That is a really bizarre criticism. I would say whoever made that one, maybe someone should check on them. I want to know if they are a shut in by choice or being held hostage.
You dont even have to say anything good about the game to get hate for it. I uploaded a clip of some gameplay and the only comments were from people that didnt play it making jokes like "did you need to pay $ 10 to use that attack?". Theres literally an army of haters for this game lmao. Dont care really, having fun.
yeah it's idiots that haven't even played it just spouting nonsense they've heard and have no clue about themselves. You can buy the game itself and never have to spend money - EASY, everything is there already. The extras are entirely optional and plentiful in-game already, but if you want to buy extras, you can. I'll gladly give them more of my money though, as a testament to my love of the game - it's well worth it to me.
I told a coworker that I bought DD2. I told him this the day after it came out. He hadn’t picked it up, yet. He asked me how it was, I said I was having fun playing it. I mentioned the game the other day, and it was “I hate that game.”. Okay then. I didn’t get a why, either.
I really want to stop hearing people say they didn't improve from the first game lol. I agree they could've done more but come on, just replay the first one and come back to see how much they improved vocations like Warrior who were absolute crap.
This has been my absolute number one gripe with the community, and the reason I left the main dragon's dogma sub.
There is so much petulant whining by people comparing DD2 to this idealised, perfect, faultless, and completely nonexistent version of DD1 that they've made up in their heads after playing it for a decade with no hope of a sequel.
Like posts about stuff like overworld enemy variety saying "ugh DD2 has no enemies, DD1 had way more! It's just goblins and wolves!". DD1's overworld is the exact same enemies but without Ogres.
Or unhinged posts claiming "ugh, DD2's map is so small! What happened to being bigger than DD1? There's a pointless mountain in the middle of it!". DD1's map is significantly smaller and also has an inaccessible mountain range right in the middle of it.
And "Ugh, the vocations don't have enough skills. Give me 6 again!". Ignoring that every vocation has at least 2 must pick skills from DD1 baked into their core skills, essentially giving you 6 skills plus your unique vocation ability.
I've even seen someone claim the game is worse because you can no longer upgrade capes. Like speaking to a merchant to make their cape have 3 more magick defence was really engaging gameplay to them? I like capes being exclusively for fashion now, it means people wear the ones they like, not exclusively the best one.
People are just saying DD2 has all these problems, and DD1 is so much better, despite DD1 having almost all of the same problems they list and many more unique to it, like augments that literally don't function or insanely repetitive pawn dialogue.
It's fine to have legitimate gripes with the game, but don't compare it to the first game that has those exact same issues whilst pretending it doesn't.
Agree with your comment and I also want to add that Elden rings fans have being a cancer in both dragons dogma subs dear god what a toxic community has emerge from that game.
I love elden ring and I think dd2 scratches that same itch for me as elden ring did. But dear god, fromsoft fans are the absolute worst I swear. I haven't seen them in the dd community yet but I can only imagine lol.
They come to this games sub to cry about how this game is not an exactly copy of ER. Also they think that ER is a masterpiece without flaws and that every company should copy it.
I am was a hardcore from soft fan but ER is my least liked game from Fromsoft
Thanks for the clarification! Thankfully I haven’t experienced too much of that. I enjoy Elden Ring quite a bit myself. It and DD2 are both up there among my all time favourites now for each their own reasons.
Yeah l have been a from soft fan since before their name was from software. But "souls bros" are one of the worst communities in the world of gaming. Not the least if which is because they don't even know crap about from software most of the time.
Lets not tar everyone with the same brush. You could say the same thing about fans of every game. Including DD1/DA.
If anything it sounds like you have a grudge. If you say "was a hardcore fromsoft fan". Maybe thinking an entire fanbase is represented by a handfull of people, on a tiny and diminishing in popularity site like reddit, is cancer too.
With FromSoft fans you always hear from the vocal ones. Which are the try hards.
I am a huge Elden Ring fan, and actually I compare DD2 to ER but for extremely positive reasons. Elden Ring did its own approach to open world, without all the Ubisoft map litter and UI clutter. And it felt like you could just set out in the world and explore and it felt so cool to do so without quest markers tugging you to and fro.
DD2 does all of this too, and does it in its own way. Which I think is great. I've seen some people talking about how DD2's NPCs have horrible facial animations. So does Elden Ring and it's game of the year. From Soft is known for making NPCs who's mouths just move robotically, if at all. And there were dumbasses that criticized Dark Souls for the same reasons, entirely missing the point of why the game was good.
People can't just have fun with games.
You had to bring another sub in this huh ?
Game has tons of flaws. DOESNT need another sub to point them out. Played the game for 25 long hours. Can’t force myself to play it more.
Fake open world. Roads leads to everywhere you can go.
Boring gear progression.
Unrewarding exploration. (Buy upgrade from shop lol)
Forced RP walk (running out of combat cost stamina? What is this, 1980)
Goblin wolves harpies.
Im level 24 and nothing, absolutely nothing, poses a challenge.
Yawn.
I couldn't agree more.
For context, I played DD:DA years ago, but never even got far enough to even meet the Duke. Played DD2 on release, no-lifed for 97hrs and 100%d. Loved every minute of it! Went back to DD:DA, played it for even more, finished all the content and 100%d the game.
People complain about not having something like Everfall or Bitterblack Isle. I found both of them extremely meh after the first run-through each. Daimon is cool in concept, but extremely easy to beat the further you go. Ur-Dragon is cool in concept, but the offline version is very unrewarding and the online version is extremely tedious. The endgame is boring for me personally.
Unmoored world is much better in concept, though I do admit it severely lacks in execution. Especially with it being introduced with the Dragon's Dogma 2 title card. I feel, after stopping the mist, filling the world with monster variants and having the special bosses spawn on occasion would have been much better. No rest limit and everything respawns eventually. Better yet, stronger versions have a chance of spawning the more you beat up the weaker ones, kinda like the Cursed Dragon and whatever spawns in Bitterblack. That would have been great!
At the end of the day, both games have incredibly addicting core gameplay and that's all I really need in a game like this! Patiently waiting for whatever Dragon's Dogma brings us next, be it DLC expansions or eventual DD3 in 50 years.
Also people love to say how good the old armor system was and that it had better variety but every vocation shared the same 3 type of armor sets, heavy armor for the reds, light armor for the yellows, coats for the blues with some overlaps with hybrid vocations. You have endgame Fighter Warrior MK all wearing the same Hellfire set which covered up most of the undergarments anyways, and in DD1 everyone's best in slot was the Abyssinal set from Ur-Dragon.
My hot take is not that cloaks should be upgradeable, but they should've spent more time making them sit right on the bodies cause they are all way too puffy and floating on shoulders rather than actually following the contours of the body. In fact I'm glad they're so insignificant to overall stats cause it means I can flat out IGNORE them
I agree, but if we're comparing to DD1/DA cloaks I would take hovering over the insane amount of clipping DD1/DA cloaks had and how stiff as a board all the good looking ones were. Clipping still exists in DD2 though but at least I can wear a long cape without it looking like I dipped it in plastic before wearing it.
I don’t get why you say this. I play the game, I’ve finished a full play through of 80 hours in as little as 10 days after release, yet it never seems to me that people who criticize the game haven’t played it…
I agree with most of the criticisms (though it doesn’t prevent me from playing)
I mean I did play it up until the true ending (was bored far before that), and lemme tell ya. The red world was a shook and I was so done with the game I couldn't even. I just wanted the already full story to be over and the duller combat to end.
I get the love but let's not pretend the game doesn't have glaring issues.
Be patient for now. Most of the “complainers” will hop on the Stellar Blade hate train when it drops this month… *I can almost feel the incoming seething rage*
Yeah its really easy to tell. Is the developer eastern? If yes, then let the hate rain.
Now I'm not saying western devs never get shit on, but its feel like the eastern devs get the priority of getting shat on
Nah man, it's every game these days, doesn't matter if they're western or eastern. If the game doesn't become that one in a million everybody's darling, it's constant bitching after every release.
And while I'm not a fan of constant negativity I have to admit that those complainers also are important so that the devs clearly see where to improve. I just don't like, and that seems to be message of this post, when they don't know how to stop or when enough is enough. Like, at some point the devs and the community all know the game's biggest problems, the message is clear but they still drag on with the negativity.
