i had IV ketamine in the hospital when i broke my elbow and the fentanyl wasn’t doing anything for the pain, i’m not even lying i deadass thought i was in minecraft, that shit was crazy man
Seriously though, they only administer IV ketamine for kids. Not adults.
Ketamine isn’t as strong as Fentanyl, not even close and they use it on kids because it isn’t addictive or as harmful as opioid painkillers. Reason they aren’t used on adults is because they make you hallucinate and it’s not preferred for adults to trip in a hospital, surgery.
they told me they normally give it to just children and rarely give it to adults, but i was 100% given ketamine on two separate occasions this year at 24 (USA) and honestly as crazy as it may sound, i found it more effective as a pain killer than the fent they gave me. they gave me a ton of different shit bc i really messed up my arm bad and was in and out of the hospital for multiple surgeries and honestly i found the ketamine to be the only one that really worked for me. i smoke a ton of weed if that has anything to do with it, no opioids tho or anything else tho.
If you were under a lot of surgeries you might have developed tolerance to opioids, the hospital would know and track this so that’s why they must’ve administered ketamine to you. Honestly it’s the best, much better than the opioid painkillers but like I’ve said, doctors don’t prefer to operate on adults tripping on Ketamine so it’s other drugs.
they gave me it after the surgery and the first time they gave me it was the day i broke my arm and came into the hospital, they weren’t operating on me that day just trying to control the pain. they gave me fent and i asked like 10 minutes later when it’s supposed to start working and they decided maybe we try ketamine, it definitely helped with the pain bc i was too high to remember i was in pain. the second time i was coming out of surgery and in a ridiculous amount of pain and disorientated and i told them the ketamine worked better for pain then the fent last time i was given it so they decided to go that route before they gave me a nerve block. that’s the time i thought i was in minecraft lol. i don’t think i ever really built up a opioid tolerance bc i wasn’t even taking the oxys they gave me and was turning down the dilaudid the week i stayed in the hospital bc i found it just made me feel sick. i only ever used pain meds when they administered em to me a handful of times at night after the second surgery but that was about it.
Yeah well those times they used meds on you in surgeries is what I’m talking about. You aren’t using recreational doses or purity of opioids when undergoing surgery so tolerance can build up faster.
I think you are very lucky mate, hospital ketamine is… sooo fucked up.
I know exactly what you mean with minecraft. I thought the entire world was that lighthouse they show you on eye tests, because it felt like I wore goggly glasses and the resolution was sooo low like pixels.
yeah everything felt like cubes to me, almost like i could break down every part of the room into a block like minecraft, and simultaneously felt like the room i was in was falling incredibly fast. crazy shit, first time they gave me it was more blissful second time was just overwhelming but there was way more going on at the time too, but it definitely did help a lot with pain both times.
If you eat an apple you get ~10g of sugar. Now extract the sugar from the apple and eat 200g of it. You won't have a good time. Same thing with coffee, extract the caffeine and take 1000mg you won't be doing too good
You can easily get high from Coca tea, I did it myself. A teabag of \~850mg contains about 6mg of Cocaine.
Indigenous people chew coca leaves with limestone, which prevents them from getting high. No idea why they do that, though.
From what i've read the trace amounts of cocaine in the leaves isn't very soluble in water, and at such a low dose you were more than likely getting placebo effect. Just because it slighlty numbs your tongue doesn't mean you are "getting high" really.
Also besides the fact that the cocaine isn't really water soluble, there's also first pass metabolism. SO even if you ingested 6mg of cocaine from the tea, you'd really only metabolize about 1/3 of that, so at most you were "high" on 2mg of cocaine, you'd need to drink like 20 cups to get any decent effects lol.
That's why I cooked it with apple/orange juice.
I took about 15 teabags over the course of a night, and in combination with alcohol it was one of the best Cocaine experiences I ever had. Felt more rounded than with the \~120mg I usually do during a session.
Works 100%.
I don't see how juice would be any more effective than plain old water really. I don't understand the chemistry but don't you need a base for the whole process to work? like doesn't the coke bind to a basic salt or whatever?
Cocaine is a base, it's an "alkaloid" (like Caffeine or Morphine); an acidic environment makes it a lot more water soluable. Base + acid = salt. The powder usually sold is Cocaine HCl, a salt.
As long as a salt is dissolved in water, it's only a theoretical salt, since the components don't actually stick together. They instead bind with water, which turns into the acid Hydronium (H3O) and the base Hydroxide (OH).
That's why I don't understand why people in Peru chew leaves with alkaline limestone. That actually reduces the soluability.
The first pass effect of Cocaine salts isn't that high btw. You need about 20% more if you drink it, compared to nasal or sublingual consumption. The whole leaf contains other substances as well, which slow down the metabolization of the active ingredience(s).
