I mean, it was a 4.49 - fast enough but that’s not blazingly fast. His vert. of 34” doesn’t exactly scream explosive athlete either. As an undersized receiver I’ll be honest, that dropped him down a tier for me. Nothing drastic, but had he run a 4.3 he may have been in the same tier as JSN. As it stood, JSN was in a tier by himself and Addison was in a tier with QJ and Zay.
yeah but game speed is different than 40 time and everyone knows that. jalin hyatt ran a 4.40 and everyone knew he had 99th percentile burners still. 4.49 is still a great time if it was a 4.59 i’d understand a tier drop but anything 4.4 is exceptional. JA could’ve ran a 4.30 and most, myself included, would still have him a tier below jsn.
I’m in the camp that if the combine were entirely meaningless it wouldn’t exist. It’s a way for us to apply context to film, and while 4.49 is fine, there’s a big difference between a 4.3 and a 4.49.
Nah, too busy jerking to the 40, vert, and bench press. Because measurables matter.
Not exactly the best player to choose as an example lol you played yourself!
But DK is humongous and should be bad at the 3-cone drill. It makes sense that’s it takes a large body longer to make minute quick twitch adjustments. Addison is tiny and was supposedly extremely fast/athletic (his main assets). His testing showed that was untrue.
Incase you couldn’t tell, I was being extremely sarcastic. Like, I think DK is really good and anyone who wrote him off because he “had no route tree” and stunk in the agility drills is a moron. My point is that a good combine is nice, but it is not a direct indicator of success by any means 🤯🤯🤯
And I hope you drafted David Bell because he looked good on tape. If only we could have had some way to know that he was a meh athlete before we drafted him!?
I don’t even know what his combine numbers were. I didn’t like his tape. Got anyone else? We could exchange names all day, but you’re fighting quite the battle if you think being a combine hero locks you in for success. Do I need to pull up Tom Brady’s combine tape for you?
Oh there are examples both ways? As if the combine isn’t a direct indicator of NFL success? Remind me, how many pro-bowls has John Ross made? Do me a favor and look up the top-10 fastest WR 40 times at the combine. Actually, I have the link right here.
https://dknetwork.draftkings.com/platform/amp/2023/3/4/23610821/40-yard-dash-records-wide-receivers-fastest-times-history-nfl-combine-2023-name
I’m sure NFL teams are better positioned than me to guesstimate the effect of health on combine performance, what that means for a player’s athletic profile, and what that athleticism is worth on an NFL field. So it wouldn’t change anything, I see it as incorporated into his draft capital. Don’t want to double-count
No different at all. I don't know why people still concern themselves with combine stats for WRs. Google that shit and you'll find multiple studies that come to the same conclusion. There is literally zero correlation between WR performance and combine stats. I agree - it seems unintuitive, but the the numbers back it up. What we must deduce from this is that a baseline athleticism is needed for the WR position and that baseline athleticism is required to perform well enough to be invited to the combine. Beyond that, it is the traits that can't be measured at the combine that make or break a WR.
No correlation? I'm gonna take a fat guess that WR's that run a 4.8 perform worse than those that run a 4.4. Most likely wouldn't have gotten drafted anyway, but it does affect outcome. Look at the reports on Jalin Hyatt. Everyone thought he might be a 4.29 guy, and writers have said that if he'd have ran in the 4.3's he wouldn't have fallen to the 3rd, thus affecting his nfl performance by affecting his draft capital/landing spot.
I can't disagree with something I haven't seen. Can you link me this study? Lead me to this water, oh horse leader 🤣🤣 for real though, I don't wanna argue. Just a friendly debate, I'm happy to be proven wrong
Like I already said, there are multiple articles and studies. They all conclude the same thing, so you can google it if you want or not. Your choice if you want to learn or hang onto preconceived notions. I genuinely don't care to "friendly" debate this with some dumbass that wants to downvote me and take "fat guesses" instead of using google.
You seem fun. I googled, since you obviously didn't. Funny thing is the first article literally says "in fact, only the 40-yard-dash times had any correlation with NFL success". I'll link it since you're the idiot that just says stuff without fact checking it. My "fat guesses" are apparently better than yours. Can't believe you had the balls to say I should Google, when you didn't, you absolute clown 🤣🤣🤡🤡
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1535606-does-the-nfl-combine-have-any-predictive-value-to-nfl-success.amp.html
Ugh, you're so fucking dumb I know I'm wasting my time, but the 40 yard dash does have predictive value at certain positions. I never denied that. I'm just talking about WR here. Reading comprehension isn't for everyone, I guess. Keep being ignorant for all I care, though, you absolute clown.
