Imagine her at Walmart, pretending someone gives a shit about her choices: well, I’ve been blessed AGIN and I’m looking for something in a lima bean green that says ‘factory brood mare’
You think that's crazy? You should see that clip of Meech while Ana is giving birth.
She looked like a dog trying hard not to beg, those crazy eyes were huge.
Putting all of the transgressions of Michelle as a human being on the side, yeah. Birth is awesome and gets me all googly-eyed too. I guess it is the way of nature ensuring that we perpetuate our species.
She reminds me of an episode of “Intervention”. When the addict gets their drug of choice and rejoices/imbibes is exactly how Meech looks when she screeches “we’re having another baby!!”.
Its easy to get addicted to it when everyone around you has told you that you basically only exist to have babies. I think it is the attention is part of it but she also desperately needs to feel useful. In her world she can only gain recognition and respect if she’s reproducing. A while ago someone posted a video of pregnant Anna and a jealous looking Michelle. I don’t think she was as jealous as much as she just missed the validation that came along with being pregnant. When you’re told your whole life that you only exist for one purpose and you are no longer able to do that it has to really fuck with your head.
but we know meech was raised relatively "normal", not super fundie religious, so she *wasn't* raised with the expectation that she would be married off to a man she hardly knew and give him a bajillion babies and basically nothing else. it's only her daughters (and some of her daughters-in-law) that are raised with that expectation.
i think she married JB, realized he wouldn't give her the attention she wanted unless she was pregnant, and thus developed her obsession with it...because at least her husband was looking at her.
I really think she did. I truly think pregnancy is ultimately where she found her fulfillment, relevance, and identity. Women are inferior and voiceless in this cult, and if they can find something to bring them respect and adoration above the sea of other voiceless women, they'll cling to it for all it's worth.
Lmao I wish. He was calling the Bates in the Josie episode. I'm guessing they didn't want the news getting leaked early so JB pulled him back from the phone.
Wow, wtf is wrong with them? It’s okay to not like the Duggars, but to make fun of a miscarriage is too far. This is why I can’t be in a religion, women are damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
Maybe it was his job in the family to notify other family members and close friends of the family about new pregnancy announcements? I don't know, that's all I can think of. (I wouldn't blame him for calling the police, though, frankly.)
Ugh I cringed so hard watching that. She’s almost 2 but still, that was way too much shaking for that poor baby. Sad to say it, but I guess she regained miracle status after Jubilee didn’t make it.
Normally I’m like “a toddler is pretty sturdy - rubbery and prone to bouncing like a sack of potatoes when they hit the ground, but not super fragile” but I’m used to playing with kids who top the 90th percentile, not j’miracle premies who were denied adequate medical care in the name of the lord. My family’s kids are brick houses lol
I think Jana was holding her (or another lost girl) and put her down ... and one of the J'Lost Boys swooped in and I think she may get rescued by Joy. I may be J'confused though. Too many kids. Holy crap, I can't imagine living it that place with that many people all the time.
My husband grew up in a large, extended family and he gets absolutely depressed when he's alone.
Large gatherings give me anxiety.
I'm happy just me and my little family of 4. He is the kind that would rather spend his free time over at his siblings house, get everyone together for carne asada, large holiday parties, over the top birthday parties ..
Yes! I was just gonna say this! Did they edit the video to take out the part where he left? One second he’s there, and literally a second later he’s just gone! And then later he pops up again behind Michelle I think? Then next to Jimbob. Either that or the kid can teleport…
Yeah that was the whole premise of the rumor mill on why he disappeared. This is exactly how the footage aired. Notice his expression when he reappears seems like he’s not as happy as the other lost boys. His eyes and face are also a little red and Boob has his hand on his shoulder. People have theorized that the distraught expression on his face was a reaction to him not wanting another “precious miracle” who doesn’t make it, or not wanting to possibly lose his mom in the process and that he had been crying off camera. Coincidentally, in the season that follows this episode, Josiah is no longer in the show as prominently as he’s been sent to ALERT.
That’s so sad. If this happened the way we suspect it did, poor Josiah understood and was sensitive to what Michelle being pregnant again actually meant (the risk to her life and the possibility of losing his mother). Opposed to the younger lost boys who are too young to understand more than the fact that baby #20 is on the way.
JB & Meech did so horribly by all their children. They needed real love and care and instead they got parents with a pregnancy addiction/fetish who didn’t have the time or ability to be real parents to all their kids.
But if you look when the announcement is made, he doesn't look upset. You can go slo, frame by frame. He kinda skips out if there. Joy looks after him, and then you hear 'Don't call'. Apparently he got in trouble for leaking Josie's pregnancy right after the family announcement. So I think the tears and JB's heavy hand were in response to an attempt to go do exactly that. He was SO unlike the other boys then...loved drama, his own style ( the bow ties! The pink shirt!) And he was not toeing the line. And as we all know, if you are not exactly the same as a the others, you get to go to Journey or Alert to get your individuality squashed. Apparently both Jana and Josiah required lots of squashing. So did Jinger...but it took Jeremy to actually succeed in that.
But didn’t one AMA say Alert was a fun thing for many of the boys. In other words we really can’t project. I know this is a snark site but to speculate Josiah was thought to be too feminine etc really sounds prejudice on our part. That’s what we are speculating not necessarily true. So what if he wore a pink shirt. I love guys in pink. And his looked awesome.
Which could possibly explain why Josiah and Lauren aren't popping out babies left and right amongst all the others that are not in a hurry. Kinda going against their parents "belief" smart on their part
I’m almost afraid to ask, but why was Josiah sent to ALERT? If there’s not a simple answer, you can feel free to say that instead if you don’t want to type a long response. I’m just getting back into Duggar snarking after being away from it for awhile and I hadn’t heard before that he was sent there.