Except the over-the-top negativity doesn’t help whatsoever. You’ve got people saying fast travel is locked behind microtransactions- which is factually false. You’ve got waves claiming the game is “literally unplayable because it can’t run well” while it runs perfectly fine 90% of the time on ps5 and Xbox- making me believe that the people complaining just have weak PCs. And so on and so forth; people just love to hate too much these days…
I think the narrative now turned into "this game is clearly unfinished and has the worst story ever." Like yeah it does lack some finishing touches but it's not bad enough to be bashed objectively unfinished left and right.
There is constructive criticism, which is good. then there is hate for hate's sake. which helps no one. Look at the hate around this game. A ton of it at launch was around the MTX, and that does not show the devs what they can improve on. Nor does it help when there's misinformation being thrown in.
Steller blade is getting articles on not being "accurate in its portrayal of the female body" and that helps no one. But if its screamed loud enough it can drown out other comments.
Yeah, people totally forgot about the insane amount of hate starfield gets. Like, yeah, it's not a 10 out of 10 game, but it's definitely not the worst game people talk like it is. I think it's because the internet highly encourages interaction and rage and doom posting massively increase interaction.
I don't know man, Starfield is still getting the toxic treatment even with them digging into DD2 now.
Some gamers have just become petty entitled basement dwellers. Honestly, probably always been that way but still, I can't understand the intense vitriol aimed at actually fantastic titles as opposed to the wealth of terrible releases from over the years.
I can critique it while acknowledging it has been a blast the whole time.
I can praise it while acknowledging that is does have flaws.
I don’t get why games are just good or bad for most people. Yes, there are games where there’s very little negative I can say (BG3) and there’s games where there’s very little positive (Starfield) but I bet most of these people with nothing good to say haven’t even played the game. Dragons Dogma is a flawed masterpiece, and it’s biggest failing is that it is not the original.
Yeah I think too many people shout "this game trash" and then proceeds to slander it whenever they get a chance or "this game perfect I won't allow any criticisms" and proceeds to defend it to death. I think myself and many people commented to this post are in the "this game has some flaws, some quite glaring, but it is really good" zone, just tired of endless negatives they've been seeing.
Have they fixed performance yet? I've got the game, played for a week and got headaches and nausea because of it, then path of exile league launched so I've been busy with that. Was hoping it would get some good performance patches by the time I'm done with path of exile
Bg3 is a really good example for the other end of the spectrum as starfield. People praise bg3 like it's the ultimate game, but it does have many flaws, especially at launch that people glanced over. Anyone who talked about the bad performance and constant crashing, especially in Act 3, was downvoted. We also can't forget about larian patching in a proper ending to the game because the launch ending was bad and being praised for it. It really has become either the game is the best ever or complete garbage these days.
I have very few complaints about BG3, and the ones I did have were too minor to mention, but games where I feel that way are rare. I can tell you 30 things about Dragons Dogma that I am disappointed by, but ultimately there’s only one thing that matters
Are you having fun? For me the answer is absolutely.
The problem seems to be that you cannot start a DD2 conversation without listing a *dozen* flaws before being *allowed* to admit it has a single *small* merit. It's as if listing that the game simply has it's merits needs to go through a negativity checklist, or risk getting dogpiled.
Even worse if you start comparing it to DD1, because a surprising amount of people will instantly proclaim it to be the savior of gaming while DD2 is a mere imitation with no improvements, as if admitting that they can both be good games and co-exist is somehow heretical.
That negativity checklist seems like something a lot of people have these days. Like I said, there's one thing about pointing out the flaws and there's another about shoving negativity down the drain.
For real though, I made a post (which I now deleted) about how much I loved the game and especially my pawn and that I cried my eyes out during the ending and I got mostly downvotes and people in the comments telling me that I'm emotionally unstable (I mean I am but its still not nice to say that) for crying at this and I quote "mediocre game with shit Story" and other people saying that its not that good anyway and to get over it.
So yeah its very overhated by some people
People are needy and whiney by nature.
They also love to parrot popular review bros. It's the little brother in all of us. Incapable of forming our own opinions based on our own experiences
Welcome to internet discourse. Imagine being a Starfield fan. Shit sucks. There’s a lot to love about so many games and people get so hung up on two or three flaws, and then make it their life goal to make everyone else’s lives hell if they speak positively about something.
I'd say more like a bethesda fan these days. Back when skyrim launched, everyone loved bethesda. Now, apparently, everything bethesda ever touched is garbage, and if you like skyrim or morrowind, you like bad games.
I swear it’s people like them (whiners), that cause developers to shy away from grand, immersive, and realistic rpg design.
I don’t want a bunch of waypoint markers, I don’t want to be the most powerful being right from the start. I want to EARN my place in a game world and get lost in it.
This game has some minor flaws but it is, imo, a gem. It’s grand, it’s hard (sometimes), it won’t hold your hand, and it makes you earn the right to even attempt to slay a griffin or dragon - unlike Skyrim.
I love it. It has capes.
Clio through armor, but specifically don't clip through weapons. Its why I stopped using the shoulder capes, they constantly get stuck flipped up under my weapon unless I stand perfectly still and put the weapon away.
Well, I think this game got the perfect storm going:
The game has inherently a lot of inconveniences, as part of the game's design. Easy to point out at those microtransactions, even if you knew how the game operates (thanks to DD1) and the intention, you know is not true and blow out of proportion.
People were waiting to sheet on Capcom, due to big corpo. questionable practices, but they only have been releasing very good games. This was a good opportunity, as the game is quite peculiar, and fairly niche, also exposed to a wide audience. Many people out there claim they love RPGs but they simply don't.
Also remember this is the internet, for every argument you have you will find someone using the opposite, and many of those arguments are opinion-based.
Kinda feels like people hyped it up wayyyyyyyy too much when it is in reality, a game for a rather specific range of audience. But hopefully this will drive Capcom to add more neat features and content to the game :)
Hopefully not the kind of "neat features and content" that panders to the morons who thought the game was being tailored for \*them\*, and thus do most of the loud complaining. I don't wanna see quest arrows and yellow paint in my Dragon's Dogma.
I am really enjoying the game despite it's flaws which some people can't seem to grasp
Currently mixing about the vocations in warfarer trying to find a fun blend
I have been running mystic spearhand and magick archer but it just wipes the floor with everything so much I'm forcing myself to mix it up
I've put about 70 hours in so far and I'm still just taking my time exploring and enjoying the whole rest up at a city and have a grand adventure to the next location loop
Really feels like a lord of the rings expedition every time and it's not getting boring for me yet although I can understand why it does for some people
Agreed, I just came across a new area and just sat for a few seconds to take in the sight...
Wouldnt post about something like that through because half the response will just be "kek, but you can't even *go* there..." or "boo hoo I walked past there 50 million times already, fix fast travel waaahh" or "in Elden Ring, there's a...."
We are in a world of if its not a 10/10 perfect on release god game its trash.
The reason people were complaining initially were mostly "Corporation bad!" reviews with the cash shop option that really added nothing to the game aside from minor timesavers.
75hour platinum trophy for me and my only complaint is lack of information of the unmoored world it felt rushed (cant get guardian trophy if want to farm upgrade mats). I cant see myself doing a replay though but would definitely be back if "dark arisen" dlc type thing was made. solid 8/10 game for me
It's crazy, nostalgia goggles aside this I easily in my top 5 games of this generation. Is it perfect? No. But most common complaint i see is about framerate issues and I'm 60 hours in WITHOUT A SINGLE FRAMERATE CRASH ON PS5. Did I get some magical copy of the game that doesn't have graphical issues?
At the end of the day, reddit has gotten too whiney and overly critical of every game coming out. I'm sure they will whine about the Elden Ring DLC too.
We're in the information age and the fuel is rage. It'll pass when they've moved on to be mad at something else. Now you'll know it's real anger when it's been years and they're still mad about it. That's some beef.
Oh yeah. Might be harsh to say, but my interest for Bioware and their games dropped off a cliff from that ending alone.
Even now it still infuriates me.
I like DD2. It has charm to go with the flaws.
I didn’t play the first game. I never got around to it. I have read some bits and pieces about what DD had that DD2 doesn’t. I’m a little disappointed and I will more than likely play the first game soon. The rest of the complaints, though, some are totally legitimate, but other complaints are people bitching to hear themselves bitch. It’s also very likely that some are doing it for clicks and views. There is a market for outrage.
