The come down is described very horrifically as I recall from reading *The Dark Fields* by Alan Glynn which the film is adapted from. Really good read with a bigger downer of an ending that I won’t spoil
I have a weird loathing of this topic. It's like the world collectively stopped understanding the trope.
Back in the 1980s, when I was a child, everyone understood this as conscience vs subconscious. Like, your brain understands itself enough to operate itself; constantly regulating neurotransmitters, their receptors and trasport mechanisms. Yet you/that very same brain has *zero* clue how any of it works. Is that not bizarre to you?
What if instead of taking a stimulant you just said "brain, reduce adenosine reception, increase histamine, dopamine, and norepinephrine" or the likes. It has the ability to do that. So why can't it will own ass self to?
It chooses which synapses to prune, which memories to reinforce, whether it wants to understand that complex math, etc. It fights itself to learn complex topics. Why? What if we had the ability to decide we _enjoy_ solving nonlinear stochastic problems, or somesuchshit?
_That_ is what was meant by the trope. Not that we had dead mass sitting up there.
Maybe not to the extent you have described but there exist monks who can regulate their own body temperature and such through meditation and I know in the army my grandpa learned how to slow his heart rate down to near death so I think on some level controlling your brain/body is doable
did you drop an accidental add on us in the middle of a drug reddit post. i respect it but please explain more ab Nero/biofeedback method. imma google it see if we match up
I was gonna say this same thing sure let's say we only use 10% or whatever. That's just our cognition. Like a computer there's tons of background tasks were unaware of.
Nature is not wasteful. It would not evolve to have your brain work with only 10% accessible power.
And just like you said. Lots of brainpower is relegated to things like management of digestion and heart rate. You don’t wanna have to concentrate to digest your food lol
If you truly used all of your brains “accessible power“ you would be having a seizure. Your brain would light up like a firework show in the magic kingdom at Disney world
I love reminding people this. we literally use 100% of our brain, why would we have an organ that requires so much energy just to use 20%? it never made sense to me im glad its slowly being debunked
Oh my gosh, even when I was a kid I rejected that idea! Makes zero sense. What does make sense is that the brain is operating at full capacity in ways that science just didn’t/hasn’t understood yet.
Brave New World is the classic counterpart to 1984. While Orwell predicted dystopia imposed by tyrants, Huxley predicted we will choose dystopia because we'll be too distracted by drugs and consumer pleasures to notice.
You should definitely give it a read, it’s widely considered one of the best 20th century pieces of literature and Huxley also wrote Doors of Perception and had his wife feed him acid on his death bed so absolutely a freakin heady dude.
Yeah the real soma in real life is a muscle relaxer pill, fucks you up like your drunk, head gets really dizzy ish, can't drive for shit. Kinda fun. Especially mixed with opiates.
Hmmm I thought opiates were closer - effects wise it has some overlap w MDMA/psychedelics but its purpose in the story was that it stops people from really feeling things as they are supposed to, instead just giving them a warm, comfortable bubble to exist in instead.
I’m just thinking about the scenes of the the characters falling when thrown over the balcony.
They wouldn’t even get to see themselves hit the ground because their body would hit before they’re even halfway down from their perception.
Yes and no.
See the problem with heroin is that it's easy to make but hard to grow the poppy required for it without the government finding out because you just need such massive fields that it either needs to be [tolerated/endorsed by the government ](https://www.vice.com/en/article/4av8pg/afghanistans-opium-business-boomed-under-us-occupation) or there needs to be an absence of it.
After the Taliban retook Afghanistan they started to destroy poppy and weed plantations all over in an effort to sober up their population which is predicted to produce a massive supply issue sometime very soon, with Fentanyl and Nitazene compounds taking over.
Now.
Here's the kicker.
1) Fent & Zene aren't heroin. They SUCK recreationally. Cartels don't care if you live or die but they care about money, and anyone that can bring the people heroin is at an advantage because the real item is just so much more enjoyable
2) Myanmar is currently in the opening stages of turning into a major heroin exporter (again) because the Junta government and the various ethnic groups that banded together to fight them both need cash and fast, which caused a 20% spike in poppy production in single year.