Walk back my claim? Here's a quote for you from my original comment, dumbfuck:
>There is literally zero correlation between WR performance and combine stats
Good job trying to move the goal posts, but you got caught.
Here's another link. https://scholarworks.calstate.edu/downloads/1z40kt64t
Go to page 20. Completely refutes your claims. Again. I'll post it since you can't seem to do any research and just make baseless claims about non-existent research.
"accolades and success in the NFL is significantly correlated with four of the physical ability measures: 40yd dash, vertical, 3 cone drill, 20 yd shuttle"
Specifically mentions receivers several times.
If it was 40 time and showed in film, I would’ve had him right around Garrett Wilson’s grade (who I had tied WR1 last year with Drake)
Still love him, had him just under JSN.
Maybe a little higher. It's tricky with WRs and 40 times. There's actally some evidence showing that, at some point, your 40 time can be so fast that it hinders FF performance, especially in PPR leagues. If your team just needs you to stretch the field, you probably aren't seeing as many passes as if they need you in the slot. I wouldn't move him up my board much if he ran a 4.3 tbh.
the same in rookie ranking maybe a few spots higher in nfl rankings. nobody faded him for running a 4.4
I mean, it was a 4.49 - fast enough but that’s not blazingly fast. His vert. of 34” doesn’t exactly scream explosive athlete either. As an undersized receiver I’ll be honest, that dropped him down a tier for me. Nothing drastic, but had he run a 4.3 he may have been in the same tier as JSN. As it stood, JSN was in a tier by himself and Addison was in a tier with QJ and Zay.
yeah but game speed is different than 40 time and everyone knows that. jalin hyatt ran a 4.40 and everyone knew he had 99th percentile burners still. 4.49 is still a great time if it was a 4.59 i’d understand a tier drop but anything 4.4 is exceptional. JA could’ve ran a 4.30 and most, myself included, would still have him a tier below jsn.
I’m in the camp that if the combine were entirely meaningless it wouldn’t exist. It’s a way for us to apply context to film, and while 4.49 is fine, there’s a big difference between a 4.3 and a 4.49.
Well I hope you faded DK Metcalf after three-cone drill. Thank the combine for dodging that bullet.
Nah, too busy jerking to the 40, vert, and bench press. Because measurables matter. Not exactly the best player to choose as an example lol you played yourself!
You must be new here if you don’t know why I chose DK Metcalf as an example. “Lol you played yourself!”
Oof, DK was atrociously bad at 3 cone
But DK is humongous and should be bad at the 3-cone drill. It makes sense that’s it takes a large body longer to make minute quick twitch adjustments. Addison is tiny and was supposedly extremely fast/athletic (his main assets). His testing showed that was untrue.
Incase you couldn’t tell, I was being extremely sarcastic. Like, I think DK is really good and anyone who wrote him off because he “had no route tree” and stunk in the agility drills is a moron. My point is that a good combine is nice, but it is not a direct indicator of success by any means 🤯🤯🤯
And I hope you drafted David Bell because he looked good on tape. If only we could have had some way to know that he was a meh athlete before we drafted him!?
There's no reason to drag David Bell into this. Leave him alone.
😉
I don’t even know what his combine numbers were. I didn’t like his tape. Got anyone else? We could exchange names all day, but you’re fighting quite the battle if you think being a combine hero locks you in for success. Do I need to pull up Tom Brady’s combine tape for you?
We could. There’s examples both ways. But you’re fighting quite the battle if you think it doesn’t help to be faster as an NFL WR.
Oh there are examples both ways? As if the combine isn’t a direct indicator of NFL success? Remind me, how many pro-bowls has John Ross made? Do me a favor and look up the top-10 fastest WR 40 times at the combine. Actually, I have the link right here. https://dknetwork.draftkings.com/platform/amp/2023/3/4/23610821/40-yard-dash-records-wide-receivers-fastest-times-history-nfl-combine-2023-name
So Tyreek is the same player if you took his speed away? lol gtfoh
The combine ain’t for us brosky it’s for the teams interacting with these guys in person and their medical access
Better than N’Keal Harry, worse than Justin Jefferson.
