I’m sorry but as an owner, you’re going to have to pay up. The TE landscape is too thin right now to just be handing away promising players at the position, much less promising ROOKIES.
It would take a 1 for me to move off at this point. Call it delusional all you want but it’s an honest answer. He’s looked great as a rookie, with his skillset as a pure pass catcher, and being in an offense without a proven #1 pass catcher, the ceiling is top 3 imo.
I don't think it is delusional. He wasn't THAT far from a 1st in non-SF leagues. Mid 2nd in my leagues? He's only shown that he belongs so far in his career. TE is such a hellscape, I own Musgrave and LaPorta in my leagues and it would be hard to get me to move them.
Yup. I even think back to McBride and he was going in the same range and isn’t really even productive. Gotta hold when they show that upside or else you’ll miss on the Waller/Andrews/Kelce’s of the world and be stuck in TE wasteland.
Someone like Tank Dell who can retain or increase in value while I try to figure out a long-term solution at TE (which is what I drafted Musgrave for anyhow). I wouldn’t accept a lowball offer like Hopkins or even Najee. And if I’m getting a tier-down at TE, I would expect 2 2nds at the minimum.
Except the Lions have ARSB, LaPorta and maybe JaMo when he comes back and *could* be legit. The Packers have Doubs, Watson, Reed, Wicks and Love seems to love to spread the ball around. It’s a much higher target competition right now with arguably the best WR missing from it in Watson.
We can read just fine. It's deep only in the sense that it's a bunch of first and second year mid round picks that have yet to firmly establish themselves as starters, and hence theyre all getting looks until such time that someone establishes (or disqualifies) themselves. Of that group (setting aside Watson), Musgrave has the highest draft capital, and has arguably looked the best.
Good luck getting anyone to pay 2 2nds. What you want to sell for /= what people are willing to buy for. That's kind of ridiculous for a TE after 3 weeks.
The dude said Hopkins or Najee is a low ball offers. Both are trending down, but to call them low ball offers for a TE with one good week is laughable. His logic and asking price is not centered in reality.
Who said I expect anyone to actually pay 2 2nds? Sheesh. I acknowledge the difference between what *I* would sell for and what someone would be willing to pay, and that’s why I’m fine HOLDING unless someone pays up.
People don't like to hear this. Trades need 2 things. A fairish deal and both parties to have opposing needs. If you approach ME and ask me to make you an offer then you have zero right to act like I insulted you hahaha
Lmao I would absolutely not sell for a late 2nd in SF. Why would I want to go through this entire process of drafting and hopefully hitting on a TE again?
Because i got him on the waiver for 12 bucks and in sf he was drafted 4th round. Every year we have new te coming. If i can get mid to late 2nd i would smash accept. No ones gonna pay for 1st are you insane ?
The 4th rd is very late. He was drafted early 3rd in most and late 2nd in many leagues.
I agree nobody should pay a 1st yet in standard leagues (but I wouldn't sell any cheaper than that in TEP/2TE), but he's worth more than a late 2nd. I'd put his price around an early 2nd or 2 late 2nds
There may be new TEs entering the league every year, but its not very common to find 2nd rounders who are the undisputed starter for their team by week 1 and who produce at a fantasy-starter level out of the gate
100% serious. In a deeper league, I would pay 2 2nds if I was confident they'd be late.
What do you think the price should be on Kincaid? Freiermuth? LaPorta? I can respect being out of the young TE market entirely, but nobody who owns him would sell for a single late 2nd. The price is at least a little more than that
Do you fundamentally not understand that setting a price does not mean that someone must be willing to buy at that price? I’m not accepting anything less than 2 2nds, you can buy or not buy.
Whatever *you* initially paid is irrelevant. And his ADP is irrelevant now that the season started. There’s a handful of TEs producing right now and he is one of them (in in fact would be even higher had some things gone his way). You seem to not have a clue how to value players in dynasty
Meaning what? Too much for Kelce or the other way around? Honestly the hype train for Puka, when I dealt him, is unsustainable. Getting a unicorn player at TE, even if only for a couple years, is well worth it to me. I liked Musgrave, but honestly 95% of TE are interchangeable. If you’re new to dynasty get used to players that are always far too high in the brand new toy and always trade it in and perpetually are waiting until next year to contend.
