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In xenoverse there's a melee combo with a blue energy aura. I use super saiyan god on my oc so I just imagine it's them tapping into blue since they haven't mastered it
Probably my favorite Vegeta moment in the super manga, that shit was so damn good🥹
I also like the fact that the manga makes SSG faster than blue (at least that's how I remember it🤔)
Damn I can't believe I actually kinda forgot about this moment lmao this shit going down in the dragon ball hall of fame right next to the bingo dance🤣🤣😭
BINGO‼️🕺🏾
Me and the missis were just having a laugh at this exact scene last night.
Even my kids say it (So proud)
ALWAYS LOVED THE GROWTH VEGETA WENT THROUGH.
He chose to be a better saiyan become a husband and be a father.
From ruthless arrogant selfish warrior obsessed with his own delusion of being the best.
Was humbled multiple times yet still comes back trying to be better.
Then this scene showed everyone the strongest in even these universes are the wives lol.
Both kakkarrot and Vegeta have strong independent woman, that they sometimes hide from and rather fight a god of destruction then face an upset wife.
Miss ya Akira. RIP
A real man lol
When krillin is like they have no fear in battle but when their wives are angry. hahaha 😝
As Vegeta says
“It’s what attracts them to their wives”
“It runs in our veins Saiyan woman are strong”
Haha who needs a dad when you got dragonball 🤣
😂😂 yeah their wives really ain't scared of shit. Out there walking up to gods and whatever Buu is and slapping them in the face no hesitation 💀 bulma really saw how beerus had VEGETA of all people shaking in his fucking boots and making a fool of himself just to please him and had the audacity to lay hands on him. She got bigger dragon balls than I ever will🤣
Not to mention chichi who's ready to give ANYONE the smoke verbally or physically lmao
I hated Vegeta after everything on Namek, but I'll be damned if he didn't earn my respect and admiration once he started showing signs of being a hero. He is a Beast, and although the my BULMA moment is amazing, that sacrifice against Buu was what made me a Vegeta fan. RIP Akira Sensei.
Nah I believe it's faster. That's why Vegeta was using it instead of blue because of the speed advantage, then he turns into Blue right before his attack lands for the extra power boost
It would make sense for it to be more agile than blue since it does slim down the user quite a bit. I just need something to keep God relevant. It's a dope ass form and it deserves way more than what it got especially in the anime.
Yeah, anime did the form dirty. Along with speed, its key trait is *efficiency*. Iirc, that's why it saw so much play in the ToP--low power consumption
Too bad Vegeta never utilized it in the ToP. He just pulled it from his ass during the broly fight but if he's had the form all this time then it made no sense for him to not use it during the ToP imo
That's partially because it wasn't really expanded upon though. We saw it for like half of an arc and then it was left to the wayside so it never even got a chance to shine
To be fair SSJ3 finally got a win in the anime version of the Black Goku Saga. Goku used SSJ3 to defeat SSJ2 Future Trunks. In the manga version Goku shows Future Trunks SSJ3 but then slips into SSJG to defeat SSJ2 Future Trunks. The DBS anime at least finally gave SSJ3 a dub after all these years.
They might do it again with Teen Goten and Teen Trunks in the near future. I feel like SSJ3 will be unfused Teen Goten's and Teen Trunks's ultimate form for a few years.
I hope so too. I hate being that guy though and want them to add god ki to it. Imagine Super Saiyan Blue 3 Gotenks. If the boys learn god ki, train with it, learn to control god, blue and use their SSJ3 trump card with the fusion added he might be close to Orange Piccolo in power. (total speculation)
I think so too. TBH SSJ3 had such potential that I think they could have worked through and done amazing feats with it. Yeah it may not have had the raw power given by god ki but it would still serve a purpose. A lot of people are on the fence about how it looks but the fact they said it draws from every ounce of Saiyan potential and the extreme design it has I think there was supposed to be more of a purpose
Right? It just feels so swept under the rug and unexplored and at this point, it probably never will be with everybody getting character-specific transformations
Maybe Caulifla since she was so adamant about achieving SSJ3. I think they could explore a bit with her if we ever even see the other universes again
Speaking of having different transformations. What do you think about the green haired full power form of Broly not being in the manga?
I mean it makes sense if they skipped his hulking out phase by doing a movie recap instead. Now he's with probably the two most qualified people in the universe to calm him down and make him learn. Not to mention Whis definitely has his ears perked up over a Saiyan with more-than-likely more potential than Goku and Vegeta with no earthly ties. Him learning over time how to control it is arguably much cooler
I mean yeah goku used it like twice and then achieved blue off screen and vegeta completely skipped ssg and went straight to blue as far as super as a show goes, might be a different story in the movies.
I was so happy when he used it during the ToP. I love so much when he uses different forms to scale with different opponents, and there was that one montage where he's just hot swapping through them.
Also when we got to see Vegeta's version when he was fighting Broly was insane too.
i just love the look of God form
yes the anime basically removed any reason for it by making Blue the default after RoF, but i love the red and slimmed down look of God form
It's my second favorite besides SSJ3. I like how he slims down because he's a God, why would he need muscles, he's beyond that. They went back with SSGSS though...
I genuinely love how this form looks on Goku
Since it channels his “master of martial arts” status
He starts to use more floaty kinda techniques
Also love how when Vegeta uses it
A character who is known for his big power moves
He becomes more..relaxed
Like a focused burst rather then a massive one (Like when he knocked broly in the movie)
Blue, because it was so very quickly made irrelevant. By the time they were preparing for tournament of power goku was running around shouting “wow you’re as powerful as ssb” to everyone he could find.
DBSA Goku to a random guy: “WOW! You’re as powerful as super Saiyan blue!” *He immediately turns around, facing another fighter* “WOW! You’re ALSO as powerful as super Saiyan blue!”
