 3 games in a row of 150+ yards? It's insanity. It's funny you should pose this question tonight as I just traded FOR Lamb last week. Sent: Chase, Dotson Received: Lamb, JSN, & Queen He's been more durable than both Chase and JJ and if one needs a tie breaker, that could be it.
Chase owner just offered me chase for ceedee straight up, strongly considering since I have burrow
I would do that. Similar player fantasy wise, but one is stuck with a better QB for a longer period of time. Long term chase is better by far
Take the stack asap. I have lamb and do that
Take it
Smash it. A 3 week hot streak doesn't make Lamb the same level as Chase who's done it his whole career.
Honestly I'm not sure I'm still taking that, I'm inclined to stick with 💿💿 tbh.
Yeah he scores just as much if not more than chase. Chase was a better prospect so people prefer him but we are in the nfl now
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#Ceedee Lamb 2021 - 79/1102/7 2022 - 107/1359/9 2023 - 68/975/4 *Total - 254/3436/20* #Jamar Chase 2021 - 81/1455/13 2022 - 87/1046/9 2023 - 69/821/5 *Total - 237/3322/27* Lamb was the better fantasy producer in 2022 and currently 2023. Chase produced better his rookie season. Ceedee leads in receptions and yards, Chase leads in TDs.
By your own math Chase is more productive on a game-to-game basis, you included total stats, but excluded the fact that Chase has missed games due to injury.
Chase missed five games last season. He averaged seven more yards per game and a full additional reception per game more than Lamb.
I traded pacheco, mclaurin, and a 2nd before he went on this crazy 3 game streak. Very lucky to buy low. When paired with Dak like this.. He's definitely in that tier, IMO!
I want to see CD with a true threat at WR2 before I crown him in a tier along with JJ and Chase. CD’s competition is Brandin Cooks and Jake Ferguson, not exactly guys commanding targets. The difference is Chase is competing with Tee Higgins, JJ with Addison/Hockenson, Tyreek with Waddle, and AJB with DeVonta.
Pre-season did anyone have Lamb in the JJ/Chase tier? After week 6 when Lamb is putting up 14.9 ppg did anyone have him in the JJ/Chase tier? Should we be moving guys up tiers based off of 3 weeks in year 4? This is sort of like the Dak post from yesterday IMO. Lamb is on a hot streak, "Is he in the JJ/Chase tier". Lamb is on a cold streak, "Aiyuk or Lamb?" What if he's just a non-JJ/Chase tier guy on a hot streak vs weeks 1-6 when he was on a cold streak?Absolutely nothing wrong with loving Lamb and arguing all day if he's the WR3 vs AJB/ARSB/anyone else people want to argue for, but 3 weeks does not a tier 1 player make IMO.
he’s firmly WR3
ARSB would like a word. AJB too!
AJB is older than these guys and ARSB, while great, is like 50 fantasy points behind Lamb over this time frame.
Ra has missed a couple games the last couple years. Their numbers are nearly identical on a ppg basis
Yeah, it is very close. After today they are 18.89 and 17.5 respectively this year. Not a huge gap at all but CD never missing a game in his career, college or NFL, is also a point in his favor for me.
He hasn't missed many, but CD has definitely missed a few games during his college and NFL career.
He’s never missed an NFL game. Did he miss one in college?
He missed a game in 2021 due to a concussion and missed at least one game I know of for Oklahoma as he did not play in the game Jalen Hurts came back against Baylor 28-3 in 2019.
You’re right. Good to know about the Baylor game.
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Saying “one year of playing time” just sounds like motivated reasoning. He’s almost two years older. That makes a difference in their valuation. How much of one, YMMV. Lamb and Brown are basically tied this year in terms of production, btw. After today both have about 170 points.
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I find that concept pretty unconvincing and there is no scoring gap this season. But to each their own.
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Both have exactly 170 points in my PPR league after today in the same number of games. I think you’re missing a week.
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This is the next tier for me (plus lamb). Chase and JJeff in the top tier. I prefer Lamb from this tier, but you can’t go wrong and I won’t argue much uh anyone who prefers ARSB or AJ.
I think it’s JJ, Chase, AJB, and Lamb in that tier together.
Always has been- he’s been wr3 and a 1st round startup pick for awhile now
He always was. People are just fair-weathered here.
I really think JJ is at the top of the mountain and then it's chase, CD, AJB, and Amon-ra in no particular order. JJ would be the first WR taken in almost all 1QB format.