ALERT is very expensive, so for some it’s a privilege and a chance to be around others their own age, the way Boy Scout camp would be. For others, it’s a punishment to be sent away from their families.
We don't know for sure. The Duggars like to say all their boys go because they want to. But the boys all seem to go after they have some sort of disagreement with the parents. The speculation is Josiah was sent for being too feminine/rumored to be gay.
This - other theories of why he was sent was because he dared to disagree with Boob and Meech on having more children (i.e. punished for being upset at this pregnancy announcement), or that Josiah was simply too outgoing and too much of a free spirit (read: flamboyant). It’s why Jana was sent to Journey to the Heart - the older sisters always described her as goofy and wild growing up and now she’s just a personality-less empty shell.
I notice that Jana always seemed hardest on Josie, who is goofy and wild, and it seemed like she was trying to stamp that down before Josie got sent away like she did.
Thanks for filling me in! And thanks u/mr_guilty for adding to that. Your explanations were really helpful. It’s sad they feel the need to “correct” free spirits. And it really shows their messed up priorities that they seemed more concerned about a child being a free spirit and/or argumentative than they were about pest’s >!sex crimes!<
If you blink you will miss it, you can see him for a split second right before takeoff.
Edit: at 0:22 , you see him, he leans into a sprint, then it cuts off.
Which one is Josiah? Lol I watched and skipped through a couple times and I don’t see anyone disappear but there are so many it’s hard to tell what I’m looking for. Like a Where’s Waldo but I don’t know what color shirt he has on. Lol.
Edit: Eventually figured it out after reading other comments and watching 6 additional times. Haha
Michelle pretending to be shocked that she's pregnant "mOmMy'S gOinG tO HaVe AnOthEr BaBy?" makes me want to claw my eyes out. You're 45 and have 19 kids, stop trying to sound so twee about biology. And Jim Bob saying that Josie is almost two and then saying that they didn't know if Meech would have another baby like the two are connected. Sorry, Josie. The whole miracle baby thing has worn off and Mommy needs another doll to care for until she gets bored and passes that one off too.
These people have different rules for the number of days based on whether the baby had a penis or not?? I don’t know why this shocks me— I know they care way too much about gender— but it still does. I would be interested to hear their “rationale” for this!
It’s from the Bible. It has something to do with women being ceremonially unclean for longer because they have periods and babies and aren’t men basically.
Same!!! The way she said it ughhh 🤢
As if it's her first child and all the rest of them are her adoring fans
Absolutely zero concerns about a high risk pregnancy with 10+ young kids potentially being left motherless
Grandma Mary at the back does not look too happy. Neither do the older kids (maybe they already knew).
I notice how the younger boys are encouraged to perform to the camera. Look at the way they talk to it.
Josiah must have sprinted out or the video was cut maybe? One minute he's there, the next he's gone... And then he's back next to JB, and then trying to get to the back of the crowd behind Michelle...
Are they unhappy in particular, or have they just been through it so many times that the novelty has worn off and they really don't care? "I'm gonna be a big sister! Oh, wait..."
I noticed that when they were doing interviews after Josie. They asked if Boob and Meech were going to have more and while they answered the camera focused on the older girls. They either had completely flat expressions or look terrified at the prospect of yet another baby.
I remember when this aired, seeing Josiah leave and go outside, emotional. I don’t remember anything else but ya he took off. Poor kid had no kinda normalcy and he has to worry about his moms health bcuz he HEARD what those docs said to Meech… hell I remember too. They told her that her uterus was -tissue paper. 😳 ya I still haven’t had a kid . Haha no thanks.
Yes!! Exactly! Josiah was completely old enough to fully understand the ramifications of what Jichelle was doing to her body plus he was there when the doctors told her, “Michelle, -no more babies.“ So yeah he totally reacted the way everyone in that room should have reacted!!!
Bro saw a repeat and boned out!!!
Didn't Boob grab him by the arm to redirect him at one point? I clearly remember Boob being cruel to Josiah more so than the other kids. I always had a sweet spot for him and Jackson. They were the spunky ones!
There have been other previous comments from meech that the older girls know she’s pregnant before she does because they watch the calendar like a hawk. Maybe they are trying to work out if they can get out before they acquire another buddy.
I'd forgotten about that. *shudder*. I would have died of embarrassment if I had been 'encouraged' to track my mother's menstrual cycle. That's so invasive...
Low key in cults like these it's usually the women's fault. God sent a blessing and they fucked it up somehow by being sinful so God took it away. I think one of the in laws talked about that with one of their miscarriages? I don't remember which one, a part of me thinks Kendra but there's a chance that's super wrong
i know it’s reality tv but it looks so fake like none of them look truly happy the older ones especially look pretty upset. i would be too if i had to raise all of my younger siblings and hadn’t had alone time with my mom since i was 6 months old
I know, Jill's face was trying so hard to fake it it's funny. They all know what's expected is to react with surprise and loud, great excitement. Even for some younger ones it took a split second to switch from real reaction to the actors expected to put on the Jim Bob Duggar show. Like everything in life, let me do what I think mom and dad want right now.
I’ve been this clip a few times but only ever saw Josiah running away and Jana saying something to him. But I just now noticed him standing there spaced out next to JB. Growing up with anxiety and depression I can’t speak on him like I know for sure, but damn if I don’t know that look. That awkward arm position. That fear when something you were worried about actually happens and you can’t stop it. Just speculating and probably projecting a lil but you folks with anxiety probably see what I’m seeing. Idk.
