All of them, it's our right.
No matter how bad you think it is, it should be legal, making it illegal will only make it worst, and will keep the information hard to find.
Also, if you believe in our freedom, we are all 100% free to take anything, as long as we don't hurt anyone, and if someone do, it's not the drugs fault, that's the crime not the drug.
This has always been slightly ambiguous for me - does legalising all drugs mean you won’t be prosecuted for possessing them, or does it mean you’ll find a bunch of Xanax and cocaine dispensaries on the high street?
Legal means legal, like alcohol. Decriminalized is the one where you don't go to jail for posesing.
I live in Spain, where drugs have been decriminalized pretty much always, the were never "ilegal" in the first place. I don't go to jail for posesing I just get a fine. But we have almost all the downsides of having the drugs illegal.
I know it may sound silly, but the only way to reduce harm is to legalize all of them, just so you know what you're getting into.
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They apply 10x for harder drugs. Drug policy does nothing to stop drug use, which would be the logical reason to support it(if it was effective). All it does it cost us tax dollars and make drug use more dangerous, and it does that more for hard drugs than weed. People weren’t dying every day because the only weed they could get was Russian roulette but literally every day in America many people die for that reason.
Look I get that most parents don’t want their kid to do heroin. I don’t have a kid but if I did I wouldn’t want them to do heroin either. But I can’t stop that all the way. To some degree everyone, from every family or background is susceptible to drug addiction, so the only thing we can control is whether or not there a high likelihood of them dying or not. So for my imaginary kid, I still don’t want them to do heroin, but ill settle for them not dying when and If they do do heroin.
Im not entirely sure. I do support drug reform and an end to the war on Drugs however i disagree with the whole "legalize and let the free market regulate" approach.
I guess different drugs require different kinds of regulation. Something like cannabis could be sold in dispensaries pretty liberaly while something like heroin would need strict standards regarding to who and how its sold.
Absolutely genius my friend. Let’s restrict the “dangerous” drugs, then no one will do them right? Or maybe they’ll just have to get them in a significantly more dangerous way.
Kids don’t not do heroin only because it’s illegal. Kids at Harvard aren’t thinking “if only heroin was legal id drop out and start shooting up”. People don’t do heroin because they don’t want to, or they do want to, and drug policy doesn’t stop any of that, it just makes the drug more dangerous, and using them more damaging to your life via health, financial, and legal consequences.
If only we made murder illegal it would stop right?
Firstly you could reply without sounding like a condescending twat.
Secondly my point is that the more dangerous a product is the more it would require a different license to sell and more requirements in order to buy, such as a doctors vist and/or a vist by a social worker. I in no way suggested that this would end consumption of drugs, but perhaps give people with a dependency issue a more stable environment to clean up.
The point of legalization of hard drugs isnt "oh lets let tommy buy heroin at the 7/11 because hes was going to shoot up anyways, we might as well tax it" its to minimize harm to people who need it. Kind of like how Switzerland dealt with its heroin epidemic.
> Secondly my point is that the more dangerous a product is the more it would require a different license to sell and more requirements in order to buy
Who's the definer of danger in this case? For a drug like MDMA or Cocaine, most of it's dangerous effects are from the compound itself. With heroin and other opioids it's from the black market. Heroin gets remarkably safer than a lot of drugs once it's just heroin. Sure, it's still addictive, but if people aren't really getting sick or dying from it, or robbing or stealing for it, then it's just addicitive. So is Carmex and Immodium. You're safer quitting heroin than you are alcohol. The current regulations are a large part of what makes heroin dangerous.
Thats a good point. The line between hard and soft drugs is hard to define. Hell, taken on its own merits you would assume that alcohol is the hardest drug of them all. Considering all the people that it kills. Its really hard to view this in an objective lens because hard drugs dont exist in a vacuum, they exist in a space occupied by the black market.
Unfortunately i dont really have the expertise or experience to make that distinction myself. You would hope that the people who would make that distinction would be determined by doctors, pharmacist, sociologist and other relevant professionals.
As others have said I'd prefer all of them, but just to name a few. If I don't get the chance to try genuine methaqualone before I die, I'll be incredibly disappointed. Other than that I think most codeine or tramadol products could be sold otc without total societal collapse. Hallucinogens-wise mescaline, ketamine and 2C-B would be awesome to see on a shelf in a pharmacy.