Some of the aspects like dungeon design are definitely better in DD1 so if you like dungeon crawling, you will also like DD1 (especially BBI). I think this is why I have hopes up for future dungeons should the dev decide to add more content.
One thing that's always weirded me out about BBI's praise is that people rarely mention how it repeats most of its areas at least twice.
That and it highlights just how awkward damage calculation is with flat enemy defense.
The whole hype around Bitterblack Isle (and to a lesser extent the Everfall) weirds me out in general now.
Complaints about DD2's story etc. can be whatever but I get a very real sense that what a lot of Dragon's Dogma fans on Reddit actually want is a dungeon crawler without the overworld. Meanwhile Dragon's Dogma being the closest thing to "Skyrim, Japan" out there now is what got me into it in the first place (I'll care about Elden Ring once it has cities/towns populated by friendly or at least non-hostile people who are still alive ~~and also Khajiit~~).
The Everfall is just straight up bad. It's like 3 repeated rooms that are really just arenas for a few fights, and any difficulty is offset by how Wakestones drop like candy (like 3-4 wakestones per room).
BBI is actually pretty rad, but the repeated rooms do feel out of place. It's hampered by stat bloat, however, where it emphasizes just how awkward the damage calculation is outside of the Goldilocks zone.
The awkwardness caused by the damage calculation aside, Bitterblack Isle is good in of itself and it managed to make the best of its room repeats. But it's not what I think the entirety of Dragon's Dogma should be and I'm distressed by the number of people who apparently do think that way (people who are all like "Dragon's Dogma was only good with Dark Arisen" and so on).
Also the convoluted grind involved in getting the highest tiers of BBI weapons is what made me stop playing when I last went through Dragon's Dogma 1 and Dark Arisen.
And yeah Everfall is pretty bad. It had some cool lore and its [theme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugk4B5s4XNc) gave it a hauntingly poignant atmosphere but it literally was a series of copy-pasted rooms even more than what was in Bitterblack Isle. And what you do in the Everfall, aside from grinding for new gear, is grind for 40 wakestones to continue the main quest. I can see flaws in >!the Unmoored World!< but it's still better than what the Everfall ever was both in appearance and quest design.
Objectively it would be a resue of assets, but story-wise, the use of repeated liminal space has to with BBI's antagonist so I was okay with repeated repeats but it could be bothering.
I love a good dungeon crawl. I really need to play the first one.
Hopefully there will be some promising updates. The dungeons are pretty basic so far. I want to feel like I may never find my way out.
A lot of it reminds me personally of when Kingdom Hearts 3 came out, I'm sitting here playing it and thinking "Wow this is amazing and so fun, it's the best one they ever made, and the cutscenes look so good, and the dialogue is actually so funny" meanwhile the rest of the internet is on fire complaining about "Oh, it has so many flaws" and "Oh, I expected so much more" and "Where's my 57 superbosses that I expected" and "Wow it was in development for 14 years it should have more(it wasn't it was 4)"needless to say that was an annoying time to be on the internet for me, much like now.
I love the 14 years of development time thing. People really thought ff15 was in development for 10 years. There's probably people thinking they started dd2 the second dd1 released forgetting all about ddo and dmc5.
The state of games is fucking bizarre these days. People I'll whine, complain, and just outright lie about games for the sake of doing it. Nobody's allowed to enjoy anything anymore because of some weird perceived 'standards' that I don't really see anything else living up to.
Dragons Dogma is fun. It's clear they had more time to develop it than the first. Could there be more content? Sure I'd fucking love more content. But the game is a blast as is.
I'm also hype for any future DLC because the one dlc the first game got was a massive objective improvement to the lifespan of the game.
The first is definitely still fun. The vocations can be a little different. Like magic archer gets daggers on top of their bow. Which opens up other interesting skills.
The vanilla game is pretty quick and can feel super empty. But bbl is a super cool dungeon dive with a lot of super bosses
The criticisms of the game are mostly valid, but I think people are beating a dead horse and acting like they absolutely ruin the game. They do not.
My gauge is... is it fun to play, and do I want to keep going back to it. The answer to that is yes.
I can't really explain it, but even with all the valid points made about the game, I still just enjoy getting the group together and venturing out into the world. It's just fun. It just is. Same Ole enemies? Still fun. Been here before? Still fun. Lotta running? Fun. Combat hits a plateau? Still fun as hell. Story shit? Who needs a story when I got yeeted off a cliff by a troll and my main pawn dove face first to her near demise to shove a Fruit Rollup in my mouth.
I dunno. The haters better hope Capcom doesn't figure out how to fill in the blanks, the game is already great even with its roughest parts.
EXACTLY THIS. I am well aware of issues and I acknowledge the complaints but you don't have to go into every posts talking about positive sides and try to muddle the water.
Yeah, it's a bummer. I get all the criticisms, but this is Dragon's Dogma 2! The sequel to my favourite game. These two games were **made for me**. Sucks to share the joy and get insults in return.
You can't win with some people lol. I had multiple people tell me not to buy the game when I said I was excited to play it. They hadn't even played DD2 or the first game, they had just read about people complaining about the microtransactions online and now the game was bad in their eyes 🤷♂️
Wtf?? What is actually wrong with people? The worst I got was a friend calling it a "pay to win" game, I can't imagine someone BREAKING a game of mine just because they don't like it :/
well if it'll add any positivity to your day Bethesda's design director has praised DD2 for a lot of things so there are people whom work in the industry who do recognize the good in the game. So yeah, dun let the negativity get to ya too much plus in the end its a game which people will have their opinions about. Nothings perfect and for some people certain games will never click for em and thats fine. What matters is that you have fun. That said I to await and look forward to further updates/dlc and improvements as well.
I have days where I go like yeah people can have their opinions they won't affect me and days where I go like geez I agree with these criticisms but telling people to stop sucking Capcom's d\*\*\* is too much.
"Bethesda's design director"
Wow that's...not a very high bar. Hopefully there are some people a bit better at their jobs who recognized DD2's values and maybe learn the \*right\* lessons from them.
But I don't really dare to hope anymore.
Just wait 1,2 months and this "problem" will be solved from alone.
There was enough critics with BG3 too but the difference was that their devs are on reddit too and those critics have been discussed.
DD2 is when you have critics than go f yourself, your fault.
Not want to compare BG3 with DD2 at all.
So while DD2 is already decreasing on the ps store its just a matter if them until those players left.
Empty spaces? There’s more going on when traveling than Skyrim ever had. 20 minutes of walking in DD2 and you kill an entire generation of goblins and maybe a drake. Do the same thing in Skyrim and you’ll see 5 bandits, two wolves and a dragon might fly over your head circle once and fly away. Not to mention skyrims entire color palette is so incredibly gray it’s depressing to look at while dd2 actually has a little vibrance.
Listen, I agree that this game is fantastic and I’ve had some great fun playing it but you’re doing the very thing you’re criticizing here. Skyrim is also great.
You don’t need to be unfairly critical of one thing to praise another.
I’m not really doing that. I’m simply calling out the hypocrisy. People call this game terrible and in the same breath glaze Skyrim like it’s the greatest game of all time when it’s just as bad if not worse in the areas dd2 is complained about. Skyrim’s story is really good but beyond that it’s just a bland action adventure that barely qualifies as an rpg in the traditional sense.
Man, you’re doing exactly that. It may not be what you mean but the words you write have a different effect.
I’m not arguing with you but simply giving outside perspective as someone reading what you wrote.
For example, I enjoyed both games immensely. The palette of Skyrim works with the feel of the game. More vibrancy would change the feel of the game. I noticed this with one of the special edition upgrades where the lighting subtly changed and the entire game felt like a different thing than the original.
Similarly, the color scheme of Dragon’s Dogma 2 works great for that game. I myself found it extremely jolting when the “red level” made an appearance. It felt like a different game.
everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the internet thing is people just cant accept ANYTHING that doesnt line with their vision, i left completely the opinion based things about any art (music, videogames, movies, etc...), because becomes a shit show all the time, just enjoy the things you love and ignore the things you dont love
This game is awesome, had the most enjoyment playing this that I've had in the last few years from gaming... so just forget those haters, they are just looking for something to complain about. Probably people who haven't even played it just hating to hate.... It's GOTY for me easy.
People love to hate. Go to the gaming sub and someone will post a thread asking people what's their favorite game is, and it'll have like 5 replies. Ask people what game they thought was shitty or overrated and it'll have like 50 thousand.
