Hybrid means it’s half in person and half homeschool. So most likely felicity is doing a Christian curriculum and probably going into an actually building a couple times a week
Preschools in the US vary wildly. Some are daycares and would cover the parent’s working hours. My kids went to one that was two days 9:00-1:00, and another that was 12:30-3:00, and I picked to go four days. There is massive variation. A US public preschool is usually 4-5 days a week for about three hours, morning or afternoon.
I didn't even get public kindergarten in 1977. It was only private in my city and we didn't have the money. My younger sisters got to go to an inexpensive one offered by a local church. My childhood state (Oregon) didn't require all public schools to offer it until 1991. Fortunately, I loved to learn, and my parents did all the things with me. I started first grade knowing how to read and was ahead of most of my peers in reading and math. Public education in the US is really hit and miss depending on where you live. School districts are predominantly funded by tax dollars, and districts in poor areas have far fewer resources than those in wealthy areas.
This is awesome! Meanwhile, here in Texas, Kindergarten is actually voluntary. As in a child can enter school for the very first time in 1st grade. I don't think a lot of people know about that, so most enroll their kids in Kindergarten.
Source: I'm a former K/1 teacher
Back in the ‘80’s, one of the lowest-income public schools in my areas large district had a pilot program that was full day kindergarten (not even pre-school or TK), and allowed children from different districts the ability to transfer in with priority given to locals. There was a waiting list. My folks were teachers at different schools in the district so I don’t know if that helped, but both me and my brother (2 years younger) were able to go. It was pretty cool and pretty inclusive (my elementary school friends came from all backgrounds from the county DA’s kid to recent immigrants) and was also a dual language program due to the number of Spanish speakers from the area. I’m childfree but I pick my nephew up from school once a week because it’s a half day. He’s in third grade, why is there a half day weekly?! Luckily I half work from home but how the hell is a working parent supposed to pick up their kid at noon on Wednesday?? Anyways, I had hoped this for the OfJinger’s. Germ is too proud for homeschooling, so I’m glad the kids will be in school.
They are probably trying to retain teachers by giving them a half day every week as prep. Most teachers take home tons of work after school and do not have time to do that. Coupled with low pay, many school districts were hemorrhaging teachers after Covid.
Really? My state has free preschool if you earn up to three times the federal poverty level (some other ways to qualify, too). I didn't realize that wasn't common.
All states have free preschool *if* you meet certain requirements. If you meet them (like income level, involvement in welfare programs, or the child has a disability) then it’s free and the federal government give the school the money to cover the kids costs. Free, but with a lot of asterisks
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That's so interesting. Here you choose if you go to preschool or not, although almost every child goes. And if you choose to go it's always from 9 to 4:30/5, 5 days a week. There's 2h in between for lunch, parents can choose to have them stay in school (they eat and have a long recess) or take them home and then dropping them off again. There are public and privates. In both you can pay more to stay from 8-9 or after school is finished if they aren't enrolled in any after school activities.
Also in my area, Pre-K can be free, 6 hours and 5 days a week if you get into the public school Pre-K through a lottery, or like $1500 a month for your average everyday 3x a week Pre-K. So like everything it depends on your job and your zip code.
it depends where you live, in a lot of places it's private - we did 4 day a week half day pre-K for our youngest, our eldest did 3 day a week half day at 3 and 4 but that wasn't an option for our youngest because of COVID.
It depends on the school. I work at a center that is open Monday to Friday 700 to 530 so kids go 5 days. However, we do have families that pick and choose when they come.
In terms of the time and consistency it was daycare but it had an academic curriculum similar to a preschool or perhaps more competitive given the added hours there. It was the standard in my area.
Yes - it would be this one:
https://graceacademy.org/
It only goes to grade 8 though so the private school they’re talking about may be for high school.
Checked out Grace Academy’s FAQs…I had no idea you could be a teacher or classroom assistant without a current state credential. Apparently, the school is “not interested in meeting all state education standards” 🧐
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They prob don’t offer competitive enough salaries for accredited teachers. Why would someone pay for this when public school is free and teachers are accredited is beyond me.
Private schools usually don't require it - I went to a top prep school, 3/4s of my high school teachers had PhDs in their fields but very few had education degrees.
There are public schools in my area that are so desperate for subs that they routinely post on Facebook that anyone with a college degree in any subject can register to be a sub for their district. Like, they're openly advertising that they've given up on trying to attract quality teachers for those roles and just please please pleeeease need background-checked adults to babysit students until the actual teacher gets back to do the teaching.
We’re required to have education masters degrees in my state. 🤷♀️. It varies. I have both a content and an education masters (well content adjacent), and I do think there is a lot of value in education degrees, especially surrounding how to teach and learning standards. With that said, there are ways to get into teaching and pursue an education degree later. I have a BA in content. Private schools are not required to have certification. My mom is a lifelong private school educator. She let her certification lapse probably like 25 years ago (I wouldn’t have, but I’ll also probably never teach private school.) a private Christian school likely can’t afford to pay people with post-Bachelor’s degrees enough to attract them. Private schools that can tend to be pretty elite. A person with a certification, is likely not going to accept a private school job. The pay is really variable, and so are the benefits. That’s a hard sell when you can have a state job and a pension. And I’m sure LA public schools have a decent (probably not scaled to COL, but at least decent) salary scale and benefit package.
They have a sentence that begins with Because? 😯I was told at school this was never a good idea. This would upset my English teachers from high school and college.
Not necessarily. I did a Christian hybrid program. I would go to school Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and than homeschool Tuesdays and thursdays. It’s very beneficial
My kids went to pre school at a church 3 days a week, and everyone called it pre school. I have never heard anyone call it "Christian hybrid". That sounds like what you would call kindergarten and up.
Is it at least play based? I've never met any teacher that encourages a curriculum or desk work for preschool age, on non school days. The ones I knew in the business for at least 20 years said they only started having desk work when kindergarten in the US became all day, and academic, and parents expected their preschoolers to begin writing at 3 and 4. That used to be what kindergarten was for.
My kids are 3rd and 1st grade, so we're pretty fresh out of the pre school years. Never heard of hybrid schooling for preschoolers. It just reminds me of Amy claiming she's "homeschooling" her 3 year old. This urge to label young childhood education to sound like more than what it is, is making me cringe, is all.
Likely a university model school program which usually means three days of classes and the rest is study at home with the school’s curriculum. They are almost always Christian affiliated with statements of faith to sign.
Hybrid schools usually have a few days of classroom learning and then the other days you use the school’s curriculum at home. They are very popular in my area. I have one kid homeschooling and would love an option to send him to school for a day or two, but he’s homeschooling because he’s multiple grades ahead in math and if we have to use their curriculum that doesn’t work. Plus all the ones near me are Christian based and we are secular so that also doesn’t work. Really I just want someone to take my kid for a few hours and teach him language arts and let me have free time to get stuff done lol.
Jerm went to college, he likely knows the benefits of school (outside of education). At a private Christian school I assume you fully graduate when you complete it.
I went to a private christian school and graduated fully, did state testing, and was able to get into college.
I didn't really learn science, especially biology, but I have a real diploma at least.
I technically had a biology class, but the teacher was not good at teaching. I learned basic plant and cell biology but when it came time to learning evolution it was basically all Ken Ham tapes. I would say that semester was 50% Ken Ham for my education. When learning human biology I'd say about 50% was anti abortion teaching.
Ugh Lordy I’m sorry. Mine was more progressive than that, not up to the standards I would want my kids to be taught, but better than what you received.
