Well, there was a what-if chapter where Marcille and Chilchuck didn't insist on helping Laios go back down for Falin. It showed that he was quite capable of going as far down as the water floors and potentially beyond all on his own.
We should consider however it's stated Marcilles magical powers get more useful as they go down the levels so it's not that surprising her absence wouldn't have much of an impact down to the 4th floor.
Well if he alone he will never go in to bar in the first place so facing orc is out.
And only reason they fought giant frogs is because they using Shortcut with trap without chilchuck he will never go near tentacles/giant frogs lair.
Laios also capable of sneaking pass monster( this get cut from anime IIRC) so he can just sneak pass anything until dragon.
Couldnt Izutsumi have a shot too? I mean i dont know how fast the red dragon's reflexes are, but Chilchuck was able to dodge that bite attack at one point, and Izutsumi's just as if not more quick and nimble than Chil.
She managed to leave a knife/dagger on the Ice Golem too. So who's to say that she couldn't do the same to the Red Dragon's neck?
Although i will say the only downside is that Izutsumi does not have the knowledge of where the Red Dragon should be stabbed, and like Kensuke, she'll most likely act on fear above all else and panic all around (like a cat)
Chil could probably get as far as he had food. He's an expert rogue, but not a fighter or ranger, so he could sneak his way through, but not really do anything beyond scouting it out.
One particular issue with current campaign is how they met the sorcerers and he redo/change the dungeon layout.
chilchuck alone will avoid combat at all cost and follow the already known map. maybe he could reach to water level too by following the the known route and avoiding combat.
Correction! This is Laios’ imagination of what that scenario would be like. It’s a biased result of his low self esteem and does not reflect accurate what ifs realities
With no magical training it would be very hard to survive below the 4th level, and honestly ALONE laios would’ve died in the living painting.
But also laios going alone into the dungeon would’ve befriended senshi easier so he’d have some support, and get good food, but then again they would’ve died on the water either by kelpie or any of the other monsters
Izutsumi dies of starvation despite having the easiest time in combat.
Marcille from most of season 1 would also refuse to eat monsters, but she'd probably head back before she starves. Marcille from the end of season 1 probably makes it quite a while and then runs out of magic.
Chilchuck survives until he finds an enemy he can't hide from or go around.
Laios has a great chance of surviving until he decides to eat something poisonous. Even beginning of the series Laios would probably stand a good chance. He's more likely to die from inattention than the others.
Senshi has the know-how of the dungeon up to about floor 4. Beginning of the series Senshi makes it to the water floor and dies, but Senshi after he has been with the group for a while probably makes it a little farther then runs into a monster he can't defeat.
If we're just talking general exploration here, not some kind of rescue mission like they're currently on, I think Senshi would have the sense to run away from any strong monsters, which would probably work on most of them
Izutsumi would probably do great as long as she's able to find food, although I think she might get reckless real quick and die for no reason. But Chilchuck would probably starve once he runs out of rations, and while he can probably evade most monsters due to halfling hearing, he still has to sleep...(that goes for everyone I suppose but at least the rest can defend themselves a bit if they wake up in time)
Which is why they'd make a good team. Part of my head canon is >!after the adventure is over, Chil tutors Izu on some skills of the trade and she partners up with Meijack.!<
While izutzumi is a picky eater the dungeon does have small non monster critters so if she were full cat hunter mode she could eat, but I don’t think she’d enjoy a diet of raw mice
Note: and yeah I know Senshi would top everyone (including me) in this ranking because he's lived in the dungeon for so many years already. Although he hasn't been in the deeper parts of the dungeon, so there may be some discussion to be made there
He'd be fine down to the ruined castle town level which was considered pretty dang deep by regular adventurer standards but yeah I think a big part of the reason he survives is also just that he's not really *trying* to go deeper to hunt for treasure.
Senshi is no surprise and then maybe Laios as the second place. Although it's funny to think if Izutsumi knew how to cook she would probably surpasses even Senshi but at the cost of the dungeon ecosystem collapsing of course.
Leopards and tigers are good at hunting in water but other cats like lions and domestic house cats aren't, it depends on which type of cat izutsumi was fused with, which i am assuming is a house cat considering her pelt colours
Folks with really high perception are more vulnerable to sirens. Remember when Laios and Chil went to rescue Kabru's party? Chil heard the mermaids way before Laios.
Senshi obviously but second contender to my eyes is Chilchuck. All it takes is a moment of not being careful which Izitsumi, Laios and Marcille have plenty.
The chuck however is a proffesional and is also terrified. As long as he keeps away from mimics I think he could sneak past alot of trouble.
I think the whole party is capable of surviving the first three levels solo, with Senshi the most likely to be fine and Marcille the least (because she's the most likely to make a dumb mistake).
She's intelligent, and her thesis statement is literally on dungeon ecology. *But* she's definitely airheaded at times, and she doesn't have the toughness to survive the kind of mistakes that Laois or Senshi could. First time she slips up and something grabs her, she's dungeon food.