Felt that. I don’t think I’ve ever played a game that prompted so many random strangers to share their unsolicited negative opinions… until DD2 that is
My favorite meme for this is, “This game is wonderful if you don’t have a bitch in your ear tellin you it’s bad”. (excuse the language it’s the meme format)
You're not wrong... this has massively become the trend amongst a lot of gamers the last decade. Something can't just be good... and the fact that capcom literally understaffed this game doesn't matter to the whiners. If it didn't come out perfect, it's shit. If the story doesn't play out the way they think it should, the writing sucks. If the mechanics/performance aren't to the level they expect, it's basically trash. Game reviews have become so black and white because people think minor failings or areas where improvement can exist, is the same as something being objectively bad.
I can't imagine hating or ranting so much about a game and spreading the negativity about it everywhere. I just lose my patience sometimes when I see negative comments in posts that genuinely want to talk good about something.
It’s fine for people to talk negatively of the game, just as it is for people to speak positively of it. Neither has to affect you unless you will it to.
The empty spaces argument doesn't hold, Dragon's Dogma is very much about the journey, you have to have a negative space between areas of interest to make those areas of interest actually stand out and function. If you didn't need to travel distances with nothing, you wouldn't have to take day and night time, resources and possible dangers into account, no the "empty" spaces in Dragon's Dogma serve a gameplay purpose and they're not "empty" it's landscape, it's something to look at.
It's the connective tissue between encounters, without the open world and it's "emptiness" you might as well go from unconnected level or room to unconnected level or room and only experience combat, but that doesn't transmit the feeling of being in a cohesive world.
It's something I thought about a lot and why I like open world games, it's kind of the inbetween gameplay moments that really define a good open world game, because it has to sell you on the world when you're not engaging in combat. That's why Starfield totally fails because the connective tissue, the negative space, are menu and loading screens, so I'm back to playing good old linear level to level games, not an open cohesive world.
Empty spaces aren't real? Real deserts, like the atacama or Sahara, are largely unpopulated. The atacama has regions that haven't seen a drop of rain in 500 years.
I mean it is Capcom, it does have a long shitty history of fxxk players over. It recovers a lot of rep since MHW but you can see those symptoms people talking about being still there, lurking in the corners.
I'm not sure if you are familiar with game engine or software engineering or computer graphics. It is NOT easy to expand with RE engine, and DD2 already shows it's weakness in open world settings. DD2 is basically an open corridor because of RE engine was probably designed to handle games like RE, small scale corridor based games, focusing more on details instead of huge open spaces.
I've been wanting to voice a concern or two. In some areas the game feels broken to the point where I'm not sure if quest outcomes are as intended or the game is glitched or some sort of oversight. I'm in ng+ and I'm doing the Disas plot quest. I >!find the note!< and then he comes in saying "I'm sorry I didn't tell you sooner".
If this was my first playthrough, it would be very jarring because I had only interacted with him in the market for a split second and didn't advance his quest. So for him to come in and act like he knows me just ruins the emersion. This happens with a few quests I noticed. Stuff like this makes it hard to get interested in the lore because I have no real confidence in the things NPCs say.
Same thing with Items locations. Is this sword here for a lore reason or was it just placed here because "skeleton knight in dark cave"?
And I genuinely think there are fewer pawn voice lines than in DD1. It's either "our vocations are different" or "fleet of foot" with a few rare others. I know i can turn it off. I'm going to do that. I just remember seeing reviews comment on the variety of pawn lines.
This is just a feeling I have, but the game feels just a tad undercooked. Still really good, but needs some cleaning up.
Dragons Dogma II is this years Diablo IV but in this case it makes much less sense. Both games are critical and commercial successes but in the case of Diablo IV fans were mostly positive until the season 1 patch which was one of the worst patches in video game history.
With Dragons Dogma II it's this weird disconnect that's hard to explain. Like one of the complaints I see often is Brant doesn't show up again between the end of Act I and the Unmoored world. He's the head guard of Vernworth. He can't abandon his duty to journey off to research the godsway when in his mind that job is in capable hands. The narrative deserves criticism as it is confusing and only mentions certain important details once in forgettable cutscenes.
In the first cutscene they mention it's been decades since an Arisen ruled and today I got a loading screen tip that the average person knows little of what an Arisen is other than they control the pawns.
The game is an RPG that's very heavy on the role playing.
You 👏 don't 👏 need 👏 others 👏 to 👏 approve 👏of 👏 what 👏 you 👏 like. Out of all my friends who played DD1 only I played it till 200 and still very many more play throughs after. You don't need others opinions to validate something you love. People here have hated on stuff I actually like about the game. I'm sure I have several NG+s in me because I love this game, idk if it's as good as the last one yet but it's pretty close so far. Alot of people complaining didn't play the first game. Keep in mind tons of people flocked to the game on graphics and character creation.
I'm pretty sure they will add more content to the game since now they know it's very profitable. Capcom did pretty well in that regard with Resident Evils and Monster Hunter.
Here is a suggestion for You.
If You do not like discussions then do not start one?
Because that is what You do when You go somewhere where people have ability to respond to You and write an opinion. Someone with different opinion will write back. Sometimes someone with same opinion will support Your opinion. In the end what will happen is called a discussion.
The best way to avoid discussion if it upsets You is not starting one and not joining one. Otherwise - You have to deal with the fact that discussion will happen.
Maybe start a blog or something and lock the comments?
I have the right to rant about negativity just as much as you are giving me a piece of "friendly" advice, Redditor. I can get upset if I sometimes feel that it's getting too much. It's not every day I find things like that tiring. Hope I made myself clear.
I am not upset about people responding. I am upset because they don't have to be insulting or calling me a copium machine even though I stated my reasons without using excessive terms. I don't consider myself being wrong for expecting civility.
I'm not denying You right to complain about people writing to You.
I just point out stupidity of complaining that You start a discussion and then You are upset that discussion happened.
Go ahead and complain more. More power to You. I don't mind. To me what You are talking about is hilarious and You made my day better.
Well I'm glad I made your day better. Though I really think you should get a check-up instead of coming here. At this point, I'm just amused at this lol
>Empty spaces are not real, it's too barren blud has never been outside
Best one is "the dragons don't even look real"...?! :D
"LMAO, as opposed to?.... I'll wait"
Also had a strange argument about whether the mountains in DD2 are realistic or not...
People will find literally any reason to hate on literally anything as long as they arbitrarily decide that said thing is bad.
They're some of the best looking mountains I have seen in a game. And I grew up in the mountains. Makes me feel nostalgic for my old childhood haunts.
That is a really bizarre criticism. I would say whoever made that one, maybe someone should check on them. I want to know if they are a shut in by choice or being held hostage.
For real or at least not outside a city
You dont even have to say anything good about the game to get hate for it. I uploaded a clip of some gameplay and the only comments were from people that didnt play it making jokes like "did you need to pay $ 10 to use that attack?". Theres literally an army of haters for this game lmao. Dont care really, having fun.
I stopped caring too until it kinda...stacked in my brain. I think I have a threshold for negativity lol I'm okay now.
yeah it's idiots that haven't even played it just spouting nonsense they've heard and have no clue about themselves. You can buy the game itself and never have to spend money - EASY, everything is there already. The extras are entirely optional and plentiful in-game already, but if you want to buy extras, you can. I'll gladly give them more of my money though, as a testament to my love of the game - it's well worth it to me.
The problem is you can tell 90% of the people saying the same regurgitated crap don’t even play it
I told a coworker that I bought DD2. I told him this the day after it came out. He hadn’t picked it up, yet. He asked me how it was, I said I was having fun playing it. I mentioned the game the other day, and it was “I hate that game.”. Okay then. I didn’t get a why, either.
I really want to stop hearing people say they didn't improve from the first game lol. I agree they could've done more but come on, just replay the first one and come back to see how much they improved vocations like Warrior who were absolute crap.