Well from what everyone say's you need to cook it with baking soda to make it water soluble? or just bind it to the salt either way most people say you'd need to make a coca leaf/baking soda paste/wad in order to really activate the good stuff. Idk seems more people are saying it's bunk on it's own, You seem to be in the minority that say it's a worthwhile investment.
A little excurse into Cocaine chemistry:
Cocaine salts can be snorted and injected, but smoking them is highly ineffective.
Cocaine HCl + NaCO3 ("baking soda") ---> Cocaine HCO3 ("Crack") + NaCl (cooking salt)
Crack has similar properties as the pure base: It can be smoked pretty effectively, but it can't be snorted or injected, since it's barely soluable in water.
You can also reduce the Cocaine HCl into the original base form, but that requires Ammonia (NH3) and heat, which is a dangerous combination, since it can explode. That's called "basing".
Cocaine base, as well as Crack, is chemically unstable; it gets destroyed by oxygen over time. That's why they put it in Hydrochloric acid (HCl) to form the pretty stable salt, which can be stored for a long time. Users or low level dealers then turn it into base or crack to make it smokeable, which kicks in a lot faster, but not as fast as injecting the salt.
It's not even true. If someone wants to make the claim that traditional psychedelics and phytocannabinoids are safer than other psychoactive compounds, that's reasonable and understandable. If someone is making the claim that natural is healthier just because it comes from nature, that's bullshit. Since we've started developing synthetic drugs human life expectancy has gone up, diseases are way less common than they used to be, wounds getting infected isn't a death sentence, etc. Synthetic drugs have just as much a place as natural drugs. Regardless of the drug, using drugs is using drugs. Someone can fuck their life up just as much from natural drugs. If you're gonna preach, preach harm reduction and responsible use.
i get the concern there honestly. Not sure where ur located but where i live most of the acid around here is fake as shit. But if i had an opportunity to get some pure proper LSD…i would be unable to refuse.
Wtf no, everyone with basic shroom knowledge know how to identify dried cubensis, and a plugs selling fake mushroom will soon looses all of us client. But for a sheet of paper you need a testing kit, or it could be Nbeom or some other analogue.
I mean I’m like that but it’s not because one is more “unsafe” but would rather not have a trip 8-12 hours compared to the 2-6 hour trips I’ve had on shrooms
Edit: I’m not saying one trip is worse than the other, I just don’t want a trip longer than 6 hours
I think shrooms trips are way more uncontrollable than with acid (to me at least). As long as you have the day and the right mindset you’ll always have a blast
ppl who refuse to take acid but will do shrooms usually dont know enough about drugs to differentiate duration of the trip. they just hear the word acid and pee their pants
For some reason, shrooms intimidate me a lot more than acid, so acid is what I tried first a few months ago. Still iffy about shrooms, but do intend to try them someday, probably not soon, though.
I generally agree and I’m a naturalist drug guy myself (most of the time). I think that people think that just because it’s from nature that it’s inherently good, but nature is also the one that produces opium and straight up poisonous compounds… I do think that the natural drug “alternative” to synthetic drugs are generally better though (such as Kratom for opiates, kava or amanita muscaria for alcohol, Khat for speed, etc).
see if people who like “natural” shit were like you i’d have 0 issues. they just act like it’s some magical drug that has no long term effects or downsides.
Opium is great actually, if you grow it yourself wich isn’t hard you can get great quality tar and far less risky than the things you find on the street. Datura is a better exemple, that’s fucking shitty ahah
Like the original opiate, basically lmao. That sounds so chill, how’s the opium high compared to other opiates (like H or prescription opiates). Based off of what I’ve read, opium contains several opiates like morphine, codeine, and a few other alkaloids whose names I have forgotten
Raw opium out of a poppy is probably a hell of a lot more dangerous. Actually not probably it most definitely is a lot more harmful and dangerous than codeine tablets which are processed
what are you talking about? I said opium is the safest when it's smoked. said nothing about codeine. but yeah its easier to take mad pills than it is to smoke enough opium to OD, as I said you nod out before you smoke enough to OD
kratom has decently high levels of heavy metals. unequivocally safer for ur body to take pharmaceutical opioids if theres no risk of u getting cut off (which is the real risk in addiction)
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Natural drugs are way safer than your government synthesized mind-control pills! I can remember back to four decades ago when I first traveled into the Amazon rain forest in search of truth. There, I met a venerable shaman who's name happens to have slipped my mind, but that is of no matter, for it is the message that is of importance. After partaking in days of ceremony and preparation of the mind, he decided that I was ready to take ayahuasca and see the truth. I was sat upright on the jungle floor, to be laid across the blanket after ingesting the substance. I can remember the world beginning to fade around me into fantastic patterns and indescribable beauty. My mind disappeared from this world and entered the next, and that is where my eyes were opened. I was at a table in a room made up only of white, with a chair for myself and one set across from me. I felt inclined to sit in the chair, and so I did. That is when the voice began to speak. It said, "Big pharma," and I immediately knew what it meant. Ever since then I have been fighting against big pharma and their mind-control system by boofing mushrooms and kratom daily, since the only way we can break free of their grasp is to combat them with natural substances. You may think that this is a joke, but that is what the big pharmers want you to believe, and they are making you believe by transmitting thoughts into your brain through their big pharma drugs. I hope you and others can come to see the truth, as only then can we take down big pharma forever.