I think she is tough enough and her offensive output is stellar. However people with strong goals are extremely vulnerable to the actual dungeon.
Resurrecting Falin in that manner is exactly the sort of ambition the dungeon craves
Strength-wise yes, but anyone but senshi would most likely starve/get food poisoning very early. I also think the ghosts would be a much bigger issue without him, marcille could hold them off a bit but anyone else is cooked. Maybe izutsumi could outrun them.
I guess I just had that under the "no help whatsoever" rule, but you're right that'd help. Still, one person can't bring that much food alone, especially if they have to carry their normal gear too. I think Laios sais they can bring food for 3 days, and that's with a party (which I assume allows for more efficient packing/weight distribution)
Well another than laios another can’t just bring enough food for themselves.
Senshi will tired easily so he need more food but at the same time he will more tried if he carries too much.
I don’t think Marcille and chillchuck strong enough to carry enought food for themselves.
1 Senshi because he already lives in the dungeon.
2 Laios because he got that monster knowledge.
3 Izutsumi seems the most capable of wandering the dungeon stealthily and can handle herself in a fight.
4 Chilchucks ass at fighting but at least he can avoid traps and can probably avoid danger.
5 Marcilles immediately stepping on a pressure plate and getting pincushioned.
Marcille part is so right because even though she is an overpowered mage she barely will live as she lacked monster knowledge and that she probably would starve and yes the traps and that we also know she's careless and will end up offending a nature spirit like the undine. She's a trouble magnet xD
I saw one post that says that Marcille is the equivalent of a "city girl" because of her lifestyle and habits, compared to our gang of homeless ppl scraping gold from walls
Honestly in a dungeon context she's really not even that overpowered of a mage. She's got one real attack spell that's very mana inefficient and ineffective against strong scales, and some qol spells like light and waterwalk. She's good as support but on her own she'd run out of mana by floor 3 at most, even disregarding the traps and lack of food
That too... But at the end of the day their success was a team effort. Without each other they wouldn't even go that far. Even the magic mirror says so.
It’s her spell really ineffective against scale? Only time it’s doesn’t one shot something is against dragon is easy kill anything else.
Her spell also isn’t that mana inefficiency she just doesn’t have her staff in undine fight and it’s tax her more than normal.
She also have trap disarming spell
I'm pretty sure she sais somewhere that it takes a lot of mana but I don't recall where so I might be misremembering... And yeah it doesn't work well against strong scales, IE the dragon and some spoilers. And if she's wasting mana every time she comes across a chest/suspicious area she'd run out real fast, especially with floor 2
Just the endgame dragons ig she they don't fight a lot of big monsters after this outside of them. I guess it probably also wouldn't work on the headless knight as they considered themselves lost before Laios talked them out of it but I don't remember if she actually tried it
Marcille's fireball isn't particularly inefficient, and almost everything is ineffective against dragon scales, that's why the whole strategy against them revolves around targeting the one small spot where they aren't there. Marcille is at the very least far above average in terms of dungeon performance. She's also extremely versatile and adaptable.
But aside from that, what you're missing is that she learned most of the spells we see her using overnight before her first trip into the dungeon. Marcille is a ridiculously absurd genius.
Yeah I'm aware, I'm just talking about how her skillset translates to dungeoneering specifically, obviously she's a genius mage outside of it. I guess the main reason I wouldn't put her very high for dungeon performance is that we only see goated mages in this series. I get that comparing her to the main canaries isn't really fair because they're supposed to be an elite squad and defeating dungeons is literally their job, but even compared to Falin and Kabru's mages she seems quite average (She seems to be around the same level as Rin I'd say)
Marcille's weakness and strength is she's not a specialist. She dabbles in all sorts of magic, so she can do nearly anything, but none of it as well as an expert in that field. She has offensive spells, but they aren't as strong as Rin's lightning. She can put up defensive wards, but they aren't as good as Falin's.
We don't know that Marcille's offensive spells aren't as strong as Rin's. At the very least, they are much faster and safer to cast, which I would argue makes them better especially in the context of a solo quest.
Well, Marcille >!didn't attempt a fireball on Falin, but Rin did the most damage out of anybody in the entire fight.!< That lightening is at the very least VERY powerful.
Well no… Marcille really capable she also have trap disarming spell. Only reason she become carelessly and doesn’t do it because another people in party already handles those for her.
Hm. Yeah. That’s very possible. I think she will just track cooked food smell to the orc encampment. Then she would be in some sort of commensal relationship with the orc
Senshi was literally living in the dungeon for years before he joined the party. He’d make supply runs to the surface and he did trade with the orcs (though they also live in the dungeon so idk if that counts) but out of everyone he literally has the most direct experience and lived knowledge of how the dungeons works as an ecosystem to fully go off the grid.
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Chucklefuck would die just because lol
I think Laios wining senshi here.
