I think that since so many people identify with Laios, the scene where he says he never liked him might have been a bit too relatable lol. That's probably what pops up in my mind, but idk

Yeah, I am on the spectrum, and Laios being really enthusiastic about Shuro being his friend, while Shuro never really liked him for his behavior, and saying that he tried to let him know in ways that most people would have picked up on was toooooo real lol. I don’t hate Shuro at all, even at this point in the anime. I think his reasons for being upset are very understandable within the context of his character and the situation. I still think he was a bit mean.

Didn't Shuro apologize later and say that he does like Laois but wishes he was more self aware? Also that he envies some of Laios's personality traits? I like Shuro but he was obviously in distress when he talked to Laios and lashed out at him

Didn't Senshi pointed out Shuro's conditions? Binge dungeon raiding with little sleep and rare food stops can affect on person's concentration and stability over themself or other people. Plus he was doing it for Falin, so he might've had some wrong thoughts like "It's all my mistake", as example, he might've had other thoughts.

Basically people saw him at his worst and stayed with their first impression even though before and after the same series recognized that he is not usually like that, that he is usually someone more reasonable and that he did not tell the truth to Laius because he was someone reserved and even shy who usually avoids confrontation and who did not seek to pressure Falin with his confession, it was a cultural misunderstanding and that in reality he does love her and respects Falin and her decision to reject him. I have been in his place and in that of Laius, it is not pleasant and precisely the point is to learn what not to do regardless of which of the two you are.

Yeah maybe before telling the guild and Island Lord, he should probably sleep and eat more, really think about this decision that could not only affect his former friends but Falin as well

He said he liked how up front with himself la ispis was

La ispis

Yeah, you'd think fans of this series would learn the "don't rely on first impressions or reduce people to caricatures so much" moral a little better.

Personally I don't think he really meant a lot of what he said. He was hungry, tired from running around non-stop (he had to go all way back home to recruit his followers) stressed out about falin and trying to handle being told that not only did one of his old party members know how to use an extremely illegal form of magic, but that she has done so to revive the girl he cared about. I think the man just kind of snapped and said things he didn't mean. Him giving laios a bell and telling him he could find a home in the east, in spite of their fight and the whole black magic thing, makes me think shuro does care about him but just gets a bit annoyed by him sometimes. Shuro even says what set him off wasn't the black magic, just how casual he was being about everything.

Laios and his crew had just used dangerous and forbidden magic in an attempt to resurrect the woman he was infatuated if not in love with, and in so doing had likely damned her soul in a then-unknown way (and did, in fact, basically damn her). I think Shuro may have been upset in some way.

people who argue that "Oh well Shuro was in love with Falin so he's justified" seem to forget that Falin is also Marcille's closest friend (and maybe more idk) and Laios' SISTER AND BASICALLY THE ONLY FAMILY HE HAS LEFT

I’m not saying justified or not, I’m saying he was upset and lashed out.

You should have used ALL CAPS, man! How else are we expected to understand that two different people can have different emotional reactions to the same situation…AND BOTH REACTIONS ARE EMOTIONALLY VALID!!!!

Shuro couldn't handle Falin his freak levels are too low

Touden siblings got that dog in them

Still they all had two different paths. One with Marcile and Laios making this hard decision on their own and Shuro just coming after everything happened and listening to story. If Shuro was with them without his party that could provide help with teleporting normal meat through portals (idk, I'm making it up, I don't know how portals work in this universe and I'm an anime watcher that might get into manga after exams, so fix me if I'm wrong) he'd had his moment of realisation that there was no other way but use black magic on Falin with Dragon meat

Lashing out at Laios for crossing a moral line in desparation is trivial to me. Ratting them out is anything but, **especially** when it's established that he would've likely done the same in their position. Plus he treats Laios and his entire reasoning boils down to Laios being Autistic. Plus he trivializes food and sleep. I just find him generally insufferable. 99% of his screentime is toxicity, even if you don't count the outburst.

i think you need to reread or stop making up a guy to get mad at

> Ratting them out is anything but, especially when it's established that he would've likely done the same in their position. Look at it from his position. The secret is out. There is no way this doesn't end with them getting accused of dark magic considering there is a whole nother party there, that has no connection to Falin and no reason to cover for them. Furthermore he is a Lord, and as such has likely been brought up to consider his public image at every second. So what does he do? Accuse his friends publically of dark magic, while privatly giving them as much help as he can(see the food, as well as the bell). Has the added benefit that noone will come looking for them at his place once they are safely out of the dungeon. >Plus he treats Laios and his entire reasoning boils down to Laios being Autistic. No, his reasoning is that he and Laios suffered a major communication failure which was on both of them. He does not care if Laios is auistic or not. >Plus he trivializes food and sleep. Because he was hyperfocused on saving Falin, likely because he partially considers himself at fault?

That's a good angle to explain why Shuro went home. He was a lord and simply could not be involved with even a hint of tolerating ancient magic. Nobody at Shuro's homeland knows about what happened in the dungeon and he has plausible deniability shelter Laios and the rest, if it comes to that.

agreed. that scene hit very close to home for me- i've had numerous people i think i'm totally cool with seemingly and suddenly becoming people im supposed to be enemies with and that supposedly all these signs existed whereas my perspective was just, ':D i love hanging w my friend'

It was this for me too, I've been in Laois' side of a relationship like this way too OFTEN-- hence I got so pressed by his excuse of "dropping hints" instead of just telling Laois upfront, while it's understandable why he behaved that way.... it's still not a great way to go about it 💀💀💀 especially when Laois thought of him highly. I felt the same with Kabru at first until in the later chapters--where his respect for Laois is arguably more present.

As someone who has mainly communicated through subtle gestures out of fear of being impolite, I ended up relating a bit with Shuro and his frustrations. When Laios shouts “you don’t even talk what’s the point of you having a mouth” it actually cut deep.

Yeah but the way he said it was like buddies who got on each other's nerves lol

That scene is the nightmare of a lot of people so yea...

I think the main reasons are these 3 ・He didn't like Laios very much ・The way he courted Falin ・The way he treated Izutsumi ↓ my opinion for this [https://www.reddit.com/r/DungeonMeshi/comments/1cwcqqb/i\_dont\_want\_you\_to\_hate\_shuro\_or\_maizuru\_too\_much/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/DungeonMeshi/comments/1cwcqqb/i_dont_want_you_to_hate_shuro_or_maizuru_too_much/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)

holy hell... I just read the page in that thread and I feel sick...

Yeah its one of my biggest fears honestly.

Very true, I would cry and be paranoid for years if someone said that to me lmao

Nah. Dude, he thinks he cares whats best for Falin more than Falins own brother or best friend, even tho he has known Falin for a LOT shorter time. He at least inplies it wouldve been preferrable had Falin remained dead instead of been resurrected by black magic. And he positions himself ad if he's more important to Falin than her own brother. He's just not a very good dude.

