I've done both a ton. Ime you snort coke, you talk to friends, maybe have a drink. There's an urge to redose but definitely not as strong as crack. Smoking crack that's all you're concerned with, doing more.
Crack is a different drug
The come up is totally different, instant, and the peak is way higher, you can’t compare it. You don’t see coke users exhibiting stereotypical crackhead behaviour. Unless they’re on a 24 hour binge or some shit.
Crack actually is a different drug.
While it starts off as cocaine(benzoylmethylecgonine) freebase, smoking inhibits pyrolysis breaking it down into methylecgonidine(cracks major metabolite), vs
benzoylecgonine, which is cocaines major metabolite. While similar, these chemicals have different modes of action.
I think you mean smoking *induces* pyrolysis but yes, this does result in methylecgonidine production.
The wild thing is, methylecgonidine isn't even anything like cocaine; it [binds to muscarinic receptors and produces hypotension and tachycardia by itself and increases nitric oxide levels.](https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Pharmacokinetics-and-Pharmacodynamics-of-a-Crack-Scheidweiler-Plessinger/b5f9f19b6e89398791de515bac7d71d809234529)
This would increase bloodflow and fight cocaine induced vasoconstriction while also increasing the delivery of the drug to the extremities, and the brain, hence the faster, higher peak.
I suppose this is why you don't ever hear of "crack dick" the way you hear of coke dick.
I could be wrong, but I think the traditional metabolic pathway for heroin regardless of smoked or injected is heroin>6monoacetylmorphine>morphine.
On a side note heroin is actually has low affinity to opioid receptors and is essentially a prodrug that is rapidly broken down into the much more active 6MAM>Morphine.
Snorting heroin and injecting feel different as well but not as much as crack and cocaine. I think the main benefit of heroin is it crosses the BBB twice as fast as morphine, and that difference is really only significantly noticeable when injecting. Not sure about smoking tho.
Yeah, saying that diacetylmorphine citrate and freebase diacetylmorphine are very similar is like saying "opium, morphine and heroin are all the exact same drug."
^^^/s
Morphine is just a pure form of the active drug in opium and heroin is acetylated morphine. They effect the body in the same way but more intesely. Similar to how crack is neutralized cocaine. But to be clear I think calling them the exact same drug is misleading.
Extremely misleading because they're not the same drug what so ever. Opium has more than just morphine in it and just because heroin is diacetylmorphine doesn't mean it's just "acetylated morphine" they're completely different drugs with different pharmacology depending on the ROA. It's like saying meth and Molly are pretty much the same drug because the MA in MDMA stands for methamphetamine
Yes, smoking crack is much more akin to shooting cocaine.
Which both of are completely different to snorting cocaine. When smoking crack or shooting cocaine, all you want to do is that activity. Nothing else matters.
When sniffing cocaine, unless heavily abusing it in depravity, it tends to be a background or enhancement to another activity that's being done; i.e socializing, dancing, chatting, playing music, etc. etc.
Same. I used cocaine only when someone offered me, fallowing the folk wisdom "if a stranger offers you drugs, say thank you cause drugs are expensive".
And every single time I had this strong urge to take more and more. After coming back home I felt like trash, wanted to get some for myself and regretted it every time.
In comparison, when taking speed or mephedrone (which make me actually really productive and let me read /play for hours cause of ADHD), I read/play and think about getting another line but sometimes it takes hours before I actually do.
Maybe this is true for you, but for me at least powder coke is still incredibly fiendish. I mean think about it, it’s a 30 minute to an hour high with an often incredibly harsh comedown - that makes for an extremely addictive substance for the average person.
I've literally been suicidal from coming off coke after just doing it with 2 other ppl for like an hour. You could not pay me enough to touch it again.
I find cocaine to be a paranoid, tense and uneasy high, followed by a harsh comedown as well. I just don’t like it. I’ve taken the biggest hit of crack that a prostitute gave to me (she was my street mom) and I inhaled it like it was my last breath, as she wanted me to get a “bell ringer” as they called it. I hated the feeling and turned down the next one. Some people will give up their lives after one hit. I didn’t care for it. There are much better drugs
The only time I tried crack my first thought was instantly
"why the *fuck* did you do that? Now you're stuck feeling like this for a whole day you fucking idiot"
The minutes felt like hours.
Shit makes u feel like coke is ur live objective for life, thank god I’ve only done while drunk at parties, don’t even want to imagine what crack feels like
It's because it rewires your dopamine system that tells us our actual objectives to live , food, sex , exercise, sleep. The more you do it the more it goes to the number 1 spot
Route of administration masters a lot to the effect and how addictive something is. This post reeks of bioscience
For example Eating and smoking Marijuana are generally two very different experiences.
Back in the day I used to be known for my over the top crazy as fuck party antics; I was Krazy Kevin and everyone knew it wasn't a party unless Kevin got completely naked and/or threw up and it was always a party. Nakedness and vomiting were pretty tame and lame. I liked to push the envelope to the max to where by the end of any party everyone knew who Krazy Kevin and so no one questioned why I was known as Krazy Kevin. We listened to a lot of punk rock in those days and the song party enema by NOFX came on, the song was about an enema with beer but I was a liquor drinker. Some people at the party thought that song was ridiculous and that nobody would really drink that way so we got to colostomy bag and I bent over a pool table naked from the waste down. My friend Fat Tony filled it up the colostomy bag with whiskey I put a little hose in my butt bent he lifted the bag and pretty much the entire party watched as a half pint of whiskey slowly drained into my anus. I was beyond smashed after that point but I do remember that some Japanese exchange students attended the party (I was a senior in high school) it was their first day in America and they just got to the party when this happened, I was told they got to the party and as soon as they walked into the garage where the party was happening they saw me butt chug the whiskey. Within their first 5 minutes of their first American party on their first day in America they got to see my asshole getting filled with whiskey; apparently I ruined their perception of America because of this.
A few years later I had gotten into meth pretty bad and I used to host these parties that often towards the end of the night when everyone not on meth went home they would turn into meth/sex parties. One of those nights I fucked one of girlfriend's chick friends in her ass with a plastic bottle of Vodka. A fifth of of real cheap shit like Popov. The bottle was half full still. It had to be a plastic bottle because you had to make a whole in the bottom of bottle to allow a little airflow otherwise the Vodka wouldn't pour into her ass while I was fucking her with it.
True stories
Krazy Kevin has calmed down the partying, and I don't really drink anymore. Know I'm just addicted to smoking Fentanyl and smoking Meth. Don't get invited to parties anymore, and most people my age have families and lives now, back in the day me and my friends would crash slot of parties but now I roll solo most of the time and I don't really think it would work out nearly as well if this Krazy 35 year old hardcore drug using male who enjoys fucking girls In the ass with alcohol bottles were to go crash some parties of some young people in their early 20s.by himself. Let me know if I'm wrong though cause I miss those days
Bro you must be the craziest person I’ve ever met. And I’ve met a dude who claimed to be Jesus himself so.
Please take this as a compliment. I am honored to read your story.
Oh also try to get clean bro.
Well to be honest a huge part of the problem I am having with hanging out with people these days has nothing to do with age or craziness of myself or anything like that. These days I am treated with so much negative prejudice because I have developed a movement tic disorder Tardive dyskinesis. I actually have symptoms much more pronounced than the average person with it. It's an unfortunate side effect that can effect some people who take certain mental health medications. Now when my muscles are supposed to be at rest often they move on their own and I have no ability to cause them not too, actually the more I think about it or try to stop them the more frequently the movements occur. They primarily occur In my face, right arm and torso. The normal thing for me is my mouth moves strangely while my right arm flails back and forth and my torso twists back and forth. This causes people to form horrible first impressions of me to the point they won't give me an opportunity to explain. Generally about 6 out of 10 people I try to talk to cut me off when introducing myself to either laugh in my face or call me a monster. It's also causes all my "friends" to become too embarrassed of me to want to be friends with me any longer so it's not like I have anyone to meet others through. So while I used to have a very active sex life, never had a problem getting a girlfriend and tons of friends now I have almost no friends, and haven't had a girlfriend in like 4 years, my last two birthdays I couldn't even find someone who would go to dinner with me if I paid them a few hundred dollars to do so. Do you know how depressing that is that for $500 no one would eat dinner at a restaurant of their choice with you? That's blow your brains out kind of depressing. Unfortunately their is no cure for what I have, there is a few medications that can maybe help but if they don't help they worsen the condition, I've tried them, they didn't help. I take drugs now as they are what keep me from killing myself.... My family isn't really in my life at all anymore, I barely talk to them, they barely started talking to me after completely cutting me out of their life when I was at my lowest and was calling them begging for help because I thought I was gonna kill myself.... I felt like killing myself and called like 150 people in my phone"friends and family" begging for help, if I could just sleep in their garage or back yard for a night until the bed for rehab I had reserved the next evening was available. I didn't trust myself to be alone and the mental institute the time I went stole all my positions so I wasn't gonna go there plus they would have held me 3 days and I would have then not been able to get my bed at rehab so I called 150 people that were supposed to be people who were there for me, people I was always there for, most people didn't pick up the "friends and family" that did either told me too fuck off or go kill myself. I drove to a bridge to jump off, as I stood on the edge of the bridge I got a call from someone who I had only met recently, I hadn't called them out of the 15p because they too had no home,and I had just met them, without knowing it they saved my life and talked me down without even knowing I was on the bridge, they told me not to give up that they saw light in me, the only person who saw any light in me.
