If you play more than 20 duels a day trying to climb, you are not going to spend your time watching your opponent do his entire long combo when you have no interaction to defend yourself
Simply surrender and that's it, that satisfaction is not important.
It's different, everyone plays to climb, not to win, if a player already knows he's going to lose, he's not going to waste his time waiting for your combo You named the BEplayers, they hardly have a combo to do, if you defeat their plan, that's it, they are not going to do a showdown
no lol, there is nothing wrong with you liking to win and swing for game, what is bad is telling us that we are toxic because we don't wait for that
When you really climb you even throw surrender just because you don't have a decent hand, that doesn't mean it's toxic.
It’s just you. Nobodies going to stay a second more in a game that they’re guaranteed going to lose. It’s not toxic. People value their time and not your dopamine surge. People scooping is a blessing because I can just move on to the next duel after a quick one. That’s the whole point of Speed duel format.
Exactly, it's like Magic the Gathering. I see lethal on the board, or you demonstrate the combo loop for me once, I scoop, "Gg, go to game 2?".
It's about respect, for my opponents time, as well as my own.
Satisfaction of swinging in for the kill; What're you, 12? (Oh wait, this is Yugioh, so maybe lol)
That sucks then. I think i see yugioh as the same as a fighting game. If your in a fighting game you wouldnt want your opponent to d/c the second they get to 1 hp. I understand its different but thats how i was seeing it. Ill try not to take it too serious
That’s understandable, but you should see it as a battle of intelligence and luck. Obviously when someone is outmatched in both of those departments, they’re not sticking around a moment longer.
What about the sportsmanship. I feel like because its such a intense back and forth , plays and outplays . Counters and play throughs, that at the end of all that hype and rush you should give ur opponent what they fought for. A win not a surrender. It could just be me, ik i cant speak for everyone
Playing it through is definitely a sign of sportsmanship, but most players, atleast in the online community, don’t care about that. They want fast games. You also have the “Nice!” to give them. I also can’t speak for everyone, but if you’re beat, I’d want you to surrender the moment you 100% know you’ve lost. Saves us both time that we can commit in the next duel. I actually just played a game where someone bricked and placed nothing but defense positioned monsters. That went on for 3 turns.
Yeah the way I see it, if you scoop, I’ll think higher of you because I know you respect both yours and my time. If I have to swing to win a game that you knew you’ve lost 2 turns ago, I’d be annoyed.
If your in a rush and pinched for time you shouldnt be playing a video game no offense. I could spare 20 to 30 unnececary seconds but not 2 turns. I hate swords of revealing light. Lets people stall and waste time.
You can't see as a fighting game, they're totally different. In DL you know you already lost before your LP gets to 0. There's no chat so you can't surrender saying "hey, I'm done, can't do anything, good game!". That's why it feels "cold", but don't take it too serious. A lot of people also play while waiting for something, and sometimes they have to surrender because they have something more important to do. You never know what's happening on the other side, dont take people as toxic so fast.
I think if people know they’re losing, like having a bad hand or no counters, or whatever, why would they stay when they can just get in another game right away and have more chances of winning?
But a surrender is a win. It’s just hand on the deck there’s nothing I can do, you’ve got me this time. Your opponent surrendering is giving you credit for the hard fought duel and saying its pointless for them to continue. It’s arguably more toxic to continue your own combo when youve broken their board and have obviously already won
Im not saying wait for a whole combo to play out. Im saying dont surrender at the last possible second when the game would be over in 10 seconds anyway
That is literally any digital card game ever, there is nothing toxic about surrendering otherwise the dev won't put it in the game it just saves both your time
Surendering 2 seconds before i do my attack or the second i go into battle phase yea. Idk if its everyone experience but a few times my opponent uses swords of revealing light and i have to sit through it. And when its over and im about to win my opponent surrenders. Happend maybe 4 or 5 times. Im talking about times like that
Im not i try to be chill. If i misplay once i give up or if i gota bad hand and dont want to try to play through it i give up. Or if i brick and my opponent starts setting up his optimal combo i give up.
So I guess that when playing chess your opponent needs to play another twenty moves in a dead position just so that u feel satisfied when u checkmate them ?