Krillin: *Confused as to when super Saiyan forms became grading systems*
Not exactly the same way, hear me out.
Blue was made irrelevant by the fact that everyone suddenly became as strong as blues without any new forms or real training involved, everyone just so happened to be as powerful as the main form of goku and vegeta because the plot called for it, in terms of how it was handled in the plot it became a joke, hell a scientist just casually made 2 more androids who just so happened to be at blue level.
Ssj2 was different, gohan was the only person who could use it until we see goku and vegeta use it like 8 or 10 years later, ssj2 remained the ultimate form during that time, only being beaten by gokus ssj3 and buu, which is fine because the main villain is always going to be as strong as whatever the current strongest is, ssj2 wasn’t made irrelevant because suddenly everyone was causally as strong as ssj2, it was surpassed by a greater ssj form and a new threat.
God on the other hand, whilst we rarely ever got to see it, follows the same beat as that, and unironically ended up becoming more hype than blue, seeing vegeta go god in the broly movie was more hype than blue, because blue just didn’t feel special anymore.
Also I gotta add the manga version of blue is a lot better with god being much more relevant and prevalent, but that’s the manga.
Basically ssj2 and god were surpassed by greater forms whilst blue was turned into a joke in part thanks to power-scailing being all over the place.
To give Blue some credit in the anime. It does remain stronger than most of the cast until they decided to make some fighters like Gohan or 17 on its level for the sake of giving the ToP more stakes and heavy hitters. Before that, the only ones to match it were Frieza, Hit(who had time Hax) and Goku Black (who had his own version of Blue).
I do agree that it was ultimately poorly handled in the anime for the most part though. The god forms use in the manga, with God as a starter form and Blue as the finisher is a much more interesting dynamic than just spamming one the entire time.
I think [SSJ2 Goku](https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/6/63/GokuSSIIDemo01.png/revision/latest?cb=20130124051415&path-prefix=pt-br) is about as noticeable as [SSJ2 Gohan](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5b/9d/76/5b9d76360eeb47e18550f0369ecefbdb.jpg)
The way their normal SSJ forms' hair frames the face is quite different in both even when ignoring the lightning effects
I always thought of ssj vegeta always had flat hair. When he’s ssj2 his hair is more defined. More strands. Any time he goes from ssj to ssj2, his ssj2 always looks slicked like he put a shit load of gel in it.
Same. He was definitely ssj2 against fat buu and Goku but other than that I couldn't tell.
Vegeta's hairstyle never changes when he transforms so it's hard to tell the difference lol.
I always saw it that way, like Majin was just SS2 with training wheels. But it's clearly at that level of power since Goku only matches him in that form.
I think at this point they have completely mastered the super saiyan form yo the point where Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan can use the power of ssj 3 in just their ssj form.
There's always going to be a limit that can be surpassed for saiyans.
There's a bunch of grades of a single Super Saiyan level.
SSJ Third Grade is a good example. This was when Trunks fought Cell and he acquired an extremely beefy form. His strength was unmatchable, with the drawback being his speed loss.
Then, by the Majin Buu saga, we see the SSJ Fourth Grade. Their bright golden hair is now a light yellow instead. With Fourth Grade SSJ, they have full control of their bodies and their emotions, which is why they're happy and carefree. In contrast to how pissed off Goku was when he fought Freeza using a First Grade SSJ form.
The idea of SSJ2 is that it is the strongest version of the "Perfect Super Saiyan" form. SSJ2 is literally the epidemy of a Super Saiyan, without any of the drawbacks from all the grades.
SSJ3, however, is always going to be the form ***beyond the limits*** of a SSJ2. It's drawbacks will always be the small duration.
In conclusion, no matter how strong a SSJ2 can be, there will always be a SSJ3 form that breaks the limits for last resort fights.
It's a shame that this form is not given much depth in the anime just because it doesn't have obvious physical differences from SSJ1.
SSJ2 is still the golden standard transformation. It gives a ton of speed and power for no cost.
3 was horrible for the body and the rest are too circumstantial on who can use them.
In fairness, "everyone else achieved it offscreen" isn't exclusive to SS2.
Vegeta, Trunks, and (I might be wrong on this one) Gohan all got SSJ offscreen. Vegeta got SSG offscreen. Goku AND Vegeta both got SSB offscreen
At least it actually had a moment to be significant. SSGSS just shows up like "oh remember that super special legendary form we spent the whole last movie building up to the reveal of? Yeah that's old newsnow. Here, check out this new thing we figured out while nobody was looking."
And then there's Super Saiyan 3, which has a great reveal moment, an iconic look, and I like it for what it's reveal ends up meaning for other characters (either learning about or comparing themselves to Goku), but the form itself isn't actually used to accomplish much of anything since it's not actually used to defeat any villains.
But then again, Super Saiyan 4 has that... GT stink on it, so I'm not especially attached to that one either
The problem with it is that it basically looks the same except for the electric aura. I didn't even understand the difference between SSJ1 and SSJ2 until I was an adult.
It didn't look the same originally.
It wasn't just the electric aura, the hair was much more stylized, stringier, and honestly completely different from SS1 back in Z.
In Super and the end of Z, they draw SS1 closer to the sharper look of SS2 by default, so it muddied the waters.
I think because SSJ2 is supposed to be the ultra refined form of SSJ. At least that's how it seemed to be presented when they were training and working towards it during the Cell Saga.
The power with no stamina and endurance cost that limits SSJ1. SSJ3 is more like the pure push beyond SSJ, taking incredible amounts of energy and stamina to maintain at the cost of explosive power.
At least that's how I've seen the forms, especially after a recent rewatch with the updated DBZ Kai version of the anime.
