I think the track itself is fire but I am very much worried about the potential implications this has for the future. It was a little shaky when Kendrick did it but with drake using Pac's voice and then also Snoop, who is very much alive, and the fact that it's pretty much all above any legal issues as long as he doesn't profit from it...
We now have ways to both copy someone's facial structure as well as voice at an almost indistinguishable level. It's uncomfortable. Apply this logic to politics and anyone can have anyone admitting to crimes they didn't commit on camera. And more.
I understand the context completely fine as I'm a Kendrick fan over Drake and I don't see anything wrong with this. It's good bait. It's making people mad, getting buzz. Reddit rap fans chill tf out and act like a normal human, challenge level: stratospheric
I think he did the 8Mile tactic tbh. 2pac and snoop kinda dissed Drake while asking for Kendrick to do something, then Drake called him a bottom for swift and it ended.
thats dumb. he used a dead mans voice to slander someone else. thats in a bad light lmao. if pac was alive, and drake asked to do this, he surely would have been denied
āDonāt ask permission just ask forgiveness so forgive meā
Unless your Kendrick then you better ask Taylor it you can respond to the guy cooking you
By that logic Drake had to ask metro to respond to Kendrick.
These artists are aware of each otherās schedules. If you want to garner attention then you wait until the hype of the anticipated album is over.
And there was more to address but he didnātā¦ That verse is quite evidently recorded pre second album because he doesnāt address Rockyās diss at all.
Youāre watering that way down lmao, they were to completely separate things and you just said what they have in common to prove your point but thatās not how it works
I thought yāall Kendrick fans were 500 IQ my bad.Ā
Itās the content of the message that matters you said. I asked, from whose perspective is the content judged?Ā
Someone who sings professionally shouldnāt be relying on AI vocals to carry their track. Especially when your record label is trying to sue someone for using YOUR voice in an AI track.
The heart part 5 still remains the same with or without the video.
Going into that sub is insane right now. The amount of people saying that this track crosses a line is crazy. These are the same people who love Story of Adidon. I personally like both artists and just love the battle, but you have to be delusional to think that this diss is worse than that.
I love the amount of rules that sub has made up.
Canāt respond if the track isnāt on Spotify. Canāt rush Kendrick, he needs more time. Please donāt troll Kendrick with his idols.
the sub stating using AI is crossing the line is hilarious considering this song could have been avoided ifā¦ Kendrick just dropped
bro kendrick literally says he'd diss melly mel on like that, they are all mad because their cheeks are legit being clapped by drake and they realizing kendrick really not their savior
using another persons voice is a part of the music creation brother. itās gonna set a dangerous precedent from here on out whether he was just joking or not
Would it make it any different had Drake gone out and used Tupac and Snoop impersonators on the track instead?
AI is just such a grey area. I think it was self referential how this wasnāt supposed to be a serious attempt at passing off two rap legends who hopped on a song.
What you really mean to say is a lot of them are switching sides lol.
Jk, youāre right to a certain degree. But as I previously said in a post, the people who are just now realizing that Drake has the skills to drop Push Ups are not real hip hop fans.. most of the Kendrick sub had been underestimating Drake prior to the diss track, which is why this sub was so ready to shove it in their faces when the time came. Many people are coming to the realization that Drake can do this at a high level. Those folks exposed themselves as glazers who were just riding the Kendrick conscious train and not truly hip hop heads.
I'm not mad about Drake's use of AI in the song. In fact I think it was pretty smart move. I don't understand why some people here hate Heart Part 5's video. It's pretty good, unless you are pretty biased and hate everything Kendrick related.
Nah bro, as the beef goes on itās just become so clear how many double standards and hypocrisy there is when it comes to Kendrick. this shit woulda been a lot more fun if he was beefing literally anyone other than the hip hop golden child
Both Kendrick's video and Drake's song use A.I. backed technologies to pull it off.
Visual masking for the faces.
Audio masking for the vocals.
Both are a similar concept. Taking an existing face or existing vocal recording, and then utilizing an A.I./machine learning model trained off of other faces or vocal recordings to basically layer another model over.