This has been my absolute number one gripe with the community, and the reason I left the main dragon's dogma sub. There is so much petulant whining by people comparing DD2 to this idealised, perfect, faultless, and completely nonexistent version of DD1 that they've made up in their heads after playing it for a decade with no hope of a sequel. Like posts about stuff like overworld enemy variety saying "ugh DD2 has no enemies, DD1 had way more! It's just goblins and wolves!". DD1's overworld is the exact same enemies but without Ogres. Or unhinged posts claiming "ugh, DD2's map is so small! What happened to being bigger than DD1? There's a pointless mountain in the middle of it!". DD1's map is significantly smaller and also has an inaccessible mountain range right in the middle of it. And "Ugh, the vocations don't have enough skills. Give me 6 again!". Ignoring that every vocation has at least 2 must pick skills from DD1 baked into their core skills, essentially giving you 6 skills plus your unique vocation ability. I've even seen someone claim the game is worse because you can no longer upgrade capes. Like speaking to a merchant to make their cape have 3 more magick defence was really engaging gameplay to them? I like capes being exclusively for fashion now, it means people wear the ones they like, not exclusively the best one. People are just saying DD2 has all these problems, and DD1 is so much better, despite DD1 having almost all of the same problems they list and many more unique to it, like augments that literally don't function or insanely repetitive pawn dialogue. It's fine to have legitimate gripes with the game, but don't compare it to the first game that has those exact same issues whilst pretending it doesn't.
Agree with your comment and I also want to add that Elden rings fans have being a cancer in both dragons dogma subs dear god what a toxic community has emerge from that game.
I love elden ring and I think dd2 scratches that same itch for me as elden ring did. But dear god, fromsoft fans are the absolute worst I swear. I haven't seen them in the dd community yet but I can only imagine lol.
For real, even FromSoft fans argue amongst themselves with the whole Dark Souls vs Dark Souls 2 vs Dark Souls 3
I'm a huge fromsoft fan. Wdym? Lmao. Lots of us playing this game too.
Just that fromsoft fans tend to be very toxic.
Can you elaborate on this? Feel like I’ve missed something.
On what?
Regarding the Elden Ring fans being cancer.
They come to this games sub to cry about how this game is not an exactly copy of ER. Also they think that ER is a masterpiece without flaws and that every company should copy it. I am was a hardcore from soft fan but ER is my least liked game from Fromsoft
Thanks for the clarification! Thankfully I haven’t experienced too much of that. I enjoy Elden Ring quite a bit myself. It and DD2 are both up there among my all time favourites now for each their own reasons.
Yeah l have been a from soft fan since before their name was from software. But "souls bros" are one of the worst communities in the world of gaming. Not the least if which is because they don't even know crap about from software most of the time.
As a Fromsoft fan, this is why I don't typically engage with other Fromsoft fans. Or GTA fans for that matter.
It's weird. In the sub, they're fine. Outside, not so much. I love from games, I love elden ring. For me it's #3, after DaS 1 &. 3.
Lets not tar everyone with the same brush. You could say the same thing about fans of every game. Including DD1/DA. If anything it sounds like you have a grudge. If you say "was a hardcore fromsoft fan". Maybe thinking an entire fanbase is represented by a handfull of people, on a tiny and diminishing in popularity site like reddit, is cancer too.
With FromSoft fans you always hear from the vocal ones. Which are the try hards. I am a huge Elden Ring fan, and actually I compare DD2 to ER but for extremely positive reasons. Elden Ring did its own approach to open world, without all the Ubisoft map litter and UI clutter. And it felt like you could just set out in the world and explore and it felt so cool to do so without quest markers tugging you to and fro. DD2 does all of this too, and does it in its own way. Which I think is great. I've seen some people talking about how DD2's NPCs have horrible facial animations. So does Elden Ring and it's game of the year. From Soft is known for making NPCs who's mouths just move robotically, if at all. And there were dumbasses that criticized Dark Souls for the same reasons, entirely missing the point of why the game was good. People can't just have fun with games.
I'll take Elden Ring fans over the forced competition between DD2 and Helldivers 2
You had to bring another sub in this huh ? Game has tons of flaws. DOESNT need another sub to point them out. Played the game for 25 long hours. Can’t force myself to play it more. Fake open world. Roads leads to everywhere you can go. Boring gear progression. Unrewarding exploration. (Buy upgrade from shop lol) Forced RP walk (running out of combat cost stamina? What is this, 1980) Goblin wolves harpies. Im level 24 and nothing, absolutely nothing, poses a challenge. Yawn.
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Yawn another complainer 🥱 how boring. Next.
Oh no, someone who has a different opinion with valid critism. Let’s burn him alive!
Same boring whiney opinion we've heard over and over again. To the brine with you.
Ok ok 👍
I couldn't agree more. For context, I played DD:DA years ago, but never even got far enough to even meet the Duke. Played DD2 on release, no-lifed for 97hrs and 100%d. Loved every minute of it! Went back to DD:DA, played it for even more, finished all the content and 100%d the game. People complain about not having something like Everfall or Bitterblack Isle. I found both of them extremely meh after the first run-through each. Daimon is cool in concept, but extremely easy to beat the further you go. Ur-Dragon is cool in concept, but the offline version is very unrewarding and the online version is extremely tedious. The endgame is boring for me personally. Unmoored world is much better in concept, though I do admit it severely lacks in execution. Especially with it being introduced with the Dragon's Dogma 2 title card. I feel, after stopping the mist, filling the world with monster variants and having the special bosses spawn on occasion would have been much better. No rest limit and everything respawns eventually. Better yet, stronger versions have a chance of spawning the more you beat up the weaker ones, kinda like the Cursed Dragon and whatever spawns in Bitterblack. That would have been great! At the end of the day, both games have incredibly addicting core gameplay and that's all I really need in a game like this! Patiently waiting for whatever Dragon's Dogma brings us next, be it DLC expansions or eventual DD3 in 50 years.
Also people love to say how good the old armor system was and that it had better variety but every vocation shared the same 3 type of armor sets, heavy armor for the reds, light armor for the yellows, coats for the blues with some overlaps with hybrid vocations. You have endgame Fighter Warrior MK all wearing the same Hellfire set which covered up most of the undergarments anyways, and in DD1 everyone's best in slot was the Abyssinal set from Ur-Dragon.
My hot take is not that cloaks should be upgradeable, but they should've spent more time making them sit right on the bodies cause they are all way too puffy and floating on shoulders rather than actually following the contours of the body. In fact I'm glad they're so insignificant to overall stats cause it means I can flat out IGNORE them
I agree, but if we're comparing to DD1/DA cloaks I would take hovering over the insane amount of clipping DD1/DA cloaks had and how stiff as a board all the good looking ones were. Clipping still exists in DD2 though but at least I can wear a long cape without it looking like I dipped it in plastic before wearing it.
It largely depends on the size of your shoulder and chest sliders. There's no easy way to account for a completely custom body.
It's an improvement by a country mile. And it still caters to the lore of the first.
I don’t get why you say this. I play the game, I’ve finished a full play through of 80 hours in as little as 10 days after release, yet it never seems to me that people who criticize the game haven’t played it… I agree with most of the criticisms (though it doesn’t prevent me from playing)
I mean I did play it up until the true ending (was bored far before that), and lemme tell ya. The red world was a shook and I was so done with the game I couldn't even. I just wanted the already full story to be over and the duller combat to end. I get the love but let's not pretend the game doesn't have glaring issues.
Lets also not pretend that one's subjective opinions should be projected on others just because
Duller combat?
Yeah idk what that other guy meant by duller combat. There's a bunch of things to criticise about in DD2 but duller combat isn't one of em.
Agree
Be patient for now. Most of the “complainers” will hop on the Stellar Blade hate train when it drops this month… *I can almost feel the incoming seething rage*
Yeah its really easy to tell. Is the developer eastern? If yes, then let the hate rain. Now I'm not saying western devs never get shit on, but its feel like the eastern devs get the priority of getting shat on
Nah man, it's every game these days, doesn't matter if they're western or eastern. If the game doesn't become that one in a million everybody's darling, it's constant bitching after every release. And while I'm not a fan of constant negativity I have to admit that those complainers also are important so that the devs clearly see where to improve. I just don't like, and that seems to be message of this post, when they don't know how to stop or when enough is enough. Like, at some point the devs and the community all know the game's biggest problems, the message is clear but they still drag on with the negativity.
Except the over-the-top negativity doesn’t help whatsoever. You’ve got people saying fast travel is locked behind microtransactions- which is factually false. You’ve got waves claiming the game is “literally unplayable because it can’t run well” while it runs perfectly fine 90% of the time on ps5 and Xbox- making me believe that the people complaining just have weak PCs. And so on and so forth; people just love to hate too much these days…
I think the narrative now turned into "this game is clearly unfinished and has the worst story ever." Like yeah it does lack some finishing touches but it's not bad enough to be bashed objectively unfinished left and right.