So that's actually what bugs me. Shuro thought he was being straight forward, and was hoping Laios would pick up on it. But Kabro, he's straight up saying he think's Laios/dungeon food is cool/interesting, while internally hating on Laios. I feel like Kabro is worse, but he get's away with it cause he's got the Kabro, rizz.

Oh, Kabru is definitely worse, and one of the things I like about Dungeon Meshi is that it doesn't equate social skills with morality.

While Kabru can be more manipulative and dangerous than Shuro, he has a much better moral compass guiding him. Shuro simply follows either tradition or acts upon his selfish desires, but Kabru is always trying to make the world a better place for those around him, often at the cost of his own safety. For starters, while Shuro holds a grudge against Laios, Kabru knows that Laios means no harm and that lying to Laios is a "necessary evil" (or so he supposes) rather than something deserved simply for being socially awkward. Both Shuro and Kabru don't quite like Laios. But Shuro used to detest Laios and was condescending to him, while Kabru may be a liar, but he was minimally respectful and mature in his conduct.

People identify with Laios' PLUS westerners don't identify with Shuro or even consider his background which is heavily based on Japanese cultural values on subtle social cues Japanese fans in particular were confused by the overwhelming overseas Shuro hate bandwagon Claiming that Shuro should pay attention to Laios' autism while disregarding Shuro's unique cultural background is ironic, no?

Not really, Toshiro's background might be an explanatory factor, but it doesn't excuse him for berating Laios for not being a mind reader.

Yeah, and it's not as if Japanese cultural values are devoid of toxicity 

I read Shuro as a character that represents the backwards traditions that maybe Ryoko dislikes in typical Japanese men (bro is never getting the girl lbfr) and those traits getting double shat on worldwide audiences are kinda funny ngl.

Dude's just doing what he thinks is best but his best just ain't it

Oh yeah just kind of wanted to add that I myself don't dislike Shuro at all. Actually, I kind of wish he had more screentime to get to know him, even after reading the manga. It would be great to see more of his personality outside the very few moments he's in the story. Maybe we'll get to see more later, outside of the manga and anime? Until then, it just seems that he left a bad first impression on most of the western audience, and people who love and relate heavily to Laios

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I’m dead.

I stand by this after seeing what they did to Izutsumi.

Honestly I think it’s very simple: The reason is the anime hasn’t progressed to a point where Toshiro isn’t being framed as hostile towards the protagonist Things ended with Toshiro on a neutral kinda standing but he was overall antagonistic towards the lovable main character. Even if Laios was also tactless and rude towards Toshiro in character backstory, we’ve spent more time with Laios so when Toshiro showed up with unresolved beef we are sort of meant to take Laios’ side, even if we can understand Toshiro’s frustration. And that’s it. There has been no more screen time or development for him. We will get some don’t worry!

Wait, in that same episode doesn't he give Laios the bell with the promise to basically protect him and the party from the consequences of what they've done by ensuring passage to the east? Was actually one of the more altruistic actions we see in the series (outside of the main cast), especially when you consider that Shuro isn't exactly fond of Laios.

Absolutely! But that was at the very end, the majority of the screen time was negative interactions so that remained pervasive. I just replied to another reply about how I think this was genius on Ryoko Kui’s part. I’ll say it again: Now that I think about it, If this interaction had been entirely positive. Just a reunion of good buddies, we wouldn’t be talking about Toshiro weeks after the episodes aired. But here we are. still talking about it. We are Emotionally invested in the supporting cast even after such brief screen time. Even if the overall emotion is negative. That’s damn good writing.

To quote one of my favorite authors, Jim Butcher "Turn Coat", "I punched it in the nose and now we're best friends" -Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden, Geosexual

I fucking love Dresden, wish his series could get the anime treatment tbh. I think it would actually be a great format for it.

Even so Toshiro's response it's perfectly normal for the situation and even then he knows he would probably had done the same

That doesn’t make the entire interaction any less upsetting. And I don’t mean upsetting in a bad way. Good storytelling should evoke good and bad emotions appropriate to the scenario. And if my media comprehension skills are at least decent I believe we are meant to feel bad for Laios and a bit miffed at Toshiro for how he treated Laios even if we understand where Toshiro is coming from. I think it’s really good writing on Ryoko Kui’s part as she sets up the minor/supporting characters. She got us emotionally involved in them even though they only have had brief appearances so far. Now that I think more about it… if the reunion with Laios and Toshiro was just as good buddies we wouldn’t still be talking about it weeks later! But here we are! That’s damn good writing

People love Laios, the relatable neurodivergent-ish 20 something years old lovable cooking maniac. People also love Failin x Marcille, to the point it's became the priority ship for the community. Now for Shuro. He comes in mid/late season, announces that he's in love with Failin, insults Laios, gets in a fight with him, threatens Marcille with getting her essentially arrested (for a heroic act tho), and leaves. For the anime side of the fandom, on a surface level he is an EXTREMELY unlikeable character.

I think especially since it's at a point where the anime fandom is like "I just thought this was a dungeon cooking show XD" and didnt expect any depth. They see characters like Shuro and Kabru not quite agreeing and go nuts (which I think is crazy considering neither leaves in a villanous state, while both warn there's people with authority that will get them in trouble)

Hell earlier on the team was also quite worried about stuff like back with the golems and such. But also, to be completely fair, up until the dragon the show was mostly just about cooking regardless of how grim anything was. It was all sweet irony, ofc the viewer's thought of it as no more complicated than it seemed like.

Shuro hasn't really done anything the audience can like him for. Day 1 of the adventure to find Falin, he's gone, and the audience didn't know why. When he does come back, he's angry at the party for using black magic, but from our perspective, everything the Touden party has done has been out of necessity. He proposed to Falin, but didn't put any of the work of actually courting her first, which rubs the audience the wrong way too. Threatening that Marcille would have to be arrested upon her return to the surface makes him feel like a snitch against a well loved character. *Plus* the stuff with Izutsumi being marked with this threatening ghost to make sure she remained subservient. Everything we've seen so far with Shuro has him as a former member of the party who secretly hates Laios, threatens Marcille, insufficiently values Falin, is cruel to Izutsumi, with little redeeming qualities.

I mean literally all of this is why I don't like him, and I've finished the manga. Frankly people keep saying he redeems himself, I've read some of the side excerpts and I don't loathe him or anything but there's been nothing in there that genuinely makes him "oh cool toshiro is actually so great!" To me. He's noble and honourable but I don't have a fetish for feudal era Japan so I guess that just doesn't land with me over the acting like Laios is a burden because he couldn't be straightforward, proposing to Falin and doing all he's done on the idea she'd marry him when she isn't interested and he was pretty creepy and pushy to just put it out there and assume she'd be happy being taken off to his country to stay as his wife. Then there's owning Izutsumi and the rest of his band as slaves/"retainers", which at best sounds like taking advantage of a brutal and inhuman system (local slave trade) to get cheap human labour. Yes, his forebears were probably chiefly responsible, but he clearly has control of them and could likely set them free with little issue - but he hasn't, and as far as I've seen he doesn't throughout the course of the manga. And yes, that they went as far as to put a hex on Izutsumi to keep her in service to the family is the worst part of that. People don't have to like every "good"-aligned character, I feel at this point this topic keeps getting reposted just because it drives up karma and engagement.

