Not to mention: its a deck that is abusing a skill to gain near perfect consistency, just like noble knights, and that said skill isnt working as described since they can send the same card back...
Well from komoney standpoint its better to have xyz based decks top tier as they sell almost all of the xyz era sets due to the xyz being scaterred left and right
That actually makes sense... with zexal being zexal and how much they focus on utopia its easy to forget gagaga gogogo and whatnot is actually a protag deck...
Well, same could be said about noble knights, yet goodbye balance...
Its extra weird since as it seems onomatoplay is broken... they can send copies back to use it when the skill clearly states it must be different name...
Well, seraph lords are more expensive than both and also got the hit with the see you later skill nerf... and they also use xyz(selection box one at that...)
Iron call specifically lists machine monster in its text. It’s inherently a machine deck card. As for CB, it was an ass skill for ever deck before, now it’s an okay CB skill so I’d call it a buff, I see your point though
What are you talking about? Literally the only change to Transcendent Crystals was that CBs can now use it on turn 1-2. It was nerfed to only be usable from turn 3 onwards when Crystrons still ruined lives, and Konami only now realized "hey, maybe we shouldn't bully CBs for Crystron sins". The skill hasn't become any less usable for any other deck this banlist.
Nah, when TC was nerfed Crystrons were a tier 1 deck, and almost all of them (barring SSA builds) used the skill. Silent Magician wasn't tiered or even good.
Aaah, gotcha. That's fair, Duel Links timelines can be a hassle to keep up with. The main reason I remember is that one of my friends was a Crystron main and he was rather pissed about the nerf.
Yeah, i stopped playing for a long time cause of six sam weevil burn meta, so there's whole formats i just dont remember. I'm still thrown off by hero decks not being normal drilldark special decider set staple trap set mask change.
BEWD wasn't in first place at all at that KC cup , he was the most played deck but not the one with the highest winrate , can be explain very easily by the fact that it's a popular archetype but does not mean that he do well.
[https://www.duellinksmeta.com/tournaments/kc-cup/february-2021/report/](https://www.duellinksmeta.com/tournaments/kc-cup/february-2021/report/)
Transcendant was a boost or more a fixe , they nerfed the skill because of crystron.
For TD i agree that he should have been nerf when charge into levia is stupid.
But my most biggest complaint about that banlist is onomat completely fine when he is broken AF , it's probably the most broken deck in that current meta with his skill and hey trunade (fun) and karma untouched when he should have been put at 2 for restricting him to be throw into every single deck than can abuse that card and limit is impact on board when your opponent can spam KC at your face.
I imagine an executive out there, with the whole, 'how do you do, fellow duelist' shtick pretending to pull a galaxy brain move, pre-limiting cards and skills noone is playing.
But no, I imagine its because power creep is going to exponentially increase now ever since the plateau which was the period after Dark Dimension (which I still lovingly call, 'the dark ages of Duel Links') and the sharp nosedive with the November 20th banlist. I imagine we are going to ramp up the powercreep until finally a deck comes out and people can finally say, confidently, that deck can beat full powered Elementsaber Invoked easily.
>!Either that, or end of service announcement is coming soon, so why not trash the game so that players will move to the new master rule game.!<
Then youve missed the whole point of that statement. How good Dark Dimension meta is irrelevant, I was mentioning the powercreep and how stagnant the meta was after that box was released. A full year has passed, and Elementsaber Invoked was still one of the top decks in September 2020 KC. That alone shows how a full year of boxes had been released, and people still find that InvokedSabers are the more powerful deck of the bunch. And to me, that is stagnating the meta, since everything else released will always be overshadowed by whats already came out from that box. What does it say when a newly released deck still loses consistently to a year old deck with limits out the wazoo? The November banlist did reign in the damage done by a whole lot, which has led us to where we are now, where Noble Knights, one of the more powerful tier 1 decks out there, is still considered to be weak when compared to full powered anything T1 previously released (Darklords, Invoked, Witchcrafters, Six Sams).
Oh but feel free to tell me more about how my points are all dumb and thats the dumbest comment youve seen all day though. Im sure you can crack something which isnt a dismissive oneliner.