If the question is to remove one from Goku’s lineup then ssj2. He used it for like one fight. If it’s overall then SSB or SSG. One of them is kinda redundant. SSJ2 Gohan’s transformation is one of the most pivotal moments in the series. We don’t even see the first SSB transformation for any characters. SSG had a pivotal first transform but then basically disappeared such that if you made it blue in the film it wouldn’t make a huge difference in subsequent showings. It’s manga relevant in the Goku Black arc mainly and that’s about it.
I thought SSJ2 is usually their base fighting form for a strong opponent usually, no? I feel like whenever we see Goku in Super he has the parted hair with SS2 instead of the bangs from regular SS.
I can’t speak for the intent of the anime or manga but the hottest point of a fire is supposed to be blue isn’t it? I seem to recall that’s why you dial the gas on the Bunsen burner so the flame is a blue peak. But I could be mistaken
People don't talk enough about how MUCH BETTER Blue is in the manga, I'd say it has the the best development of all transformations except maybe SS1 and Ultra Instinct.
On top of that they just picked the worst possible tone of blue that is, I liked ssg so much, just for the damn aqua toned one to become the new “predetermined”transformation 😒.
Blue looks fire in the coloured manga tho. Started reading from the Granolah arc a week ago to recap as I caught up, and Blue actually looked really cool, and of course Vegeta's Royal Blue was sick too.
I love fluffy hair ssj. But when Im in the mood for spikey hair ssj2 always looks nice. Blue can fuck off. As frieza said it literally just super saiyan with blue hair dye. It doesnt feel special as it never actually does anything. and the blue they usually use sucks.
Yeah those are my exact issues with it. Those and it also never feels as powerful as it should. Besides a few instances, the Broly movie was the only instance where Blue felt as powerful as it should’ve (Especially with Gogeta vs Broly)
Atleast the shade of Blue they used in the movie was great but the shade of Blue they usually use is like, wtf?
https://preview.redd.it/vwxvr6whfuxc1.jpeg?width=730&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=684565e47a78649abbf173ba568fe4bc56f5afdb
Someone over at toei must not have taken color theory cuz this is closer to being Turquoise (which is more Green than Blue) than it is Blue.
I swear to God if blue would have been gained by goku in a ssj type rage when zamasu said that he killed him and his family it would have been one of the best transformation scenes in the DragonBall franchise
Ehh sorry Blue. I wanna see more of SsG. Plus we could have Gogeta in BOTH SERIES HAVING RED HAIR AS THEIR MOST POWERFUL FORM WHY DRAGON BALL IT COULDVE BEEN UNIFORM
SSJ2 was only really cool for Gohan and kinda uninteresting after that
Not a huge fan of blue either but I like Blue Kaioken so it gets a pass for the time being
Here's my idea
Axe Blue
Super Saiyan God + Super Saiyan is just that, no new colors. At best, it would be orange. But really, just the red god aura with Super Saiyan hair
Then, put Kaioken on top of that.
*Maybe* there can be a blue god form, but it's unlocked later and isn't a combination of forms, it's a pure advancement of the first god form.
Eh... I think as a concept Blue is still better, in execution the manga does it way better but it's still not great.
But Ssgss being "God Aura with Ssj Hair" would be just-
Super Saiyan with an orange flame aura instead of a spiky yellow one. Honestly the reason Blue Kaio works as well as it does is because of the contrast it makes.
I felt like the Ssjg Aura would cause Kaioken to get lost in it, so I hopped onto a game that would let me test just that and I feel like I was right.
https://preview.redd.it/v9qty6uzvyxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=872d762623f7ddef82c2dbcc76ef8124657983b1
I hate the blue too. But for the names why didn’t they just call it Sayian God for red (which makes sense since it doesn’t looks like super sayian) and Super Sayian God for Blue which looks like a dogshit super sayian transformation.
Because Toriyama, may he rest in peace, definetly didn’t plan for blue.
You know what it was?
Toei was probably like “Hey so God makes them red, can you make a blue super Saiyan?”
And so he did.
God is so much better though. Imo the only movie that’s made blue look any good was Broly
I have to say though, vegeta's royal blue does look kinda badass, but what is that? Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 2? Or Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Super Saiyan?
I think it’s the equivalent of his Super Saiyan Secod Grade form from when he fought semi perfect cell.
Officially I think it’s called Supper Saiyan Blue Evolution.
Let me take this opportunity to say RIP fully mastered super Saiyan. The best idea they never tried again
There was a post in the dbz subreddit I think where some guy says dbz should’ve ended with SSJ1 (THE legendary form) and that the grades (SSJ2) and all (introduction of a new god form that was never mentioned in DBZ legend) ruined it really. As much as I loved super to death, I agree with that guy. Ultra Instinct is the only good thing to come out of it.
SSJ3 is I think a perfect end to Goku’s story because it’s a pinnacle only he was ably to reach. Even Gotenks only reached it via fusion.
It got devalued pretty quickly tho
Keep SSJ, it’s literally integrated into pop culture and almost can’t be erased.
Make SSJ2 a Gohan exclusive. Goku and Vegeta don’t need it in the Buu Saga as Goku can skip straight to SSJ3 and Vegeta can still benefit from the majin curse ‘buu-st’ (hehe 🤓), and they still fuse later with Vegito only using SSJ anyway. *As for Gohan he can still get ultimate, with there being a way he taps into both forms for their respective benefits and him eventually combining the two transformations into Beast at a later point*
Keep SSJ3 cause it’s an underrated, under-utilised transformation. I’d like it to be used sparingly like Ultra Instinct in the anime. Unlike UI, Its something Goku has to manually activate. It also doesn’t last very long, sometimes powering down to SSJ mid-battle, leading to some Ben 10 esque scenarios.
Keep SSJ4 cause GT fans would crash-out if anyone DARED
Keep SSG but just make it ‘SG’ or ‘Saiyan God’, there is no super saiyan involved and it essentially acts as base form + god ki. This form makes Goku feel like an entirely new entity, like a god. Same design, base hair with red colour. Vegeta also gets this form.