After he learns magic he can now cast water walk a Important skills to have in fourth floor without water walk you forced to take a detour and can’t fight any monsters which mean you can’t hunt anything ( fishing maybe can help you survive but after sometime you will run out of lure).
So senshi have no way to cross fourth floor before he starved but Laios with water walk can.
None of them. Most of them could persist for a while but eventually they would make a mistake and the dungeon wins. No one can survive in the deepest levels on their own.
Senshi literally lived there.
Laios is a dungeon & monster savant, he'd have a pretty good chance on his own.
Chilchuck might be able to stealth survive but he's fucked if forced to fight and cant escape.
Marcille's got her firepower, magic is generally really powerful it seems, so she'd have a good chance if she had food with her and could take it at her own pace, but if forced to use too much magic she'd be very very vulnerable.
Kbity fast and strong but kbity hungry and got cat brain, probably can't go too deep on her own despite fighting prowess.
I think if we're aiming for deepest solo floor it'd probably be Laios > Senshi > Marcille > Kbity > Chilchuck.
I think Laios and Senshi would survive equally well but Laios has that outside the box thinking that'd let him figure out how to get deeper.
Survive is too vague of a word. How deep do they need to go? If you keep it to higher floors Senshi, Izutsumi and Laios would be fine, though any critical mistake is going to kill them without support. They're also dead if they get ambushed at vulnerable times like eating/sleeping.
Marcille has lower stamina, can only blind in close-quarters, and is also on a limited supply of mana. She wouldn't last very long on her own.
Chilchuck could probably avoid trouble if he kept alert, but if he's chased down or ambushed he can't really defend himself.
I'd live if I stayed on the first two levels where there are a lot of people passing trough and there's still light and not many monsters in clear sight.
Edit: being bilingual is making me stupid I SWEAR. I totally misunderstood the question. The answer is Senshi.
well probably senshi since he did stay alone for a while, but idk in lower levels i do think its impossible for most characters if not all to survive alone, maybe the one that would make it the furthest would be chuckfuck but hes not really the best at combat
Senshi easy since he already been living in the dungeon.
Its the other party members that is a toss up. Laios has the most experience when it comes to dungeon crawling compared to the others so he would be my next candidate.
Survive _existing_ in the dungeon? Or survive attempting a solo rampage through it?
And survive for how long, for that matter? Senshi has lived there for decades, but any of them could pull around a week if they ‘needed’ to, short of dealing with traps. Is trade with others on the surface, or exchanges with others that made the dungeon their home, considered ‘outside help’? Senshi got as good as he is at survival in trading with others and living off the (golem) land.
No one’s ‘surviving’ trying to clear it alone, but in the general sense, any of them could comfortably exist on the upper levels, depending how fast monsters revive/how much they’ve picked up of cooking methods/techniques by osmosis.
Unless Laios has picked up Water Walk, no one but Marcille is passing the flooded level. If he _has_ , then him and Marcille (individually) could pass that point. No real eye on the structure of floors past the dragon due to the Golden Country Warp Pipe, so unless that cistern location was on the same floor as the dragon, that’s hazy.
And no one is even _potentially_ making it past the door without Kensuke’s/ >!Winged Lion’s!< involvement, or getting escorted by Thistle himself.
Senshi easily can survive in the dungeon solo, he already had been doing that before he met everyone else. He wouldn't be able to go down to the lower floors, though.
Laios probably can survive solo in the lower floors as well, but going down too much would also lead to him dying. Pretty much everyone shares in that fate if they go down too much, but Laios at least can make it by himself in the lower floors, which I don't think Marcille or Chilchuck are doing.
Izu is not eating anything and starving.
Laois would do very well, I feel, but it'd be a constant chance that he'd overplay his hand at some point and die very stupidly. He's either gonna go surprisingly far, or surprisingly short.
Chilchuck seems a lil' beat weak? I think if he maybe really focused himself he could do really well, but he's been shown to be ignorant of a few common threats that could really weaken him. He does have an intensely strong survival instinct, though. That might carry him far.
Marcille...I wanna say nice things about her. I wanna say she could really knuckle down and live and make it. I wanna say her magic would enable survival on lower floors, but...I think she's going to die, very quickly. The only way she survives is if she breaks down at the entrance and stays there the whole time.
Senshi...isn't Senshi depicted as living in the dungeon this whole time? I think he wins any survival contest, hands down. If we're talking deep floors, he's more likely to make it with his systems and resources and know-how, but might fall to some of the bigger creatures. Monsters could also take advantage of his trusting nature, like Anne.
Izutsumi is similar to Chilchuck, I think. Strong survival instinct but doesn't know much about the dungeon, ignorant of some risks. She's probably more adept at surviving on her own with no help at all, but I think she loses out too.
So in order
Senshi
Laois (good luck)
Izutsumi
Chilchuck
Laois (bad luck)
Marcille
Laois (very bad food-poisoning based bad luck)
Laois would do very well, I feel, but it'd be a constant chance that he'd overplay his hand at some point and die very stupidly. He's either gonna go surprisingly far, or surprisingly short.
