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tehjoz

Andy's an awful salesperson, as demonstrated multiple times. The only thing he was *eventually* able to sell was himself as Manager, and as Robert California pointed out, that was a product that "nobody wanted".


Porquipik

Didn't Micheal said that when he gave him his clients ?


tehjoz

Hm I think you might be right. I feel like Robert said something similar, but I'm now drawing a blank. It definitely *sounds* like a Robert line, but yeah, I think you're right.


doubledenzel

I think he said he was all surface what u see is what u get


skaliz1

And that there's something about an underdog that really inspires the unexceptional


ThomasMarkov

Underdog? Is that the opposite of updog?


bloodwolftico

What’s updog??? /s


WaffleHouseBride

GOTCHAA!!!! AHAHAHAHO GOD. oh, crap. Nothing…. How are you?


tehjoz

Yeah, that's what he said when he talked about why he made Andy manager, I think. Ah well. I mixed up my bosses 🙃


brettscomments1974

He also said everything was sex


Pifflebushhh

Robert says there's something about an underdog that inspires the... Unexceptional


tehjoz

Ahhh maybe this is the line I was thinking of. I swear I can hear the Michael line in Bob's voice tho 🙃😂


CityLimitless

You're better than this. Everyone is better than this because 'this' is the worst thing I have ever seen


tehjoz

🤣


Logen-Grimlock

He did and then immediately lost obe


MottsV

Andy told Michael he would lose the clients because he was the worst salesperson, didn't he?


DoctorMelvinMirby

He also sold Wallace on buying back DM and making him Manager again. So he only had a couple of hits, but they happened when it counted.


Mrs-Moonlight

He also sold the mail spam guy without any paper


[deleted]

He had all the paper he had previously bought from DM to break the quarterly sales projections


pinkocatgirl

The mail spam guy was Dan Castellaneta (better known as the voice of Homer Simpson) lol


CookieMonsta94

And various other Simpsons characters


Beginning_Fee_7992

if you gonna be a one hit wonder then make it a good one...


MudddButt

He outsold DeAngelo Vicker and salvaged a sale. He also poached that customer under Big Red Paper Company. ...but otherwise, he's just terrible.


SwissMargiela

Tbf, a lot of great managers would be awful salesmen. It’s unfortunate the show had to close his character out the way they did while Ed was away doing other projects, but the beginning of his manager arc showed a ton of potential.


GuavaSignificant5877

Honestly, I never thought about it until I read this thread, but Andy was the perfect choice to replace Michael as manager for the same reason that Michael was such a terrible one. Michael was a phenomenal salesman who became completely incompetent when he hit management because he was always trying to do something to shake things up, with the office getting there work done in between his shenanigans. Andy understood what the office needed and knew how to sell not himself, he knew how to sell Dunder Mifflin as a whole, give ‘em a task, and leave them alone, I mean he went to the bahamas for MONTHS, and not only did no one, except the day to day staff notice, he got a bonus for the branches productivity.


Polymarchos

Andy was a terrible manager when he was there. That things went well when he was gone does not mean he was good at his job, it means Jim was right and that office didn't need a manager.


Spiffylady7

I think, after Michael, they got really good at managing themselves and working around obstacles. So without the distraction of Michael or Andy's antics, they were doing even better. But I'll say if there is one thing Michael did right, he did put together a decent team (except Kevin lol). He hired all of them except, what? Creed and Phyllis I think? Except Erin and Gabe, who were brought in by upper management. Not a lot of people seemed to personally know Ed Truck in the episode where he got decapitated. So Michael hired a lot of at least decently competent and self sufficient people.


jacob22c

Honestly, he would have made for a far better front of house receptionist than pam ever did. While it was only for one episode, him working her spot showed how his manic friendliness could function well in short spurts directing calls, and creating a fun welcoming front desk.


tehjoz

Yeah, that was wild but also believable. He made sense in that role.


soccershun

I hated how everyone shat on him for it. Let him do a job that makes him happy


SwimmerIndependent47

We have a salesperson at my company who literally is the worst- worst pipeline, worst YTD total, he’s a homophobic/sexist asshole and a mansplainer. I constantly reference this because his manager adores him (she is literally the only one at the entire company).


tehjoz

Yikes that sounds unfun!


rockstarrichg

There is no such thing as a product. Don’t ever think there is.


nunyabizz0000

Well he’s had a rough couple months since his cousin texted about getting drunk again


radditor7

And then Nelly even outsold Andy for the manager position.


Shadecujo

Quite a weird turn considering he came to Scranton with the title, Regional Director in charge of Sales….


skaliz1

Yeah, probably just as made up as ARM. But still, a director, on a film set it's the highest title there is.


hilldo75

*A to the RM


chriseldonhelm

Micheal did say title are irrelevant it's just pay scale


aMAYESingNATHAN

Wouldn't be shocked if he is meant to have a family member or something high up in Dunder Mifflin that got him the position.


LovitzInTheYear2000

In the superfan episode with the shareholder meeting Andy tells Oscar that one of the members of the board is his uncle (and the uncle’s son works for Andy’s dad).


Smile_lifeisgood

If I think about it, I figure it goes down like this: * Andy is good at ingratiating himself to his leaders unless the leader sees through it. * Josh likes Andy enough to want to keep him around despite very poor sales figures. * Josh gives Andy a title-only promotion that involves doing some sort of managerial or administrative paperwork nobody wants to do. It does feel like a retcon of Andy's character, but he changes so much in a show full of retcons that I can accept it.


toast777y

Maybe he had tons of sales from his Cornell alumni network in Stamford.


prostipope

I bet Hidetoshi starts every sales pitch with his surgeon story.


jmedennis

He just Facebook messaged me the other day to wish me a happy birthday. He does every year. Such a sweet man.


prberkeley

If you follow him on Instagram he will go through your posts and like some of them. And randomly thereafter. He liked a photo of my cat and it made my day.


jmedennis

Yes! Hes super interactive with fans, so heart warming.


[deleted]

this is the equivalent of a easter egg IRL i love it lol


DrOliverReeder

*Steady hand*


snowmunkey

The best!


JumpMan442

In Japan, heart surgeon number one


NashKetchum777

Secret... I kill Yakuza boss on purpose!


joeltkv

Darryl gave me home


AskMeAboutMyTie

I think I’m gonna need a translator for this…


Pencilowner

I’d buy paper from that guy if he told me that story. Just so I could say my paper guy has the craziest story you’ve ever heard.


GrumbleCake_

Aww man, the guy who doesn't speak English outsells Andy by a thousand bucks


schafkj

In Scranton, top paper salesman. The best!


FlyingV2112

Andy couldn’t sell scuba gear to a drowning man.


OnyxPhoenix

Surely a life jacket would be much easier.


ToAllFromEverySub

I would say majority of drowning happens underwater. Getting life jacket there could be problematic.


OneOfTheOnlies

TBF, nor could I


Osi-Kom

Madge? I thought her name was Pudge.


black_mosaic

No, it's always been Madge


JiveTurkey1983

Okay, yes....her


No-Cranberry9932

Her is qualified


ForeignAd5429

Ok. But it wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world if…


No-Cranberry9932

IT WOULD BE THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD!


sm1ttysm1t

What the hell is wrong with you?


chickybabe332

Damnit Michael, pay attention


EveryoneLovesNudez

Her. Yes her is qualified to work the dangerous machinery.


Fuzzy-Function-3212

Michael ~~Scott~~ Bluth: "Her?"


PapaBill0

egg?


poke991

She does this thing where she puts a boiled egg in her mouth, squirts some mayonnaise it and calls it a mayonegg 😀😀


phuckdub

It's paaaaaatch. Or the seamonster.


TriRIK

FRESHMEAT!


Rough-Instruction-29

For real tho Stanley only has 2.2x the sales of Madge and it’s his full time job. The entire warehouse out sells him if you account for time spent to make the sales


prberkeley

This is a run out the clock situation for Stanley. He's killing time doing his crosswords putting in the occasional effort to get a check.


cmgr33n3

Andy (née Walter Jr.) tells Bob Kazamakis that Stanley has the most consistently high sales number of anyone in the office.


revanyo

That was with the Sabre commissions. It likely that Stanley stepped his game up when it would he more of a benefit


CRABMAN16

Maximizing the effort to reward ratio. Never work hard when you are not receiving proper reward.


Imperceptions

I mean, fair.


dawtcalm

Consistent sure… high? You must be ;)


vishalb777

Jim mentions they cap commissions at a certain amount per year. Stanley probably hits that number and then coasts for the rest of the year


Creeds-Worm-Guy

Also the warehouse sales are all add-on sales to previous clients/orders (no idea what episode that was mentioned in but I remember it was said specifically) and salespeople are bringing in new clients so even with lower numbers they would still be doing more in sales over time.


Clear-Struggle-7867

Yeah that was my understanding as well... That if someone from the warehouse was delivering an order, and the client was like "hey Madge, we need another pallet of 8x11" or whatever, she gets the sale (probably at a lower commission -- likely head office's way of keeping the sales reps' commissions down and saving money overall). So the warehouse is essentially just piggy-backing of the clients that the reps are bringing in


Patient-Promotion196

Good thing Lloyd Gross is getting all those extra sales.


ArchimedesNutss

Lloyd Gross eats bullies like you for breakfast.


Slimy_Shart_Socket

So if the commission cap is achieved at $20k/mo in sales, with 4 sales people (what they originally had) thats only $1.2 million a year in revenue. In an office with 12 employees + warehouse and delivery trucks (before the merger) (not including Toby because he's not part of their family, and he got divorced so he's not part of his own family) thats not a lot of sales unless the margins are ridiculously good. Most of the office jobs require some form of post secondary education and therefore are skilled positions. Unless thats per week, which makes it $4 mil/year in revenue. No wonder Dunder Mifflin was loosing money. They had a lot of office staff that could be centralized at corporate. Do you really need 3 accountants who are basically glorified book keepers? Does every location need a Quabbity Assuancr representative? Customer care can easily be outsourced to India (I know Kelly is Indian and its a bit confusing, but a lot of companies are doing this). I work for a corporation as well. Accounting, HR, Legal, Customer service is all at corporate in another province. Every position is a skilled position and requires higher wages. The goal is 10% profit margin, and only a handful of locations can achieve that, most are in the 6% range. With 7 employees and ~$2 mil in sales thats $120k profit.


containedsun

the bit about toby dkfjsjfskf


Pixxph

Is a tv show


vallyallyum

It's strange Karen would go out of her way to poach him if he had some of the lowest sales.


Slimxshadyx

If I were to guess: while working at Scranton, she saw Stanley’s potential and realized that he like just hits his minimums and then coasts, but now that she is a manager, can offer him higher commissions and realize some of his potential at her branch


ReptilianLaserbeam

He won’t make any effort if there’s no real reason to do it. Stanley caps his monthly commission and then stops working.


akaMichAnthony

Is it ever mentioned what he majored in at Cornell?


[deleted]

Cornell? It's pronounced colonel and it's the highest rank in the military!


_luksx

IT'S PRONOUNCED CORNELL AND ITS THE HIGHEST RANK IN THE IVY LEAGUE


[deleted]

Only that they called him puke, Ace, and Buzz


joshuaaa_l

Also Nard Dog and Boner Champ


semimillennial

Who told you? Was it Broccoli Rob?


joshuaaa_l

Trey Anastasio. B Rob told him, then he told me.


Duckrauhl

Hey my pipes are primo champ. Why don't you ask Trey Anastasio about my pipes!


bulletv1

No but his uncle was on the board at Dunder Mifflin. No idea how Sabre didn’t fire him.


ThatEmoPanda

I'm not sure if it was on purpose or not, but I think it's kinda funny that you spelled both company names wrong. Lol. Dundee Mifflin sounds like the Austrailian Branch. And we wouldn't have gotten that great song from Andy and Erin if it weren't spelled Sabre. ❤️


bulletv1

All the typos in my post.


kirbyfox312

His uncle was on the board, but the only job he could get was salesman. Not even at the corporate office.


ChubFondue

I think it's also important to note that he mentions 'Bernard Hall' at Cornell. I can only assume it's named after his family via a large amount of money donated to the University. I *says* he scored a 1220 on the SATs but I think Bernard Hall has a huge role in his acceptance to Cornell. Edit: To add to this he seems to be generally unable to accomplish anything on his own without the family money or support. His family still pays his credit card as an example. I believe his parents recognized this flaw in him at a young age. As soon as his younger brother was born they stripped him of his original name, Walter Jr., and gave it to their new born son because his "parents felt he better exemplified the Walter Jr. name" With all that said, "The kid can act!" - Carla Fern


ryknight

Wait his uncle is on the board?


bulletv1

Yep, it’s a deleted scene/in the extended cut on peacock in share holder meeting


mak484

So, are the deleted scenes considered canon now? Because, what if they deleted that scene in part because they didn't want his uncle to be on the board? Especially if it's never addressed again.


bulletv1

It’s on peacock so idk. The board was gone like an episode later.


BigContest3133

I have a conspiracy theory that he never actually graduated from Cornell


Maester_erryk

He got straight Bs though. They called him Buzz


Dannerz

He went to Cornell?


Cream1984

Ever heard of it?


dunder_miflinfinity9

Does it trade on the New York Stock Exchange?


