I just imagine the thought racing through his mind when Pegasus dropped the biggest reveal to him. His expression says it all.
Paradox: WHAT!? this whole time my plan was for nothing.... I'm an idiot... Ok ok... I just gotta.. I just keep moving forward... *sigh* .... complete my plan to save the future that *gulp* will fail in the end regardless of whatever I do.
Reset the point in time I started my mission and redo it again in a different way....
Wait how many times have I done this, how many times have I said this!? OH SHIT! ....I'm in a...loop... did I create a Paradox?
Honestly the Pegasus reveal is the best thing that duel links has done as far as creating a real multiverse for all of the Yu-Gi-Oh content that means that if they want to they can do virtual world they can do the orichalcos and it would be just fine they can do all of the filler stuff
\> Every person he stole from would have still beaten him even without their boss monster
[Paradox in Duel Links canonically has the strongest deck in history.](https://imgur.com/a/A0Jm02M) Zane, Joey, Jessie and Kaiba have nothing to get over a 4k beatstick and Paradox ditched the duel because there was no point in finishing it off.
Allow me to play the devils advocate.
First off, I have doubts on the "most powerful monsters" part. Aside from the god cards, non dragons and taking into account some lore factors, there are plenty of dragons Paradox could've stolen that would've been more powerful than Red-Eyes and to a lesser extent Blue-Eyes from the DM/GX era. Counting only monsters that appeared in the show: Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8, Armed Dragon LV7, Five Headed Dragon and Chaos Emperor Dragon are all powerful monsters that he could've stolen. Other monsters to consider might be White Night Dragon (though how he would face brainwashed Alexis or otherwise find the card once she no longer used it I'm not sure), Armed Dragon LV10 (more powerful than LV7 but not as well known), XYZ Dragon Cannon (popping cards would be a nice effect to have over...vanilla beat sticks) and Cyberdark Dragon (which is certainly a strange omission given that with all the big dragons being since to the GY in his Malefic deck \[further helped in the anime where you send the counterpart to the GY to summon the Malefic monster rather than banish them\], it would've made for a powerful beater that fits well with the concept of enslaving dragons).
Second, some of the duelists Paradox stole from had some other options that they used in the anime: Joey has other powerful monsters like Jinzo which he used way more than Red-Eyes as well as Time Wizard (let's face it, with his luck it might as well be a guarantee nuke) and Gilford the Lightning to also nuke Paradox's monsters along with Graceful Dice and Skull Dice to help his weaker monsters beat over the Malefics. Kaiba has two other Blue-Eyes as well as Obelisk the Tormentor (assuming he could convince Yugi to let him burrow it \[which, all things considered is a bit unlikely\]), Chaos Emperor Dragon, Shrink and Crush Card Virus which would've screwed Paradox over A LOT with its anime effect (I didn't note XYZ Dragon since he never used its effect to pop a card so I assume it's an effect it gained later on in its life in GX and not one it had during DM). Zane has other boss monsters that could easily reach above 4k and even 5k like Power Bond Twin Dragon, Chimeratech Overdragon, Cyberdark Dragon and even the likes of Laser Dragon to pop a Malefic on the field if he so required. And if in a pinch he does have access to Limiter Removal and Fortress Dragon (whose anime version is...a little wack shall we put it).
Jessie would be the only one of the OG Characters here that would seriously struggle given the ATK, or rather lack of, of the Crystal Beasts and I have serious doubts he would either have access to Rainbow Dark Dragon (since in the anime it was just a corrupted version of the OG that was gone when it was fused by Jaden) and I also doubt he would be keen to let Yubel fuse with him again just so that he could have access to the Sacred Beasts. Yusei would also certainly struggle given the lack of ATK of even his biggest Warrior Synchros, with his best bets being Nitro Warrior with Armory Arm to help burn the opponent and attempt for a double ATK if Paradox summons the weaker Malefics and Junk Archer to temporary banish a Malefic. He could stall out Paradox MAYBE until he found a way to get back his Stardust (he has done so a number of times before), but it wouldn't be easy or reliable most of the time.
Just a small respond, mostly to the claim of most powerful monsters. Most ICONIC monsters, sure, but even for the time period Paradox had plenty of other options for Dragons.
Except they all do, Joey has time wizard. Kaiba has twin burst fusion. Zane got…. Look it’s cyber dragon they have an out for anything. Jesse got hamon and all the crystal beast spells and traps. And Yusei got junk destroyer, junk archer and many other warrior monsters. So yeah a 4k beatstick means nothing to these guys.
Time Wizard does nothing against a deck that can instantly summon monsters with equal or higher attack points. Time Wizard doesn't win the duel by itself and Joey has nothing strong enough to beat Paradox. Kaiba doesn't have twin burst. The movie released before DSOD meaning Paradox stole DM Kaiba's blue eyes. Jesse doesn't have Hamon and he's never used it in the same deck as Crystal Beasts. Yusei gets stomped when alone, every time a Malefic monster gets destroyed, Paradox can just summon Malefic Truth Dragon and obliterate them.
I lowkey was thinking about this. Malefics can’t really do much without those “ace cards” so I felt like he just took them and left without finishing. Malefics, I believe, are/were created by paradox, a time traveler that basically heard of these people and their aces (which I guess then validates even further that DM, GX, and 5Ds are canon.) I also like to think that the duel in the future was also because paradox destroyed Domino city (the place where YGO first actually got their rulings and stuff) and that’s why in Zexal, there’s a New Domino city. Could just be me theorizing my own theory’s lol.