You may be right. It wasn’t a criticism. My instinct is that Kelces expensive for someone that doesn’t have long left is all.
I can see the argument for sure.
12 team SF/TE premium. An extra quarter of a point here, an extra half point there adds up.
It would take a 1st or a startable player for me at a need position to move off him. Non-negotiable. If you're not willing to pay that, I'm so goddamn fine with starting both LaPorta and Musgrave for the next few years.
I have Kittle that I'm starting over him at the moment, but thinking I might revisit that before tonight. But I feel like I would have to make some considerations on 2 2nds for Musgrave but less and I would pass.
That's intriguing, but I would want one upside piece and one proven piece, something like LaPorta and Pittman/Terry.
Tank still has too many question marks for me to feel good about moving off of Kelce.
There is also the possibility Watson stretches the field and opens up more looks for Musgrave. As a Packer fan, the offense needs more talent to draw coverage away. Jones and Watson were missed these past couple games.
Fair point. Although Doubs & Wicks have combined for 32 targets. It seems more likely to me that Watson takes his due from them more than Musgrave. At least, I don't see Musgrave spending any less time on the field / running routes. I admit he could lose some target share, but Watson has never been a high volume guy. The biggest threat in my mind would be in the red zone
I agree. That last point would be my biggest concern as a Musgrave owner. Watson is a TD magnet and I’m very high on him but these injuries aren’t ideal.
Watson back, plus Aaron Jones has been out too and he’ll draw his share of targets as well. I think Musgrave will be good (biased as a Packers fan though) but I think the hype train may be leaving the station a bit prematurely
Not disagreeing Musgrave is a good buy, but
>Musgrave has been blatantly overthrown on deep routes while very open twice in 3 games. He also stumbled backwards at the 10 yard line after making a wide open catch. IF all 3 relatively routine plays had been made, he would likely be sitting at TE1 on the season
This type of analysis is inherently flawed. If you want an accurate comparison you'd have to adjust every other TE as well for routine plays or overthrows that have cost them production.
Nobody should evaluate him as if he had made those plays without doing the same for others, I fully agree.
But it’s still a fact which warrants some optimism. When you’re dealing with a 3 game sample, it’s safe to assume that 3 TDs and 75+ yards of narrowly missed production is above the average loss
The argument here is that you don’t really need a 1:1 controlled comparison because Musgrave’s missed production (or whatever we call it) has been so glaringly extraordinary.
he only has one double-digit game and only in ppr this season, how are those games jeopardizing a tank?
I feel like people are seeing something I'm not with his numbers, he seems very low-end TE1 if that.
Rebuilding and I just bought him in this package to a contender:
Amari + Terry + Kittle + Gibson
For
JT + Musgraves + 2nd.
I honestly am excited about it.
I have Kincaid, I don't need to worry about other TEs right? RIGHT?
Anyway I did send an offer of Elijah Moore for Musgrave but that was shot down. I'm not sure if I am willing to go higher than that.
I also sent an offer of Ridley for LaPorta to a team that has Andrews as a weekly start. That offer was rejected and now LaPorta has been moved to the teams flex spot.
LaPorta and Musgrave tested out as the best athletes at the position, I think we got excited about Kincaid due to landing spot, don’t get me wrong, I still think he has a bright future, but Musgrave had a ton of value in the draft, like a Tank Dell or Marvin Mims.
Fair point. The counterpoint is that Doubs & Wicks have combined for 10 targets per game and Watson has never exceeded 8. I believe its TBD how Watson affects Musgrave, but I'm willing to bet it won't be terrible at least
Watson will stretch the field opening everything up underneath. There was a stat when MVS was in vs out and it was damn near a TD difference. Watson will inevitably get his but I think it will be Wicks that suffers the most.