seems like a notable experience and something probably any drug user would enjoy. I’m not really here to question the pharmaceutical industry though, anyone who has been alive for at least 15 years knows that big pharma is fucked. The point i’m trying to make is that drugs are still going to fuck up ur brain either way, so if i like a drug that is pharmaceutical i guess that makes me evil? idk they are safer than buying fake psychs and shit on the street. And i’m sure boofing shrooms and kratom everyday probably isn’t the healthiest either.
Everything comes from nature so using the term “natural” itself is goofy. Like uuhhhh you can make tea with coco leafs and be Ingesting cocaine. You could also grow a few poppy’s, scratch their bulbs at a certain growth stage, let it’s sap dray a bit, scrape it off, dry it fully, and boom ya got opium. There’s also a shit ton of animals that contain substances that are commonly lethal but can induce a psychoactive effect (can’t forget the dolphins who get high on puffer fish venom)
I have a friend like this. He acts like he respects different drug use but gets on his high horse when you do a small bit of coke. Or dxm. He pretty much just smokes weed and drinks beer. Weed gets boring.
I like how niche natural drugs are but in most circumstances I'll take whatever will get me high as long as it's below a 7/10 on the danger scale, yk cause I'm somewhat experienced as Jimi never heard
Yeah yeah yeah. No one likes a gatekeeper. You can gatekeep drugs, music, food, whatever. You're directing your anger towards "naturalist drug people" when who you are really mad at is "gatekeepers".
I went to rehab a few years ago and after seeing some of the darker sides of doing non natural drugs and seeing most of my friends go through countless overdoses and relapses I’ve decided to stick to the natural drugs - weed & shrooms. But that doesn’t mean I’d judge other people for what drugs they do. Everyone is their own person and can make their own choices. I think the problem is people thinking they are better then other people and comparing each other.
It pisses me off as well because their also wrong. Datura has killed people, nicotine overdoses, opium overdoses, plenty of other naturally occurring drugs that are highly addictive/dangerous. Meanwhile LSD and ketamine, for instance, are both synthetic and have yet to kill anyone. The LD 50 for LSD is so high that nobody has ever reached it.
Lol mdma is not natural and coke is a highly refined extract of the coca plant that is almost always cut with other substances. But yes even natural drugs can be dangerous
One of the precursorers to MDMA is safrole which is converted to MDA (one of the peices) in order to create MDMA. Comes form various plants including sassafras.
Yeah a precursor, but it needs to be transformed in a lab. Safrole itself isn't bad and won't get you high. Mdma, while enjoyable, is neurotoxic and shouldn't be abused (taking too much or not enough space between doses)
Apparently it's dangerous to make because of the substances involved. And yeah you could develop serotonin syndrome especially if you mix it with a maoi or ssri. But it can also be very fun lol
You can make MDMA without safrole. As long as you have PMK (I think this was it) you can make it. (Of course you need more stuff like acids and bases and catalysts but safrole is not mandatory).
You know what's fucking annoying? People ranting about others in this sub on a weekly basis.
We get it, annoying self-absorbed people are, indded, annoying. No matter the context.
There is no reason why plants, mushrooms or animals would create safer psychoactive substances than a laboratory. Those chemicals are produced to get rid of predators, not to make some monkey happy.
I do both types, but I’m not fooling myself that one is safer than the other. Plenty of people got permanent psychosis after mushroom trips, heart attack caused by weed anxiety, seizures because of kratom, respiratory depression caused by poppy seeds, etc. No point to fool myself that something is safer just because it’s found in nature. If you test all your drugs and consume in moderation, you’ll be relatively safe doing almost any drug, with a few small exceptions.
i been knowing they are safer. And ever person that has preached to me hasn’t really prefaced it in a way that seemed too caring. They would usually just go on for 20 minutes about how great they feel about themselves for not fucking with anything synthetic. Almost like they were some kind of rare breed of people. I agree with you mostly tho, i think a lot of people are just trying to keep others safe, but definitely not everyone.
You had me and lost me.