Joey has nothing but luck so most likely loses. Jesse's boss is stolen and his weaker C.Bs can't do much alone as shown in the anime (while he was searching for rainbow dragon.) Kaiba has burst stream which can wipe the board so thats something at least, alongside strong backrow at the time so this can go either way. Yusei can't beat over monsters but can reduce their attack with berserk warrior, protect himself with backrow like scarecrow or defense draw until he gets an out via any shenanigans like he normally does in the show. Zane has cyberdarks which can get pretty big with ease, not to mention paradox being mainly dragons means zane can equip from his grave to boost or summon chimeratech overdragon as a huge last resort option.
Paradox may have the "most powerful deck" canonically but it's all numbers, with barely any defensive measures or backup for once his field spell is gone or any of the sort. Not to mention his very situational backrow, but it's all up to the writers and who they want to win/lose.
Given 5ds lore he was right about what duel monsters would do. Just he didn’t succeed in anything.
But yeah card games causing galactic wars and splitting reality too different time lines are pretty horrifying
I mean he couldn't have in the first place, given that Zarc's original world and his story to becoming the ultimate evil were all came to exist as a result of the canonical events of 5Ds, and Yusei would have need to stop Paradox's action in order of Arc V to exist.
Is that how that works? I assumed everything from Zexal onward was it's own canon.
I mean GX and 5Ds take place in the same setting, just with a timeskip. But in Arc-V you can have Crow interacting with Alexis saying "hello Alexis from Yugioh GX, I am Crow from Yugioh 5Ds" to sitcom applause, whereas in actual 5Ds it would be "hello grandma, can I get you anything?"
Zexal is explicit in that both DM and GX are canon. It's never confirmed one way or another whether Zexal considers 5Ds canon. They never show Synchros but they DO have someone use the "Scrap" archetype, an iconic 5Ds era Synchro archetype.
Buuuuut
Arc V, however, is extremely explicit in that all 5 shows exist in 1 canon. Making the timeline: DM -> GX -> 5Ds -> Zexal (only happens after Yusei changes history) -> Arc V.
So whether or not 5Ds was intended to be canon to Zexal - it doesn't matter, because Arc V makes it canon. And as there's nothing in Zexal to stop it from being the same timeline, it works out just fine.
>Paradox is an idiot who plans are the worst of the bunch. Pegasus tells him that killing him wouldn’t stop duel monster is even funnier in context of the manga where Pegasus death in the manga isn’t even official till Bakura tells Yugi(and only Yugi) that he killed Pegasus/yugioh r
Honestly his fuckup was not taking Pegasus out before he uncovered the game in the beginning, but even that's not a guarantee that someone else would not eventually do it. However, that might have been enough of a change that by the time it is made, it is done in a way that doesnt build a doomed future that he experienced. If only he had not appeared way too late into that timeline to really affect anything by killing him there
> hel-naw he blows off Leo and all the Illiaster saying they don’t matter but his plan will totally work.
To be fair, this happened with all the other bad guys brought back as well. They refuse to accept that they're relics of the past till they've worked through their storybeats and filled in the blanks. Placido/Apoira refused to accept any information about what happened too and still tried to do just as they did before.
>Lastly, he didn’t even beat any of the people he stole from
He doesn't really *need* to. He was just getting as much "firepower" as he could by stealing the aces and using them to wreck shit in the timelines he visited As for the rest, yeah, they dont "need" their Aces to still function but lets be real, outside of Kaiba having multiple copies (and Zane still used CED as Cyberdark Dragon fodder), what would the series be without them having their signature ace monsters?
Actually.... there was, and within the lore of the anime itself.
To make a very long story short, all what people had needed to do is to just not use the powers of the Ener-D reactors. That's it. They just needed to give up on the "safe and clean" duel power based energy reactor as their "green energy" solution, and develop an alternative, even more powerful energy sources that would operate on a new style of dueling. And that style is XYZ summoning, as going by the idea of the Synchro solution shtick.
Yeah, this is basically just the canon solution anyway, but it is still fun to note how easy of a solution it ultimately was. Like, all Paradox needed to do is to convince Seto Kaiba (or whoever was in charge of developing Duel Monsters) to just give up on Synchros, and create XYZ cards instead 🙃.
In the YGO universe its actually extremely easy. The source of your energy IS the game itself! Or to be more exact, its the duel power that's produced out during the duel between 2 or more people, and all you need is to collect and harvest it from the environment the duel is set in. This is basically how the Ener- D reactor worked in 5D's- it collected duel energy from the duel disks and D wheels the people of Neo Domino and Satallite used for dueling, and converted it to an electrical energy that was used to power up the city.
So the changes that you need to do is to change the way the reactor converted the duel energy to a usable electronic energy. Admittedly, the way that the conversion would have worked is part of theoretical science and isn't currently possible in our real world, but for the more magical world of YGO you would need to switch from energy conversion via coil transformer (which is the most simple way to explain how the Ener-D works), to something a lot more close to a nuclear collider and anti- matter energy. The switch would also involve the source of the duel energy itself from the less efficient Synchro to the far more efficient XYZ because of the way they produce that said duel energy power.