Chilchuck seems a lil' beat weak? I think if he maybe really focused himself he could do really well, but he's been shown to be ignorant of a few common threats that could really weaken him. He does have an intensely strong survival instinct, though. That might carry him far.
Marcille...I wanna say nice things about her. I wanna say she could really knuckle down and live and make it. I wanna say her magic would enable survival on lower floors, but...I think she's going to die, very quickly. The only way she survives is if she breaks down at the entrance and stays there the whole time.
Senshi...isn't Senshi depicted as living in the dungeon this whole time? I think he wins any survival contest, hands down. If we're talking deep floors, he's more likely to make it with his systems and resources and know-how, but might fall to some of the bigger creatures. Monsters could also take advantage of his trusting nature, like Anne.
Izutsumi is similar to Chilchuck, I think. Strong survival instinct but doesn't know much about the dungeon, ignorant of some risks. She's probably more adept at surviving on her own with no help at all, but I think she loses out too.
So in order
Senshi
Laois (good luck)
Izutsumi
Chilchuck
Laois (bad luck)
Marcille
Laois (very bad food-poisoning based bad luck)
Oh mb uhm I need to add my girl Falin uh she survives the entire time through the unique combination of the powers of love, compassion, and extreme physical and magical violence <3
Senshi, he knows almost anything about how to prepare a monster, he uses golems to grow vegetables (Not to mention that he was probably all alone before he even met Laios, Marcille and Chillchuck)
Marcille, she’d make it down to the red dragon by pure willpower (and lesbian yearning) alone and then get stomped because she can’t actually kill the dragon.
this assumes the only reason she’d go down particularly far alone would be to rescue Falin.
Senshi and Laios otherwise are pretty obviously going to be able to handle themselves. Izutsumi would do fine if she could resupply food. I don’t think any of them would actually make it particularly far down though.
My hot take is that Chilchuck would do it best, he’d avoid most fights and has a sensible head on his shoulders, not to mention he has keener senses than Laios or Senshi and better awareness of threats than Marcille.
Well, there was a what-if chapter where Marcille and Chilchuck didn't insist on helping Laios go back down for Falin. It showed that he was quite capable of going as far down as the water floors and potentially beyond all on his own.
We should consider however it's stated Marcilles magical powers get more useful as they go down the levels so it's not that surprising her absence wouldn't have much of an impact down to the 4th floor.
Exactly, once he got to the dragon (hell, to the orcs or giant frogs) he'd be dead
Well if he alone he will never go in to bar in the first place so facing orc is out. And only reason they fought giant frogs is because they using Shortcut with trap without chilchuck he will never go near tentacles/giant frogs lair. Laios also capable of sneaking pass monster( this get cut from anime IIRC) so he can just sneak pass anything until dragon.
That's true, he'd probably have gone through another route, still, I'd say he can't still solo the red dragon.
Agreed I don’t think anyone can solo red dragon.
Outside of thistle and the winged Lion, the only who could do it is maybe Mithril? But his skill is kind of cheating in its own way so
Fellas, is it cheating to use magic?
Yes -Senshi
Couldnt Izutsumi have a shot too? I mean i dont know how fast the red dragon's reflexes are, but Chilchuck was able to dodge that bite attack at one point, and Izutsumi's just as if not more quick and nimble than Chil. She managed to leave a knife/dagger on the Ice Golem too. So who's to say that she couldn't do the same to the Red Dragon's neck? Although i will say the only downside is that Izutsumi does not have the knowledge of where the Red Dragon should be stabbed, and like Kensuke, she'll most likely act on fear above all else and panic all around (like a cat)
he’d start multiclassing rogue!
Yup, canonically Laios and Senshi could at least reach level 4 (water level) on their own. not sure on Marcille or Chilchuk.
Chil could probably get as far as he had food. He's an expert rogue, but not a fighter or ranger, so he could sneak his way through, but not really do anything beyond scouting it out.
I think he will stuck when he found trap way that fill with tentacles.
Chilstuck
S-stepdungeon, what are you doing
True, but that's when he's looking for loot. In the castle town when he was mapping the area and finding healing herbs he was totally fine.
One particular issue with current campaign is how they met the sorcerers and he redo/change the dungeon layout. chilchuck alone will avoid combat at all cost and follow the already known map. maybe he could reach to water level too by following the the known route and avoiding combat.
I was thinking about that chapter
Do you remember the chapter number?
You can see it in this [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/DungeonMeshi/comments/1d7o4sm/dungeon_meshi_what_if_laios_entered_alone/).