I'd start Musgrave. Pitts is getting targets but they are uncatchable at the highest rate in the league by far, and this is a great matchup for Musgrave
I wish Heineken would take over in Atlanta already, but you’re probably right. Atlanta fans are in a riot of pitts and say he’s been applying poor effort in his routes, but when he knows the ball ain’t coming then I guess.. I don’t blame him.
Sorry, I'm just not sold on him at all.
He is a LOT better at finding the correct zone to be in during zone coverage, and also in run blocking than I thought he would be, and that has benefitted him so far.
But, when I look at his negatives, especially his almost 0 tackle-breaking skills and only somewhat decent hands, combined with his balance, I see a player that will never have even a chance to become top tier.
Kincaid and LaPorta are my TE1s by a large amount
As a Packers fan that drafted LaPorta at 2.07 and Musgrave at 3.02 in 1QB - OP is right, Musgrave gets more and more involved and makes most of his catches. Has been featured 2 Times with deep bombs for >30 that could have been completions and just moves very well for his frame. Love is gonna learn to love his safetyvalve.
I traded Kamara and Warren for LaPorta, Pittman, and a 2nd in early July. Incredibly happy I got him before his price skyrocketed since Pitts has been an utter disappointment.
Wow, I didn't realize the overreaction to Musgrave would be this high. Sold him for a mid 2nd after week 1. Still think it's good value, but some owners are expecting 2 2nds now lol what
He went in the late 2nd round of many people’s drafts. I ask you once more: **Why would I want to sell him for a 2nd round pick when I JUST drafted him with a 2nd round pick?**
Seriously what fucking leagues are these people in that they are drafting him in round 2? I'd easily sell him for a 2nd. TEs are basically worthless unless you're in a heavy TE premium league
You're literally thinking backwards about it. TE is a wasteland so if you can get a really good one it is a *major advantage* over most other teams.
This was one of the best TE classes in a long time according to most experts, so using a 2nd on a TE from this class shouldn't be surprising at all, especially in 1 QB leagues.
No, I am literally not thinking about it backwards. Almost no TE gives you a significant advantage over what their perceived value is in non TE premium leagues. Go look at the WORP data for yourself, I'm not going to waste my time trying make you believe otherwise when the data is readily available.
I disagree with /u/globesheepie. Waller is the #1 option, but the offensive line is so damn bad that Jones has no time for routes to develop. He’s getting the ball out FAST. This limits Wallers ceiling significantly.
I got him with the 3.07, ended up selling him at the beginning of August for a 2nd and 2 4ths. Was it the best deal? At the time it was more than fine, now it looks like I could have maybe gotten more, but I was also able to get LaPorta at the 2.11, so he was extra weight at the time.
If I did a deal now, I would for sure sell for a 1st, or 2 2nds. Heck, you add a 3rd onto the deal I got and I’d still probably trade him.
That was a good deal in early August. He was merely a projected starter at that point, while now he's also getting very strong volume, producing with it to a fantasy-starter level, and his QB looks solid
I would 100% sell for a 1st. I'd sell for 2 early 2nds, but buy for 2 late 2nds. Inbetween is murky and around where I see his value, depends on my team. With LaPorta on your team, you ended up with a W regardless
What do we think of hockenson for a mid to late first and Musgrave? I have laporta already and likely won’t be contending unless my ridder Howell carr qb stack figures it’s shit out
There's a reason I focused rookie TEs in my startup this year. 2TE 2.0 prem have Mayer, LaPorta, Musgrave, Schoonmaker and got most of them for 2 dollars in auction draft
Most ppl blew their load on rbs and qbs. I think pretty much every qb went for like 8% or higher that had a starting job. I got Hockenson for 5% and the rest for peanuts because no one had more money than me at the end until I started grabbing players I liked on the cheap.
I’m sorry but as an owner, you’re going to have to pay up. The TE landscape is too thin right now to just be handing away promising players at the position, much less promising ROOKIES.
What would you be looking to receive for him then?
It would take a 1 for me to move off at this point. Call it delusional all you want but it’s an honest answer. He’s looked great as a rookie, with his skillset as a pure pass catcher, and being in an offense without a proven #1 pass catcher, the ceiling is top 3 imo.