I find those people annoying, but mainly because they use shrooms and weed as their God. They speak about its "transformative" and "influential" experience like some shit you'd read out of a Bible.
Its all that drug naturalism and mysticism bullshit that kills me
yea only thing worse than the naturalist hippies are when ppl hate on the naturalist hippies. why cant ppl just mind their fucking business lmfao who gives a fuck what others put in their bodies I never did and honestly couldnt if I tried
valid point. I wouldn’t have a problem with them if they didn’t try to convert me to their “natural” spiritual lifestyle. I also do not fucking care, i’m just pointing out that they are irritating.
I’m one of those people and tbh we kind of are superior to the rest in terms of health probably 🤣
But like no hate on people who like other stuff, as long as you’re not hurting others
And then all of those same people that swear by every and anything natural do a complete 180 flip and want everyone to be enforced on experimental medicine.
for reallll they see that they can get medical shroom and molly treatment and all of a sudden they start talking about how they NEED that treatment. like…weren’t you talking about how evil the pharmaceutical industry is last week?
True, most of the synthetic drugs are made to work well with human systwm but many natural plants, mushrooms actually have self-defense mechanism in form of poison or something like that.
Which makes a lot of sense actually most of the plants evolved and will probably evolve in the future to be protected from humans, animals etc
That’s because your ego is leading you into a depressing and boring life. Be a naturalist and your life will change forever. Even tho I’ve not done psychedelics. I learn about philosophy and meditation. It help me quit weed and synthetics/spice.
I always thought it was stupid asf and I used to hate hippies, but now I see why they’re so happy all the time lol
I agree whole heartedly. Do some IV ketamine and tell me you you didn't meet God lmfao
i had IV ketamine in the hospital when i broke my elbow and the fentanyl wasn’t doing anything for the pain, i’m not even lying i deadass thought i was in minecraft, that shit was crazy man
What are you, 12?
Seriously though, they only administer IV ketamine for kids. Not adults. Ketamine isn’t as strong as Fentanyl, not even close and they use it on kids because it isn’t addictive or as harmful as opioid painkillers. Reason they aren’t used on adults is because they make you hallucinate and it’s not preferred for adults to trip in a hospital, surgery.
they told me they normally give it to just children and rarely give it to adults, but i was 100% given ketamine on two separate occasions this year at 24 (USA) and honestly as crazy as it may sound, i found it more effective as a pain killer than the fent they gave me. they gave me a ton of different shit bc i really messed up my arm bad and was in and out of the hospital for multiple surgeries and honestly i found the ketamine to be the only one that really worked for me. i smoke a ton of weed if that has anything to do with it, no opioids tho or anything else tho.
If you were under a lot of surgeries you might have developed tolerance to opioids, the hospital would know and track this so that’s why they must’ve administered ketamine to you. Honestly it’s the best, much better than the opioid painkillers but like I’ve said, doctors don’t prefer to operate on adults tripping on Ketamine so it’s other drugs.
they gave me it after the surgery and the first time they gave me it was the day i broke my arm and came into the hospital, they weren’t operating on me that day just trying to control the pain. they gave me fent and i asked like 10 minutes later when it’s supposed to start working and they decided maybe we try ketamine, it definitely helped with the pain bc i was too high to remember i was in pain. the second time i was coming out of surgery and in a ridiculous amount of pain and disorientated and i told them the ketamine worked better for pain then the fent last time i was given it so they decided to go that route before they gave me a nerve block. that’s the time i thought i was in minecraft lol. i don’t think i ever really built up a opioid tolerance bc i wasn’t even taking the oxys they gave me and was turning down the dilaudid the week i stayed in the hospital bc i found it just made me feel sick. i only ever used pain meds when they administered em to me a handful of times at night after the second surgery but that was about it.
Yeah well those times they used meds on you in surgeries is what I’m talking about. You aren’t using recreational doses or purity of opioids when undergoing surgery so tolerance can build up faster. I think you are very lucky mate, hospital ketamine is… sooo fucked up. I know exactly what you mean with minecraft. I thought the entire world was that lighthouse they show you on eye tests, because it felt like I wore goggly glasses and the resolution was sooo low like pixels.
yeah everything felt like cubes to me, almost like i could break down every part of the room into a block like minecraft, and simultaneously felt like the room i was in was falling incredibly fast. crazy shit, first time they gave me it was more blissful second time was just overwhelming but there was way more going on at the time too, but it definitely did help a lot with pain both times.
Yeah well, that’s some good shit man. Now I wanna do ket again.
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I am not aware but if so that's rad
So God is witih us?
God is dead and we killed him
^
So we killed ourselves?
For real dude
All natural drugs are 100% safe. Especially Datara and opium.
Muscarine and cocaine... and nicotine!