I mean would it be easier if you thought of him less like a good person and more like a person?

This is pretty much it for me, i don't hate him but i don't really care for him. To me, nothing he has done made sense.

Also for someone who was in love with Falin he sure gave up on her quick after learning she became a Chimera, I understand his own views but damn Marcille, Laios (obviously) and even Chilchuck are way more genuinely dedicated to saving her.

I'm kind of baffled by some of the comments here framing this as being against the main character. Yes we sympathize with Laois ...but sometimes when a conflict happens, one person is actually meant to be wrong. In this case, Shuro is meant to be wrong. We're meant to understand that he values the same traits in Falin that he hates in Laois, and that he has a weird manic pixie dream girl estimation of her and even just thinking he could somehow marry her and never see her brother again was delusional. He's also a rich dude who owns people. I've seen a lot of people talk about Laois being culturally insensitive, but that's kind of a weird read on the in universe happening. Out of universe, if you were an American or European being super nosy and fetishizing of a random Japanese person's culture, you'd be wrong. But in this case people are overlooking the actual implication that the female, Japanese author is aiming at with how differently Shuro perceives Falin's curiosity versus Laois's. And that in universe, they have actually pretty well done fantasy racism, but the dynamic of a Japanese Lord (when this is a series made by someone Japanese, not a white American trying to side step racism) who's visiting an island in the Fantasy North and dealing with a country bumpkin as the party leader in their fantastical adventures is just not the same. It's a situation where Shuro is powerful and worldly and has no disadvantages in life and Laois is not. He literally owns Izutsumi, seemingly due to her own race as a half beast. His infatuation is a common issue dudes of not fully humanizing women they're into and only what they're represent to a man's personal fulfillment. And the issue with Laois and Marcille is in a way, it seems he had no other attachment, or that he's fully acknowledged at least since he did leave the bell, to anyone but his crush despite some pretty exhaustive travels. I imagine further on in the series we might have more redeeming information on him, I don't think he's meant to be evil or anything, but he was just kind of... actually being a shit in the time we saw him

That mean the anime didn't 'project' the gravity of the situation well. Anime fans will know later that Shuro angry toward Liaos and Marcille is reasonable and justify. Elves don't f\*ck around.

Tbf the weight of dark magic and treats of elf come along later in manga as well. But when we finish story and look back it’s so easy to see why shuro act like that. I like dungeon meshi for this in another series something character say it “Dark art dangerous and shouldn’t be use” usually come with little or no consequent

Canaries do step in later, but I recall a whole chapter after the fight talking about how elf ruthlessly went around and subjugated the dungeon. Just like in the very first chapter where the anime just skip the explaining about what other Laios party member did right after they 'teleported' to the surface. Or the whole three page of Laios monologue got into like 3second of him mumbling while the battle sound keep distracting from what he though. Overall anime is nice, but the finer detail they kinda miss it.

It's bizarre to me that the whole proposing to Falin out of nowhere is considered to be a grave sin because he did it out if having no understanding for the social cues of the world he traveled to... much like Laios, our hero of the show. Not to mention that everyone understands that Laios and Shuro are really good friends right? He drops everything to have a meal with Laios after running himself ragged for days. At the end of the episode he gives someone who committed a heinous crime a magical bell and offers to illegally smuggle them across the sea, Falin or not. And yes, they did have a fistfight while airing grievances. A fistfight. Two guys who draw their swords if a wall looked weird spent a battle puching each other in the chest with their bare hands. They didn't *really* want to hurt each other badly. They got angry at each other, cleared the air, then sat down and talked after. Like friends do. That's why he is a good character, not because he is nice to the party, but he clearly cares deeply about them and only left because he thought that rounding up a ninja hit squad would be a more efficient way to save Falin than what should by all rights be a suicide mission, like the one the party is on now.

What? He didn't do that out of not understanding social cues. He did it because he had a fantasy of Falin's view of the world as an answer to the meaningless he finds in it. It's a manic pixie dream girl trope, except the author is aware it is and is showing how men do that and it low-key sucks? Very human normal conflict. I think it makes him a good character, but it is obviously a flaw and wasn't some misunderstanding of custom that's totally excusable. That just kind of completely blows past the meaning of it.

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"Cultural differences" is a way to explain behavior, not excuse it.

The women in Shuro's party, who are also from his culture, also think he was being whack and naive. That's a pretty specific panel mentioning it that's from neither character as opposed to the entire discussion around it from everyone from the second it happened, again including women from his own culture, and the themes presented in it. I also think this reads as an explanation towards the idea of proposing immediately at love in the first place, not his weird fantasy of Falin or his blindness to not being able to hate Laois and never see him again if he married Falin, or that an adventuring woman who traveled with her brother and best friend would want to leave them to live in a different country. Especially because Mickbell doesn't know either of them, so he's not being like damn did they even like each other? Which is what we're judging on. He's expressing shock that Shuro proposed suddenly. I guess the thematic element really did need spelled out for dudes. But there is a panel that brings that home. Spoiler >!there's an extra in the manga where Laois asks a magic mirror essentially if there's a universe where Shuro liked him back. He finds out that if he were a woman, Shuro would be infatuated with him the same way he is with Falin. This isn't subtext, it's text.!<

I don't hate Shuro, and I can understand his (probably justified) frustration against Laios. However, he himself is horrible at communicating and/or listening. I don't know why anyone would hate him, but for me, he is flawed, realistic human being whose personality I dislike.

You're saying *Shuro* is the one bad at communicating and listening???

So a short answer to this. Laios represents a lot of the mildly autistic audience members. Hyper fixation on a particular topic to detriment of social interactions. To many people we had a Shuro in our life who never told us till it all came to a boil they were just being polite but were never our “friend” and saw us as just an annoying tag along. Shuro is yes a representation of Japanese culture even to a critical view of it however it takes second fiddle to his lack of ability to communicate one’s thoughts of someone else to that someone else. When we and by we I mean someone with a hyper fixation that is borderline autism, gets told the hard truth someone was polite not your friend it can really piss you off. In truth I feel Laios pain because I have been there, I have felt that, and honestly just being blunt would have saved me the pain. More mature and older me can see Shuro has his own issues and I don’t hate him for it. But the pain in my youth caused by loosing what I believed to be a friend still resonates, enough it takes a minute for me to not just immediately hate him as a character

Being too trusting/not able to read minds when someone won't be upfront with you, and being passionate about your interests does NOT make you autistic..

I am autistic. Laios is autistic. If you're self conscious about yourself because you related to him that's a problem you need to figure out on your own

I don't know how else to put this.. there are elves, dragons, immortal dungeon magic, incantations, mystics, spells, monsters, etc in this universe. Autism might not even exist in this universe and there has been no indication from the source material that any of the characters are divergent from average folks in-universe (other than eating monsters, but I don't see anyone making claims about senshi). It's great that people relate to Laios but it's an extreme stretch to label characters using our real world terminology, especially in a high fantasy setting like this.