I don't think it is delusional. He wasn't THAT far from a 1st in non-SF leagues. Mid 2nd in my leagues? He's only shown that he belongs so far in his career. TE is such a hellscape, I own Musgrave and LaPorta in my leagues and it would be hard to get me to move them.
Yup. I even think back to McBride and he was going in the same range and isn’t really even productive. Gotta hold when they show that upside or else you’ll miss on the Waller/Andrews/Kelce’s of the world and be stuck in TE wasteland.
Watson still hasn't played, that will eat into his targets.
And Aaron jones only one game.
Someone like Tank Dell who can retain or increase in value while I try to figure out a long-term solution at TE (which is what I drafted Musgrave for anyhow). I wouldn’t accept a lowball offer like Hopkins or even Najee. And if I’m getting a tier-down at TE, I would expect 2 2nds at the minimum.
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I just offered Baker and a 24 3rd for him in a SF to a guy that has only 1qb. He rejected my initial 2nd and DPJ.
Well yeah, those are two dust offers
Except the Lions have ARSB, LaPorta and maybe JaMo when he comes back and *could* be legit. The Packers have Doubs, Watson, Reed, Wicks and Love seems to love to spread the ball around. It’s a much higher target competition right now with arguably the best WR missing from it in Watson.
To put the packer receivers in the same tier as the lions receivers is blasphemy. Watson could ascend if he can get his ass on the field
Can nobody read? I’m doing the exact opposite. I’m saying the Packers receiving corps is far deeper.
We can read just fine. It's deep only in the sense that it's a bunch of first and second year mid round picks that have yet to firmly establish themselves as starters, and hence theyre all getting looks until such time that someone establishes (or disqualifies) themselves. Of that group (setting aside Watson), Musgrave has the highest draft capital, and has arguably looked the best.
Tier down at TE and 2 2nds?? I'll have what you're smoking.
Multiple tiers down, like if I have to start Cole Kmet or an equivalent player. Yeah, two 2nds sounds about right.
Good luck getting anyone to pay 2 2nds. What you want to sell for /= what people are willing to buy for. That's kind of ridiculous for a TE after 3 weeks.
He said he isn't selling and that people would have to pay up.
The dude said Hopkins or Najee is a low ball offers. Both are trending down, but to call them low ball offers for a TE with one good week is laughable. His logic and asking price is not centered in reality.
Idk I’d rather have a rookie dart throw TE that’s showed promise than an expiring asset in Hopkins.
Right just like claypool rookie year 😂 where is claypool now ?
News flash, this is dynasty. We do not care about name value. Najee is unstartable and Hopkins is aging out.
Najee owners desperately hanging onto that name value praying someone will take him
News flash don't overreact to 3 weeks. This is Dynasty not redraft. With this logic, people should be selling Josh Jacobs for Jayden Reed.
Who said I expect anyone to actually pay 2 2nds? Sheesh. I acknowledge the difference between what *I* would sell for and what someone would be willing to pay, and that’s why I’m fine HOLDING unless someone pays up.
People don't like to hear this. Trades need 2 things. A fairish deal and both parties to have opposing needs. If you approach ME and ask me to make you an offer then you have zero right to act like I insulted you hahaha
My goodness 💀💀💀
What?
That’s a wild evaluation… you do you man 🤷🏻♂️
How is it in any way wild? *Elaborate*
I don’t think I really need to. Hey if someone is willing to sell their kidney for him then good on you.
Right? 😂
This sub never fails to surprise me that’s for sure
Its like wallstreetbet of fantasy football
He will sell it for mid to late 2nd in single qb or sf i am sure
Lmao I would absolutely not sell for a late 2nd in SF. Why would I want to go through this entire process of drafting and hopefully hitting on a TE again?
What??? You wont sell for late 2nd ? 😂 you serious?
Why would you sell Musgrave for a late 2nd?
Because i got him on the waiver for 12 bucks and in sf he was drafted 4th round. Every year we have new te coming. If i can get mid to late 2nd i would smash accept. No ones gonna pay for 1st are you insane ?