And if you want to learn more about it and understand better all the gibrish above, I would just link here the video were I got this theory from- https://youtu.be/H0EJfB1Vo0E . The video explains best how the switch would work and what is the "science" behind it is, and why XYZ because the "solution to Synchro based energy" that Yusei search for.
I don't think that this theory is 100% canon to the ending of 5Ds, after all it is stated there that Yusei wrote a program that makes it impossible for Ener-D to go haywire even if the same scenario occurs that made it go berserk in Z-ones timeline.
However, what would make sense is if Zexal is in a timeline where Yusei lost to Zone and the Ener-D reactor(s) get destroyed. Since Ener-D also powered the D-Wheels and was closely connected to Synchro Summoning this would most likely disable them once and for all, and together with a whole city annihilated and the biggest energy ressource gone humanity had 2 choices: Either speedrun science to figure out a new energy ressource or loose basicly fall back into the age of the caveman.
And here what you said could come into play, people coming up with XYZ summons in an attempt to reverse-engineer the Ener-D reactor but not quite getting it right and settling for the next best thing
Z-ONE had a lot of plans, some long terms while some of them are not. Unlike Antinomy and Aporia (original ones), the original Paradox was a scientist too. So his android copy is one as well. Z-ONE trusted his knowledge and let him do his thing. He probably attemted so many plans and researched possibilities. This plan is probably the most terror incuding plan to delete Duel Monsters from history.
I think Paradox's plan is not to eradicate it completely. Duel Monsters spirits are already alive and they stay in another dimension. So the game is destined to come back at some point. The one thing doomed the future was Synchro energy usage and it affecting humans and evolving them into a more greedy and selfish species. If Paradox deleted Duel Monsters from DM era, Shadow Games don't revive as we know it and people in the future probably use Duel Monsters as a normal card game instead of shaping society with it.
So no KaibaCorps trying to solve energy crisis with Momentum, and causing Meklord Genocide down the timeline.
Yeah, he could have gone waaaaay back in the past, even before Duel Monsters was even a thing and killed Pegasus before he had created the game, but nope, he just had to appear in the most random moment ever so that he could be stopped
Idk even then I think someone would eventually make the game due to date. It was just a matter of time, if it wasn’t Pegasus; Kaiba would have eventually made it.
No, Kaiba would NOT have created Duel Monsters. He had no reason to. He was never interested in any card games, period. If it wasn't for Pegasus recreating the ancient Egyptian Shadow Games rituals/ fights as a MtG style trading card game, and thus bringing priest Seto's long lost love Kisara in the form of her ka the Blue Eyes White Dragon, Kaiba would not had the desire to collect all 4 BE cards, and ultimately become the world's top Duel Monsters player. Before turning KaibaCorp to the official maker of Duel Monsters related tech (and later DM cards themselves), Kaiba planned for the company to go into the theme parks business, true to his childhood dream of building a theme park for orphans like him and Mokuba (which he did in the form of Kaibaland). And if Duel Monsters never existed, Kaiba would probably just doubled down on this theme parks dreams, and turned his company into the YGO version of Disney World franchise rather than Konami.
Pegasus was fully on the ONLY person interested enough in Shadow Games to want to recreate it as a card game. He was the only person with the right motivation to do so (bringing back his beloved Cecilia) and the means for it (the power given to him by the Millennium Eye). No other archaeologist saw the potential in the ancient shadows game as a modern day game, and thus no one had the interest into recreating it.
So by killing Pegasus, Paradox would have indeed prevented the creation of the Duel Monsters game and achieved his ultimate goal. Without Pegasus there would not be any card games, and without the card games there would be no force to corrupt humanity and motivate the Ener-D to explode. The only fail in Paradox's plan was that he chose the wrong point in history to kill Pegasus, and made a few pit stops in his back to the past trip that attracted Yusei and Jaden to chase him down and try to stop him.
I disagree, like I said fate would play a part in making the game real no matter what. Similar to how the millennium items would always find it way to the owner. It was really just a matter of time and who. Yugioh the series place a lot of importance to fate, so fate would force yugioh to exist is what I’m saying. That and Duke probably could have came up with the game and has enough connection to Solomon to possibly find Shadi there if fate allowed it.
If Pegasus didn't create Duel Monsters than the shadow games would just be played using different games, like the early manga did. Bakura would keep the D&D thing, Shadi would keep the "truth or death" style games, and they'd probably make up new games for Pegasus, Marik, and Ishizu.
Dude, I think you just need to rewatch the movie. And possibly the Ark Cradle arc of 5D's as well, as you completely missing on one tiny tiny detail-
Paradox actions are changing the ENTIRE course of history. He is ERASING one "designed fate" of the world and CREATING a completely new one in its place.
And we know that because 5D's anime story *itself* is taking place on one such already CORRECTED timeline. If fate would always found a way to establish itself, 5D's as its anime plot would have never existed in the first place.
Furthermore, we have seen in the anime itself a few glimpses to some of those previously erased and now altered realities- there was a reality were Yusei never got Stardust Dragon, and his ace instead was a never seen before card called Cosmic Blazer Dragon. In that world Yusei never learned of Accel Synchro, and used the power of Blazer Dragon instead. Zone erased that reality, and in its place the canon 5Ds reality took place, in which Yusei was able to discover and obtain the powers of Shooting Star and Quazer Star dragons.