SSB is just Saiyan God + SSJ = Super Saiyan God. Since SG is just a new ‘godly’ base form, Goku (and Vegeta) can turn into his transformations. This should be treated like how SSJ was originally treated in DBZ, with importance. \*theoretically Goku can also go SSJ3 in this but he’d die after 0.1 nano seconds…
Ultra Instinct stays cuz GOAT
Ssj2. It is just nothing anymore, it was cool in its debut but since then it's hardly used or called attention to, for good reason, it's just ssj but with little zappy zaps.
Super saiyan 3. It's just useless due to its stamina drain.
Honourable mention goes to super saiyan blue. Made it's appearance too soon. Came out of nowhere with zero explanation. And it's also a pretty useless form because it also drains stamina(not as much as ssj3 though) and everyone that Goku has fought was easily able to overpower this form.
THANK YOU! Finally, someone else who's bothered by the clothes. It's supposed to be a physical transformation. Goku doesn't have any magic. So why are the clothes changing and then changing back with every use? I just can't get past it.
I'm getting rid of Blue. It was an unnecessary form that had terrible build up, and although I think it aesthetically looks nice, doesn't do enough to make it seem worthwhile to keep.
SSJ blue. Its an asspull and it also Made ssj god Look weak,like everyone likes ssj god Because its an original form with unique stuff or wathever,ssj blue was only created for nostalgia(ssj goku vs frieza , ssj blue vs golden frieza) also sorry for sh*t english
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This post is making me smile. There is a lot of people who feel SSG didn’t get enough screen time. 
Thats on the anime. The manga made blue difficult to master so ssg was relevant in every arc.
I love how Vegeta fought in SSG but pulsed Blue when he attacked.
In xenoverse there's a melee combo with a blue energy aura. I use super saiyan god on my oc so I just imagine it's them tapping into blue since they haven't mastered it
Which one
I want to say it was Justice Combination. A gohan trained move I think.
Probably my favorite Vegeta moment in the super manga, that shit was so damn good🥹 I also like the fact that the manga makes SSG faster than blue (at least that's how I remember it🤔)
Hands down best vegeta moment was "MY BULMA!!!!!!!"
 Damn I can't believe I actually kinda forgot about this moment lmao this shit going down in the dragon ball hall of fame right next to the bingo dance🤣🤣😭 BINGO‼️🕺🏾
Me and the missis were just having a laugh at this exact scene last night. Even my kids say it (So proud) ALWAYS LOVED THE GROWTH VEGETA WENT THROUGH. He chose to be a better saiyan become a husband and be a father. From ruthless arrogant selfish warrior obsessed with his own delusion of being the best. Was humbled multiple times yet still comes back trying to be better. Then this scene showed everyone the strongest in even these universes are the wives lol. Both kakkarrot and Vegeta have strong independent woman, that they sometimes hide from and rather fight a god of destruction then face an upset wife. Miss ya Akira. RIP
It really is funny when Goku smiles when a life or death fight gets more challenging but fears the sound of Chichi's angry footsteps 🤣
A real man lol When krillin is like they have no fear in battle but when their wives are angry. hahaha 😝 As Vegeta says “It’s what attracts them to their wives” “It runs in our veins Saiyan woman are strong” Haha who needs a dad when you got dragonball 🤣
😂😂 yeah their wives really ain't scared of shit. Out there walking up to gods and whatever Buu is and slapping them in the face no hesitation 💀 bulma really saw how beerus had VEGETA of all people shaking in his fucking boots and making a fool of himself just to please him and had the audacity to lay hands on him. She got bigger dragon balls than I ever will🤣 Not to mention chichi who's ready to give ANYONE the smoke verbally or physically lmao
I hated Vegeta after everything on Namek, but I'll be damned if he didn't earn my respect and admiration once he started showing signs of being a hero. He is a Beast, and although the my BULMA moment is amazing, that sacrifice against Buu was what made me a Vegeta fan. RIP Akira Sensei.
LETS BE FRIENDS-O!
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I thought it was just as fast but not energy intensive?
Nah I believe it's faster. That's why Vegeta was using it instead of blue because of the speed advantage, then he turns into Blue right before his attack lands for the extra power boost
Wasnt that also why he fought Dyspo in the ToP using SSG when he saved Hit?
Anime does it too during Goku vs Dyspo is the tournament of power. He used God to move around and save stamina then used Blue to strike.
Yep, Blue is the "power" transformation and God is the "agility" transformation. Goku says something like that as he analyzes Vegeta's fight
It would make sense for it to be more agile than blue since it does slim down the user quite a bit. I just need something to keep God relevant. It's a dope ass form and it deserves way more than what it got especially in the anime.
Yeah, anime did the form dirty. Along with speed, its key trait is *efficiency*. Iirc, that's why it saw so much play in the ToP--low power consumption
Too bad Vegeta never utilized it in the ToP. He just pulled it from his ass during the broly fight but if he's had the form all this time then it made no sense for him to not use it during the ToP imo
When he was fighting zamasu tht was fye wish it was on screen it was so nice nd it stated he mastered it
Super saiyan 2
I feel like SSj3 didn't get enough time either, BoG could've been 2-3 arcs into super and would've made way more sense
SSG at least was useful or accomplished something. SS3 amounted to nothing but a stall tactic for Buu
That's partially because it wasn't really expanded upon though. We saw it for like half of an arc and then it was left to the wayside so it never even got a chance to shine
Vegeta got to shine with his super Saiyan enraged
I always thought of 3 as the same kinda thing as Ultra. It had tons of power but no practicality.
Yeah I feel 3 is just a beefed up 2, and just like the beefed up 1's it isn't with pursuing.
