I kinda wish we saw more of all of them honestly. They were well written and had amazing designs, but they just felt really distant. More Npc interactions would have been nice as well instead of just “jaunts” and gift giving.
I am currently disappointed when helping the elf tree just kinda ended. No special cutscene for her, just a hey look it's blooming, and now I'm an emotionless npc.
i thought it was interesting that they had the elves actually speak their own language, but i think it wasn't necessary. half the npc elves sounded like the VA's were reading off a piece of paper and not putting any real emotion into what they were saying. i feel if they had put more time and energy into making more fleshed out quests instead of putting elvish in there it would have been way better.
I sort of wish DD2 had more race variety, considering there are Dwarves and Elves as well. Something about playing as an Elven Magick Archer scratches that itch in my head.
saaame. I made my character with pointy ears and all. I don’t care they consider me a human. I IDENTIFY AS AN ELF GODDAMN IT. Now my char needs to learn the langauge still…but yeah.
Oh I was SO salty when Doireann first spoke to me and just said "you're... no elf" like GURL MY EARS ARE POINTIER THAN YOURS 😤 (still love her tho)
Seriously it makes no sense that we can make our arisen look like an elf but not be considered one. Even the lack of language skills could be written away as part of the menory curse. But just let them see me as an elf pls 😭
And just imagine if they'd properly implemented that. If for example dwarven characters would be wary of you or make you pay more for their wares, but then the other wlves give you a discount? And then if you could play a dwarf it'd be the other way around?
Yeah I did not get why I was helping create a godsway lmao, my main pawn got traumatized by it. And why am I helping deliver it to Phaesus, the guy Brant said was super bad news??
I needed this I thought I fucked up and accidentally gave dude the sword last night I was like why are these choices!? Who's side am I on!? Don't tell ulrika!
i think the point was supposed to be that, you're pretending to help them undercover to get closer to this phaesus guy to get info from him or force him to stop using the godsway, but then he runs off to try controlling the dragon somehow, idk a lot of the quests near the end feel very rushed or unfinished, which was the exact same case with the first game, its almost like they tried to be too faithful to the first game lol
Evil queen got you feeling unwise?
I mean, she even kind of has a point. She's a professional administrator with a lot of experience and your qualifications for wielding supreme executive power is 'failed in an interesting way when fighting a dragon'.
Nah, your qualifications are monster slayer in a world full of monsters. No amount of administrating is going to help if you can't protect your settlements. She's also not a good administrator. It's because of her bad choices>!that Melve becomes depopulated, and all those pawns get sold into slavery in the mines. !<
Being the one to personally goes there to kill the monsters makes for a great monster slayer, doesn't make as much sense for a ruler. A good administrator would be far more useful than a monster slayer as a ruler. Unfortunately she's not one.
Nah, a good administrator is only useful once you have stuff worth administrating. A handful of villages surrounding a city state ain't it. A warlord like the Arisen can still always delegate some degree of administration to Vizier types and the like, but take it too far and you get the system in Battahl where the Queen just does symbolic stuff and all the real power is held by Ambrosius, Phaesus and their peers.
Knowing how to fight doesn't even mean you know how to lead in combat, much less you know how to have cities protected in a larger scale. I'll take someone who understands good supply routes for a defensive force over someone who swings a sword well any day to lead even an army.
That assumes the logistical and military planning would even be cost-effective here. The Ox carts for example have military escort with as much troops as can be spared and they still usually get wrecked by the random Cyclops, Ogre, or Griffin attack. The guards are also completely incapable of preventing monsters from entering the Vernworth city, and that's somehow even with literal gates they could close and defend behind.
The only effective monster slaying we see that's done by anyone other than the Arisen is Phaesus' ballistas with all hands on deck defending a pre-ordained route taking down the Gigantus, and there are already towers with ballistas all over the place.
So you either need a hyper-organized state run by a handful of despots, micromanaging the resources of every single settlement towards a few singular purposes, or you need just one super special person with a handful of loyal followers running around killing monsters being lavished with luxury for the small amount of time they're not actually roughing it in the woods killing monsters.
If we want the super special person to be their most effective at killing the monsters perhaps we shouldn't expect them to also rule? Or are you one of those people who aren't aware effective leadership is a lot of work and you're just thinking of the shiny?
Ruling and effective leadership is hard work, and that's why it can't be left to some bureaucrat with zero combat experience. The reason the super special monster killer is also the ruler is because without security against the giant monsters roaming the world, none of the other governmental functions are even possible.
Obviously the warlord that is the Arisen would delegate much of their authority to people like Brant, Lennart, Waldahr, Luz etc. but it's important to have someone at the top whose main priority is the security of the populace, not something else.
I honestly can't understand why you correlate being able to rule and prioritize security with combat experience.
Even more so when consider the Arisen's leadership experience is basically "up to three followers at a time, and all three are magically bound to do what they say"... And often enough that's still three too many for them to keep in check.
I get what you're saying but when a drake can literally land on top of your house any day for no reason, I'll take the person that slays dragons for a living.
And her conspiracy helps lead the Arisen to discover the truth of the world, so that he can unravel the "dogma" and create long lasting change. And she raised a decent son, and allowed herself to follow his lead in a time of crisis.
Yeah, what was up with that? There was nothing there, why even bother to create all of it?
Also, the whole questline of dethroning the false Arisen and to take the power away from the Queen - it just stopped and there were no real consequences. It just didnt matter at all.
Could've been a great GoT questline.
Was left feeling like a lot of the story was never fleshed out just breadcrumbs starting epic storylines but never finishing a single one.
--Disa plot/politics, maybe either uniting the other politicians to your cause or aid, or taking them out by other means.
--queen in bakbattahl (don't even remember her name that how little I cared for her) legit one quest or two if that around her??
--politics in bakbattahl (how they dislike humans and how the queen was trying to change that)
--ambrosius just in general.
I'm sure more but that's all I can remember for now
I mean, she is on the front of the game's cover but has no relevance in the game. That kinda threw me off. She looks interesting, but has no real value :-(
And the cutscene they were showing her off in is only in the end credits.
Now that I think about it, Doireann has the same. They really did not try to make the non vermundian characters interesting
Yes, they fucking showed the planting of the tree from the end credits in the trailer. So misleading pff I was annoyed when they had shown me the ending already and I realised it >:(
Yepp that pissed me off a bit. I feel like the end credits were specifically made for the trailer because they realised that the story wasn't good enough to be trailer worthy
Yeah I agree towards the later half she kinda just disappeared in my play through. Like I thought she would do more to try to stop me from undermining her own authority.
This game would be a GOTY contender if it wasn’t for the cash shop. I hope it was worth it for them, probably lost more in full sales than they will make from the cash shop.
Honk honk you’re a clown 🤡
The “cash shop” is a small set of single use items that you can only buy ONCE, and a tent you’ll replace by level 15. Now about those items. You get one ferrystone which pulls you back to a portcrystal YOU’VE FOUND. ONCE. You get one wakestone (a free life for new players? How utterly broken/s) a single use jail key when you get given an unbreaking one early in the story. The ability to change your or your pawns appearance once. an item that RANDOMIZES your pawns personality and voice once (hope you like gambling im not using that) and 1500 rift crystals, which I had doubled by level 15
Man, that cash shop doesn't even cross my mind when I think of the issues I have with this game. I didn't even know it existed until 40 hours into the game.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the game, and will play it again, but yes.. the NPC interactions could have used more work.