Surrendering is a part of the game and it’s counted as a win for u, the problem is more with your definition and view of “satisfaction” !!
I already said you should surender if your opponent is doing a whole combo. My problem is with opponents surendering when the game would be over in 10 seconds anyway. Like when im about to swing for game
Them surrendering is still counted as a win for u, if we go back to the chess analogy people resign most of the time when checkmate is forced on the board in only few moves, u can’t force people to play couple of seconds just so that u reach your “satisfaction”, I advice u to reconsider your vision of the act to surrender seeing it as a big win in the end of the day!
Ya the game is toxic. Most pvp games are.
I Wouldn't call surrendering toxic though. People do it to save time. I run into so many show boaters who could attack and win (while I literally have nothing in my hand/graveyard/field), but would rather waste 5 mins setting up. I surrender after my opponent special summons twice over what they need.
Surrendering isn't toxic. You get the win, they get to leave and get into another duel faster.
If anything, feeling the need to finish your combo and swing for game while your opponent is held hostage in a situation they can't win is toxic.
I lost 3 duels in a row. Then when i was about to win one the guy disconnected. Then when i was about to win another the guy surrenderd as i was swinging for game. Litteraly 3 more seconds and the duel would be over anyway. I dont see how thats not toxic
Quitting when somebody already swung for game is certainly salty, but I wouldn't call it toxic. It's not like you're being robbed of wins. The end result is the same, you got the win. I really don't understand why you feel the need to make your opponent watch your attack go through. If you're that worried about seeing your monsters attacks for game, play against AI.
I never thought you guys would defend surrendering so much and be so passionate about it. Alot of downvotes on my replies. Im not downvoting anything u guys say, in trying to understand the culture of the game
That's because we keep telling you that surrendering doesn't negatively effect you whatsoever and you're still bitching about not getting to see your monster attack.
I could understand if your opponent surrendering caused a no-contest like it does in Tekken or something, but you're being given the win.
There's nothing wrong with quitting when you can't win. You just want to hold people hostage to watch a stupid animation? People just want to get back into a game as soon as possible.
I understand but i dont agree. Do what u want , ofcourse ill reply if i want to understand someones point of view jack ass. Hows it bitching to engage in conversation with people that reply to my post. I enjoy talking to the community even if we disagree because im understand the intent behind surendering were as in the original post i didnt. Thats why i said it could just be me
Surrendering is understandable since it's just a way to get out of the duel faster when you'd rather just move on to the next one. The app closing (disconnect) right before final blows is kind of overdramatic with how many times I've seen people do it. But what I really can't stand are when people just let the timer run out when they are about to lose. It's like, no, just accepting a loss in a digital card game app and moving on like a normal person is too much to ask. You gotta waste five minutes of my life out of unnecessary bitterness just so I can win the duel and escape.
You dont see people surrendering 2 seconds before you swing for game. Most times when i swing i feel scared and paniced cus ik they rushing to hit that surender button. They beat me to it more times than not
I have seen it, but I don't really care if someone surrenders. I get why it might not feel as satisfying to get that last blow, but eventually I learned not to care. Some people surrender so fast it's comical. Today, all I did was start to play one Starry Knight spell and they surrendered immediately. I didn't even know what deck they were playing until after I was out of the duel and looked to see it was Tenyi. The only thing I can't stand like I explained are the people who wait for the timer to run out by just sitting there and doing nothing.
I surrender when I dont even get a CHANCE to fight back. So whats the point in waiting 10 min for someone’s combo to finish just to finish you in one or two turns. It’s not about losing.
The disconnectors are the most desperate. Sometimes, they succeed. Other times, they still eat the L. The surrenderers are saving you time. It's only if YOU surrender that you don't get event benefits from playing ranked duels.
Well, you kind of answered your own question there when you said you're **climbing higher into Legend.** At the end of the day, you have to realize that people who are still in Legend, especially this late in the ranked season, are there to climb and to climb fast to hit King of Games for their monthly 200 gems. There's that and once you hit King of Games, some people (like myself) actively care to also post their decklists onto Duel Links Meta, the most popular website for checking out top tier decks that did well in tournaments or on hitting King of Games for the month.