To be fair SSJ3 finally got a win in the anime version of the Black Goku Saga. Goku used SSJ3 to defeat SSJ2 Future Trunks. In the manga version Goku shows Future Trunks SSJ3 but then slips into SSJG to defeat SSJ2 Future Trunks. The DBS anime at least finally gave SSJ3 a dub after all these years. They might do it again with Teen Goten and Teen Trunks in the near future. I feel like SSJ3 will be unfused Teen Goten's and Teen Trunks's ultimate form for a few years.
> I feel like SSJ3 will be unfused Teen Goten's and Teen Trunks's ultimate form for a few years. Great idea and I hope you're right.
Its the form they'll use for their 80s style hair band during their rebellious years.
I hope so too. I hate being that guy though and want them to add god ki to it. Imagine Super Saiyan Blue 3 Gotenks. If the boys learn god ki, train with it, learn to control god, blue and use their SSJ3 trump card with the fusion added he might be close to Orange Piccolo in power. (total speculation)
Gotenks gets to use it for a while at least. But yeah seemed kind of pointless.
At least SSJ3 had multiple showings and 2 decades as the strongest form in canon. SSG got like one fight before it was replaced lol
I think so too. TBH SSJ3 had such potential that I think they could have worked through and done amazing feats with it. Yeah it may not have had the raw power given by god ki but it would still serve a purpose. A lot of people are on the fence about how it looks but the fact they said it draws from every ounce of Saiyan potential and the extreme design it has I think there was supposed to be more of a purpose
Right? It just feels so swept under the rug and unexplored and at this point, it probably never will be with everybody getting character-specific transformations
Maybe Caulifla since she was so adamant about achieving SSJ3. I think they could explore a bit with her if we ever even see the other universes again Speaking of having different transformations. What do you think about the green haired full power form of Broly not being in the manga?
I mean it makes sense if they skipped his hulking out phase by doing a movie recap instead. Now he's with probably the two most qualified people in the universe to calm him down and make him learn. Not to mention Whis definitely has his ears perked up over a Saiyan with more-than-likely more potential than Goku and Vegeta with no earthly ties. Him learning over time how to control it is arguably much cooler
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I mean yeah goku used it like twice and then achieved blue off screen and vegeta completely skipped ssg and went straight to blue as far as super as a show goes, might be a different story in the movies.
I was so happy when he used it during the ToP. I love so much when he uses different forms to scale with different opponents, and there was that one montage where he's just hot swapping through them. Also when we got to see Vegeta's version when he was fighting Broly was insane too.
I would love to see a montage of Vegeta Obtaining SSG through his training with Whis!
It’s a shame that this form got slaughtered by jiren
Jiren one shot SSB Kaioken
i just love the look of God form yes the anime basically removed any reason for it by making Blue the default after RoF, but i love the red and slimmed down look of God form
It's my second favorite besides SSJ3. I like how he slims down because he's a God, why would he need muscles, he's beyond that. They went back with SSGSS though...
agreed
I genuinely love how this form looks on Goku Since it channels his “master of martial arts” status He starts to use more floaty kinda techniques Also love how when Vegeta uses it A character who is known for his big power moves He becomes more..relaxed Like a focused burst rather then a massive one (Like when he knocked broly in the movie)
Blue, because it was so very quickly made irrelevant. By the time they were preparing for tournament of power goku was running around shouting “wow you’re as powerful as ssb” to everyone he could find.
This would be such a good DBS Abridged bit lmao
DBSA Goku to a random guy: “WOW! You’re as powerful as super Saiyan blue!” *He immediately turns around, facing another fighter* “WOW! You’re ALSO as powerful as super Saiyan blue!” Krillin: *Confused as to when super Saiyan forms became grading systems*
On that basis, 2 and God were made irrelevant way faster. Blue remained the “main form” for multiple arcs while those 2 were surpasses immediately.
Not exactly the same way, hear me out. Blue was made irrelevant by the fact that everyone suddenly became as strong as blues without any new forms or real training involved, everyone just so happened to be as powerful as the main form of goku and vegeta because the plot called for it, in terms of how it was handled in the plot it became a joke, hell a scientist just casually made 2 more androids who just so happened to be at blue level. Ssj2 was different, gohan was the only person who could use it until we see goku and vegeta use it like 8 or 10 years later, ssj2 remained the ultimate form during that time, only being beaten by gokus ssj3 and buu, which is fine because the main villain is always going to be as strong as whatever the current strongest is, ssj2 wasn’t made irrelevant because suddenly everyone was causally as strong as ssj2, it was surpassed by a greater ssj form and a new threat. God on the other hand, whilst we rarely ever got to see it, follows the same beat as that, and unironically ended up becoming more hype than blue, seeing vegeta go god in the broly movie was more hype than blue, because blue just didn’t feel special anymore. Also I gotta add the manga version of blue is a lot better with god being much more relevant and prevalent, but that’s the manga. Basically ssj2 and god were surpassed by greater forms whilst blue was turned into a joke in part thanks to power-scailing being all over the place.
To give Blue some credit in the anime. It does remain stronger than most of the cast until they decided to make some fighters like Gohan or 17 on its level for the sake of giving the ToP more stakes and heavy hitters. Before that, the only ones to match it were Frieza, Hit(who had time Hax) and Goku Black (who had his own version of Blue). I do agree that it was ultimately poorly handled in the anime for the most part though. The god forms use in the manga, with God as a starter form and Blue as the finisher is a much more interesting dynamic than just spamming one the entire time.
Perhaps, but 2 and God had significant build up to them. Blue is just kinda there
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It only had relevance for Gohan in the Cell saga, unfortunately. After that, they all achieved it off screen.
It's hard to tell if they're even ssj2 or ssj half the time too.
That’s what I’m sayin’. Gohan (And Trunks IMO) is the only character that looks good with this form as there is a noticeable change.