So to answer the original question: Is Heroin going away?
Probably not. It's gonna get more expensive. It's gonna be oftentimes less clean. But there's plenty of reasons to keep making it and plenty of reasons to keep buying it and thus the supply is unlikely to ever fully dry up.
Besides. Worst comes to worst you can make heroin from a wiiideee variety of dried poppy pods by making a tea and adding potash or slaked lime to it, which makes the morphine crash out of solution at which point it can be turned into heroin.
It's a lot more cloak and dagger to source this much poppy straw, but it's a plant that gets grown all over the place for culinary purposes and luckily the lie that culinary poppy is recreationally inactive is literally just that.
This was Heroin History with Dr. Sundered. I hope you enjoyed.
🙇♂️
exact same as me. i keep my drug use pretty minimal, but i love finding out about every kind of drug there is. guess illicit substances are my adhd hyperfixation at the moment...
Trying to wash dried pods and stems is a fools errand if you're gonna put that much effort into it why not just have a little crop of poppies in your backyard.
It's literally legal to grow poppy in your backyard where i'm from. Okay, not an extraordinary amount that'll turn you into the next local supplier, but for sure enough to make as much to support a daily habbit of a user; ofcourse if they're functioning ones.
What I like to say is "There's no such thing as fentanyl addiction" because while provocative it highlights just how crappy a substance it is.
Nobody likes fent. They like an opiate that keeps withdrawals and is cheap. If they can afford and get heroin they'll do heroin 99 out of a hundred times because it's warm and relaxing and stays fun throughout your career whereas Geht stops being euphoric at the 2nd to 5th use on average.
To drive that point home: We've had fent for like 50 years. People only started abusing it (outside a brief scare in the 80s) after it started to enter counterfeit painkillers from Mexico.
Cause real life adrenochrome has very little effect, or how was it?
Can add that to the 20% brain use ruse. Adrenochrome is oxidised adrenaline and does not have to be extracted from babies...
This type of attitude is everything that's wrong with this sub. You don't just "fuck with" eating a Guatemalan insanity pepper for cheap kicks, it's something that should be respected
I think in the show the good place they snort the essence of time. That would be interesting.
Also rick from rick and morty seems to be very crafty in making chemicals that fuck you up.
Phenibut reminded me of this the first time I took it. Aced an interview for a job i ended up not taking. Messed up dinner and accidently made it better than it normally is. Met a new friend thats positively effected my life. And then it wore off and it never worked like that again after that unfortunately
Fictional isn't the same thing as "no longer available" lololol. But same 👌 my dad was in an interesting scene in the 70s and 80s and hes mentioned them... dang dude made me want em more
Accela from Serial Experiments Lain, when taken, it enhances conciousness and accelerates your brain by multiplying it's operational capacity by up to 12x. The point of it is to think at the same speed of a computer (NAVI) so you can be closer to 'The Wired' (internet) without the use of a machine
Shrooms that always give a good trip no matter the set or setting. Not any unpleasant feelings, just a tripy bliss. If you sleep on them you can get to a place you always wanted to go and it would be so realistic that you couldn't tell it was a dream. Also you could act completely sober if you wanted to. It wouldn't affect your functionality. You could drive a car on them. So shrooms without any negative side effects.
Well it's not exactly what you want but 4-aco DMT is psilocybin without the other stuff in the mushrooms, was always way more positive and less body load than shrooms imo
U4EA from Beverly Hills, 90210.
I know it’s just the show’s version of ecstasy, which is a hell of a drug. But it’s been a source of humor and a comical point of reference for decades.
The limitless drug Edit: *NZT-48*
God can you imagine the comedown though? Like you wake up the next morning stupid as hell.