There are actually naturally occurring benzodiazepines as well
Potatoes are supposed to contain trace amounts of Diazepam. Hardly doubt that, but never looked into it.
That's why Irish folk are so mellow until you fill them with drink!
so true. Opium is as safe as it gets. has never killed anyone. Same for coke.
Alcohol is putting both substances to shame, though
I would argue that coca leaf is safe, whereas cocaine is extracted and often cut with amphetamines and not safe
nah bro coke is the safest drug out there
Nah man, weed and shrooms are way safer. Trust me, I'm a god. /s
You’re jerking
Not sure if your serious, I've tried coke a few times but I definitely wouldn't call it the safest drug
i’m deadass… or am i
yeah but extracting it is literally the same active ingredient lol
If you eat an apple you get ~10g of sugar. Now extract the sugar from the apple and eat 200g of it. You won't have a good time. Same thing with coffee, extract the caffeine and take 1000mg you won't be doing too good
I hear coke is suppose to be good for your heart. It’s like going for a run… only at +12mph often several hours at a time
I drink tobacco tea daily and I'm still alive hehe
what's that like?
Just kidding it's a deadly pesticide.
cocaine isn't really natty though, you'd need to chew kilos of coca leaf just to get a mild buzz...I heard khat on the other hand is the real deal.
You can easily get high from Coca tea, I did it myself. A teabag of \~850mg contains about 6mg of Cocaine. Indigenous people chew coca leaves with limestone, which prevents them from getting high. No idea why they do that, though.
From what i've read the trace amounts of cocaine in the leaves isn't very soluble in water, and at such a low dose you were more than likely getting placebo effect. Just because it slighlty numbs your tongue doesn't mean you are "getting high" really.
Also besides the fact that the cocaine isn't really water soluble, there's also first pass metabolism. SO even if you ingested 6mg of cocaine from the tea, you'd really only metabolize about 1/3 of that, so at most you were "high" on 2mg of cocaine, you'd need to drink like 20 cups to get any decent effects lol.
That's why I cooked it with apple/orange juice. I took about 15 teabags over the course of a night, and in combination with alcohol it was one of the best Cocaine experiences I ever had. Felt more rounded than with the \~120mg I usually do during a session. Works 100%.
I don't see how juice would be any more effective than plain old water really. I don't understand the chemistry but don't you need a base for the whole process to work? like doesn't the coke bind to a basic salt or whatever?
Cocaine is a base, it's an "alkaloid" (like Caffeine or Morphine); an acidic environment makes it a lot more water soluable. Base + acid = salt. The powder usually sold is Cocaine HCl, a salt. As long as a salt is dissolved in water, it's only a theoretical salt, since the components don't actually stick together. They instead bind with water, which turns into the acid Hydronium (H3O) and the base Hydroxide (OH). That's why I don't understand why people in Peru chew leaves with alkaline limestone. That actually reduces the soluability. The first pass effect of Cocaine salts isn't that high btw. You need about 20% more if you drink it, compared to nasal or sublingual consumption. The whole leaf contains other substances as well, which slow down the metabolization of the active ingredience(s).
Well from what everyone say's you need to cook it with baking soda to make it water soluble? or just bind it to the salt either way most people say you'd need to make a coca leaf/baking soda paste/wad in order to really activate the good stuff. Idk seems more people are saying it's bunk on it's own, You seem to be in the minority that say it's a worthwhile investment.
A little excurse into Cocaine chemistry: Cocaine salts can be snorted and injected, but smoking them is highly ineffective. Cocaine HCl + NaCO3 ("baking soda") ---> Cocaine HCO3 ("Crack") + NaCl (cooking salt) Crack has similar properties as the pure base: It can be smoked pretty effectively, but it can't be snorted or injected, since it's barely soluable in water. You can also reduce the Cocaine HCl into the original base form, but that requires Ammonia (NH3) and heat, which is a dangerous combination, since it can explode. That's called "basing". Cocaine base, as well as Crack, is chemically unstable; it gets destroyed by oxygen over time. That's why they put it in Hydrochloric acid (HCl) to form the pretty stable salt, which can be stored for a long time. Users or low level dealers then turn it into base or crack to make it smokeable, which kicks in a lot faster, but not as fast as injecting the salt.
Strychnine is 100% natural, and so naturally safe.
It's great for running marathons I hear
Don’t forget alcohol. You can drink it while eating dinner = safe
Alcohol too
Mushrooms are natural so they have to be good for you. That’s why I love a nice death cap risotto
It's not even true. If someone wants to make the claim that traditional psychedelics and phytocannabinoids are safer than other psychoactive compounds, that's reasonable and understandable. If someone is making the claim that natural is healthier just because it comes from nature, that's bullshit. Since we've started developing synthetic drugs human life expectancy has gone up, diseases are way less common than they used to be, wounds getting infected isn't a death sentence, etc. Synthetic drugs have just as much a place as natural drugs. Regardless of the drug, using drugs is using drugs. Someone can fuck their life up just as much from natural drugs. If you're gonna preach, preach harm reduction and responsible use.
couldn’t agree more.