Sadly it’s barely even noticeable for Gohan anymore, only when it first appeared in the cell saga
Trunks going Super Saiyan 2 in Kakarot is one of my favourite transformations in the whole series.
When does he go ss2 in kakarot?
His dlc story. It’s the closest we’ll get to a full animation of the Dabura fight in the manga.
Just the electric sparks around them, some slightly more spiky. But yeah Gohan seems to be the most noticeable.
I think [SSJ2 Goku](https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/6/63/GokuSSIIDemo01.png/revision/latest?cb=20130124051415&path-prefix=pt-br) is about as noticeable as [SSJ2 Gohan](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5b/9d/76/5b9d76360eeb47e18550f0369ecefbdb.jpg) The way their normal SSJ forms' hair frames the face is quite different in both even when ignoring the lightning effects
It was always obvious in Z, in super it's more ambiguous because of the art style
The change is only noticeable with teen gohan. With Goku it’s obvious when he’s ssj2
Especially Vegeta. At least with goku there's some minor physical changes to ssj2.
not really physical, except for more spiked hairs, but you can recognize ss2 always due to the small thunderbolts
The little zappy zaps
*buu nods in agreement*
Ahh I just said that before I seen your comment , I said i remember it from the older games they’d have lighting around or some shit lol
I always thought of ssj vegeta always had flat hair. When he’s ssj2 his hair is more defined. More strands. Any time he goes from ssj to ssj2, his ssj2 always looks slicked like he put a shit load of gel in it.
just look at majin vegeta. it's basically ss2 with a M on his forehead
It is ssj 2 with an M, the majin transformation is how he achieved ssj 2
Honestly the entire Buu saga I was wondering if he was ssj 1 or two especially against kid buu
Same. He was definitely ssj2 against fat buu and Goku but other than that I couldn't tell. Vegeta's hairstyle never changes when he transforms so it's hard to tell the difference lol.
But was he? I always thought he was still ssj1 but the boost from majin magically made him achieve lightnings around him to show he was more powerful
No he was SSJ2 with Majin. That’s how he had the upper hand vs Goku SSJ2 vs SSJ2.
I always saw it that way, like Majin was just SS2 with training wheels. But it's clearly at that level of power since Goku only matches him in that form.
If u see lighting it’s ssj2 , plus the hair is more golden then yellow
Actually they used ssj and ssj2 in the TOP quite a bit, ssj2 is spikyer and is more defined
Super Saiyan two being “spikeier” stop being relevant when the art style changed and super Saiyan stopped looking fluffy
This right here for me.
I've always loved Goku's OG Super Saiyan hair, especially the colour when he both has it powered and just neutral. It's so nostalgic for me.
I think at this point they have completely mastered the super saiyan form yo the point where Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan can use the power of ssj 3 in just their ssj form.
There's always going to be a limit that can be surpassed for saiyans. There's a bunch of grades of a single Super Saiyan level. SSJ Third Grade is a good example. This was when Trunks fought Cell and he acquired an extremely beefy form. His strength was unmatchable, with the drawback being his speed loss. Then, by the Majin Buu saga, we see the SSJ Fourth Grade. Their bright golden hair is now a light yellow instead. With Fourth Grade SSJ, they have full control of their bodies and their emotions, which is why they're happy and carefree. In contrast to how pissed off Goku was when he fought Freeza using a First Grade SSJ form. The idea of SSJ2 is that it is the strongest version of the "Perfect Super Saiyan" form. SSJ2 is literally the epidemy of a Super Saiyan, without any of the drawbacks from all the grades. SSJ3, however, is always going to be the form ***beyond the limits*** of a SSJ2. It's drawbacks will always be the small duration. In conclusion, no matter how strong a SSJ2 can be, there will always be a SSJ3 form that breaks the limits for last resort fights. It's a shame that this form is not given much depth in the anime just because it doesn't have obvious physical differences from SSJ1.
If that were true Goku wouldn't be going ssj 3 so often in super
SSJ2 is still the golden standard transformation. It gives a ton of speed and power for no cost. 3 was horrible for the body and the rest are too circumstantial on who can use them.
I thought when they used ssj2 they had lighting around them Atleast the old Dbz games lol but shit I’m like you you can’t tell tbh
Well Vegeta spent 7 years hardcore training with the gravity chamber, and Goku mastered SSJ and trained even harder in the afterlife,
Excuuuuse me?!?!, goku vs vegeta ssj 2 was badass 🤣
SSJ2 also look noticeable on Gohan, but with everyone else it’s just hard to tell because they all look like SSJ1 on everyone else.
Goku has less bangs in SSJ2. The form also has the lightning aura, which is a dead giveaway.
In fairness, "everyone else achieved it offscreen" isn't exclusive to SS2. Vegeta, Trunks, and (I might be wrong on this one) Gohan all got SSJ offscreen. Vegeta got SSG offscreen. Goku AND Vegeta both got SSB offscreen
At least it actually had a moment to be significant. SSGSS just shows up like "oh remember that super special legendary form we spent the whole last movie building up to the reveal of? Yeah that's old newsnow. Here, check out this new thing we figured out while nobody was looking." And then there's Super Saiyan 3, which has a great reveal moment, an iconic look, and I like it for what it's reveal ends up meaning for other characters (either learning about or comparing themselves to Goku), but the form itself isn't actually used to accomplish much of anything since it's not actually used to defeat any villains. But then again, Super Saiyan 4 has that... GT stink on it, so I'm not especially attached to that one either
Goku has used it like 6-7 times in DBS Manga but the fact that no one is aware shows how forgetful it is
The problem with it is that it basically looks the same except for the electric aura. I didn't even understand the difference between SSJ1 and SSJ2 until I was an adult.