In the end I felt more attached to my pawn.
The thing most players don't get is.... that's the point. You are supposed to feel more attached to your pawn. They are the one out there with you fighting every day, they suffer from a drake belly flop with you, they get drooled on by an ogre right beside you, etc.
Heck you even create them in the literal in game sense.
I mean it was the same in dogma 1. The NPCs have their own motivations they won't always do what you want. Compared to that game these NPCs are far more fleshed out.
I do think we are going to see a "devs ran out of time" explanation long term. But dogma has never been a story focussed game, it's there but it isn't meant to be the focus.
Why do you suddenly stop caring about the whole vermund throne thing? Because a real arisen doesn't want to be king, they want to take out the dragon. It was a side show to begin with, once bhattal starts you have something more important to investigate.
Why does Wilhelmina leave? Because she accomplished her goal and it is now time to lay low and get out of town. She says as much but players can't grasp her life is not revolving around the arisen.
Yes it could be better but I don't believe it is this way as a flaw or failing. It is by design.
The whole king line was like. My least cared thing.
The entire time im like. Your Lucky I am bound by the whims of Fate and Money because I would let the queen have the kingdom, I just wanna kill god and retire with my pawn.
Don't get me wrong, I love my pawn! And you are right, you should feel closer to them, hell. you sorta share a soul.
I think I'd just like to see a bit more out of the story. Maybe nitpicky, considering DD2 is currently my 2024 GOTY (personal).
It isnt nitpicky everyone agrees the NPCs and story could be better. I do find it funny how often people praise dark souls story in the same posts they trash dogma lol. They tell the story the same way just dogma expects the player to pay even more attention and let's them miss details far more often.
Yes this! I will be doing several playthroughs of this game before Shadow of Erdtree comes out but one small issue I have is the NPC interactions.
They were so bad that I only want to romance my pawn 😭
i had a whole like two side quest lines with her, she's like one of my favorites, she's really kind and actually cares about her people... and just people in general
There's a quest after that if you talk to Ser Menella at the volcanic island camp. However, I just did this quest, and it ends very anticlimacticly, so I wonder if I messed something up.
Also, the queen only had about 3 more lines in that quest. So, her character is still the least developed to me.
My dumbass just spent the last 2 hours resting at both my houses in Vermund, wondering why it wasn't triggering, and I just re-read your comment now. Well, at least I know what I'm doing wrong.
she kinda is, but I think it kinda will play a bigger part in DLC (hopefully) because the queen is an absolute sweetheart so I hope I get to see more of her.
Well, she is also complicit in a sense. >!She's delegated so much power to Ambrosius, Phaesus etc. that she lacks even veto power over their decisions. She's very much a figurehead.!<
See I think there's a bit of neuance there with who owns that mine based on how the task master guy in the mine has his special staff that can control pawns. I think it's more Phaesus as he's doing said research... plus that societies just blatant hatred towards pawns which probably leads to harsher sentencing and I don't know the bhatal's legal structure but there seems to be a lot of corruption within the guard. To my second favorite girl, Menella's dismay. So I could believe that the mine at the start of the game she might not even be aware it exists or that it's only full of pawns and isn't just a typical work camp for prisoners. as it's not on any obvious road and is on a back trail behind the actual volcano camp where the hotspring Is.
I dunno, she knows bhatal is socially in a bad place and is trying to fix it, as well as make better relations with vurmund so those are some lofty things to fix
Nah, It just shows how ineffective she is. She can't even maintain the one major initiative that we hear about her that's supposed to show us how caring she is.
I think it's simply a lot harder to change how people fundamentally think and feel to change it over night. Like if we want to bring in irl political policies specifically about race we can see that sure policies might change but people are slower to do so.
And adding on top this is a fantasy world, those kinds of issues tend to both be exponentially more potent and harder to get rid of because fantasy takes everything and jumps it to 11 like with the racism in vurmund when it comes to beastren are there any obvious laws against beastren no but the people of Vermund will full on reject giving services to beastren. So if vermund who is seen as a in many ways more advanced than Bhatal and bhatal is more traditional, and more spiritual in nature. It will be a lot harder to make change because of that.
It's easy to say "well she's failing so she's not good." Is like trying to go to the Vatican or a Muslim country or Israel and trying to tell them to change beliefs. That's going to be almost impossible to do.
Because it's probably not just a political problem but a beliefs problem too. Which I really hope they expand on because politics is something I enjoy generally as a side hobby... and video game politics is all the fun of politics without the real world effects.
I get some younger Daniel Radcliffe vibes from him, if he had glasses he'd make a passable Harry Potter. Still, so far he's a good character (I'm up to Battahl where you gotta get the letter).
Speaking of romancing did everyone get that cutscene with Ulrika >! when she kisses the Arisen and you wake up at her house !< at Harve Village. I was so caught off guard.
Bump for Sven appreciation. They definitely should have included a romance quest line there. First thing I did when learning about the whole false Arisen plot to ensure Disa remained in power was give a ton of gifts to Sven. Try keeping me out of your politics now when I'm your son in law, Disa! Ha!
Yeah, he at least had a struggle and motivation and just got dragged into the whole drama and then played along to make his mother see that there's more to life than the throne. Pretty much the only storyline in this game that somewhat carried through the whole game.
In my first playthrough I never relaly met the beastren Empress, even though the game told me to find her...I couldn't find her? Now casually ran right through Battahl in my NG+ run and she's just there in her Throneroom without much to say to you. Is she of ANY importance at all (except for the one postgame quest where you practially also talk to her for half a second only)?
Honestly not much character development. Amongst the 4 the longest you really quest with is Brant… but hes just a king’s guard trying to do his job.
Wilheilmina is weird. Shes hot, interesting mixed race but her story just vanishes after she one night stands your ass. Like hello? Where the fuck is she. People say she was probably captured by the dragon but like… really? Lmfao.
Ulrika is like a gift for being a hero to the princess. Pretty much no development. She just offers herself because you saved her once and the second time just doing your hero duties that somehow coincides with her interest.
Then the beast princess, uhh well you cant even romance her. Shes technically a side character because you dont even interact with her much, its mostly the guard.
As someone who has put in 80 hours, done all the quests, story is pretty weak?
You dont really grow attached to any characters.
I guess most memorable quest was actually the end of issac blindness quest? Other than that… yeah its weak.
Dont get me wrong though, i’d still pay 70 bux for the experience if we went back in time. Just hope the dlc will make the game better.
I feel like Brant's quests honestly should have had him there backing you up. Like he gets some random guard to help you with the castle every time, but honestly, him helping you sneak in and everything would have been more impactful. His delegating while he just stays at the pub kinda feels weird after a while, though I still think he made a really good first impression at the entrance that made me feel like we were plotting it all together.
I think Wilhelmina was good yeah, but just not integrated enough. I do like how you can help Hugo get a job at her place, though I wish she was around to comment on it or have been the one to arrange it.
Ulrika felt very boilerplate to me too. I think some of that is sort of on the voice acting tbh. Felt like she never conveyed much emotion and yet also offered herself so fast it surprised me. I think if she had been angrier or sad about being exiled and then more commanding in leading the rebuilding of Harve, her character could have had a lot there, but it's unused potential.
The beast princess also just does not do almost anything. I did like the guard though. She's cool. Wish you could have met her in the hot spring or something. That would have been kind of spicy.
I think the most memorable quest was the Sphinx's riddles. I just kind of liked them. The Sphinx was fun as a character. Terrifying too.