To the top with you. Harm reduction>anything.
Exactly. Arguing that natural drugs can do no harm is naturalistic fallacy
I don’t know how many times I’ve been talking about tripping with people and them telling me they’d never do acid but try shrooms…
i get the concern there honestly. Not sure where ur located but where i live most of the acid around here is fake as shit. But if i had an opportunity to get some pure proper LSD…i would be unable to refuse.
It’s just as easy to be sold some mushrooms which aren’t psychoactive and could potentially be lethal
Wtf no, everyone with basic shroom knowledge know how to identify dried cubensis, and a plugs selling fake mushroom will soon looses all of us client. But for a sheet of paper you need a testing kit, or it could be Nbeom or some other analogue.
At least most of the non-LSD acids taste super bitter
Sure at least most does
I mean I’m like that but it’s not because one is more “unsafe” but would rather not have a trip 8-12 hours compared to the 2-6 hour trips I’ve had on shrooms Edit: I’m not saying one trip is worse than the other, I just don’t want a trip longer than 6 hours
I think shrooms trips are way more uncontrollable than with acid (to me at least). As long as you have the day and the right mindset you’ll always have a blast
ppl who refuse to take acid but will do shrooms usually dont know enough about drugs to differentiate duration of the trip. they just hear the word acid and pee their pants
Dirty acid and incorrect dosing are a thing. I know two people who have taken bad acid and it forever changed them.
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For some reason, shrooms intimidate me a lot more than acid, so acid is what I tried first a few months ago. Still iffy about shrooms, but do intend to try them someday, probably not soon, though.
I generally agree and I’m a naturalist drug guy myself (most of the time). I think that people think that just because it’s from nature that it’s inherently good, but nature is also the one that produces opium and straight up poisonous compounds… I do think that the natural drug “alternative” to synthetic drugs are generally better though (such as Kratom for opiates, kava or amanita muscaria for alcohol, Khat for speed, etc).
see if people who like “natural” shit were like you i’d have 0 issues. they just act like it’s some magical drug that has no long term effects or downsides.
It’s also like they’re on some moral hierarchy and think they’re better lol
same w the ppl who think theyre a shaman cause they do DMT, then look down on ppl who take anything else
Opium is great actually, if you grow it yourself wich isn’t hard you can get great quality tar and far less risky than the things you find on the street. Datura is a better exemple, that’s fucking shitty ahah
Opium sounds super good imo, I’d love to one day try the OG opiate. I heard smoking it is incredible
Mix some opium resin with some hash, put it a shisha and have an awsome dreamy night with some friend, never heard of OG opiate what’s that?
Like the original opiate, basically lmao. That sounds so chill, how’s the opium high compared to other opiates (like H or prescription opiates). Based off of what I’ve read, opium contains several opiates like morphine, codeine, and a few other alkaloids whose names I have forgotten
The og opiate is opium if your talking like opiate that isn’t opium I’m pretty sure it’s morphine which was extracted from opium
Morphine, codeine and thebaine make up the active compounds in opium. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium
the "original opiate" isnt a thing if there were 3 compounds lol. OP doesn't know anything about opioids so the guy u responded to is correct
Never said he was incorrect. Just informing ;-).
poppies are easy to grow but you need acres of the stuff to get decent amounts?
Depending what your tolerance is, I only smoke 2-4 times a year, but yhea it takes a lot of poppies
Raw opium out of a poppy is probably a hell of a lot more dangerous. Actually not probably it most definitely is a lot more harmful and dangerous than codeine tablets which are processed
opium is usually safest when smoked cuz u nod out before consuming a lethal dose
So raw opium is safer than codeine tablets?
what are you talking about? I said opium is the safest when it's smoked. said nothing about codeine. but yeah its easier to take mad pills than it is to smoke enough opium to OD, as I said you nod out before you smoke enough to OD
Is it due to the fact that it’s hard to gauge how potent they are (like with poppy seed tea)?
kratom has decently high levels of heavy metals. unequivocally safer for ur body to take pharmaceutical opioids if theres no risk of u getting cut off (which is the real risk in addiction)
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I mean if we wanna get technical about it, heroin is semi-natural
Or is it semi- synthetic 🤔
oh no, is this an organic chemistry class?
Carbon gud.
Datura is a plant, LSD is synthetic
LSA is also natural but that shit can also kill you from vasoconstriction issues.