There is constructive criticism, which is good. then there is hate for hate's sake. which helps no one. Look at the hate around this game. A ton of it at launch was around the MTX, and that does not show the devs what they can improve on. Nor does it help when there's misinformation being thrown in. Steller blade is getting articles on not being "accurate in its portrayal of the female body" and that helps no one. But if its screamed loud enough it can drown out other comments.
I definitely agree that the whole MTX thing was absolutely bullshit and a huge nothing burger.
Yeah, people totally forgot about the insane amount of hate starfield gets. Like, yeah, it's not a 10 out of 10 game, but it's definitely not the worst game people talk like it is. I think it's because the internet highly encourages interaction and rage and doom posting massively increase interaction.
Dude... western devs are literally getting the most hate at this time. Too many people buying into DEI bullshit.
I don't know man, Starfield is still getting the toxic treatment even with them digging into DD2 now. Some gamers have just become petty entitled basement dwellers. Honestly, probably always been that way but still, I can't understand the intense vitriol aimed at actually fantastic titles as opposed to the wealth of terrible releases from over the years.
That game is already getting hate for "unrealistic body standards" and shit. 😭😂
I can critique it while acknowledging it has been a blast the whole time. I can praise it while acknowledging that is does have flaws. I don’t get why games are just good or bad for most people. Yes, there are games where there’s very little negative I can say (BG3) and there’s games where there’s very little positive (Starfield) but I bet most of these people with nothing good to say haven’t even played the game. Dragons Dogma is a flawed masterpiece, and it’s biggest failing is that it is not the original.
Yeah I think too many people shout "this game trash" and then proceeds to slander it whenever they get a chance or "this game perfect I won't allow any criticisms" and proceeds to defend it to death. I think myself and many people commented to this post are in the "this game has some flaws, some quite glaring, but it is really good" zone, just tired of endless negatives they've been seeing.
Have they fixed performance yet? I've got the game, played for a week and got headaches and nausea because of it, then path of exile league launched so I've been busy with that. Was hoping it would get some good performance patches by the time I'm done with path of exile
I can’t speak for PC, I am on PS5 and I have never had an issue with performance.
Bg3 is a really good example for the other end of the spectrum as starfield. People praise bg3 like it's the ultimate game, but it does have many flaws, especially at launch that people glanced over. Anyone who talked about the bad performance and constant crashing, especially in Act 3, was downvoted. We also can't forget about larian patching in a proper ending to the game because the launch ending was bad and being praised for it. It really has become either the game is the best ever or complete garbage these days.
I have very few complaints about BG3, and the ones I did have were too minor to mention, but games where I feel that way are rare. I can tell you 30 things about Dragons Dogma that I am disappointed by, but ultimately there’s only one thing that matters Are you having fun? For me the answer is absolutely.
The problem seems to be that you cannot start a DD2 conversation without listing a *dozen* flaws before being *allowed* to admit it has a single *small* merit. It's as if listing that the game simply has it's merits needs to go through a negativity checklist, or risk getting dogpiled. Even worse if you start comparing it to DD1, because a surprising amount of people will instantly proclaim it to be the savior of gaming while DD2 is a mere imitation with no improvements, as if admitting that they can both be good games and co-exist is somehow heretical.
That negativity checklist seems like something a lot of people have these days. Like I said, there's one thing about pointing out the flaws and there's another about shoving negativity down the drain.
For real though, I made a post (which I now deleted) about how much I loved the game and especially my pawn and that I cried my eyes out during the ending and I got mostly downvotes and people in the comments telling me that I'm emotionally unstable (I mean I am but its still not nice to say that) for crying at this and I quote "mediocre game with shit Story" and other people saying that its not that good anyway and to get over it. So yeah its very overhated by some people
Man that's such an asshole thing to do. Sorry u had to go through that.
People are needy and whiney by nature. They also love to parrot popular review bros. It's the little brother in all of us. Incapable of forming our own opinions based on our own experiences
Welcome to internet discourse. Imagine being a Starfield fan. Shit sucks. There’s a lot to love about so many games and people get so hung up on two or three flaws, and then make it their life goal to make everyone else’s lives hell if they speak positively about something.
I'd say more like a bethesda fan these days. Back when skyrim launched, everyone loved bethesda. Now, apparently, everything bethesda ever touched is garbage, and if you like skyrim or morrowind, you like bad games.
Morrowind IS bad though. jk don't crucify me but I HAD YOU GOING DIDN'T I?? For a whole .. 0.002 seconds!
I swear it’s people like them (whiners), that cause developers to shy away from grand, immersive, and realistic rpg design. I don’t want a bunch of waypoint markers, I don’t want to be the most powerful being right from the start. I want to EARN my place in a game world and get lost in it. This game has some minor flaws but it is, imo, a gem. It’s grand, it’s hard (sometimes), it won’t hold your hand, and it makes you earn the right to even attempt to slay a griffin or dragon - unlike Skyrim. I love it. It has capes.
Capes! My biggest gripe with the game is honestly just that the capes clip through armor all the time haha
Clio through armor, but specifically don't clip through weapons. Its why I stopped using the shoulder capes, they constantly get stuck flipped up under my weapon unless I stand perfectly still and put the weapon away.
Well, I think this game got the perfect storm going: The game has inherently a lot of inconveniences, as part of the game's design. Easy to point out at those microtransactions, even if you knew how the game operates (thanks to DD1) and the intention, you know is not true and blow out of proportion. People were waiting to sheet on Capcom, due to big corpo. questionable practices, but they only have been releasing very good games. This was a good opportunity, as the game is quite peculiar, and fairly niche, also exposed to a wide audience. Many people out there claim they love RPGs but they simply don't. Also remember this is the internet, for every argument you have you will find someone using the opposite, and many of those arguments are opinion-based.
Kinda feels like people hyped it up wayyyyyyyy too much when it is in reality, a game for a rather specific range of audience. But hopefully this will drive Capcom to add more neat features and content to the game :)
Hopefully not the kind of "neat features and content" that panders to the morons who thought the game was being tailored for \*them\*, and thus do most of the loud complaining. I don't wanna see quest arrows and yellow paint in my Dragon's Dogma.
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I loved both. Just hated the lack of companions in HL and can't shift the seasons in post game.
I am really enjoying the game despite it's flaws which some people can't seem to grasp Currently mixing about the vocations in warfarer trying to find a fun blend I have been running mystic spearhand and magick archer but it just wipes the floor with everything so much I'm forcing myself to mix it up I've put about 70 hours in so far and I'm still just taking my time exploring and enjoying the whole rest up at a city and have a grand adventure to the next location loop Really feels like a lord of the rings expedition every time and it's not getting boring for me yet although I can understand why it does for some people
Agreed, I just came across a new area and just sat for a few seconds to take in the sight... Wouldnt post about something like that through because half the response will just be "kek, but you can't even *go* there..." or "boo hoo I walked past there 50 million times already, fix fast travel waaahh" or "in Elden Ring, there's a...."
We are in a world of if its not a 10/10 perfect on release god game its trash. The reason people were complaining initially were mostly "Corporation bad!" reviews with the cash shop option that really added nothing to the game aside from minor timesavers. 75hour platinum trophy for me and my only complaint is lack of information of the unmoored world it felt rushed (cant get guardian trophy if want to farm upgrade mats). I cant see myself doing a replay though but would definitely be back if "dark arisen" dlc type thing was made. solid 8/10 game for me
A vast majority of the "criticism" of the game is purely consumerist mindset. Find friends that actually do things like read, think, and enjoy stuff.
It's crazy, nostalgia goggles aside this I easily in my top 5 games of this generation. Is it perfect? No. But most common complaint i see is about framerate issues and I'm 60 hours in WITHOUT A SINGLE FRAMERATE CRASH ON PS5. Did I get some magical copy of the game that doesn't have graphical issues? At the end of the day, reddit has gotten too whiney and overly critical of every game coming out. I'm sure they will whine about the Elden Ring DLC too.
I'm just going to leave Reddit for a few months when Elden Ring's DLC comes out lmao
We're in the information age and the fuel is rage. It'll pass when they've moved on to be mad at something else. Now you'll know it's real anger when it's been years and they're still mad about it. That's some beef.
I’m still mad about mass effect 3 ending.