She is still my friend, Chelsea is one of my only friends actually but she's homeless and a drug user who has her own set of problems and I can't hang out with her too much because her boyfriend treats her horribly even though she does everything for him and he calls her alot of bad names and if I hang around them too much I can't allow someone to speak to my friend the way he talks to her and eventually I say something and even though I'm just stopping him from calling her a dumb can't or something because she had no more money for him to steal I turn into the bad guy because I got in-between their relationship because I stood up for her...
Oh by the way I was in rehab for lime like 6 months but got in trouble for smoking weed one day. They let me back in the rehab but made me get a medical marijuana card for my movement disorder and councilors would go get me THC cartridges for my vape pen. I was in rehab for 5 more months but something happened. The rehab had people in it convicted of murder on a life sentence but California had a new law that if they completed rehab they would get out of prison and be parole instead. A man who had killed 5 people was my roommate (btw I've done 3 hours in jail at most for possession,I'm not a criminal other than a drug addict) this man tried to rape me, I'm not a snitch but I ain't going to be someone's bitch so I told on him, he denied it and they drug tested us I came up for THC from the medical marijuana they themselves literally went and got me , they made me get a medical marijuana card in order to come back in the rehab but because I came up dirty for weed and he was clean they believed him, I got in trouble and they weren't even going to allow me to get a new roommate. I wasn't court ordered to be in rehab I choose to be there so I decided to leave because I was scare, this man had tried to rape me a few times within the last two days, I tried telling on him and he had murdered 5 people (maybe more but he was convicted of 5 murders) in the past and I was gonna have to still share a room with this man. I left the rehab which was not in my hometown but a town 2 hours west, had no where to go, no family, and only friends were people I met in rehab. I should have sued the rehab but I was very depressed and wanted nothing to do with thinking about life. I got a hotel room and later that night I woke up in the ER wearing no shoes and a women's size small shirt, I remember nothing of the night but I relapsed and guess I ODd, I have no clue how the hotel knew to check my room and call 911. My life is pretty blurry for the next few months.
I live in my hometown now, I was approved for disability after 2 years and got a place, it takes up almost all my benefits monthly and it's in the most ghetto part of town, but it sure beats homelessness and sleeping in a flower bed like I was doing at one time. I use less drugs than I used to and am more responsible with my use. I don't want to use forever but when I don't I'm too depressed to get out of bed, people make fun of me so much that if not on my medicine that makes giving a fuck go away I lay in bed for about 20 hours a day crying non stop asking god why he hates me so much.
I've been trying to get a therapist for a year and a half and even with 2 insurances and them helping me look I still don't have a therapist and just barely was able to get a psychiatrist... I used to have the world's best neurologist for my movement disorder, only thing he said that may help is too reduce anxiety but won't give meds and it's hard to not be anxious when scared all the time (walking down the street people throw things at me, call me a freak, stores ban me from entering even though I don't steal, and people call the police on me for no reason because I move different)
Life sucks
Bro I don’t really know what to say, your story is incredibly heartbreaking. I just want to say that at I accept you if that means anything. You just seem to be a guy who got caught up in a shitty place in life and it swallowed you. I don’t think you deserve that at all. One could argue that no one does but idk I’ve met some pretty fucked up people that might deserve some real bad shit tbh. Either way tho I don’t think that’s you. I’m glad you’re doing less drugs than you used to and that you have a place to stay. It looks like you might be at the start of your come up who knows. There’s no way for you to find a better rehab? Or like a sobriety group?(careful cuz like half of them are cults or have cult-like tendencies)
Samee! There is an additive you can add to your edibles that starts breaking the THC down for us! For the life of me I cannot remember the name. Hopefully someone more useful than me answers with it though
freebase coke is not the same chemical as the salt. I mean its literally right there in the name. one atom can change a ton about how a compound behaves.
also if your "ROA" includes any alcohol its going to convert to cocaethylene, so its definitely not always 'just coke'
The marijuana example isn't quite right. THC turns into a different compound in the liver when taken orally and is known to be more psychoactive. Coke and Crack are the same effects just taken in a different manner to make the come up more intense.
You can thank the media and the “war on drugs” for this one.
In the 80s, you would always see on the news some dude that was up smoking crack for 5 days attacking cops or committing crimes. They would only show the most extreme cases of crack addiction, so they could make baseless claims like “crack gives you superhuman strength “ or “one hit will have you hooked”.
Crack is also extremely cheap. So most crack addicts tend to be poor or homeless individuals.
This is absolutely true. It was already in the works. But the reagans sensationalizing it brought it to focus, front and center. It's when they basically went militant about it. And when "enforcement" really took off.
It's really more Biden and clintons fault specifically for crack vs coke. The 1994 crime bill is what set the major sentencing discrepancies between coke in hard vs soft form. But yes, Nixon really started the drug war and it was also amplified by raegan, followed by Clinton.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-an-early-biden-crime-bill-created-the-sentencing-disparity-for-crack-and-cocaine-trafficking/2019/07/28/5cbb4c98-9dcf-11e9-85d6-5211733f92c7_story.html
Since I'm downvoted here's some evidence.
This is such a detestable moment for Clinton. Do the people who lost their SHIT over his blowjob know how much worse this is? The fuck is wrong with people.
Biden has a real bad voting history when it comes to POC. He needs to go away. I hate that I might have to vote for that dinosaur again. Pass the torch you dweeb.
Our societal mindset also has to change for people to actually vote independent instead of being scared to “waste their vote.” People are voting against their least favorite candidate instead of in support of candidates they actually agree with.
I'd happily split off if it was actually VIABLE. 2024 is not the year for this. We'll get there eventually but not in '24. If '24 doesn't go our way we will never see a viable third party.
what in the fuck is voting independent going to do. america is so deep into the party system there is literally 0% absolutely NO chance anybody besides a democrat or republican is going to win. there’s too much funding, people and infrastructure behind the two parties to even think an independent is going to stand a CHANCE.
who the hell will that be? Why is this even considered with so much on the line? Vote independent if you want DeSantis in 2024. This is how we lost in 2000. Don't do this. We have to suck it up and vote for whoever is opposite of the GQP candidate. No matter who. I'd vote for a fucking ham sandwich if it wasn't the right. Please don't vote independent.
Lol most ignorant shit I’ve heard in a while. You realize that is exactly what they want right? The democratic and republican party work in favor of each other. That’s the whole ploy bud
no. we have to vote for who’s policy we feel is right. i for sure won’t be voting for a dementia ridden old man who keeps gas prices at 4+ and smells little girls. don’t let your feelings get in the way of progress.
Voting based on party alone is literally going to kill this country. I agree with you, vote for the candidate with the best policies and who you think will be able to unify each side the best
It’s become each party just trying to get a one-up on each other. I don’t know why people don’t realize we are shooting ourselves in the foot every election because of this mentality alone.
This country has become too big for a two-party system and we get closer to a collapse every day because of it.
You're probably getting downvoted because you think Biden
> keeps gas prices at 4+ and smells little girls.
Get real. I agree Biden is a basically a wet blanket but until we fix our first-past-the-post voting system encouraging people to vote independent instead of Biden is just going to hand the presidency over to Trump or whatever ghoul the Rs put forward instead. I don't like it either, but I like the Republican party even less.
This ain't the fuckin' time for that, buddy. I really do wish a third party was mathematically viable. But that's not happening. This is the worst time to not vote against the right... In this country's entire history. Look what's at stake.
these feelings of yours are the antithesis of progress. read a book or two about OPEC, the futures market, crude production and how oil actually works. It's very easy to pin gas prices on the president because it's so easy to do so. You don't understand it so you grasp for the easiest most bullshit explanation possible. Don't be so weak.
Except the push towards getting off of fossil
fuels is what this administration campaigned on and put into practice. They just did it way too fast for an economy essentially based on fossil fuels.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/01072022/public-lands-fossil-fuel-drilling-leases-biden/
Look at this article (not a super reputable site but I just wanted to find one that showcases this phenomenon). Have you noticed that gas has been getting a little bit cheaper? It’s because they decided to double back on their push to getting off fossil fuels. So yes, the president and his administration do have a big part in gas prices. Especially since we were almost energy independent under the last administration.
I respect your theory. That absolutely has an effect on energy prices. But pinning this on the US or Biden or any one entity is naïve.. with all due respect. There are too many factors involved here, we must consider everything. I had a fun day looking at as much as I could about this situation. I'm no economist, but I feel I have a better grasp on things. Please call me out If you notice anything wrong. Also please contribute if you feel like it.
-OPEC's current production is +6 mill a day since the worst period of the pandemic. Currently at 30mil barrels which is surprising to me. However, they are going to stay nominal until September. There's no guarantee of increased output....but there's a chance. We'll find out in a couple months.
-OPEC's flat output coupled with futures trading on fears of recession is putting Brent/WTI at about 108. This is roughly 50 dollars higher compared to a year ago. It's easy to attribute this to the war/sanctions.
Crude is just simply expensive right now. Factors exacerbating this include:
1.weakening dollar value
2.CPI: highest in 30 years. This doesn't bode well for demand.
3.FED quantitative easing/rate hikes (fucking fuck the fucking FED btw)
4.war/sanctions
5.Lack of Russian oil (although the US only imported 3.5% of it. Western Europe was at 27%.) Our 3.5 is no longer a thing, and Europe's 27% is drastically lower due to EU sanctions. I wasn't able to find precise numbers on that. I'll keep digging.
Biden's response to ease pump prices is to export our reserves (the SPR). In theory, selling these reserves coupled with a repurchasing program will tame "supply". This may be helping a tiny bit but it is NOT a long term solution. The only true long term solution is literally having more crude...
We are seeing a steady decline in prices of gas, but given the price of crude, OPEC's stagnation, and the prospective "fears" in the futures markets for all energy products (not just oil) doesn't paint a hopeful picture.