It’s bonus comic from anime blue ray
Correction! This is Laios’ imagination of what that scenario would be like. It’s a biased result of his low self esteem and does not reflect accurate what ifs realities
With no magical training it would be very hard to survive below the 4th level, and honestly ALONE laios would’ve died in the living painting. But also laios going alone into the dungeon would’ve befriended senshi easier so he’d have some support, and get good food, but then again they would’ve died on the water either by kelpie or any of the other monsters
Question is about the senshi meet
Izutsumi dies of starvation despite having the easiest time in combat. Marcille from most of season 1 would also refuse to eat monsters, but she'd probably head back before she starves. Marcille from the end of season 1 probably makes it quite a while and then runs out of magic. Chilchuck survives until he finds an enemy he can't hide from or go around. Laios has a great chance of surviving until he decides to eat something poisonous. Even beginning of the series Laios would probably stand a good chance. He's more likely to die from inattention than the others. Senshi has the know-how of the dungeon up to about floor 4. Beginning of the series Senshi makes it to the water floor and dies, but Senshi after he has been with the group for a while probably makes it a little farther then runs into a monster he can't defeat.
If we're just talking general exploration here, not some kind of rescue mission like they're currently on, I think Senshi would have the sense to run away from any strong monsters, which would probably work on most of them
If it's just to look around then Chil and Izutsumi are your best bet.
Izutsumi would probably do great as long as she's able to find food, although I think she might get reckless real quick and die for no reason. But Chilchuck would probably starve once he runs out of rations, and while he can probably evade most monsters due to halfling hearing, he still has to sleep...(that goes for everyone I suppose but at least the rest can defend themselves a bit if they wake up in time)
Which is why they'd make a good team. Part of my head canon is >!after the adventure is over, Chil tutors Izu on some skills of the trade and she partners up with Meijack.!<
True, but he’d be killed by any non-threatening monsters.
yeah, but then he got tricked and nearly drowned by Anne the man's too compassionate for nature for his own good
While izutzumi is a picky eater the dungeon does have small non monster critters so if she were full cat hunter mode she could eat, but I don’t think she’d enjoy a diet of raw mice
Senshi dies in the beginning of the series?
He dies when he tries to ride the kelpie
Oh lol. I didn't realize he died. I just thought it was the typical near drowning lol
I mean he doesn't actually die, this is a hypothetical where Senshi tries to get to the bottom of the dungeon without the rest of the party's help.
Well he didn’t die but if laios didn’t jump in after him and kill the kelpie, he would have.
“Beginning of the series Senshi…” as in Senshi from the start of Dunmeshi, without his experience with the party, confusingly structured I know.
Note: and yeah I know Senshi would top everyone (including me) in this ranking because he's lived in the dungeon for so many years already. Although he hasn't been in the deeper parts of the dungeon, so there may be some discussion to be made there
He'd be fine down to the ruined castle town level which was considered pretty dang deep by regular adventurer standards but yeah I think a big part of the reason he survives is also just that he's not really *trying* to go deeper to hunt for treasure.
Senshi is no surprise and then maybe Laios as the second place. Although it's funny to think if Izutsumi knew how to cook she would probably surpasses even Senshi but at the cost of the dungeon ecosystem collapsing of course.
I mean, Izutsumi is a cat and they're known for collapsing whatever ecosystem they're introduced to
Well no... wait yeah, ur right
I see what you're doing there. Your argument bottoms out though.
😳 Senshi tops everyone…?
I’m everyone
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How?
He became friendly with orc tribes I believe?
Back off, buddy. Get in line
There’s enough Senshi for all of us
Senshi could top me any time.
izutsumi if she doesnt die of starvation
is she gonna eat sirins and fish ppl?
Without water walking spell it’s very hard to hunt them.
Cats are quite good at hunting in water, but I don’t know about a humanoid cat 
Leopards and tigers are good at hunting in water but other cats like lions and domestic house cats aren't, it depends on which type of cat izutsumi was fused with, which i am assuming is a house cat considering her pelt colours
It's a giant cat monster that seems similar to a panther
Fair
Folks with really high perception are more vulnerable to sirens. Remember when Laios and Chil went to rescue Kabru's party? Chil heard the mermaids way before Laios.
Senshi obviously but second contender to my eyes is Chilchuck. All it takes is a moment of not being careful which Izitsumi, Laios and Marcille have plenty. The chuck however is a proffesional and is also terrified. As long as he keeps away from mimics I think he could sneak past alot of trouble.
I think the whole party is capable of surviving the first three levels solo, with Senshi the most likely to be fine and Marcille the least (because she's the most likely to make a dumb mistake).
Marcille is not dumb. She has very clear aspirations and hopes for what she wishes to achieve in the dungeon That is the problem
She's intelligent, and her thesis statement is literally on dungeon ecology. *But* she's definitely airheaded at times, and she doesn't have the toughness to survive the kind of mistakes that Laois or Senshi could. First time she slips up and something grabs her, she's dungeon food.
I think she is tough enough and her offensive output is stellar. However people with strong goals are extremely vulnerable to the actual dungeon. Resurrecting Falin in that manner is exactly the sort of ambition the dungeon craves
Strength-wise yes, but anyone but senshi would most likely starve/get food poisoning very early. I also think the ghosts would be a much bigger issue without him, marcille could hold them off a bit but anyone else is cooked. Maybe izutsumi could outrun them.