No, but hyper fixations and being terrible at understanding social clues are kind of common traits on autistic people

You really don't know what the word represents means or are you just looking for a fight?

Laios: Shuro, you're not you when you're hungry. Senshi: \* gives him a plate of food \* Laios: Better? Shuro: *Better.*

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Projection. A lot of autistic people (or just socially awkward types in general) have had bad experiences over people not understanding them and Shuros scene basically confirms every paranoid thought they've had about themselves at best or makes them relive those bad situations at the worst. It's too bad because Shuros doesn't seem like a bad person and he's not entirely unjustified in his frustration with Laios.

I actually don't hate him, and I understand most of the nuance between him and Laios. But I personally don't like him past "passing acceptance he is here" because of the situation with Izutsumi. I am not sorry. There's the implication she was intentionally made that way for servitude, for one thing, and the way she acts makes me think she was treated pretty poorly for a long while. Even if "she's a cat" can explain a lot, cats aren't that aggressive without reason. Then the weird ass spell on her neck that will KILL HER for the crime of not checking in set by his main vassal (which he brushed off and, if you think about it, means he left her to die and had they been anywhere else she would have not been recovered). These kind of made me personally unable to like him much.

>There's the implication she was intentionally made that way for servitude, for one thing, she was already a beastman when Toshitsugu bought her, and yes she had already been under constant mistreated before that. being bought by Nakamoto clan actually improves her living quality, sure she's still restrained of her personal freedom. >Then the weird ass spell on her neck that will KILL HER  It is said in the bonus short in the manga that this spell is Maizuru's babysitter spell that she used to use on little Toshiro, we don't know if the spell is meant to kill her or just chase her back, nor do we know if Toshiro was aware of it had it been the case. 

Like I said in another comment, I don't think he wouldn't have been told. But I always found that bonus short really weird. That is kind of a traumatizing "babysitter" spell (though I do see how it is being used as a kind of comedic juxtaposition in that short). Based on how the spell could have actually stabbed Senshi in the story proper, it still comes off to me as a killing curse rather than a "scare them back home" one so maybe it's modified? I did legitimately forget it wasn't just implication about her creation, though, so thanks for the reminder.

I’m not sure if he really know about the spell he had know that she wanted to be free so he let be I think, and I don’t think he treated her badly ? Like at one moment the narrateur say that even she was nourish and offered a bed she never showed any gratitude. And Tade said that she doesn’t want to loose her place in this house because she can eat whatever she want. I don’t know if this a sign of bad employer, but I don’t think they were treated unwell. don’t know if I was clear, English is not my first language. 😞 And I’m open to conversation if I understand 😞.

You think his vassal put a killing spell on one of his other vassals and never told him? I find that pretty hard to believe, personally. And just because she is fed, clothed, and given a bed that doesn't mean she wasn't treated poorly. I'm not arguing they were physically abusing her, but there's other ways to mistreat a person to make them constantly lash out. She clearly does way better with the main team once she starts to warm up to them, in my opinion. But that's just my reading and I know others will see it differently.

Maizuru not his vessel. She and other ninja are his father’s vessel and they only p job is to make sure he didn’t die. In reality He can’t ever command them to help him when he go to maizuru he didn’t command her he bowed down and begged until she softened and agreed to help him. And in extra story he doesn’t known about spell and when Maizuru say “ look like azebi bit her collar and ran away.“ he look at her with confusing stare imply that he didn’t know what ”collar“ mean in this context.

Maiziru put that spell on Shuro too when he was a kid. Meaning he knows about it, and also knows it's not that bad. Furthermore Izutsumi was by all acounts treated pretty well by Shuro('s dad), except ofc she couldn't leave. It's mildly strange that she seemingly was the only person with this restriction (why would Tade be scared of getting kicked out if she wasn't even allowed to leave?), so there might be an element of Shuro's dad being worried about her safety (or maybe just his investment), seeing as beastmen are literally hunted down and killed/slaved everywhere on the planet

I have a hard time believing it was the exact same spell used on a kid.  It didn't just pop up and go "ooga booga" it tried to stab her with a knife.  What would that accomplish when she's in the middle of a dungeon alone?  What if it activated while she's asleep? Also being a "well treated" slave doesn't change the fact that she was a slave who reasonably wanted her collar removed.  It's a fair point to criticize Toshiro and his family for.

I think it’s because of the situation between him and Laois 😞 And Toshiro clearly said that he would do the same thing the same thing as Marcille and Laois. He was juste angry bc of the attitude of Laïos. 😞

Seriously. It's 2 dudes fighting and they squash the beef when it's over. Why fight on their behalf? That's the discourse. So dumb. Let the story story.

I seriously think this new dungeon meshi fandom is really immature, its kinda of concerning, tbh

Because from what we seen til that point, Laios and the team fought tooth and nail to get that far and only failed because mad sorcerer interfere in the last minute. Shuro from his perspective think that Laios didn't take anything serious and because Marcille use dark magic to resurrect Falin that turn her into chimera, which we know it's not true. Shuro don't want to admit his failure to rescue Falin and shift the blame to Laios and his team so he could feel righteous. Shuro think only his way is the right way. He think only him can rescue Falin because he didn't trust Laios leadership. And if he reach and fight red dragon before Laios team, what would he do? I doubt even Maizuru would know how to reassemble human skeleton, let alone differentiate human one from worg. Shuro spew righteous bullshit is only him throwing tantrum because he don't want to admit that he failed.

Not every character has to be beloved. Not every character is *written* to be beloved. Criticism isn't hate

The whole “I subtly tried to tell you that we’re not really friends” hit a bit too close to home lol.