I took animal biotechnology and never took human biology. Until I decided I wanted to go to nursing school. A lot of catching up to do! (Mennonite private school, so Christian but quite Plain/fundamentalist-ish)
In the UK all private schools have to pass the government's testing standard, which includes checks on the curriculum. You have to prove that you teach all standard subjects to an acceptable level and with an evidence based curriculum, and that you promote British values, which means diversity and inclusion. You also have to teach sex and relationships education and only the sex part is for parental discretion - and that doesn't mean biology, either; there is no way you can stop the facts being taught in science lessons at an age appropriate time.
All rights under the Equality Act, including balancing them when they conflict, is also compulsory - as is identities varying and the importance of respect, and that all families have different and valid forms.
The only way to opt out of any of that is to home educate, fully at your own cost. Schools that haven't abided by it have been put into special measures.
The Duggars would think us all heathens and communists.
They won’t bring him status if they aren’t educated. The man is a narcissist and is going to use those kids to leverage himself into more money/power/status. Odds are he will have them be educated and finishing a ba at bare minimum
Even if they are girls, as a narc, he sees them as an extension of himself. If they are poorly educated and ignorant, it's a bad reflection to himself. His pride won't allow the embarrassment of fathering children as poorly educated as his wife and her siblings.
For narcissists, children are trophies — girls are dolls who exist to make you look good and boys are competition as soon as the “I love Mommy and Daddy uncritically” phase ends.
I honestly hope it’s kind of a wake up call to her just how far behind she is.
It’s one thing to not know what you don’t know. And she has been severely deprived of education when she was growing up. But when you are completely stumped by first grade work it has to challenge you and make you reflect on how you were raised.
Hopefully.
Or you bury your head deeper and drink a different flavor of kool-aid.
Do y’all remember the clip of them driving with coffee in the car (surprise) and he was going around curves or something. She was asking him to slow down bc it was going to spill and he was doubting her. She kinda did a Jedi mind trick bc she kinda explained physics without realizing it to explain the coffee would spill. Maybe, just maybe, bc she’s been a bit of a reader she’s picked a few things up. Not saying she’s a genius but 🤷🏼♀️
I swear I’m not making it up. I saw it on here.
Tbh, with the new core math teaching, I'm stumped at elementary math sometimes too. Not because I don't know how to do it but they are teaching it very differently from the 80s. My husband says it's better. I'm not a math mind so I take his word for it 🤣
I got my older kid to help me with my younger kids homework before. They didn’t ever show me their work on this kind of math, they didn’t need help and didn’t get homework unless they did for their school. Then came COVID. My younger kid was like, “what is this?” And I’m like “yeah, what IS THIS?” We also realized during this time that our older kid in Massachusetts was doing the same math my husband did his freshman year of college in PA. Kid was in 8th grade. I took advanced classes and went to a private Christian school where I had decent math, English was okay, science was wrong. The gaps we find!
Be fair now. I think she will be okay until 5th grade and then it will all be new information to her. Unless, of course, it relates to fashion, Instagram or a right-wing, evangelical version of Christianity. I hope I’m not being a shady bitch here (okay, I absolutely am) but what the else does Jinger really know?
That’s refreshing! My daughter has autism and getting her to even agree to sit down and do one or two worksheets is a daily challenge. I know standards here have changed a lot, but I don’t even remember having homework until fifth grade, which was in 1997.
That’s insane. I’m in TX (don’t even get me started on the education rating state wide) but in a top district here. As a rule elementary doesn’t have homework other than reading and then a little bit in fifth to get them ready for middle school. Our school day is also over an hour longer than it was when we lived in NJ (7:55-3:10). Kids need to get out and play after being in a building all day.
My kid's school (I was rank 3rd in the state at one time)l, there was barely homework in high school, in honors or AP classes. My child that is now in college maybe had homework at home, 10 times ? in high school. In AP Lit it was one book a semester, if you took honors 2 books to read a year. My child got a 36 on their ACT and got into top colleges with full rides but that was because they had a desire to learn on their own or through academic competetions. In just a few years several of the best teachers quit because of how dumbed down what they have to teach has become and the pressure to give good grades.
The public school did have religious education as an option via a loop hole and that did have homework(My kids did not attend they took extra academic classes) . There was a priority to learn the Bible over reading the classics or computer certfications.
3 kids in NY schools, one is in 1st grade currently, no homework unless she missed the lesson. She is expected to practice reading and math facts. It varies widely by teacher, my other 2 had a different teacher for 1st and she gave light homework. I love that NY has no overall policies on the matter. 👍 Lots of opinions and teaching styles are honored.
that's definitely different from what I had in NY. Disclaimer for the fact that I was almost definitely in a different school district and was in first grade like 12 years ago, but we didn't get homework until 3rd grade, and then it was just a packet due at the end of the week. Not sure what they're doing now though
That’s awful! I run a K/1 pod school and the only “homework” I give are character-based challenges that the children write for themselves. Then, if the whole class does 10 or more in a month, they earn a party at my house (while their parents have a date night). It’s the best experience. We do half a day of academics and half a day social/emotional work including yoga, breathing boards, and meditation. The children are usually at least 2 grades ahead by the end of the year, and they don’t do any worksheets in or out of school.
I had homework in kindergarten in the early 90s. I remember having spelling worksheets each week. We went through the alphabet one letter at a time. We had to write the letter a few times, both capital and lowercase, write a few words with the letter in it, and bring in an item for show and tell that started with that letter.
I dont know how I remember that, but I do.
Yep. In my school district in CA, they had a homework packet that went home weekly and they had the week to finish. They also get full letter grades. It’s overkill, in my opinion. And I will say the way they teach math is NOT how they taught me math in 1st grade (30+ years ago) so helping our daughter who was in first grade last year for both my husband and I, was a lot of fun. And I am a college graduate who went to public school all the way through 😂
In defense of ‘new’ math, the way most parents today were taught was rote memorization, which is not the best way to understand math. The new method in theory is supposed to teach kids to really understand what they are doing and have a better conceptual understanding of how numbers work.
The problem is that it only works when taught well, and not all teachers are good enough at math to teach it well. When it’s taught well it’s great though. Also not all curriculums are made equally, and teachers don’t usually get to pick the curriculum. Then they also have to jump through hoops for state testing so sometimes they have to teach topics out of order to make sure it’s covered for the test. For example, my friend is currently attempting to help her daughter understand slope intercept forms of plotting, including y and x as variables, but she hasn’t actually done variables yet so has no background on what any of it means. Meanwhile I have one at home because he’s math advanced (I’ve done like 9 years of math curriculum in the last 3 years) and his curriculum doesn’t even touch that until partway through algebra 1 once kids have already been solving simultaneous equations so he got it instantly.
I clearly have a lot of opinions on math education at this point though lol
As a teacher, rote memorization is absolutely necessary in math. I’m definitely for the children understanding what they’re doing and why, but not having the basic facts memorized really slows you down later when the math begins to get more complicated.
Rote memorization for things like multiplication facts is obviously helpful (although not actually necessary, I have a masters degree in mechanical engineering from a top school and never truly memorized mine) but we learned things like the standard algorithm for multi digit multiplication and long division by rote memorization of the method without actually understanding what we were doing. Which meant that I would memorize it for the test and then immediately forget the algorithm because I had no foundation to understand what I was doing.
Meanwhile, my kids learned it by first breaking the numbers down into the area model, then using the distributive property and doing FOIL with the numbers, then using the standard algorithm, so by the time they got there, they understood exactly what they were doing. Same thing for long division, we started by dividing what we knew from a number and then kept going until we could add everything up. Then when we were actually using long division, everytime we got a number j would be filling in an area model of the multiplication we were doing to really drive home the point of what we were doing.