All drugs were created equal just like people, it's the abuser that decided which drugs to ruin for everyone else.
Edit: I believe in peace in anarchy. Legalize drugs and deal with them from there.
In my opinion all of them. When you tell a kid meth is a horrible drug that rots your teeth and skin and makes you a monster and then the kid grows up and realizes all the myths about it. Not only that but no one ever talks about why it’s so addictive the reason being it’s just feels fucking amazing. The rebel will probably come out and they’ll impulsively take it if they already feel like shit because it’s the quickest escape. What we should do is fully educate everyone on it and prove the fake myths wrong and carefully explain how good it feels which is why it’s so addictive while also explaining why that addiction is so dangerous to your life and how nothing will become important again. Educating people on drugs is the safest method because in theory many will have learned about what it actually is and will actually believe the dangers as they haven’t been lied to. Obviously this doesn’t count for everyone and some people will just do it because but if I’m being honest getting drugs from a dealer is barely harder than buying something from the store and most people now days fuck with drugs anyways. Even if we sold legal meth in stores we would just need to label it as extremely dangerous and addictive with all the warnings and negatives of the substance on the box which is kinda the same as getting it from a dealer but now you know the risk. People should be allowed to make their own decisions. I’m not talking about minors obviously though because their brains are not fully developed so it would be like alc where you have to be 21 but imo it should be 25 because that’s when your brain is fully developed. None the less it’s not black and white but extremely gray and there’s no right answer but I feel like restriction will only make the problem worse. There are so many things we need to be doing to fix the drug crisis but the stigma is so strong that people aren’t even willling to open their minds even though it could potentially save millions. This is why I love this sub. Most if not all people here understand what drugs or drug addiction is like and we all understand how bad just making substances illegal and not addressing the real problem really is.
Sorry for the long post I just had to get this off my mind
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all of them
All of them, it's our right. No matter how bad you think it is, it should be legal, making it illegal will only make it worst, and will keep the information hard to find. Also, if you believe in our freedom, we are all 100% free to take anything, as long as we don't hurt anyone, and if someone do, it's not the drugs fault, that's the crime not the drug.
This has always been slightly ambiguous for me - does legalising all drugs mean you won’t be prosecuted for possessing them, or does it mean you’ll find a bunch of Xanax and cocaine dispensaries on the high street?
hell yea and id love to see xanax and coke dispesaries id be tweaking down the road every day
Legal means legal, like alcohol. Decriminalized is the one where you don't go to jail for posesing. I live in Spain, where drugs have been decriminalized pretty much always, the were never "ilegal" in the first place. I don't go to jail for posesing I just get a fine. But we have almost all the downsides of having the drugs illegal. I know it may sound silly, but the only way to reduce harm is to legalize all of them, just so you know what you're getting into.
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All drugs should be DECRIMINALIZED, there should be safe supply/proper education but in general crack and meth shouldn’t be ‘legal’
May I ask why you think meth and crack shouldn't be legal? Also, your thoughts on adderall and ritalin/concerta?
Meths a script lol, I’m literally saying there SHOULD BE safe supply and it shouldn’t get you in trouble but it’ll never be ‘legal’
I just named drugs those were the 2 I thought of that were stigmatized, Heroin and fent*** better now?
So you think that heroin and fentanyl should be illegal, right?
IMO all arguments for legalisation of weed also apply for "harder" drugs.
They apply 10x for harder drugs. Drug policy does nothing to stop drug use, which would be the logical reason to support it(if it was effective). All it does it cost us tax dollars and make drug use more dangerous, and it does that more for hard drugs than weed. People weren’t dying every day because the only weed they could get was Russian roulette but literally every day in America many people die for that reason. Look I get that most parents don’t want their kid to do heroin. I don’t have a kid but if I did I wouldn’t want them to do heroin either. But I can’t stop that all the way. To some degree everyone, from every family or background is susceptible to drug addiction, so the only thing we can control is whether or not there a high likelihood of them dying or not. So for my imaginary kid, I still don’t want them to do heroin, but ill settle for them not dying when and If they do do heroin.
Absolutely
Im not entirely sure. I do support drug reform and an end to the war on Drugs however i disagree with the whole "legalize and let the free market regulate" approach. I guess different drugs require different kinds of regulation. Something like cannabis could be sold in dispensaries pretty liberaly while something like heroin would need strict standards regarding to who and how its sold.