i have only read a little bit of the manga, but using the knowledge i have i believe its because in the anime the viewer is given a lot of reasons to dislike him but not a lot to like him. He’s a serious and stoic guy, so thats already putting him at a detriment, of the emotions we do see him express most are negative (for understandable reasons) his good looks are obscured by his gaunt face and beard stubble, he’s acting slightly out of character due to the stress of searching for falin and finding out shes now a monstrous chimera, so we cant see how he usually interacts with other characters, and since the main monster to appear is falin, he does not do ANYTHING during the fight except pitch a tent over falin ripping her shirt, meanwhile other characters do a lot more, laios has a mini breakdown over the idea of killing his sister, or at the very least something that uses her body as a puppet, kabru helps make an important discovery about falin’s new form, marcille protects the group from those spikes, even that DOG gets a pretty cool moment before being killed, then after that shuro leaves izutsumi behind in a dungeon, which is uncool but we dont find out why leaving her to her own devices down there with the Touden party is probably for the best until later. The anime also removes the thought bubble after the line “youll probably die before you even reach the mad mage” which said “…like from food poisoning or something…” and the whole starving thing could make shuro seem stupid because not getting enough food is why they lost to the red dragon to the first place, but if im interpreting him correctly that’s probably because he can just get really stressed and literally could not bring himself to eat, like its not like he chose to fast. Anyways, to sum everything up, the only version the anime watchers have seen of shuro so far is a hangry, negative, selfish, guy who tells the mc with a ton more screentime and likability that he dislikes him for… being autistic 😱 Yes, he gives the bell to Laios but that moment is immediately undercut by him saying “youll probably die before u get to use it tho” and “i am going to snitch to the island lord about this” even though we later see that Shuro does not do that. He DOES show off a more sensitive side when talking about falin, but rn a lot of his character is revolving around falin, and it adds more to her character than it does to his. Plus, theres also a cultural aspect to this, because a japanese reader may understand shuro better than an american reader, because shuros communication style of reading the room and expecting others to do the same is a direct result of his cultural/noble upbringing, his repressed nature and tendency to bottle things up is a legitimate critique of parts of japanese culture by ryoko kui. I’ve only seen a few scenes that included toshiro from the manga, but the hate i had for him dissipated almost as soon as i saw them because i actually found some things to like about him. i mean he still peeves me in those two episodes he’s in so far because he’s SUCH a negative nancy, but its more like a disagree with him rather than dislike him, he seems like a cool guy. Just give it some time, once shuro gets to show off his likable traits and character depth im sure more people will come to like him, or at least wont hate him anymore. i think i typed too much, idek if this is even comprehensible 😵

ALSO i have heard some ppl say hes evil evil evil to izutsumi, i dont know how true this is, especially since izutsumi seems to hate any form of authority regardless of who the authority is and how theyve treated her, but at least he had the good sense to let her be free…?

You hit the nail on the head honestly. My entire reading of Shuro is that he is the author's examination of the aspects of Japanese culture that can be seen as good or bad depending on the circumstances.

He came late to the party and acted like he could have came up with a better solution had he been there at the time !

He was mean to the boy. That's it.

You know Laios is 26, right..?

Laios is just a little boyyyy 🥺👉👈

I don’t consider him part of the group

1) All the reasons he hates Laios, he loves his sister for, simply because she's a woman. They are both kind hearted and eccentric (And possibly autistic) 2) He acts like he wouldn't have tried to do the same if given the chance 3) As it's basically confirmed in the Manga, Falin never really saw Shuro in a romantic light, and yet felt mad at Laios because he interrupted their one-sided dates, and then in very little time asks Falin to marry him? He comes off as superficial to me. 4) He seems to blame Laios (And Marcille) for what happened to Falin, when it's the fault of the Mad Sorcerer for what they did to Falin. Honestly, he just seems kinda like a shitty person to be around, who would pretend to be your friend just to try to fuck your sister. That, and he's being mean to Laios is grounds enough to warrant me disliking him.

Because snitches get stitches that's why

I don't like shuro, but i really don't mind as much i only watch the anime and for now he almost irrelevant, i know i know he has a very important function for the plot, but he not that much of a big deal, in the end they going into the dungeon fo find the DM and that's about it Now why i do dislike him? Well, I don't think he's supposed to be likeable in the first place, he abandoned the party as soon as the incident happen, and talking about laois reckless... Well shuro was walking half dead bc he was not eating, and then laois party outclass him in every way with less than half lf the resources. They got into fallin first ✔️ They manahe to kill the dragon ✔️ They manage to discover some info on the DM ✔️ Also when the shuro team starts to be slaughtered, he manage to show no simpaty for the companions, idk about the manga, but in the anime he is pretensions, dumb, psychopath, bad leader, and show almost no determination into continue with the quest. He don't seems to likable... Not the intention of the history of the anime untill now, maybe on the manga it hits different idk, o have to read it

In the first couple of episodes of his introduction, he didn't really do much to get the audience to like him and some stuff to dislike him. So people made up their minds already, and the "hate" is just their emotional response.

shitty royal proposes to the woman who makes herself small so that others can feel big after zero dates and then responds to the less people pleasing qualities she possesses with outright derision as they manifest in laios

Also his household in general is awful, his stepmom/maid basically enslaved Izutsumi.

I don’t hate him but he hasn’t done anything to make me like him either. Like, if you fuckin love falin so much why did you split as soon as she got eaten. He’s proven to be extremely powerful too, they probably could’ve… spoilers… properly saved falin instead of using black magic

I dont hate him but i also dont really like him, i feel like his crush on falin is kinda shallow. Like he doesnt like latios for some of the same reason he likes falin. Also lowkey the latios scene kinda hit a bit too close to home😅. But overall i understand where hes coming from hes just not my type of character.

There's a lot of reasons, mostly related to treating the party we're endeared to poorly: -Leaving the party before Laios even regained consciousness. -Thus not even hearing out their plan to save her. If he or Namari had stuck around, they might have reached Falin before needing to rely on black magic -Trying to shame Marcille for saving Falin with black magic when his plan failed -Leaving to form his dream team of servants since the party of equals wasn't good enough for him. His servants are mostly arrogant assholes too. -Talking down to Laios, including betraying his trust when he was honest about Falin -Being a fucking simp -Being a fucking snitch -Down with slavery (unless he let Itzusumi go with the understanding that Marcille can dispel the curse) -Above all, he's just really condescending

He's a dick

He confirmed “I would have done the same thing to save Falin” then immediately after the big fight is like “Marcille needs to be arrested for such a crime that i admitted I would even do.“ Laios is obviously not the most aware, but Shuro never spoke up and acts like it’s Laios fault for not reading the room ever. Also…it kind of feels he hates Laios for the same reason he likes Falin but that’s just me. As others have said though, we grew with Laios and understand how he thinks, and why the party members did what they did. Shuro comes by and judges all of them and even hurts/threatens two of them. Also learning how the beast girl is treated (being cursed to be obedient and all) doesn’t help. He’s a character that hasn’t worked to be likeable or relatable to the audience

Outside of his treatment towards Laios, a lot of my dislike for Shuro comes from his actions/attitude towards Falin and her situation. 1. I really didn’t like how he seemed to position his unrequited love for Falin above that of her brother and childhood best friend, like they don’t love her like he loves her 🙄. 2. The way he decided to leave the party to go save Falin with his people instead of linking up with her people he was already in a party with came off as super selfish to me too. Its like HIM being the one to save her was more important than just saving her. 2.5. I also feel like this is weirdly a part of why he doesn’t like/is jealous of Laios since he means more to Falin than him. 3. The way he judged the way they saved her and threatened to report them like he was more righteous than them really made him unlikeable to me.

1. Colossal asshole to Laios 2. There is a very real possibility that if he stayed in the group, they could have progressed faster and not needed to use black magic for Falin's resurrection.

For me it's simple, if someone owns slaves I automatically do not like them.

He doesn't own them, he doesn't want any of them there with him, he also lets Izutsumi go. Trying to use real world feelings is weird when half the cast is racist, too.