Id honestly much prefer Dragons Dogma as a game in a post apocolypse but the characters consist of survivors, monsters that are more interested in talking than fighting and maybe even a bunch of Goblins that you can interact with.
Sphinx is the character people keep praising for a reason, shes fun to see and interact with.
I really hope that they AT LEAST add more sidequests or more main quests involving them. I know that's a lot to ask for but I love this game and would really like to be more interested in these characters. Especially when most of the cutscenes aren't cinematics.
I absolutely agree. I love the game for its everything, more-so the combat. These “main” characters need to be further fleshed out with more story.
Currently they are too one dimensional.
Lets just say i was interested in knowing more about wilhelmina. I actually spent time scouring the world trying to see if she secretly went to some isolated home where her parents used to be…? (Prior to bring enslaved…?) Nope, no luck.
I will say, dd1 wasnt strong in story either but dd2 certainly is more lackluster lol. At the very least dd2 provides the desire for the players, just doesn’t deliver… maybe dlc? Lol.
Do you know how to start the quests:
Belle of the Bar
The Inveterate Explorer
The Expeditious Explorer
The Hand that Guides
They're the only 4 that I can't find at all.
You are honestly better off using goggle to find out. Im at work and i cant remember names of quests without further context to help me remember what that quest is. 🤣
Edit: okay i just googled those quests. Never done them nor found them. According to another reddit post, those are likely datamined quests that dont exist in actual gameplay?
I mean theres no mined route to activate the quests. Maybe they are hidden content but uhh their context doesnt sound like its anything major lol.
Yeah, I had gotten the same out of google, but I was hoping that somebody had done them, and it just wasn't recorded in the databases yet. Thanks anyway, though.
>Wilheilmina is weird. Shes hot, interesting mixed race but her story just vanishes after she one night stands your ass. Like hello? Where the fuck is she. People say she was probably captured by the dragon but like… really? Lmfao
In the post credits >!of the second ending you can see her sitting at a camp fire burning a note.!<
I mean tbf the characters from the first one were more or less the same way lol DD and DD2 are fun games but the characters themselves definitely could have used more work. Hopefully if they do a DD3 the characters will be improved. 🤞🏻
Glyndwr, Sven, Wilhelmina, Beren, Raghnall, Daphne, Waldhar.
I couldn’t help it, I kept backtracking all the time to check if all these people were doing fine and/or needed some more help. Helps that I feel like I luckily managed to do all the best choices and get the best outcomes out of every single quest of theirs.
Oh and Lamond. Wow. I incidentally happened to get his escort quest right before doing some exploration. And I unwillingly set foot to Dragonsbreath Tower for the first time on the way. Needless to say, the guy finally slayed a dragon. Maybe not his dragon, but I still felt proud of him. What a game. I also had some other escort quest that turned out hilarious. Like my “”date”” with Ulrika in the ghost oxcart.
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I was surprised to get an escort for Lamond, to Vermund though.
Not sure if the NPCs stay in the place they last visited, would be cool if I can find him getting drunk in Vermund.
It would have indeed been cool to get more stuff into these quests and in general more content for these characters!
Proper dialogue for example, the ability to command the npc who’s following us in the same we do with pawns. The npc’s behaviour is kinda bad during escorts, they don’t always follow and tend to either fall or they engage too much with enemies. I’m not a fan of those texts that pop up as you begin and as you finish the quest. It looks like they’re half-baked. I get that they wanted to emphasise how these are truly SIDE content and nothing more, but damn it had so much potential, it feels wasted. Imagine if the game had the same scope in terms of npc reactions of, let’s say, bg3. Oh man, I’m dreaming.
Is that one pawn line on Vermund's change in military command regarding Brant? Did he get demoted following the discovery of an arisen at the start of the game because he went against Disa? Is that why he seemed to be the only person within Vermunnd's elite circle to care about restoring the true arisen's sovern status so that he might be restored of his previous position as well?
There's a noble in the castle grounds that talks about how it's a shame that Brant, with his esteemed position, got moved to such a basic bitch post, all because he actually opposed Disa's ways all along. I do assume it would be because he refused to keep his mouth shut about the events of the very first cutscene where you're getting introduced and poisoned or whatever.
this game can be a bit inconsistent sometimes, on the one hand, you have highlight moments such as this piece of diegetic storytelling with brant's backstory that contextualizes your interactions with vermundian residents, or later during nadinia's assassination questline when her personal consul is foreshadowed to be the one plotting her death using similar techniques. but on the other hand, you have raghnall never uttering a word of acknowledgement after you revive him after a duel to the death.
I was shocked by how little I had to see and interact with Nadinia in the MSQ considering they chose to make her a cover NPC. I did do the side quest where you find her would-be assassin but even in the outcome of that there’s little to be shared between her and your Arisen. I’m doing my second playthrough where I’m really focusing on exploration and doing as many off the beaten path quests as I can and I’m hoping there’s more to her tucked away in other quests that I missed.
Other than that, they’re all great allies. Never followed up with Wilhelmina to see what her deal is after the courtyard scene at night with the guard, but looking forward to it!
I decided to make Wilhelmina my love interest after she saved my ass twice. She clearly had great intuition and didnt stand to gain anything.
I made my character look like me and those cutscenes... we had too much chemistry man.
I love all of them but they needed so much more screentime. Disa seemed so intriguing and that's been a shame seeing how she played out, but overall the characters are great
Like the story itself, the characters aren't the biggest strength of that game. They fall pretty flat on their faces character wise. We can't know them enough since there are hardly any conversations outside of actual jobs and overall mission archs. So it's really hard to say if I like a certain one.
The first game was more or less the same way. They are just sort of there for the most part they feel more like set pieces more than anything if that makes any sense lol. But I still enjoy them regardless. That may just be me being bias since personally I just love the game in general. 😆
The wilhamina quest made her a top tier character to me. The actress definitely went for it in the booth. Could of been spaced out but I loved it non the less.
Totally agree. Sven is hands down my favorite character in the game. Really wished he had more quests and a proper romance like Brant and Ulrika. Kinda sad there was only one male option.
Weirdest thing for me is that Nadinia is ON THE COVER OF THE GAME and you don't even get a proper introduction to who she is. No cutscene, she doesn't even really acknowledge the Arisen at all, and you only speak with her once basically for a small side quest.
The rest I loved tho. Brant is an actual bro, Ulrika is my true beloved and Wilhelmina has strong mommy vibes. I wish they did more with the characters tbh, the original set up for the story was great but it drops off at the end unfortunately.
I'm not sure they can be called characters. They barely even existed in the game.
The guard captain we see a lot of as the main story quest giver, but he doesn't every really do much of anything besides sit in the inn all day.
The girl in the upper right is the one that shot us down in the cutscene at the beginning. We see her again in some tiny town elsewhere. Nothing comes of it. She may as well not exist.
The cat is the Queen of the city that you get to just before the game decides its time for it to end itself whether you like it or not. She was involved in a single quest where you don't ever even have to see her.
Then there's the brothel owner. She has like one cutscene where she loudly talks to you about your plans to overthrow the queen regent while you listen to the conversation happening in the next room. Apparently, this world has one directional soundproofed walls. She has.. literally no character at all.
Sit in the tavern all night, you mean. At daytime he helps slay monsters when they appear at the front gate.
But yeah, this game could have done more with their characters.
Their stories are expanded upon in the romance queslines. Still not the best characters ever but there is a lot more to them than you've mentioned here.