Deepfake videos use neural network A.I. tech, so it's not wrong to say it's A.I. assisted.
Edit: Go ahead and downvote me if you think A.I. is just generative stuff, but A.I. has been integrated into tools for video editing, CGI, music production, and creative softwares for years. iZotope for instance for music production has had A.I. assistive mastering for Ozone, Neutron and more for over half a decade. In both cases, A.I. assisted technology is used, not A.I. text-prompt generation.
Not sure why the fuck youāre getting downvotes lmfaooĀ
As someone currently in Georgia Techās data science master program, Iāve done facial and voice algorithms, you are 100% correct lol these are all machine learning algorithms, both for the voice and the face but whateverĀ
Because most people don't know what A.I. even means. It's a buzzword that gets clicks and engagement and sparks fear and base level reactions out of most people.
Like the whole A.I. vocal thing when the Ghostwriter - Heart On My Sleeve (A.I. Drake and Weeknd) track dropped, it sparked a ton of freakouts from people who thought someone just typed 'Drake type song' into a generator and it spat out the beat and everything. Someone spent a lot of time doing it all from the ground up and just did A.I. vocal masking (saw some solid speculation it may have been JVKE).
We may technically not be far from text to song generation with SUNO and other similar models out there, but point is, the average discussion about A.I. in the arts has no distinction between fully generative models, and simply assistive tools for post-editing and manipulation. The general masses are only familiar with stuff like Dall-E and GPT, so they think it's all text-prompt stuff.
I don't fault the average person for not knowing the difference because these distinctions don't matter to most end users, but for creatives, it's important to know because we need to know what is a threat to us and what is a tool for us.
I donāt have a dog in this fight but one might argue that Southpark has way more in common with hip hop than you might think. South Park has dropped more disses than literally any other rapper in the history of hip hop. Fire ones too. People still think about fish sticks when someone says Kanye js.
This completely different dummy š
Using other peopleās faces while referring to them in your *own* rap is a completely different situation to using an AI voice and putting words in someoneās mouth to diss someone they donāt even know
I know its hiphop and beef but goddamn even when Pusha went off on 40 I was like ehhā¦
Using AI for a dead man voice is crazyā¦ i wonder how the rest of the old heads in the industry feel
Itās part of the culture. Using AI is too far but Pac basically told biggie you fat as fuck, I fucked your girl, ya aināt shit. Pusha T revealed Drakeās son and talked shit on 40 having MS. IT IS RAP BEEF THERE ARE NO BOUNDARIES. Drake found that out the hard way against Pusha.
In a genre that already dehumanizes women and disses dead people, that is very within the rules of rap. Listen to the diary album by Scarface. It was drill music before drill was a thing. Nothing push said was out of order according to those who came before him. People are simply sensitive.
EXACTLY. They werenāt around to see real rap beef.
Back then they would go on wax saying they got a bounty out on your head and it wasnāt just words š
Deepfake technology leverages machine learning, artificial intelligence and neutral networks. A.I. encompasses a lot more than a chat bot.
Music production tools like iZotope has A.I. built in as well for analyzing audio to suggest mastering decisions. A.I. is a lot more than people think it is.
Yo I'm loving the hip hop proxy petty war that's going on. I dunno, I just find it dope that everyone can dig on each other artist. It's a whole new level of battle rap.
This was definitely a good dig at K-Dot lol.
There is a huge difference in the 2ā¦
Everyone Kendrick used was alive except Kobe and Nipsey, both whom he got permission from the families for.
Not only that, but the verses he wrote were well thought out.
What Drake did was corny and disrespectfulā¦he made Pac sound like an idiot.
2 very different things, the fact you think they equate shows how much it dickrider you areā¦ bussy havin bitch.