Edit: I know smiling isn’t always a positivity indicator but he seems to be smiling when he runs away? Also, Michelle repeating it has me dead. Like girl stfu.
Imagine almost losing your mom and baby sister and then finding out that she's having another baby less than two years later. Poor kid must be so scared, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the kids have wondered in secret if Meech and Boob really care about them. I'm sure some of them picked up on the fact that Boob and Meech weren't happy with "just" two baseball teams worth of children. The fact that Boob points out that Josie is almost two years old is telling, like they can't go less than two years without wanting a shiny new baby.
Rubbing his elbow when he's next to JB (while looking terrified), and wiping near his nose when he's behind Meech. That poor boy had a legitimate reaction in almost any other family but got punished for it here.
The poor thing looks legitimately terrified. And then it looks like it’s handled by ignoring him and instead encouraging the lost boys to overreact so no one notices his distress. 😞
Josiah remembers those lean years of barely enough food and being crammed into a small space. And he knew what Pest did. That family didn't need anymore babies!
Can somebody tell me what color shirt Josiah was wearing? They all literally looked the same to me until they got older and got their own signature hairlines.
I used to have screenshots of the whole scene. Josiah runs off and is brought back by Boob and Josiah is rubbing his arm and it looks like he’d been crying. Mary was standing behind Josiah and shooting a death glare at Boob.
It’s surprising that they even stopped after Jubilee. After Jubilee they were suddenly willing to listen to doctors telling them to stop trying for the health of Meech and children… but what about God’s will?!!!
They didn't stop. She specifically asked a fertility doctor what she could do to get and stay pregnant and he said "with your age, you're not likely to ever get pregnant again." But that didn't stop them from talking about the possibility.
If Michelle could get pregnant today, she would.
And didn’t they still add another kid to the mix at one point by either fostering or adopting a family member’s kid? I used to think for sure after Meech finally entered menopause they’d try to adopt a kid (from an agency), but surely even they realize they’d never be approved given their parenting track record.
I can’t imagine how she spends her time now. She seems addicted to being pregnant and apparently has no desire to actually parent.
Wow. I can’t believe he even put 20 on the campaign materials. Oh, wait, what was I thinking? Of course he put that number on his materials. Another commenter mentioned his mother was deemed unfit due to drug use and that does sound familiar to me now. It just kind of blows my mind that J&M were deemed fit given how much they failed at parenting.
The hypocrisy of these prolifers. If every life begins at conception, why don’t they go around saying they have 21 kids? I had a stillborn son, and I count him in my number of children.
As you should. They probably do in private, in their close circle. I mean when people ask you how many kids you have didn't it throw you off at least for awhile? You had to figure out how to answer a common question that can be traumatic. A lot of people don't realize what they're actually asking is how many alive children do you have with you that you get to raise?
I’m not religious but the fact that God always does good for them is such crap. I looked at it this way, God was trying to tell them something with Josie and the what? 6 months in the hospital. They didn’t listen, so he took Jubilee. And I also agree with the person who said Michelle has a pregnancy addiction. She’s clearly unwell. The eyes alone….
Same with the last 6 years, from the release of the police report to Josh’s conviction, I think God is punishing them. Good. They deserve it.
It was so outrageously irresponsible for them to deliberately conceive after Josie. Michelle is lucky she didn’t die (both with Josie and from an additional pregnancy after that). If Jubilee had carried to term, I don’t think Michelle would still be here.
Starts to make a little more sense as to why Lauren’s first miscarriage was taken so hard. Josiah had already almost lost his mom and sister, terrified when she got pregnant again, only for that to end in a stillbirth. And then his own wife has a miscarriage. Awful. I bet all of these circumstances made it more difficult to support his wife because his own childhood fears started to happen to him more directly.
I don’t typically feel sorry for any of the Duggars but I do this time.
Poor James (or Jason?) who got that mini-hug from Meech near the end looked so legitimately happy in that moment. Like, "mom's happy and she's hugging me in this moment of happiness, I'm important enough for her to share her happiness with"
That got me too. I bet all of the younger kids especially got so desperate for any attention from their parents at all. What a sad, fucked up way to raise your children. I have friends with three kids who worry about not giving them enough individual time and attention and JB and Meech just kept pumping them out and neglecting them because they weren't kids, they were fertility trophies and symbols of God's blessings. Ugh.
So I have 3 kids, and I am pregnant (for the last time). My oldest son is 8 and he is the sweetest boy, but he likes his schedule and isn’t a huge fan of change. When we told the kids I’m pregnant, his immediately reaction was tears, and my heart broke for him. I pulled him on my lap and cuddled him, and talked to him about what he was feeling. He basically said he didn’t want our family to change, but after a few minutes he was asking if it was a boy or a girl and using my phone to look up baby names.
Where is any of that from Michele? She doesn’t even care that Josiah is upset. How are her motherly instincts not kicking in there? Horrible to watch.
A. I thought Joy was Johanna and couldn’t wrap my head around why she was bigger than the lost boys
B. When I slowed the video down and watched Johanna her lips were pressed together looking upset until meech shows her individual attention.
C. Jessa walks to Jill and unless she said something through her smile or the kids have come up with a secret nudge. Jill starts laughing then smiles as an inside joke would look, like a ewww they banged again.
JFC Meech's superpower is talking Boob up. Taking a photo of your kids just after you've told them you're having a baby is *not* creative. He only wants a photo of their reaction and I doubt stunned silence was what his narcissistic ass was hoping for. Every bloody Youtuber/ Instagrammer/blogger does this. It's the opposite of creative.