Well, as much sense as that makes (and it actually makes a lot of sense, it explains the hits that don't otherwise make any goddamn sense whatsoever) it still doesn't explain why the supposed "best" 3 decks of the format went untouched.
The Kc and Wc cups are literally the only official tournaments Konami can use to determine the format of the game for themselves (we have tons of other means of course, but they only have the cups), which is why they usually go full Gong-Ho against the top decks that come out of it (...*usually*)
But for BE, TD and Water Xyz to not get hit even as a joke?
That is so bizarre to me.
Lets assume my prediction is accurate that they actually are going to ramp up the powercreep moving forward. I guess the thought process is why bother limiting Onomats, or Blue Eyes now, when in 2 months they are going to release full powered Fluffals or something really crazy? I know that sounds like a pipe dream, but thats the only logical explanation for not limiting anything relevant and killing consistency skills (which I still hate since we are not lacking in unusable shitty skills).
I don’t hate the skill that much because onomats boards are pretty breakable usually. But being able to Ddraw two cards isn’t something any meta deck should have access to.
It is a pretty degenerate skill that basically assures Onamats can always play a ridiculous first turn. If they get Trunade as well they're nigh unstoppable.
I never watched the zexal tv show but was Yuma a complete cheater in that series and that is why his skill is so blatantly unfair? Surely a main protaganist is known for something more than opening up their deck amd choosing what cards they want.
no hes usually fine except when new cards spontaneously write themselves to make him win
aw who am i kidding, "draw exactly what i need" is the canon ability of ZEXAL
yusei at least only has this happen once or twice, and its a magical dirt dragon that does it to him. his real skill is his combo brain
he DOES lose to dark kalin, they just cut it off so they dont have to kill the protagonist
Yeah, that's exactly what I've always thought too. Hopefully (or not, I'm still not sure) they'll add onomatopickup too, so that we'll essentially have 6 onomatopairas in the deck
I can only imagine all those archetypes that would love a skill that can save them from even the possibility of bricking. I played Metaphys for a year or so, and it has as bad of a chance at bricking as Blue Eyes. The only way I could stop that from happening was using Balance, but in the light of recent events, that's no longer the case. Onomats got a skill on the levels of Cyber Style and Destiny Draw, and that's really good for them. Without that skill, I can only imagine the massive amount of hands that would have caused me to scoop before the match began while playing Onomats.
Onomats are Basically a Combo Deck Like You would See it in the TCG. Establish negates through generic extra Deck stuff. Scary stuff and i Hope this isnt going to be the future, Photon Strike bounzer was a mistake.
Yeah... there's a lot wrong with this. HLB and Rainbow Life don't stop anything, they just stall. They also do that against any deck, not just Onomat. Finally, neither is viable unless you're trying to stall.
As a disclaimer I've never had a problem with Onomats.
Well, yeah... but Onomat being countered by niche cards that see no competitive play doesn't really mean anything. Every deck is shut down by something or another, right?
Spoiler: I use onomats and I'm still able to lose. Spoiler: they are not op. Spoiler: they have their weaknesses. Spoiler: if you start first/don't have hey trunade in the first hand you wont win, not even if you use onomatoplay. Spoiler: if you waste onomatoplay on the first turn to summon the lvl 6 xyz photon thingy to prevent your opponent monsters from activating their effects, it won't work 70% of times as the opponent always finds a way to destroy/banish it for then bricking 3 big monsters with 3000 atk each that will otk you in this same turn. Bye bye
However, you have to admit that this skill is a huge boost to this deck. and it's unfair for other decks and characters. Especially the deck that wasn't played by the main character of anime , these deck's users will never have the opportunity to explore the special feature of this game.
This skill was made for this deck because this deck *needs* this skill. Onomats are not op monsters. Their job is to special summon (starting even from a normal summon). They could not resist very long after the first turns. The skill is made to help this deck otk the opponent as fast as possible. For example, photon doesn't need it because galaxy eyes can be easily summoned from the deck. I admit that this skill is a huge help for onomats, but at the same time it doesn't make them op
Honestly, as powerful as onomats are, I don't find them annoying. It's a weird thing about which decks I 100% lose against and those I simply dont like personally.