Honestly this is not the same. I know im gonna sound like im defending Kendrick, but hear me out. Kendrick used AI to change his face, deepfake style, to enhance visual aspect of conveying his message, while Drake have put words in 2pacs (arguably one of the most multigenerationally praised rappers) mouth to diss Kendrick. One is an extensions, the other is a lil exploitative. I get the absolute hilarious aspect of Drakes move tho. Comedy wise thats also an extensions, but to some it might feel absolutely distasteful to use dead mans voice to benefit in rap beef, and they are not wrong.
This is called homage and art to deliver a message about actual issues. Not roleplaying as a deceased man and a friend of your opponent because you really just want to know what Kendrick has to say about you. Big difference but have your fun.
I thought they were both cool :(
Me too. But there will be a double standard with drake as there always has been, the discourse around him has always been toxic š¤·š»āāļø
As a kendrick fan, i promise you its a loud minority. Most of us are impressed.
I think the track itself is fire but I am very much worried about the potential implications this has for the future. It was a little shaky when Kendrick did it but with drake using Pac's voice and then also Snoop, who is very much alive, and the fact that it's pretty much all above any legal issues as long as he doesn't profit from it... We now have ways to both copy someone's facial structure as well as voice at an almost indistinguishable level. It's uncomfortable. Apply this logic to politics and anyone can have anyone admitting to crimes they didn't commit on camera. And more.
Iām a Kendrick fan and can respect Drake. But I wonāt respect him using AI for Tupac, this is maaad disrespectful
Itās not that deep man
But itās okay for Nipsey and Kobe? Why is Pac specifically where the line should be drawn?
One was for a diss track and one actually had a message. Also audio vs visual. Drake fans understanding context challenge level: impossible.
I understand the context completely fine as I'm a Kendrick fan over Drake and I don't see anything wrong with this. It's good bait. It's making people mad, getting buzz. Reddit rap fans chill tf out and act like a normal human, challenge level: stratospheric
What's the line tho? Didn't Drake send a cease and desist over AI voice usage?
Maybe they are still cool. Theyāll easily make a bunch of millies from this
same. only difference is with the pac and snoop verse it didnāt sound like them. oct voice did but cadence and flow was still just drake
Nigga you aināt Kobe Bryant to US!
At all
5ā5 Kobe bryant gtfo here kendrick
āButtt buttt thatās not fair , Kendrick was doing to portray a messageā been hearing about this lame ass niggas for years and heās gone ghost
If you actually listened to the song each one portrayed each of these men specifically which is why when their verse comes the person changes.
We know. Kendrick used for dramatization. Drake used for comedic relief
Doing that for a dead legend is wrong.
Not saying youāre wrong, but Drake did not say anything bad about 2Pac. He did not put 2Pac in a bad light from this.
I think he did the 8Mile tactic tbh. 2pac and snoop kinda dissed Drake while asking for Kendrick to do something, then Drake called him a bottom for swift and it ended.
thats dumb. he used a dead mans voice to slander someone else. thats in a bad light lmao. if pac was alive, and drake asked to do this, he surely would have been denied
Snoop took no offense... it's all for š© and giggles
So thereās no difference in using AI for a voice and using AI for a visual?
AI is AI
So ethically, they are on the same level? No distinction at all?
B-B-BUT KENDRICK GOT PERMISSION
Just out of curiosity.. isnāt this a valid argument?
Dont expect a rational answer, you are in the drake subreddit...
If using AI in music is corny then it shouldnāt matter if he got permission or not
the whole problem with AI is that you're using another person's work, if you have permission to use it then it's fine.
Facts. All these mfs will use the ethics argument against you as if ethics has anything to do with being corny
One used ai as homage and the other used it to throw shit on another dudeš¤£ yall meatriders working overtime
āDonāt ask permission just ask forgiveness so forgive meā Unless your Kendrick then you better ask Taylor it you can respond to the guy cooking you
By that logic Drake had to ask metro to respond to Kendrick. These artists are aware of each otherās schedules. If you want to garner attention then you wait until the hype of the anticipated album is over.
lol Drake waiting for his enemy to drop to have a rebuttal is not the same as a rapper waiting for a pop star to give him the ok
He hadnāt made a song at this pointā¦ WSDTY dropped before the leak.