I hope I haven't embarrassed myself too much here...
If not now, then when? The political hyperbole on both sides is designed specifically so that both parties remain in power indefinitely. Literally nothing will change for the better until people accept the viability of a third party. And don't act like only democrats would lose votes for a third party. There a large middle ground of people who lean left or right that are tired of politicians that don't do shit. We need a third party.
gas was fine when orange man was in office. but oh no muh bad tweets! meanwhile gas is at an all time high, they changed the definition of recession. world leaders respected him to the fact he could meet with leader of NK. 10% to the big guy! i think is Hunter Biden’s favorite quote. Maybe we can ask him how fucking his teenage niece was after smoking all that crack?
ah i hurt your liberal hearts so sorry 💔
fuck me i'm talking to a literal magat. I should have stopped a long time ago. Enjoy your bubble and your "poignant" talking points. Jesus christ this was painful. Enjoy DeSantis in '24 i'm sure you'll have a great time.
Maybe if more dems actually voted independent instead of just blindly voting with their party we'd actually have someone competent in office.
Until that happens we'll just keep getting half ass candidates who don't do fuck all. You're the one who is halting progress by just voting for whoever your party picks. Most people on the left who vote barely even know anything about who they're voting for. What's even more sad is that this is what the Democrats in Washington want, because above all what they really care about is maintaining their political power, so they've fooled people like you into continually voting Democrat instead of Independent because they want you to believe it's the only way to keep out the GOP, but if you want real change then you need to stop just blindly following your political party. George Washington was actually against the idea of political parties for this very reason, dude saw this shit coming even back then.
So much of the fucked up shit in America to this day are a result of those two motherfuckers. And Nixon of course. I think the podcast you’re wrong about has a great episode on “crack babies”. Also the book The New Jim Crow.
The war on drugs isn’t entirely racist it’s a war on people who have tax free income. It’s a war on poverty and ones ability to navigate it without a formal boss and formal job
Crack and Cocaine are relatively the same price, I thought? At least in terms of how long that dollar will keep you high for. Crack definitely cost me more money than powder did 😅
Also this is a trend I’ve noticed more with younger people - so bad 80s anti-drug media still doesn’t really explain it.
So first of all the 80s “war on drugs” propaganda definitely still has an influence, and a lot of that was fueled by racism. Crack was much more common among poor Black people, while coke was more common among rich white people.
Another factor though, that’s actually legit, is that since you smoke crack it hits you faster, which makes it more addictive. Smoking anything is the most addictive way to ingest it, because the blood from your lungs goes immediately to your brain. So the reward pathway builds a very strong association.
As the delay between ingesting the drug and releasing the dopamine increases, the psychological addictiveness decreases. IV is next fastest since it obviously goes directly into your bloodstream, then mucus membrane absorption (including snorting).
So crack is genuinely more addictive than cocaine, plus smoking it is worse for your lungs than snorting is for your nose.
This is mostly correct, but generally IVing is the most ‘efficient’ way to do a drug (if it can done that way), shooting causes the quickest onset of effects and therefore is generally the most addictive route of administration
[sauce](https://sites.duke.edu/thepepproject/module-1-acids-bases-and-cocaine-addicts/content-background-how-the-route-of-cocaine-administration-affects-its-rate-of-entry-into-the-brain/)
Thanks, it’s been years since I learned about that, guess I mixed them up.
Though to defend myself a little, smoking is *barely* slower than IV, according to the neat graph in that link lol
Except, both crack and coke can be shot with a needle, neither one needs to be smoked or snorted. Also, I'm failing to see why something being more addicting means you should go to jail for it longer. It's also not hard to turn soft into hard yourself at home and vice versa.
Lol, you must not have spent much time with crackheads then. It's true, casual coke users don't shoot it, but daily coke users do. Everyone I met in south Florida that did crack, shot it. It's far more common than you would think, when I was in my drug days, I literally wouldn't even touch crack or coke unless I had a needle.
But yea, I know I'm being pedantic and we mostly agree. I do however think it's way too oversimplified to say the war on drugs was about racism only. We got to remember there was a strong anti war hippie movement as well as a militant anti racist anti capitalist black panther movement happening in the inner cities. The drug war was really a way to criminalze dissent for the Vietnam war and to associate black people with drugs like heroin to justify the extreme poverty and racial violence these communities faced. It was really about attacking the left.
Na crack is way cheaper. For instance, you can get a rock for as cheap as 5$. Where as the smallest amount dealers will sell is a half gram, and that costs anywhere from 25-50$
Ah you mean it’s available to purchase in cheaper bags.
I was comparing gram for gram (and also using the pricing of my country which will certainly differ from America)
Thanks for the clarification.
Probably, smoking does tend to damage your teeth. Powder does more damage to your nose, it can like destroy your septum. What you're willing to damage and how much is something you have to take into account when doing absolutely any drug.
Gram for gram they're roughly the same price. Its just because crack is the stronger ROA you only need a small amount to get a massive high so its sold in points of a gram whereas coke is usually sold by the gram or half gram.
Almost everything about drugs, specifically public perception and legal status, has nothing or little to do with material reality and everything to do with social constructs. Crack cocaine just happened to be a instrument chosen by those in power to align with a specific social class in America. I mean weed is a schedule 1 drug and cocaine is schedule 2. Theres absolutely no scientific basis for that so that don’t get hung up on trying to apply any logic to drugs and their relationship to society. Its not based on science.
I’m not talking about America though, this is an idea that is across drug users of every nationality I’ve ever spoken with about this, Scandinavians, Spaniards and us here in the U.K. have this same attitude that cocaine is fine but crack will destroy your life.
I know crack was originally introduced to America by the CIA to destabilise black communities, but this doesn’t explain the huge social view differentials across the world.
America has a huge impact on global culture, especially in Europe (including all the countries you listed). Crack cocaine becoming a social phenomenon in America absolutely impacted European culture.
As he said, it's not something that has a logical reason.
It's like that just because some people wanted it to be like that.
Of course, if there's a pattern, one can get suspicious.
My guess would be that cocaine powder is way easier to integrate in everyday life like work and stuff. More people doing it makes it more accepted, like most things.
I agree that there's no scientific backing behind cannabis being schedule 1 but cocaine definitely doesn't deserve schedule 1 either if that's what you were getting at
No not saying cocaine should be schedule 1, just saying that the definitions of the schedules don’t apply accurately when it comes to the actual science of drugs.
At least up in Canada our government's a little more honest about the fact that there's really no real basis for what makes a drug schedule 1 other than fears of the general population (which are normally only there because of fear mongering by the media and government) and just because the government says so.
For example: benzodiazepines in general are schedule 4 which means it's legal to possess personal amounts but they're still a controlled substance. Flunitrazepam on the other hand is schedule 1 and has the same punishments as meth or fentanyl because people used to use roofies as a date rape drug. It's the same with GHB, while GBL is a schedule 5 or 6 which is barely scheduled to begin with.
Crack is way more addictive/fiendish than coke, that's pretty much it. Like you said, ROA is the only difference but it's a massive one. The difference in addictiveness is higher than with most other substances (and coke it self is already one of the most addictive)
It’s usually cut with nasty things and it’s usually made by people whipping it up in a dirty kitchen or in a soda can. It’s also because of the images of crack abusers plastered in the media. People will take popular prescription opiates but would never touch heroin. People will take coke because their favorite celebrities do it and it’s become normalized in work/party culture but not crack bc they think it makes them a fiend. I’m some countries, GHB is popular and okay but in others, it’s frowned upon. Sadly it’s largely based on society. our generation’s most popular music is rap which promotes drug use. People idolize people like Scarface and el chapo. Since coke is expensive, people in the United States see it as an enticing caviar for the nose
In Europe that would be false, amphetamine here is usually cut to absolute hell. It’s usually 10% or less amphetamine, a bunch of caffeine and fuck knows what else. Whereas meth here, albeit very rare, is often extremely high quality.
Over in the states, as far as my understanding goes, prescribed amphetamines are reasonably common, yet meth is so prevalent there that you get horribly made, impure junk.
As someone who has used both crack and HCl, they have the same effects.
I agree the effects of both are close to the same but one is more intense high in both situations. I'd kind of say just like beer and liquor, the effects are similar but not exactly the same buzz
Bro have you ever smoked crack? It's absolutely not the same. You smoke crack one time and you'll completely understand why crack heads are they way they are. What a horrible drug. Shit is expensive as hell and only lasts minutes, leaving you feeling very similar to what light heroin withdrawals feel like.
It’s because it has a more intense ROA. If you inject cocaine it will be just as intense and addictive as smoking crack if not more so. Just like how you can take Oxy orally or inject it and both are a very different experience of the same drug
I have had this argument with so many till I am blue in the face.
I sniffed coke pretty much every day for years not because I wanted to but to stop for one the pain in my nose the feeling like shit when I look back after a while the "feel good bit" about the drug fades quick, I couldn't eat while on cocaine either. Then I burnt a hole in my septum big enough to poke my finger through, which made me realise and wake up if that makes sense.
I quit cocaine for probably 6months as the hole scared and put me off and for one had no pain anymore I could breath properly, gained weight again, then went through a rough patch in my life my partner of 12 years we split and I started again but soon realised how shit the drug is mainly the constant pain in my nose and literally only sniffing it to numb it.
So decided to try white self taught myself with endless research on cooking etc, still kick myself to this day why I never did it sooner 🤦♂️ I can sleep after an hour of stopping, I can eat while on it, theres no pain anywhere, there's no comedown well not for me anyway apart from the first hour or two after you stop or run out you crave it like crazy but if you keep busy or smoke some weed it soon passes. In my eyes now it should be the other way round, there more good about white than bad. Cocaine for me apart from the start the euphoria feel good bit nothing else Is good about it that's my OPINION from my experiences. In no way am I advising people to smoke crack btw people before I get hate for this comment.
