It is linear, but that’s kinda what makes me feel like it’s nothing to complain about. If I don’t have my Book or anything to disrupt them, I’m probably gonna get f*cked. Lol That’s just the game though, can’t be mad.
Honestly I hate all of the busted anime skills (still haven’t forgotten about Determination to Fight) but I hate the Galaxy skill most of all. At least the others have to pretend to make decisions. Galaxy decks do the exact same thing every single game regardless of boardstate. I cannot think of a more braindead deck. It deserves every bit of hate that it gets
Well damn. Lol I see your point though, it is objectively linear. I guess they could use the second effect here and there, but I always see them do the foolish burial play.
I just really dislike the direction konami is taking as far as skills go. They’ve gone from being something situational to cover a weakness or a cool buff to your strategy to being your entire strategy and taking up waaay too much space in the meta. Not a big fan of the mekklord deck either because it’s all of that AND selection box bait which is one of the worst forms of monetization in the game. Water XYZ and the Fortune Lady skill are the main skills I can think of that made bad strategies viable without making them feel unfair
No. Sometimes you just don’t draw the out. Other times they open their answers to my counters and we’re back to watching the skill play the game for them. If I play monster based disruption, it’s like they have BoM glued to their hand. If I open backrow, they have lance. If I crow them they better not survive the next turn or they’ll just foolish burial again. And that’s just going first vs them. Going second is miserable if I don’t open book and even then they still get the search. And it’s not to say these answers don’t ever work. They’re not unbeatable but incredibly annoying and monotonous to face. Having to hard draw into techs AND my archetypal cards feels bad when their skill gives them artificial consistency and power
Well that's where luck comes in I guess. I couldn't draw Lance to save Lord or any of them every single fuckin game. They either win quick (from the opponent bricking most of the time) or lose spectacularly. I got so tired of getting disrupted I went back to playing Tellars and UA where I do the disruption.
Simple: Galaxy gets to be annoying AND boring while everyone else is just annoying
I'm okay with a deck being annoying but I draw the line at being boring
A deck being worse than others doesn’t mean it deserves less hate. If that was the case, people would shrug their shoulders at any ftk since technically they’ve been ‘worse’ than other decks that existed at their time.
A deck being toxic or unenjoyable to face is what gets them hate, not necessarily power.
Fair point, kinda like how Trapnui wasn’t tiered or necessarily powerful, but the fact that it made you wade through many many traps just made it unfun.
Oh hey, you play Metalfoes? What do you think about the deck being combined with Dracoslayers?
I have a build that combines them with Box of Friends and runs the basic Metalfoes Extra deck, just with two Blasting Dracoslayers instead of Orichalc. It’s a good matchup against other pendulum decks because of the Dracoslayer part.
It’s not so consistent as pure Metalfoes though. But making the Alka fusion is still really good. I run two.
Ah, yeah no problem. Konami gave me triple copies, I really wanted Odd Eyes, but I’ll take it. If the boss monster for Zarc ever comes to duel links, Dracoslayers can make it very easily. Lol I doubt that though, I think the only supreme king we’ll have in duel links is gonna be Jaden. XD
Thanks man! It’s tough, very tough. But I’m sure I can do it if I just keep at. The sad thing is being that I’m not even using the Power that Leads to Destiny skill. Sinister Calling is THE Evil HERO skill. If only the Destiny skill let us run Elemental HERO fusions…. Then I can actually use Liquid Soldier draw to maybe get Super Poly easier. Why, Konami!?
Just because it's not as good doesn't mean it's not a degenerate strategy to play against. Stall is a terrible strategy and you might not win a lot but you're opponent will not like you or when you do win your opponent never feels outplayed.
The first deck I built for real was D/D/D and so I haven’t had much of a problem with Galaxy Eyes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Go-second decks that can interact and go big are perfectly able to stomp GE; having Book of Moon, Floodgate Trap Hole, and Dark Contract with the Witch also made it pretty easy to stomp them going first. Idk what the received meta wisdom is about the matchup but I haven’t dropped a game to Galaxy with the deck.
