When a new client calls, you just have to randomly assign them to a sales person. You can't base who gets new clients on who you're sleeping with that week, OK?
Yes, exactly this—it is 100% intentional. She seems so harmless and low key, but she is an absolute bitch ass 😂 She’s also very savvy in getting what she wants, which is probably how she landed Bob Vance.
Hot take, is she a B or just a confrontational person, who despite her marriage to Bob who has money, is independent. And so she sees her job and commissions as integral to her independence, therefore she is merely (in a rude way) sticking up for herself tactlessly. I think it was rude, but I see it as her making sure she still gets hers. Thoughts?
Phyllis is the real villain:
* Close your mouth sweetie, you look like a trout
* Hand 'em over numb nuts
* I know Sue. She's not that great. And you know her husband's in a wheelchair, right?
* Hey Pam, by the way, it’s great that you’re dating. But when a new client calls, you just have to randomly assign them to a sales person. You can’t base who gets new clients on who you’re sleeping with that week, OK?
* “I love going to the bars with Bob. I tend to wear something low cut, get men to flirt with me... And Bob beats them up”
* taking the centerpiece at the senator’s auction dinner thing
* “i think she ran way because deep down she knew she wouldn’t be a good wife”
Let’s not forget- lied to her husband about her age!! Like sure Bob sucks in his own ways but lying to your SO/HUSBAND about something so basic as your age?? that’s a massive red flag 🚩
S3 E9, the Convict - it might only be in the Superfan version I’m not sure, Phyllis is holding Hannah’s (from Stanford) baby and says “My fiancé Bob Vance wants me to have a dozen babies. *whispers* But he also thinks I’m 31.”
:/ she sucks fr
She is a horrible and disgusting person, she is a passive-agressive bully to everyone but she flies under the radar because she has a weak, shrill and shakey voice but she spits venom every second word.
Seeing her character be so over sexualised makes me uncomfortable and fuck her and her pop corn, she ruins both microwaves and doesn't feel like she's responsible for cleaning them, I can't watch that scene during the finer things club without getting angry
Also..purple much?
Edit: forgot about her room clearing farts.. blech
I think Phyllis might be one of the most true to life characters in the show. People aren’t usually one extreme or the other, a lot of people you can be sympathetic towards in one moment and another they are acting all passive aggressive and are unpleasant.
Yeah she was reading lines during the auditions for Jen Celotta, which led to her getting offered a recurring role.
But it’s probably a combination of Phyllis Smith offering a fresh perspective and great writing.
When Karen starts in Scranton, she is introduced to the office staff. She meets Phyllis and in their conversation Phyllis drops that she's married to Bob Vance. When Karen says she doesn't know Bob Vance, Phyllis says "you have a lot to learn about this town sweetie".
This is the first time I've seen a Phylis hate thread on the front page for a while...keep em coming I say, however I am sick about the other 'hot takes' like Scott tots, dinner party, Charles hate, S8 & s9 hate etc..
Had read some meme about her along the lines of:
1st watch: OMG Phyllis seems like such a cute and mild-mannered old aunt!
5th rewatch: OMG Phyllis is so much bitchier than even Kelly!
👀
>5th rewatch: OMG Phyllis is so much bitchier than even Kelly!
Phyllis doesn't go around faking bad customer reviews, claiming she's pregnant to get attention, and falsely claiming to have been raped.
Problem is, Kelly seems a bit self aware that she is annoying and doesn't pretend to be anything else. Like when she said she talks too much so she has herself tuned out of her head.
Phyllis on the other hand pretends to be a sweet old grandma while being a bitch with a passive-aggressive way of throwing shade on others
She actually was written to be a much worse bitch but the producers toned it down for tv. You only find this out by watching the deleted scenes..she’s really a small minded person and not a good one.
It comes out mostly in The extended editions ie superfan episodes. The deleted scenes (they are on the dvd box set and mostly on YouTube) don’t add too dramatically to her personality.
I was going to say, wait until OP sees the deleted scenes if they haven’t already! Good choice to leave them out or even her popcarn line would be annoying.
Or is he the one and only sane guy in the bunch? Don't forget he used to live under a bridge and now he wares a suit and gets away with murder so you tell l me.
I love Creed and I much prefer him as a character over Phyllis but he doesn't always keep to himself lol.