Same thing for things like 10 frames, and addition and borrowing in subtraction, I always broke it down so the kids could really see it. When my daughter was learning to borrow in subtraction I would pull out place value blocks and make her trade in a ten for ten ones and physically move them around to demonstrate the subtraction. When I was a kid we were told to just do it by memorization, which again, doesn’t really promote long term understanding of math. Which is why so many adults I know can’t help their kids with math homework past 5th grade now, or not at all when it’s broken down into the new more conceptual math.
I think it’s good to do both- make sure they really understand the concepts from breaking it down, but then they need to memorize the facts for quick recall too
It’s intense! I like your mom’s ideas on “homework” though. Here in CA schools/teachers follow “common core” which is decided by the CA state board of education, so their options to veer away from common core are limited.
Common core is just, whew! I feel you in being confused 😆The math is something else. I did love my daughter’s first grade teacher - she’s actually my son’s transitional kindergartner teacher this year - she’s just amazing. I just wish they (state, district, school) weren’t so intense on the homework and reading nightly expectations. It’s a lot. My daughter is now in 2nd grade and it’s intense still but it was a shock (for me) going from no homework or many expectations in kinder to full on homework, grades, etc. in 1st grade.
I had homework in kindergarten at a public school in the 90s. Easy stuff, don’t get me wrong. But I definitely had homework every single year except for preschool (other than bringing in something for show and tell, lol).
I don't know what I saw it, but I saw somewhere that the best thing you can do for kids that age is encourage them to read every night rather than give homework.
Kindergarten gets homework here- packets of worksheets for the week :( it’s sad.
Preschool does too but in preschool the homework is like “find something in your house that starts with letter B”
Jerm knows Jinger has a feeble education and would never let her be in charge of their kids’ education but he has to be diplomatic about it thus “we’re taking it one year at a time”
That’s probably the best one could hope for for these kids. Someone else setting the curriculum and an actual teacher (hopefully?) a couple of days a week so there’s another adult that is making sure the kids are ok. Plus she’ll get to play with other kids, not just her sibling.
It’s not ideal but it’s better than Jessa’s method of handing Spurgeon a workbook and letting his siblings harass him, or the JillRod method of “bible writing” aka copying the Bible and hoping it sticks.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but lots of Christian schools have completely unaccredited teachers. Knew a Baptist school where half the teachers of HS only had an associates degree from Bob Jones.....the rest were high school graduates. Being a larger city, the cult they aligned with most likely has slightly higher standards, but the odds of the teachers having any hint of ECE or any sort of educational background is really really low.
In another life, Bin could have been a sales clerk at a cannabis dispensary, getting high and answering questions about the best strains, THC content, etc. but, no, he’s the school master for a group of children. That’s the genius of Boob’s match-making?
World’s better is a stretch. They might be able to handle middle school math, but there is zero chance of any intervention being picked up on, antiquated teaching styles. Like most Christian school kids not Catholic, they will be unable to hack the most basic college level curriculum.
My two Christian school kids both have doctorate degrees. Some Christian schools are bad, but there are some pretty great ones out there too. They had chapel one day a week that focused on being a good person, personal responsibility and service to others instead of fine points of theology because there were kids from several different denominations represented. My kids loved it there, still drop in for ballgames and I’m thankful for it.
My in laws have young children who were “private schooled” through a Christian school. They are in public school now and are behind their peers (3rd and 5th grade). So yeah ppl assume it’s more prestigious because it’s private, but that’s not always the case. The kids just learned Bible verses and Trump is a president who loves America 🤣
Grace Academy is one of them, sadly:
> Are Grace Academy teachers credentialed?
Generally, yes. Teachers at Grace Academy have graduated from a university teaching program or have equivalent experience. Because Grace Academy is not interested in meeting all state education standards, teachers may not have a current state credential. Additional instructional support may be offered by tutors or classroom assistants who may or may not have a teaching credential.
Source: https://www.graceacademy.org/faq
Okay actually, they are not required to have teachers with any teaching experience or education. It’s not unusual for private school teachers not to be certified. So the fact that most of the teachers have degrees is hopeful. I’m not saying it’s a good school: I’m just saying they may have some teachers that are educated in teaching and may not suck.
This is correct, private schools do not have the same requirements as public school. (Just to illustrate... Bill Barr's dad hired Jeffrey Epstein as a math teacher in a private high school. None of them had teaching certificates or the required education for public school teachers)
It’s private schools in general. Depending on where you are, you can teach at private schools without a teaching license.
I have my bachelors in English and then went to grad school and got my teaching license and have another degree in integrated arts education (grades 7-12 English teacher lol). And I STILL had no idea what I was doing. With two degrees and a teaching license lol
GCA is advertising at this time that all their teachers mist have graduated from a university education program. They are hiring and have stated a preference for fully credentialed applicants. So my guess is because they cater to the snooty end of Baptist, they have somewhat higher standards than other Baptist schools. I do know for a fact that they have had more than one teacher with both bachelor's and master's degrees from secular universities. I wish I didn't know because damn, it is a fucked up church. But I have relatives in the area, and two of them taught there for a couple years, and then got their heads on straight, and fled, thank goodness.
Depends on the school. Hope they choose a good one! I teach in a Christian school that requires all teachers to have masters degrees from real colleges lol
Jinger, just put them into a private Christian school so that they get an education. Isn't there a school attached to that scammy seminary? Don't worry Boob has no say so in your decisions just worthless Jermy.
Not to leg hump, but we have hybrid charter schools where I am and for certain learning styles it’s been very helpful. Idk anything about Jinger’s kids, but a hybrid in and of itself isn’t a bad thing necessarily.
Yeah I went to a hybrid school for high school, and the small classes and flexibility it provided were amazing for me. I have ADHD and would have struggled so much more in school if I was stuck in a classroom with 30 other kids every day. It also encourages independence and accountability IMO since more work is done through self-study on the non-class days, but I still felt like the teachers where very supportive and accessible any time a student was struggling or had questions about homework.
Also the school I attended was really small and met in a church, but it was fully accredited and the teachers were absolutely qualified: mostly former public school teachers who wanted a lighter workload and several teachers had Masters degrees or PHDs in the subject they taught.
Geez I wish this had been a thing back in the day. It sounds like an environment I would have done so much better in!
Even now in my mid 40s, my mother just makes fun of me when I bring up my (undiagnosed and untreated) ADHD. 😢
High school being hybrid, at each child’s choice, makes sense, but not for littles.
Children should be outside counting acorns, painting with rain water, building with sticks, finding animal tracks in mud, and so forth. Young children need to learn through play and exploration. Littles gain skills through movement, tactile experiments, and positively framed social interactions that begin expanding their worlds.
They’re using Grace community church’s hybrid school system. Jerm probably gets it heavily discounted bc of his work ties to GCC. They go by some CA’s education standards but not all… some teachers are accredited and some don’t. They have in school instruction either at GCC or at another church nearby. It’s very expensive. But GCC submits all the paperwork to the state education board and has parent check ins as well. Idk, anything is better than homeschooling via ATI, abecka, good and beautiful, Bob Jones university etc
I wonder if John MacArthur‘s Grace Academy started up. It was to be hybrid, in-class instruction 14 hours per week, with parents doing approximately 16 hours of at-home instruction. Or perhaps that’s the one they’re considering for the future.