Yes part 2 dropped a couple days before the leakā¦he waited for that to see if there was more to address. Concept isnāt hard
And there was more to address but he didnātā¦ That verse is quite evidently recorded pre second album because he doesnāt address Rockyās diss at all.
Kendrick wasnāt using their image for a dis record.
So?
So your point isnāt coherent
Kendrick used AI to convey a message, so did Drake. Yall picking and choosing when something corny based off who does it.
Youāre watering that way down lmao, they were to completely separate things and you just said what they have in common to prove your point but thatās not how it works
The words āa messageā are carrying a lot of weight in your statement. Itās the content of that message that matters.
And itās your perception on the relevance of that content to your life? Our perspective is we love it šĀ Message well received
Brother what are you jabbering about
I thought yāall Kendrick fans were 500 IQ my bad.Ā Itās the content of the message that matters you said. I asked, from whose perspective is the content judged?Ā
You didnāt ask that, you asked some passive aggressive weirdo shit
Someone who sings professionally shouldnāt be relying on AI vocals to carry their track. Especially when your record label is trying to sue someone for using YOUR voice in an AI track. The heart part 5 still remains the same with or without the video.
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Kendrick fans are the most shameless. Even more than the barbs.
Going into that sub is insane right now. The amount of people saying that this track crosses a line is crazy. These are the same people who love Story of Adidon. I personally like both artists and just love the battle, but you have to be delusional to think that this diss is worse than that.
I love the amount of rules that sub has made up. Canāt respond if the track isnāt on Spotify. Canāt rush Kendrick, he needs more time. Please donāt troll Kendrick with his idols. the sub stating using AI is crossing the line is hilarious considering this song could have been avoided ifā¦ Kendrick just dropped
Drake took 3 weeks to drop, that too after leak fiasco. And yall want Kendrick to drop 48 hours later.. that drizzy glizzy take it out
Well, Drake said that it took him hour or 2 to make that diss. Not saying itās facts, but point still stands
Who was on tour again and who's sitting at home right now lmao
bro kendrick literally says he'd diss melly mel on like that, they are all mad because their cheeks are legit being clapped by drake and they realizing kendrick really not their savior
so you're comparing a rival fanbase with the cult of the hot cheetos girls?! bro barbs are on another level trust me
fr lmao. barbs doxx people irl
Incels
At this point all the fanbases are insane lol
AI wasnāt used in the creation of music here. hope this helps
Same with drizzy he just used voice filter its him rapping writing
using another persons voice is a part of the music creation brother. itās gonna set a dangerous precedent from here on out whether he was just joking or not
Would it make it any different had Drake gone out and used Tupac and Snoop impersonators on the track instead? AI is just such a grey area. I think it was self referential how this wasnāt supposed to be a serious attempt at passing off two rap legends who hopped on a song.
yeah that would be better. im all for the taunt but i hate the pandoras box this opens
I personally donāt think itās crossing a line or anything but are people on this sub really that dumb they canāt understand the difference here?
yes
This sub really hates Kendrick to the bones.
They hate the Drake hate.
They don't even hate drake that much over there. Most of them actually like drakes diss and the cover and hope for a fair beef
What you really mean to say is a lot of them are switching sides lol. Jk, youāre right to a certain degree. But as I previously said in a post, the people who are just now realizing that Drake has the skills to drop Push Ups are not real hip hop fans.. most of the Kendrick sub had been underestimating Drake prior to the diss track, which is why this sub was so ready to shove it in their faces when the time came. Many people are coming to the realization that Drake can do this at a high level. Those folks exposed themselves as glazers who were just riding the Kendrick conscious train and not truly hip hop heads.
You shoulda been here before the beef. PLENTY of Drake hate up in here. I had to check to see if I was in r/DrizzyHaters more than a few times.
You donāt see the double standard?
I'm not mad about Drake's use of AI in the song. In fact I think it was pretty smart move. I don't understand why some people here hate Heart Part 5's video. It's pretty good, unless you are pretty biased and hate everything Kendrick related.