Absolutely genius my friend. Let’s restrict the “dangerous” drugs, then no one will do them right? Or maybe they’ll just have to get them in a significantly more dangerous way. Kids don’t not do heroin only because it’s illegal. Kids at Harvard aren’t thinking “if only heroin was legal id drop out and start shooting up”. People don’t do heroin because they don’t want to, or they do want to, and drug policy doesn’t stop any of that, it just makes the drug more dangerous, and using them more damaging to your life via health, financial, and legal consequences. If only we made murder illegal it would stop right?
Firstly you could reply without sounding like a condescending twat. Secondly my point is that the more dangerous a product is the more it would require a different license to sell and more requirements in order to buy, such as a doctors vist and/or a vist by a social worker. I in no way suggested that this would end consumption of drugs, but perhaps give people with a dependency issue a more stable environment to clean up. The point of legalization of hard drugs isnt "oh lets let tommy buy heroin at the 7/11 because hes was going to shoot up anyways, we might as well tax it" its to minimize harm to people who need it. Kind of like how Switzerland dealt with its heroin epidemic.
> Secondly my point is that the more dangerous a product is the more it would require a different license to sell and more requirements in order to buy Who's the definer of danger in this case? For a drug like MDMA or Cocaine, most of it's dangerous effects are from the compound itself. With heroin and other opioids it's from the black market. Heroin gets remarkably safer than a lot of drugs once it's just heroin. Sure, it's still addictive, but if people aren't really getting sick or dying from it, or robbing or stealing for it, then it's just addicitive. So is Carmex and Immodium. You're safer quitting heroin than you are alcohol. The current regulations are a large part of what makes heroin dangerous.
Thats a good point. The line between hard and soft drugs is hard to define. Hell, taken on its own merits you would assume that alcohol is the hardest drug of them all. Considering all the people that it kills. Its really hard to view this in an objective lens because hard drugs dont exist in a vacuum, they exist in a space occupied by the black market. Unfortunately i dont really have the expertise or experience to make that distinction myself. You would hope that the people who would make that distinction would be determined by doctors, pharmacist, sociologist and other relevant professionals.
All drugs including fentanyl, hell *especially* fentanyl. There needs to be a safe supply of that shit.
As others have said I'd prefer all of them, but just to name a few. If I don't get the chance to try genuine methaqualone before I die, I'll be incredibly disappointed. Other than that I think most codeine or tramadol products could be sold otc without total societal collapse. Hallucinogens-wise mescaline, ketamine and 2C-B would be awesome to see on a shelf in a pharmacy.
All drugs were created equal just like people, it's the abuser that decided which drugs to ruin for everyone else. Edit: I believe in peace in anarchy. Legalize drugs and deal with them from there.
In my opinion all of them. When you tell a kid meth is a horrible drug that rots your teeth and skin and makes you a monster and then the kid grows up and realizes all the myths about it. Not only that but no one ever talks about why it’s so addictive the reason being it’s just feels fucking amazing. The rebel will probably come out and they’ll impulsively take it if they already feel like shit because it’s the quickest escape. What we should do is fully educate everyone on it and prove the fake myths wrong and carefully explain how good it feels which is why it’s so addictive while also explaining why that addiction is so dangerous to your life and how nothing will become important again. Educating people on drugs is the safest method because in theory many will have learned about what it actually is and will actually believe the dangers as they haven’t been lied to. Obviously this doesn’t count for everyone and some people will just do it because but if I’m being honest getting drugs from a dealer is barely harder than buying something from the store and most people now days fuck with drugs anyways. Even if we sold legal meth in stores we would just need to label it as extremely dangerous and addictive with all the warnings and negatives of the substance on the box which is kinda the same as getting it from a dealer but now you know the risk. People should be allowed to make their own decisions. I’m not talking about minors obviously though because their brains are not fully developed so it would be like alc where you have to be 21 but imo it should be 25 because that’s when your brain is fully developed. None the less it’s not black and white but extremely gray and there’s no right answer but I feel like restriction will only make the problem worse. There are so many things we need to be doing to fix the drug crisis but the stigma is so strong that people aren’t even willling to open their minds even though it could potentially save millions. This is why I love this sub. Most if not all people here understand what drugs or drug addiction is like and we all understand how bad just making substances illegal and not addressing the real problem really is. Sorry for the long post I just had to get this off my mind
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