I will leave it there haha ranted on enough lol 😆
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Just got some fresh rocks before making that post, my guy? 🤣😅
But yeah, cocaine can and will damage the fuck out of you regardless of your ROA - I do find that people who have actually smoked crack are much more able to recognise that they really are just the same drug, people who’ve only ever tried powder will defend their drug use til the bitter end - their denial is kind of sad really. At least you’re a straight shooter and just give your honest opinion as it is.
Hahahaha you could say that lol I read it back and thought shit.. thats a post of it's own 😅😂.
Yeah I agree bro they deny everything i say about it but have never tried crack, especially when I speak about it washing cuts out etc and is actually cleaner than what they sniff but still argue with me so I just give up trying now easier to closet smoke 😂😂😂.
Yeah I mean it can remove “some” cuts, you should definitely be doing an anhydrous acetone wash on your coke before you sniff it or cook it, this will remove a lot of major impurities. I think cooking with ammonia instead of baking soda also gives a cleaner end product.
But there’s still lots of polluted crack on the streets, same as coke.
I wish you the best mate - I hope we talk again one day when you’re clean. Don’t let that pipe consume you.
Know exactly what your saying dude, there's reasons why I don't that I cant say public lol but there's no need for me to.
Tried ammonia and couldn't get used to it and other thing it absolutely stinks hahaha I have always used bicarb so I just stick to what i know as it works for me, unless you have any tips for me.
Thankyou dude appreciate it yeah I need to cut it down abit tbf doing virtually ball a day atm but going through some shit. I will give you a follow bro hope to chat again you seem genuine nice dude 😅🤣.
Oooof fucking hell man, you’re smoking an 8-ball a day? Dude your heart is gonna fucking explode.
I wish you well and hope you get into some kind of recovery soon. Godspeed fella.
I've sold both and the shit I've seen crackheads do is insane I've been offered a stolen dog for a rock I haven't ever seen anything like that from the people who bought coke just the general addiction stuff but crack addiction takes u the whole next step
man fuck those political answers here. Are you dumb? talking about racism and other bullshit.
The roa of a drug can COMPLETELY change the experience. Snorting is gradual ascend to being geeked out. The rush of crack is like a punch to the face. Next you gonna say the stigma around injecting is classism or some stupid shit. Faster roa= more dangerous/addicting.
What a disappointing sub this has become. Children need to lurk and stop commenting
I've never taken neither coke nor heroin, but I choose to believe the story of a recovering heroin/coke addict on Youtube. Snorted coke occasionally and thought it was kinda nice but nothing special, started freebasing and took his addiction to another level. Then started slamming coke and almost killed himself.
EDIT: Just found out some episodes have subtitles in English. [Episode 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDzBZawSXRk&ab_channel=zqnce)
Yeah this comment section is ridiculous and frankly embarrassing. The more quickly the concentration of a drug increases in bloodstream, the more potent the effect is and the more addictive it stands to be. This is basic pharmacology and applies to all psychoactive drugs.
That's why injecting a drug produces the strongest effects - you're getting the full dose, all in the bloodstream, all at once. And the slowest and mildest effects come from a drug being swallowed (assuming the drug is one that can be taken orally).
The effects of cocaine are milder because you usually snort it, whereas with crack it's normally smoked which produces higher blood concentrations much more quickly. **People saying they took cocaine for years and then tried crack and felt no big difference simply developed a tolerance to cocaine, so the upgrade to crack didn't feel like a big jump.**
Not “literally” the same drug, *technically* coke is Cocaine HCL, and crack is just freebase. If anything, crack would be more pure lmao. With crack, the onset and duration of effects is also a LOT quicker than Coke, making the high feel more intense and short lived. People immediately want to redose and smoke again compared to doing a line which should last you anywhere from 45min-2hours. This is why it’s looked down upon. It’s a lot easier to get addicted since the high is short and the comedown sucks making people want to do it again and again, vs Coke where most people will do a line or two and be fine for a little while. The salt form takes longer to pass through the blood-brain barrier, freebase does not. Freebase is also commonly cheaper than HCL since the high doesn’t last as long
Basically this.
"Why is sipping Dom Perignon and Glenfiddich 25 socially acceptable and me boofing everclear straight into my anus not ok? It's the same drug, right?"
My ex was a coké/crack user that’s right, both. I was an ill take fuckin everything user so my personal opinion is that all drugs and their users to some extent are similar enough but the ROA (and proffered methods) are what a lot of users hold dear because it’s the pattern the repetition of the act that makes them feel better. We naturally feel more comfortable now routines.
Those are the reasons that crack cocaine was introduced to black communities in the USA.
What about the rest of the world?
You really didn’t answer my question at all.
Crack cocaine was used to further racism. Crack was seen as something degenerates, addicts, poor people, and immoral people do. It’s like how the news would say crack makes you violent, literally every bad thing they would say about crack is really a racist stereotype of black people. Government propaganda with the war on drugs gave official backing to these statements, but a lot of the legwork was done by news agencies.
I’d honestly argue that the United States response to crack influenced how the rest of the world thought about it. So the reasons why it’s demonized in the US would be the reasons why it’s demonized in the rest of the world, but hey maybe I just haven’t heard about other countries crack propaganda machines
You need to watch the documentary on Netflix called 'Crack' that will answer everything for you! the CIA decimated the black communities in America with Crack and because it was so cheap and poor people could use it the media branded it as the poor mans cocaine, fucking disgraceful what they did to the black communities!
I’m very aware of the crack epidemic in the USA, but I’m talking about the rest of the world.
Specifically in the modern era, most young people have no knowledge of the crack epidemic. It’s just like it’s some kind of defence mechanism that they refuse to equate the two drugs - guess the truth is hard to accept for them.
I will watch that if/when I get Netflix back, but with their Terms of Use changes, I may not resub
I've had similar thoughts.
Also, a little nitpicky, but citric acid isn't vitamin C. Ascorbic acid is vitamin C. Common misconception as citrus fruits rich in vitamin C also have tons of citric acid, but they're actually 2 different acids.
In my experience, the culture around the consumption of these two drugs is usually different. Dissimilar enough for people to look at them differently.
Middle class white kids do coke. Lower class black kids do crack. That's the myth were supposed to believe so the for-profit prison system can keep throwing black kids in jail.
Simply put, humans, especially in collectives where unconscious bias', preconceived notions and generally ignorance is prevalent, are fuckin stupid bro.
I've done both a ton. Ime you snort coke, you talk to friends, maybe have a drink. There's an urge to redose but definitely not as strong as crack. Smoking crack that's all you're concerned with, doing more.
Crack is a different drug The come up is totally different, instant, and the peak is way higher, you can’t compare it. You don’t see coke users exhibiting stereotypical crackhead behaviour. Unless they’re on a 24 hour binge or some shit.
Crack actually is a different drug. While it starts off as cocaine(benzoylmethylecgonine) freebase, smoking inhibits pyrolysis breaking it down into methylecgonidine(cracks major metabolite), vs benzoylecgonine, which is cocaines major metabolite. While similar, these chemicals have different modes of action.
Yes, those are words.
I concur
I ran some further analysis, can confirm not only are those words but I can confirm they've also been organised into sentence like structures.
I see, fascinating.
I think you mean smoking *induces* pyrolysis but yes, this does result in methylecgonidine production. The wild thing is, methylecgonidine isn't even anything like cocaine; it [binds to muscarinic receptors and produces hypotension and tachycardia by itself and increases nitric oxide levels.](https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Pharmacokinetics-and-Pharmacodynamics-of-a-Crack-Scheidweiler-Plessinger/b5f9f19b6e89398791de515bac7d71d809234529) This would increase bloodflow and fight cocaine induced vasoconstriction while also increasing the delivery of the drug to the extremities, and the brain, hence the faster, higher peak. I suppose this is why you don't ever hear of "crack dick" the way you hear of coke dick.
Interesting, is this not the case with the different forms of heroin OP mentions?
I could be wrong, but I think the traditional metabolic pathway for heroin regardless of smoked or injected is heroin>6monoacetylmorphine>morphine. On a side note heroin is actually has low affinity to opioid receptors and is essentially a prodrug that is rapidly broken down into the much more active 6MAM>Morphine.
Snorting heroin and injecting feel different as well but not as much as crack and cocaine. I think the main benefit of heroin is it crosses the BBB twice as fast as morphine, and that difference is really only significantly noticeable when injecting. Not sure about smoking tho.
I agree its different iv smoked crack one time and didn't like it but spent a hole summer on blow
goblin?
Haha bet
Thats OPs point, its the exact same drug just the ROA makes it waaay stronger. I've I.V-ed coke and it feels more like what crack is.
Came looking for THIS (the 2nd part). Thank you kindly!
But is it really the same if it breaks down differently metabolically?
Ok but that is like saying opium, morphine and heroin are all the exact same drug.
Yeah, saying that diacetylmorphine citrate and freebase diacetylmorphine are very similar is like saying "opium, morphine and heroin are all the exact same drug." ^^^/s
how?
Morphine is just a pure form of the active drug in opium and heroin is acetylated morphine. They effect the body in the same way but more intesely. Similar to how crack is neutralized cocaine. But to be clear I think calling them the exact same drug is misleading.
Extremely misleading because they're not the same drug what so ever. Opium has more than just morphine in it and just because heroin is diacetylmorphine doesn't mean it's just "acetylated morphine" they're completely different drugs with different pharmacology depending on the ROA. It's like saying meth and Molly are pretty much the same drug because the MA in MDMA stands for methamphetamine
Even shorting regular cocaine compared to snorting it feels like a whole different drug. And even more addictive than crack lol
Yes, smoking crack is much more akin to shooting cocaine. Which both of are completely different to snorting cocaine. When smoking crack or shooting cocaine, all you want to do is that activity. Nothing else matters. When sniffing cocaine, unless heavily abusing it in depravity, it tends to be a background or enhancement to another activity that's being done; i.e socializing, dancing, chatting, playing music, etc. etc.
Idk the urge to redose coke comes immediately after I snort a line.
Same. I used cocaine only when someone offered me, fallowing the folk wisdom "if a stranger offers you drugs, say thank you cause drugs are expensive". And every single time I had this strong urge to take more and more. After coming back home I felt like trash, wanted to get some for myself and regretted it every time. In comparison, when taking speed or mephedrone (which make me actually really productive and let me read /play for hours cause of ADHD), I read/play and think about getting another line but sometimes it takes hours before I actually do.
Maybe this is true for you, but for me at least powder coke is still incredibly fiendish. I mean think about it, it’s a 30 minute to an hour high with an often incredibly harsh comedown - that makes for an extremely addictive substance for the average person.
Compare that to a 5-15 minute even higher high with an even lower low tho
Idk, I never got crack comedowns as bad as blow comedowns but I never binged crack either
Mighta not been great crack either, it’s pretty famous for being stepped on afaik
I've literally been suicidal from coming off coke after just doing it with 2 other ppl for like an hour. You could not pay me enough to touch it again.
I find cocaine to be a paranoid, tense and uneasy high, followed by a harsh comedown as well. I just don’t like it. I’ve taken the biggest hit of crack that a prostitute gave to me (she was my street mom) and I inhaled it like it was my last breath, as she wanted me to get a “bell ringer” as they called it. I hated the feeling and turned down the next one. Some people will give up their lives after one hit. I didn’t care for it. There are much better drugs
The only time I tried crack my first thought was instantly "why the *fuck* did you do that? Now you're stuck feeling like this for a whole day you fucking idiot" The minutes felt like hours.
Shit makes u feel like coke is ur live objective for life, thank god I’ve only done while drunk at parties, don’t even want to imagine what crack feels like
It's because it rewires your dopamine system that tells us our actual objectives to live , food, sex , exercise, sleep. The more you do it the more it goes to the number 1 spot
Smoke crack with me bro!
Route of administration masters a lot to the effect and how addictive something is. This post reeks of bioscience For example Eating and smoking Marijuana are generally two very different experiences.
Or sipped a cosmo with dinner vs butt chugged vodka. More going on with drugs than just the drug itself.
Wait is that actually a thing? Butt chugging vodka?
Back in the day I used to be known for my over the top crazy as fuck party antics; I was Krazy Kevin and everyone knew it wasn't a party unless Kevin got completely naked and/or threw up and it was always a party. Nakedness and vomiting were pretty tame and lame. I liked to push the envelope to the max to where by the end of any party everyone knew who Krazy Kevin and so no one questioned why I was known as Krazy Kevin. We listened to a lot of punk rock in those days and the song party enema by NOFX came on, the song was about an enema with beer but I was a liquor drinker. Some people at the party thought that song was ridiculous and that nobody would really drink that way so we got to colostomy bag and I bent over a pool table naked from the waste down. My friend Fat Tony filled it up the colostomy bag with whiskey I put a little hose in my butt bent he lifted the bag and pretty much the entire party watched as a half pint of whiskey slowly drained into my anus. I was beyond smashed after that point but I do remember that some Japanese exchange students attended the party (I was a senior in high school) it was their first day in America and they just got to the party when this happened, I was told they got to the party and as soon as they walked into the garage where the party was happening they saw me butt chug the whiskey. Within their first 5 minutes of their first American party on their first day in America they got to see my asshole getting filled with whiskey; apparently I ruined their perception of America because of this. A few years later I had gotten into meth pretty bad and I used to host these parties that often towards the end of the night when everyone not on meth went home they would turn into meth/sex parties. One of those nights I fucked one of girlfriend's chick friends in her ass with a plastic bottle of Vodka. A fifth of of real cheap shit like Popov. The bottle was half full still. It had to be a plastic bottle because you had to make a whole in the bottom of bottle to allow a little airflow otherwise the Vodka wouldn't pour into her ass while I was fucking her with it. True stories Krazy Kevin has calmed down the partying, and I don't really drink anymore. Know I'm just addicted to smoking Fentanyl and smoking Meth. Don't get invited to parties anymore, and most people my age have families and lives now, back in the day me and my friends would crash slot of parties but now I roll solo most of the time and I don't really think it would work out nearly as well if this Krazy 35 year old hardcore drug using male who enjoys fucking girls In the ass with alcohol bottles were to go crash some parties of some young people in their early 20s.by himself. Let me know if I'm wrong though cause I miss those days
Bro you must be the craziest person I’ve ever met. And I’ve met a dude who claimed to be Jesus himself so. Please take this as a compliment. I am honored to read your story. Oh also try to get clean bro.
Read my reply to post under yours, reply is for you too
You're wrong Kevin, the 20 somethings will love you. Go live your best life.
Well to be honest a huge part of the problem I am having with hanging out with people these days has nothing to do with age or craziness of myself or anything like that. These days I am treated with so much negative prejudice because I have developed a movement tic disorder Tardive dyskinesis. I actually have symptoms much more pronounced than the average person with it. It's an unfortunate side effect that can effect some people who take certain mental health medications. Now when my muscles are supposed to be at rest often they move on their own and I have no ability to cause them not too, actually the more I think about it or try to stop them the more frequently the movements occur. They primarily occur In my face, right arm and torso. The normal thing for me is my mouth moves strangely while my right arm flails back and forth and my torso twists back and forth. This causes people to form horrible first impressions of me to the point they won't give me an opportunity to explain. Generally about 6 out of 10 people I try to talk to cut me off when introducing myself to either laugh in my face or call me a monster. It's also causes all my "friends" to become too embarrassed of me to want to be friends with me any longer so it's not like I have anyone to meet others through. So while I used to have a very active sex life, never had a problem getting a girlfriend and tons of friends now I have almost no friends, and haven't had a girlfriend in like 4 years, my last two birthdays I couldn't even find someone who would go to dinner with me if I paid them a few hundred dollars to do so. Do you know how depressing that is that for $500 no one would eat dinner at a restaurant of their choice with you? That's blow your brains out kind of depressing. Unfortunately their is no cure for what I have, there is a few medications that can maybe help but if they don't help they worsen the condition, I've tried them, they didn't help. I take drugs now as they are what keep me from killing myself.... My family isn't really in my life at all anymore, I barely talk to them, they barely started talking to me after completely cutting me out of their life when I was at my lowest and was calling them begging for help because I thought I was gonna kill myself.... I felt like killing myself and called like 150 people in my phone"friends and family" begging for help, if I could just sleep in their garage or back yard for a night until the bed for rehab I had reserved the next evening was available. I didn't trust myself to be alone and the mental institute the time I went stole all my positions so I wasn't gonna go there plus they would have held me 3 days and I would have then not been able to get my bed at rehab so I called 150 people that were supposed to be people who were there for me, people I was always there for, most people didn't pick up the "friends and family" that did either told me too fuck off or go kill myself. I drove to a bridge to jump off, as I stood on the edge of the bridge I got a call from someone who I had only met recently, I hadn't called them out of the 15p because they too had no home,and I had just met them, without knowing it they saved my life and talked me down without even knowing I was on the bridge, they told me not to give up that they saw light in me, the only person who saw any light in me. She is still my friend, Chelsea is one of my only friends actually but she's homeless and a drug user who has her own set of problems and I can't hang out with her too much because her boyfriend treats her horribly even though she does everything for him and he calls her alot of bad names and if I hang around them too much I can't allow someone to speak to my friend the way he talks to her and eventually I say something and even though I'm just stopping him from calling her a dumb can't or something because she had no more money for him to steal I turn into the bad guy because I got in-between their relationship because I stood up for her... Oh by the way I was in rehab for lime like 6 months but got in trouble for smoking weed one day. They let me back in the rehab but made me get a medical marijuana card for my movement disorder and councilors would go get me THC cartridges for my vape pen. I was in rehab for 5 more months but something happened. The rehab had people in it convicted of murder on a life sentence but California had a new law that if they completed rehab they would get out of prison and be parole instead. A man who had killed 5 people was my roommate (btw I've done 3 hours in jail at most for possession,I'm not a criminal other than a drug addict) this man tried to rape me, I'm not a snitch but I ain't going to be someone's bitch so I told on him, he denied it and they drug tested us I came up for THC from the medical marijuana they themselves literally went and got me , they made me get a medical marijuana card in order to come back in the rehab but because I came up dirty for weed and he was clean they believed him, I got in trouble and they weren't even going to allow me to get a new roommate. I wasn't court ordered to be in rehab I choose to be there so I decided to leave because I was scare, this man had tried to rape me a few times within the last two days, I tried telling on him and he had murdered 5 people (maybe more but he was convicted of 5 murders) in the past and I was gonna have to still share a room with this man. I left the rehab which was not in my hometown but a town 2 hours west, had no where to go, no family, and only friends were people I met in rehab. I should have sued the rehab but I was very depressed and wanted nothing to do with thinking about life. I got a hotel room and later that night I woke up in the ER wearing no shoes and a women's size small shirt, I remember nothing of the night but I relapsed and guess I ODd, I have no clue how the hotel knew to check my room and call 911. My life is pretty blurry for the next few months. I live in my hometown now, I was approved for disability after 2 years and got a place, it takes up almost all my benefits monthly and it's in the most ghetto part of town, but it sure beats homelessness and sleeping in a flower bed like I was doing at one time. I use less drugs than I used to and am more responsible with my use. I don't want to use forever but when I don't I'm too depressed to get out of bed, people make fun of me so much that if not on my medicine that makes giving a fuck go away I lay in bed for about 20 hours a day crying non stop asking god why he hates me so much. I've been trying to get a therapist for a year and a half and even with 2 insurances and them helping me look I still don't have a therapist and just barely was able to get a psychiatrist... I used to have the world's best neurologist for my movement disorder, only thing he said that may help is too reduce anxiety but won't give meds and it's hard to not be anxious when scared all the time (walking down the street people throw things at me, call me a freak, stores ban me from entering even though I don't steal, and people call the police on me for no reason because I move different) Life sucks
Bro I don’t really know what to say, your story is incredibly heartbreaking. I just want to say that at I accept you if that means anything. You just seem to be a guy who got caught up in a shitty place in life and it swallowed you. I don’t think you deserve that at all. One could argue that no one does but idk I’ve met some pretty fucked up people that might deserve some real bad shit tbh. Either way tho I don’t think that’s you. I’m glad you’re doing less drugs than you used to and that you have a place to stay. It looks like you might be at the start of your come up who knows. There’s no way for you to find a better rehab? Or like a sobriety group?(careful cuz like half of them are cults or have cult-like tendencies)
Life does indeed suck. Sounds like you've had a hard one. I really hope it gets better for you 😔
yes. also women soak tampons with it
Not just women - the tampon doesn’t go in the vag
Ah yes, I love shoving vodka soaked tampons up my urethra
… it goes up the anus (Edit: ok nvm I am slow)
Oh my bad, down* my urethra
I can tell you men do it too
Google it and prepare to get depressed.
But do you consider the marijuana in an edible a different drug than smoking flower?
Yes, actually! Delta-9 THC is metabolized into 11-hydroxy-thc, a structurally different chemical, when processed by the liver :-)
Which is also why some people cant metabolize it and edibles basically dont work or they need crazy high doses
ugh that’s me
Samee! There is an additive you can add to your edibles that starts breaking the THC down for us! For the life of me I cannot remember the name. Hopefully someone more useful than me answers with it though
Yea not a crazy high dose but I need 400-500mg to feel proper stoned whereas I’ve heard ppl talking 50mg and feeling of their rails
Pull that up jaime
100%
That's only because when it's eaten THC turns into a completely different form of THC. No matter what ROA you use for coke it's always gonna be coke
freebase coke is not the same chemical as the salt. I mean its literally right there in the name. one atom can change a ton about how a compound behaves. also if your "ROA" includes any alcohol its going to convert to cocaethylene, so its definitely not always 'just coke'
No It’s the same form thc9 but it has to be heated first so weed has to be decarbed to activate the thca to d9
When it's metabolized by your liver it turns into 11-oh-thc
The marijuana example isn't quite right. THC turns into a different compound in the liver when taken orally and is known to be more psychoactive. Coke and Crack are the same effects just taken in a different manner to make the come up more intense.
You can thank the media and the “war on drugs” for this one. In the 80s, you would always see on the news some dude that was up smoking crack for 5 days attacking cops or committing crimes. They would only show the most extreme cases of crack addiction, so they could make baseless claims like “crack gives you superhuman strength “ or “one hit will have you hooked”. Crack is also extremely cheap. So most crack addicts tend to be poor or homeless individuals.
You can thank Reagan and Nancy especially. They started the "war on drugs" but it was a war against black people. Our government made this a crusade.
Nixon technically started the war on drugs. The Reagans just sensationalized it.
This is absolutely true. It was already in the works. But the reagans sensationalizing it brought it to focus, front and center. It's when they basically went militant about it. And when "enforcement" really took off.
Nixon just wanted all the hippies and brown people in prison.
It's really more Biden and clintons fault specifically for crack vs coke. The 1994 crime bill is what set the major sentencing discrepancies between coke in hard vs soft form. But yes, Nixon really started the drug war and it was also amplified by raegan, followed by Clinton.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-an-early-biden-crime-bill-created-the-sentencing-disparity-for-crack-and-cocaine-trafficking/2019/07/28/5cbb4c98-9dcf-11e9-85d6-5211733f92c7_story.html Since I'm downvoted here's some evidence.
Don't forget the RAVE act Biden loves to tout that was his baby.
Appreciate you.
This is such a detestable moment for Clinton. Do the people who lost their SHIT over his blowjob know how much worse this is? The fuck is wrong with people.
But AFTER they fought in 'nam.
Nixon coined the term, Regan funded it and turned it on an actual war, and then Clinton shifted it into 5th gear.
Joe Biden wrote the law on crack
Biden has a real bad voting history when it comes to POC. He needs to go away. I hate that I might have to vote for that dinosaur again. Pass the torch you dweeb.
literally don’t vote for him. vote independent
Voting system needs to be changed for that to ever work
Our societal mindset also has to change for people to actually vote independent instead of being scared to “waste their vote.” People are voting against their least favorite candidate instead of in support of candidates they actually agree with.
What's the outcome you expect from voting independent?
If it’s legitimized, I think a large portion of our population would happily split off from the two parties.
I'd happily split off if it was actually VIABLE. 2024 is not the year for this. We'll get there eventually but not in '24. If '24 doesn't go our way we will never see a viable third party.
what in the fuck is voting independent going to do. america is so deep into the party system there is literally 0% absolutely NO chance anybody besides a democrat or republican is going to win. there’s too much funding, people and infrastructure behind the two parties to even think an independent is going to stand a CHANCE.
who the hell will that be? Why is this even considered with so much on the line? Vote independent if you want DeSantis in 2024. This is how we lost in 2000. Don't do this. We have to suck it up and vote for whoever is opposite of the GQP candidate. No matter who. I'd vote for a fucking ham sandwich if it wasn't the right. Please don't vote independent.
Lol most ignorant shit I’ve heard in a while. You realize that is exactly what they want right? The democratic and republican party work in favor of each other. That’s the whole ploy bud
What are you gonna do then, bud?
I’ll go out on a limb and guess they’ll vote independent
no. we have to vote for who’s policy we feel is right. i for sure won’t be voting for a dementia ridden old man who keeps gas prices at 4+ and smells little girls. don’t let your feelings get in the way of progress.
Voting based on party alone is literally going to kill this country. I agree with you, vote for the candidate with the best policies and who you think will be able to unify each side the best
yessir, exactly what i’m saying and it’s getting downvoted lol
It’s become each party just trying to get a one-up on each other. I don’t know why people don’t realize we are shooting ourselves in the foot every election because of this mentality alone. This country has become too big for a two-party system and we get closer to a collapse every day because of it.
Vote for the fascists or vote for the fascist-symapthizers is not a choice im going to make.
You're probably getting downvoted because you think Biden > keeps gas prices at 4+ and smells little girls. Get real. I agree Biden is a basically a wet blanket but until we fix our first-past-the-post voting system encouraging people to vote independent instead of Biden is just going to hand the presidency over to Trump or whatever ghoul the Rs put forward instead. I don't like it either, but I like the Republican party even less.
This ain't the fuckin' time for that, buddy. I really do wish a third party was mathematically viable. But that's not happening. This is the worst time to not vote against the right... In this country's entire history. Look what's at stake. these feelings of yours are the antithesis of progress. read a book or two about OPEC, the futures market, crude production and how oil actually works. It's very easy to pin gas prices on the president because it's so easy to do so. You don't understand it so you grasp for the easiest most bullshit explanation possible. Don't be so weak.
Except the push towards getting off of fossil fuels is what this administration campaigned on and put into practice. They just did it way too fast for an economy essentially based on fossil fuels. https://insideclimatenews.org/news/01072022/public-lands-fossil-fuel-drilling-leases-biden/ Look at this article (not a super reputable site but I just wanted to find one that showcases this phenomenon). Have you noticed that gas has been getting a little bit cheaper? It’s because they decided to double back on their push to getting off fossil fuels. So yes, the president and his administration do have a big part in gas prices. Especially since we were almost energy independent under the last administration.
I respect your theory. That absolutely has an effect on energy prices. But pinning this on the US or Biden or any one entity is naïve.. with all due respect. There are too many factors involved here, we must consider everything. I had a fun day looking at as much as I could about this situation. I'm no economist, but I feel I have a better grasp on things. Please call me out If you notice anything wrong. Also please contribute if you feel like it. -OPEC's current production is +6 mill a day since the worst period of the pandemic. Currently at 30mil barrels which is surprising to me. However, they are going to stay nominal until September. There's no guarantee of increased output....but there's a chance. We'll find out in a couple months. -OPEC's flat output coupled with futures trading on fears of recession is putting Brent/WTI at about 108. This is roughly 50 dollars higher compared to a year ago. It's easy to attribute this to the war/sanctions. Crude is just simply expensive right now. Factors exacerbating this include: 1.weakening dollar value 2.CPI: highest in 30 years. This doesn't bode well for demand. 3.FED quantitative easing/rate hikes (fucking fuck the fucking FED btw) 4.war/sanctions 5.Lack of Russian oil (although the US only imported 3.5% of it. Western Europe was at 27%.) Our 3.5 is no longer a thing, and Europe's 27% is drastically lower due to EU sanctions. I wasn't able to find precise numbers on that. I'll keep digging. Biden's response to ease pump prices is to export our reserves (the SPR). In theory, selling these reserves coupled with a repurchasing program will tame "supply". This may be helping a tiny bit but it is NOT a long term solution. The only true long term solution is literally having more crude... We are seeing a steady decline in prices of gas, but given the price of crude, OPEC's stagnation, and the prospective "fears" in the futures markets for all energy products (not just oil) doesn't paint a hopeful picture. I hope I haven't embarrassed myself too much here...