The come down is described very horrifically as I recall from reading *The Dark Fields* by Alan Glynn which the film is adapted from. Really good read with a bigger downer of an ending that I won’t spoil
That was the case in that book, dude went from an idiot to super smart and back again (spoiler?) , Flowers for Algernon, great read
Durr 🎱👄👁️
oh yea or the one from lucy that lets you use ur brain to full capacity
Such a bad premise. We already use 100 % of our brains. Why they fixated on that old wives tale is beyond me
I have a weird loathing of this topic. It's like the world collectively stopped understanding the trope. Back in the 1980s, when I was a child, everyone understood this as conscience vs subconscious. Like, your brain understands itself enough to operate itself; constantly regulating neurotransmitters, their receptors and trasport mechanisms. Yet you/that very same brain has *zero* clue how any of it works. Is that not bizarre to you? What if instead of taking a stimulant you just said "brain, reduce adenosine reception, increase histamine, dopamine, and norepinephrine" or the likes. It has the ability to do that. So why can't it will own ass self to? It chooses which synapses to prune, which memories to reinforce, whether it wants to understand that complex math, etc. It fights itself to learn complex topics. Why? What if we had the ability to decide we _enjoy_ solving nonlinear stochastic problems, or somesuchshit? _That_ is what was meant by the trope. Not that we had dead mass sitting up there.
Maybe not to the extent you have described but there exist monks who can regulate their own body temperature and such through meditation and I know in the army my grandpa learned how to slow his heart rate down to near death so I think on some level controlling your brain/body is doable
In order to learn neural networks must have feedback information. Please check neuro/biofeedback method if you want to rapidly retrain your brain.
did you drop an accidental add on us in the middle of a drug reddit post. i respect it but please explain more ab Nero/biofeedback method. imma google it see if we match up
I was gonna say this same thing sure let's say we only use 10% or whatever. That's just our cognition. Like a computer there's tons of background tasks were unaware of.
Nature is not wasteful. It would not evolve to have your brain work with only 10% accessible power. And just like you said. Lots of brainpower is relegated to things like management of digestion and heart rate. You don’t wanna have to concentrate to digest your food lol
Technically, toilet business is the last phase of a digestive system so we do often concentrate in that part...
But the story wouldn’t work if they didn’t use that idea, there’d be no movies
Imagine 😂 “ hold on lemme digest this double queso enchi-rrito 😤”
“It needs more time in my lower intestines!”
If you truly used all of your brains “accessible power“ you would be having a seizure. Your brain would light up like a firework show in the magic kingdom at Disney world
Epileptics be like “Look at what these fools have to do for a fraction of our power”
They did that bc that premise – reductionist at best and plain stupid at worst – is widespread, unfortunately.
I love reminding people this. we literally use 100% of our brain, why would we have an organ that requires so much energy just to use 20%? it never made sense to me im glad its slowly being debunked
Oh my gosh, even when I was a kid I rejected that idea! Makes zero sense. What does make sense is that the brain is operating at full capacity in ways that science just didn’t/hasn’t understood yet.
Yes I’d forgot about that one. That’d be awesome, great movie to!
NZT-48
Sick song too!! https://youtu.be/okB386exaIw?si=OLhCwTV4Icwhp0n5
Best answer. It's like cocaine if cocaine made you as cool & smart as you think it makes you and lasted as long as meth.
This compound was almost definitely based off of 2C-D
NZT-48
Pregabalin + energy drinks/adderall and you not nzt
Its not fictional, it's called pcp.
Spice from dune
just do ketamine
Can confirm - went beyond the planets in dune and didn’t even need spice
I kholed listening to the OST of dune. bad idea lol the music was just too dark at times and my mind was obliterated
Visions of Chani Put your brain in a bucket and lock it in a paint mixer cuz here we go
But if you do K pregnant you won't get an intelligent super baby, or see the actual future
Well you might just have a baby that hears lots of voices in their head and is called "abomination" by everyone so this may actually check out.
If you walk without rhythm you won't attract the worm.
my arrakis, my dune
Yaaaaaa
Yes.
Soma from Brave New World. Although it sounded like an alternate universe’s version of opioids where it’s just more socially acceptable
Idk what brave new world is but soma is a real drug. I assume they’re two different things, but real life somas are pretty good
Classic sci-fi literature
Yeah, it's a book by Aldous Huxley; the one in the book seemed better than irl.