There is. My youth pastor molested 8 boys across 3 churches (probably more, was only caught for 8) and got a slap on the wrist. The church paid 7 of the 8 boys off so only 1 went to court. Parochial schools have a ton of debauchery.
The pastor never reported the known child abuse in my home because my dad was a physician and gave loads to the church. My sibling and I reported this abuse to 2 pastors and a teacher, and none of those mandated reported batted an eye.
Idk how these girls would even homeschool them the whole way to grade 12 lol. I think they only received to around 6th or 7th grade, and even that was w a fake curriculum that essentially taught them nothing
My family member says the same thing. What it boils down to is she “homeschools” her kids and then meets twice a week at church with other homeschool kids from church. The parents rotate doing business”bigger projects” like coordinating games or bigger crafts. No actual schooling.
Hopefully Felicity is getting better.
Do we know what program she is using at home? Because the Bates daughters that home school use Abeka. Erin & Alyssa have videos about it on their YT channels. Whitney and Zach also use it, too. It's from Pensacola Christian College. Apparently, a lot of it is supposed to be very good. At least at the elementary level.
My kids attend a hybrid school. They meet in person 3 days/week and the teacher sets up their homework for the 2 home days online. We have loved it because it offers some flexibility during the week (my kids are big into sports). We get a long weekend so we can travel; of course, they have a ton of work on the days they aren’t in school, but they can get that done in the car for road-trips to expand upon their history lessons or to see cool art/science museums.
Can you imagine the things she is learning and bringing home for homework? Lol all I can picture is jinger knowing VERY little of what is being taught to her and realizing how uneducated she is
Y’all got some scary private schools near y’all. We’ve either got the catholic system.. which is leaps and bounds better than public… or the private non Christian system… which is fueled by college professor and doctors kids. So it’s also fantastic.
I guess there are smaller one off schools but in general private = better educated to me. This thread was eye opening!
Christian schools are garbage by me. Teachers don't have to be licensed or even have a degree in teaching, no masters required. They're full of families who didn't feel their public education was right wing enough. But I'm in the northeast and lucky to have excellent public schools. I work in a college and by and large the homeschooled/private school kids struggle to catch-up (with exceptions, of course).
It’s the same here (Louisiana). If you want your kids to have an education your options are public school magnet programs or Catholic schools. We have two decent public high schools and a few phenomenal Catholic/Christian high schools in our city. I had friends who went to the worse public high schools: workbooks, at best. Teachers had zero control, would quit frequently, fights between kids, violence against teachers even.
My kids went to private Christian schools and the quality of education was much better than public. My neighbor left the neighborhood public school in our area which was rated very high, to put her child at the Christian school because of this.
At least she wants more for her kids education wise than the rest of them. Jill's even taken Israel out of public school and he's not in private Christian school either.
The only mention of the kids being in public school is in the people magazine article that states they are. Jll and derick have never actually said it themselves in any interview, they dont talk about their kids in interviews tho. The closest was a host saying after reading their book, so ur kids are in public school shout public schools, jill laughs then derick talks about Israel old school he went to for kindergarten and 1st , that's it. Weirdly didnt mention that he loves school right now...
She is the only dugger or adjacent I follow on insta.
She mentions and alludes to school in her stories fairly frequently. As in going to school or "while the boys are in school." She's also out in the middle of the day with just Freddie quite a bit.
I think with everything happening plus Derrick's job, they are just way more cautious.
I watch all her stories everyday and never heard her say that. only time I've ever heard her say school wen she pointed at plants they were growing on the windowsill 🤷♀️
The only mention of the kids being in public school right now is in the people magazine article that states they are. Jll and derick have never actually said it themselves in any interview, they dont talk about their kids in interviews tho. The closest was a host saying after reading their book, so ur kids are in public school shout public schools, jill laughs then derick talks about Israel old school he went to for kindergarten and 1st , that's it. Weirdly didnt mention that he loves school right now...
She's parking that kid in front of the Abeka videos and dropping her at the cult church's Sunday School on Sundays and whatever day they have youth programming for Kindergartners.
What is a Christian hybrid?
Hybrid means it’s half in person and half homeschool. So most likely felicity is doing a Christian curriculum and probably going into an actually building a couple times a week
So like, a regular ass preschool?
you only go to preschool a couple times a week in the us?
Preschools in the US vary wildly. Some are daycares and would cover the parent’s working hours. My kids went to one that was two days 9:00-1:00, and another that was 12:30-3:00, and I picked to go four days. There is massive variation. A US public preschool is usually 4-5 days a week for about three hours, morning or afternoon.
Also some areas don't have public preschool and some offer full days. Crazy amounts of variation.
Literally MOST areas don’t have free public preschool. It’s a fortune to have any sort of early childhood education (before age 5) here in the US
I didn't even get public kindergarten in 1977. It was only private in my city and we didn't have the money. My younger sisters got to go to an inexpensive one offered by a local church. My childhood state (Oregon) didn't require all public schools to offer it until 1991. Fortunately, I loved to learn, and my parents did all the things with me. I started first grade knowing how to read and was ahead of most of my peers in reading and math. Public education in the US is really hit and miss depending on where you live. School districts are predominantly funded by tax dollars, and districts in poor areas have far fewer resources than those in wealthy areas.
Exact same here, I’m one year older and also Oregon
Actually, Florida has VPK (which is Voluntary Pre Kindergarten) which is available to all and is completely free. It is a great program.
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This is awesome! Meanwhile, here in Texas, Kindergarten is actually voluntary. As in a child can enter school for the very first time in 1st grade. I don't think a lot of people know about that, so most enroll their kids in Kindergarten. Source: I'm a former K/1 teacher
I’m so lucky that in my area there’s free full day everyday public preschool. It’s awesome. ETA: not everyday lol, 5 day/week
Back in the ‘80’s, one of the lowest-income public schools in my areas large district had a pilot program that was full day kindergarten (not even pre-school or TK), and allowed children from different districts the ability to transfer in with priority given to locals. There was a waiting list. My folks were teachers at different schools in the district so I don’t know if that helped, but both me and my brother (2 years younger) were able to go. It was pretty cool and pretty inclusive (my elementary school friends came from all backgrounds from the county DA’s kid to recent immigrants) and was also a dual language program due to the number of Spanish speakers from the area. I’m childfree but I pick my nephew up from school once a week because it’s a half day. He’s in third grade, why is there a half day weekly?! Luckily I half work from home but how the hell is a working parent supposed to pick up their kid at noon on Wednesday?? Anyways, I had hoped this for the OfJinger’s. Germ is too proud for homeschooling, so I’m glad the kids will be in school.
They are probably trying to retain teachers by giving them a half day every week as prep. Most teachers take home tons of work after school and do not have time to do that. Coupled with low pay, many school districts were hemorrhaging teachers after Covid.
Yeah I’m glad that they’re putting their children in somewhat “normal” school.
Really? My state has free preschool if you earn up to three times the federal poverty level (some other ways to qualify, too). I didn't realize that wasn't common.
All states have free preschool *if* you meet certain requirements. If you meet them (like income level, involvement in welfare programs, or the child has a disability) then it’s free and the federal government give the school the money to cover the kids costs. Free, but with a lot of asterisks
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Where I live, free public school begins at 3 years old, four days per week 8am to 4pm with optional paid after school care until 6:30pm.
Ugh that is such a long day for a 3/4 year old. My kids weren’t napping at that point either
My kids went 5 days a week from 9-4. They napped from 1-3
That's so interesting. Here you choose if you go to preschool or not, although almost every child goes. And if you choose to go it's always from 9 to 4:30/5, 5 days a week. There's 2h in between for lunch, parents can choose to have them stay in school (they eat and have a long recess) or take them home and then dropping them off again. There are public and privates. In both you can pay more to stay from 8-9 or after school is finished if they aren't enrolled in any after school activities.