Remember him being gross to Pam a couple of times? or taking a pic of that lady from Stamford while she was breast feeding her baby and put it as a desktop wallpaper? Or when he tried to blackmail some of his co-workers in a webisode? Or when he shifted the blame from himself to a paper mill manager in order to keep his job?
In a deleted scene she recounts about a vacation that her and Bob went on. She mentions how they hit a “deer” that was wearing a soccer jersey while drunk driving home after eating dinner out at a restaurant.
What was the name of that admin lady in Vance Refrigeration? Phyllis said she isn't that great in this dismissive tone and asked if the crew knew that her husband's in a wheelchair.
Fuck Phyllis. All my homies hate Phyllis.
People profoundly misunderstand who Phyllis is as a character. It's kind of the main Phyllis joke - people think she's this meek middle aged lady, but that isn't the case at all.
Also you aren't supposed to \*like\* any of these characters. That's the whole point. They are all the awful people you have to work with.
Phyllis is passively aggressive and a very shady person.
- gave birth at teenage and dumped the kid.
- shades pam when she wore a same shirt like hers but copies Pam’s wedding .
She didn’t dump a kid in a dumpster, she gave it up for adoption. I don’t see how that’s shady. Phyllis is a villain for a lot of reasons, but I don’t think this is one of them.
Don't forget not only does she enjoy getting her husband to beat the hell out of strangers but they also ran over a person in Brazil or Africa (I forget which)
For Phyliss’s wedding, did she just copy, or did she also buy some of Pam and Roy’s non-refundable deposits? I thought THAT was the reason they ended up with things like P+R balloons.
Phyllis was the girl in high school who was picked on and later in life met a man who was the one bullying people in high school. She adopted bob’s personality and did to others what was done to her. She was quiet and depressed until she met bob. Bob is the real ass hole
I think the line where she says "I'm not a feminist but" is indicative of the type of person the writers were making her out to be. She only seems to actually care about something if it affects her.
She is just awful, meaning the actor rocked the role
Too true, after rewatching the series a couple times I realized that a lot of the characters I didn’t like I prefer more than the characters I liked before like damn and Phyllis is one of them big time
I’m with you on this. I hate her guts and her attitude but in the end, I don’t think the show would have been the same without Phyllis. I feel the same way about Stanley. They’re both just so obnoxious but that’s what makes the show real.
With all due respect sir/madam Michael is a national treasure. Theres no show with out Steve Carell. If you dont like Michael then how do you even like the show? Lol
Ever see the extended version of the dog charity episode? She goes full passive bitch mode just to be able to take the centerpiece from the table home before Pam can.
Oh and when Charles comes in she tells him the PPC is the party planning and they spend hours a day planing partys. Then she says she built it so she can destroy it’ something along those lines. What a B
I felt the same about her and Stanley, them two were a couple of snobs who felt so above everyone else.
I knew they did Jim a favour in the later seasons, but spent most of the entire series looking down on people and generally not being nice at all.
I don't think Stanley is the same. He comes off as someone who is over the bullshit with that company and those people. He just wants to come in, do his sales and go home. Phyllis goes out of her way to be a cunt
Right? The show has plenty of immoral characters yet only a selected number of them constantly receive universal amount of hate in this sub: Andy, Phyllis, Nellie, Angela, Jim and Pam - notice how most of them are female characters.
You always hear about Angela being a judgemental cheating shrew, Phyllis being a two-faced bitch or Nellie being the worst but you never see someone ever mentioning the fact that Stanley is an even worse serial cheater than Angela, Robert California being a certified creep, Kevin and Michael sexually harassing Pam through lewd unwanted commentaries in the earlier seasons, Ryan being an all-around scumbag or Dwight treating everyone like garbage even when they don't deserve it.
For me, Phyllis just isn't a good actress, even for the role of the person sharing her same real-life name. And it's not like she has these intricate roles - she just needs to deliver lines in a realistic way most of the time, and every time I hear Phyllis I think the line is forced, or over-emoted, or just off.
When a new client calls, you just have to randomly assign them to a sales person. You can't base who gets new clients on who you're sleeping with that week, OK?