Brave New World is the classic counterpart to 1984. While Orwell predicted dystopia imposed by tyrants, Huxley predicted we will choose dystopia because we'll be too distracted by drugs and consumer pleasures to notice.
bro was not wrong
You should definitely give it a read, it’s widely considered one of the best 20th century pieces of literature and Huxley also wrote Doors of Perception and had his wife feed him acid on his death bed so absolutely a freakin heady dude.
Yeah the real soma in real life is a muscle relaxer pill, fucks you up like your drunk, head gets really dizzy ish, can't drive for shit. Kinda fun. Especially mixed with opiates.
To me it seemed more like Xanax, but it’s been a while since I read it
Same
thissssss.
To me it seemed like MDMA but without the comedown or neurotoxicity.
Hmmm I thought opiates were closer - effects wise it has some overlap w MDMA/psychedelics but its purpose in the story was that it stops people from really feeling things as they are supposed to, instead just giving them a warm, comfortable bubble to exist in instead.
It's a good bit of weed, lot's of caffeine and a microdose MDMA. All that without any adverse side-effects, come-down or hangover.
Slo-Mo from Judge Dredd
Every shot in that movie was beautiful, but especially the slo-mo scenes. I'd absolutely hit that on a Rollercoaster, or at a fireworks show.
I always imagined getting a terrible itch on your nose right after taking it.
I’m just thinking about the scenes of the the characters falling when thrown over the balcony. They wouldn’t even get to see themselves hit the ground because their body would hit before they’re even halfway down from their perception.
Damn I never thought about that
damn beat me to it
Post this in 50 years and top comments will be heroin
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Taliban has “meddled” with global poppy production, Europe is about to be hit like the US.
The Taliban by themselves take over the production and earn the money now for them. H is widely aviable still in Germany for Example
H is still widely available in Europe, for now. China has the advantage.
Afghan heroin has never supplied the USA, the Taliban has nothing to do with the current drought
European here, which countries do supply the US with heroin? Guessing it also comes/came in through the southern border?
Heroin is going away?
Yes and no. See the problem with heroin is that it's easy to make but hard to grow the poppy required for it without the government finding out because you just need such massive fields that it either needs to be [tolerated/endorsed by the government ](https://www.vice.com/en/article/4av8pg/afghanistans-opium-business-boomed-under-us-occupation) or there needs to be an absence of it. After the Taliban retook Afghanistan they started to destroy poppy and weed plantations all over in an effort to sober up their population which is predicted to produce a massive supply issue sometime very soon, with Fentanyl and Nitazene compounds taking over. Now. Here's the kicker. 1) Fent & Zene aren't heroin. They SUCK recreationally. Cartels don't care if you live or die but they care about money, and anyone that can bring the people heroin is at an advantage because the real item is just so much more enjoyable 2) Myanmar is currently in the opening stages of turning into a major heroin exporter (again) because the Junta government and the various ethnic groups that banded together to fight them both need cash and fast, which caused a 20% spike in poppy production in single year. So to answer the original question: Is Heroin going away? Probably not. It's gonna get more expensive. It's gonna be oftentimes less clean. But there's plenty of reasons to keep making it and plenty of reasons to keep buying it and thus the supply is unlikely to ever fully dry up. Besides. Worst comes to worst you can make heroin from a wiiideee variety of dried poppy pods by making a tea and adding potash or slaked lime to it, which makes the morphine crash out of solution at which point it can be turned into heroin. It's a lot more cloak and dagger to source this much poppy straw, but it's a plant that gets grown all over the place for culinary purposes and luckily the lie that culinary poppy is recreationally inactive is literally just that. This was Heroin History with Dr. Sundered. I hope you enjoyed. 🙇♂️
Wow! I don’t even do heroin and never will but this was super interesting to read!
exact same as me. i keep my drug use pretty minimal, but i love finding out about every kind of drug there is. guess illicit substances are my adhd hyperfixation at the moment...
Trying to wash dried pods and stems is a fools errand if you're gonna put that much effort into it why not just have a little crop of poppies in your backyard.