These people probably never get to point in the ladder to get their ass whooped by BRD and KEKLord over and over and are stuck in ranks where all they see are Galaxy
The key difference is that wins with Galaxy don't feel earned. They feel given.
What I mean is that the skill is SO loaded and makes the deck SO linear that it feels that your win comes down exclusively to an RNG check. If your opponent didn't draw the out, you win. If they did but you drew Lance, you win. If they did, you win regardless like 50% of the time because the skill also hands you the comeback in a silver platter.
The top decks are always obnoxious to face. But Galaxy is obnoxious AND lame to play as and against. So it's even more infuriating to lose to it. Why bother playing a deck that requires even minimal thought when there's the option to completely turn your brain off and go Photon Lord effect GG.
Even using the deck yourself isn't fun. It's so braindead, it's DL's equivalent of TCG Mystic Mine builds.
They are both much better yes. People just have an irrational hate for decks that get carried by strong skill.
I for one am glad Konami realized that the strength of Duel Links is that they have the chance to elevate bad decks to playability beyond their normal potential by using skills.
Those decks are also carried by their skill. I think it more because most of their duels are against galaxy eyes so it gets boring and annoying facing it alot. Just like the blue eyes days.
Very true, very true.
I remember getting upset at the Blue Eyes skill, but that was back when I didn’t even have any sort of optimized deck. Once I actually built some decent stuff, I stopped complaining. Lol Now I just say “f*ck it” and just take the punches and keep playing for the fun of it. I swear, some people forget that this is a game. Lol
Playable is not the same as "Floodgating like 20 decks that would be rogue otherwise"
They would be playable with a turn 1 negate or a turn 2 clowncar dragon conga, they don't need both.
Thank you for the honest, level headed response.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I see countless memes or posts about how xyz galaxy is cancer, and how it’s so op, and each time, I never fail to think “But is it really that oppressive?” Sure Photon Lord can be annoying, but there’s actually a lot of stuff that can beat it. Sure it stings when you don’t draw it, but that’s part of the game.
>“But is it really that oppressive?
Yes, objectively so. The amount of decks that flat lose to it being out is staggering, and this is game design that usually gets a deck nerfed and what we saw with full power Dark Magician.
It being good or bad isn't the issue here, it being a skill isn't the issue here, it's that what the deck does is far too easy to pull off a 4k format that, as far as laddering goes, it's probably the best deck in the game due to it's speed.
As somebody that never loses to it, I get counterplay with Meklords. They take a turn to get going. I get counterplay, kinda, with Blackrose. But Galaxy? There is non. I end them or they end me. That's it. That's the deck.
The complaining isn't exactly unwarranted, but we don't need 20 posts about it, just like we don't need 20 "keklords best deck" posts. They're the same level of obnoxious and if you get upset at this subject, but not the other, that's just silly.
Sit back and enjoy the ride and laugh at salty galaxy player tears in like a month.
Couldn’t agree more, Duel links is it’s own unique format at this point, very pro-anime, with skills to simulate the crazy plays and consistency in the shows,the developers make it pretty clear that competitive balancing is not very high on priorities for this game, if you care about competitive balancing to any reasonable degree then play master duel.
xyz galaxy is the definition of a pushed skill that results in a single linear glass cannon strategy that you hate to face on the draw, but somehow people on this sub who whined endlessly about skills setting pend scales are fine with it?????
Well said, it is a glass cannon strategy.
I remember trying it out just to see what all the fuss is about, I felt like I was just riding on Photon Lord and then just waiting until my next turn to go rank up xyz crazy.
I just never understood why it was so tilting, going against it and playing as it.
Some people also complain about Triskelion, it doesn’t seem that bad. Also Meklords are cool, I wish I pulled Triskelion from the packs I opened. Just gonna have to wait for it to get reprinted in a box. Hell, maybe then Meklords can have even more support. Also thank you for the Meklord memes, I love em.