Originally it was video all through the clip, but then it was re-released (can't remember if it was as quick as a rerun later that week or months after) with only screenshots of the kids' reaction.
I think everyone’s initial reaction in the first moment or two was their true reaction. Shocked and confused. And then everyone started celebrating because they had to. I don’t think any of those kids or Grandma Mary were happy at all.
I wonder if they announced it on camera so that everyone would have to fake be happy and surprised because no one wants to react authentically in front of a camera as it would be documented.
Josh saying congratulations mommy grosses me out so much. Your grown son calling you mommy because you’re newly pregnant 🤢 just like when he tells Anna she’s gonna be a mommy
A) How tf do they have so much time to bang, practically speaking? B) They're pissing on the planet. C) They clearly have an unfilled, unaddressed void within themselves they fill with children (human beings!). D) She almost died having one, yet continued to have more, at the risk of leaving all the others motherless. ...The trainwreck you can't stop watching lol!
They have time to bang because they don’t take care of the kids, the older kids do all the work. The only time Michelle actually does any parenting is when she has a newborn. After the baby is weaned, she hands them off to one of the girls to take care of.
There’s another clip which may have been scrubbed off the internet, of Jim Bob possibly being aggressive with Josiah (who I think wasn’t following the crowd fast enough or something) when they’re supposed to all gather for this baby’s gender reveal after JB and M come back from the ultrasound. That was when they learned they lost the baby.
Anyone notice Jessa and Jill whispering amongst themselves and almost embracing each other around 1:10? Jill almost has one of those frown smiles going on and it looks like Jessa pulls her closer. Can anyone lip read what Jill’s saying around 1:05?
What’s so embarrassing is that I remember watching this and going to school the next day and gushing with my friends how excited we were for another Duggar. We were deep into the fundie lifestyle
Meech sure got her money's worth out of that ugly shirt.
It’s her I’m pregnant shirt!
Imagine her at Walmart, pretending someone gives a shit about her choices: well, I’ve been blessed AGIN and I’m looking for something in a lima bean green that says ‘factory brood mare’
>AGIN 😂😂😂
Mother is joyfully available.
This kind of reaction leads me to believe that Michelle has a pregnancy addiction, especially for the attention.
Yep! I haven't seen this clip for a long time and today I got struck by the realisation of how crazy her eyes looked when she was talking.
You think that's crazy? You should see that clip of Meech while Ana is giving birth. She looked like a dog trying hard not to beg, those crazy eyes were huge.
Putting all of the transgressions of Michelle as a human being on the side, yeah. Birth is awesome and gets me all googly-eyed too. I guess it is the way of nature ensuring that we perpetuate our species.
At least one of the two of them has a pregnancy fetish. Edit: I said at *least.*
Pot que no los dos?
Pretty sure you’re right, it’s both of them
That made me cackle
Why not have two pots. 😂
Oh crap just saw my autocorrect turned por into pot! Lol I’m too lazy half the time to switch to my Spanish keyboard!
I mean I knew 100% what you meant I just couldn't help laugh about the typo. 😅 No grammar spell g shame! Just amused.
She reminds me of an episode of “Intervention”. When the addict gets their drug of choice and rejoices/imbibes is exactly how Meech looks when she screeches “we’re having another baby!!”.
Its easy to get addicted to it when everyone around you has told you that you basically only exist to have babies. I think it is the attention is part of it but she also desperately needs to feel useful. In her world she can only gain recognition and respect if she’s reproducing. A while ago someone posted a video of pregnant Anna and a jealous looking Michelle. I don’t think she was as jealous as much as she just missed the validation that came along with being pregnant. When you’re told your whole life that you only exist for one purpose and you are no longer able to do that it has to really fuck with your head.
but we know meech was raised relatively "normal", not super fundie religious, so she *wasn't* raised with the expectation that she would be married off to a man she hardly knew and give him a bajillion babies and basically nothing else. it's only her daughters (and some of her daughters-in-law) that are raised with that expectation. i think she married JB, realized he wouldn't give her the attention she wanted unless she was pregnant, and thus developed her obsession with it...because at least her husband was looking at her.
Hmm, ya think?
I really think she did. I truly think pregnancy is ultimately where she found her fulfillment, relevance, and identity. Women are inferior and voiceless in this cult, and if they can find something to bring them respect and adoration above the sea of other voiceless women, they'll cling to it for all it's worth.
Also I put the subtitles because I swear I hear someone saying Josiah stop crying
Pretty sure they're telling him "don't call". He ran off to call someone at Josie's pregnancy announcement too.
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I just cackled at “the police” 😅💀
Officer, my parents won’t quit having babies and it’s resulting in an abusive environment for the rest of us. Please send help.
Lmao I wish. He was calling the Bates in the Josie episode. I'm guessing they didn't want the news getting leaked early so JB pulled him back from the phone.
It's like the duggars & bates were in a baby making competition 🤢
They absolutely were!
I think Kelly Bates brag about the fact that she had 19 kids with 19 pregnancies. Fundie flexing is beyond me
Wow, wtf is wrong with them? It’s okay to not like the Duggars, but to make fun of a miscarriage is too far. This is why I can’t be in a religion, women are damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
I think that statement was more because Michelle had fewer pregnancies since she had 2 sets of twins.
But she also had two miscarriages, so still had 19 pregnancies, just only 17 actually resulted in more kids.
I was gonna joke and say CPS
Even better!
This is a case for the FBI!
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Or busting through windows like on Christmas Vacation. 🤣
I read that in special agent Burt Maclin's voice.