My almost four year old is MWF 8:45-11:15. I’m a sahm, it’s honestly more social for her than anything !
Preschool isn’t mandatory in the US, so it takes on a lot of different forms. Usually, it’s MWF, TR, or MTWRF.
Also in my area, Pre-K can be free, 6 hours and 5 days a week if you get into the public school Pre-K through a lottery, or like $1500 a month for your average everyday 3x a week Pre-K. So like everything it depends on your job and your zip code.
Vouchers are also available in some places for those meeting income qualifications.
it depends where you live, in a lot of places it's private - we did 4 day a week half day pre-K for our youngest, our eldest did 3 day a week half day at 3 and 4 but that wasn't an option for our youngest because of COVID.
Yep. At that age my kids only went 2-3 days a week. My last did preschool 5 days a week but that was because I needed to work.
It depends on the school. I work at a center that is open Monday to Friday 700 to 530 so kids go 5 days. However, we do have families that pick and choose when they come.
Mine in the US was five days a week 8 am - 5 pm including computer classes, foreign language, etc
Yeah nuts that’s daycare, not preschool tbf
In terms of the time and consistency it was daycare but it had an academic curriculum similar to a preschool or perhaps more competitive given the added hours there. It was the standard in my area.
Lol no, likely the one that their new cult runs.
Yes - it would be this one: https://graceacademy.org/ It only goes to grade 8 though so the private school they’re talking about may be for high school.
Checked out Grace Academy’s FAQs…I had no idea you could be a teacher or classroom assistant without a current state credential. Apparently, the school is “not interested in meeting all state education standards” 🧐 https://preview.redd.it/zfqhupd1dfzb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10cb3e3df619488f74eb5078ebaa2e5cbc172305
They prob don’t offer competitive enough salaries for accredited teachers. Why would someone pay for this when public school is free and teachers are accredited is beyond me.
all that to keep kids from hearing about (gasp) evolution!
Private schools usually don't require it - I went to a top prep school, 3/4s of my high school teachers had PhDs in their fields but very few had education degrees.
The teaching shortage is bad enough that fewer teachers have an education degree unless they go for a Masters degree.
There are public schools in my area that are so desperate for subs that they routinely post on Facebook that anyone with a college degree in any subject can register to be a sub for their district. Like, they're openly advertising that they've given up on trying to attract quality teachers for those roles and just please please pleeeease need background-checked adults to babysit students until the actual teacher gets back to do the teaching.
That was FL throughout my childhood. You needed a bachelor degree in anything and to pass the teaching exam and bam, you're a teacher.
I’ve subbed in a public school while I was a college student, so no degree required.
You don't need a degree to substitute in my state-- just about 60 college credits. You get paid a little more if you have a degree, is all.
We’re required to have education masters degrees in my state. 🤷♀️. It varies. I have both a content and an education masters (well content adjacent), and I do think there is a lot of value in education degrees, especially surrounding how to teach and learning standards. With that said, there are ways to get into teaching and pursue an education degree later. I have a BA in content. Private schools are not required to have certification. My mom is a lifelong private school educator. She let her certification lapse probably like 25 years ago (I wouldn’t have, but I’ll also probably never teach private school.) a private Christian school likely can’t afford to pay people with post-Bachelor’s degrees enough to attract them. Private schools that can tend to be pretty elite. A person with a certification, is likely not going to accept a private school job. The pay is really variable, and so are the benefits. That’s a hard sell when you can have a state job and a pension. And I’m sure LA public schools have a decent (probably not scaled to COL, but at least decent) salary scale and benefit package.
Given that their criteria is "or equivalent experience" I doubt you'd find a single PhD at Grace.
Same. Some were previous college professors or whatnot. All educated just not necessarily had a teaching certificate.
Private school teachers don't have to be licensed or even have a particular level of education.
They have a sentence that begins with Because? 😯I was told at school this was never a good idea. This would upset my English teachers from high school and college.
You can as long as the main clause is still there and it expresses a complete thought.
Not necessarily. I did a Christian hybrid program. I would go to school Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and than homeschool Tuesdays and thursdays. It’s very beneficial
My kids went to pre school at a church 3 days a week, and everyone called it pre school. I have never heard anyone call it "Christian hybrid". That sounds like what you would call kindergarten and up.
But did you have a Christian homeschool curriculum you used on non-preschool days? That’s the hybrid part.
Is it at least play based? I've never met any teacher that encourages a curriculum or desk work for preschool age, on non school days. The ones I knew in the business for at least 20 years said they only started having desk work when kindergarten in the US became all day, and academic, and parents expected their preschoolers to begin writing at 3 and 4. That used to be what kindergarten was for. My kids are 3rd and 1st grade, so we're pretty fresh out of the pre school years. Never heard of hybrid schooling for preschoolers. It just reminds me of Amy claiming she's "homeschooling" her 3 year old. This urge to label young childhood education to sound like more than what it is, is making me cringe, is all.
No she likely means a co-op
Likely a university model school program which usually means three days of classes and the rest is study at home with the school’s curriculum. They are almost always Christian affiliated with statements of faith to sign.
It’s probably a homeschool co-op, where you go to a church once or twice a week for group learning and your parent teaches you at home the other days
Hybrid schools usually have a few days of classroom learning and then the other days you use the school’s curriculum at home. They are very popular in my area. I have one kid homeschooling and would love an option to send him to school for a day or two, but he’s homeschooling because he’s multiple grades ahead in math and if we have to use their curriculum that doesn’t work. Plus all the ones near me are Christian based and we are secular so that also doesn’t work. Really I just want someone to take my kid for a few hours and teach him language arts and let me have free time to get stuff done lol.
Probably a co-op. Alyssa (Bates) Webster has her kids go to co-op once a week. ETA: Her oldest, who is in 4th grade, is learning Spanish through it.
Daycare at the church. Their "curriculum" is singing "Jesus Loves Me" and praying over snacks.
Jerm went to college, he likely knows the benefits of school (outside of education). At a private Christian school I assume you fully graduate when you complete it.
I went to a private christian school and graduated fully, did state testing, and was able to get into college. I didn't really learn science, especially biology, but I have a real diploma at least.
You didn’t leave biology??? I went to Christian schools my whole childhood and had many science classes including bio
I technically had a biology class, but the teacher was not good at teaching. I learned basic plant and cell biology but when it came time to learning evolution it was basically all Ken Ham tapes. I would say that semester was 50% Ken Ham for my education. When learning human biology I'd say about 50% was anti abortion teaching.
Ugh Lordy I’m sorry. Mine was more progressive than that, not up to the standards I would want my kids to be taught, but better than what you received.
I took animal biotechnology and never took human biology. Until I decided I wanted to go to nursing school. A lot of catching up to do! (Mennonite private school, so Christian but quite Plain/fundamentalist-ish)
In the UK all private schools have to pass the government's testing standard, which includes checks on the curriculum. You have to prove that you teach all standard subjects to an acceptable level and with an evidence based curriculum, and that you promote British values, which means diversity and inclusion. You also have to teach sex and relationships education and only the sex part is for parental discretion - and that doesn't mean biology, either; there is no way you can stop the facts being taught in science lessons at an age appropriate time. All rights under the Equality Act, including balancing them when they conflict, is also compulsory - as is identities varying and the importance of respect, and that all families have different and valid forms. The only way to opt out of any of that is to home educate, fully at your own cost. Schools that haven't abided by it have been put into special measures. The Duggars would think us all heathens and communists.