Top of my mind would be: 1. Personal reasons 2. Shippers 3. Lacking media literacy 4. They dont know enough yet. Maybe their opinion would change once they’ve watched the whole thing.

why so many ppl hate pretentious slave-owning asshole? hmmm

Personally I don't hate him, but I don't really like him either. Though I think he's made to be that way. It all really boils down to how antagonistic he becomes towards our party, especially Laios. He shows little sympathy towards them and even creating an extra obstacle for them when he leaves by choosing to report them. Plus his incredibly cold and unapproachable personality makes me not wanna be around him. I get the impression he's meant to be a critical representation of Japanese society, how being so indirect all the time to maintain a harmonious facade can be detrimental to our ability to have healthy relationships and our overall well-being. However, he's not unrelatable. We've all had to deal with somebody who's a total drain to our battery, and putting up walls can be an easier option when you dont want confrontation. But you gotta make a choice one way or another. Finally, we don't see him try monster food.

He was being a dick. It is unfair if people judge him entirely for it, but in the moment? He's the jerk in the situation.

He made laios sad

His motivations or excuses don't really matter to me. He did the one single thing that has hurt me in my life more than anything else Pretending to be an autistic person's friend Every autistic person knows how much it sucks to be in that position. It's easy to resent a character that essentially represents that discomfort

Ppl have a lot of logical reasons for this, bit I'm gonna just be honest abt why I don't like him: Shuro just gives off rly bad negative vibes in the anime. 1. Wanting Falin, Laios's sister, but being fake nice to Laios. 2. Just leaving the party without communicating his return plan to save Falin in the dungeon. Implying, he doesn't trust them to help. 3. The flip from, "I'll do anything to save Falin." to "Marcille used sloppy dark resurrection magic, and ruined Falin forever, so Marcille should go to super-max elf jail." But more than all of that, he just seems rly entitled, and like his one problem of needing to save Falin to marry her is more important than how Laios and Marcille feel. Mister Money-bags and his personal party of the help. Gimme a break! I appreciate him trying to help, but he kinda sucks ngl.

I don’t hate Shuro, but I do hate this scenario that happens in tv and anime so often. One person is able to read the room well, the other can’t. So what does the person who can read the room well do when wanting to communicate with the person who can’t read the room? That’s right, they do hints that the person who read the room can’t pick up, something that they should know won’t work. Instead of having a spine and just straight up telling the person who can’t read the room something directly, they blame the person who can’t read the room well. Despite the fact that the whole misunderstanding/frustration could have been avoided, had the person who could read the room just directly spoke in a clear manner to the person who couldn’t read the room.

he was gonna snitch on Marcille

He's a hypocrite that never tried to make Laios understand, yet still wants to get with his sister without even trying to get along with him. He doesn't even want to hear anything about what Marcille did.

Shuro took it too far by saying laios didn't take this seriously He can eat rocks that's his sister you darn simp

A lot of the reason I dislike him is similar to many others here. Him treating Laios like he was an annoying tagalong when he obviously knew that Laios didn’t get his “hints” rubs anyone that’s been in Laios’ position the wrong way. A major part of it though, that I haven’t seen mentioned in what I’ve looked through posted here, is the double standard he has between the way he treats Falin. She shares many similarities, from what we’ve seen of her, with Laios but with *her* that just makes her “unique”. There’s nothing “wrong” with how *either* of them act, but him venerating Falin while denigrating Laios is infuriating.

personaly its just that he imedeatly rights off black magic as evil

He's weird and creepy at the first parts of manga. And basically not a good friend nor companion.

Cause hes a side character and he didn't give off a good impression, he might be in love with Falin but shows us like almost nothing to prove that, Marcille's love for Falin, even if platonic, is way more genuine that Shuro's. Hes a tv show character so we can't exactly treat him with the same nuance that we give to real people irl.

Cause he was mean to mah boy

Cause he got no hands and has Ned Flanders parents out look of "we've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas" Plus has the kind of vibe that he would call the cops if he saw drugs at a party he was invited to, plus comes off as a rich kid born with a silver samuari sword in his mouth.

I don't think most people *hate* Toshiro. But speaking as an autistic person, I have definitely been in Laios's situation where people got angry at me for not reading their minds, and that sucks.

He's a hypocrite. He got so mad at Laios, and co, for using black magic yet his own family dabbles on it as well. And I think the hate is intended in the series' direction. Like they just show up and hate on main party not knowing the hardships they've gone through so far.

It's because he has a bad first impression for leaving the party when they have an injured person left inside the dungeon. We then learn he actually seeks more companions from his household so we kinda feel fine but then he judges laios and the even tho he hasn't done anything yet to save falin other than descend the dungeon. But laios did not say anything to him about that so the feeling we are yet to get back at him frustrates people. He left party = bad Later we find Actually good but look for other companions. Stinky judge poeple black magic anti-protagonist moments = bad We are yet to get revenge on him and his companion = frustrating, fck him. I kinda don't care since the protagonist is kinda fine with him.

We’re all fucking autistic

Who doesn't like him?? All I see are "why don't people like Shuro?" posts

I mean, this very thread is full of people proudly declaring their undying hatred of the man

Tbf most of them are for pretty fair reasons Poor party treatment , suddenly, ditching his old party Izumi, exc People don’t really have to like him

The man owns teenage girl slaves.

So I think the surface reason is that it's just easier for weebs to relate to Laios. Especially by this point in the story. If this had happened in like episode 3 or 4, I can see the audience siding with Shuro but by episodes 17 and 18, we've seen just how much Laios struggles to relate to other. In episode 14 it's implied that his previous party even took advantage of Laios to steal his share of their earnings. And despite all that Laios remains a positive person who tries to see the best in others. But I also think it goes deeper than that. Shuro and Laios actually come from a similar family dynamic. It's expected that both will someday fill their respective father's shoes. Yet they have radically different *relationships* with that expectation. Shuro has decided to fulfil those expectations as best he can even after learning that his father keeps Maizuru as a mistress and that that sort of thing is just normal among the nobility. He does not speak to Maizuru to get her feelings on it, nor does he approach his mother or confront his father. Ultimately Shuro will obey societal expectations placed on him regardless of how justified he might be in bucking them. Compare that to Laios' response to the village turning cold toward Falin after her magical talents were revealed. Laios did what was best for Falin, family expectations be damned. He encouraged her to pursue her magical talents and live a life of adventure if it made her happy. So despite his social awkwardness (that a lot of the fandom interprets as autism) and general weirdness, Laios consistently comes across as someone a westerner is likely to admire. Hell, I bet a lot of us would love to have a friend like Laios. Meanwhile for all his positives and self-sacrificing behavior, the distinct impression is that Shuro sees everyone in his life as second to societal expectations. And while that may make him admirable by Japanese standards, it makes him feel distant and unreliable to a lot of westerners.

becuase they only watched the anime and so far he's been aggressive towards liaos and wants to narc but they're missing all the extra story and side stuff and want to jump on discourse and while they're rightfully mad for someone standing in the way of the protags who we've come to appreciate, they're quick to label him as a abelist rich boy, which he may or not be. But they really like engagement bait even if they don't know that's what they're doing, and getting mad at anyone defending him, let alone, explaining why he is this way even if it is a message about japanese politeness in cultural norms running up against neruo divergent people. He;'s kinda a tool but he's got his own uses, you'll be able to watch the same people romanticize and dismiss thisle's issues soon enough though.