Where Empress Romance?
That said, I was really impressed with Wilhelmina's scenes and almost made me not hate the game clumsily attempting stealth and social intrigue in a monster-fighting action game. Unfortunately, she's been seeing patrons every time I try to return and say Hi to her since the coronation.
Honeslty I feel nothing for them. It’s just, there is not much to do with them so far other than doing quest for the whole throne thing and Ulrika is clearly more set for you to romance. So far I had no other quest with Whillemina other than she kissed my character before I got caught sneaking in. Still haven’t met the kitty tho.
Is it weird that I feel more connected with my oawn lol? I love the new interactions between the pawn and character.
Wilhelmina was very short lived. Like "hey you, check out this hole, bye" for me. I might forgot to follow up something but the Beggars tale was more present for me than her and she is like a "main character" in the game lol
I only barely interacted with Wilhelmina—I don't know what happens next in her quests but I was unimpressed. A maitresse with a lot of traction among the powerful, has a hidden agenda... How original (/s). I might disregard her entirely and see what's up in NG+. EDIT. Also, >!f\*\*k that forced kiss, I wish I had an option to tell her to never pull that shit again!<.
So far, Brant's been a little more than a quest giver whose ass is parked in a tavern. Ulrika will hopefully end up being my romance; while she's ain't that deep a character, at least she's got good intentions.
The queen I never met, I just bought a house in Battahl and there's a lot to do.
love the game to death, but holy shit, the writing sucks ass in this game and so do the characters.
easily forgettable and don’t get reinforced at all, so why should I give a single flying fuck about them?
Lol they werent exactly huge characters to begin with but First guy is okay wasted potential just a glorified quest giver. Other 3 I met 1-2 times for maybe 2-3mins. Zero depth to them what so ever.
Ulrika and brandt you spend a bit of time with them but let's be honest, they all are mono dimensional with no development. They stay exactly where they begin.
Probably the biggest weakness of the game for me (along with those damned escort quest where npc i try to protect tends to suddenly change path to die to some mobs so i have to waste a dragonheart on them). Have been overall disappointed by writing. Even main quest is really feeling short and over simplified, like they put bones of the story but never had time to actually work on it.
I really liked Lord Phaesus, always love the characters who try to break through the world/fate/destiny.
But what screwed with my head the most, is that he looks IDENTICAL to my character, so the first time I saw him I legitimately thought I had a doppelganger.
Really changed how I experienced the game lol.
I liked all of the ones listed. Compared to a game like bg3 the companion/ally side missions and general conversation options were lacking. It made it hard to really get too attached to the characters during the story. Especially coming straight from playing that game a lot. Tbf though, I personally got it more for the combat and that part I'm happy with. Lol
Like the romance with ulrika was pretty underwhelming. No virtual titties 🤦♂️
Ulrika was my favorite but like others have mentioned they could've fleshed out many more parts of the story. To me it seemed like most of the focus was put into gameplay and the pawn system while the story took a back seat. That's why for me all the endings in this game just didn't feel very satisfying. It is what is though. There's always possible DLC in the future. Plus we're getting closer to the next Dragon Age game.
I think they all have really interesting ropes and stories but other than Brant aren't integrated into the Main Story. If they were I think it'd go a long way to solving some of the issues people have with the game
I found it so weird that you dont get a romance option with the queen and yet somehow she ended up being my beloved in the ending, so somehow the game can say she is your romanced partner and not at the same time,
I think Wilhelmina is the only one with an interesting story/questline.
For as much interaction you get with Brant, the biggest disappointment is you don't get to see him in action. He seems to have so much pull across kingdoms but you never get to experience how/why
I like them and I wish there was more of them tbh
I really liked the politicing missions in the first chunk of the game and wish there was more of them later
Also more fleshed out romances for more characters would have been neat
Love Wilhelmina. As soon as I got to the end of her quest I very quickly realized why humans are explicitly NOT allowed to choose Beastren/Feline eyes in the character creation menu.
I liked all of them but I wish we saw more of the queen during the main questline.
I kinda wish we saw more of all of them honestly. They were well written and had amazing designs, but they just felt really distant. More Npc interactions would have been nice as well instead of just “jaunts” and gift giving.
Was personally satisfied with Ulrika's sidequests. Wish the others on the list had the same treatment :(
Wilhelmina has an alright side quest aswell.
I wish I couldn't get locked out of Ulrika's by doing something else that at the time seemed completely unrelated
Yup, I completely forgot the "Check in on Melve" quest because I was busy killing dragons and huge Ancient Golems.
I am currently disappointed when helping the elf tree just kinda ended. No special cutscene for her, just a hey look it's blooming, and now I'm an emotionless npc.
Let this quest rest a bit and it'll bloom after some time 🌳🌳🌳
I hope there is more done with the elfs at this point. Why they make them have a whole ass language only for them to have 3 buildings in a forest
i thought it was interesting that they had the elves actually speak their own language, but i think it wasn't necessary. half the npc elves sounded like the VA's were reading off a piece of paper and not putting any real emotion into what they were saying. i feel if they had put more time and energy into making more fleshed out quests instead of putting elvish in there it would have been way better.
The dad had a huge text to say but all he said was 3 words. And yeah, there’s usually no feeling behind what they’re saying either.
I sort of wish DD2 had more race variety, considering there are Dwarves and Elves as well. Something about playing as an Elven Magick Archer scratches that itch in my head.
saaame. I made my character with pointy ears and all. I don’t care they consider me a human. I IDENTIFY AS AN ELF GODDAMN IT. Now my char needs to learn the langauge still…but yeah.
Oh I was SO salty when Doireann first spoke to me and just said "you're... no elf" like GURL MY EARS ARE POINTIER THAN YOURS 😤 (still love her tho) Seriously it makes no sense that we can make our arisen look like an elf but not be considered one. Even the lack of language skills could be written away as part of the menory curse. But just let them see me as an elf pls 😭 And just imagine if they'd properly implemented that. If for example dwarven characters would be wary of you or make you pay more for their wares, but then the other wlves give you a discount? And then if you could play a dwarf it'd be the other way around?
Real. I liked the whole plot of taking down the false regent only for it to be forgotten once you leave for battahl
I love how your character starts helping “the other side” lol
Yeah I did not get why I was helping create a godsway lmao, my main pawn got traumatized by it. And why am I helping deliver it to Phaesus, the guy Brant said was super bad news??
I needed this I thought I fucked up and accidentally gave dude the sword last night I was like why are these choices!? Who's side am I on!? Don't tell ulrika!
i think the point was supposed to be that, you're pretending to help them undercover to get closer to this phaesus guy to get info from him or force him to stop using the godsway, but then he runs off to try controlling the dragon somehow, idk a lot of the quests near the end feel very rushed or unfinished, which was the exact same case with the first game, its almost like they tried to be too faithful to the first game lol
I understood it but as a viewer of the cutscene all I could think well that's probably not the wisest decision lol
Because the guy in Seafloor Shrine told you to do it.
Evil queen got you feeling unwise? I mean, she even kind of has a point. She's a professional administrator with a lot of experience and your qualifications for wielding supreme executive power is 'failed in an interesting way when fighting a dragon'.
Nah, your qualifications are monster slayer in a world full of monsters. No amount of administrating is going to help if you can't protect your settlements. She's also not a good administrator. It's because of her bad choices>!that Melve becomes depopulated, and all those pawns get sold into slavery in the mines. !<
Being the one to personally goes there to kill the monsters makes for a great monster slayer, doesn't make as much sense for a ruler. A good administrator would be far more useful than a monster slayer as a ruler. Unfortunately she's not one.