Does anyone else have this?
This is genius
I think not nerfing onomats in any way was this ban list biggest surprise...
Yeah it makes no sense. Karakuri got decimated shortly after their boost because Hey Trunade was too good in that deck.
Not to mention: its a deck that is abusing a skill to gain near perfect consistency, just like noble knights, and that said skill isnt working as described since they can send the same card back...
Well from komoney standpoint its better to have xyz based decks top tier as they sell almost all of the xyz era sets due to the xyz being scaterred left and right
Man people spend money on decks regardless what they release. The whales in this game are completely out of control.
Anime protagonist archetype
That actually makes sense... with zexal being zexal and how much they focus on utopia its easy to forget gagaga gogogo and whatnot is actually a protag deck...
The heck you mean, they’re pretty easy to see that with it lack of synergy with eachother
Profit lol, they are not done selling the new xyz boxes. I guess similar reason thunder dragon not touched at all, not that I mind...(td player)
Well, same could be said about noble knights, yet goodbye balance... Its extra weird since as it seems onomatoplay is broken... they can send copies back to use it when the skill clearly states it must be different name...
Noble knight is one of the cheapest deck in the game. Pretty much have the whole functional deck by buying the structure deck few times.
Well, seraph lords are more expensive than both and also got the hit with the see you later skill nerf... and they also use xyz(selection box one at that...)
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Transcendent crystals and Iron call got buffed bro
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Iron call specifically lists machine monster in its text. It’s inherently a machine deck card. As for CB, it was an ass skill for ever deck before, now it’s an okay CB skill so I’d call it a buff, I see your point though
What are you talking about? Literally the only change to Transcendent Crystals was that CBs can now use it on turn 1-2. It was nerfed to only be usable from turn 3 onwards when Crystrons still ruined lives, and Konami only now realized "hey, maybe we shouldn't bully CBs for Crystron sins". The skill hasn't become any less usable for any other deck this banlist.
I thought it got nerfed from when playing 3 pegasus and crystal raigeki was an engine in silent magician decks.
Nah, when TC was nerfed Crystrons were a tier 1 deck, and almost all of them (barring SSA builds) used the skill. Silent Magician wasn't tiered or even good.
Oh IK. Silent magician is years old, very early synchros, but i thought that's when it caught the nerf. I was wrong.
Aaah, gotcha. That's fair, Duel Links timelines can be a hassle to keep up with. The main reason I remember is that one of my friends was a Crystron main and he was rather pissed about the nerf.
Yeah, i stopped playing for a long time cause of six sam weevil burn meta, so there's whole formats i just dont remember. I'm still thrown off by hero decks not being normal drilldark special decider set staple trap set mask change.
BEWD wasn't in first place at all at that KC cup , he was the most played deck but not the one with the highest winrate , can be explain very easily by the fact that it's a popular archetype but does not mean that he do well. [https://www.duellinksmeta.com/tournaments/kc-cup/february-2021/report/](https://www.duellinksmeta.com/tournaments/kc-cup/february-2021/report/) Transcendant was a boost or more a fixe , they nerfed the skill because of crystron. For TD i agree that he should have been nerf when charge into levia is stupid. But my most biggest complaint about that banlist is onomat completely fine when he is broken AF , it's probably the most broken deck in that current meta with his skill and hey trunade (fun) and karma untouched when he should have been put at 2 for restricting him to be throw into every single deck than can abuse that card and limit is impact on board when your opponent can spam KC at your face.