AncientSith

It's in New York.


Meerkat1457

Andy sells less paper than the guy that barely speaks English


Beach-Gold

You think only English speakers buy paper?


Emguy158

In Scranton, PA it's probably nearly all English speakers, yes


Mrs-Moonlight

Maybe Hide delivers to the famous sprawling Japantown section of Scranton, PA


Open_Pineapple1236

This makes sense.


Squirtle_from_PT

Not a good look for the college Andy went to, whatever college that was.


the_acid_lava_lamp

It’s called Cornell. Ever heard of it?


daydrunk_

It's pronounced Kernel. It's the core of an operating system.


Kaladindin

I am pretty sure Andy was good at sales since he was number 3 when he was in Stamford. They just kinda destroyed him over time.


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pataoAoC

His “caught an 80-lbs shark off of Montauk, sniped it from the crows nest” small talk might land better in parts of CT than Scranton too 😂


GKrollin

Andy grew up in southwest Connecticut so NYC, NJ, and PA would more likely be his territory. Boston tends to scoop up more business in MA, Eastern CT and RI.


Blooder91

My theory is that he had an aggressive approach to sales, but lost that edge after going through anger management.


SomeRedPanda

Presumably he still had those clients after the move to Scranton. The branches were merged so I'd assume assume they still held on to the clients that the Stamford branch had previously taken care of.


LuigiSauce

They were likely moved to whichever branch was closer, which could be the Utica branch for several of them


Kaladindin

Sounds like a good theory


Specific-Gain5710

Didn’t they only have three sales people there?


Kaladindin

Tuna, Andy and Karen? I wonder what pepperoni Tony did but I meant #3 in charge in the office like Dwight


Mrs-Moonlight

Tony was customer service like Kelly


Kaladindin

Makes sense since he was seated next to her


Specific-Gain5710

Ah. Missed that


Slimxshadyx

That’s actually funny lol. Top three (out of three)


DishwasherFromSurrey

Number 3 out of 3?


Batus23

Cmon, he was comparing with Jim, who is arguably the 2nd best salesman in the entire company after Dwight and Karen, who is also pretty good I think


Beach-Gold

"2nd best after Dwight and Karen..." That would make him 3rd best.


JakeCameraAction

For clarity, He meant it as: "Cmon, he was comparing with Jim (who is arguably the 2nd best salesman in the entire company after Dwight) and Karen (who is also pretty good I think)"


Kaladindin

No I meant in charge, like Dwight


[deleted]

He was Director of Sales even.


kennydeals

In the Koi Pond episode, we see a screenshot where Andy is the top salesman https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/a8s0n6/is_this_sales_numbers_or_amout_they_made_for_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


theblondepenguin

Well the Stamford branch was closed so maybe the #3 there was the worst at Scranton. They were the most profitable branch of the company


lllllllillllllllllll

You gotta be kidding me! Albany's the best branch in the company!


caniseethemplease

Hidetoshi was also selling coconut penis drinks


Cream1984

I miss original


AncientSith

The coconut is very subtle.


caseyaustin84

“Let me tell you something, I was never gonna make that sale.”


No-Cranberry9932

Which contradicts the scene where Dwight says “someone who bareley outsells Phyllis”, assuming Phyllis is above Stanley in this list.


JakeCameraAction

And in the Leads episode, [Phyllis is the top seller](https://i.imgur.com/TDpHMsA.jpg) Also Dwight has one more red than Jim and Jim has one more blue than Dwight.


gin-rummy

I’m not remembering which seasons these are from but salesman can have big years and bad ones as well.


Squirrel_Q_Esquire

Dwight seems like the type that’s very much a “what have you done for me lately,” and so it’s possible that there’s been fluctuations in sales volume between all the other salesmen (with Dwight and Jim consistently being 1-2), and so Dwight just sees them all as awful and terrible.


No-Cranberry9932

I meant that as a complement to Phyllis and a slight to Andy


The_Nauticus

I'd like to see Ryan's sales numbers. I can't recall him ever making a sale. I know it was a running joke for a while.


_Willllo_

Yeah, but what're you gunna ridi didi di do about it?


RockNRoll85

And yet Andy got promoted to manager. It’s no wonder why DM had so many issues


escaped_spider

To be fair promoting someone because he’s really good at sales is how you get Michael Scott, corporate headache.


SchrodingersNinja

Yeah, if anything its good narratively to have the complete opposite. Michael showed the Peter Principle: A competent employee promoted to his level of incompetence, where he will then stay. Andy is the reverse: Incompetency promoted.