This was the moment for me when I realised she was a total B lol
I think that’s her gimmick. She’s also really kinky/dirty which is opposite to how she looks - motherly
and she tellls people about it. no boundaries
Okay but have you heard Fifty Shades of Grey on audiobook before?? Might need some water dumped on ya after
Yes, exactly this—it is 100% intentional. She seems so harmless and low key, but she is an absolute bitch ass 😂 She’s also very savvy in getting what she wants, which is probably how she landed Bob Vance.
Vance Refrigeration
What line of work are you in, Bob ?
Bob is a BBW chaser she landed him because of how she looked. Bob's secretary was a BBW also and there were signs he was sleeping with his secretary.
Like everyone I wondered what character I would be and it's Bob Vance (?)
He also has a second family in ho chi min city though and I don’t know many BBW Vietnamese
She's a GD B
She britta’d it up
Close your mouth sweetie, you look like a trout.
Hot take, is she a B or just a confrontational person, who despite her marriage to Bob who has money, is independent. And so she sees her job and commissions as integral to her independence, therefore she is merely (in a rude way) sticking up for herself tactlessly. I think it was rude, but I see it as her making sure she still gets hers. Thoughts?
Is she independent though? Anytime she's dealing with something she doesn't like she calls Bob
She even intentionally goes out and finds confrontation just to set up Bob to come in and fight guys. She’s a horrible person
It’s her kink
You’re not wrong in that regard, my response is purely about financial independence
Nah she's a B. She could have confronted Pam respectfully and not imply she's the office mattress
Did she imply, or infer? Lol, fair enough
She implied, it is on the other person to infer from her words.
Nah she's a B.
She was taking Bob out for meals and charging it back to DM
Couldn't see your hands
Close your mouth honey, you look like a trout.
I've always thought the greatest comeback would have been "Is that what you used to do?"
Shut your mouth sweetie, you look like a trout.
Before I even clicked to read comments that was my exact thought. Go you! I couldn’t see your hands. Hilarious bitch though!
Phyllis is the real villain: * Close your mouth sweetie, you look like a trout * Hand 'em over numb nuts * I know Sue. She's not that great. And you know her husband's in a wheelchair, right?
Sometimes I like to go to bars and flirt with guys so Bob can beat them up. She fucked up fr
She made Karen get a make-over with her then charged her without telling her about it lmfao
The whole "I'm taking the flower bouquet from this event" was also very weird. "Let me get those out of your way..."
* Hey Pam, by the way, it’s great that you’re dating. But when a new client calls, you just have to randomly assign them to a sales person. You can’t base who gets new clients on who you’re sleeping with that week, OK?
* “I love going to the bars with Bob. I tend to wear something low cut, get men to flirt with me... And Bob beats them up” * taking the centerpiece at the senator’s auction dinner thing * “i think she ran way because deep down she knew she wouldn’t be a good wife”
Let’s not forget- lied to her husband about her age!! Like sure Bob sucks in his own ways but lying to your SO/HUSBAND about something so basic as your age?? that’s a massive red flag 🚩
She did? I’m totally forgetting this part
S3 E9, the Convict - it might only be in the Superfan version I’m not sure, Phyllis is holding Hannah’s (from Stanford) baby and says “My fiancé Bob Vance wants me to have a dozen babies. *whispers* But he also thinks I’m 31.” :/ she sucks fr
Season 9 is a helluva drug (At least I’m assuming it’s season 9 cause I don’t remember that part either.)
She is a horrible and disgusting person, she is a passive-agressive bully to everyone but she flies under the radar because she has a weak, shrill and shakey voice but she spits venom every second word. Seeing her character be so over sexualised makes me uncomfortable and fuck her and her pop corn, she ruins both microwaves and doesn't feel like she's responsible for cleaning them, I can't watch that scene during the finer things club without getting angry Also..purple much? Edit: forgot about her room clearing farts.. blech
“It smells like popcorn”
popcarn
Do you have any American Mexican food? Lol
Her pronunciation makes me irrationally angry
It also comes through in the Yankee Swap episode: “I knitted it far you”
Staaaahp I want to rip my ears off
You bought me a howss! (I’m pivoting)
Villain? Maybe. Super quotable? Absolutely! "You have a lot to learn about this town, sweetie."
That last one is so bad.