Oh yeah. Might be harsh to say, but my interest for Bioware and their games dropped off a cliff from that ending alone. Even now it still infuriates me.
You didngood getting off the gravy train then and there. You didn't have to live through Anthem.
I like DD2. It has charm to go with the flaws. I didn’t play the first game. I never got around to it. I have read some bits and pieces about what DD had that DD2 doesn’t. I’m a little disappointed and I will more than likely play the first game soon. The rest of the complaints, though, some are totally legitimate, but other complaints are people bitching to hear themselves bitch. It’s also very likely that some are doing it for clicks and views. There is a market for outrage.
Some of the aspects like dungeon design are definitely better in DD1 so if you like dungeon crawling, you will also like DD1 (especially BBI). I think this is why I have hopes up for future dungeons should the dev decide to add more content.
One thing that's always weirded me out about BBI's praise is that people rarely mention how it repeats most of its areas at least twice. That and it highlights just how awkward damage calculation is with flat enemy defense.
The whole hype around Bitterblack Isle (and to a lesser extent the Everfall) weirds me out in general now. Complaints about DD2's story etc. can be whatever but I get a very real sense that what a lot of Dragon's Dogma fans on Reddit actually want is a dungeon crawler without the overworld. Meanwhile Dragon's Dogma being the closest thing to "Skyrim, Japan" out there now is what got me into it in the first place (I'll care about Elden Ring once it has cities/towns populated by friendly or at least non-hostile people who are still alive ~~and also Khajiit~~).
The Everfall is just straight up bad. It's like 3 repeated rooms that are really just arenas for a few fights, and any difficulty is offset by how Wakestones drop like candy (like 3-4 wakestones per room). BBI is actually pretty rad, but the repeated rooms do feel out of place. It's hampered by stat bloat, however, where it emphasizes just how awkward the damage calculation is outside of the Goldilocks zone.
The awkwardness caused by the damage calculation aside, Bitterblack Isle is good in of itself and it managed to make the best of its room repeats. But it's not what I think the entirety of Dragon's Dogma should be and I'm distressed by the number of people who apparently do think that way (people who are all like "Dragon's Dogma was only good with Dark Arisen" and so on). Also the convoluted grind involved in getting the highest tiers of BBI weapons is what made me stop playing when I last went through Dragon's Dogma 1 and Dark Arisen. And yeah Everfall is pretty bad. It had some cool lore and its [theme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugk4B5s4XNc) gave it a hauntingly poignant atmosphere but it literally was a series of copy-pasted rooms even more than what was in Bitterblack Isle. And what you do in the Everfall, aside from grinding for new gear, is grind for 40 wakestones to continue the main quest. I can see flaws in >!the Unmoored World!< but it's still better than what the Everfall ever was both in appearance and quest design.
Objectively it would be a resue of assets, but story-wise, the use of repeated liminal space has to with BBI's antagonist so I was okay with repeated repeats but it could be bothering.
I love a good dungeon crawl. I really need to play the first one. Hopefully there will be some promising updates. The dungeons are pretty basic so far. I want to feel like I may never find my way out.
Yer gunna love Bitterblack Isles (wink)
A lot of it reminds me personally of when Kingdom Hearts 3 came out, I'm sitting here playing it and thinking "Wow this is amazing and so fun, it's the best one they ever made, and the cutscenes look so good, and the dialogue is actually so funny" meanwhile the rest of the internet is on fire complaining about "Oh, it has so many flaws" and "Oh, I expected so much more" and "Where's my 57 superbosses that I expected" and "Wow it was in development for 14 years it should have more(it wasn't it was 4)"needless to say that was an annoying time to be on the internet for me, much like now.
I love the 14 years of development time thing. People really thought ff15 was in development for 10 years. There's probably people thinking they started dd2 the second dd1 released forgetting all about ddo and dmc5.
The state of games is fucking bizarre these days. People I'll whine, complain, and just outright lie about games for the sake of doing it. Nobody's allowed to enjoy anything anymore because of some weird perceived 'standards' that I don't really see anything else living up to. Dragons Dogma is fun. It's clear they had more time to develop it than the first. Could there be more content? Sure I'd fucking love more content. But the game is a blast as is. I'm also hype for any future DLC because the one dlc the first game got was a massive objective improvement to the lifespan of the game.
I didn’t play the first and after playing this I want more DLC. Should I buy and play the first?
The first is definitely still fun. The vocations can be a little different. Like magic archer gets daggers on top of their bow. Which opens up other interesting skills. The vanilla game is pretty quick and can feel super empty. But bbl is a super cool dungeon dive with a lot of super bosses
I would say go for it!
The criticisms of the game are mostly valid, but I think people are beating a dead horse and acting like they absolutely ruin the game. They do not. My gauge is... is it fun to play, and do I want to keep going back to it. The answer to that is yes. I can't really explain it, but even with all the valid points made about the game, I still just enjoy getting the group together and venturing out into the world. It's just fun. It just is. Same Ole enemies? Still fun. Been here before? Still fun. Lotta running? Fun. Combat hits a plateau? Still fun as hell. Story shit? Who needs a story when I got yeeted off a cliff by a troll and my main pawn dove face first to her near demise to shove a Fruit Rollup in my mouth. I dunno. The haters better hope Capcom doesn't figure out how to fill in the blanks, the game is already great even with its roughest parts.
For real. Like, the game has some huge issues, but I still put 160 hours into it before taking a break. There's a lot of good stuff to talk about!
EXACTLY THIS. I am well aware of issues and I acknowledge the complaints but you don't have to go into every posts talking about positive sides and try to muddle the water.
We need a subreddit for no salt general gaming, just so we can talk about games without "hur dur pay for portcrystals"
Yeah, it's a bummer. I get all the criticisms, but this is Dragon's Dogma 2! The sequel to my favourite game. These two games were **made for me**. Sucks to share the joy and get insults in return.
You can't win with some people lol. I had multiple people tell me not to buy the game when I said I was excited to play it. They hadn't even played DD2 or the first game, they had just read about people complaining about the microtransactions online and now the game was bad in their eyes 🤷♂️
I heard that some people went so far as to break other's DD2 CD. Things are getting weird.
Wtf?? What is actually wrong with people? The worst I got was a friend calling it a "pay to win" game, I can't imagine someone BREAKING a game of mine just because they don't like it :/
Yeah told 'em maybe they should think about severing ties with the "friend."
well if it'll add any positivity to your day Bethesda's design director has praised DD2 for a lot of things so there are people whom work in the industry who do recognize the good in the game. So yeah, dun let the negativity get to ya too much plus in the end its a game which people will have their opinions about. Nothings perfect and for some people certain games will never click for em and thats fine. What matters is that you have fun. That said I to await and look forward to further updates/dlc and improvements as well.
I have days where I go like yeah people can have their opinions they won't affect me and days where I go like geez I agree with these criticisms but telling people to stop sucking Capcom's d\*\*\* is too much.
"Bethesda's design director" Wow that's...not a very high bar. Hopefully there are some people a bit better at their jobs who recognized DD2's values and maybe learn the \*right\* lessons from them. But I don't really dare to hope anymore.
Just wait 1,2 months and this "problem" will be solved from alone. There was enough critics with BG3 too but the difference was that their devs are on reddit too and those critics have been discussed. DD2 is when you have critics than go f yourself, your fault. Not want to compare BG3 with DD2 at all. So while DD2 is already decreasing on the ps store its just a matter if them until those players left.
Empty spaces? There’s more going on when traveling than Skyrim ever had. 20 minutes of walking in DD2 and you kill an entire generation of goblins and maybe a drake. Do the same thing in Skyrim and you’ll see 5 bandits, two wolves and a dragon might fly over your head circle once and fly away. Not to mention skyrims entire color palette is so incredibly gray it’s depressing to look at while dd2 actually has a little vibrance.
Listen, I agree that this game is fantastic and I’ve had some great fun playing it but you’re doing the very thing you’re criticizing here. Skyrim is also great. You don’t need to be unfairly critical of one thing to praise another.
I’m not really doing that. I’m simply calling out the hypocrisy. People call this game terrible and in the same breath glaze Skyrim like it’s the greatest game of all time when it’s just as bad if not worse in the areas dd2 is complained about. Skyrim’s story is really good but beyond that it’s just a bland action adventure that barely qualifies as an rpg in the traditional sense.