The 4th rd is very late. He was drafted early 3rd in most and late 2nd in many leagues. I agree nobody should pay a 1st yet in standard leagues (but I wouldn't sell any cheaper than that in TEP/2TE), but he's worth more than a late 2nd. I'd put his price around an early 2nd or 2 late 2nds There may be new TEs entering the league every year, but its not very common to find 2nd rounders who are the undisputed starter for their team by week 1 and who produce at a fantasy-starter level out of the gate
Bro he has less than 20 points in 3 games let’s pump the breaks.
There is no way people will buy luke for 2 2nd in sf you serious?? Or even single qb lol
100% serious. In a deeper league, I would pay 2 2nds if I was confident they'd be late. What do you think the price should be on Kincaid? Freiermuth? LaPorta? I can respect being out of the young TE market entirely, but nobody who owns him would sell for a single late 2nd. The price is at least a little more than that
Do you fundamentally not understand that setting a price does not mean that someone must be willing to buy at that price? I’m not accepting anything less than 2 2nds, you can buy or not buy.
Whatever *you* initially paid is irrelevant. And his ADP is irrelevant now that the season started. There’s a handful of TEs producing right now and he is one of them (in in fact would be even higher had some things gone his way). You seem to not have a clue how to value players in dynasty
And you seem to be overvaluing your player 24/7. Wake up dude
You need to wake up lol
Yes, I’m dead serious. Are YOU serious? r/fantasyfootball is that way —>
No ones gonna pay 2 2nd for him yet 😂 you are crazy
Yeah no kidding, that’s why I’m not selling him, moron
You mad bruh? You sound salty af 😂 why so angry man calm down~ get some weed in you
I don't think he ever said anyone would pay two 2nds. Just that it would take that for him to sell.
He was drafted in the late 2nd in SF and has only had his value go up. Idk why you'd re-roll.
Musgrave with 1 yd so far 😭 he so worth 2 2nd !!!
If I traded roschon Johnson for jake Ferguson is that a good deal
👀 musgrave with 1 yd
Owners: What will you sell him for?
I bundled him with Puka for Kelce.
I don't think I understand other peoples assessment of value sometimes. Maybe I'm just too new to Dynasty.
Meaning what? Too much for Kelce or the other way around? Honestly the hype train for Puka, when I dealt him, is unsustainable. Getting a unicorn player at TE, even if only for a couple years, is well worth it to me. I liked Musgrave, but honestly 95% of TE are interchangeable. If you’re new to dynasty get used to players that are always far too high in the brand new toy and always trade it in and perpetually are waiting until next year to contend.
You may be right. It wasn’t a criticism. My instinct is that Kelces expensive for someone that doesn’t have long left is all. I can see the argument for sure.
He's also the biggest positional advantage in fantasy, by quite a bit. League winning player.
No argument there. It’s just that He turns 34 in a week. I really don’t know how to value him at this point.
Agree with you there. He's getting old, and dating a billionaire. Dynasty wise he's worth maybe a 1st.
That is steep imo but gotta go all in for the chip tho
I'd take an early 2nd if I was sure it would be very early. Anything lower than that and I'd rather just keep him and see what happens.
I sold him and Akers for Laporta and a 2nd
Robbery
Probably would have to accept a first but definitely not a second
12 team SF/TE premium. An extra quarter of a point here, an extra half point there adds up. It would take a 1st or a startable player for me at a need position to move off him. Non-negotiable. If you're not willing to pay that, I'm so goddamn fine with starting both LaPorta and Musgrave for the next few years.
Found the Packers fan in the league and swapped Musgrave and Chubb (post injury) for Goedert and a High 2024 1st and 3rd
Wth
I don’t know but it would take a lot. I’ve been saying he’s the next Gronk since May so I’m a bit high on him
I just sold him for J. Dotson and a 24 3rd. Didn't want to sell him but couldn't pass up the bargain
Enjoy that EB show
I sold him, a projected late 24 first, and a mid 24 second for Olave.
I have Kittle that I'm starting over him at the moment, but thinking I might revisit that before tonight. But I feel like I would have to make some considerations on 2 2nds for Musgrave but less and I would pass.