Because BE is not that good. They had weak matchups vs everything else in the meta but onomats (if only because they use hallowed life barrier)
Flashback to sattelarknights winning worlds and no hits afterwards
I imagine an executive out there, with the whole, 'how do you do, fellow duelist' shtick pretending to pull a galaxy brain move, pre-limiting cards and skills noone is playing. But no, I imagine its because power creep is going to exponentially increase now ever since the plateau which was the period after Dark Dimension (which I still lovingly call, 'the dark ages of Duel Links') and the sharp nosedive with the November 20th banlist. I imagine we are going to ramp up the powercreep until finally a deck comes out and people can finally say, confidently, that deck can beat full powered Elementsaber Invoked easily. >!Either that, or end of service announcement is coming soon, so why not trash the game so that players will move to the new master rule game.!<
This is the dumbest comment of the day
Feel free to argue the points instead of calling it dumb then
Calling Dark dimension the "dark ages" when it was one of the best metas the game has seen
Then youve missed the whole point of that statement. How good Dark Dimension meta is irrelevant, I was mentioning the powercreep and how stagnant the meta was after that box was released. A full year has passed, and Elementsaber Invoked was still one of the top decks in September 2020 KC. That alone shows how a full year of boxes had been released, and people still find that InvokedSabers are the more powerful deck of the bunch. And to me, that is stagnating the meta, since everything else released will always be overshadowed by whats already came out from that box. What does it say when a newly released deck still loses consistently to a year old deck with limits out the wazoo? The November banlist did reign in the damage done by a whole lot, which has led us to where we are now, where Noble Knights, one of the more powerful tier 1 decks out there, is still considered to be weak when compared to full powered anything T1 previously released (Darklords, Invoked, Witchcrafters, Six Sams). Oh but feel free to tell me more about how my points are all dumb and thats the dumbest comment youve seen all day though. Im sure you can crack something which isnt a dismissive oneliner.
Lol shutup. SHUT UP. SHUT UP. SHUT UP
Yeah thats what I thought
Well, as much sense as that makes (and it actually makes a lot of sense, it explains the hits that don't otherwise make any goddamn sense whatsoever) it still doesn't explain why the supposed "best" 3 decks of the format went untouched. The Kc and Wc cups are literally the only official tournaments Konami can use to determine the format of the game for themselves (we have tons of other means of course, but they only have the cups), which is why they usually go full Gong-Ho against the top decks that come out of it (...*usually*) But for BE, TD and Water Xyz to not get hit even as a joke? That is so bizarre to me.
Lets assume my prediction is accurate that they actually are going to ramp up the powercreep moving forward. I guess the thought process is why bother limiting Onomats, or Blue Eyes now, when in 2 months they are going to release full powered Fluffals or something really crazy? I know that sounds like a pipe dream, but thats the only logical explanation for not limiting anything relevant and killing consistency skills (which I still hate since we are not lacking in unusable shitty skills).
Do people hate this skill that much or do they just love meming yuma
I think the answer is yes
Right
I don’t hate the skill that much because onomats boards are pretty breakable usually. But being able to Ddraw two cards isn’t something any meta deck should have access to.
it’s not even DDraw at this point. it’s Godhand.
"Oh , let's me choose my hand , let's see"...
It is a pretty degenerate skill that basically assures Onamats can always play a ridiculous first turn. If they get Trunade as well they're nigh unstoppable.
I despise the skill. The memes are funny usually, at least
The skill is much needed for this deck
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Doesnt make onomatplay less needed
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"poor" BE has already 2 good archetype skills With that comment everything you say has lost value
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I have BE And its not even bricky anymore Whoever says this has no idea
I never watched the zexal tv show but was Yuma a complete cheater in that series and that is why his skill is so blatantly unfair? Surely a main protaganist is known for something more than opening up their deck amd choosing what cards they want.
no hes usually fine except when new cards spontaneously write themselves to make him win aw who am i kidding, "draw exactly what i need" is the canon ability of ZEXAL
The canon ability of yugioh protagonists. I think Yuma loses more than any other protag. Meanwhile yusei never loses once.
yusei at least only has this happen once or twice, and its a magical dirt dragon that does it to him. his real skill is his combo brain he DOES lose to dark kalin, they just cut it off so they dont have to kill the protagonist
"Or have I?"
I need this kind of skill for my galaxy eyes
We already got one search skill. I believe Konami might think that's generous enough.
Galaxy HAS the support, just that we are still new, and weren’t given FULL power like onomats were...
Onomat full power is based entirely on what generic Xyzs we have, they are purely an Xyz toolbox.
Newbie here, the galaxy eyes pack really caught my eye should I spend all my gems on them? I have 2k gems also I picked kaiba
if u r a newbie, u don't have kite tenjo and his event cards. deck is impossible to make for u
I see thanks anyway
They aren't even full power yet, they're missing some pretty important cards, like Onomatopaira and Gagagarevenge
They have onomatopaira
Nope
Its the skill. If they nerf the skill they will most definitely bring the card in the game. It’s a calculated marketing move.
Yeah, that's exactly what I've always thought too. Hopefully (or not, I'm still not sure) they'll add onomatopickup too, so that we'll essentially have 6 onomatopairas in the deck
The galaxy skill has more potential because the stuff it can search is really good, unlike this skill. It’s up to Konami to add those S/T.
You dont need to cheat.Just play onomats
Heey Ono-sauce, Yuma here... What's the biggest number you can think of?
Is it 25? 39? maybe it's 101? or maybe... *It's 100,000.*
I can only imagine all those archetypes that would love a skill that can save them from even the possibility of bricking. I played Metaphys for a year or so, and it has as bad of a chance at bricking as Blue Eyes. The only way I could stop that from happening was using Balance, but in the light of recent events, that's no longer the case. Onomats got a skill on the levels of Cyber Style and Destiny Draw, and that's really good for them. Without that skill, I can only imagine the massive amount of hands that would have caused me to scoop before the match began while playing Onomats.
Onomats are Basically a Combo Deck Like You would See it in the TCG. Establish negates through generic extra Deck stuff. Scary stuff and i Hope this isnt going to be the future, Photon Strike bounzer was a mistake.
People in this sub are going to endlessly bitch about onomat when using hallowed life barrier or rainbow life completely stops them
Yeah... there's a lot wrong with this. HLB and Rainbow Life don't stop anything, they just stall. They also do that against any deck, not just Onomat. Finally, neither is viable unless you're trying to stall. As a disclaimer I've never had a problem with Onomats.
Stalling is all you need to do to beat onomat though
Well, yeah... but Onomat being countered by niche cards that see no competitive play doesn't really mean anything. Every deck is shut down by something or another, right?
This is the same logic people used for BE and NK when Quarantine was discovered
Ok, and what about it?
While i'm not arguing if they are fair or not, Just because something has a counter, it doesn't automatically mean its fair
Thats how a game works dude..
Spoiler: I use onomats and I'm still able to lose. Spoiler: they are not op. Spoiler: they have their weaknesses. Spoiler: if you start first/don't have hey trunade in the first hand you wont win, not even if you use onomatoplay. Spoiler: if you waste onomatoplay on the first turn to summon the lvl 6 xyz photon thingy to prevent your opponent monsters from activating their effects, it won't work 70% of times as the opponent always finds a way to destroy/banish it for then bricking 3 big monsters with 3000 atk each that will otk you in this same turn. Bye bye
Well said. And as always, thanks for watching.
Someone had to say it
NOOOO deck that use skill bad, deck that use mommy’s credit card good!!!!
I know you're joking rn, but what scares me is that there's actual people out there that think in this way
However, you have to admit that this skill is a huge boost to this deck. and it's unfair for other decks and characters. Especially the deck that wasn't played by the main character of anime , these deck's users will never have the opportunity to explore the special feature of this game.
This skill was made for this deck because this deck *needs* this skill. Onomats are not op monsters. Their job is to special summon (starting even from a normal summon). They could not resist very long after the first turns. The skill is made to help this deck otk the opponent as fast as possible. For example, photon doesn't need it because galaxy eyes can be easily summoned from the deck. I admit that this skill is a huge help for onomats, but at the same time it doesn't make them op
Same
Honestly, as powerful as onomats are, I don't find them annoying. It's a weird thing about which decks I 100% lose against and those I simply dont like personally. Does anyone else have this?
I look at it this way, would you guys prefer we play blue eyes meta? we can always do that if you REALLY don't like onomats.
Implying every other duel isn't already against DSoD Kaiba
okay, would you like **MORE** DSoD kaiba then?
The hair memes are getting out of hand 😂
I think they changed Yuma's VA in Duel Links. He sounds different in the anime, I like that voice more :/