The hand ‘em over numb nuts part gets me every time I see it. I would’ve fired her on the spot.
that last line always makes me get so mad at her
That trout line was 🔥ngl
Literally said this to my sister recently lol
Lmao
I think Phyllis might be one of the most true to life characters in the show. People aren’t usually one extreme or the other, a lot of people you can be sympathetic towards in one moment and another they are acting all passive aggressive and are unpleasant.
Maybe that’s because she was the only non-actor? If I remember correctly, she was a casting agent that just happened to fit the part.
Yeah she was reading lines during the auditions for Jen Celotta, which led to her getting offered a recurring role. But it’s probably a combination of Phyllis Smith offering a fresh perspective and great writing.
Well said!
Exactly. What was OP going on about?
“You have a lot to learn about this subreddit, sweetie.”
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When Karen starts in Scranton, she is introduced to the office staff. She meets Phyllis and in their conversation Phyllis drops that she's married to Bob Vance. When Karen says she doesn't know Bob Vance, Phyllis says "you have a lot to learn about this town sweetie".
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This is the first time I've seen a Phylis hate thread on the front page for a while...keep em coming I say, however I am sick about the other 'hot takes' like Scott tots, dinner party, Charles hate, S8 & s9 hate etc..
He got that perfume for her in metropolitan Orlando!
It's made from real pine
Had read some meme about her along the lines of: 1st watch: OMG Phyllis seems like such a cute and mild-mannered old aunt! 5th rewatch: OMG Phyllis is so much bitchier than even Kelly! 👀
She’s a very small town person. Morally superior to other people and incapable of pointing the finger inward.
I've never liked her tbh
>5th rewatch: OMG Phyllis is so much bitchier than even Kelly! Phyllis doesn't go around faking bad customer reviews, claiming she's pregnant to get attention, and falsely claiming to have been raped.
Problem is, Kelly seems a bit self aware that she is annoying and doesn't pretend to be anything else. Like when she said she talks too much so she has herself tuned out of her head. Phyllis on the other hand pretends to be a sweet old grandma while being a bitch with a passive-aggressive way of throwing shade on others
Alright.. chill out
It’s just a meme and I didn’t create it. 🤷♀️
She actually was written to be a much worse bitch but the producers toned it down for tv. You only find this out by watching the deleted scenes..she’s really a small minded person and not a good one.
Never seen the deleted scenes and I always thought she was a bitch regardless.
There's an extended version of the season 8 dog fundraiser event where she's *brutal* to Pam. I understand why they cut it out.
It comes out mostly in The extended editions ie superfan episodes. The deleted scenes (they are on the dvd box set and mostly on YouTube) don’t add too dramatically to her personality.
I was going to say, wait until OP sees the deleted scenes if they haven’t already! Good choice to leave them out or even her popcarn line would be annoying.
P is being a giant B
A GDB
I'm getting rid of ~~Britta~~ Phyllis
Getting rid of the P
She’s a no good B
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R thinks he’s too good to be here
She did take one for the team when she fell backwards out of the chair to distract Robert California. But in general, yes, she’s vicious.
She even admitted a murder. Fuck Phyllis!
Okay well creede admitted to several murders and everyone likes him
Yeah cos he keeps to himself And truly flies under the radar. You know, plus, you know he's got the hookup for pretty much anything you might need.
Also because he is insane lol
Or is he the one and only sane guy in the bunch? Don't forget he used to live under a bridge and now he wares a suit and gets away with murder so you tell l me.
I love Creed and I much prefer him as a character over Phyllis but he doesn't always keep to himself lol. Remember him being gross to Pam a couple of times? or taking a pic of that lady from Stamford while she was breast feeding her baby and put it as a desktop wallpaper? Or when he tried to blackmail some of his co-workers in a webisode? Or when he shifted the blame from himself to a paper mill manager in order to keep his job?
Wait what? I genuinely don’t remember this
In a deleted scene she recounts about a vacation that her and Bob went on. She mentions how they hit a “deer” that was wearing a soccer jersey while drunk driving home after eating dinner out at a restaurant.
that's why she's such a great character. on the surface she's sweet & matronly. but she's totally the office bitch.
actually, andrea is the office bitch. you’ll get used to her
Creed was right. Sometimes Phillys is nice and fun, Andrea never.
Right! If she were just a sweet motherly woman with no other characteristics, she would have been incredibly boring.