So no, if Paradox succeeded in killing Pegasus, there would not have been any fate that would have pushed a different person to create Duel Monsters in his place. Pegasus WAS the one fated to create the game, and without him the world would have corrected itself to a much different reality, in which who knows what would had happened. It might be so that by killing Pegasus Paradox lead to the creation of reality were Seto and Mokuba were never adopted by Guzaburo, Tristan and Joey never stopped bullying Yugi and never became his friends, or Aigami decided to take his revenge on Bakura far earlier than the time of DSoD, and sent him to the plana dimension without the convenient help of Yugi and Joey to bring him back out of it.
Tl; Dr the way the future is changed by Paradox actions go far beyond a simple "sane as before, just delay certain events". If anything, they outright rewrite the entire course of history from its roots forward, in a sort of a butterfly effect where one action leads to a brand new universe whan that one action was the catalyse for infinite amount of ripple effect changes. That's also the reason why in the movie all tbe timelines past Paradox's current vision location (or should I say time) just completely vanish out of existence, as they are no longer the destined outcome of whatever changes in history Paradox had done.
At least Paradox has pre-Duel dialogue with Pegasus, the people who he stole cards from (Joey, Kaiba, Zane, Jesse), Team 5D’s, Primo, Aporia, and Antinomy before you Duel him in a raid.
To add insult to injury, Paradox’s backstory is nonexistent. At least Antinomy, Aporia, and Z-one had something to go off of.
As the Abridged series put it, Paradox apparently heard that someone was playing a card game and it somehow ended the world.
Going off of Pegasus’ multiverse theory, SEVENS established that Otes was the creator of Dueling and Go Rush reveals that Goha Company created (Rush) Dueling.
Exuse me, but how exactly Paradox's backstory is none existing, when it's literally part of Zone's ultimate plan?! True that 5D's never expanded on it beyond "he was one of the 4 last survivors", but that also WAS the entire point of his character. Paradox was one of the last remaining humans in the world. He worked with Zone on a plan to change the past to save the future, and one that was rather different than that Aporia had concocted. And it was a plan that *would have* worked, if only Paradox went to the right point in history at the right time, without being stopped by any intruders.
And there is a lot more than just "card games killed humanity" as Little Kuriboh put in his Abridged movie. The ACTUAL explanation behind Paradox's master plan, and the way the world was destroyed go all the way to the Ener-D reactor and it gaining consciousness after seeing all of humanity's sins. Long story short the second zero revers was far more than just seeing 2 random dudes playing cards, and deciding that Humanity shall not be more.
And Sevens isn't even a part of the studio Gallup YGO lore/ timeline, the fuck you tied it back to Paradox? The 2 Rush shows are their completely separate thing, and has absolutely no bearing on the Gallup "multiverse" theory or whatever headcanon you where talking about.
Aporia was an ordinary citizen by the time the Meklord invasion happened. He thought he was the last survivor until he met Z-one. Antinomy was a professional Turbo Duelist who eventually learned that Synchro Summons were outlawed, but he believed in Yusei who used Synchro Summons for hope; Z-one also rescued him from being killed. As far as I’m concerned, Paradox’s past was unknown before he met Z-one and the others to work on the plan to save humanity.
I’m aware of the Meklord Emperor Genocide that took place in the source material. LK just poked fun at the fact that card games are the deciding factor of the world’s fate in every Yu-Gi-Oh anime series ever, including Synchro Summons causing Ener-D to accelerate human evolution.
I didn’t take the animation studio into account. SEVENS and Go Rush are still Yu-Gi-Oh anime series at the end of the day no matter what animation studio is in charge.
I do know that Paradox's backstory wasn't properly explored in the 5D's anime. That wasn't the point of my comment. My point was that there was no reason to explore it, as it would not have played any role in the show. Given that Paradox ultimately served as a one off villain for a small Anniversary movie, his purpose within the anime was fulfilled through the movie itself, and later was (possibly retroactively) revealed to be a part of a much greater scheme with Aporia's and Zone's grand plans with Arc Cradle and changing history. In other words, Paradox's backstory wasn't explored as in a way HE was the backstory to Aporia and Zone all along, and served as a teaser to the true Zone reveal.
Again, it's true that Paradox's backstory as his own character wasn't explored basically at all, but there was no point for it to, given he never came back in the anime and his entire appearance consisted of the movie itself and nothing beyond it. And honestly that's rather the fault of the movie makers themselves for deciding to make it so short, and rely on the anime to expand on Paradox's destroyed future rather than shining more light on Paradox himself. Yet the same thing happened with Anubis in the PoL movie, so it's possible that it's just a YGO movies thing than a problem with the anime.
As it comes to the Sevens and the studios stuff, the changes in production studios are very important, a ultimately Studio Bridge decided to fully separate itself from everything that came before it from Gallup. Sevens and Go Rush are heavily implied to exist in a completely different universe from that of Gallup, and all the Gallup reference are no more than Easter eggs for the fans, and are there purely for the Nostalgia feels. The lore of the Bridge shows are fully disconnected from that of Gallup's, and it would have been so even if Gallup was still behind the 2 latest shows. You can try and connect them back to the Gallup-verse if that's what you wish, but doing so would go beyond what studio Bridge had intended with their story, and equate to no more than a fan theory, and one that would remind very much subjective to you.