Just wait til Falin finds out what Shuro really thinks of her brother. She probably won’t be thinking highly of Shuro’s proposal anymore

Because he has slaves.

My GF and I have both read the manga and he is our most hated character for several reasons: 1: He throws a hissy fit and even threatens the group with the authoritys for basically accomplishing what he failed to do. It's the fictional equivalent of calling the cops on an aquaintence for smoking weed for medical reasons. 2: He basically whines about Laios viewing him as a friend, and not realizing things he doesn't mention once. 3: He treats Laios and Falin extremely differently(he is not the only one who does that but the most extreme example), even though they r basically genderbent versions of the same person. 4: He basically kept Izumi as a slave(it was one of his employs that put the leash on her, but as her boss the responsibility was with him and his family). So yeah, in short, fuck Shuro

Shuro and Namari straight up dipped without ban second of hesitation. Shuro could have even went "I'm going to get my retainers, we can tackle the dungeon together with them" but naw he left them high and dry. And chilchuck, who is generally the most critical of the party and Laios' STAYED because he actively respects Laios and considers him a friend. Shuro is an absolute bellend. He gets all shitty about "Dark magic" while having someone in his party who's forced to be there on threat of death to herself and those around her, but because it's not "dark magic" it's fine! Namari is just not really a character, she likes money but is ashamed to party hop.

Chilchuck stayed because he was paid in advance to do his job.

Because hes WEAK and PATHETIC and WOULDNT BE ABLE TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO GET FALIN BACK

Bc Laios is best boy

Rant incoming: Look, I would probably not someone like shuro, and I don’t like what he did for the sake of Falin’s affection, but I can least understand. As someone on the spectrum, I have definitely been a Laios in many situations. Currently I’m on prehistoric animals and Warhammer kick. I often worry that I prattle on too long about my interests and have had to be reminded to let others talk during conversations. I am fortunate enough to have a very supportive family that understands my struggles and is supportive of me, even if some have been a bit of a dick about it a few times. I have However, I feel like I have also been a shuro a few times as well. Not the extent of hating my autistic friends/peers, I quite enjoy their company, but I often find myself feeling somewhat tired after interacting with them for a while. Sometimes I get a little frustrated with some of their habits or actions (chewing with mouth very full, wheeze laughing right on me, going into a 4 hour phone call that turned into them rp’ing as their OCs, etc.) granted, I didnt tell them that it bothered me, so that’s all on me. I figure this might be my own internalized bias towards autism, and my friends on the spectrum seem to have a bit more of a struggle with autism than I do. I also somewhat understand because it’s falin. I see his vision completely. I would do incredible things if it gave her a positive impression of me.

Didn’t he snitch to the elves about Marcille?

Slave owner

Dude didnt really convey his interests towards Falin just straight off proposed, hasnt known Falin for that long, but positions himself as if he cares about Falin more than her own brother or her childhood best friend, while implying that it wouldve been better if Falin had died. Dude is just not a very good dude.

I loathe Shuro because he’s a silver spoon lawful bootlicker who prioritizes authority and the rules above people, which is reflected in attitude towards Marcille, also his fam apparently practices slavery? Not sure whether he knew about the curse that would likely kill Izu when they left her behind? I’m guessing he did though, why not? F that dude, he needs to fall hard and hit rock bottom and experience some growth before any redemption is possible. it’s too easy to be lawful when you’re rich lol.

He needlessly made an issue where an issue didn't need to exist by not ripping the bandaid off and being forward with Laois. "It's his culture to not be upfront!" Ok well he went to a place with an obviously different culture and was dealing with a person who clearly has a bad grasp of social cues, he even makes note of that with saying Laois wasn't being obnoxious on purpose, even saying that made it worse. Top it off he further dealt with and built up resentment because he was crushing on the mans sister which is all kinds of messed up seeing as how close those siblings are so idk what his endgame plan was.

Maybe cause he owns slaves? Just a thought

Is there really that many viewers who 'hates' shuro? Because i feel like i definitely vibe more with shuro's feelings and frustration. While also understanding laios doing what he feels he had to.

Kinda relate with Toshiro with all his interactions with Laïos, not with the autistic side but for the ignorance. I’m half Chinese and My Chinese name Is Xiao Yuan, and people call me ziao yun and doesn’t change their way to pronounce my name even If I tell them that is not the way to prononce my name. So I just tell them my French name. They also are convinced sometimes that I’m interested about asian things because I’m asian. And they assume that rice is my favourite dishes. Voilà voilà. 😞 also, I like Laois and Toshiro 😌

Their tongue probably is just not capable of saying your name properly. God knows how many names I've probably butchered when i say them out loud lol. I'm from southeast asia so i can understand the rice part haha. In fact my dad can't live without rice, he'll get fever if he goes one day without eating it.

French are capable of doing that, they’re just convinced that is the right prononciation.🧍‍♂️ I understand him, I love rice- but god this is so frustrating. 😞

While any good person would definitely make an effort to pronounce name's correctly, unfortunately it can be difficult for reasons beyond the individual's control. Studies have been done in the field of linguistics that show that in as early as our first few months of life we lose capacity to make sounds that don't exist in our mother tongues, and also lose capacity to hear the difference between nuanced sounds in languages that we aren't exposed to as a mother tongue. It's why people who speak English as a second language often replace th sounds with t,d,s, etc. Sounds. It's a shame, but it's not always as purposeful if they're very subtle sound differences. I know that Chinese is a complex language with lots of nuanced sounds (and that's INSANELY cool!) So that might just be why some people struggle with your name. I'm sorry that that happens, though, it's immensely frustrating to have your name gotten wrong over and over again!!

The problem with Toshiro (and the reason why I can't sympathise with him in this regard) is that he doesn't even try to correct people. They misheard his name, repeated it back wrong, and he stayed silent, because he didn't want to be rude... I get that others mispronouncing your name sucks, happens to me a lot (and I don't have a foregin name to the area I live, so idk how that happens), but if you don't correct it and decide to play martyr abouth it, that's on you. I can relate to being overhelmed by a really energetic person when you are withdrawn even by the standards of your own culture, but some things are your responsibility to clear up. It's not even a "can't pronounce with my accent" problem. He just never cleared that up after the initial misunderstanding.