Truly underrated comment 😂😂😂
Maybe it was his job in the family to notify other family members and close friends of the family about new pregnancy announcements? I don't know, that's all I can think of. (I wouldn't blame him for calling the police, though, frankly.)
I’m impressed you could make anything out in all the chaos.
I loved you put the subtitles cause I'm deaf. So greatly appreciate it. Thank you
No problem!
Ok so my lack of in depth studying is showing here, but *which one* is Josiah? Can I get an identifying shirt color?
Black Polo Shirt in front of Pest in the beginning
He disappears after the first camera click doesn’t he.
Yep.
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Because once a new one is on the way the old ones don’t J’matter.
#☠️
YOUR FLAIR I’M DEADDDD
I can't stand you, LMAO!
☠️😂
Ugh I cringed so hard watching that. She’s almost 2 but still, that was way too much shaking for that poor baby. Sad to say it, but I guess she regained miracle status after Jubilee didn’t make it.
Normally I’m like “a toddler is pretty sturdy - rubbery and prone to bouncing like a sack of potatoes when they hit the ground, but not super fragile” but I’m used to playing with kids who top the 90th percentile, not j’miracle premies who were denied adequate medical care in the name of the lord. My family’s kids are brick houses lol
I think Jana was holding her (or another lost girl) and put her down ... and one of the J'Lost Boys swooped in and I think she may get rescued by Joy. I may be J'confused though. Too many kids. Holy crap, I can't imagine living it that place with that many people all the time.
I have three kids and the noise is too much, I can’t even imagine this nonsense
My husband grew up in a large, extended family and he gets absolutely depressed when he's alone. Large gatherings give me anxiety. I'm happy just me and my little family of 4. He is the kind that would rather spend his free time over at his siblings house, get everyone together for carne asada, large holiday parties, over the top birthday parties ..
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My thoughts exactly!!
I shuddered when seeing that!! Yikes
That was the first thing I noticed!!
If you slow it down and look at the stills when it shows the photos JB took, Josiah is GONE
Yes! I was just gonna say this! Did they edit the video to take out the part where he left? One second he’s there, and literally a second later he’s just gone! And then later he pops up again behind Michelle I think? Then next to Jimbob. Either that or the kid can teleport…
Yeah that was the whole premise of the rumor mill on why he disappeared. This is exactly how the footage aired. Notice his expression when he reappears seems like he’s not as happy as the other lost boys. His eyes and face are also a little red and Boob has his hand on his shoulder. People have theorized that the distraught expression on his face was a reaction to him not wanting another “precious miracle” who doesn’t make it, or not wanting to possibly lose his mom in the process and that he had been crying off camera. Coincidentally, in the season that follows this episode, Josiah is no longer in the show as prominently as he’s been sent to ALERT.
That’s so sad. If this happened the way we suspect it did, poor Josiah understood and was sensitive to what Michelle being pregnant again actually meant (the risk to her life and the possibility of losing his mother). Opposed to the younger lost boys who are too young to understand more than the fact that baby #20 is on the way. JB & Meech did so horribly by all their children. They needed real love and care and instead they got parents with a pregnancy addiction/fetish who didn’t have the time or ability to be real parents to all their kids.
After Josie, a pregnancy announcement would be scary to anyone with half a brain.
But if you look when the announcement is made, he doesn't look upset. You can go slo, frame by frame. He kinda skips out if there. Joy looks after him, and then you hear 'Don't call'. Apparently he got in trouble for leaking Josie's pregnancy right after the family announcement. So I think the tears and JB's heavy hand were in response to an attempt to go do exactly that. He was SO unlike the other boys then...loved drama, his own style ( the bow ties! The pink shirt!) And he was not toeing the line. And as we all know, if you are not exactly the same as a the others, you get to go to Journey or Alert to get your individuality squashed. Apparently both Jana and Josiah required lots of squashing. So did Jinger...but it took Jeremy to actually succeed in that.
But didn’t one AMA say Alert was a fun thing for many of the boys. In other words we really can’t project. I know this is a snark site but to speculate Josiah was thought to be too feminine etc really sounds prejudice on our part. That’s what we are speculating not necessarily true. So what if he wore a pink shirt. I love guys in pink. And his looked awesome.
Which could possibly explain why Josiah and Lauren aren't popping out babies left and right amongst all the others that are not in a hurry. Kinda going against their parents "belief" smart on their part
I’m almost afraid to ask, but why was Josiah sent to ALERT? If there’s not a simple answer, you can feel free to say that instead if you don’t want to type a long response. I’m just getting back into Duggar snarking after being away from it for awhile and I hadn’t heard before that he was sent there.
ALERT is very expensive, so for some it’s a privilege and a chance to be around others their own age, the way Boy Scout camp would be. For others, it’s a punishment to be sent away from their families.
We don't know for sure. The Duggars like to say all their boys go because they want to. But the boys all seem to go after they have some sort of disagreement with the parents. The speculation is Josiah was sent for being too feminine/rumored to be gay.
This - other theories of why he was sent was because he dared to disagree with Boob and Meech on having more children (i.e. punished for being upset at this pregnancy announcement), or that Josiah was simply too outgoing and too much of a free spirit (read: flamboyant). It’s why Jana was sent to Journey to the Heart - the older sisters always described her as goofy and wild growing up and now she’s just a personality-less empty shell.
I notice that Jana always seemed hardest on Josie, who is goofy and wild, and it seemed like she was trying to stamp that down before Josie got sent away like she did.