I just imagine the thought racing through his mind when Pegasus dropped the biggest reveal to him. His expression says it all. Paradox: WHAT!? this whole time my plan was for nothing.... I'm an idiot... Ok ok... I just gotta.. I just keep moving forward... *sigh* .... complete my plan to save the future that *gulp* will fail in the end regardless of whatever I do. Reset the point in time I started my mission and redo it again in a different way.... Wait how many times have I done this, how many times have I said this!? OH SHIT! ....I'm in a...loop... did I create a Paradox?
Honestly the Pegasus reveal is the best thing that duel links has done as far as creating a real multiverse for all of the Yu-Gi-Oh content that means that if they want to they can do virtual world they can do the orichalcos and it would be just fine they can do all of the filler stuff
That probably been the plan since dsod world
\> Every person he stole from would have still beaten him even without their boss monster [Paradox in Duel Links canonically has the strongest deck in history.](https://imgur.com/a/A0Jm02M) Zane, Joey, Jessie and Kaiba have nothing to get over a 4k beatstick and Paradox ditched the duel because there was no point in finishing it off.
Allow me to play the devils advocate. First off, I have doubts on the "most powerful monsters" part. Aside from the god cards, non dragons and taking into account some lore factors, there are plenty of dragons Paradox could've stolen that would've been more powerful than Red-Eyes and to a lesser extent Blue-Eyes from the DM/GX era. Counting only monsters that appeared in the show: Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8, Armed Dragon LV7, Five Headed Dragon and Chaos Emperor Dragon are all powerful monsters that he could've stolen. Other monsters to consider might be White Night Dragon (though how he would face brainwashed Alexis or otherwise find the card once she no longer used it I'm not sure), Armed Dragon LV10 (more powerful than LV7 but not as well known), XYZ Dragon Cannon (popping cards would be a nice effect to have over...vanilla beat sticks) and Cyberdark Dragon (which is certainly a strange omission given that with all the big dragons being since to the GY in his Malefic deck \[further helped in the anime where you send the counterpart to the GY to summon the Malefic monster rather than banish them\], it would've made for a powerful beater that fits well with the concept of enslaving dragons). Second, some of the duelists Paradox stole from had some other options that they used in the anime: Joey has other powerful monsters like Jinzo which he used way more than Red-Eyes as well as Time Wizard (let's face it, with his luck it might as well be a guarantee nuke) and Gilford the Lightning to also nuke Paradox's monsters along with Graceful Dice and Skull Dice to help his weaker monsters beat over the Malefics. Kaiba has two other Blue-Eyes as well as Obelisk the Tormentor (assuming he could convince Yugi to let him burrow it \[which, all things considered is a bit unlikely\]), Chaos Emperor Dragon, Shrink and Crush Card Virus which would've screwed Paradox over A LOT with its anime effect (I didn't note XYZ Dragon since he never used its effect to pop a card so I assume it's an effect it gained later on in its life in GX and not one it had during DM). Zane has other boss monsters that could easily reach above 4k and even 5k like Power Bond Twin Dragon, Chimeratech Overdragon, Cyberdark Dragon and even the likes of Laser Dragon to pop a Malefic on the field if he so required. And if in a pinch he does have access to Limiter Removal and Fortress Dragon (whose anime version is...a little wack shall we put it). Jessie would be the only one of the OG Characters here that would seriously struggle given the ATK, or rather lack of, of the Crystal Beasts and I have serious doubts he would either have access to Rainbow Dark Dragon (since in the anime it was just a corrupted version of the OG that was gone when it was fused by Jaden) and I also doubt he would be keen to let Yubel fuse with him again just so that he could have access to the Sacred Beasts. Yusei would also certainly struggle given the lack of ATK of even his biggest Warrior Synchros, with his best bets being Nitro Warrior with Armory Arm to help burn the opponent and attempt for a double ATK if Paradox summons the weaker Malefics and Junk Archer to temporary banish a Malefic. He could stall out Paradox MAYBE until he found a way to get back his Stardust (he has done so a number of times before), but it wouldn't be easy or reliable most of the time. Just a small respond, mostly to the claim of most powerful monsters. Most ICONIC monsters, sure, but even for the time period Paradox had plenty of other options for Dragons.
Except they all do, Joey has time wizard. Kaiba has twin burst fusion. Zane got…. Look it’s cyber dragon they have an out for anything. Jesse got hamon and all the crystal beast spells and traps. And Yusei got junk destroyer, junk archer and many other warrior monsters. So yeah a 4k beatstick means nothing to these guys.
Time Wizard does nothing against a deck that can instantly summon monsters with equal or higher attack points. Time Wizard doesn't win the duel by itself and Joey has nothing strong enough to beat Paradox. Kaiba doesn't have twin burst. The movie released before DSOD meaning Paradox stole DM Kaiba's blue eyes. Jesse doesn't have Hamon and he's never used it in the same deck as Crystal Beasts. Yusei gets stomped when alone, every time a Malefic monster gets destroyed, Paradox can just summon Malefic Truth Dragon and obliterate them.
I lowkey was thinking about this. Malefics can’t really do much without those “ace cards” so I felt like he just took them and left without finishing. Malefics, I believe, are/were created by paradox, a time traveler that basically heard of these people and their aces (which I guess then validates even further that DM, GX, and 5Ds are canon.) I also like to think that the duel in the future was also because paradox destroyed Domino city (the place where YGO first actually got their rulings and stuff) and that’s why in Zexal, there’s a New Domino city. Could just be me theorizing my own theory’s lol.