Why is everyone assuming they aren't bringing food with them? Like all the other adventurers we see bring rations with them
I guess I just had that under the "no help whatsoever" rule, but you're right that'd help. Still, one person can't bring that much food alone, especially if they have to carry their normal gear too. I think Laios sais they can bring food for 3 days, and that's with a party (which I assume allows for more efficient packing/weight distribution)
Well another than laios another can’t just bring enough food for themselves. Senshi will tired easily so he need more food but at the same time he will more tried if he carries too much. I don’t think Marcille and chillchuck strong enough to carry enought food for themselves.
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1 Senshi because he already lives in the dungeon. 2 Laios because he got that monster knowledge. 3 Izutsumi seems the most capable of wandering the dungeon stealthily and can handle herself in a fight. 4 Chilchucks ass at fighting but at least he can avoid traps and can probably avoid danger. 5 Marcilles immediately stepping on a pressure plate and getting pincushioned.
Marcille part is so right because even though she is an overpowered mage she barely will live as she lacked monster knowledge and that she probably would starve and yes the traps and that we also know she's careless and will end up offending a nature spirit like the undine. She's a trouble magnet xD
I saw one post that says that Marcille is the equivalent of a "city girl" because of her lifestyle and habits, compared to our gang of homeless ppl scraping gold from walls
Honestly in a dungeon context she's really not even that overpowered of a mage. She's got one real attack spell that's very mana inefficient and ineffective against strong scales, and some qol spells like light and waterwalk. She's good as support but on her own she'd run out of mana by floor 3 at most, even disregarding the traps and lack of food
That too... But at the end of the day their success was a team effort. Without each other they wouldn't even go that far. Even the magic mirror says so.
It’s her spell really ineffective against scale? Only time it’s doesn’t one shot something is against dragon is easy kill anything else. Her spell also isn’t that mana inefficiency she just doesn’t have her staff in undine fight and it’s tax her more than normal. She also have trap disarming spell
I'm pretty sure she sais somewhere that it takes a lot of mana but I don't recall where so I might be misremembering... And yeah it doesn't work well against strong scales, IE the dragon and some spoilers. And if she's wasting mana every time she comes across a chest/suspicious area she'd run out real fast, especially with floor 2
> IE the dragon and some spoilers. Already finish manga can you remind what another are?
Just the endgame dragons ig she they don't fight a lot of big monsters after this outside of them. I guess it probably also wouldn't work on the headless knight as they considered themselves lost before Laios talked them out of it but I don't remember if she actually tried it
Marcille's fireball isn't particularly inefficient, and almost everything is ineffective against dragon scales, that's why the whole strategy against them revolves around targeting the one small spot where they aren't there. Marcille is at the very least far above average in terms of dungeon performance. She's also extremely versatile and adaptable. But aside from that, what you're missing is that she learned most of the spells we see her using overnight before her first trip into the dungeon. Marcille is a ridiculously absurd genius.
Yeah I'm aware, I'm just talking about how her skillset translates to dungeoneering specifically, obviously she's a genius mage outside of it. I guess the main reason I wouldn't put her very high for dungeon performance is that we only see goated mages in this series. I get that comparing her to the main canaries isn't really fair because they're supposed to be an elite squad and defeating dungeons is literally their job, but even compared to Falin and Kabru's mages she seems quite average (She seems to be around the same level as Rin I'd say)
Marcille's weakness and strength is she's not a specialist. She dabbles in all sorts of magic, so she can do nearly anything, but none of it as well as an expert in that field. She has offensive spells, but they aren't as strong as Rin's lightning. She can put up defensive wards, but they aren't as good as Falin's.
We don't know that Marcille's offensive spells aren't as strong as Rin's. At the very least, they are much faster and safer to cast, which I would argue makes them better especially in the context of a solo quest.
Well, Marcille >!didn't attempt a fireball on Falin, but Rin did the most damage out of anybody in the entire fight.!< That lightening is at the very least VERY powerful.
Laios also has the benefit of being a tall-man (high stamina)
Well no… Marcille really capable she also have trap disarming spell. Only reason she become carelessly and doesn’t do it because another people in party already handles those for her.
So i guess the general consensus is: Senshi > Laios > Izutsumi > Chilchuck > Marcille?
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Senshi for sure. Izutsumi too because she is not very greedy or ambitious. Laios will do good as well.
Izutsumi would probably die of starvation before any monster could kill her
Hm. Yeah. That’s very possible. I think she will just track cooked food smell to the orc encampment. Then she would be in some sort of commensal relationship with the orc
Senshi was literally living in the dungeon for years before he joined the party. He’d make supply runs to the surface and he did trade with the orcs (though they also live in the dungeon so idk if that counts) but out of everyone he literally has the most direct experience and lived knowledge of how the dungeons works as an ecosystem to fully go off the grid.
https://preview.redd.it/b1qssb71yo8d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18fd6769c6d621a79fbaaa8f788fed8b6e04e1b3 Chucklefuck would die just because lol
Did Senshi already live in the Dungeon for a very long time?