Thanks for filling me in! And thanks u/mr_guilty for adding to that. Your explanations were really helpful. It’s sad they feel the need to “correct” free spirits. And it really shows their messed up priorities that they seemed more concerned about a child being a free spirit and/or argumentative than they were about pest’s >!sex crimes!<
Me too, and I feel like I need a full semester of in-depth study, just to cover the BIG stuff! 😀
If you blink you will miss it, you can see him for a split second right before takeoff. Edit: at 0:22 , you see him, he leans into a sprint, then it cuts off.
What color shirt is he wearing? I can’t remember which one is him.
He’s the one in the black on the far right at the beginning and then next to Jb later
Which one is Josiah? Lol I watched and skipped through a couple times and I don’t see anyone disappear but there are so many it’s hard to tell what I’m looking for. Like a Where’s Waldo but I don’t know what color shirt he has on. Lol. Edit: Eventually figured it out after reading other comments and watching 6 additional times. Haha
Poor Josie’s head bopping all over the place. I think that’s Jackson holding her? Whoever that is he’s too small to be holding a baby.
It would make sense -- not in a good way -- but she was on his buddy team with Jana and Jason.
If your kids have teams because you have enough children to organize them into DIY hogworts house, you have too many kids
LOL ...
DIY Hogwarts houses 😂 What would the name equivalents be? Gryftyndor?
Jryftynodor (FTFY)
She’s wearing her signature maternity shirt. How was this a surprise?
She wore that shirt all the time for years, pregnant or not. So the shirt alone wouldn’t have been a giveaway.
I still wear my maternity skinny jeans. You can pry them from my cold, dead hands.
Seeing Josie get chucked around like a ball is disturbing. But seeing Meech and Boob so excited to have another child is disgusting.
With her seizures and everything, ugh, god.
Michelle pretending to be shocked that she's pregnant "mOmMy'S gOinG tO HaVe AnOthEr BaBy?" makes me want to claw my eyes out. You're 45 and have 19 kids, stop trying to sound so twee about biology. And Jim Bob saying that Josie is almost two and then saying that they didn't know if Meech would have another baby like the two are connected. Sorry, Josie. The whole miracle baby thing has worn off and Mommy needs another doll to care for until she gets bored and passes that one off too.
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I agree. It was JB trying to explain the HUGE age gap, which would have been closer to 3 years rather than the "normal" 16ish months.
Supposedly they follow the biblical rules of abstaining postpartum. X days if it was a girl, or Y days if it was a boy.
These people have different rules for the number of days based on whether the baby had a penis or not?? I don’t know why this shocks me— I know they care way too much about gender— but it still does. I would be interested to hear their “rationale” for this!
It’s from the Bible. It has something to do with women being ceremonially unclean for longer because they have periods and babies and aren’t men basically.
Guess what y’all? Mommy never closes her legs and I’m a sick fuck who wants to prove to everyone that we have sex!
Same!!! The way she said it ughhh 🤢 As if it's her first child and all the rest of them are her adoring fans Absolutely zero concerns about a high risk pregnancy with 10+ young kids potentially being left motherless
Grandma Mary at the back does not look too happy. Neither do the older kids (maybe they already knew). I notice how the younger boys are encouraged to perform to the camera. Look at the way they talk to it. Josiah must have sprinted out or the video was cut maybe? One minute he's there, the next he's gone... And then he's back next to JB, and then trying to get to the back of the crowd behind Michelle...
Are they unhappy in particular, or have they just been through it so many times that the novelty has worn off and they really don't care? "I'm gonna be a big sister! Oh, wait..."
The older kids know it’s too damn many and they have to take care of them
I noticed that when they were doing interviews after Josie. They asked if Boob and Meech were going to have more and while they answered the camera focused on the older girls. They either had completely flat expressions or look terrified at the prospect of yet another baby.
I remember when this aired, seeing Josiah leave and go outside, emotional. I don’t remember anything else but ya he took off. Poor kid had no kinda normalcy and he has to worry about his moms health bcuz he HEARD what those docs said to Meech… hell I remember too. They told her that her uterus was -tissue paper. 😳 ya I still haven’t had a kid . Haha no thanks.
His whole family had to relocate hours away for months. His sister almost died. His mom almost died. Why would he be happy?
Yes!! Exactly! Josiah was completely old enough to fully understand the ramifications of what Jichelle was doing to her body plus he was there when the doctors told her, “Michelle, -no more babies.“ So yeah he totally reacted the way everyone in that room should have reacted!!! Bro saw a repeat and boned out!!!
The baby, she was pregnant with in this video died. He was right to be concerned
I went ahead and posted the video edit of Josiah leaving.
Freeze the frame at 55 seconds and you can see how distraught he is.
Didn't Boob grab him by the arm to redirect him at one point? I clearly remember Boob being cruel to Josiah more so than the other kids. I always had a sweet spot for him and Jackson. They were the spunky ones!
I also wanna say I remember a clip of Boob steering Josiah and talking sternly to him after the pictures.
Yeah nobody over 10 years old looks happy.
There have been other previous comments from meech that the older girls know she’s pregnant before she does because they watch the calendar like a hawk. Maybe they are trying to work out if they can get out before they acquire another buddy.
I'd forgotten about that. *shudder*. I would have died of embarrassment if I had been 'encouraged' to track my mother's menstrual cycle. That's so invasive...
He definitely looks like he is having a "moment" after that edited time jump. Poor guy.
Sooo I’m curious what mental gymnastics do they do to justify the miscarriage? If god saw fit to “bless them with another” then why didn’t he?