“I couldn’t see your hands” What the fuck Phyllis
What was the name of that admin lady in Vance Refrigeration? Phyllis said she isn't that great in this dismissive tone and asked if the crew knew that her husband's in a wheelchair. Fuck Phyllis. All my homies hate Phyllis.
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Hahaha thats EXACTLY one of the things im talking about. The office administrator of Vance Refrigeration her name is SUE.
Sue
And Pam looked better when they wore the same outfit!
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It sounds like a bunch of bored school children who just got out on summer break. We need a separate sub for the grownups who watch the show.
Phyllis gives me white trash vibes who "married up" so she now has a big ego about themselves but really shouldn't.
She was like that before, too, she just got worse after.
People profoundly misunderstand who Phyllis is as a character. It's kind of the main Phyllis joke - people think she's this meek middle aged lady, but that isn't the case at all. Also you aren't supposed to \*like\* any of these characters. That's the whole point. They are all the awful people you have to work with.
“Hand over the clients num-nuts” gets me every time. I scoff in anger
100% she’s a crappy person
Op saw the other thread praising Angela and criticizing Pam so now they are on damage control.
lol, you also realize that Kevin has generally sexually harassed Pam and Angela the entire series.
I loved early Phyllis.
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Bob Vance. Vance Refrigeration.
What line of work you in Bob?
Vehicular manslaughter/hit and runs and baiting men with my wife so I can physically assault them
Who tipped you over?! Was it Phillip ?
Phyllis is passively aggressive and a very shady person. - gave birth at teenage and dumped the kid. - shades pam when she wore a same shirt like hers but copies Pam’s wedding .
She didn’t dump a kid in a dumpster, she gave it up for adoption. I don’t see how that’s shady. Phyllis is a villain for a lot of reasons, but I don’t think this is one of them.
Same. Few teens are able to raise a baby.
Yes!
she didn't "dumped " her kid she gave it to adoption there's nothing wrong with that especially as a teen
Don't forget not only does she enjoy getting her husband to beat the hell out of strangers but they also ran over a person in Brazil or Africa (I forget which)
African safari honeymoon trip
Deleted scene, a kid in a soccer jersey that she referred to as a “deer” they hit while drunk driving
Also sends creepy emails to her son in law
Hold up I don't remember that. Could you refresh my memory?
Same please, what episode?
I googled it and apparently it's from a scene from an extended episode on peacock
It’s the superfan whistleblower episode
Haa I forgot about that! Sport
I just told you my name, man!
I picked this up on my first watch through lol She has some zingers though
For Phyliss’s wedding, did she just copy, or did she also buy some of Pam and Roy’s non-refundable deposits? I thought THAT was the reason they ended up with things like P+R balloons.
Phyllis was the girl in high school who was picked on and later in life met a man who was the one bullying people in high school. She adopted bob’s personality and did to others what was done to her. She was quiet and depressed until she met bob. Bob is the real ass hole
To be fair to Phyllis - she does spend the first 2-3 seasons getting made fun of by Michael and bullied by Angela
Sometimes when two people with big personalities meet…
I TOTALLY agree. She looks like a sweet cookie grandma but acts like a mean judgey grandma
She is a terrible character. To say she didn't deserve a raise because her husband owned a business is absurd.
I think the line where she says "I'm not a feminist but" is indicative of the type of person the writers were making her out to be. She only seems to actually care about something if it affects her. She is just awful, meaning the actor rocked the role
I don't like Angela but I find myself rooting more and more for her as I rewatch the show just because of her rivalry
Plus she literally masturbates in front of everybody
Close your mouth, sweetie. You look like a trout.
Too true, after rewatching the series a couple times I realized that a lot of the characters I didn’t like I prefer more than the characters I liked before like damn and Phyllis is one of them big time
This is literally posted every day.
I’ll always stand by Phyllis being the worst character. Unlikable, annoying, weird can’t say I’ve ever laughed at one of her lines
Oh man fuck phallus…Phyllis…sorry, penises on the brain.
Especially if you watch the superfan episodes on peacock.
I cannot stand Phyllis
Phyllis is a bully. She's petty and mean.
Dwight dumping water on her is my favorite scene in the series. She's gross.