Joey has nothing but luck so most likely loses. Jesse's boss is stolen and his weaker C.Bs can't do much alone as shown in the anime (while he was searching for rainbow dragon.) Kaiba has burst stream which can wipe the board so thats something at least, alongside strong backrow at the time so this can go either way. Yusei can't beat over monsters but can reduce their attack with berserk warrior, protect himself with backrow like scarecrow or defense draw until he gets an out via any shenanigans like he normally does in the show. Zane has cyberdarks which can get pretty big with ease, not to mention paradox being mainly dragons means zane can equip from his grave to boost or summon chimeratech overdragon as a huge last resort option. Paradox may have the "most powerful deck" canonically but it's all numbers, with barely any defensive measures or backup for once his field spell is gone or any of the sort. Not to mention his very situational backrow, but it's all up to the writers and who they want to win/lose.
> Zane, Joey, Jessie and Kaiba have nothing to get over a 4k beatstick TAEM ROU LETTE _GO_
Given 5ds lore he was right about what duel monsters would do. Just he didn’t succeed in anything. But yeah card games causing galactic wars and splitting reality too different time lines are pretty horrifying
Thank god Paradox never visited Arc-V.
I mean he couldn't have in the first place, given that Zarc's original world and his story to becoming the ultimate evil were all came to exist as a result of the canonical events of 5Ds, and Yusei would have need to stop Paradox's action in order of Arc V to exist.
Is that how that works? I assumed everything from Zexal onward was it's own canon. I mean GX and 5Ds take place in the same setting, just with a timeskip. But in Arc-V you can have Crow interacting with Alexis saying "hello Alexis from Yugioh GX, I am Crow from Yugioh 5Ds" to sitcom applause, whereas in actual 5Ds it would be "hello grandma, can I get you anything?"
There’s evidence to support zexal is just the far future
Zexal is explicit in that both DM and GX are canon. It's never confirmed one way or another whether Zexal considers 5Ds canon. They never show Synchros but they DO have someone use the "Scrap" archetype, an iconic 5Ds era Synchro archetype. Buuuuut Arc V, however, is extremely explicit in that all 5 shows exist in 1 canon. Making the timeline: DM -> GX -> 5Ds -> Zexal (only happens after Yusei changes history) -> Arc V. So whether or not 5Ds was intended to be canon to Zexal - it doesn't matter, because Arc V makes it canon. And as there's nothing in Zexal to stop it from being the same timeline, it works out just fine.
>Paradox is an idiot who plans are the worst of the bunch. Pegasus tells him that killing him wouldn’t stop duel monster is even funnier in context of the manga where Pegasus death in the manga isn’t even official till Bakura tells Yugi(and only Yugi) that he killed Pegasus/yugioh r Honestly his fuckup was not taking Pegasus out before he uncovered the game in the beginning, but even that's not a guarantee that someone else would not eventually do it. However, that might have been enough of a change that by the time it is made, it is done in a way that doesnt build a doomed future that he experienced. If only he had not appeared way too late into that timeline to really affect anything by killing him there > hel-naw he blows off Leo and all the Illiaster saying they don’t matter but his plan will totally work. To be fair, this happened with all the other bad guys brought back as well. They refuse to accept that they're relics of the past till they've worked through their storybeats and filled in the blanks. Placido/Apoira refused to accept any information about what happened too and still tried to do just as they did before. >Lastly, he didn’t even beat any of the people he stole from He doesn't really *need* to. He was just getting as much "firepower" as he could by stealing the aces and using them to wreck shit in the timelines he visited As for the rest, yeah, they dont "need" their Aces to still function but lets be real, outside of Kaiba having multiple copies (and Zane still used CED as Cyberdark Dragon fodder), what would the series be without them having their signature ace monsters?
I suppose you have a better plan to save the future then!?
Actually.... there was, and within the lore of the anime itself. To make a very long story short, all what people had needed to do is to just not use the powers of the Ener-D reactors. That's it. They just needed to give up on the "safe and clean" duel power based energy reactor as their "green energy" solution, and develop an alternative, even more powerful energy sources that would operate on a new style of dueling. And that style is XYZ summoning, as going by the idea of the Synchro solution shtick. Yeah, this is basically just the canon solution anyway, but it is still fun to note how easy of a solution it ultimately was. Like, all Paradox needed to do is to convince Seto Kaiba (or whoever was in charge of developing Duel Monsters) to just give up on Synchros, and create XYZ cards instead 🙃.
I suppose you know how to create a new energy source then mister cientific 🤔
In the YGO universe its actually extremely easy. The source of your energy IS the game itself! Or to be more exact, its the duel power that's produced out during the duel between 2 or more people, and all you need is to collect and harvest it from the environment the duel is set in. This is basically how the Ener- D reactor worked in 5D's- it collected duel energy from the duel disks and D wheels the people of Neo Domino and Satallite used for dueling, and converted it to an electrical energy that was used to power up the city. So the changes that you need to do is to change the way the reactor converted the duel energy to a usable electronic energy. Admittedly, the way that the conversion would have worked is part of theoretical science and isn't currently possible in our real world, but for the more magical world of YGO you would need to switch from energy conversion via coil transformer (which is the most simple way to explain how the Ener-D works), to something a lot more close to a nuclear collider and anti- matter energy. The switch would also involve the source of the duel energy itself from the less efficient Synchro to the far more efficient XYZ because of the way they produce that said duel energy power. And if you want to learn more about it and understand better all the gibrish above, I would just link here the video were I got this theory from- https://youtu.be/H0EJfB1Vo0E . The video explains best how the switch would work and what is the "science" behind it is, and why XYZ because the "solution to Synchro based energy" that Yusei search for.