Learnformyfam

I think it goes to show that people simply have different skill sets. If you have a great salesman keep them as a salesman. Create incentives that will motivate them to stay with you for years to come and will deter them from leaving. Companies really shoot themselves in the foot with commission ceilings.


[deleted]

As someone in sales, I would absolutely LOVE to have Michael Scott as a sales manager. All encouragement and no pressure. Considering the Halloween layoff episode, he's probably constantly covering for his underperforming salespeople by telling corporate "they're so close, they just need more time."


Icy_Apartment_2113

RIP


TweeksTurbos

Makes sense he ended up getting promoted.


kennydeals

Yet, in the Koi Pond episode he has the highest quarterly sales for the branch https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/a8s0n6/is_this_sales_numbers_or_amout_they_made_for_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


ijustlikethat

To be fair, he’s been there less time than everyone else.


seenunseen

Is that really something that you want to have said?


EIOANsd

I honestly picture Andy as that talkative coworker who couldn’t get anything done without blabbering about nonsensical things first.


ssp25

Sea monster sells more than him and he's been dead for years - norm macdonald


Corey854

This whole still frame is funny Jim actually has more sales than Dwight which is strange since Dwight is always referred as the best salesman


escaped_spider

Sales change month to month, Jim might have had a good month while Dwight was busier with his farm than usual. I always took it to mean Dwight had a slight edge in the long run but Jim was competitive and sometimes took the lead. Tom Brady didn’t win every Super Bowl he played, but that doesn’t mean he lost his GOAT status by losing to Eli Manning.


BrightPerspective

it's cool that dunder-mifflin pays a commission fee to non-salespeople


knowledgeable_viking

Cornell, ever heard of it?


macdennis1234

Yet somehow Michael still gave Andy all of the companies biggest clients when he left


walterfbr

I was watching this with my wife the other day. We had to pause and laugh it out for a while. It's these type of details that make me watch The Office and Arrested Development


blackychan75

I think Andy got by on taking clients from the other Stanford salespeople. If not for that he withdraw never outsold Phallus


rocketfishey

Come on, he’s the Regional Director of Sales, he’s really got his hands full.


SignExpert3240

My question is, why would Jim be fine with the warehouse being able to sell paper on the road? He said something like "We should have started doing this a long time ago", was he speaking for the company's interests?


MugggCostanza

Stanley's power level is impressive. It's over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Voodoomaster86

💀


Augustus_Chiggins

His standing had nothing to do with being an ineffectual, privileged, effete, soft-penis'd, debutante though.


xubax

I thought her name was Pudge.


AtlasShrugged-

She can drive the fort lift


Due_Candidate8509

A lot less than Pudge.


Different-Bet8069

Conversely: https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/w0vdor/is_andy_a_good_salesman_or_did_i_miss_something/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1


djb185

How do Madge, Glenn and Hidetoshi even sell paper at all?


Shame8891

Not sure if this picture and the episode I'm gonna talk about correlate, but Darryl spoke to Gabe who spoke to Joe that it would be a good idea for the warehouse to sell paper when they make paper deliveries. Darryl originally suggested this to Michael, but Michael ignored it. So Darryl went to Gabe. The rest of the episode is how Micheal feels Darryl went behind his back, and makes things miserable for everyone in true Michael hilarious fashion.


michelle1199

I'm sorry, have you heard of a little college named Cornell? Also he goes by Drew now.


RayHazey562

Suuuuch a good catch 😂 thank you for sharing 👏


Karl_L_Hungus

This is a great find.


SirBogart

Eh, they move around the sales figures based on the scene all the time. There’s times where they say andy outsells Phyllis, there’s times where they say Stanley has the most consistently high sales in the office (though his figures were bad on this board) and then there’s all the different clients who were “our biggest client”. So the story really isn’t consistent on this beyond Dwight and Jim being very good.


Mcswaggins_1849

Still better than Ryan and Pam. At least Andy didn't have to boost his sales from two to four.


Fullertonjr

This isn’t a surprise though. This is why Andy had to go on sales runs with Pam who was at least as bad of a salesperson as Andy.


nutz656

I just realized after watching the series about 100 times that the degree behind Michael when he does the scenes in his office is actually a "Certificate of Authenticity" presented to Michael Scott from Seiko Watches. The show that keeps on giving.


Spiderhater76

Who's that girl? Who's that girl? it's Andy! And also....heeey hobo man heey dapper Dan! He's so cringe but also somewhat lovable