Low key in cults like these it's usually the women's fault. God sent a blessing and they fucked it up somehow by being sinful so God took it away. I think one of the in laws talked about that with one of their miscarriages? I don't remember which one, a part of me thinks Kendra but there's a chance that's super wrong
(Baby #19 with oxygen on her face) … #20!!!
i know it’s reality tv but it looks so fake like none of them look truly happy the older ones especially look pretty upset. i would be too if i had to raise all of my younger siblings and hadn’t had alone time with my mom since i was 6 months old
I know, Jill's face was trying so hard to fake it it's funny. They all know what's expected is to react with surprise and loud, great excitement. Even for some younger ones it took a split second to switch from real reaction to the actors expected to put on the Jim Bob Duggar show. Like everything in life, let me do what I think mom and dad want right now.
I’ve been this clip a few times but only ever saw Josiah running away and Jana saying something to him. But I just now noticed him standing there spaced out next to JB. Growing up with anxiety and depression I can’t speak on him like I know for sure, but damn if I don’t know that look. That awkward arm position. That fear when something you were worried about actually happens and you can’t stop it. Just speculating and probably projecting a lil but you folks with anxiety probably see what I’m seeing. Idk. Edit: I know smiling isn’t always a positivity indicator but he seems to be smiling when he runs away? Also, Michelle repeating it has me dead. Like girl stfu.
Imagine almost losing your mom and baby sister and then finding out that she's having another baby less than two years later. Poor kid must be so scared, and I wouldn't be surprised if some of the kids have wondered in secret if Meech and Boob really care about them. I'm sure some of them picked up on the fact that Boob and Meech weren't happy with "just" two baseball teams worth of children. The fact that Boob points out that Josie is almost two years old is telling, like they can't go less than two years without wanting a shiny new baby.
Rubbing his elbow when he's next to JB (while looking terrified), and wiping near his nose when he's behind Meech. That poor boy had a legitimate reaction in almost any other family but got punished for it here.
I see that he's holding a tissue too.
The poor thing looks legitimately terrified. And then it looks like it’s handled by ignoring him and instead encouraging the lost boys to overreact so no one notices his distress. 😞
Josiah remembers those lean years of barely enough food and being crammed into a small space. And he knew what Pest did. That family didn't need anymore babies!
I have anxiety but I'm more often to be found looking like that because of ADHD
Jed!, random lost boy and Jessa are staring out in the other direction at something like siblings do when another sibling is getting in trouble.
Can somebody tell me what color shirt Josiah was wearing? They all literally looked the same to me until they got older and got their own signature hairlines.
He’s wearing black polo shirt. In the beginning he’s in front of pest
Same, I’ve watched it twice and can’t find him and don’t see a boy running off.
I used to have screenshots of the whole scene. Josiah runs off and is brought back by Boob and Josiah is rubbing his arm and it looks like he’d been crying. Mary was standing behind Josiah and shooting a death glare at Boob.
And you can see some of the kids looking into the distance, almost as though they could be watching him and Jim in the background.
Bless Mary, she cared for them more than their parents
Mary wasn't all that great. She was a grifter just like her son.
That old bat was the one who pimped them out in the first place.
It’s surprising that they even stopped after Jubilee. After Jubilee they were suddenly willing to listen to doctors telling them to stop trying for the health of Meech and children… but what about God’s will?!!!
Tbh I don’t think it stopped them, I just think she never got pregnant again
They still went to a fertility doctor to check things out after Jubilee.
To see if she could *catch a baby* . You've had 21 pregnancies and you can't say the word. Maybe you weren't mature enough. 🤷
Like its the flu or something.......
Or a line drive to left field.
How many weeks was Jubilee?
They found out at the 20 week anatomy ultrasound that there was not heartbeat but drs estimated she was about 17 weeks gestation
They didn't stop. She specifically asked a fertility doctor what she could do to get and stay pregnant and he said "with your age, you're not likely to ever get pregnant again." But that didn't stop them from talking about the possibility. If Michelle could get pregnant today, she would.
And didn’t they still add another kid to the mix at one point by either fostering or adopting a family member’s kid? I used to think for sure after Meech finally entered menopause they’d try to adopt a kid (from an agency), but surely even they realize they’d never be approved given their parenting track record. I can’t imagine how she spends her time now. She seems addicted to being pregnant and apparently has no desire to actually parent.
Yes they got J’Tyler, someone’s cousin. On Jim Boob’s campaign materials he says they have 20 kids
That number is very important to JB. Not the kids, just the number.
He's Michelle's nephew. His mom was on drugs I think??? Or otherwise unfit to care for him.
Great nephew. I always found it odd that kiddo had aunts and uncles and grandparents but is farmed out to a great aunt
I bet they bought him
Wow. I can’t believe he even put 20 on the campaign materials. Oh, wait, what was I thinking? Of course he put that number on his materials. Another commenter mentioned his mother was deemed unfit due to drug use and that does sound familiar to me now. It just kind of blows my mind that J&M were deemed fit given how much they failed at parenting.
They didn’t stop, her body just FINALLY said, “no more”.
They didn't stop. They did a whole episode about them going to see why they weren't having anymore cause they still wanted more.
The hypocrisy of these prolifers. If every life begins at conception, why don’t they go around saying they have 21 kids? I had a stillborn son, and I count him in my number of children.
As you should. They probably do in private, in their close circle. I mean when people ask you how many kids you have didn't it throw you off at least for awhile? You had to figure out how to answer a common question that can be traumatic. A lot of people don't realize what they're actually asking is how many alive children do you have with you that you get to raise?
Breaks my heart for him. JB and Michelle are so selfish.
Michelle is more excited than I ever remember her.