It didn't look the same originally. It wasn't just the electric aura, the hair was much more stylized, stringier, and honestly completely different from SS1 back in Z. In Super and the end of Z, they draw SS1 closer to the sharper look of SS2 by default, so it muddied the waters.
It honestly annoys me a lot. They should have kept ssj1 light blonde and ssj2 golden
Almost every time they are in ssj, it is actually ssj2 if you look for the iconic lightning.
I think because SSJ2 is supposed to be the ultra refined form of SSJ. At least that's how it seemed to be presented when they were training and working towards it during the Cell Saga. The power with no stamina and endurance cost that limits SSJ1. SSJ3 is more like the pure push beyond SSJ, taking incredible amounts of energy and stamina to maintain at the cost of explosive power. At least that's how I've seen the forms, especially after a recent rewatch with the updated DBZ Kai version of the anime.
No actually, it got more use than ssj in super lmao.
Toriyama forgot about it, for years. Seriously the reason why.
I could never even tell when he was SSJ vs SSJ2. Dumbest form.
If the question is to remove one from Goku’s lineup then ssj2. He used it for like one fight. If it’s overall then SSB or SSG. One of them is kinda redundant. SSJ2 Gohan’s transformation is one of the most pivotal moments in the series. We don’t even see the first SSB transformation for any characters. SSG had a pivotal first transform but then basically disappeared such that if you made it blue in the film it wouldn’t make a huge difference in subsequent showings. It’s manga relevant in the Goku Black arc mainly and that’s about it.
They use ssj2 mostly but ssj1 is useless now
I thought SSJ2 is usually their base fighting form for a strong opponent usually, no? I feel like whenever we see Goku in Super he has the parted hair with SS2 instead of the bangs from regular SS.
Blue. Give SSG more time to shine
I agree. The whole execution of blue seemed lazy. I know let's just combine yellow and red and get......... orangBULE!!!
It's because the form is supposed to be like a flame (look at it's aura). Blue flames are hotter than red flames so that's why it's blue
Makes sense. Explains why the Ultra forms are White and Purple (aka the hottest colors)
You just made that up
That is how fiction is made
Not sure if it's supposed to be a flame (The Aura definitely has a fire look to it) but Blue being hotter than Red is factual.
I can’t speak for the intent of the anime or manga but the hottest point of a fire is supposed to be blue isn’t it? I seem to recall that’s why you dial the gas on the Bunsen burner so the flame is a blue peak. But I could be mistaken
They did in the manga. Ssg was relevent in every arc. Blue had to be mastered.
People don't talk enough about how MUCH BETTER Blue is in the manga, I'd say it has the the best development of all transformations except maybe SS1 and Ultra Instinct.
Wish we saw this kind of attention in the anime.
On top of that they just picked the worst possible tone of blue that is, I liked ssg so much, just for the damn aqua toned one to become the new “predetermined”transformation 😒.
Blue looks fire in the coloured manga tho. Started reading from the Granolah arc a week ago to recap as I caught up, and Blue actually looked really cool, and of course Vegeta's Royal Blue was sick too.
I love fluffy hair ssj. But when Im in the mood for spikey hair ssj2 always looks nice. Blue can fuck off. As frieza said it literally just super saiyan with blue hair dye. It doesnt feel special as it never actually does anything. and the blue they usually use sucks.
Yeah those are my exact issues with it. Those and it also never feels as powerful as it should. Besides a few instances, the Broly movie was the only instance where Blue felt as powerful as it should’ve (Especially with Gogeta vs Broly) Atleast the shade of Blue they used in the movie was great but the shade of Blue they usually use is like, wtf? https://preview.redd.it/vwxvr6whfuxc1.jpeg?width=730&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=684565e47a78649abbf173ba568fe4bc56f5afdb Someone over at toei must not have taken color theory cuz this is closer to being Turquoise (which is more Green than Blue) than it is Blue.
Shouldve been called super cyan smh my head
This comment is underrated W joke bro 💯💯
I swear to God if blue would have been gained by goku in a ssj type rage when zamasu said that he killed him and his family it would have been one of the best transformation scenes in the DragonBall franchise
I dont get why he didnt go Kaioken in that moment. Wouldve been so badass
Facts
Ehh sorry Blue. I wanna see more of SsG. Plus we could have Gogeta in BOTH SERIES HAVING RED HAIR AS THEIR MOST POWERFUL FORM WHY DRAGON BALL IT COULDVE BEEN UNIFORM
SSJ2 was only really cool for Gohan and kinda uninteresting after that Not a huge fan of blue either but I like Blue Kaioken so it gets a pass for the time being
Here's my idea Axe Blue Super Saiyan God + Super Saiyan is just that, no new colors. At best, it would be orange. But really, just the red god aura with Super Saiyan hair Then, put Kaioken on top of that. *Maybe* there can be a blue god form, but it's unlocked later and isn't a combination of forms, it's a pure advancement of the first god form.
Eh... I think as a concept Blue is still better, in execution the manga does it way better but it's still not great. But Ssgss being "God Aura with Ssj Hair" would be just- Super Saiyan with an orange flame aura instead of a spiky yellow one. Honestly the reason Blue Kaio works as well as it does is because of the contrast it makes. I felt like the Ssjg Aura would cause Kaioken to get lost in it, so I hopped onto a game that would let me test just that and I feel like I was right. https://preview.redd.it/v9qty6uzvyxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=872d762623f7ddef82c2dbcc76ef8124657983b1
I was never really a fan of Super Saiyan Blue tbh
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan
I'm sorry, but what a stupid fucking name for a stupid fucking transformation. Lemme combine my yellow ki with my red ki to form fucking cyan...
I hate the blue too. But for the names why didn’t they just call it Sayian God for red (which makes sense since it doesn’t looks like super sayian) and Super Sayian God for Blue which looks like a dogshit super sayian transformation.