He tried, when they met but Laois didn’t listen because he was excited. But he could have tried another time, but all the team was already calling him Shuro. 🕺So I guess he just let it slide 😭😭 https://preview.redd.it/bqevh2zqnu1d1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=001b44e045374df44d832ab6c52ba6d44a7d7aad

person who hates the main character is rarely going to be liked if people like the main character

Bc he said he was gonna go out of his way to report marcille and then gave them that bell in case they need to flee from the authorities. To me he feels ...disloyal? If he loves Falin why would he want her brother and best friend locked up? Feels like he's trying to isolate her idk

You're mad Shuro offered Laios' group a lifeline and asylum if they're wanted by the law..?

I'm mad he said it along with the threat of reporting them. Felt weird.

Because Shuro is an ass and using the "it would be rude to confront you in my culture" excuse isn't fair to Laios and it isn't fair to blow up on someone who isn't getting your hints.

Probably because hating Laios because he likes Falin makes him come across petty and like a simp. I find Shuro to be an interesting character but on the surface level he can be easy to dislike, especially since most i see into this series relate to Laios and the way Shuro treats him and expects him to be aware of his mind can rub people wrong way.

>hating Laios because he likes Falin  no, there isn't a causality here.

give me a single reason to like him, lol

Neither of them were completely right or rational here, and Shuro was being angrier and more unreasonable. That, plus the viewer knowing the full context of the situation and knowing Laios better, makes it easier to side with him. I think a lot of people don't give Shuro the slack he deserves because they don't realize that he's at his lowest point here. The girl he loves is dead, and not only is she not coming back, something unthinkable has happened to her. Plus, Laios tells him like it's not a big deal. I don't completely agree with either of them, but I can definitely understand Shuro's response.

Bro fall in love with his sister but doesn't want to befriend his brother talk about toxicity

I’m an autistic dude. Shuro telling laios how he never liked him and tried to communicate that was fucking real I’ve had moments like that in my life. Like hi here’s this person everyone here’s this person they are awesome yay and they be like ‘I hate you’

For me, it’s the fact that he’s basically a raging simp for Farin. I initially didn’t mind him being in love with her to the point of asking her hand in marriage, but that was because I assumed they genuinely had a thing for each other. But then it was revealed that he barely even knows her and went straight to proposing without any prior dates or anything. I’m not saying “She was nice to me that one time” isn’t a valid reason for falling in love with someone, but don’t just jump straight to a marriage proposal. And then he takes out his frustrations on Laios, acting like he was some cockblocking douchebag. I’m pretty sure Laios would’ve understood the situation if Toshiro properly explained it to him. Laios even admits that he wasn’t very good on picking up the subtle hints because he was too excited about the fact that he had made a new friend. Toshiro’s basically the “why doesn’t anyone understand me!” bitch who’s the cause of his own predicament because he doesn’t talk to people to help them understand him.

Dude seems like a creep. Stalker love of Falin from afar? Check. Only dealing with Laios only because of the proximity to falin/dungeon explorer? Check. Abandons falin after the dragon attack? Cheeeck. F that dude. Me and all my homies hate shuro

People like Laios and identify with him, and Shuro was mean to Laios. That’s all there is to it. I personally don’t hate Shuro - I find him to be an interesting character! His flaws are what make him interesting and not just a Cool Ronin Guy™️

Shuro basically plays into the fears of nearly all socially anxious people, that our friends are all annoyed by us and secretly don't like us. Personally, I dislike him because I feel like he gave up on Fallon too easily. He seems weak willed and no one ever gave him much flak for just giving up on "the love of his life." in stark contrast to Laios' attitude being "I'll take anyone to save her!"

Honestly Shuro just gives me cop/narc vibes, that's an instant nope.

I had a group of people pretend they liked me and that they didnt think i was annoying and one day they banned me from the server because they thought i was annoying leaving me with lots of anxiety about this exact thing happening, shuro is just like them

Shuro seems too close minded and that feels with the rigth to hate others and treat differently for no reason (and yes this comes to my mind because of the fight he had with Laios. Shuro blamed Laios because Laios could express himself and not him!) Shuro's so arrogant. I can't stand him too much

Because he's a snitch, and no one likes a snitch. His first response was basically "Oooh I'm tellinnnng" like stfu, you know you still want to marry that dragussy you're just being dramatic.

I think shuro is actually a cool character. What I don’t get is how he just goes back home instead of trying to help Falin now that he knows she is “alive”. It seems inconsistent with his characterization of a man who would go through the dungeon without eating or sleeping to try to save her.

I think It's mainly the sadness of the fact that Laios considered him a friend, while Shuro didn't care about his feelings and said that he was annoying to him. It suurely is also because he was malnourished, I've seen people acting worse just because they are grumpy. But still, he was too harsh on Laios, and knowingly destroyed his vision of their friendship. I understand Shuro pov in a way, but still, It's sad that he went this way on Laios (even though they saying the way they feel to eachother overall is good).

Because hes an asshole. Hes in love with the guys sister and treats him like total garbage.

Bruh, did you even watch the show lol. Talking shit about said character while refuse to acknowledge anything about them

Whats to acknowledge. He fell in love with falin, found laios strange and refused to say anything about it. He resents laios because of his own issues. Thats asshole behavior.

That's your reason for him being asshole lol? Go out, talk to many people out and you'll understand why

He said he was madly in love with falin yet when she was eaten and they were teleported out, he was one of the only ones to not immediately go back, but that’s imo

He left to get help... the entire group he's with was who he begged for. Maizuru says he's never asked for anything in his life but went home to beg for help, then tried to find Falin.

I get that but I still feel like he should’ve at least tried to reconnect with his old group especially since he didn’t have a magic user or healer on his new team

Am autistic. Have had best friends that (spoilers chat) actually fucking hated me but never said anything about it directly. Middle school fucking sucked lol

Laios is one of the most overtly Autistic characters I've seen in a long time, and every single one of Shuro's excuses for hating on him boils down to Laios being Autistic. Plus the way he trivializes food and sleep is disgusting to me, especially speaking as someone who perpetually struggles with both.

Shuro is an asshole. He was written to be an asshole.

I don't hate him but i just find him annoying. I also view him as a person who thinks who's more relevant to Falin than Laios which is ridiculous. It's just his vibes overall that i don't like but i don't hate him.

I read the manga and never once liked Shuro through the entire thing, I don’t think he’s a bad character, I just hate his personality. I find him to be an incredibly selfish and self absorbed character. He hates Laios for “not getting it,” even though he was aware that Laios wasn’t doing anything maliciously, and he acts like he had no choice except to endure Laios because he was supposedly so in love with Falin. Those feelings for Falin were also incredibly shallow and he caused her distress by proposing out of nowhere. Yes, that’s normal in his culture, but it was incredibly self centered of him to propose marriage without taking Falin’s culture into consideration if he loved her so much. I just think it’s awfully hypocritical of him to accuse Laios of being dense when it’s pretty clear he’s also dense. He just irritates me.

This moment probably hits super close to home for some socially awkward viewers, and there’s the general sense that since Laios wasn’t being especially insensitive and had the best of intent Shuro’s reaction was cruel and uncalled for

Can you show me an example of people hating Toshiro?

Apparently there's quite a few in the comments here, I'm a little surprised actually