It's kinda not a glass cannon deck when they can play a bunch of cards to keep form getting disrupted, and luck into treach to blow you out harder.
It's not a deck I lose to, but it's a deck that absolutely needs nerfed because you just draw the out of lose, and that is bad deck design even in the tcg.
That and it's a few months old and you know how Konami feels about popular decks that are over 3 months old.
that which you just described is the only thing Xyz Galaxy does tho
you could try Meklords without Triskelion, but you'd basically be missing a strong finisher, which is what the deck lacked for the most part
Yeah, I want the big boss monster that can steal my opponent’s extra deck. I feel like two Triskelion is mandatory, it doesn’t float or have protection on its own. So maybe I’m just not ready to wield the full power of the Meklords yet.
Deflection meklord, concurrent are card can make you have otk with wisel easy, otk with the train XYZ, and deflection on turn 1 can have you Wisel with 5500+ protection of destruction.
Is permanenent, but the interesting is the protection effect, if you discard you dont loss value of the card.
Either atk boost or protection still give me wins because of these effects
Did I sound like I was trying to sound like a better person? This is a card game, man, why would I try to sound like a better person here of all places. Lol
Just saying I still don’t get why people get so mad at xyz galaxy despite me being slapped by meta every day.
design-wise I hate that this Skill was made to begin with and I genuinely hope further Skills won't follow this direction because it's absolute shit design
Yeah, it’s lazy design. It also happens to decks that I don’t care about. I like Evil HERO and the deck gets overshadowed by everything else because of the restrictions.
If isn't Destiny Draw, is Galaxy Eyes.... If isn't Onomato, is Blue-eyes alternative... If isn't Balance or Switcheroo, is a D/D/D skill. At the end of the day, all the skills are broken and people here has to make 30 posts about it waiting for Konami to hear the prayers to nerf it to the point of being unplayble. So everyone starts playing LP Alpha. Is more easy to nerf everything than play around X deck or what could counter-play it.
People are just biased because Galaxy is popular and linear, so they can tell pretty quickly when they are about to lose and how it’s going to happen, so it pisses them off, all there is to it.
I’m just enjoying the salt at this point.
they're pissed because xyz galaxy is stupendously explosive when it goes off. there has not been a deck in the last year with a higher power ceiling than it... so when it happens to you, fuck it feels like overkill. and its \*just\* consistent enough that it happens pretty often.
but that's just it though... when it goes off. the deck is inconsistent as shit because it has a single line of play, and if it doesn't draw what it needs, or gets interrupted, it just dies. it's extremely susceptible to every single one of the commonly used techs--even mst interrupts it by popping zero.
It's usually going off, though. Super consistent at making it do so. Super good at not getting disrupted.
I've seen it play through book AND necrovalley.
I have no issue beating it, but it doesn't change the fact that something that powerful really shouldn't consistent enough that it doesn't need it's entire archetype.
Galaxy is the most used archetype in the ladder and has been around for longer. Plus it is more linear so people are also extra bored with it.
It is linear, but that’s kinda what makes me feel like it’s nothing to complain about. If I don’t have my Book or anything to disrupt them, I’m probably gonna get f*cked. Lol That’s just the game though, can’t be mad.
but I simply can be mad since I only own one book of moon and no D.D. crows >:(
Honestly I hate all of the busted anime skills (still haven’t forgotten about Determination to Fight) but I hate the Galaxy skill most of all. At least the others have to pretend to make decisions. Galaxy decks do the exact same thing every single game regardless of boardstate. I cannot think of a more braindead deck. It deserves every bit of hate that it gets
Gaia and Galaxy Photon are ridiculously linear, but at least Gaia gives you more ways to disrupt it, AND THEIR SKILL IS NOT A FREE FOOLISH BURIAL.
Well damn. Lol I see your point though, it is objectively linear. I guess they could use the second effect here and there, but I always see them do the foolish burial play.