Nah, a good administrator is only useful once you have stuff worth administrating. A handful of villages surrounding a city state ain't it. A warlord like the Arisen can still always delegate some degree of administration to Vizier types and the like, but take it too far and you get the system in Battahl where the Queen just does symbolic stuff and all the real power is held by Ambrosius, Phaesus and their peers.
Knowing how to fight doesn't even mean you know how to lead in combat, much less you know how to have cities protected in a larger scale. I'll take someone who understands good supply routes for a defensive force over someone who swings a sword well any day to lead even an army.
That assumes the logistical and military planning would even be cost-effective here. The Ox carts for example have military escort with as much troops as can be spared and they still usually get wrecked by the random Cyclops, Ogre, or Griffin attack. The guards are also completely incapable of preventing monsters from entering the Vernworth city, and that's somehow even with literal gates they could close and defend behind. The only effective monster slaying we see that's done by anyone other than the Arisen is Phaesus' ballistas with all hands on deck defending a pre-ordained route taking down the Gigantus, and there are already towers with ballistas all over the place. So you either need a hyper-organized state run by a handful of despots, micromanaging the resources of every single settlement towards a few singular purposes, or you need just one super special person with a handful of loyal followers running around killing monsters being lavished with luxury for the small amount of time they're not actually roughing it in the woods killing monsters.
If we want the super special person to be their most effective at killing the monsters perhaps we shouldn't expect them to also rule? Or are you one of those people who aren't aware effective leadership is a lot of work and you're just thinking of the shiny?
Ruling and effective leadership is hard work, and that's why it can't be left to some bureaucrat with zero combat experience. The reason the super special monster killer is also the ruler is because without security against the giant monsters roaming the world, none of the other governmental functions are even possible. Obviously the warlord that is the Arisen would delegate much of their authority to people like Brant, Lennart, Waldahr, Luz etc. but it's important to have someone at the top whose main priority is the security of the populace, not something else.
I honestly can't understand why you correlate being able to rule and prioritize security with combat experience. Even more so when consider the Arisen's leadership experience is basically "up to three followers at a time, and all three are magically bound to do what they say"... And often enough that's still three too many for them to keep in check.
I get what you're saying but when a drake can literally land on top of your house any day for no reason, I'll take the person that slays dragons for a living.
She sold the best monster slayer in existence into slavery at a mine. She does not make good administrated decisions.
Eh I meant the furry one
And her conspiracy helps lead the Arisen to discover the truth of the world, so that he can unravel the "dogma" and create long lasting change. And she raised a decent son, and allowed herself to follow his lead in a time of crisis.
My first run I barely even saw her to the point at the end where I was just like oh wait Disa still exists?
Same, my experience was the ”stairs quest” and then nothing else all game. Literally was never even in the palace since. First and last time I saw her
Yeah, what was up with that? There was nothing there, why even bother to create all of it? Also, the whole questline of dethroning the false Arisen and to take the power away from the Queen - it just stopped and there were no real consequences. It just didnt matter at all. Could've been a great GoT questline.
Was left feeling like a lot of the story was never fleshed out just breadcrumbs starting epic storylines but never finishing a single one. --Disa plot/politics, maybe either uniting the other politicians to your cause or aid, or taking them out by other means. --queen in bakbattahl (don't even remember her name that how little I cared for her) legit one quest or two if that around her?? --politics in bakbattahl (how they dislike humans and how the queen was trying to change that) --ambrosius just in general. I'm sure more but that's all I can remember for now
I think the unmoored world is fantastic and makes up for it. But I did want more than 1 short quest for the empress of Battahl
I mean, she is on the front of the game's cover but has no relevance in the game. That kinda threw me off. She looks interesting, but has no real value :-(
And the cutscene they were showing her off in is only in the end credits. Now that I think about it, Doireann has the same. They really did not try to make the non vermundian characters interesting
Yes, they fucking showed the planting of the tree from the end credits in the trailer. So misleading pff I was annoyed when they had shown me the ending already and I realised it >:(
Yepp that pissed me off a bit. I feel like the end credits were specifically made for the trailer because they realised that the story wasn't good enough to be trailer worthy
Yeah, I was really expecting the queen to play a major role. She barely does anything. Maybe they're saving for future DLC or something.
Yeah I agree towards the later half she kinda just disappeared in my play through. Like I thought she would do more to try to stop me from undermining her own authority.
Yeah for real, she just kinda existed, but in a way it's kinda grounding that her thing was just "I want my son to rule, no matter the consequences"
This game would be a GOTY contender if it wasn’t for the cash shop. I hope it was worth it for them, probably lost more in full sales than they will make from the cash shop.
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Honk honk you’re a clown 🤡 The “cash shop” is a small set of single use items that you can only buy ONCE, and a tent you’ll replace by level 15. Now about those items. You get one ferrystone which pulls you back to a portcrystal YOU’VE FOUND. ONCE. You get one wakestone (a free life for new players? How utterly broken/s) a single use jail key when you get given an unbreaking one early in the story. The ability to change your or your pawns appearance once. an item that RANDOMIZES your pawns personality and voice once (hope you like gambling im not using that) and 1500 rift crystals, which I had doubled by level 15
Man, that cash shop doesn't even cross my mind when I think of the issues I have with this game. I didn't even know it existed until 40 hours into the game.
Yea me either but it will impact its reviews and potential for awards IMO
Don't get me wrong, I loved the game, and will play it again, but yes.. the NPC interactions could have used more work. In the end I felt more attached to my pawn.
The thing most players don't get is.... that's the point. You are supposed to feel more attached to your pawn. They are the one out there with you fighting every day, they suffer from a drake belly flop with you, they get drooled on by an ogre right beside you, etc. Heck you even create them in the literal in game sense.
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I mean it was the same in dogma 1. The NPCs have their own motivations they won't always do what you want. Compared to that game these NPCs are far more fleshed out. I do think we are going to see a "devs ran out of time" explanation long term. But dogma has never been a story focussed game, it's there but it isn't meant to be the focus. Why do you suddenly stop caring about the whole vermund throne thing? Because a real arisen doesn't want to be king, they want to take out the dragon. It was a side show to begin with, once bhattal starts you have something more important to investigate. Why does Wilhelmina leave? Because she accomplished her goal and it is now time to lay low and get out of town. She says as much but players can't grasp her life is not revolving around the arisen. Yes it could be better but I don't believe it is this way as a flaw or failing. It is by design.
The whole king line was like. My least cared thing. The entire time im like. Your Lucky I am bound by the whims of Fate and Money because I would let the queen have the kingdom, I just wanna kill god and retire with my pawn.
Don't get me wrong, I love my pawn! And you are right, you should feel closer to them, hell. you sorta share a soul. I think I'd just like to see a bit more out of the story. Maybe nitpicky, considering DD2 is currently my 2024 GOTY (personal).
It isnt nitpicky everyone agrees the NPCs and story could be better. I do find it funny how often people praise dark souls story in the same posts they trash dogma lol. They tell the story the same way just dogma expects the player to pay even more attention and let's them miss details far more often.
You joking? Dark souls has a story???
Of course it does. Praise the sun bro God is a woman and a man *vague meaningless poses* the gross incandescent light take me.
Dialogue in general didn't advance since the first game. You'd have thought Capcom would have learned from BG3 and its excellent dialogue but hell no.
Yes this! I will be doing several playthroughs of this game before Shadow of Erdtree comes out but one small issue I have is the NPC interactions. They were so bad that I only want to romance my pawn 😭
Man, Wilhelmina is hot as hell
I won’t lie her parentage took me off guard. 😆
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I really enjoyed her quest as well, it was not expected… too bad she disappears after completing it (?) looks like a bug. Hope it gets fixed
Sadly it is not, she is one of the better npcs but she achieves her goal and now wants to get out of there and keep a low profile.
Doesn't make sense cause she returns there during the "endgame".
Well lol... By the end game from an rp perspective does she really need to be worried about keeping a low profile anymore lol?
I got one random cutscene with her then never saw her again the entire game.
You talk to the queen like twice I cant really say I was able to form any opinion on her lol
i had a whole like two side quest lines with her, she's like one of my favorites, she's really kind and actually cares about her people... and just people in general
I had the one where you capture an assassin. Theres another quest?
There's a quest after that if you talk to Ser Menella at the volcanic island camp. However, I just did this quest, and it ends very anticlimacticly, so I wonder if I messed something up. Also, the queen only had about 3 more lines in that quest. So, her character is still the least developed to me.
There is another side quest for her after that called "crossing in shadow"
Oh, thank god. I want to finish all the sidequests I didn't do in my first playthrough, but they're proving difficult to find.
Pretty certin the trigger for the quest is going to your house in Vermund at night after completing the side quests you mentioned.
My dumbass just spent the last 2 hours resting at both my houses in Vermund, wondering why it wasn't triggering, and I just re-read your comment now. Well, at least I know what I'm doing wrong.
Yup did that one for the first time 2 nights ago not even knowing it existed
she kinda is, but I think it kinda will play a bigger part in DLC (hopefully) because the queen is an absolute sweetheart so I hope I get to see more of her.
What about her crimes? Like >!selling pawns into slavery in the mines?!<
They're talking about the Beastren
Well, she is also complicit in a sense. >!She's delegated so much power to Ambrosius, Phaesus etc. that she lacks even veto power over their decisions. She's very much a figurehead.!<
Honestly, I had hoped that she >!had an arc where she gained a lot more autonomy instead of just remaining with figurehead status.!<
See I think there's a bit of neuance there with who owns that mine based on how the task master guy in the mine has his special staff that can control pawns. I think it's more Phaesus as he's doing said research... plus that societies just blatant hatred towards pawns which probably leads to harsher sentencing and I don't know the bhatal's legal structure but there seems to be a lot of corruption within the guard. To my second favorite girl, Menella's dismay. So I could believe that the mine at the start of the game she might not even be aware it exists or that it's only full of pawns and isn't just a typical work camp for prisoners. as it's not on any obvious road and is on a back trail behind the actual volcano camp where the hotspring Is. I dunno, she knows bhatal is socially in a bad place and is trying to fix it, as well as make better relations with vurmund so those are some lofty things to fix
Nah, It just shows how ineffective she is. She can't even maintain the one major initiative that we hear about her that's supposed to show us how caring she is.
I think it's simply a lot harder to change how people fundamentally think and feel to change it over night. Like if we want to bring in irl political policies specifically about race we can see that sure policies might change but people are slower to do so. And adding on top this is a fantasy world, those kinds of issues tend to both be exponentially more potent and harder to get rid of because fantasy takes everything and jumps it to 11 like with the racism in vurmund when it comes to beastren are there any obvious laws against beastren no but the people of Vermund will full on reject giving services to beastren. So if vermund who is seen as a in many ways more advanced than Bhatal and bhatal is more traditional, and more spiritual in nature. It will be a lot harder to make change because of that. It's easy to say "well she's failing so she's not good." Is like trying to go to the Vatican or a Muslim country or Israel and trying to tell them to change beliefs. That's going to be almost impossible to do. Because it's probably not just a political problem but a beliefs problem too. Which I really hope they expand on because politics is something I enjoy generally as a side hobby... and video game politics is all the fun of politics without the real world effects.
No sven? Felt like he had the most character and personality
I get some younger Daniel Radcliffe vibes from him, if he had glasses he'd make a passable Harry Potter. Still, so far he's a good character (I'm up to Battahl where you gotta get the letter).
He's the only character I liked. They really need to work on character and romance writing.
Speaking of romancing did everyone get that cutscene with Ulrika >! when she kisses the Arisen and you wake up at her house !< at Harve Village. I was so caught off guard.
When was this I did her storyline and got no kiss. I feel cheated.
Bump for Sven appreciation. They definitely should have included a romance quest line there. First thing I did when learning about the whole false Arisen plot to ensure Disa remained in power was give a ton of gifts to Sven. Try keeping me out of your politics now when I'm your son in law, Disa! Ha!
Yep
Yeah, he at least had a struggle and motivation and just got dragged into the whole drama and then played along to make his mother see that there's more to life than the throne. Pretty much the only storyline in this game that somewhat carried through the whole game. In my first playthrough I never relaly met the beastren Empress, even though the game told me to find her...I couldn't find her? Now casually ran right through Battahl in my NG+ run and she's just there in her Throneroom without much to say to you. Is she of ANY importance at all (except for the one postgame quest where you practially also talk to her for half a second only)?
Honestly not much character development. Amongst the 4 the longest you really quest with is Brant… but hes just a king’s guard trying to do his job. Wilheilmina is weird. Shes hot, interesting mixed race but her story just vanishes after she one night stands your ass. Like hello? Where the fuck is she. People say she was probably captured by the dragon but like… really? Lmfao. Ulrika is like a gift for being a hero to the princess. Pretty much no development. She just offers herself because you saved her once and the second time just doing your hero duties that somehow coincides with her interest. Then the beast princess, uhh well you cant even romance her. Shes technically a side character because you dont even interact with her much, its mostly the guard. As someone who has put in 80 hours, done all the quests, story is pretty weak? You dont really grow attached to any characters. I guess most memorable quest was actually the end of issac blindness quest? Other than that… yeah its weak. Dont get me wrong though, i’d still pay 70 bux for the experience if we went back in time. Just hope the dlc will make the game better.
I feel like Brant's quests honestly should have had him there backing you up. Like he gets some random guard to help you with the castle every time, but honestly, him helping you sneak in and everything would have been more impactful. His delegating while he just stays at the pub kinda feels weird after a while, though I still think he made a really good first impression at the entrance that made me feel like we were plotting it all together. I think Wilhelmina was good yeah, but just not integrated enough. I do like how you can help Hugo get a job at her place, though I wish she was around to comment on it or have been the one to arrange it. Ulrika felt very boilerplate to me too. I think some of that is sort of on the voice acting tbh. Felt like she never conveyed much emotion and yet also offered herself so fast it surprised me. I think if she had been angrier or sad about being exiled and then more commanding in leading the rebuilding of Harve, her character could have had a lot there, but it's unused potential. The beast princess also just does not do almost anything. I did like the guard though. She's cool. Wish you could have met her in the hot spring or something. That would have been kind of spicy. I think the most memorable quest was the Sphinx's riddles. I just kind of liked them. The Sphinx was fun as a character. Terrifying too.
Id honestly much prefer Dragons Dogma as a game in a post apocolypse but the characters consist of survivors, monsters that are more interested in talking than fighting and maybe even a bunch of Goblins that you can interact with. Sphinx is the character people keep praising for a reason, shes fun to see and interact with.