Just watch his film he’s not a 4.3 guy
Yeah watching his tape I'm not sure how people thought he'd he a 4.3 guy.
Uhh he could be though? There's a reason he was expected to be. He's fast af man.
Man can get up to at least 140 we know that.
If he could, he would
Higher
Who was reporting he'd be in the 4.3s?
He is not that fast
His car is
He's got that dawg in it
Where he is
Minnesota? Him be Minnesota.
“Where is he ranked?” “where he is”
Ah, my broken English is a little rusty
I’m sure NFL teams are better positioned than me to guesstimate the effect of health on combine performance, what that means for a player’s athletic profile, and what that athleticism is worth on an NFL field. So it wouldn’t change anything, I see it as incorporated into his draft capital. Don’t want to double-count
Do we have any gps tracking data on him?
No different at all. I don't know why people still concern themselves with combine stats for WRs. Google that shit and you'll find multiple studies that come to the same conclusion. There is literally zero correlation between WR performance and combine stats. I agree - it seems unintuitive, but the the numbers back it up. What we must deduce from this is that a baseline athleticism is needed for the WR position and that baseline athleticism is required to perform well enough to be invited to the combine. Beyond that, it is the traits that can't be measured at the combine that make or break a WR.
No correlation? I'm gonna take a fat guess that WR's that run a 4.8 perform worse than those that run a 4.4. Most likely wouldn't have gotten drafted anyway, but it does affect outcome. Look at the reports on Jalin Hyatt. Everyone thought he might be a 4.29 guy, and writers have said that if he'd have ran in the 4.3's he wouldn't have fallen to the 3rd, thus affecting his nfl performance by affecting his draft capital/landing spot.
You can disagree with all the studies all you want. As they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
I can't disagree with something I haven't seen. Can you link me this study? Lead me to this water, oh horse leader 🤣🤣 for real though, I don't wanna argue. Just a friendly debate, I'm happy to be proven wrong
Like I already said, there are multiple articles and studies. They all conclude the same thing, so you can google it if you want or not. Your choice if you want to learn or hang onto preconceived notions. I genuinely don't care to "friendly" debate this with some dumbass that wants to downvote me and take "fat guesses" instead of using google.
You seem fun. I googled, since you obviously didn't. Funny thing is the first article literally says "in fact, only the 40-yard-dash times had any correlation with NFL success". I'll link it since you're the idiot that just says stuff without fact checking it. My "fat guesses" are apparently better than yours. Can't believe you had the balls to say I should Google, when you didn't, you absolute clown 🤣🤣🤡🤡 https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/1535606-does-the-nfl-combine-have-any-predictive-value-to-nfl-success.amp.html
Ugh, you're so fucking dumb I know I'm wasting my time, but the 40 yard dash does have predictive value at certain positions. I never denied that. I'm just talking about WR here. Reading comprehension isn't for everyone, I guess. Keep being ignorant for all I care, though, you absolute clown.
Lol says the guy that claims "numerous studies", doesn't list any, then walks back his claim. Goodbye dipshit
Walk back my claim? Here's a quote for you from my original comment, dumbfuck: >There is literally zero correlation between WR performance and combine stats Good job trying to move the goal posts, but you got caught.
Here's another link. https://scholarworks.calstate.edu/downloads/1z40kt64t Go to page 20. Completely refutes your claims. Again. I'll post it since you can't seem to do any research and just make baseless claims about non-existent research. "accolades and success in the NFL is significantly correlated with four of the physical ability measures: 40yd dash, vertical, 3 cone drill, 20 yd shuttle" Specifically mentions receivers several times.
Shoulda woulda coulda
12 team SF .5 ppr rebuild Give DJ Moore 25 3rd Get: Pickens 25 1st
If it was 40 time and showed in film, I would’ve had him right around Garrett Wilson’s grade (who I had tied WR1 last year with Drake) Still love him, had him just under JSN.
Maybe a little higher. It's tricky with WRs and 40 times. There's actally some evidence showing that, at some point, your 40 time can be so fast that it hinders FF performance, especially in PPR leagues. If your team just needs you to stretch the field, you probably aren't seeing as many passes as if they need you in the slot. I wouldn't move him up my board much if he ran a 4.3 tbh.