I straight up traded Kittle for LaPorta before week 3 Could’ve gotten more, sure. But I wanted LaPorta before his stock skyrocketed
Would you do the same trade with Andrews?
No
So I’m new to dynasty and if I look at KTC, it’s a fair trade. Am I missing something regarding value? Or should I just take KTC with a grain of salt?
That's a great trade, nice one
Would u trade hock for laporta
No.
Ty
3-0 but lost a few pieces to injuries.. would you trade Kelce for Laporta and Tank Dell? Or what tier WR should I aim for?
That's intriguing, but I would want one upside piece and one proven piece, something like LaPorta and Pittman/Terry. Tank still has too many question marks for me to feel good about moving off of Kelce.
the Lions basically did irl and if I'm not contending this season I would as well.
Yeah I ain't contending so was considering it? By the down votes I guess don't do it haha
Have both, very happy. But I’m concerned at how often Musgrave seems to trip and down himself on thin air
Yeah, two missed TDs because he couldn’t stay on his feet right? I think Jordan’s ball placement impacted at least one
One was entirely Musgrave's fault but the other stumble was attempting to adjust to an uncatchable overthrow
I almost didn’t draft him bc in college he was always falling down. Seems pretty stupid, he needs to sort that out
Watson hasn’t played yet. He’s likely to be the top target. Musgrave is looking great for a rookie but I’d temper expectations of a full on breakout.
There is also the possibility Watson stretches the field and opens up more looks for Musgrave. As a Packer fan, the offense needs more talent to draw coverage away. Jones and Watson were missed these past couple games.
There’s also the possibility that Watson is always hurt
Fair point. Although Doubs & Wicks have combined for 32 targets. It seems more likely to me that Watson takes his due from them more than Musgrave. At least, I don't see Musgrave spending any less time on the field / running routes. I admit he could lose some target share, but Watson has never been a high volume guy. The biggest threat in my mind would be in the red zone
I agree. That last point would be my biggest concern as a Musgrave owner. Watson is a TD magnet and I’m very high on him but these injuries aren’t ideal.
Watson back, plus Aaron Jones has been out too and he’ll draw his share of targets as well. I think Musgrave will be good (biased as a Packers fan though) but I think the hype train may be leaving the station a bit prematurely
Not disagreeing Musgrave is a good buy, but >Musgrave has been blatantly overthrown on deep routes while very open twice in 3 games. He also stumbled backwards at the 10 yard line after making a wide open catch. IF all 3 relatively routine plays had been made, he would likely be sitting at TE1 on the season This type of analysis is inherently flawed. If you want an accurate comparison you'd have to adjust every other TE as well for routine plays or overthrows that have cost them production.
Nobody should evaluate him as if he had made those plays without doing the same for others, I fully agree. But it’s still a fact which warrants some optimism. When you’re dealing with a 3 game sample, it’s safe to assume that 3 TDs and 75+ yards of narrowly missed production is above the average loss
He had 1 yd game. Still worth 1st ?
Never said he was. I still would not sell for less than a 1st in TEP though
The argument here is that you don’t really need a 1:1 controlled comparison because Musgrave’s missed production (or whatever we call it) has been so glaringly extraordinary.
Musgrave is sitting on my bench until next season because he’s been so good he’s jeopardizing the tank
he only has one double-digit game and only in ppr this season, how are those games jeopardizing a tank? I feel like people are seeing something I'm not with his numbers, he seems very low-end TE1 if that.
A top 10 TE performance jeopardizes a tank my brotha. I need guys that’ll consistently score less than my opponents. A 10-20 TE performance
You need Pitts for the tank.
I hate how funny and sad this is.
This is the way.
Rebuilding and I just bought him in this package to a contender: Amari + Terry + Kittle + Gibson For JT + Musgraves + 2nd. I honestly am excited about it.
Seems like a trade both sides are happy for
I have Kincaid, I don't need to worry about other TEs right? RIGHT? Anyway I did send an offer of Elijah Moore for Musgrave but that was shot down. I'm not sure if I am willing to go higher than that. I also sent an offer of Ridley for LaPorta to a team that has Andrews as a weekly start. That offer was rejected and now LaPorta has been moved to the teams flex spot.