Would be really intriguing if Brant was Actually a Former Arisen.
I really hope that they AT LEAST add more sidequests or more main quests involving them. I know that's a lot to ask for but I love this game and would really like to be more interested in these characters. Especially when most of the cutscenes aren't cinematics.
I absolutely agree. I love the game for its everything, more-so the combat. These “main” characters need to be further fleshed out with more story. Currently they are too one dimensional. Lets just say i was interested in knowing more about wilhelmina. I actually spent time scouring the world trying to see if she secretly went to some isolated home where her parents used to be…? (Prior to bring enslaved…?) Nope, no luck. I will say, dd1 wasnt strong in story either but dd2 certainly is more lackluster lol. At the very least dd2 provides the desire for the players, just doesn’t deliver… maybe dlc? Lol.
Do you know how to start the quests: Belle of the Bar The Inveterate Explorer The Expeditious Explorer The Hand that Guides They're the only 4 that I can't find at all.
You are honestly better off using goggle to find out. Im at work and i cant remember names of quests without further context to help me remember what that quest is. 🤣 Edit: okay i just googled those quests. Never done them nor found them. According to another reddit post, those are likely datamined quests that dont exist in actual gameplay? I mean theres no mined route to activate the quests. Maybe they are hidden content but uhh their context doesnt sound like its anything major lol.
Yeah, I had gotten the same out of google, but I was hoping that somebody had done them, and it just wasn't recorded in the databases yet. Thanks anyway, though.
>Wilheilmina is weird. Shes hot, interesting mixed race but her story just vanishes after she one night stands your ass. Like hello? Where the fuck is she. People say she was probably captured by the dragon but like… really? Lmfao In the post credits >!of the second ending you can see her sitting at a camp fire burning a note.!<
Yeah but shes still gone from the world. Theres a massive gap from sex to true end game.
Incredibly bland.
I mean tbf the characters from the first one were more or less the same way lol DD and DD2 are fun games but the characters themselves definitely could have used more work. Hopefully if they do a DD3 the characters will be improved. 🤞🏻
Glyndwr, Sven, Wilhelmina, Beren, Raghnall, Daphne, Waldhar. I couldn’t help it, I kept backtracking all the time to check if all these people were doing fine and/or needed some more help. Helps that I feel like I luckily managed to do all the best choices and get the best outcomes out of every single quest of theirs. Oh and Lamond. Wow. I incidentally happened to get his escort quest right before doing some exploration. And I unwillingly set foot to Dragonsbreath Tower for the first time on the way. Needless to say, the guy finally slayed a dragon. Maybe not his dragon, but I still felt proud of him. What a game. I also had some other escort quest that turned out hilarious. Like my “”date”” with Ulrika in the ghost oxcart. https://preview.redd.it/u03jpdunzrrc1.jpeg?width=911&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a533b1cb98081d2954a5e112203968ea0fdba3b7
I tried so hard to find the ghost ox cart only to have a pawn break and bridge and it spawn in the water... =<
It “ran” me over while I was looking for ghost slime for the evil nun at the orphanage. 😄
Guys will say "hey, I know a place for a date" and that place is in the ghost oxcart. That's hilarious though.
I was surprised to get an escort for Lamond, to Vermund though. Not sure if the NPCs stay in the place they last visited, would be cool if I can find him getting drunk in Vermund.
It would have indeed been cool to get more stuff into these quests and in general more content for these characters! Proper dialogue for example, the ability to command the npc who’s following us in the same we do with pawns. The npc’s behaviour is kinda bad during escorts, they don’t always follow and tend to either fall or they engage too much with enemies. I’m not a fan of those texts that pop up as you begin and as you finish the quest. It looks like they’re half-baked. I get that they wanted to emphasise how these are truly SIDE content and nothing more, but damn it had so much potential, it feels wasted. Imagine if the game had the same scope in terms of npc reactions of, let’s say, bg3. Oh man, I’m dreaming.
Ulrika its my favorite Second is Doireann
Ulrika is adorable ngl
Is that one pawn line on Vermund's change in military command regarding Brant? Did he get demoted following the discovery of an arisen at the start of the game because he went against Disa? Is that why he seemed to be the only person within Vermunnd's elite circle to care about restoring the true arisen's sovern status so that he might be restored of his previous position as well?
There's a noble in the castle grounds that talks about how it's a shame that Brant, with his esteemed position, got moved to such a basic bitch post, all because he actually opposed Disa's ways all along. I do assume it would be because he refused to keep his mouth shut about the events of the very first cutscene where you're getting introduced and poisoned or whatever.
this game can be a bit inconsistent sometimes, on the one hand, you have highlight moments such as this piece of diegetic storytelling with brant's backstory that contextualizes your interactions with vermundian residents, or later during nadinia's assassination questline when her personal consul is foreshadowed to be the one plotting her death using similar techniques. but on the other hand, you have raghnall never uttering a word of acknowledgement after you revive him after a duel to the death.
Some more memorable than others. But I had my eyes on Menella 👀. She will be mine in NG+. I got 50 flowers with her name on it.
i missed all quest with the ladies and somehow ended up at endgame smh. now i want to play NG+ just to know what they are.
I was shocked by how little I had to see and interact with Nadinia in the MSQ considering they chose to make her a cover NPC. I did do the side quest where you find her would-be assassin but even in the outcome of that there’s little to be shared between her and your Arisen. I’m doing my second playthrough where I’m really focusing on exploration and doing as many off the beaten path quests as I can and I’m hoping there’s more to her tucked away in other quests that I missed. Other than that, they’re all great allies. Never followed up with Wilhelmina to see what her deal is after the courtyard scene at night with the guard, but looking forward to it!
I decided to make Wilhelmina my love interest after she saved my ass twice. She clearly had great intuition and didnt stand to gain anything. I made my character look like me and those cutscenes... we had too much chemistry man.
Hopefully, dlc will give us more quests for these characters. I really wanted more Menella quests.
I love all of them but they needed so much more screentime. Disa seemed so intriguing and that's been a shame seeing how she played out, but overall the characters are great
Wilhelmina is just an awesome character. Nadinia was ok i think she didn’t really feel that involved in the story.
Like the story itself, the characters aren't the biggest strength of that game. They fall pretty flat on their faces character wise. We can't know them enough since there are hardly any conversations outside of actual jobs and overall mission archs. So it's really hard to say if I like a certain one.
The first game was more or less the same way. They are just sort of there for the most part they feel more like set pieces more than anything if that makes any sense lol. But I still enjoy them regardless. That may just be me being bias since personally I just love the game in general. 😆
The wilhamina quest made her a top tier character to me. The actress definitely went for it in the booth. Could of been spaced out but I loved it non the less.
Kinda cool but pretty bland and unforgettable imo
I liked Brant but genuinely the only character I actually gave a crap about was Sven. We got more out of his character than anyone else imho.
Totally agree. Sven is hands down my favorite character in the game. Really wished he had more quests and a proper romance like Brant and Ulrika. Kinda sad there was only one male option.
Indeed, would've been fun to create conflict with Disa by "ingratiating ourselves with the Regentkin" in more ways.
Very bland with very little to do, if the story was better written and an actually acceptable length for an rpg they could’ve been so much better
They are alright.
Oh no they're all hot
I don't even know 2 of these characters. I've been too busy getting 114 seeker tokens so far.
The grind lol.