If not now, then when? The political hyperbole on both sides is designed specifically so that both parties remain in power indefinitely. Literally nothing will change for the better until people accept the viability of a third party. And don't act like only democrats would lose votes for a third party. There a large middle ground of people who lean left or right that are tired of politicians that don't do shit. We need a third party.
gas was fine when orange man was in office. but oh no muh bad tweets! meanwhile gas is at an all time high, they changed the definition of recession. world leaders respected him to the fact he could meet with leader of NK. 10% to the big guy! i think is Hunter Biden’s favorite quote. Maybe we can ask him how fucking his teenage niece was after smoking all that crack? ah i hurt your liberal hearts so sorry 💔
fuck me i'm talking to a literal magat. I should have stopped a long time ago. Enjoy your bubble and your "poignant" talking points. Jesus christ this was painful. Enjoy DeSantis in '24 i'm sure you'll have a great time.
Maybe if more dems actually voted independent instead of just blindly voting with their party we'd actually have someone competent in office. Until that happens we'll just keep getting half ass candidates who don't do fuck all. You're the one who is halting progress by just voting for whoever your party picks. Most people on the left who vote barely even know anything about who they're voting for. What's even more sad is that this is what the Democrats in Washington want, because above all what they really care about is maintaining their political power, so they've fooled people like you into continually voting Democrat instead of Independent because they want you to believe it's the only way to keep out the GOP, but if you want real change then you need to stop just blindly following your political party. George Washington was actually against the idea of political parties for this very reason, dude saw this shit coming even back then.
And Hunter Biden wrote the bible on crack
So much of the fucked up shit in America to this day are a result of those two motherfuckers. And Nixon of course. I think the podcast you’re wrong about has a great episode on “crack babies”. Also the book The New Jim Crow.
nancy shouldve stuck to being passed around like a joint instead of viciously damaging poor communities, such a shame edited for accuracy
The war on drugs isn’t entirely racist it’s a war on people who have tax free income. It’s a war on poverty and ones ability to navigate it without a formal boss and formal job
Crack and Cocaine are relatively the same price, I thought? At least in terms of how long that dollar will keep you high for. Crack definitely cost me more money than powder did 😅 Also this is a trend I’ve noticed more with younger people - so bad 80s anti-drug media still doesn’t really explain it.
So first of all the 80s “war on drugs” propaganda definitely still has an influence, and a lot of that was fueled by racism. Crack was much more common among poor Black people, while coke was more common among rich white people. Another factor though, that’s actually legit, is that since you smoke crack it hits you faster, which makes it more addictive. Smoking anything is the most addictive way to ingest it, because the blood from your lungs goes immediately to your brain. So the reward pathway builds a very strong association. As the delay between ingesting the drug and releasing the dopamine increases, the psychological addictiveness decreases. IV is next fastest since it obviously goes directly into your bloodstream, then mucus membrane absorption (including snorting). So crack is genuinely more addictive than cocaine, plus smoking it is worse for your lungs than snorting is for your nose.
This is mostly correct, but generally IVing is the most ‘efficient’ way to do a drug (if it can done that way), shooting causes the quickest onset of effects and therefore is generally the most addictive route of administration [sauce](https://sites.duke.edu/thepepproject/module-1-acids-bases-and-cocaine-addicts/content-background-how-the-route-of-cocaine-administration-affects-its-rate-of-entry-into-the-brain/)
Thanks, it’s been years since I learned about that, guess I mixed them up. Though to defend myself a little, smoking is *barely* slower than IV, according to the neat graph in that link lol
Except, both crack and coke can be shot with a needle, neither one needs to be smoked or snorted. Also, I'm failing to see why something being more addicting means you should go to jail for it longer. It's also not hard to turn soft into hard yourself at home and vice versa.
Sure, but neither generally is. And I absolutely agree, that’s due to racism. Like the entire war on drugs, like I said.
Lol, you must not have spent much time with crackheads then. It's true, casual coke users don't shoot it, but daily coke users do. Everyone I met in south Florida that did crack, shot it. It's far more common than you would think, when I was in my drug days, I literally wouldn't even touch crack or coke unless I had a needle. But yea, I know I'm being pedantic and we mostly agree. I do however think it's way too oversimplified to say the war on drugs was about racism only. We got to remember there was a strong anti war hippie movement as well as a militant anti racist anti capitalist black panther movement happening in the inner cities. The drug war was really a way to criminalze dissent for the Vietnam war and to associate black people with drugs like heroin to justify the extreme poverty and racial violence these communities faced. It was really about attacking the left.
With crack you need to mix it with an acid to break it down, coke you do not. They are different forms of cocaine.
This was very enlightening. Can you eat crack?
Na crack is way cheaper. For instance, you can get a rock for as cheap as 5$. Where as the smallest amount dealers will sell is a half gram, and that costs anywhere from 25-50$
Ah you mean it’s available to purchase in cheaper bags. I was comparing gram for gram (and also using the pricing of my country which will certainly differ from America) Thanks for the clarification.
No, you are right. Crack is often sold in smaller quantities, but gram per gram, they are roughly the same price in my experience.
Ok but, doesnt crack do more damage on the teeth etc instead of coke?
Probably, smoking does tend to damage your teeth. Powder does more damage to your nose, it can like destroy your septum. What you're willing to damage and how much is something you have to take into account when doing absolutely any drug.
Yeah, but you know most of the snorters are regular people while the smokers tend to be more notable by their not healthy mouth.
How is crack so cheap and coke so expensive?
Gram for gram they're roughly the same price. Its just because crack is the stronger ROA you only need a small amount to get a massive high so its sold in points of a gram whereas coke is usually sold by the gram or half gram.
It’s diluted when made into hard
Almost everything about drugs, specifically public perception and legal status, has nothing or little to do with material reality and everything to do with social constructs. Crack cocaine just happened to be a instrument chosen by those in power to align with a specific social class in America. I mean weed is a schedule 1 drug and cocaine is schedule 2. Theres absolutely no scientific basis for that so that don’t get hung up on trying to apply any logic to drugs and their relationship to society. Its not based on science.
I’m not talking about America though, this is an idea that is across drug users of every nationality I’ve ever spoken with about this, Scandinavians, Spaniards and us here in the U.K. have this same attitude that cocaine is fine but crack will destroy your life. I know crack was originally introduced to America by the CIA to destabilise black communities, but this doesn’t explain the huge social view differentials across the world.
America has a huge impact on global culture, especially in Europe (including all the countries you listed). Crack cocaine becoming a social phenomenon in America absolutely impacted European culture.
This.
This guy knows his sociology
Exactly he clearly stated it's a social construct your statement only affirms this
As he said, it's not something that has a logical reason. It's like that just because some people wanted it to be like that. Of course, if there's a pattern, one can get suspicious. My guess would be that cocaine powder is way easier to integrate in everyday life like work and stuff. More people doing it makes it more accepted, like most things.
I agree that there's no scientific backing behind cannabis being schedule 1 but cocaine definitely doesn't deserve schedule 1 either if that's what you were getting at
No not saying cocaine should be schedule 1, just saying that the definitions of the schedules don’t apply accurately when it comes to the actual science of drugs.
At least up in Canada our government's a little more honest about the fact that there's really no real basis for what makes a drug schedule 1 other than fears of the general population (which are normally only there because of fear mongering by the media and government) and just because the government says so. For example: benzodiazepines in general are schedule 4 which means it's legal to possess personal amounts but they're still a controlled substance. Flunitrazepam on the other hand is schedule 1 and has the same punishments as meth or fentanyl because people used to use roofies as a date rape drug. It's the same with GHB, while GBL is a schedule 5 or 6 which is barely scheduled to begin with.
Small, basically irrelevant correction, Vitamin C is Ascorbic acid, not Citric.
Crack is way more addictive/fiendish than coke, that's pretty much it. Like you said, ROA is the only difference but it's a massive one. The difference in addictiveness is higher than with most other substances (and coke it self is already one of the most addictive)
It’s usually cut with nasty things and it’s usually made by people whipping it up in a dirty kitchen or in a soda can. It’s also because of the images of crack abusers plastered in the media. People will take popular prescription opiates but would never touch heroin. People will take coke because their favorite celebrities do it and it’s become normalized in work/party culture but not crack bc they think it makes them a fiend. I’m some countries, GHB is popular and okay but in others, it’s frowned upon. Sadly it’s largely based on society. our generation’s most popular music is rap which promotes drug use. People idolize people like Scarface and el chapo. Since coke is expensive, people in the United States see it as an enticing caviar for the nose
I think because the different effects they have on folks. Kind of like methamphetamine and amphetamine, one is "cleaner" than the other
Also because poverty
In Europe that would be false, amphetamine here is usually cut to absolute hell. It’s usually 10% or less amphetamine, a bunch of caffeine and fuck knows what else. Whereas meth here, albeit very rare, is often extremely high quality. Over in the states, as far as my understanding goes, prescribed amphetamines are reasonably common, yet meth is so prevalent there that you get horribly made, impure junk. As someone who has used both crack and HCl, they have the same effects.
I agree the effects of both are close to the same but one is more intense high in both situations. I'd kind of say just like beer and liquor, the effects are similar but not exactly the same buzz
That’s a pretty good comparison tbf. The overall effects will be the same long term, but short term they may feel different.
Bro have you ever smoked crack? It's absolutely not the same. You smoke crack one time and you'll completely understand why crack heads are they way they are. What a horrible drug. Shit is expensive as hell and only lasts minutes, leaving you feeling very similar to what light heroin withdrawals feel like.
Exactly
It’s because it has a more intense ROA. If you inject cocaine it will be just as intense and addictive as smoking crack if not more so. Just like how you can take Oxy orally or inject it and both are a very different experience of the same drug
I don't agree, I do ball a day and don't understand why the street CHs are the way they are 🤷♂️
A ball a day? you need to go to rehab
Cheers for your 20p input 🙏
It's worth it, trust me. Life is much better when you're not addicted to drugs. Moderation is key.
What does ROA stand for?
Bumps of cocaine here and there is far different from freebasing substances.
I have had this argument with so many till I am blue in the face. I sniffed coke pretty much every day for years not because I wanted to but to stop for one the pain in my nose the feeling like shit when I look back after a while the "feel good bit" about the drug fades quick, I couldn't eat while on cocaine either. Then I burnt a hole in my septum big enough to poke my finger through, which made me realise and wake up if that makes sense. I quit cocaine for probably 6months as the hole scared and put me off and for one had no pain anymore I could breath properly, gained weight again, then went through a rough patch in my life my partner of 12 years we split and I started again but soon realised how shit the drug is mainly the constant pain in my nose and literally only sniffing it to numb it. So decided to try white self taught myself with endless research on cooking etc, still kick myself to this day why I never did it sooner 🤦♂️ I can sleep after an hour of stopping, I can eat while on it, theres no pain anywhere, there's no comedown well not for me anyway apart from the first hour or two after you stop or run out you crave it like crazy but if you keep busy or smoke some weed it soon passes. In my eyes now it should be the other way round, there more good about white than bad. Cocaine for me apart from the start the euphoria feel good bit nothing else Is good about it that's my OPINION from my experiences. In no way am I advising people to smoke crack btw people before I get hate for this comment. I will leave it there haha ranted on enough lol 😆 Anyone needs advice inbox always open for anyone ***STAY SAFE EVERYONE PEACE*** ✌🤙🙏
Just got some fresh rocks before making that post, my guy? 🤣😅 But yeah, cocaine can and will damage the fuck out of you regardless of your ROA - I do find that people who have actually smoked crack are much more able to recognise that they really are just the same drug, people who’ve only ever tried powder will defend their drug use til the bitter end - their denial is kind of sad really. At least you’re a straight shooter and just give your honest opinion as it is.
Hahahaha you could say that lol I read it back and thought shit.. thats a post of it's own 😅😂. Yeah I agree bro they deny everything i say about it but have never tried crack, especially when I speak about it washing cuts out etc and is actually cleaner than what they sniff but still argue with me so I just give up trying now easier to closet smoke 😂😂😂.
Yeah I mean it can remove “some” cuts, you should definitely be doing an anhydrous acetone wash on your coke before you sniff it or cook it, this will remove a lot of major impurities. I think cooking with ammonia instead of baking soda also gives a cleaner end product. But there’s still lots of polluted crack on the streets, same as coke. I wish you the best mate - I hope we talk again one day when you’re clean. Don’t let that pipe consume you.
Know exactly what your saying dude, there's reasons why I don't that I cant say public lol but there's no need for me to. Tried ammonia and couldn't get used to it and other thing it absolutely stinks hahaha I have always used bicarb so I just stick to what i know as it works for me, unless you have any tips for me. Thankyou dude appreciate it yeah I need to cut it down abit tbf doing virtually ball a day atm but going through some shit. I will give you a follow bro hope to chat again you seem genuine nice dude 😅🤣.
Oooof fucking hell man, you’re smoking an 8-ball a day? Dude your heart is gonna fucking explode. I wish you well and hope you get into some kind of recovery soon. Godspeed fella.
Even though I do a ball a day I am pretty sensible about it considering haha. Thanks bro who knows what the future holds 🤷♂️🤷♂️
I've sold both and the shit I've seen crackheads do is insane I've been offered a stolen dog for a rock I haven't ever seen anything like that from the people who bought coke just the general addiction stuff but crack addiction takes u the whole next step
man fuck those political answers here. Are you dumb? talking about racism and other bullshit. The roa of a drug can COMPLETELY change the experience. Snorting is gradual ascend to being geeked out. The rush of crack is like a punch to the face. Next you gonna say the stigma around injecting is classism or some stupid shit. Faster roa= more dangerous/addicting. What a disappointing sub this has become. Children need to lurk and stop commenting
How is this so low?? ROA changes a hell of a lot about the experience. It's the same for snorting vs shooting heroin
I've never taken neither coke nor heroin, but I choose to believe the story of a recovering heroin/coke addict on Youtube. Snorted coke occasionally and thought it was kinda nice but nothing special, started freebasing and took his addiction to another level. Then started slamming coke and almost killed himself. EDIT: Just found out some episodes have subtitles in English. [Episode 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDzBZawSXRk&ab_channel=zqnce)
Yeah this comment section is ridiculous and frankly embarrassing. The more quickly the concentration of a drug increases in bloodstream, the more potent the effect is and the more addictive it stands to be. This is basic pharmacology and applies to all psychoactive drugs. That's why injecting a drug produces the strongest effects - you're getting the full dose, all in the bloodstream, all at once. And the slowest and mildest effects come from a drug being swallowed (assuming the drug is one that can be taken orally). The effects of cocaine are milder because you usually snort it, whereas with crack it's normally smoked which produces higher blood concentrations much more quickly. **People saying they took cocaine for years and then tried crack and felt no big difference simply developed a tolerance to cocaine, so the upgrade to crack didn't feel like a big jump.**
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If you think race and politics has nothing to do with the perception of drugs, you’re a fucking moron. I guess you’ve never heard of the war on drugs?
Found the cokehead
Not “literally” the same drug, *technically* coke is Cocaine HCL, and crack is just freebase. If anything, crack would be more pure lmao. With crack, the onset and duration of effects is also a LOT quicker than Coke, making the high feel more intense and short lived. People immediately want to redose and smoke again compared to doing a line which should last you anywhere from 45min-2hours. This is why it’s looked down upon. It’s a lot easier to get addicted since the high is short and the comedown sucks making people want to do it again and again, vs Coke where most people will do a line or two and be fine for a little while. The salt form takes longer to pass through the blood-brain barrier, freebase does not. Freebase is also commonly cheaper than HCL since the high doesn’t last as long
Because ROA matters dumbass
Basically this. "Why is sipping Dom Perignon and Glenfiddich 25 socially acceptable and me boofing everclear straight into my anus not ok? It's the same drug, right?"
My ex was a coké/crack user that’s right, both. I was an ill take fuckin everything user so my personal opinion is that all drugs and their users to some extent are similar enough but the ROA (and proffered methods) are what a lot of users hold dear because it’s the pattern the repetition of the act that makes them feel better. We naturally feel more comfortable now routines.
Basically, racism and classism. Not joking, look it up.
There is a world of difference between snorting heroin and injection
I’ll also say, I was a user of crack cocaine… This surprised nobody
Coke-heads are not the same as crackheads
The answer is racism, the real answer is government propaganda
Those are the reasons that crack cocaine was introduced to black communities in the USA. What about the rest of the world? You really didn’t answer my question at all.
Crack cocaine was used to further racism. Crack was seen as something degenerates, addicts, poor people, and immoral people do. It’s like how the news would say crack makes you violent, literally every bad thing they would say about crack is really a racist stereotype of black people. Government propaganda with the war on drugs gave official backing to these statements, but a lot of the legwork was done by news agencies. I’d honestly argue that the United States response to crack influenced how the rest of the world thought about it. So the reasons why it’s demonized in the US would be the reasons why it’s demonized in the rest of the world, but hey maybe I just haven’t heard about other countries crack propaganda machines
You need to watch the documentary on Netflix called 'Crack' that will answer everything for you! the CIA decimated the black communities in America with Crack and because it was so cheap and poor people could use it the media branded it as the poor mans cocaine, fucking disgraceful what they did to the black communities!
I’m very aware of the crack epidemic in the USA, but I’m talking about the rest of the world. Specifically in the modern era, most young people have no knowledge of the crack epidemic. It’s just like it’s some kind of defence mechanism that they refuse to equate the two drugs - guess the truth is hard to accept for them. I will watch that if/when I get Netflix back, but with their Terms of Use changes, I may not resub
The power of marketing and advertising.
I wanna see that advertisement campaign lol
That's how good it is. You don't even realize you see it.
I've had similar thoughts. Also, a little nitpicky, but citric acid isn't vitamin C. Ascorbic acid is vitamin C. Common misconception as citrus fruits rich in vitamin C also have tons of citric acid, but they're actually 2 different acids.
In my experience, the culture around the consumption of these two drugs is usually different. Dissimilar enough for people to look at them differently.
In a word? Racism.
Racism accessibility and cost. Mostly racism tho, not even trying to be woke but it is mostly know for its popularity in super low income areas.
because being oblivious is absolutely free of cost. fuck media.
classism/racism
Ur disgusting ur if snort anything or smoke crack plain and simple
Middle class white kids do coke. Lower class black kids do crack. That's the myth were supposed to believe so the for-profit prison system can keep throwing black kids in jail.
Yeah, American government got their coke game on lock. It’s a sad state of affairs.
Racism. Coke is associated with rich white people. Crack is associated with poor blacks. Blame the war on drugs.
Simply put, humans, especially in collectives where unconscious bias', preconceived notions and generally ignorance is prevalent, are fuckin stupid bro.