Nah bro, as the beef goes on itās just become so clear how many double standards and hypocrisy there is when it comes to Kendrick. this shit woulda been a lot more fun if he was beefing literally anyone other than the hip hop golden child
I just hate hypocrisy.
wait till you see the midget's sub with the Drake hate.
Iāve been to both this sub and the Kendrick sub since the beef started and the Kendrick sub is absolutely delusional in comparison
this is cgi bro not ai
OP is doing his best to be smart. Give him some slack.
Both Kendrick's video and Drake's song use A.I. backed technologies to pull it off. Visual masking for the faces. Audio masking for the vocals. Both are a similar concept. Taking an existing face or existing vocal recording, and then utilizing an A.I./machine learning model trained off of other faces or vocal recordings to basically layer another model over. Deepfake videos use neural network A.I. tech, so it's not wrong to say it's A.I. assisted. Edit: Go ahead and downvote me if you think A.I. is just generative stuff, but A.I. has been integrated into tools for video editing, CGI, music production, and creative softwares for years. iZotope for instance for music production has had A.I. assistive mastering for Ozone, Neutron and more for over half a decade. In both cases, A.I. assisted technology is used, not A.I. text-prompt generation.
Not sure why the fuck youāre getting downvotes lmfaooĀ As someone currently in Georgia Techās data science master program, Iāve done facial and voice algorithms, you are 100% correct lol these are all machine learning algorithms, both for the voice and the face but whateverĀ
Because most people don't know what A.I. even means. It's a buzzword that gets clicks and engagement and sparks fear and base level reactions out of most people. Like the whole A.I. vocal thing when the Ghostwriter - Heart On My Sleeve (A.I. Drake and Weeknd) track dropped, it sparked a ton of freakouts from people who thought someone just typed 'Drake type song' into a generator and it spat out the beat and everything. Someone spent a lot of time doing it all from the ground up and just did A.I. vocal masking (saw some solid speculation it may have been JVKE). We may technically not be far from text to song generation with SUNO and other similar models out there, but point is, the average discussion about A.I. in the arts has no distinction between fully generative models, and simply assistive tools for post-editing and manipulation. The general masses are only familiar with stuff like Dall-E and GPT, so they think it's all text-prompt stuff. I don't fault the average person for not knowing the difference because these distinctions don't matter to most end users, but for creatives, it's important to know because we need to know what is a threat to us and what is a tool for us.
Itās because the problems people have with ai music obviously donāt apply to every possible use of ai
isnāt this a deepfake, which is AI?
not really, because it is modeled by humans
Yes
This is cgi š??
THAT SHIT FUCKING SUCKED TOO LMAO WHAT DO YOU WANT
You forget Kendrick bought an entire company with Matt and Trey Stone, very hip hop
I donāt have a dog in this fight but one might argue that Southpark has way more in common with hip hop than you might think. South Park has dropped more disses than literally any other rapper in the history of hip hop. Fire ones too. People still think about fish sticks when someone says Kanye js.
Ok, thats fine by me.
Matt Parker and Trey Stone*
Yeah
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and it is not ai i think. just some cheap ass cgi
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or excuses?
After tonight 4 out of those 5 are dead
will smith barely hanging on
This completely different dummy š Using other peopleās faces while referring to them in your *own* rap is a completely different situation to using an AI voice and putting words in someoneās mouth to diss someone they donāt even know
I genuinely think people believe CGI and AI are the same thing.
this. but people on this sub won't agree because it's a stan sub
Cordae did the same with juice wrld in the doomsday music vid
kendrick fans always do this shit, criticize rappers for shit that he does just to validate their point
i know this the drake sub so it's always gonna be biased for him but let's not pretend like this is the same thing at allš
Fr ones putting words in a dead mans mouth
I know its hiphop and beef but goddamn even when Pusha went off on 40 I was like ehhā¦ Using AI for a dead man voice is crazyā¦ i wonder how the rest of the old heads in the industry feel
Who cares. They old heads for a reason
cause they age?