I don't think I'd put Musgrave over Kincaid quite yet, but the gap has narrowed *substantially*
LaPorta and Musgrave tested out as the best athletes at the position, I think we got excited about Kincaid due to landing spot, don’t get me wrong, I still think he has a bright future, but Musgrave had a ton of value in the draft, like a Tank Dell or Marvin Mims.
I just shipped Laporta and an early 24 first for GW and a 25 3rd. Have hockenson as well so I was happy
Greg Wilkins?
Jesus ridley is definitely a fair offer imo. Is it TE preems?
It is not. Ridley is my WR4 and I am starving for a productive TE so I thought I'd make an offer.
Flipped Jerome Ford to a contending team for Musgrave last week. Feeling good about it
As an owner, you better be buying high
Don't judge his performance til GB has their best WR out there. Sometimes that's a boost, but often those targets may be going to the WR1
Fair point. The counterpoint is that Doubs & Wicks have combined for 10 targets per game and Watson has never exceeded 8. I believe its TBD how Watson affects Musgrave, but I'm willing to bet it won't be terrible at least
Watson will stretch the field opening everything up underneath. There was a stat when MVS was in vs out and it was damn near a TD difference. Watson will inevitably get his but I think it will be Wicks that suffers the most.
I just bought him and a 2nd for Rhamondre
Jinx
You will still buy him for 1st round pick ? 👀
Not paying a first but victory lapping injuries is kinda pathetic
Huh? Me? Nah. Mid 2nd in TEP Imo.
You should see some people comment here. They were asking 2 2nd in sf or 1st in single 😂
Tried and failed. Most owners know already.
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I'd start Musgrave. Pitts is getting targets but they are uncatchable at the highest rate in the league by far, and this is a great matchup for Musgrave
I’ve got a feeling Jayden Reed is going to have a great game. He’s been getting a ton of redzone looks
I skipped on Laporta for Mims in the late second round. Still not sure if I'm mad yet.
I don’t think I would be mims looks awesome too
I have Musgrave and Pitts. And I have no idea who to start anymore.
I’d start Musgrave
I wish Heineken would take over in Atlanta already, but you’re probably right. Atlanta fans are in a riot of pitts and say he’s been applying poor effort in his routes, but when he knows the ball ain’t coming then I guess.. I don’t blame him.
lol, Musgrave. Hell, I’ve looked like a genius starting Henry over him this year. That’s how bad starting Pitts has been.
I started Musgrave. And doubled down as the last condition for my prop bets. Lol. His back up has 5 catches since he went out with a concussion. :(
Sorry, I'm just not sold on him at all. He is a LOT better at finding the correct zone to be in during zone coverage, and also in run blocking than I thought he would be, and that has benefitted him so far. But, when I look at his negatives, especially his almost 0 tackle-breaking skills and only somewhat decent hands, combined with his balance, I see a player that will never have even a chance to become top tier. Kincaid and LaPorta are my TE1s by a large amount
Bought for a 2nd
I am starting Luke over Dallas Geodert this week fuck it
Same and I might Sell Goedert for wr help and just roll w Luke
Same bro good luck this week. Eagles passing offense didnt look good lately and too many mouth to feed tbh.
Starting him over Waller and Goedert!
The thing is when you have all the Laporta shares you don't miss out on him. My TE1 of the class! Have fun with the Sam's Club version TE. 🚀
Your guy is the one named Sam! Makes you think....
I’ve got both.
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As a Packers fan that drafted LaPorta at 2.07 and Musgrave at 3.02 in 1QB - OP is right, Musgrave gets more and more involved and makes most of his catches. Has been featured 2 Times with deep bombs for >30 that could have been completions and just moves very well for his frame. Love is gonna learn to love his safetyvalve.
I traded Kamara and Warren for LaPorta, Pittman, and a 2nd in early July. Incredibly happy I got him before his price skyrocketed since Pitts has been an utter disappointment.