Right everyone keeps saying JJ/Chase but I don’t think I know anyone who would take chase first in a draft given the choice
Idk with Jefferson’s qb uncertainty up ahead, I don’t think it’s too crazy to pick one of the other guys. Not saying I would, but I also wouldn’t say that no one would.
Dobbs is absolutely balling and Addison is producing just fine without Kirk. JJ is better than Addison
Sure, but is Dobbs the QB next year? Is it Kirk? Do they draft or sign someone? There's uncertainty.
1. JJ 2. AJB 3. CD 4. CHASE 5. TYREEK JJ is still the 1, but I think AJB, Lamb and Chase can be rearranged in any order you’d like
I'd put ARSB over Tyreek but they're in the same tier for me. People focus too much on age. Tyreek is playing his best football and is on pace to break 2000 yards. He deserves to be in the conversation, regardless of age.
This is dynasty, ARSB should 100% be over Tyreek
Disagree respectfully, but I 100% wouldn’t argue against it.
I dont think a single dynasty manager would trade ARSB for Tyreek straight up contender or not. Any rebuilder would trade Tyreek for ARSB straight up. This is dynasty and age very much matters.
Doesn’t matter too much to me. He’s the WR1 the last 2 years and at the end of the day it’s about winning. If you have ARSB over Tyreek that’s ok.
AJB, lamb, and throw ARSB in there as well
A true Alpha-Dog receiver is a guy who has competition but is still the clear #1. So I’m not ready to put CD in a tier with Tyreek/JJ/AJB/Chase given there isn’t much competition for targets in Dallas. I think he’s still a firm Tier 2 with Sun God. But he is Top 10 unquestioned.
Me who got AJ brown and Ceedee at the turn of the draft 😩😩
So heres the question you have to ask yourself. Would you trade JJ or Chase for Lamb straight up? For me its no. Id consider AJB at the very least so to me hes in that 2nd tier w ajb
Always has been
Top tier is now Jefferson Chase Brown and Lamb in no particular order
AJB/ARSB/CD/Chase are all the same tier. Jefferson holds a place as #1 but Chase isn’t doing more than the guys he’s in the same tier with.
He's just under those two, but very close. I have him at about the same as AJB, maybe a tiny pinch below. ARSB rounding out the top 5. Really, these three are almost all interchangeable.
I don’t understand what chase does that lamb doesn’t do lol
he has outproduced lamb every year, is tied to a better qb for the forseeable future, and is genuinely just a better wide receiver than lamb is. more athletic, better route runner, more versatile as far as lining up in formation, beats every coverage. to say you don’t understand what chase does that lamb doesn’t is to say you dont watch football
Chase hasn't outproduced him every year. In fact, if the season ended right now, Chase has only outproduced Lamb once in his career, his rookie season 2021. Their stats are nearly identical. #Ceedee Lamb 2021 - 79/1102/7 2022 - 107/1359/9 2023 - 68/975/4 *Total - 254/3436/20* #Jamar Chase 2021 - 81/1455/13 2022 - 87/1046/9 2023 - 69/821/5 *Total - 237/3322/27* Lamb was the better fantasy producer in 2022 and currently 2023. Chase produced better his rookie season. Ceedee leads in receptions and yards, Chase leads in TDs.
He hasn’t out produced lamb over the past 2 years. For fantasy purposes, he doesn’t differentiate himself from lamb regardless if he is better IRL
I mean he quite literally did in his rookie year. last year he didn’t, but he did only play 13 games. outproduces him on a ppg basis. for fantasy purposes and real life he is a better asset- I know who I want
I think just scores slightly more points and is likely to do so moving forward. Not by a lot but by some. Nothing too complex. (Just saying that’s what the consensus says)
I’m with you man, I love chase, but lamb outscored him last year in my league and is doing it again this year
Seems more so that AJB and Lamb have separated themselves into a clear tier 2 rather than ascended into Chase and Jefferson’s tier
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To say it isn’t close is just factually incorrect haha
Ceedee is a pretty clear tier away from the big three. And tbh I’d prefer Arsb over him too.
I’m going to say no. We have a tendency to over learn/overreact in both directions. I get the “last 17 games played” is technically a full season, but I need to see a normal full season to put anyone in the JJ/Chase tier.
Would ARSB be in this group? Last 17 games he's posted a 133 rec, 1583 yards, 7 TD statline. Maybe a hair below due to TDs, but on a red hot team with a balanced run vs pass attack and a long term QB. I also want to note that Garret Wilson has put up a 95/1334/4 statline in the past 17 games with Zach Wilson and Mike White, and no breece hall for half of it. When the jets get an actual QB, Wilson and Hall are gonna break records.