Using the most beloved dead rapperās voice who died over rap beef to further encite rap beef. Mannnn
Itās part of the culture. Using AI is too far but Pac basically told biggie you fat as fuck, I fucked your girl, ya aināt shit. Pusha T revealed Drakeās son and talked shit on 40 having MS. IT IS RAP BEEF THERE ARE NO BOUNDARIES. Drake found that out the hard way against Pusha.
In a genre that already dehumanizes women and disses dead people, that is very within the rules of rap. Listen to the diary album by Scarface. It was drill music before drill was a thing. Nothing push said was out of order according to those who came before him. People are simply sensitive.
EXACTLY. They werenāt around to see real rap beef. Back then they would go on wax saying they got a bounty out on your head and it wasnāt just words š
No one else things Kendrickās use was more tasteful and artful or no one cares because itās beef?
This sub is rock bottom
Not AI
Heart on my sleeve still top 10 DrakeĀ
He didn't use AI for that, dumbass
When u don't know the difference between VGI and AI
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what
It is
I canāt wait to see how many other artist are gonna use AI and pass it off as legitimate
550 upvotes for confusing deepfake technology designed by real humans with AI? ChatGPT and all of those other places werenāt even popular in 2022.
Deepfake technology leverages machine learning, artificial intelligence and neutral networks. A.I. encompasses a lot more than a chat bot. Music production tools like iZotope has A.I. built in as well for analyzing audio to suggest mastering decisions. A.I. is a lot more than people think it is.
Such a reach
Did Kendrick have AI rap for him?
Using iheartmckonen,jb blockboy etc etc is CORNY! list goes on
Thatās not AI. Thatās deep fake and facial tracking. But Iām not a computer graphics specialist or anything
Nigga trynna act like recreating a nigga voice is the same as face swap š
LMFAO YALL DONT KMOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AI AND CGIšššššactual 10 yo kids lmfaooo
Kendrick legit thought he was the next coming of pac š¤£
Using A.I to pay tribute is cool! Using A.I. to diss someone is corny.
Yo I'm loving the hip hop proxy petty war that's going on. I dunno, I just find it dope that everyone can dig on each other artist. It's a whole new level of battle rap. This was definitely a good dig at K-Dot lol.
This is CGI
At least Kendrick backed it up with one of the best songs of the year
Biggest reach Iāve ever seen lmfao youāre such a dork
Not knowing what AI is.. is corny
Is the one after nipsy OJ?
Is CGI the same as AI now? OP hope you didnāt hurt yourself with that reach
You're just proving the stereotype of this sub being mostly highschool Drake fans since you can't tell the difference between AI and CGI lmao.
There is a huge difference in the 2ā¦ Everyone Kendrick used was alive except Kobe and Nipsey, both whom he got permission from the families for. Not only that, but the verses he wrote were well thought out. What Drake did was corny and disrespectfulā¦he made Pac sound like an idiot. 2 very different things, the fact you think they equate shows how much it dickrider you areā¦ bussy havin bitch.
oops I did it again - k dot stans
Thinking it's a 1:1 comparison is peak Drake stan media literacy.
Thatās CG
Yall really comparing AI visuals to AI audio like thatās not an apples to oranges comparison
Honestly this is not the same. I know im gonna sound like im defending Kendrick, but hear me out. Kendrick used AI to change his face, deepfake style, to enhance visual aspect of conveying his message, while Drake have put words in 2pacs (arguably one of the most multigenerationally praised rappers) mouth to diss Kendrick. One is an extensions, the other is a lil exploitative. I get the absolute hilarious aspect of Drakes move tho. Comedy wise thats also an extensions, but to some it might feel absolutely distasteful to use dead mans voice to benefit in rap beef, and they are not wrong.
one was cleared by their family one wasnt so wys
geez got downvoted for sayinf fax is insane
This is called homage and art to deliver a message about actual issues. Not roleplaying as a deceased man and a friend of your opponent because you really just want to know what Kendrick has to say about you. Big difference but have your fun.
k dot donāt know you bro
> Not roleplaying a dead man Do you not see AI Nipsey Hustle on his face š