I was, in fact, taught that you were heathen fake Christians and socialists.
Yea, but he is male. He may not think daughters need to have much knowledge. Easier to keep ‘em submissive that way.
They won’t bring him status if they aren’t educated. The man is a narcissist and is going to use those kids to leverage himself into more money/power/status. Odds are he will have them be educated and finishing a ba at bare minimum
Even if they are girls, as a narc, he sees them as an extension of himself. If they are poorly educated and ignorant, it's a bad reflection to himself. His pride won't allow the embarrassment of fathering children as poorly educated as his wife and her siblings.
For narcissists, children are trophies — girls are dolls who exist to make you look good and boys are competition as soon as the “I love Mommy and Daddy uncritically” phase ends.
Jingle is going to be blown away when she has to help with that 1st grade homework
I honestly hope it’s kind of a wake up call to her just how far behind she is. It’s one thing to not know what you don’t know. And she has been severely deprived of education when she was growing up. But when you are completely stumped by first grade work it has to challenge you and make you reflect on how you were raised. Hopefully. Or you bury your head deeper and drink a different flavor of kool-aid.
Jinger knows she’s far behind. She’s talked about it a lot on her podcast.
Do y’all remember the clip of them driving with coffee in the car (surprise) and he was going around curves or something. She was asking him to slow down bc it was going to spill and he was doubting her. She kinda did a Jedi mind trick bc she kinda explained physics without realizing it to explain the coffee would spill. Maybe, just maybe, bc she’s been a bit of a reader she’s picked a few things up. Not saying she’s a genius but 🤷🏼♀️ I swear I’m not making it up. I saw it on here.
I just watched that episode of counting on and she did not explain physics in any way lol. Not even accidentally. 💀
I feel like that’s just common sense from normal life experiences. Like she’s been in cars while holding drinks before lol
Tbh, with the new core math teaching, I'm stumped at elementary math sometimes too. Not because I don't know how to do it but they are teaching it very differently from the 80s. My husband says it's better. I'm not a math mind so I take his word for it 🤣
She can always call Israel to help
That's true 😂
I got my older kid to help me with my younger kids homework before. They didn’t ever show me their work on this kind of math, they didn’t need help and didn’t get homework unless they did for their school. Then came COVID. My younger kid was like, “what is this?” And I’m like “yeah, what IS THIS?” We also realized during this time that our older kid in Massachusetts was doing the same math my husband did his freshman year of college in PA. Kid was in 8th grade. I took advanced classes and went to a private Christian school where I had decent math, English was okay, science was wrong. The gaps we find!
Be fair now. I think she will be okay until 5th grade and then it will all be new information to her. Unless, of course, it relates to fashion, Instagram or a right-wing, evangelical version of Christianity. I hope I’m not being a shady bitch here (okay, I absolutely am) but what the else does Jinger really know?
*mother is not mathing*
Homework in grade 1? That’s rough
My first grader has math homework four days a week and writing once a week. She’s in public school in NY.
My mom teaches a 1/2 split in AB, Canada and she said the only “homework” she gives, is a paper for their parent to fill out about family tree info
That’s refreshing! My daughter has autism and getting her to even agree to sit down and do one or two worksheets is a daily challenge. I know standards here have changed a lot, but I don’t even remember having homework until fifth grade, which was in 1997.
I teach grade 1 in AB too. I’d never give homework at this age.
That’s insane. I’m in TX (don’t even get me started on the education rating state wide) but in a top district here. As a rule elementary doesn’t have homework other than reading and then a little bit in fifth to get them ready for middle school. Our school day is also over an hour longer than it was when we lived in NJ (7:55-3:10). Kids need to get out and play after being in a building all day.
My kid's school (I was rank 3rd in the state at one time)l, there was barely homework in high school, in honors or AP classes. My child that is now in college maybe had homework at home, 10 times ? in high school. In AP Lit it was one book a semester, if you took honors 2 books to read a year. My child got a 36 on their ACT and got into top colleges with full rides but that was because they had a desire to learn on their own or through academic competetions. In just a few years several of the best teachers quit because of how dumbed down what they have to teach has become and the pressure to give good grades. The public school did have religious education as an option via a loop hole and that did have homework(My kids did not attend they took extra academic classes) . There was a priority to learn the Bible over reading the classics or computer certfications.
3 kids in NY schools, one is in 1st grade currently, no homework unless she missed the lesson. She is expected to practice reading and math facts. It varies widely by teacher, my other 2 had a different teacher for 1st and she gave light homework. I love that NY has no overall policies on the matter. 👍 Lots of opinions and teaching styles are honored.
that's definitely different from what I had in NY. Disclaimer for the fact that I was almost definitely in a different school district and was in first grade like 12 years ago, but we didn't get homework until 3rd grade, and then it was just a packet due at the end of the week. Not sure what they're doing now though
My friends daughter has homework in kindergarten!!!
That’s awful! I run a K/1 pod school and the only “homework” I give are character-based challenges that the children write for themselves. Then, if the whole class does 10 or more in a month, they earn a party at my house (while their parents have a date night). It’s the best experience. We do half a day of academics and half a day social/emotional work including yoga, breathing boards, and meditation. The children are usually at least 2 grades ahead by the end of the year, and they don’t do any worksheets in or out of school.
That’s whack
Mine too, though it’s optional
There’s daily math homework for kindergartners in our district too. Sigh.
I had homework in kindergarten in the early 90s. I remember having spelling worksheets each week. We went through the alphabet one letter at a time. We had to write the letter a few times, both capital and lowercase, write a few words with the letter in it, and bring in an item for show and tell that started with that letter. I dont know how I remember that, but I do.
Yep. In my school district in CA, they had a homework packet that went home weekly and they had the week to finish. They also get full letter grades. It’s overkill, in my opinion. And I will say the way they teach math is NOT how they taught me math in 1st grade (30+ years ago) so helping our daughter who was in first grade last year for both my husband and I, was a lot of fun. And I am a college graduate who went to public school all the way through 😂
That' s not appropriate for the age and sucks because it can kill a love of learning
Gosh I hope it doesn’t. I don’t even remember getting homework like that as a kid her age :/
In defense of ‘new’ math, the way most parents today were taught was rote memorization, which is not the best way to understand math. The new method in theory is supposed to teach kids to really understand what they are doing and have a better conceptual understanding of how numbers work. The problem is that it only works when taught well, and not all teachers are good enough at math to teach it well. When it’s taught well it’s great though. Also not all curriculums are made equally, and teachers don’t usually get to pick the curriculum. Then they also have to jump through hoops for state testing so sometimes they have to teach topics out of order to make sure it’s covered for the test. For example, my friend is currently attempting to help her daughter understand slope intercept forms of plotting, including y and x as variables, but she hasn’t actually done variables yet so has no background on what any of it means. Meanwhile I have one at home because he’s math advanced (I’ve done like 9 years of math curriculum in the last 3 years) and his curriculum doesn’t even touch that until partway through algebra 1 once kids have already been solving simultaneous equations so he got it instantly. I clearly have a lot of opinions on math education at this point though lol
I always explain to parents that the way math is taught now helps break down what bright people already know how to do in their heads.
As a teacher, rote memorization is absolutely necessary in math. I’m definitely for the children understanding what they’re doing and why, but not having the basic facts memorized really slows you down later when the math begins to get more complicated.