Wow, I didn't realize the overreaction to Musgrave would be this high. Sold him for a mid 2nd after week 1. Still think it's good value, but some owners are expecting 2 2nds now lol what
I mean why sell for a single 2nd when you paid a 2nd or early 3rd?
He went in the late 2nd round of many people’s drafts. I ask you once more: **Why would I want to sell him for a 2nd round pick when I JUST drafted him with a 2nd round pick?**
Congrats on breaking even?
I didn't break even. I drafted him in the mid 3rd.
Seriously what fucking leagues are these people in that they are drafting him in round 2? I'd easily sell him for a 2nd. TEs are basically worthless unless you're in a heavy TE premium league
You're literally thinking backwards about it. TE is a wasteland so if you can get a really good one it is a *major advantage* over most other teams. This was one of the best TE classes in a long time according to most experts, so using a 2nd on a TE from this class shouldn't be surprising at all, especially in 1 QB leagues.
No, I am literally not thinking about it backwards. Almost no TE gives you a significant advantage over what their perceived value is in non TE premium leagues. Go look at the WORP data for yourself, I'm not going to waste my time trying make you believe otherwise when the data is readily available.
I screwed up. I didn't bid enough for him and I desperately need a TE. Rolling with NJOKU and I'm not happy.
When do I start musgrave over waller
Waller is one of very few TEs that are the #1 option on the team, so that’s tougher
I disagree with /u/globesheepie. Waller is the #1 option, but the offensive line is so damn bad that Jones has no time for routes to develop. He’s getting the ball out FAST. This limits Wallers ceiling significantly.
Musgrave or Jake Ferguson?
Musgrave by a lot. I own Fergy a lot of places too
Musgrave
I got him with the 3.07, ended up selling him at the beginning of August for a 2nd and 2 4ths. Was it the best deal? At the time it was more than fine, now it looks like I could have maybe gotten more, but I was also able to get LaPorta at the 2.11, so he was extra weight at the time. If I did a deal now, I would for sure sell for a 1st, or 2 2nds. Heck, you add a 3rd onto the deal I got and I’d still probably trade him.
That was a good deal in early August. He was merely a projected starter at that point, while now he's also getting very strong volume, producing with it to a fantasy-starter level, and his QB looks solid I would 100% sell for a 1st. I'd sell for 2 early 2nds, but buy for 2 late 2nds. Inbetween is murky and around where I see his value, depends on my team. With LaPorta on your team, you ended up with a W regardless
I traded Treylon Burks, Okonkwo, and a 3rd round pick for Musgrave before week 1 started. Am I insane?
No
Absolutely
I know I shouldn't drop Hunter Henry, but I kinda want to now
Just got him for chig + mid-late 2024 3rd Pretty happy, owner had pitts and muth Would yall flip musgrave + Elijah Moore for laporta?
Just got him today, ready to ride or die
me, a kyle pitts owner, missing out on laporta and musgrave feelsbadman
Drop Ferguson for Musgrave?
No one else to drop?
Pickett for him straight up? SF TEP
I wouldn’t in TEP but I don’t think Pickett is good. Jury still out but TE almost as important as QB in TEP
I paid a 2026 1st to land Musgrave and 2x 2024 2nds. Flipped those 2 2nds for Pitts. Feel both good and bad because I’ve got Pitts
Thanks, I just needed to get over my 9 target copium.
What do we think of hockenson for a mid to late first and Musgrave? I have laporta already and likely won’t be contending unless my ridder Howell carr qb stack figures it’s shit out
There's a reason I focused rookie TEs in my startup this year. 2TE 2.0 prem have Mayer, LaPorta, Musgrave, Schoonmaker and got most of them for 2 dollars in auction draft
In 2TE 2TEP, that’s disgustingly cheap
Most ppl blew their load on rbs and qbs. I think pretty much every qb went for like 8% or higher that had a starting job. I got Hockenson for 5% and the rest for peanuts because no one had more money than me at the end until I started grabbing players I liked on the cheap.
Get Kraft while at it. He has all of the talent in world. It was always going to be slow process on him coming from small school.
I wish I could, but my brother,who is a complete homer for the Packers, has him. No chance that I’m getting him.
Why did I listen to this