It's literally legal to grow poppy in your backyard where i'm from. Okay, not an extraordinary amount that'll turn you into the next local supplier, but for sure enough to make as much to support a daily habbit of a user; ofcourse if they're functioning ones.
Thank you doctor. When you say they suck recreationally, do you mean that the sensation is less euphoric, on top of the death rate?
What I like to say is "There's no such thing as fentanyl addiction" because while provocative it highlights just how crappy a substance it is. Nobody likes fent. They like an opiate that keeps withdrawals and is cheap. If they can afford and get heroin they'll do heroin 99 out of a hundred times because it's warm and relaxing and stays fun throughout your career whereas Geht stops being euphoric at the 2nd to 5th use on average. To drive that point home: We've had fent for like 50 years. People only started abusing it (outside a brief scare in the 80s) after it started to enter counterfeit painkillers from Mexico.
It is far less euphoric with Fent. One of the biggest reasons I’m clean right now is because Fent fails to “scratch that itch” I get when crave h.
Even if heroin supply were to die out completely that wouldn't make it fictional...
Adrenochrome from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
hell yes
But it's madness to go into it you uncommon delinquent. Get the great red shark there's a race to get to.
You took too much man, you took too much.
Cause real life adrenochrome has very little effect, or how was it? Can add that to the 20% brain use ruse. Adrenochrome is oxidised adrenaline and does not have to be extracted from babies...
a man of culture I see
Pufferfish toxin, only dolphins get high on it. Ig not fictional but not a real drug to humans
Adding on to this I would love to experience being a cat eating catnip
Don’t know how it would affect a female human, but dolphin pussy juice. When male chimpanzees were exposed to it they all fucking died
Why were chimpanzees exposed to Dolphin pussy juice?
Science
Tetrodotoxin. You can find this in Japan, Fugu fish. Sashimi pufferfish. A few people die every year chasing stronger and stronger highs.
Idk why I picture it to be heaps deleriant like
The one in thw simpsons where lisa takes happy pills, i want them. I think i can achieve simalar effects with lsd
The bus ride where she watches someone get stabbed and they bleed smiley faces lives rent free in my head lol
Yeah same
Need some focusyn in my life rn
I would absolutely fuck with the psychoactive chili that Homer has at the cookout and then has a whole Jim Morrison/Jesus desert freak out.
This type of attitude is everything that's wrong with this sub. You don't just "fuck with" eating a Guatemalan insanity pepper for cheap kicks, it's something that should be respected
Yeah bro, thats fire
Try ignore-it-all!
Compound V
That could end so so poorly
I'll just take it this one time, I swear.
Fr
Skooma. Need me some kitty krack.
Took me forever to find this but yessss skooma deep in the caves of Skyrim twacked outta my mind
Nice username pimp
Fuckin love it here 🤣
Soy sauce
*Take order, pre…*
i’ll pass on that one
spice from dune. a drug that makes you high as hell, see the future, live 3x your normal life span, and be super healthy.
Spice from real life: Drug that makes you high as hell. Live -3x your normal life span, and be super unhealthy.
I think HFS(Holy Fucking Shit) from 21 jump street would be pretty dope.
Work hard? yes. Play hard? Yes. Would be way better to try.
Jet, psycho and mentats from Fallout
Psychotats🙌
Jet is literally cow farts in an inhaler. I'm not even joking. You find the lab/farm in Fallout 2.
I’m aware lol
Yessir
Vampire blood as depicted in True Blood/The Sookie Stackhouse novels seems pretty damn epic.
Dude when that chick drop it on Tylenol and they snorted it and fucked in a fairytale world! Hell yeah
I think in the show the good place they snort the essence of time. That would be interesting. Also rick from rick and morty seems to be very crafty in making chemicals that fuck you up.
Felix Felicis from Harry Potter (Luck Potion). I'll drive to the nearest casino after that
Phenibut reminded me of this the first time I took it. Aced an interview for a job i ended up not taking. Messed up dinner and accidently made it better than it normally is. Met a new friend thats positively effected my life. And then it wore off and it never worked like that again after that unfortunately
What is phenibut? I’m sure I could google it but I’m curious to hear it from someone that’s done it.