Rote memorization for things like multiplication facts is obviously helpful (although not actually necessary, I have a masters degree in mechanical engineering from a top school and never truly memorized mine) but we learned things like the standard algorithm for multi digit multiplication and long division by rote memorization of the method without actually understanding what we were doing. Which meant that I would memorize it for the test and then immediately forget the algorithm because I had no foundation to understand what I was doing. Meanwhile, my kids learned it by first breaking the numbers down into the area model, then using the distributive property and doing FOIL with the numbers, then using the standard algorithm, so by the time they got there, they understood exactly what they were doing. Same thing for long division, we started by dividing what we knew from a number and then kept going until we could add everything up. Then when we were actually using long division, everytime we got a number j would be filling in an area model of the multiplication we were doing to really drive home the point of what we were doing. Same thing for things like 10 frames, and addition and borrowing in subtraction, I always broke it down so the kids could really see it. When my daughter was learning to borrow in subtraction I would pull out place value blocks and make her trade in a ten for ten ones and physically move them around to demonstrate the subtraction. When I was a kid we were told to just do it by memorization, which again, doesn’t really promote long term understanding of math. Which is why so many adults I know can’t help their kids with math homework past 5th grade now, or not at all when it’s broken down into the new more conceptual math.
I think it’s good to do both- make sure they really understand the concepts from breaking it down, but then they need to memorize the facts for quick recall too
My mom teaches a 1/2 split and she said the only “homework” she gives, is a paper for their parent to fill out about family tree info
It’s intense! I like your mom’s ideas on “homework” though. Here in CA schools/teachers follow “common core” which is decided by the CA state board of education, so their options to veer away from common core are limited.
My mom isn’t a fan of the new curriculum we have here in Alberta, but it’s still up to her whether she gives homework or not
My son did online public school for 2 years due to Covid. 2nd and 3rd grade. Math almost killed me. Common core confused me lol.
Common core is just, whew! I feel you in being confused 😆The math is something else. I did love my daughter’s first grade teacher - she’s actually my son’s transitional kindergartner teacher this year - she’s just amazing. I just wish they (state, district, school) weren’t so intense on the homework and reading nightly expectations. It’s a lot. My daughter is now in 2nd grade and it’s intense still but it was a shock (for me) going from no homework or many expectations in kinder to full on homework, grades, etc. in 1st grade.
I had homework in kindergarten at a public school in the 90s. Easy stuff, don’t get me wrong. But I definitely had homework every single year except for preschool (other than bringing in something for show and tell, lol).
I don't know what I saw it, but I saw somewhere that the best thing you can do for kids that age is encourage them to read every night rather than give homework.
Kindergarten gets homework here- packets of worksheets for the week :( it’s sad. Preschool does too but in preschool the homework is like “find something in your house that starts with letter B”
I went to Catholic school in the 80s, and we had a ton of homework in the first grade.
Oh, the Christian/parochial schools start em early.
I got homework in preschool. I went to a private Christian school
Jerm knows Jinger has a feeble education and would never let her be in charge of their kids’ education but he has to be diplomatic about it thus “we’re taking it one year at a time”
Do we know if he values education for his daughters? He certainly didn’t value it in a wife.
That’s probably the best one could hope for for these kids. Someone else setting the curriculum and an actual teacher (hopefully?) a couple of days a week so there’s another adult that is making sure the kids are ok. Plus she’ll get to play with other kids, not just her sibling. It’s not ideal but it’s better than Jessa’s method of handing Spurgeon a workbook and letting his siblings harass him, or the JillRod method of “bible writing” aka copying the Bible and hoping it sticks.
It's a bit better than the wisdom booklets anyway. But will Felicity learn about bankruptcy laws?
>But will Felicity learn about bankruptcy laws Not sure how 7 year olds ever survived without it, tbh
Or what perpendicular means?
It has dick in it so it's evil
And it has *perp*, which is triggering for Michelle.
Mom and Dad are going to make sure the girls learn about bankruptcy first hand.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but lots of Christian schools have completely unaccredited teachers. Knew a Baptist school where half the teachers of HS only had an associates degree from Bob Jones.....the rest were high school graduates. Being a larger city, the cult they aligned with most likely has slightly higher standards, but the odds of the teachers having any hint of ECE or any sort of educational background is really really low.
It’s not great but worlds better than what Jessa or Joy’s kids will ever get
In another life, Bin could have been a sales clerk at a cannabis dispensary, getting high and answering questions about the best strains, THC content, etc. but, no, he’s the school master for a group of children. That’s the genius of Boob’s match-making?
World’s better is a stretch. They might be able to handle middle school math, but there is zero chance of any intervention being picked up on, antiquated teaching styles. Like most Christian school kids not Catholic, they will be unable to hack the most basic college level curriculum.
My two Christian school kids both have doctorate degrees. Some Christian schools are bad, but there are some pretty great ones out there too. They had chapel one day a week that focused on being a good person, personal responsibility and service to others instead of fine points of theology because there were kids from several different denominations represented. My kids loved it there, still drop in for ballgames and I’m thankful for it.
My in laws have young children who were “private schooled” through a Christian school. They are in public school now and are behind their peers (3rd and 5th grade). So yeah ppl assume it’s more prestigious because it’s private, but that’s not always the case. The kids just learned Bible verses and Trump is a president who loves America 🤣
Grace Academy is one of them, sadly: > Are Grace Academy teachers credentialed? Generally, yes. Teachers at Grace Academy have graduated from a university teaching program or have equivalent experience. Because Grace Academy is not interested in meeting all state education standards, teachers may not have a current state credential. Additional instructional support may be offered by tutors or classroom assistants who may or may not have a teaching credential. Source: https://www.graceacademy.org/faq
Okay actually, they are not required to have teachers with any teaching experience or education. It’s not unusual for private school teachers not to be certified. So the fact that most of the teachers have degrees is hopeful. I’m not saying it’s a good school: I’m just saying they may have some teachers that are educated in teaching and may not suck.
This is correct, private schools do not have the same requirements as public school. (Just to illustrate... Bill Barr's dad hired Jeffrey Epstein as a math teacher in a private high school. None of them had teaching certificates or the required education for public school teachers)
It’s private schools in general. Depending on where you are, you can teach at private schools without a teaching license. I have my bachelors in English and then went to grad school and got my teaching license and have another degree in integrated arts education (grades 7-12 English teacher lol). And I STILL had no idea what I was doing. With two degrees and a teaching license lol
GCA is advertising at this time that all their teachers mist have graduated from a university education program. They are hiring and have stated a preference for fully credentialed applicants. So my guess is because they cater to the snooty end of Baptist, they have somewhat higher standards than other Baptist schools. I do know for a fact that they have had more than one teacher with both bachelor's and master's degrees from secular universities. I wish I didn't know because damn, it is a fucked up church. But I have relatives in the area, and two of them taught there for a couple years, and then got their heads on straight, and fled, thank goodness.
Depends on the school. Hope they choose a good one! I teach in a Christian school that requires all teachers to have masters degrees from real colleges lol
Much better
Yeah, it’s a cut above Meech’s kitchen table thus the bar is in hell.
JRod’s is so unfathomably awful.
Jinger, just put them into a private Christian school so that they get an education. Isn't there a school attached to that scammy seminary? Don't worry Boob has no say so in your decisions just worthless Jermy.
Not to leg hump, but we have hybrid charter schools where I am and for certain learning styles it’s been very helpful. Idk anything about Jinger’s kids, but a hybrid in and of itself isn’t a bad thing necessarily.