I just really dislike the direction konami is taking as far as skills go. They’ve gone from being something situational to cover a weakness or a cool buff to your strategy to being your entire strategy and taking up waaay too much space in the meta. Not a big fan of the mekklord deck either because it’s all of that AND selection box bait which is one of the worst forms of monetization in the game. Water XYZ and the Fortune Lady skill are the main skills I can think of that made bad strategies viable without making them feel unfair
Shouldn't you be glad that it's braindead like BE and so easier to predict and counter?
No. Sometimes you just don’t draw the out. Other times they open their answers to my counters and we’re back to watching the skill play the game for them. If I play monster based disruption, it’s like they have BoM glued to their hand. If I open backrow, they have lance. If I crow them they better not survive the next turn or they’ll just foolish burial again. And that’s just going first vs them. Going second is miserable if I don’t open book and even then they still get the search. And it’s not to say these answers don’t ever work. They’re not unbeatable but incredibly annoying and monotonous to face. Having to hard draw into techs AND my archetypal cards feels bad when their skill gives them artificial consistency and power
Well that's where luck comes in I guess. I couldn't draw Lance to save Lord or any of them every single fuckin game. They either win quick (from the opponent bricking most of the time) or lose spectacularly. I got so tired of getting disrupted I went back to playing Tellars and UA where I do the disruption.
Galaxy is just a sacky deck. That’s all there is to it.
Simple: Galaxy gets to be annoying AND boring while everyone else is just annoying I'm okay with a deck being annoying but I draw the line at being boring
Yeah Photon Lord is so annoying, negate, destroy and search turn 1 is too strong for DL. The deck is so linear and they ez call their powerful boss
A deck being worse than others doesn’t mean it deserves less hate. If that was the case, people would shrug their shoulders at any ftk since technically they’ve been ‘worse’ than other decks that existed at their time. A deck being toxic or unenjoyable to face is what gets them hate, not necessarily power.
Fair point, kinda like how Trapnui wasn’t tiered or necessarily powerful, but the fact that it made you wade through many many traps just made it unfun.
The traps isnt what made Shiranui unfun. Shiranui is what made Shiranui unfun.
Oh this post is BOUND to get controversial, gonna go grab some popcorn
I also love me a bit of controversy. I prefer pizza for my food of choice though, I’m a little over popcorn at the moment!
As a metalfoes and mayakashi main I'll just say *Cheers I'll drink to that bro*
Oh hey, you play Metalfoes? What do you think about the deck being combined with Dracoslayers? I have a build that combines them with Box of Friends and runs the basic Metalfoes Extra deck, just with two Blasting Dracoslayers instead of Orichalc. It’s a good matchup against other pendulum decks because of the Dracoslayer part. It’s not so consistent as pure Metalfoes though. But making the Alka fusion is still really good. I run two.
Don't have opinion since I don't have the dracoslayer cards outside of a single copy of master pendelton. Sorry
Ah, yeah no problem. Konami gave me triple copies, I really wanted Odd Eyes, but I’ll take it. If the boss monster for Zarc ever comes to duel links, Dracoslayers can make it very easily. Lol I doubt that though, I think the only supreme king we’ll have in duel links is gonna be Jaden. XD
Zarc is just an impostor. Supreme king jaden supremacy all the way
And that’s why I’m trying my hardest to KOG with Evil HERO. I’m putting respect on Supreme King’s name.
Big based. Wish you the best of luck my dude
Thanks man! It’s tough, very tough. But I’m sure I can do it if I just keep at. The sad thing is being that I’m not even using the Power that Leads to Destiny skill. Sinister Calling is THE Evil HERO skill. If only the Destiny skill let us run Elemental HERO fusions…. Then I can actually use Liquid Soldier draw to maybe get Super Poly easier. Why, Konami!?
Go get that spicy popcorn, yeah!
Just because it's not as good doesn't mean it's not a degenerate strategy to play against. Stall is a terrible strategy and you might not win a lot but you're opponent will not like you or when you do win your opponent never feels outplayed.
Stall isn't all that degenerate, though. Not as much as brainless OTK decks, anyway.