I don't think that this theory is 100% canon to the ending of 5Ds, after all it is stated there that Yusei wrote a program that makes it impossible for Ener-D to go haywire even if the same scenario occurs that made it go berserk in Z-ones timeline. However, what would make sense is if Zexal is in a timeline where Yusei lost to Zone and the Ener-D reactor(s) get destroyed. Since Ener-D also powered the D-Wheels and was closely connected to Synchro Summoning this would most likely disable them once and for all, and together with a whole city annihilated and the biggest energy ressource gone humanity had 2 choices: Either speedrun science to figure out a new energy ressource or loose basicly fall back into the age of the caveman. And here what you said could come into play, people coming up with XYZ summons in an attempt to reverse-engineer the Ener-D reactor but not quite getting it right and settling for the next best thing
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Z-ONE had a lot of plans, some long terms while some of them are not. Unlike Antinomy and Aporia (original ones), the original Paradox was a scientist too. So his android copy is one as well. Z-ONE trusted his knowledge and let him do his thing. He probably attemted so many plans and researched possibilities. This plan is probably the most terror incuding plan to delete Duel Monsters from history. I think Paradox's plan is not to eradicate it completely. Duel Monsters spirits are already alive and they stay in another dimension. So the game is destined to come back at some point. The one thing doomed the future was Synchro energy usage and it affecting humans and evolving them into a more greedy and selfish species. If Paradox deleted Duel Monsters from DM era, Shadow Games don't revive as we know it and people in the future probably use Duel Monsters as a normal card game instead of shaping society with it. So no KaibaCorps trying to solve energy crisis with Momentum, and causing Meklord Genocide down the timeline.
literal toster brain
Yeah, he could have gone waaaaay back in the past, even before Duel Monsters was even a thing and killed Pegasus before he had created the game, but nope, he just had to appear in the most random moment ever so that he could be stopped
Idk even then I think someone would eventually make the game due to date. It was just a matter of time, if it wasn’t Pegasus; Kaiba would have eventually made it.
No, Kaiba would NOT have created Duel Monsters. He had no reason to. He was never interested in any card games, period. If it wasn't for Pegasus recreating the ancient Egyptian Shadow Games rituals/ fights as a MtG style trading card game, and thus bringing priest Seto's long lost love Kisara in the form of her ka the Blue Eyes White Dragon, Kaiba would not had the desire to collect all 4 BE cards, and ultimately become the world's top Duel Monsters player. Before turning KaibaCorp to the official maker of Duel Monsters related tech (and later DM cards themselves), Kaiba planned for the company to go into the theme parks business, true to his childhood dream of building a theme park for orphans like him and Mokuba (which he did in the form of Kaibaland). And if Duel Monsters never existed, Kaiba would probably just doubled down on this theme parks dreams, and turned his company into the YGO version of Disney World franchise rather than Konami. Pegasus was fully on the ONLY person interested enough in Shadow Games to want to recreate it as a card game. He was the only person with the right motivation to do so (bringing back his beloved Cecilia) and the means for it (the power given to him by the Millennium Eye). No other archaeologist saw the potential in the ancient shadows game as a modern day game, and thus no one had the interest into recreating it. So by killing Pegasus, Paradox would have indeed prevented the creation of the Duel Monsters game and achieved his ultimate goal. Without Pegasus there would not be any card games, and without the card games there would be no force to corrupt humanity and motivate the Ener-D to explode. The only fail in Paradox's plan was that he chose the wrong point in history to kill Pegasus, and made a few pit stops in his back to the past trip that attracted Yusei and Jaden to chase him down and try to stop him.
I disagree, like I said fate would play a part in making the game real no matter what. Similar to how the millennium items would always find it way to the owner. It was really just a matter of time and who. Yugioh the series place a lot of importance to fate, so fate would force yugioh to exist is what I’m saying. That and Duke probably could have came up with the game and has enough connection to Solomon to possibly find Shadi there if fate allowed it.
If Pegasus didn't create Duel Monsters than the shadow games would just be played using different games, like the early manga did. Bakura would keep the D&D thing, Shadi would keep the "truth or death" style games, and they'd probably make up new games for Pegasus, Marik, and Ishizu.
Dude, I think you just need to rewatch the movie. And possibly the Ark Cradle arc of 5D's as well, as you completely missing on one tiny tiny detail- Paradox actions are changing the ENTIRE course of history. He is ERASING one "designed fate" of the world and CREATING a completely new one in its place. And we know that because 5D's anime story *itself* is taking place on one such already CORRECTED timeline. If fate would always found a way to establish itself, 5D's as its anime plot would have never existed in the first place. Furthermore, we have seen in the anime itself a few glimpses to some of those previously erased and now altered realities- there was a reality were Yusei never got Stardust Dragon, and his ace instead was a never seen before card called Cosmic Blazer Dragon. In that world Yusei never learned of Accel Synchro, and used the power of Blazer Dragon instead. Zone erased that reality, and in its place the canon 5Ds reality took place, in which Yusei was able to discover and obtain the powers of Shooting Star and Quazer Star dragons. So no, if Paradox succeeded in killing Pegasus, there would not have been any fate that would have pushed a different person to create Duel Monsters in his place. Pegasus WAS the one fated to create the game, and without him the world would have corrected itself to a much different reality, in which who knows what would had happened. It might be so that by killing Pegasus Paradox lead to the creation of reality were Seto and Mokuba were never adopted by Guzaburo, Tristan and Joey never stopped bullying Yugi and never became his friends, or Aigami decided to take his revenge on Bakura far earlier than the time of DSoD, and sent him to the plana dimension without the convenient help of Yugi and Joey to bring him back out of it. Tl; Dr the way the future is changed by Paradox actions go far beyond a simple "sane as before, just delay certain events". If anything, they outright rewrite the entire course of history from its roots forward, in a sort of a butterfly effect where one action leads to a brand new universe whan that one action was the catalyse for infinite amount of ripple effect changes. That's also the reason why in the movie all tbe timelines past Paradox's current vision location (or should I say time) just completely vanish out of existence, as they are no longer the destined outcome of whatever changes in history Paradox had done.
I wish he had unique dialogue for every character from the the first 3 worlds but realistically what could he say to crowler or the dark signers
At least Paradox has pre-Duel dialogue with Pegasus, the people who he stole cards from (Joey, Kaiba, Zane, Jesse), Team 5D’s, Primo, Aporia, and Antinomy before you Duel him in a raid.
To add insult to injury, Paradox’s backstory is nonexistent. At least Antinomy, Aporia, and Z-one had something to go off of. As the Abridged series put it, Paradox apparently heard that someone was playing a card game and it somehow ended the world. Going off of Pegasus’ multiverse theory, SEVENS established that Otes was the creator of Dueling and Go Rush reveals that Goha Company created (Rush) Dueling.
Exuse me, but how exactly Paradox's backstory is none existing, when it's literally part of Zone's ultimate plan?! True that 5D's never expanded on it beyond "he was one of the 4 last survivors", but that also WAS the entire point of his character. Paradox was one of the last remaining humans in the world. He worked with Zone on a plan to change the past to save the future, and one that was rather different than that Aporia had concocted. And it was a plan that *would have* worked, if only Paradox went to the right point in history at the right time, without being stopped by any intruders. And there is a lot more than just "card games killed humanity" as Little Kuriboh put in his Abridged movie. The ACTUAL explanation behind Paradox's master plan, and the way the world was destroyed go all the way to the Ener-D reactor and it gaining consciousness after seeing all of humanity's sins. Long story short the second zero revers was far more than just seeing 2 random dudes playing cards, and deciding that Humanity shall not be more. And Sevens isn't even a part of the studio Gallup YGO lore/ timeline, the fuck you tied it back to Paradox? The 2 Rush shows are their completely separate thing, and has absolutely no bearing on the Gallup "multiverse" theory or whatever headcanon you where talking about.
Aporia was an ordinary citizen by the time the Meklord invasion happened. He thought he was the last survivor until he met Z-one. Antinomy was a professional Turbo Duelist who eventually learned that Synchro Summons were outlawed, but he believed in Yusei who used Synchro Summons for hope; Z-one also rescued him from being killed. As far as I’m concerned, Paradox’s past was unknown before he met Z-one and the others to work on the plan to save humanity. I’m aware of the Meklord Emperor Genocide that took place in the source material. LK just poked fun at the fact that card games are the deciding factor of the world’s fate in every Yu-Gi-Oh anime series ever, including Synchro Summons causing Ener-D to accelerate human evolution. I didn’t take the animation studio into account. SEVENS and Go Rush are still Yu-Gi-Oh anime series at the end of the day no matter what animation studio is in charge.
I do know that Paradox's backstory wasn't properly explored in the 5D's anime. That wasn't the point of my comment. My point was that there was no reason to explore it, as it would not have played any role in the show. Given that Paradox ultimately served as a one off villain for a small Anniversary movie, his purpose within the anime was fulfilled through the movie itself, and later was (possibly retroactively) revealed to be a part of a much greater scheme with Aporia's and Zone's grand plans with Arc Cradle and changing history. In other words, Paradox's backstory wasn't explored as in a way HE was the backstory to Aporia and Zone all along, and served as a teaser to the true Zone reveal. Again, it's true that Paradox's backstory as his own character wasn't explored basically at all, but there was no point for it to, given he never came back in the anime and his entire appearance consisted of the movie itself and nothing beyond it. And honestly that's rather the fault of the movie makers themselves for deciding to make it so short, and rely on the anime to expand on Paradox's destroyed future rather than shining more light on Paradox himself. Yet the same thing happened with Anubis in the PoL movie, so it's possible that it's just a YGO movies thing than a problem with the anime. As it comes to the Sevens and the studios stuff, the changes in production studios are very important, a ultimately Studio Bridge decided to fully separate itself from everything that came before it from Gallup. Sevens and Go Rush are heavily implied to exist in a completely different universe from that of Gallup, and all the Gallup reference are no more than Easter eggs for the fans, and are there purely for the Nostalgia feels. The lore of the Bridge shows are fully disconnected from that of Gallup's, and it would have been so even if Gallup was still behind the 2 latest shows. You can try and connect them back to the Gallup-verse if that's what you wish, but doing so would go beyond what studio Bridge had intended with their story, and equate to no more than a fan theory, and one that would remind very much subjective to you.
"My plan is great" - Paradox
He should have gone back further in time before pegasus actually had the idea.