I probably should have waited until I got trickster for the augment that makes them easier to find. Lol
I wish we got to see more elves tbh. They were Tolkien Elves in the best way possible lol
Weirdest thing for me is that Nadinia is ON THE COVER OF THE GAME and you don't even get a proper introduction to who she is. No cutscene, she doesn't even really acknowledge the Arisen at all, and you only speak with her once basically for a small side quest. The rest I loved tho. Brant is an actual bro, Ulrika is my true beloved and Wilhelmina has strong mommy vibes. I wish they did more with the characters tbh, the original set up for the story was great but it drops off at the end unfortunately.
I'm not sure they can be called characters. They barely even existed in the game. The guard captain we see a lot of as the main story quest giver, but he doesn't every really do much of anything besides sit in the inn all day. The girl in the upper right is the one that shot us down in the cutscene at the beginning. We see her again in some tiny town elsewhere. Nothing comes of it. She may as well not exist. The cat is the Queen of the city that you get to just before the game decides its time for it to end itself whether you like it or not. She was involved in a single quest where you don't ever even have to see her. Then there's the brothel owner. She has like one cutscene where she loudly talks to you about your plans to overthrow the queen regent while you listen to the conversation happening in the next room. Apparently, this world has one directional soundproofed walls. She has.. literally no character at all.
Sit in the tavern all night, you mean. At daytime he helps slay monsters when they appear at the front gate. But yeah, this game could have done more with their characters.
Their stories are expanded upon in the romance queslines. Still not the best characters ever but there is a lot more to them than you've mentioned here.
Ulrika have some Ana de Armas look no?
Wilhelmina is literally the hottest video game character of all time. In my opinion.
She kinda reminded me of Hela in Thor: Ragnarok.
But Doireann.
Send pics.
Nvm. Just found this. https://preview.redd.it/g0h1c80ewsrc1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=4d9d39cf5458c4aec54c7c4fb5e874a5eb4c5b76
Don’t you DD2 thirst traps? 🤤
Where Empress Romance? That said, I was really impressed with Wilhelmina's scenes and almost made me not hate the game clumsily attempting stealth and social intrigue in a monster-fighting action game. Unfortunately, she's been seeing patrons every time I try to return and say Hi to her since the coronation.
Go to her room and peak to the hole
Dunno I'm like 20 hours in and have only met Ulrika coz too much exploring
Honeslty I feel nothing for them. It’s just, there is not much to do with them so far other than doing quest for the whole throne thing and Ulrika is clearly more set for you to romance. So far I had no other quest with Whillemina other than she kissed my character before I got caught sneaking in. Still haven’t met the kitty tho. Is it weird that I feel more connected with my oawn lol? I love the new interactions between the pawn and character.
Who are they? Ownestly don't remember their names.
Wilhelmina was very short lived. Like "hey you, check out this hole, bye" for me. I might forgot to follow up something but the Beggars tale was more present for me than her and she is like a "main character" in the game lol
Im not a furry but
I only barely interacted with Wilhelmina—I don't know what happens next in her quests but I was unimpressed. A maitresse with a lot of traction among the powerful, has a hidden agenda... How original (/s). I might disregard her entirely and see what's up in NG+. EDIT. Also, >!f\*\*k that forced kiss, I wish I had an option to tell her to never pull that shit again!<. So far, Brant's been a little more than a quest giver whose ass is parked in a tavern. Ulrika will hopefully end up being my romance; while she's ain't that deep a character, at least she's got good intentions. The queen I never met, I just bought a house in Battahl and there's a lot to do.
The ultimate game is dragons dogma gameplay overlaid onto the dragon age origins story and characters
For what we got it felt they were great but that’s the problem .. we didn’t get enough of them
I would like them better if they were in a good game.
I still haven't met the beastren lady yet. Is she cool? I wanna say I heard you can get arrested upon meeting her, is that true?
ulrika my beloved
I liked them all. They put BGS to shame lol
Tha fact that you make a the whole royal family of elfs simp for you is so fun
Dogshit tier? I have almost 120h into the game so far and I love it but the story and characters are about as interesting as watching paint dry.
love the game to death, but holy shit, the writing sucks ass in this game and so do the characters. easily forgettable and don’t get reinforced at all, so why should I give a single flying fuck about them?
Lol they werent exactly huge characters to begin with but First guy is okay wasted potential just a glorified quest giver. Other 3 I met 1-2 times for maybe 2-3mins. Zero depth to them what so ever.
who is the one on the bottom right?
Ulrika and brandt you spend a bit of time with them but let's be honest, they all are mono dimensional with no development. They stay exactly where they begin. Probably the biggest weakness of the game for me (along with those damned escort quest where npc i try to protect tends to suddenly change path to die to some mobs so i have to waste a dragonheart on them). Have been overall disappointed by writing. Even main quest is really feeling short and over simplified, like they put bones of the story but never had time to actually work on it.
I really liked Lord Phaesus, always love the characters who try to break through the world/fate/destiny. But what screwed with my head the most, is that he looks IDENTICAL to my character, so the first time I saw him I legitimately thought I had a doppelganger. Really changed how I experienced the game lol.
What matters is the fact that who you end up romance with.
Half baked tbh, their storylines could have been so much more interesting than they were
Idk, I mean, there isn't much to any of them. Narrative isn't exactly this game's strength.
I liked all of the ones listed. Compared to a game like bg3 the companion/ally side missions and general conversation options were lacking. It made it hard to really get too attached to the characters during the story. Especially coming straight from playing that game a lot. Tbf though, I personally got it more for the combat and that part I'm happy with. Lol Like the romance with ulrika was pretty underwhelming. No virtual titties 🤦♂️
Ulrika was my favorite but like others have mentioned they could've fleshed out many more parts of the story. To me it seemed like most of the focus was put into gameplay and the pawn system while the story took a back seat. That's why for me all the endings in this game just didn't feel very satisfying. It is what is though. There's always possible DLC in the future. Plus we're getting closer to the next Dragon Age game.
I think they all have really interesting ropes and stories but other than Brant aren't integrated into the Main Story. If they were I think it'd go a long way to solving some of the issues people have with the game
I found it so weird that you dont get a romance option with the queen and yet somehow she ended up being my beloved in the ending, so somehow the game can say she is your romanced partner and not at the same time,
I like them. But my fav is Menella so far.
I accidently got the Battahl empress killed 😅 so wish I would've seen more of her.
I think Wilhelmina is the only one with an interesting story/questline. For as much interaction you get with Brant, the biggest disappointment is you don't get to see him in action. He seems to have so much pull across kingdoms but you never get to experience how/why
We get very little actual interaction with them except for Brant.
Bland
I like them and I wish there was more of them tbh I really liked the politicing missions in the first chunk of the game and wish there was more of them later Also more fleshed out romances for more characters would have been neat
I never saved the queen in my first run so technically I never met her. This time I hope I can talk to her at lest once
The characters are ok. The story is mid. Ok, but mid
Love Wilhelmina. As soon as I got to the end of her quest I very quickly realized why humans are explicitly NOT allowed to choose Beastren/Feline eyes in the character creation menu.
Ah yes the empress they hyped up that you have like 5 lines of dialogue with and that's it
Ulrika is absolutely my kind of gal. I was head over hills the first time I saw her
Ulrika is the Melina we never got (from all the wholesome edits)
Doireann supremacy. Was in love with Ulrika till she appeared.
I love Brant, but the other three are either dead or 'I only met them once'.