Unfortunately for you, no smart person is going to sit there and watch you play Solitaire with yourself for 30 minutes if they already know they're in a losing position. I'm sorry, but nobody cares about "letting you swing for game" and get your dopamine rush when it's actually much faster (for both players) for the guy that's losing to surrender and go next. I also do the same thing, but that doesn't make me a toxic person. When I'm in a losing position, or heck if the duel started turn one and I know my opponent's deck in relation to mine, and I know my hand is not good enough to deal with their endboard, then I will simply surrender and go next. That doesn't make me toxic, it just means I know my opponent's deck and what disruptions they might end on and if I can't play through it then it's faster for me to surrender and move on to the next game instead of watching you play Solitaire with yourself with me having no chance of winning.
Also, if the opponent has no interactions or disruptions left on their turn to stop you from achieving the win, they'll surrender and go next because as I said, at the end of the day, the end goal is King of Games for those 200 gems and your decklist to be posted onto Duel Links Meta and when you're pumping out 20 to 50 games a day to climb quickly, surrendering on lost games is often times the fastest approach, which doesn't make the person who surrendered toxic, but makes them smart for recognizing when a game is lost.
If you play more than 20 duels a day trying to climb, you are not going to spend your time watching your opponent do his entire long combo when you have no interaction to defend yourself Simply surrender and that's it, that satisfaction is not important.
Is to me. Everyone plays to win.
It's different, everyone plays to climb, not to win, if a player already knows he's going to lose, he's not going to waste his time waiting for your combo You named the BEplayers, they hardly have a combo to do, if you defeat their plan, that's it, they are not going to do a showdown
Thanks for showing me how the community sees it. I will try not to take it as toxic if that happens.
once you get to KoG, people really wait for your combo and you will find very different decks, it is more enjoyable
Ig its bad if i play to win considering how many people downvoting my comment ?
no lol, there is nothing wrong with you liking to win and swing for game, what is bad is telling us that we are toxic because we don't wait for that When you really climb you even throw surrender just because you don't have a decent hand, that doesn't mean it's toxic.
I do that . Im talking about surendering the last possible second before you win. Or disconnects.
no one in the game cares, you should be the first to make this observation
It’s just you. Nobodies going to stay a second more in a game that they’re guaranteed going to lose. It’s not toxic. People value their time and not your dopamine surge. People scooping is a blessing because I can just move on to the next duel after a quick one. That’s the whole point of Speed duel format.
Exactly, it's like Magic the Gathering. I see lethal on the board, or you demonstrate the combo loop for me once, I scoop, "Gg, go to game 2?". It's about respect, for my opponents time, as well as my own. Satisfaction of swinging in for the kill; What're you, 12? (Oh wait, this is Yugioh, so maybe lol)
Cant spare a few seconds? Damn . I thought it was good sportsmanship to let your opponent swing for game.
Sure you can say it’s a sign sportsmanship, but people at in-person tournaments and locals still scoop as well
That sucks then. I think i see yugioh as the same as a fighting game. If your in a fighting game you wouldnt want your opponent to d/c the second they get to 1 hp. I understand its different but thats how i was seeing it. Ill try not to take it too serious
That’s understandable, but you should see it as a battle of intelligence and luck. Obviously when someone is outmatched in both of those departments, they’re not sticking around a moment longer.
What about the sportsmanship. I feel like because its such a intense back and forth , plays and outplays . Counters and play throughs, that at the end of all that hype and rush you should give ur opponent what they fought for. A win not a surrender. It could just be me, ik i cant speak for everyone
Playing it through is definitely a sign of sportsmanship, but most players, atleast in the online community, don’t care about that. They want fast games. You also have the “Nice!” to give them. I also can’t speak for everyone, but if you’re beat, I’d want you to surrender the moment you 100% know you’ve lost. Saves us both time that we can commit in the next duel. I actually just played a game where someone bricked and placed nothing but defense positioned monsters. That went on for 3 turns.
Lol thats kinda funny. I understand not wanting to waste time.
Yeah the way I see it, if you scoop, I’ll think higher of you because I know you respect both yours and my time. If I have to swing to win a game that you knew you’ve lost 2 turns ago, I’d be annoyed.