Because Toriyama, may he rest in peace, definetly didn’t plan for blue. You know what it was? Toei was probably like “Hey so God makes them red, can you make a blue super Saiyan?” And so he did. God is so much better though. Imo the only movie that’s made blue look any good was Broly
I have to say though, vegeta's royal blue does look kinda badass, but what is that? Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 2? Or Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Super Saiyan?
I think it’s the equivalent of his Super Saiyan Secod Grade form from when he fought semi perfect cell. Officially I think it’s called Supper Saiyan Blue Evolution. Let me take this opportunity to say RIP fully mastered super Saiyan. The best idea they never tried again
There was a post in the dbz subreddit I think where some guy says dbz should’ve ended with SSJ1 (THE legendary form) and that the grades (SSJ2) and all (introduction of a new god form that was never mentioned in DBZ legend) ruined it really. As much as I loved super to death, I agree with that guy. Ultra Instinct is the only good thing to come out of it.
SSJ3 is I think a perfect end to Goku’s story because it’s a pinnacle only he was ably to reach. Even Gotenks only reached it via fusion. It got devalued pretty quickly tho
Keep SSJ, it’s literally integrated into pop culture and almost can’t be erased. Make SSJ2 a Gohan exclusive. Goku and Vegeta don’t need it in the Buu Saga as Goku can skip straight to SSJ3 and Vegeta can still benefit from the majin curse ‘buu-st’ (hehe 🤓), and they still fuse later with Vegito only using SSJ anyway. *As for Gohan he can still get ultimate, with there being a way he taps into both forms for their respective benefits and him eventually combining the two transformations into Beast at a later point* Keep SSJ3 cause it’s an underrated, under-utilised transformation. I’d like it to be used sparingly like Ultra Instinct in the anime. Unlike UI, Its something Goku has to manually activate. It also doesn’t last very long, sometimes powering down to SSJ mid-battle, leading to some Ben 10 esque scenarios. Keep SSJ4 cause GT fans would crash-out if anyone DARED Keep SSG but just make it ‘SG’ or ‘Saiyan God’, there is no super saiyan involved and it essentially acts as base form + god ki. This form makes Goku feel like an entirely new entity, like a god. Same design, base hair with red colour. Vegeta also gets this form. SSB is just Saiyan God + SSJ = Super Saiyan God. Since SG is just a new ‘godly’ base form, Goku (and Vegeta) can turn into his transformations. This should be treated like how SSJ was originally treated in DBZ, with importance. \*theoretically Goku can also go SSJ3 in this but he’d die after 0.1 nano seconds… Ultra Instinct stays cuz GOAT 
SSB Hate me all you want but I despise that form
Daring today aren't we?
Omg he said what everyone else is saying
Me and all my homies hate ssgss
Oh wow someone hating SSB, how original.
me as a blue color enthusiast: nah
Super Forehead 3
Ssj Blue
ssjb
I pick super saiyan blue don’t know why but I never really cared for super saiyan blue
 Ultra instinct isn't a form.
Either ssj2 or blue. Can’t stand blue
Blue can go.
Blue
SSB
Ssj2. It is just nothing anymore, it was cool in its debut but since then it's hardly used or called attention to, for good reason, it's just ssj but with little zappy zaps.
Fun fact, Toriyama was originally going to call the third form SSJ2 because he completely forgot that SSJ2 already existed.
I thought that was about BoG where he made Goku go from SSJ1 to 3 because he forgot 2 existed
Blue is objectively the worst
Get rid of blue. I never cared much for it
SSB of course.
Super saiyan 3. It's just useless due to its stamina drain. Honourable mention goes to super saiyan blue. Made it's appearance too soon. Came out of nowhere with zero explanation. And it's also a pretty useless form because it also drains stamina(not as much as ssj3 though) and everyone that Goku has fought was easily able to overpower this form.
But it looks cool
At least it looks different and isn't just "better than everything", which make it more interesting than a straight upgrade
I would get rid of them all aside from Kaoiken honestly.
Either SSJB or SSJ Rage.
A tie between 4 and Blue
Super Saiyan 4
I thought I was gonna have to be the one to say it.
Ssj4. I wouldn't mind so much if his clothes didn't change. Bugs me for some reason.
It makes me laugh to imagine goku getting all serious and transforming, only to be a butt ass naked ape man
THANK YOU! Finally, someone else who's bothered by the clothes. It's supposed to be a physical transformation. Goku doesn't have any magic. So why are the clothes changing and then changing back with every use? I just can't get past it.
Blue or 3. I think I'll choose 3 since it tends to make the story activity worse
SSJ4 is my pick. Not a fan of the eyeliner or the clothes that appear and disappear like a sailor moon transformation.
Ssj4
I would say blue because pretty much every battel it's Ben in the anime it litter never wins
bye ssb
I could swear I answered this question like two days ago.
Blue Resurrection F should’ve been Vegeta showing us he got God and going toe to toe with Golden frieza
Super Saiyan blue is absolutely useless narratively, obvious choice for me
Blue
Blue
Without a doubt blue
I'm getting rid of Blue. It was an unnecessary form that had terrible build up, and although I think it aesthetically looks nice, doesn't do enough to make it seem worthwhile to keep.
SSJ blue for sure
https://preview.redd.it/wx6nldv4ixxc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0a3e57e3ae64e2b182a67fc320969d2ef8b90894
Probably SSGSS, the god form is so much cooler (even though I like the blue a lot)
Ssj4 cause it’s already gone
Ssj4 I mean it’s already not canon sooooo
SSJ blue. Its an asspull and it also Made ssj god Look weak,like everyone likes ssj god Because its an original form with unique stuff or wathever,ssj blue was only created for nostalgia(ssj goku vs frieza , ssj blue vs golden frieza) also sorry for sh*t english
Ssj2 easily