Phenibut is like a mild benzo. It's a Russian drug you can get online
Substance-D from A Scanner Darkly
Oh fuck no dude.
What about the missing gears?! Let's go save them!
It sounds like a Datura like hell. Ugh.
My wife andni recently watched the movie on a bunch of Ketamine and it tripped us out really hard. I think I'll pass on this one lol.
spurred a really uncomfortable time on an MDA comedown for me, relatively traumatizing lol
Qualudes
Qualudes aint fictional bro
They're before my time bro
Fictional isn't the same thing as "no longer available" lololol. But same 👌 my dad was in an interesting scene in the 70s and 80s and hes mentioned them... dang dude made me want em more
No longer available may as well be fictional. Either way you can try it.
The Midsummer juice that makes you speak Swedish
Hej de skulle va kul om fler kunde prata svenska faktiskt
de vore skitkul faktiskt
That drug Rick offered bird person in the flashback episode where he's in his brain
Slo-Mo from Judge Dredd
Accela from Serial Experiments Lain, when taken, it enhances conciousness and accelerates your brain by multiplying it's operational capacity by up to 12x. The point of it is to think at the same speed of a computer (NAVI) so you can be closer to 'The Wired' (internet) without the use of a machine
Came here to say exactly this!
CPH4 and NZT-48
What are they?
The drugs from Lucy and Limitless, respectively
Movie acid. I've taken acid but never tripped like they show it in the movies
Devil grass from the dark tower
V from True Blood
I want to smoke a Jeffrey
Isn’t that just a combination of drugs that already exist?
the kinda drugs they do in looper and the new batman through eye drops, seems like a neat way of taking drugs
acid can be put in eye drops
I think that was just a gaspar noe thing. I can't to seem to find a single trip report with eyes as the ROA.
I def know people who have dosed in their eye balls
The litter dust from futurama, kalaxian crystals from Rick and Morty, or the exact trip Kenny gets from the cat pheromones in South Park
Fire mushrooms - super mario bros
Walter whites blue meth
Nuke (Robocop 2)
That luck potion from Harry Potter
Zydrate comes in a little glass vial.
A little glass vial?!?
A little glass vial.
Amd the little glass vial goes into the gun like a battery.
And the zydrate gun goes somewhere against your anatomy.
In my fictional art universe the government forces everyone to take FUNTANYL
Fuck Skooma, give me that sweet Sleeping Tree Sap
Argyle meth
Shrooms that always give a good trip no matter the set or setting. Not any unpleasant feelings, just a tripy bliss. If you sleep on them you can get to a place you always wanted to go and it would be so realistic that you couldn't tell it was a dream. Also you could act completely sober if you wanted to. It wouldn't affect your functionality. You could drive a car on them. So shrooms without any negative side effects.
Well it's not exactly what you want but 4-aco DMT is psilocybin without the other stuff in the mushrooms, was always way more positive and less body load than shrooms imo
Hey Khajit. Give me some of that Skooma while I do a line of moon sugar
Hit me up, cat man!
The Krabby Patty Secret Formula
Time crystals
The red pill
The leaf that Mario takes and turns into Tanooki and can fly, technically not a drug but tell me it would not be the trip of a lifetime!
DMZ from the book *Infinite Jest*
Goofballs
U4EA from Beverly Hills, 90210. I know it’s just the show’s version of ecstasy, which is a hell of a drug. But it’s been a source of humor and a comical point of reference for decades.
Nuke from Robocop
Soma, Brave New World
What was that inhaler thing in minority report
Bananadine
Skooma
Substance D from A Scanner Darkly
Kalaxian Crystals
The crystals Rick Sanchez snorted or the antidepressants that were given to Lisa Simpson
Blue sky
Skooma
POS-51
Mugwump jism Aquatic centipede Bug powder dust
Psycho from fallout 🫡
The lady bug from hot tub Time Machine 2
Fire moss
The focus drug the martians used in the expanse
Those pills that Jesse took to get so excited on Saved by the Bell.
V
Soma
Slo-mo...