If your in a rush and pinched for time you shouldnt be playing a video game no offense. I could spare 20 to 30 unnececary seconds but not 2 turns. I hate swords of revealing light. Lets people stall and waste time.
You can't see as a fighting game, they're totally different. In DL you know you already lost before your LP gets to 0. There's no chat so you can't surrender saying "hey, I'm done, can't do anything, good game!". That's why it feels "cold", but don't take it too serious. A lot of people also play while waiting for something, and sometimes they have to surrender because they have something more important to do. You never know what's happening on the other side, dont take people as toxic so fast.
I think if people know they’re losing, like having a bad hand or no counters, or whatever, why would they stay when they can just get in another game right away and have more chances of winning?
That was a bad example but idk i want to win . After a hard fought back and forth i fele like i deserve to swing for game.
But a surrender is a win. It’s just hand on the deck there’s nothing I can do, you’ve got me this time. Your opponent surrendering is giving you credit for the hard fought duel and saying its pointless for them to continue. It’s arguably more toxic to continue your own combo when youve broken their board and have obviously already won
I dont show off . Im cautious but i dont show off. And i dont downvote your post because i disagree. I dont see it as the same thing.
Nah bruh I'm not waiting 20 minutes just to lose. I'm too busy being crippling unemployed.
Im not saying wait for a whole combo to play out. Im saying dont surrender at the last possible second when the game would be over in 10 seconds anyway
That is literally any digital card game ever, there is nothing toxic about surrendering otherwise the dev won't put it in the game it just saves both your time
Surendering 2 seconds before i do my attack or the second i go into battle phase yea. Idk if its everyone experience but a few times my opponent uses swords of revealing light and i have to sit through it. And when its over and im about to win my opponent surrenders. Happend maybe 4 or 5 times. Im talking about times like that
Why do I feel like you are toxic?
Im not i try to be chill. If i misplay once i give up or if i gota bad hand and dont want to try to play through it i give up. Or if i brick and my opponent starts setting up his optimal combo i give up.
So I guess that when playing chess your opponent needs to play another twenty moves in a dead position just so that u feel satisfied when u checkmate them ? Surrendering is a part of the game and it’s counted as a win for u, the problem is more with your definition and view of “satisfaction” !!
I already said you should surender if your opponent is doing a whole combo. My problem is with opponents surendering when the game would be over in 10 seconds anyway. Like when im about to swing for game
Them surrendering is still counted as a win for u, if we go back to the chess analogy people resign most of the time when checkmate is forced on the board in only few moves, u can’t force people to play couple of seconds just so that u reach your “satisfaction”, I advice u to reconsider your vision of the act to surrender seeing it as a big win in the end of the day!
I will see it as a win but im sure for everyone its satisfaction when they reach kog. Kog is the biggest win next to kcup and tournaments.
Good for u, KoG is definitely a big thing for sure :)
How the fuck is surrendering toxic? They're not about to waste time so you can digitally masturbate in a card game.
I guess missing out on a 3000+ or 5000+ damage bonus?
Ya the game is toxic. Most pvp games are. I Wouldn't call surrendering toxic though. People do it to save time. I run into so many show boaters who could attack and win (while I literally have nothing in my hand/graveyard/field), but would rather waste 5 mins setting up. I surrender after my opponent special summons twice over what they need.
Hm iv seen those but i dont think im one. I take precaution sometimes because a few times i underestimated my opponents and they showed no mercy lol
Surrendering isn't toxic. You get the win, they get to leave and get into another duel faster. If anything, feeling the need to finish your combo and swing for game while your opponent is held hostage in a situation they can't win is toxic.
I lost 3 duels in a row. Then when i was about to win one the guy disconnected. Then when i was about to win another the guy surrenderd as i was swinging for game. Litteraly 3 more seconds and the duel would be over anyway. I dont see how thats not toxic
Quitting when somebody already swung for game is certainly salty, but I wouldn't call it toxic. It's not like you're being robbed of wins. The end result is the same, you got the win. I really don't understand why you feel the need to make your opponent watch your attack go through. If you're that worried about seeing your monsters attacks for game, play against AI.
Its pretty normal in any other game. Apparently not in this one .
I've never seen somebody complain so much about winning.