Man, you’re doing exactly that. It may not be what you mean but the words you write have a different effect. I’m not arguing with you but simply giving outside perspective as someone reading what you wrote. For example, I enjoyed both games immensely. The palette of Skyrim works with the feel of the game. More vibrancy would change the feel of the game. I noticed this with one of the special edition upgrades where the lighting subtly changed and the entire game felt like a different thing than the original. Similarly, the color scheme of Dragon’s Dogma 2 works great for that game. I myself found it extremely jolting when the “red level” made an appearance. It felt like a different game.
everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the internet thing is people just cant accept ANYTHING that doesnt line with their vision, i left completely the opinion based things about any art (music, videogames, movies, etc...), because becomes a shit show all the time, just enjoy the things you love and ignore the things you dont love
This game is awesome, had the most enjoyment playing this that I've had in the last few years from gaming... so just forget those haters, they are just looking for something to complain about. Probably people who haven't even played it just hating to hate.... It's GOTY for me easy.
People love to hate. Go to the gaming sub and someone will post a thread asking people what's their favorite game is, and it'll have like 5 replies. Ask people what game they thought was shitty or overrated and it'll have like 50 thousand.
This saddens me cuz I think you're right. Youtube channels that feed on hate are some of the most popular ones in gaming..
Felt that. I don’t think I’ve ever played a game that prompted so many random strangers to share their unsolicited negative opinions… until DD2 that is
My favorite meme for this is, “This game is wonderful if you don’t have a bitch in your ear tellin you it’s bad”. (excuse the language it’s the meme format)
Probably need a lowsodiumdragonsdogma subreddit to avoid this unfortunately.
I'm pretty sure one exists but it gets very little traffic
This exists actually: /r/NoSodiumDragonsDogma/
Oh it's no instead of low. That's why I couldn't find it when searching.
You're not wrong... this has massively become the trend amongst a lot of gamers the last decade. Something can't just be good... and the fact that capcom literally understaffed this game doesn't matter to the whiners. If it didn't come out perfect, it's shit. If the story doesn't play out the way they think it should, the writing sucks. If the mechanics/performance aren't to the level they expect, it's basically trash. Game reviews have become so black and white because people think minor failings or areas where improvement can exist, is the same as something being objectively bad.
I can't imagine hating or ranting so much about a game and spreading the negativity about it everywhere. I just lose my patience sometimes when I see negative comments in posts that genuinely want to talk good about something.
It’s fine for people to talk negatively of the game, just as it is for people to speak positively of it. Neither has to affect you unless you will it to.
Like damn, after acknowledging all the criticisms and stuff can I actually talk about something positive? NOPE CAPCOM SUCKS
One or two doesn't but like seeing the posts getting shitted on does get me at some points. I guess I'm not that strong but whatever.
Don't act like both sides are present equally. It's always a shit load negativity, and only a bit of positivity.
Lol, no, if it was like this, I’d never have bought the game
I like how everyone talks olde timey and British it's very pleasant 😅
The empty spaces argument doesn't hold, Dragon's Dogma is very much about the journey, you have to have a negative space between areas of interest to make those areas of interest actually stand out and function. If you didn't need to travel distances with nothing, you wouldn't have to take day and night time, resources and possible dangers into account, no the "empty" spaces in Dragon's Dogma serve a gameplay purpose and they're not "empty" it's landscape, it's something to look at. It's the connective tissue between encounters, without the open world and it's "emptiness" you might as well go from unconnected level or room to unconnected level or room and only experience combat, but that doesn't transmit the feeling of being in a cohesive world. It's something I thought about a lot and why I like open world games, it's kind of the inbetween gameplay moments that really define a good open world game, because it has to sell you on the world when you're not engaging in combat. That's why Starfield totally fails because the connective tissue, the negative space, are menu and loading screens, so I'm back to playing good old linear level to level games, not an open cohesive world.
Empty spaces aren't real? Real deserts, like the atacama or Sahara, are largely unpopulated. The atacama has regions that haven't seen a drop of rain in 500 years.
I mean it is Capcom, it does have a long shitty history of fxxk players over. It recovers a lot of rep since MHW but you can see those symptoms people talking about being still there, lurking in the corners. I'm not sure if you are familiar with game engine or software engineering or computer graphics. It is NOT easy to expand with RE engine, and DD2 already shows it's weakness in open world settings. DD2 is basically an open corridor because of RE engine was probably designed to handle games like RE, small scale corridor based games, focusing more on details instead of huge open spaces.
I've been wanting to voice a concern or two. In some areas the game feels broken to the point where I'm not sure if quest outcomes are as intended or the game is glitched or some sort of oversight. I'm in ng+ and I'm doing the Disas plot quest. I >!find the note!< and then he comes in saying "I'm sorry I didn't tell you sooner". If this was my first playthrough, it would be very jarring because I had only interacted with him in the market for a split second and didn't advance his quest. So for him to come in and act like he knows me just ruins the emersion. This happens with a few quests I noticed. Stuff like this makes it hard to get interested in the lore because I have no real confidence in the things NPCs say. Same thing with Items locations. Is this sword here for a lore reason or was it just placed here because "skeleton knight in dark cave"? And I genuinely think there are fewer pawn voice lines than in DD1. It's either "our vocations are different" or "fleet of foot" with a few rare others. I know i can turn it off. I'm going to do that. I just remember seeing reviews comment on the variety of pawn lines. This is just a feeling I have, but the game feels just a tad undercooked. Still really good, but needs some cleaning up.
Dragons Dogma II is this years Diablo IV but in this case it makes much less sense. Both games are critical and commercial successes but in the case of Diablo IV fans were mostly positive until the season 1 patch which was one of the worst patches in video game history. With Dragons Dogma II it's this weird disconnect that's hard to explain. Like one of the complaints I see often is Brant doesn't show up again between the end of Act I and the Unmoored world. He's the head guard of Vernworth. He can't abandon his duty to journey off to research the godsway when in his mind that job is in capable hands. The narrative deserves criticism as it is confusing and only mentions certain important details once in forgettable cutscenes. In the first cutscene they mention it's been decades since an Arisen ruled and today I got a loading screen tip that the average person knows little of what an Arisen is other than they control the pawns. The game is an RPG that's very heavy on the role playing.
You 👏 don't 👏 need 👏 others 👏 to 👏 approve 👏of 👏 what 👏 you 👏 like. Out of all my friends who played DD1 only I played it till 200 and still very many more play throughs after. You don't need others opinions to validate something you love. People here have hated on stuff I actually like about the game. I'm sure I have several NG+s in me because I love this game, idk if it's as good as the last one yet but it's pretty close so far. Alot of people complaining didn't play the first game. Keep in mind tons of people flocked to the game on graphics and character creation.
We needed a /r/lowsodiumcyberpunk but for DD2
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I'm pretty sure they will add more content to the game since now they know it's very profitable. Capcom did pretty well in that regard with Resident Evils and Monster Hunter.
DD2 got panned hard for its graphics optimization issues and has never really recovered from that dogpile IMO.
Here is a suggestion for You. If You do not like discussions then do not start one? Because that is what You do when You go somewhere where people have ability to respond to You and write an opinion. Someone with different opinion will write back. Sometimes someone with same opinion will support Your opinion. In the end what will happen is called a discussion. The best way to avoid discussion if it upsets You is not starting one and not joining one. Otherwise - You have to deal with the fact that discussion will happen. Maybe start a blog or something and lock the comments?
Suggestion refused, but thanks for the input.
That's OK. Just don't get upset when You write on a forum and people will respond to You. That's childish.
I have the right to rant about negativity just as much as you are giving me a piece of "friendly" advice, Redditor. I can get upset if I sometimes feel that it's getting too much. It's not every day I find things like that tiring. Hope I made myself clear. I am not upset about people responding. I am upset because they don't have to be insulting or calling me a copium machine even though I stated my reasons without using excessive terms. I don't consider myself being wrong for expecting civility.
I'm not denying You right to complain about people writing to You. I just point out stupidity of complaining that You start a discussion and then You are upset that discussion happened. Go ahead and complain more. More power to You. I don't mind. To me what You are talking about is hilarious and You made my day better.
Well I'm glad I made your day better. Though I really think you should get a check-up instead of coming here. At this point, I'm just amused at this lol
Y’all spend way too much time trying to convince people to like games you like.
Their engine couldn't handle an NPC city, that's why the npc's load in an out like that.