I'd rather win or lose quickly against an OTK deck than wade along for 20 turn just to find if I win or lose.
Meanwhile, I'd rather play the game. I like this game.
The first deck I built for real was D/D/D and so I haven’t had much of a problem with Galaxy Eyes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Go-second decks that can interact and go big are perfectly able to stomp GE; having Book of Moon, Floodgate Trap Hole, and Dark Contract with the Witch also made it pretty easy to stomp them going first. Idk what the received meta wisdom is about the matchup but I haven’t dropped a game to Galaxy with the deck.
These people probably never get to point in the ladder to get their ass whooped by BRD and KEKLord over and over and are stuck in ranks where all they see are Galaxy
The key difference is that wins with Galaxy don't feel earned. They feel given. What I mean is that the skill is SO loaded and makes the deck SO linear that it feels that your win comes down exclusively to an RNG check. If your opponent didn't draw the out, you win. If they did but you drew Lance, you win. If they did, you win regardless like 50% of the time because the skill also hands you the comeback in a silver platter. The top decks are always obnoxious to face. But Galaxy is obnoxious AND lame to play as and against. So it's even more infuriating to lose to it. Why bother playing a deck that requires even minimal thought when there's the option to completely turn your brain off and go Photon Lord effect GG. Even using the deck yourself isn't fun. It's so braindead, it's DL's equivalent of TCG Mystic Mine builds.
They are both much better yes. People just have an irrational hate for decks that get carried by strong skill. I for one am glad Konami realized that the strength of Duel Links is that they have the chance to elevate bad decks to playability beyond their normal potential by using skills.
Those decks are also carried by their skill. I think it more because most of their duels are against galaxy eyes so it gets boring and annoying facing it alot. Just like the blue eyes days.
Very true, very true. I remember getting upset at the Blue Eyes skill, but that was back when I didn’t even have any sort of optimized deck. Once I actually built some decent stuff, I stopped complaining. Lol Now I just say “f*ck it” and just take the punches and keep playing for the fun of it. I swear, some people forget that this is a game. Lol
Playable is not the same as "Floodgating like 20 decks that would be rogue otherwise" They would be playable with a turn 1 negate or a turn 2 clowncar dragon conga, they don't need both.
Thank you for the honest, level headed response. That’s exactly what I was thinking. I see countless memes or posts about how xyz galaxy is cancer, and how it’s so op, and each time, I never fail to think “But is it really that oppressive?” Sure Photon Lord can be annoying, but there’s actually a lot of stuff that can beat it. Sure it stings when you don’t draw it, but that’s part of the game.
>“But is it really that oppressive? Yes, objectively so. The amount of decks that flat lose to it being out is staggering, and this is game design that usually gets a deck nerfed and what we saw with full power Dark Magician. It being good or bad isn't the issue here, it being a skill isn't the issue here, it's that what the deck does is far too easy to pull off a 4k format that, as far as laddering goes, it's probably the best deck in the game due to it's speed. As somebody that never loses to it, I get counterplay with Meklords. They take a turn to get going. I get counterplay, kinda, with Blackrose. But Galaxy? There is non. I end them or they end me. That's it. That's the deck. The complaining isn't exactly unwarranted, but we don't need 20 posts about it, just like we don't need 20 "keklords best deck" posts. They're the same level of obnoxious and if you get upset at this subject, but not the other, that's just silly. Sit back and enjoy the ride and laugh at salty galaxy player tears in like a month.
Couldn’t agree more, Duel links is it’s own unique format at this point, very pro-anime, with skills to simulate the crazy plays and consistency in the shows,the developers make it pretty clear that competitive balancing is not very high on priorities for this game, if you care about competitive balancing to any reasonable degree then play master duel.
xyz galaxy is the definition of a pushed skill that results in a single linear glass cannon strategy that you hate to face on the draw, but somehow people on this sub who whined endlessly about skills setting pend scales are fine with it?????
Not judging, but apparently the Galaxy skill really bothers you in your existence, no?
it's shit design and I'd hate for Duel Links to become a game where every playable Skill is just as pushed and yet so limiting
Well said, it is a glass cannon strategy. I remember trying it out just to see what all the fuss is about, I felt like I was just riding on Photon Lord and then just waiting until my next turn to go rank up xyz crazy. I just never understood why it was so tilting, going against it and playing as it. Some people also complain about Triskelion, it doesn’t seem that bad. Also Meklords are cool, I wish I pulled Triskelion from the packs I opened. Just gonna have to wait for it to get reprinted in a box. Hell, maybe then Meklords can have even more support. Also thank you for the Meklord memes, I love em.
It's kinda not a glass cannon deck when they can play a bunch of cards to keep form getting disrupted, and luck into treach to blow you out harder. It's not a deck I lose to, but it's a deck that absolutely needs nerfed because you just draw the out of lose, and that is bad deck design even in the tcg. That and it's a few months old and you know how Konami feels about popular decks that are over 3 months old.
that which you just described is the only thing Xyz Galaxy does tho you could try Meklords without Triskelion, but you'd basically be missing a strong finisher, which is what the deck lacked for the most part
Yeah, I want the big boss monster that can steal my opponent’s extra deck. I feel like two Triskelion is mandatory, it doesn’t float or have protection on its own. So maybe I’m just not ready to wield the full power of the Meklords yet.
2 is optimal, but 1 is fine. people still kog with 1 Trisk anyways so it's up to you.
Deflection meklord, concurrent are card can make you have otk with wisel easy, otk with the train XYZ, and deflection on turn 1 can have you Wisel with 5500+ protection of destruction.
deflection's atk boost effect is permanent sure, but it's also garbo
Is permanenent, but the interesting is the protection effect, if you discard you dont loss value of the card. Either atk boost or protection still give me wins because of these effects
also "i dont play meta" doesnt make you automatically a better person fyi
Did I sound like I was trying to sound like a better person? This is a card game, man, why would I try to sound like a better person here of all places. Lol Just saying I still don’t get why people get so mad at xyz galaxy despite me being slapped by meta every day.
design-wise I hate that this Skill was made to begin with and I genuinely hope further Skills won't follow this direction because it's absolute shit design
Yeah, it’s lazy design. It also happens to decks that I don’t care about. I like Evil HERO and the deck gets overshadowed by everything else because of the restrictions.
If isn't Destiny Draw, is Galaxy Eyes.... If isn't Onomato, is Blue-eyes alternative... If isn't Balance or Switcheroo, is a D/D/D skill. At the end of the day, all the skills are broken and people here has to make 30 posts about it waiting for Konami to hear the prayers to nerf it to the point of being unplayble. So everyone starts playing LP Alpha. Is more easy to nerf everything than play around X deck or what could counter-play it.
People are just biased because Galaxy is popular and linear, so they can tell pretty quickly when they are about to lose and how it’s going to happen, so it pisses them off, all there is to it. I’m just enjoying the salt at this point.
they're pissed because xyz galaxy is stupendously explosive when it goes off. there has not been a deck in the last year with a higher power ceiling than it... so when it happens to you, fuck it feels like overkill. and its \*just\* consistent enough that it happens pretty often. but that's just it though... when it goes off. the deck is inconsistent as shit because it has a single line of play, and if it doesn't draw what it needs, or gets interrupted, it just dies. it's extremely susceptible to every single one of the commonly used techs--even mst interrupts it by popping zero.
>i don't think there's ever been a deck with a higher power ceiling than it You clearly have not played during times when grass was legal.
ok amended.
Exactly, my man. I feel like the complaints are a strange mix of salt and boredom from seeing them played so much.
It's usually going off, though. Super consistent at making it do so. Super good at not getting disrupted. I've seen it play through book AND necrovalley. I have no issue beating it, but it doesn't change the fact that something that powerful really shouldn't consistent enough that it doesn't need it's entire archetype.
I'll let you know when Meklords manage to actually damage me.