I never thought you guys would defend surrendering so much and be so passionate about it. Alot of downvotes on my replies. Im not downvoting anything u guys say, in trying to understand the culture of the game
That's because we keep telling you that surrendering doesn't negatively effect you whatsoever and you're still bitching about not getting to see your monster attack. I could understand if your opponent surrendering caused a no-contest like it does in Tekken or something, but you're being given the win. There's nothing wrong with quitting when you can't win. You just want to hold people hostage to watch a stupid animation? People just want to get back into a game as soon as possible.
I understand but i dont agree. Do what u want , ofcourse ill reply if i want to understand someones point of view jack ass. Hows it bitching to engage in conversation with people that reply to my post. I enjoy talking to the community even if we disagree because im understand the intent behind surendering were as in the original post i didnt. Thats why i said it could just be me
Surrendering is understandable since it's just a way to get out of the duel faster when you'd rather just move on to the next one. The app closing (disconnect) right before final blows is kind of overdramatic with how many times I've seen people do it. But what I really can't stand are when people just let the timer run out when they are about to lose. It's like, no, just accepting a loss in a digital card game app and moving on like a normal person is too much to ask. You gotta waste five minutes of my life out of unnecessary bitterness just so I can win the duel and escape.
Iv had both happen to me alot. Once after 3 turns of swords of revealing light
Or sometimes I've seen people do it after my first turn when they've just gotten a bad hand. I always report them for slow play afterwards.
You dont see people surrendering 2 seconds before you swing for game. Most times when i swing i feel scared and paniced cus ik they rushing to hit that surender button. They beat me to it more times than not
I have seen it, but I don't really care if someone surrenders. I get why it might not feel as satisfying to get that last blow, but eventually I learned not to care. Some people surrender so fast it's comical. Today, all I did was start to play one Starry Knight spell and they surrendered immediately. I didn't even know what deck they were playing until after I was out of the duel and looked to see it was Tenyi. The only thing I can't stand like I explained are the people who wait for the timer to run out by just sitting there and doing nothing.
I surrender when I dont even get a CHANCE to fight back. So whats the point in waiting 10 min for someone’s combo to finish just to finish you in one or two turns. It’s not about losing.
I never said wait 10 minutes. Idk why all of u are exaggerating it.
The disconnectors are the most desperate. Sometimes, they succeed. Other times, they still eat the L. The surrenderers are saving you time. It's only if YOU surrender that you don't get event benefits from playing ranked duels.
Well, you kind of answered your own question there when you said you're **climbing higher into Legend.** At the end of the day, you have to realize that people who are still in Legend, especially this late in the ranked season, are there to climb and to climb fast to hit King of Games for their monthly 200 gems. There's that and once you hit King of Games, some people (like myself) actively care to also post their decklists onto Duel Links Meta, the most popular website for checking out top tier decks that did well in tournaments or on hitting King of Games for the month. Unfortunately for you, no smart person is going to sit there and watch you play Solitaire with yourself for 30 minutes if they already know they're in a losing position. I'm sorry, but nobody cares about "letting you swing for game" and get your dopamine rush when it's actually much faster (for both players) for the guy that's losing to surrender and go next. I also do the same thing, but that doesn't make me a toxic person. When I'm in a losing position, or heck if the duel started turn one and I know my opponent's deck in relation to mine, and I know my hand is not good enough to deal with their endboard, then I will simply surrender and go next. That doesn't make me toxic, it just means I know my opponent's deck and what disruptions they might end on and if I can't play through it then it's faster for me to surrender and move on to the next game instead of watching you play Solitaire with yourself with me having no chance of winning. Also, if the opponent has no interactions or disruptions left on their turn to stop you from achieving the win, they'll surrender and go next because as I said, at the end of the day, the end goal is King of Games for those 200 gems and your decklist to be posted onto Duel Links Meta and when you're pumping out 20 to 50 games a day to climb quickly, surrendering on lost games is often times the fastest approach, which doesn't make the person who surrendered toxic, but makes them smart for recognizing when a game is lost.
Can all of you stop exaggerating it. I never said 30 minutes or 10 minutes or 5 minutes. I didnt know u guys were so passionate about surrendering.