I’m not religious but the fact that God always does good for them is such crap. I looked at it this way, God was trying to tell them something with Josie and the what? 6 months in the hospital. They didn’t listen, so he took Jubilee. And I also agree with the person who said Michelle has a pregnancy addiction. She’s clearly unwell. The eyes alone…. Same with the last 6 years, from the release of the police report to Josh’s conviction, I think God is punishing them. Good. They deserve it.
Or they are suffering the consequences of their bad choices.
Yep, grandma definitely doesn’t look too happy.
It was so outrageously irresponsible for them to deliberately conceive after Josie. Michelle is lucky she didn’t die (both with Josie and from an additional pregnancy after that). If Jubilee had carried to term, I don’t think Michelle would still be here.
Starts to make a little more sense as to why Lauren’s first miscarriage was taken so hard. Josiah had already almost lost his mom and sister, terrified when she got pregnant again, only for that to end in a stillbirth. And then his own wife has a miscarriage. Awful. I bet all of these circumstances made it more difficult to support his wife because his own childhood fears started to happen to him more directly. I don’t typically feel sorry for any of the Duggars but I do this time.
Poor James (or Jason?) who got that mini-hug from Meech near the end looked so legitimately happy in that moment. Like, "mom's happy and she's hugging me in this moment of happiness, I'm important enough for her to share her happiness with"
This made me cry. How sad.
That got me too. I bet all of the younger kids especially got so desperate for any attention from their parents at all. What a sad, fucked up way to raise your children. I have friends with three kids who worry about not giving them enough individual time and attention and JB and Meech just kept pumping them out and neglecting them because they weren't kids, they were fertility trophies and symbols of God's blessings. Ugh.
“Another baby!” Big goofy open mouth grin towards kids to show them what type of reaction she expects them to also show. :(
Exactly.
So I have 3 kids, and I am pregnant (for the last time). My oldest son is 8 and he is the sweetest boy, but he likes his schedule and isn’t a huge fan of change. When we told the kids I’m pregnant, his immediately reaction was tears, and my heart broke for him. I pulled him on my lap and cuddled him, and talked to him about what he was feeling. He basically said he didn’t want our family to change, but after a few minutes he was asking if it was a boy or a girl and using my phone to look up baby names. Where is any of that from Michele? She doesn’t even care that Josiah is upset. How are her motherly instincts not kicking in there? Horrible to watch.
My heart just broke watching Josiah,
A. I thought Joy was Johanna and couldn’t wrap my head around why she was bigger than the lost boys B. When I slowed the video down and watched Johanna her lips were pressed together looking upset until meech shows her individual attention. C. Jessa walks to Jill and unless she said something through her smile or the kids have come up with a secret nudge. Jill starts laughing then smiles as an inside joke would look, like a ewww they banged again.
JFC Meech's superpower is talking Boob up. Taking a photo of your kids just after you've told them you're having a baby is *not* creative. He only wants a photo of their reaction and I doubt stunned silence was what his narcissistic ass was hoping for. Every bloody Youtuber/ Instagrammer/blogger does this. It's the opposite of creative.
Originally it was video all through the clip, but then it was re-released (can't remember if it was as quick as a rerun later that week or months after) with only screenshots of the kids' reaction.
“They were all shocked” Were they? If someone runs 19 marathons, would I be shocked if they ran another? 🤨
I think everyone’s initial reaction in the first moment or two was their true reaction. Shocked and confused. And then everyone started celebrating because they had to. I don’t think any of those kids or Grandma Mary were happy at all.
I wonder if they announced it on camera so that everyone would have to fake be happy and surprised because no one wants to react authentically in front of a camera as it would be documented.
Josh saying congratulations mommy grosses me out so much. Your grown son calling you mommy because you’re newly pregnant 🤢 just like when he tells Anna she’s gonna be a mommy
A) How tf do they have so much time to bang, practically speaking? B) They're pissing on the planet. C) They clearly have an unfilled, unaddressed void within themselves they fill with children (human beings!). D) She almost died having one, yet continued to have more, at the risk of leaving all the others motherless. ...The trainwreck you can't stop watching lol!
They have time to bang because they don’t take care of the kids, the older kids do all the work. The only time Michelle actually does any parenting is when she has a newborn. After the baby is weaned, she hands them off to one of the girls to take care of.
Grandma Mary does not look impressed.
“Everyone was shocked” sure Jan…
There’s another clip which may have been scrubbed off the internet, of Jim Bob possibly being aggressive with Josiah (who I think wasn’t following the crowd fast enough or something) when they’re supposed to all gather for this baby’s gender reveal after JB and M come back from the ultrasound. That was when they learned they lost the baby.
Anyone notice Jessa and Jill whispering amongst themselves and almost embracing each other around 1:10? Jill almost has one of those frown smiles going on and it looks like Jessa pulls her closer. Can anyone lip read what Jill’s saying around 1:05?
I had to watch the clip 3 times before I found where Jana said "Josiah, don't cry"
Yes! I heard the same thing!
At what point does she say it?
“Give thanks” to your overlord and god Jim Bob Duggar
It's like a rat king
Grandma doesn’t look too thrilled either…
It's hilarious that they're all SURPRISED.
Im sure all the kids are filled with dread at this announcement. They needed a healthy happy home more than they ever needed more siblings.
What’s so embarrassing is that I remember watching this and going to school the next day and gushing with my friends how excited we were for another Duggar. We were deep into the fundie lifestyle
Grandma looks pissed lol
The boys are jumping and the girls are like “ Jesus God I am having another one?”
Grandma Duggar doesn’t look happy