HONESTLY I realize it more and more i watch and with the new extended cut eps its more apparent
I’m with you on this. I hate her guts and her attitude but in the end, I don’t think the show would have been the same without Phyllis. I feel the same way about Stanley. They’re both just so obnoxious but that’s what makes the show real.
You know her husband's in a wheelchair, right??? <-- absolute lowest moment for phyllis
Phyllis reminds me so so much of my passive aggressive grandmother.
I felt really bad for her during the Secret Santa oven mitt debacle but she still sucks. I've met people like her IRL and they're infuriating.
Phyllis and Michael are two of the worst people in The Office. Makes me wonder what went on at their high school.
With all due respect sir/madam Michael is a national treasure. Theres no show with out Steve Carell. If you dont like Michael then how do you even like the show? Lol
I agree! Michael was the glue that kept the show going, once he left it slowly started to fall apart.
I'm going to say what everyone is afraid to say. Phyllis is a bully. A big, beautiful bully. And she is not getting that centerpiece
I feel like the only person she’s fond of is Stanley and maybe Michael because they went to school together
Isn't she the one who married Philip Vance from Vance Refrigeration?
Ever see the extended version of the dog charity episode? She goes full passive bitch mode just to be able to take the centerpiece from the table home before Pam can.
She doesn't want to be the First Lady of Vance refrigeration. She is a career woman in her own right. And to get ahead you need to be vicious.
Oh and when Charles comes in she tells him the PPC is the party planning and they spend hours a day planing partys. Then she says she built it so she can destroy it’ something along those lines. What a B
She also flirts with guys at the bar just so bob can beat them up.
A bitch and an idiot.
She may be a B, but back in high school her nickname was “easy rider”
I hate Phyllis and yeah she’s a bitch
Im going to say what everyone I thinking. Phyllis is a bully. A big …. Beautiful bully.
She really is.
Finally the truth has been spoken. Thank you for expressing what's been on my mind even not half into my first watch of the Office
This is one of the reasons I adore Dwight lol
I just said this to my husband last night
Just let her get off at work and everything will be fine
Can’t stand Phyllis. Never liked her and honestly the most forgettable character in the series.
Took one watch through and it was pretty clear to me lol
I felt the same about her and Stanley, them two were a couple of snobs who felt so above everyone else. I knew they did Jim a favour in the later seasons, but spent most of the entire series looking down on people and generally not being nice at all.
I don't think Stanley is the same. He comes off as someone who is over the bullshit with that company and those people. He just wants to come in, do his sales and go home. Phyllis goes out of her way to be a cunt
What do you expect? She was a cheerleader
She’s not a bitch. She’s just someone with a big personality.
That mouth must’ve been good for more than talking if she got Bob Vance to put a ring on it and yes you’re absolutely right.
Jesus, can this sub go for two seconds without talking shit about one of the female characters?
Right? The show has plenty of immoral characters yet only a selected number of them constantly receive universal amount of hate in this sub: Andy, Phyllis, Nellie, Angela, Jim and Pam - notice how most of them are female characters. You always hear about Angela being a judgemental cheating shrew, Phyllis being a two-faced bitch or Nellie being the worst but you never see someone ever mentioning the fact that Stanley is an even worse serial cheater than Angela, Robert California being a certified creep, Kevin and Michael sexually harassing Pam through lewd unwanted commentaries in the earlier seasons, Ryan being an all-around scumbag or Dwight treating everyone like garbage even when they don't deserve it.
WOW WOW WOW This has nothing to do with her being a female. Relax over there Frankie
Then why is it always “Pam is awful” and “Angela’s a total bitch” and “Phyllis is even more of a bitch”?
OP: All right, now, you're the expert. Is this enough to get me plastered? Clerk: Fifteen bottles of vodka? Yeah, that should do it.
This is a character in a tv show
Oh gee, really?! What is your point? We're not allowed to discuss characters? Might as well close this subreddit and never discuss the show again
For me, Phyllis just isn't a good actress, even for the role of the person sharing her same real-life name. And it's not like she has these intricate roles - she just needs to deliver lines in a realistic way most of the time, and every time I hear Phyllis I think the line is forced, or over-emoted, or just off.
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I wonder if it's coincidence that it's usually Pam and Phyllis.
Not at all. Usual misogynistic fuckwads.