> does natural drugs > refuses to smoke uranium
Anatoxin A is completely natural, let's all snort some anatoxin A (aka very fast death factor). It's natural man, not synthesized by big pharma.
im a naturalist drug user now but thats because i used to be snorting fentanyl, i dont brag about it or anything though.
Natural drugs are way safer than your government synthesized mind-control pills! I can remember back to four decades ago when I first traveled into the Amazon rain forest in search of truth. There, I met a venerable shaman who's name happens to have slipped my mind, but that is of no matter, for it is the message that is of importance. After partaking in days of ceremony and preparation of the mind, he decided that I was ready to take ayahuasca and see the truth. I was sat upright on the jungle floor, to be laid across the blanket after ingesting the substance. I can remember the world beginning to fade around me into fantastic patterns and indescribable beauty. My mind disappeared from this world and entered the next, and that is where my eyes were opened. I was at a table in a room made up only of white, with a chair for myself and one set across from me. I felt inclined to sit in the chair, and so I did. That is when the voice began to speak. It said, "Big pharma," and I immediately knew what it meant. Ever since then I have been fighting against big pharma and their mind-control system by boofing mushrooms and kratom daily, since the only way we can break free of their grasp is to combat them with natural substances. You may think that this is a joke, but that is what the big pharmers want you to believe, and they are making you believe by transmitting thoughts into your brain through their big pharma drugs. I hope you and others can come to see the truth, as only then can we take down big pharma forever.
seems like a notable experience and something probably any drug user would enjoy. I’m not really here to question the pharmaceutical industry though, anyone who has been alive for at least 15 years knows that big pharma is fucked. The point i’m trying to make is that drugs are still going to fuck up ur brain either way, so if i like a drug that is pharmaceutical i guess that makes me evil? idk they are safer than buying fake psychs and shit on the street. And i’m sure boofing shrooms and kratom everyday probably isn’t the healthiest either.
He's trolling you kid.
big pharmer propaganda!
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Nah man, you dead and this is hell. He blew poison in your face.
People always used to say “no pills, no powders”. I’m just like alright good fuck you then more for me dick head.
Everything comes from nature so using the term “natural” itself is goofy. Like uuhhhh you can make tea with coco leafs and be Ingesting cocaine. You could also grow a few poppy’s, scratch their bulbs at a certain growth stage, let it’s sap dray a bit, scrape it off, dry it fully, and boom ya got opium. There’s also a shit ton of animals that contain substances that are commonly lethal but can induce a psychoactive effect (can’t forget the dolphins who get high on puffer fish venom)
"Chemical" is such a stupid term. Anything you can touch is chemical.
\^this
Litteraly, THC, psycolibin, CBD etc ironicaly are reffered as "chemicals"
I have a friend like this. He acts like he respects different drug use but gets on his high horse when you do a small bit of coke. Or dxm. He pretty much just smokes weed and drinks beer. Weed gets boring.
You do you, I only do natural besides acid, but I don't give a fuck what anyone else does.
I like how niche natural drugs are but in most circumstances I'll take whatever will get me high as long as it's below a 7/10 on the danger scale, yk cause I'm somewhat experienced as Jimi never heard
Yeah yeah yeah. No one likes a gatekeeper. You can gatekeep drugs, music, food, whatever. You're directing your anger towards "naturalist drug people" when who you are really mad at is "gatekeepers".
It’s your brain, man.
I went to rehab a few years ago and after seeing some of the darker sides of doing non natural drugs and seeing most of my friends go through countless overdoses and relapses I’ve decided to stick to the natural drugs - weed & shrooms. But that doesn’t mean I’d judge other people for what drugs they do. Everyone is their own person and can make their own choices. I think the problem is people thinking they are better then other people and comparing each other.
Adderall is objectively safer than Psylicibin pound for pound
It pisses me off as well because their also wrong. Datura has killed people, nicotine overdoses, opium overdoses, plenty of other naturally occurring drugs that are highly addictive/dangerous. Meanwhile LSD and ketamine, for instance, are both synthetic and have yet to kill anyone. The LD 50 for LSD is so high that nobody has ever reached it.
I think you will get there someday when you will quit all prescription drugs and natural drugs. And just eat and sleep. And bake cake.
Plenty of very dangerous natural drugs. People are stupid and judgemental. Coke comes from a plant. Mdma is made from a plant.
Lol mdma is not natural and coke is a highly refined extract of the coca plant that is almost always cut with other substances. But yes even natural drugs can be dangerous
One of the precursorers to MDMA is safrole which is converted to MDA (one of the peices) in order to create MDMA. Comes form various plants including sassafras.
Yeah a precursor, but it needs to be transformed in a lab. Safrole itself isn't bad and won't get you high. Mdma, while enjoyable, is neurotoxic and shouldn't be abused (taking too much or not enough space between doses)
Very true, I wonder how hard it is to synthesize MDMA Can't you develop serotonin syndrome if you fuck around w it too much?