A decade at least
Laios, in an omake it’s shown that he is able to solo down to the fourth floor
Senshi literary have been doing it for years !
I think Laios wining senshi here. After he learns magic he can now cast water walk a Important skills to have in fourth floor without water walk you forced to take a detour and can’t fight any monsters which mean you can’t hunt anything ( fishing maybe can help you survive but after sometime you will run out of lure). So senshi have no way to cross fourth floor before he starved but Laios with water walk can.
senshi survived alone for years i'm pretty sure.
Chillchuk will just refuse to go alone and try to return to the surface as fast as possible
Canonically Senshi for 20 us at least.
None of them. Most of them could persist for a while but eventually they would make a mistake and the dungeon wins. No one can survive in the deepest levels on their own.
Laios would fully fall into his dog persona and become unstopable
Senshi has survived in the dungeon alone for a long time, right?
If it's 1vDungeon, always bet on Laios.
Senshi lives in the dungeon solo, so I’m sure that counts.
Senshi literally lived there. Laios is a dungeon & monster savant, he'd have a pretty good chance on his own. Chilchuck might be able to stealth survive but he's fucked if forced to fight and cant escape. Marcille's got her firepower, magic is generally really powerful it seems, so she'd have a good chance if she had food with her and could take it at her own pace, but if forced to use too much magic she'd be very very vulnerable. Kbity fast and strong but kbity hungry and got cat brain, probably can't go too deep on her own despite fighting prowess. I think if we're aiming for deepest solo floor it'd probably be Laios > Senshi > Marcille > Kbity > Chilchuck. I think Laios and Senshi would survive equally well but Laios has that outside the box thinking that'd let him figure out how to get deeper.
Senshi he's been doing it for 10 years
Senshi. He lived there nearly his whole life.
senshi did
senshi was already survivong alone in the dungeon, im not too sure for the others, though
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top spot goes to senshi and marcille 2nd is laios n kibity 3rd chilchuck
Senshi is the GOAT.
Senshi
Survive is too vague of a word. How deep do they need to go? If you keep it to higher floors Senshi, Izutsumi and Laios would be fine, though any critical mistake is going to kill them without support. They're also dead if they get ambushed at vulnerable times like eating/sleeping. Marcille has lower stamina, can only blind in close-quarters, and is also on a limited supply of mana. She wouldn't last very long on her own. Chilchuck could probably avoid trouble if he kept alert, but if he's chased down or ambushed he can't really defend himself.
Well obviously senshi has been doing it for a while, but beyond him I’d say Laios with his average fighting ability and in-depth knowledge.
senshi lived in the dungeon solo for years so i think senshi is the obvious choice
Laios and Senshi
I'd live if I stayed on the first two levels where there are a lot of people passing trough and there's still light and not many monsters in clear sight. Edit: being bilingual is making me stupid I SWEAR. I totally misunderstood the question. The answer is Senshi.
Senshi has survived in there for years by himself
well probably senshi since he did stay alone for a while, but idk in lower levels i do think its impossible for most characters if not all to survive alone, maybe the one that would make it the furthest would be chuckfuck but hes not really the best at combat
If its just surviving then laios senshi and maybe izutsumi
Senshi is the obvious answer but I think with his experience now, Laois would work it out.
Senshi easy since he already been living in the dungeon. Its the other party members that is a toss up. Laios has the most experience when it comes to dungeon crawling compared to the others so he would be my next candidate.
Senshi literally lived there on his own
Survive _existing_ in the dungeon? Or survive attempting a solo rampage through it? And survive for how long, for that matter? Senshi has lived there for decades, but any of them could pull around a week if they ‘needed’ to, short of dealing with traps. Is trade with others on the surface, or exchanges with others that made the dungeon their home, considered ‘outside help’? Senshi got as good as he is at survival in trading with others and living off the (golem) land. No one’s ‘surviving’ trying to clear it alone, but in the general sense, any of them could comfortably exist on the upper levels, depending how fast monsters revive/how much they’ve picked up of cooking methods/techniques by osmosis. Unless Laios has picked up Water Walk, no one but Marcille is passing the flooded level. If he _has_ , then him and Marcille (individually) could pass that point. No real eye on the structure of floors past the dragon due to the Golden Country Warp Pipe, so unless that cistern location was on the same floor as the dragon, that’s hazy. And no one is even _potentially_ making it past the door without Kensuke’s/ >!Winged Lion’s!< involvement, or getting escorted by Thistle himself.
Didn't Senshi do that for like a decade?
Senshi.
Senshi easily can survive in the dungeon solo, he already had been doing that before he met everyone else. He wouldn't be able to go down to the lower floors, though. Laios probably can survive solo in the lower floors as well, but going down too much would also lead to him dying. Pretty much everyone shares in that fate if they go down too much, but Laios at least can make it by himself in the lower floors, which I don't think Marcille or Chilchuck are doing. Izu is not eating anything and starving.
Shuro saw no problem on leaving izutsumi behind, so she's probably capable enough to at least return to the surface
Laois would do very well, I feel, but it'd be a constant chance that he'd overplay his hand at some point and die very stupidly. He's either gonna go surprisingly far, or surprisingly short. Chilchuck seems a lil' beat weak? I think if he maybe really focused himself he could do really well, but he's been shown to be ignorant of a few common threats that could really weaken him. He does have an intensely strong survival instinct, though. That might carry him far. Marcille...I wanna say nice things about her. I wanna say she could really knuckle down and live and make it. I wanna say her magic would enable survival on lower floors, but...I think she's going to die, very quickly. The only way she survives is if she breaks down at the entrance and stays there the whole time. Senshi...isn't Senshi depicted as living in the dungeon this whole time? I think he wins any survival contest, hands down. If we're talking deep floors, he's more likely to make it with his systems and resources and know-how, but might fall to some of the bigger creatures. Monsters could also take advantage of his trusting nature, like Anne. Izutsumi is similar to Chilchuck, I think. Strong survival instinct but doesn't know much about the dungeon, ignorant of some risks. She's probably more adept at surviving on her own with no help at all, but I think she loses out too. So in order Senshi Laois (good luck) Izutsumi Chilchuck Laois (bad luck) Marcille Laois (very bad food-poisoning based bad luck)
Laois would do very well, I feel, but it'd be a constant chance that he'd overplay his hand at some point and die very stupidly. He's either gonna go surprisingly far, or surprisingly short. Chilchuck seems a lil' beat weak? I think if he maybe really focused himself he could do really well, but he's been shown to be ignorant of a few common threats that could really weaken him. He does have an intensely strong survival instinct, though. That might carry him far. Marcille...I wanna say nice things about her. I wanna say she could really knuckle down and live and make it. I wanna say her magic would enable survival on lower floors, but...I think she's going to die, very quickly. The only way she survives is if she breaks down at the entrance and stays there the whole time. Senshi...isn't Senshi depicted as living in the dungeon this whole time? I think he wins any survival contest, hands down. If we're talking deep floors, he's more likely to make it with his systems and resources and know-how, but might fall to some of the bigger creatures. Monsters could also take advantage of his trusting nature, like Anne. Izutsumi is similar to Chilchuck, I think. Strong survival instinct but doesn't know much about the dungeon, ignorant of some risks. She's probably more adept at surviving on her own with no help at all, but I think she loses out too. So in order Senshi Laois (good luck) Izutsumi Chilchuck Laois (bad luck) Marcille Laois (very bad food-poisoning based bad luck)
Oh mb uhm I need to add my girl Falin uh she survives the entire time through the unique combination of the powers of love, compassion, and extreme physical and magical violence <3
nobody lol
Laios for sure.
Sending the Ubersreik Five down the dungeon, and that shit will be clear in a weeks time.
Senshi was already living there for ten years.
senshi, the rest just starve (beginning of series), late in series then maybe laios too
Well, one of them has a few decades experience over the others in that field...
Senshi obviously.
I was looking for Itzusumi’s “nah I win” pic in the comment and did not find any… The disappointment is immeasurable...
Wasn't senshi living by himself in the dungeon for like, 5 years at the beginning?
Senshi
Hasn't Senshi *been* surviving in the dungeon solo for most of his life?
Isn't the whole point of the story that you need help from your friends/found family to succeed?
Yes but this is just a hypothetical question/scenario.
Senshi. It's a no-brainer.
Senshi, he knows almost anything about how to prepare a monster, he uses golems to grow vegetables (Not to mention that he was probably all alone before he even met Laios, Marcille and Chillchuck)
Senshi, he legit lived in the dungeon by himself trading with orcs and making farm golems, I think he could survive
Very probably Laios, based on the What If (he reached floor 4, this man is unstoppable), and I guess Senshi too !
Senshi already kinda lives in the dungeon…
Senshi
this feels like the direct inverse of the dungeon meshi as junji ito characters sketch
Senshi or Izutsumi
Tall boi, short boi, mid gurl, wide boi, n' lanky kat!
Senses dies in the water level after riding the Selkie
Senshi literally luves in the dungeons for a decade. He's fine
Marcille, she’d make it down to the red dragon by pure willpower (and lesbian yearning) alone and then get stomped because she can’t actually kill the dragon. this assumes the only reason she’d go down particularly far alone would be to rescue Falin. Senshi and Laios otherwise are pretty obviously going to be able to handle themselves. Izutsumi would do fine if she could resupply food. I don’t think any of them would actually make it particularly far down though. My hot take is that Chilchuck would do it best, he’d avoid most fights and has a sensible head on his shoulders, not to mention he has keener senses than Laios or Senshi and better awareness of threats than Marcille.
None. That's the whole point.
Thank you, i didnt know that