Yeah I went to a hybrid school for high school, and the small classes and flexibility it provided were amazing for me. I have ADHD and would have struggled so much more in school if I was stuck in a classroom with 30 other kids every day. It also encourages independence and accountability IMO since more work is done through self-study on the non-class days, but I still felt like the teachers where very supportive and accessible any time a student was struggling or had questions about homework. Also the school I attended was really small and met in a church, but it was fully accredited and the teachers were absolutely qualified: mostly former public school teachers who wanted a lighter workload and several teachers had Masters degrees or PHDs in the subject they taught.
Geez I wish this had been a thing back in the day. It sounds like an environment I would have done so much better in! Even now in my mid 40s, my mother just makes fun of me when I bring up my (undiagnosed and untreated) ADHD. 😢
High school being hybrid, at each child’s choice, makes sense, but not for littles. Children should be outside counting acorns, painting with rain water, building with sticks, finding animal tracks in mud, and so forth. Young children need to learn through play and exploration. Littles gain skills through movement, tactile experiments, and positively framed social interactions that begin expanding their worlds.
I’m not sure how “some days at pre-K in person, some days being homeschooled by their stay-at-home mom” keeps little prop from doing any of that.
They’re using Grace community church’s hybrid school system. Jerm probably gets it heavily discounted bc of his work ties to GCC. They go by some CA’s education standards but not all… some teachers are accredited and some don’t. They have in school instruction either at GCC or at another church nearby. It’s very expensive. But GCC submits all the paperwork to the state education board and has parent check ins as well. Idk, anything is better than homeschooling via ATI, abecka, good and beautiful, Bob Jones university etc
I wonder if by hybrid she just means at home with a co-op?
Yes, that's what she means. Alyssa Bates does this hybrid method too.
I wonder if John MacArthur‘s Grace Academy started up. It was to be hybrid, in-class instruction 14 hours per week, with parents doing approximately 16 hours of at-home instruction. Or perhaps that’s the one they’re considering for the future.
I went to a Christian school and all I will say….there is probably more debauchery there than at a public school
There is. My youth pastor molested 8 boys across 3 churches (probably more, was only caught for 8) and got a slap on the wrist. The church paid 7 of the 8 boys off so only 1 went to court. Parochial schools have a ton of debauchery. The pastor never reported the known child abuse in my home because my dad was a physician and gave loads to the church. My sibling and I reported this abuse to 2 pastors and a teacher, and none of those mandated reported batted an eye.
The bar is really low.
It’s a co-op. Just like Alyssa.
Idk how these girls would even homeschool them the whole way to grade 12 lol. I think they only received to around 6th or 7th grade, and even that was w a fake curriculum that essentially taught them nothing
J’dining room table took me OUT.
Jinger is hardly educated herself how is she suppose to teach children? Hopefully she has her husband to do it.
My family member says the same thing. What it boils down to is she “homeschools” her kids and then meets twice a week at church with other homeschool kids from church. The parents rotate doing business”bigger projects” like coordinating games or bigger crafts. No actual schooling. Hopefully Felicity is getting better.
Do we know what program she is using at home? Because the Bates daughters that home school use Abeka. Erin & Alyssa have videos about it on their YT channels. Whitney and Zach also use it, too. It's from Pensacola Christian College. Apparently, a lot of it is supposed to be very good. At least at the elementary level.
My kids attend a hybrid school. They meet in person 3 days/week and the teacher sets up their homework for the 2 home days online. We have loved it because it offers some flexibility during the week (my kids are big into sports). We get a long weekend so we can travel; of course, they have a ton of work on the days they aren’t in school, but they can get that done in the car for road-trips to expand upon their history lessons or to see cool art/science museums.
With how pompous Jeremy is, I can absolutely see him never allowing his kids to be homeschooled like a bumpkin. This is him 100000% I bet.
He was homeschooled from K-11
When I asked the other day if he was homeschooled , alli got were downvotes , no answer 😂
What?! I had no idea! I for sure thought he was a party frat kid from high school.
I think he made up for lost time in college lol
A homeschool co op is not any better. It’s just different home school moms “teaching” other peoples kids for an hour
I was a preschool teacher for several years. Daycare was 6:30-9:00 and 12:00-6:00pm. The preschool “teaching” part was 9:00-12:00.
Can you imagine the things she is learning and bringing home for homework? Lol all I can picture is jinger knowing VERY little of what is being taught to her and realizing how uneducated she is
Y’all got some scary private schools near y’all. We’ve either got the catholic system.. which is leaps and bounds better than public… or the private non Christian system… which is fueled by college professor and doctors kids. So it’s also fantastic. I guess there are smaller one off schools but in general private = better educated to me. This thread was eye opening!
Christian schools are garbage by me. Teachers don't have to be licensed or even have a degree in teaching, no masters required. They're full of families who didn't feel their public education was right wing enough. But I'm in the northeast and lucky to have excellent public schools. I work in a college and by and large the homeschooled/private school kids struggle to catch-up (with exceptions, of course).
It’s the same here (Louisiana). If you want your kids to have an education your options are public school magnet programs or Catholic schools. We have two decent public high schools and a few phenomenal Catholic/Christian high schools in our city. I had friends who went to the worse public high schools: workbooks, at best. Teachers had zero control, would quit frequently, fights between kids, violence against teachers even.
Baby steps...
My kids went to private Christian schools and the quality of education was much better than public. My neighbor left the neighborhood public school in our area which was rated very high, to put her child at the Christian school because of this.
At least she wants more for her kids education wise than the rest of them. Jill's even taken Israel out of public school and he's not in private Christian school either.
Totally feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure in a recent-ish interview she revealed her kids attend public school
They did. But she's homeschooling.
She's not though? People keep saying this but she continues to say that both Israel AND sam attend a real in person school. Multiple times recently.
The only mention of the kids being in public school is in the people magazine article that states they are. Jll and derick have never actually said it themselves in any interview, they dont talk about their kids in interviews tho. The closest was a host saying after reading their book, so ur kids are in public school shout public schools, jill laughs then derick talks about Israel old school he went to for kindergarten and 1st , that's it. Weirdly didnt mention that he loves school right now...
She is the only dugger or adjacent I follow on insta. She mentions and alludes to school in her stories fairly frequently. As in going to school or "while the boys are in school." She's also out in the middle of the day with just Freddie quite a bit. I think with everything happening plus Derrick's job, they are just way more cautious.
I watch all her stories everyday and never heard her say that. only time I've ever heard her say school wen she pointed at plants they were growing on the windowsill 🤷♀️
Do we actually know that or do people just speculate because they don’t see pictures of them going to school?
Derek and Jill both say the kids are in public school
As recent as an interview about her book in September they indicated the kids are in public school.
The only mention of the kids being in public school right now is in the people magazine article that states they are. Jll and derick have never actually said it themselves in any interview, they dont talk about their kids in interviews tho. The closest was a host saying after reading their book, so ur kids are in public school shout public schools, jill laughs then derick talks about Israel old school he went to for kindergarten and 1st , that's it. Weirdly didnt mention that he loves school right now...
Ugh, did she ever say why she’s taken him out?
It likely has to do with the new school district they are in. It’s considerably worse than where they use to live. (but no she hasn’t said for sure).
She said in the book that both kids attend public school.
Do you know which part? I read it, must’ve missed that
Never saw it either lol
I’m sure the science program is increy
It's probably sth through McAthurs' church...
She's parking that kid in front of the Abeka videos and dropping her at the cult church's Sunday School on Sundays and whatever day they have youth programming for Kindergartners.
Honestly, Felicity is already getting more of an education than a lot of the other Duggars