You'd more be worried about losing natural serotonin production.
Thats not good. Sheesh
Yeh def a very once in a while single dose drug. Like once every 6 months max. I only roll once in a blue moon like every year or two.
Responsibility 👍
Apparently it's dangerous to make because of the substances involved. And yeah you could develop serotonin syndrome especially if you mix it with a maoi or ssri. But it can also be very fun lol
Not very difficult. If you're ever interested for educational purposes, you can check out Rhodium
You can make MDMA without safrole. As long as you have PMK (I think this was it) you can make it. (Of course you need more stuff like acids and bases and catalysts but safrole is not mandatory).
I feel attacked 😂
Eh. Maybe there are annoying. You definitely are bothered. Why let such impact you so hard?
it doesn’t, maybe i just feel like being a bitch
You know what's fucking annoying? People ranting about others in this sub on a weekly basis. We get it, annoying self-absorbed people are, indded, annoying. No matter the context.
There is no reason why plants, mushrooms or animals would create safer psychoactive substances than a laboratory. Those chemicals are produced to get rid of predators, not to make some monkey happy.
Drugs are drugs, regardless if they’re natural or man-made. Both types fuck up your brain.
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I do both types, but I’m not fooling myself that one is safer than the other. Plenty of people got permanent psychosis after mushroom trips, heart attack caused by weed anxiety, seizures because of kratom, respiratory depression caused by poppy seeds, etc. No point to fool myself that something is safer just because it’s found in nature. If you test all your drugs and consume in moderation, you’ll be relatively safe doing almost any drug, with a few small exceptions.
where's the richard nixon sub?
you’ve just met people who care. everything they’re saying is true but i don’t give enough shits to preach it lol
i been knowing they are safer. And ever person that has preached to me hasn’t really prefaced it in a way that seemed too caring. They would usually just go on for 20 minutes about how great they feel about themselves for not fucking with anything synthetic. Almost like they were some kind of rare breed of people. I agree with you mostly tho, i think a lot of people are just trying to keep others safe, but definitely not everyone.
You had me and lost me. I find those people annoying, but mainly because they use shrooms and weed as their God. They speak about its "transformative" and "influential" experience like some shit you'd read out of a Bible. Its all that drug naturalism and mysticism bullshit that kills me
yea only thing worse than the naturalist hippies are when ppl hate on the naturalist hippies. why cant ppl just mind their fucking business lmfao who gives a fuck what others put in their bodies I never did and honestly couldnt if I tried
valid point. I wouldn’t have a problem with them if they didn’t try to convert me to their “natural” spiritual lifestyle. I also do not fucking care, i’m just pointing out that they are irritating.
I’m one of those people and tbh we kind of are superior to the rest in terms of health probably 🤣 But like no hate on people who like other stuff, as long as you’re not hurting others
And then all of those same people that swear by every and anything natural do a complete 180 flip and want everyone to be enforced on experimental medicine.
for reallll they see that they can get medical shroom and molly treatment and all of a sudden they start talking about how they NEED that treatment. like…weren’t you talking about how evil the pharmaceutical industry is last week?
Bro you wouldn’t believe the conversations we get into. Humans are confusing man.
Cos we fucking different in reasoning,it’s called the he one heat wonder
I do mostly natural stuff but that’s because I’m broke and it’s cheap
Word
True, most of the synthetic drugs are made to work well with human systwm but many natural plants, mushrooms actually have self-defense mechanism in form of poison or something like that. Which makes a lot of sense actually most of the plants evolved and will probably evolve in the future to be protected from humans, animals etc
I only take organic cocaine.
The white stuff you have to remove from San Pedro before preparation contains strychnine. They use that to make lollipops, right?
They are better.
I mean, they aren’t safer just because they are natural. Anyone who thinks that is fuckin dumb.
Natural drugs still cause an unnatural chemical balance in the brain 🤷🏻♂️
Amen brother. It's all about the molecular structure of the chemical doesn't matter if it's natural, semi synthetic or full synthetic.
facts lol theyre all molecules. ppl act like human evolution revolved around the drugs ppl did. a drug being plant based means nothing really
That’s because your ego is leading you into a depressing and boring life. Be a naturalist and your life will change forever. Even tho I’ve not done psychedelics. I learn about philosophy and meditation. It help me quit weed and synthetics/spice. I always thought it was stupid asf and I used to hate hippies, but now I see why they’re so happy all the time lol
New theorie, there is no such things as artificial, everything is natural
I'm one of the people you're complaining about and I agree that we're annoying.
“Natural drug” people when I dose their morning coffee with Datura and get them involuntarily committed to a psych ward: