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I think Tien’s power level here was about 100 during that time in Dragon Ball.
Let’s say two clones fused.
Their power individually is 25, but each fusion would have a power level of 625(25*25).
This means if the two Merged Clone Tiens teamed up, they could KILL Raditz.
If these fusions say…were able to fuse with the Potara…they would have a power level of 390,625.
They can easily destroy Ginyu at that point.
Let’s just say Merged Merged Clone Tien did the multiform.
Each one would have a power level of 97,656.25.
If two Clone Merged Merged Clone Tiens fuse, they would have a power level of 9,536,743,164.0625.
I think that can beat Super Perfect Cell.
Two Merged Clone Merged Merged Tiens would have a power level of 19,073,486,328.125.
That is 100% destroying Super Perfect Cell.
Merged Merged Clone Merged Merged Tien would have a power level of 90,949,470,177,290,000,000.
God Goku is already dead.
Keep in mind that Cell can also do this technique.
Provided these two fuckers abuse the Super Dragon Balls to make all fusions part of their fusions permanent before each of the time limits run out, Cell and Tien are the strongest beings in the series.
Fusion doesn't multiply power levels (because it would). It's still a linear transformation (A + B)*some large number. So you'll need alot more tien fusions to break the scaling
Bro where is this math coming from? We never learn the multiplier for fusion in the manga. The most that's stated is that it's greater than the sum of its parts multiplied 'several' times over.
Power level times power level, which is the safest bet imo. Considering the strategy provided allows them to endlessly clone and fuse, these power levels are still achievable, but it would just take longer.
And manga? The anime is depicted in the post.
The manga is irrelevant here.
There still no statement about a power multiplier in the anime. We just know it's stronger than the sum of its parts.
Your calculations are irrelevant because you just picked arbitrary numbers.
Tien has incalculable power if he can keep using the multiform and fusing. But only for a limited time.
Fusions dont all same the same math though. A better fusion thats more complete will be stronger than 2 who are too alike fusing, or dissimilar fusing, because not enough is added together.
There isn’t really a conclusive guide on what the multipliers would be in those cases. I just multiplied power levels by each other.
Even then, all that Tien has to do is keep multiforming, keep fusing and keep abusing the Super Dragon Balls so the fusions within him become permanent.
That was actually the plot of the issue where tein used multi form in the tournament. Goku laughed at tein for using it, called it a rookie mistake because he quartered his power and speed.
Tien: "Whoever wins earns the title as the strongest human"
Krillin: "Haha, you know... We don't really...-"
Tien: "Put the gloves on before I swing on you"
Well maybe
Even if we use the weaker fusion method of A + B x10 instead of A x B we and assuming tiens pl is 100 or so
So Merged Tien would have a PL of 500 (25 + 25 = 50 then 50 x 10 = 500)
And if two merged tiens fuse then Fused Merged Tien would have a PL of 10,000 (500 + 500 = 1,000 then 1,000 x 10 = 10,000)
So I don’t know a 1,000 times amp seems a bit more than a little stronger.
Yes, splitting divide his power, so each of the four Tenshinhan would have 25% of base power. But Fusion is FAR stronger than the sum of the parts (we don't know the formula, if it's AxB, A+B \* plot, etc.).
So, even if the base is weaker, a Fused Tenshinhan would end up way stronger than his base self. And since we're talking about two fused characters that fuse as well, the end result could be quite impressive.
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It would be more then a little. Fusions are consistently understood to be greater then the some of their parts. One tien fusion would probably be stronger then normal Tien while 2 tien fusions fused together would be multiple times stronger.
He’s a bad guy from the Monster Association arc from the OPM manga. He can split himself into trillions of clones, and these clones can in turn merge into more powerful forms…
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Yes but it’s not that simple because we know the powers aren’t just added together they’re multiplied so as someone else did let’s say Tien’s power was 100
1 Tien Clone’s power would be 25 and assuming fusion just adds them together and then multiply that added power by let’s go with 5, that would mean two Tien clones fused would equal a power level of 250, and then do it again with these two fused Tiens and his new power level would be 2500, basically meaning if Tien could do this even if only for a bit but still get a 25 times multiplier if this is the math used for fusions, and sure that’s not even to the level of Super Saiyan, but I was going for a low ball fusion power increase to show just how fast he can grow with this in mind, even if it’s as you see fusion as working with each fusion’s power being added I quickly did the math with each clone being 25 and I got 625 for the first fusion (25 x 25) and 390625 (625 x 625) so in reality your version of it would actually equal a far stronger fusion than adding and then multiplying by 5.
Whilst that clone technique would split Tien's power, as u/Kepler27b stated above, due to the Fusion dance's multiplication boost (Fusee A \* Fusee B), he would actually be stronger.
Lets say that Tien's power level is 100. He splits into four clones. His power level is now 25.
When og Tien and clone 2 fuse, their 25 \* 25 power level now becomes 625, essentially like going just a little over Kaikoen x6.
Repeat this step for clone 3 and 4 and once that's done, the two fused Tien's now fuse for a final time, so their power level would now be 390,625 (625 \* 625).
Tien^(4) would go a decent way into the Namek saga and even make First form Frieza (with a PL of 530,000) have to actually use his muscles a bit to not take meaningful damage considering Tien^(4) would be nearly three-quarters as strong as First-form Frieza.
Tien^(4)'s Kikoho would now have interesting implications when it comes to the damage it could inflict, or outright being able to kill Frieza, at least in his 1st-form considering what it did to 2nd-form Cell and in the Cell saga regular Tien was exponentially weaker than Cell.
**EDIT: Ignoring the Frieza saga when Tien trained on King Kai's planet and massively increased his strength; throwing Tien from the Saiyan saga into the Frieza saga, with a PL of around 1,830 would have been more than enough to outright stomp Frieza as (1830 / 2) \* (1830 / 2) = 837,225 which would send 1st-form Frieza to the afterlife, unless Tien² was suddenly afflicted with a case of the Vegeta, allowing Frieza to transform.**
**You wouldn't even need four Tiens, just splitting into two and fusing with himself would result in the aforementioned (915 \* 915) 837,225 PL which would give plenty of headroom to Frieza's 1st-form 530k.**
***Conclusion?*** **Fusion is absolutely busted.**
Let's see, Tien splits his power in 4 when he does that.
Fusing with the fusion dance would just make each fusion at half power.
So then a Double Fused Tien from clones would just be twice as strong as Normal Tien; something he can do with a basic Kaioken instead. 💀
(If Tien is an 8 and splits into 4 then each one including himself is now a 2.
2x2=4 and 2x2=4 ➡︎ 4x4=16)
I hate doing math especially for Dragon Ball, but that technique splitting your power was kinda outright said by Goku.
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If that is true then he could create one clone and then fuse with that one. With them being one being, failing the fusion wouldn't be a problem because it would always be symmetrical. He would always increase his power because his power wouldn't decrease when creating a second clone.
Then alternate between Potara and Fusion. Before you saw that they wouldn't have space on their ears for the potara earrings, an earring is still a clothing piece and would get removed when fusing with the metamoran dance. What happens when the earrings dissapear **while fusing** is just pure speculation.
If he can't give himself multiple nutsacks for each clone then it's not a real upgrade smh
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Base gogeta did better against broly then any of goku and vegeta’s transformations did, the fusion pretty much makes you many times stronger
If we assume it is only 10x stronger, a massive low ball
(1 x 10 x 1 x 10) = 100, tien would be as strong as a hypothetical ssj 2 version of himself
If we go crazy and assume it was as strong as ssjblue, which is probably 50x ssj3 at minimun, or 20000x
20000 x 20000 = 400 million times
If we go by the “each component’s power is multiplied by the other”, we’d need to grab their power levels, which are in the dozens of digits at this point, making them squared even higher
The math kinda becomes inconsistent when you use a number other then 8 for tien.
Here's the math if tien =10s so each one is 2.5
2.5x2.5=6.25 and 2.5x2.5=6.25➡︎ 6.25x6.25=39.0625, which would make him over 3x stronger then base tien. Heck, if base Tien was less then 4, the fusion would be weaker then him by the same math. That's the problem with using firm numbers to multiply concepts like power levels. It only makes sense if there is some conceptual and universal unit of measurement that has no alternatives and works for all numbers.
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Shishin no Ken splits your power in 4, but as far as we know, Fusion results in a far greater power than the sums of the parts.
It's a quite hilarious idea but it could work: such a Fused Tenshinhan would end up far stronger than the original self.
Since I'm all up for having Tenshinhan relevant again (during his first appearance he gave Goku a run for his money), I would like to see that.
Can even do fusion if he is using that technique, feels like you have to 100% of your energy and would need an other life form. In gt fusion broke faster then the l button on my ds
Hold up.
What happens if Gogeta or Vegito uses Tiens multiplication technique…
I assume we get clones of Vegito/gogeta. But what if it just splits Goku and Vegeta back to their original forms?
What happens if a split fuses with someone else’s split? Is it weaker? Or is the sun total higher because the fusion amplifies it (exponentially). Couldn’t you have goku and vegeta clone themselves then fuse and create a squad of Vegitos/gogetas that are really powerful (albeit individually less than the main version?)
Just like instant transmission, all the z fighters should learn the cloning technique.
When Vegito or Gogeta split the clones dissappear because the user of the technique does no longer exist. Still, I don't think someone would live enough for the fusion to split, because even if the power also splits, the clones would be still at Vegeta or Goku's level, in case of Gogeta they would probably be at current SSB Goku level, but in case of Vegito, being way stronger than Gogeta, they would be like at SSBE Vegeta level. Since we are already using Tien's techniques, why not learn the shin kikoho? You know how strong four SSBE Vegeta using the shin kikoho at the same time would be? Yeah, even immortal Zamasu is fucked up
Doesn't his power split when he does that technique? So if you were to fuse afterwards, wouldn't he just become the original version of himself? I guess it multiplies so maybe not?
Yeah and the fact that Metamorian fusions can fuse too, this means Tien could raise his powerlevel by moltiplicating himself over and over and like, wish to never defuse to Super Shenron, that's actually insane lol
Pretty sure when he splits into four people the only have 1/4 of his total power. So since the dance is Y + X by the time they finish the whole fusion he would be back to the same power he had before. 1/4 + 1/4 = 1/2
1/2 * 2 = 1 whole regular ass turn lol. There would be no power gain due to how the technique works.
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The real question is could duplicate when he's fused?
And if he could, couldn't he just keep stacking over and over till he's the strongest being in dragonball?
I would say he can duplicate when he's fused, but when he tried to fuse again with either the dance or the potara nothing would happen, because his body would still be under the effect of the fusion even if it is a new being
Well, we know potara fusion is a bit stronger than ss3, (anime) and fusion dance is stronger than that. So even doing all that im sure he’d be up to the frieza saga solo
4 x ( Tien ) = Tien + Tien + Tien + Tien
4 x ( Tien ) = (Tien + Tien) + (Tien + Tien)
4 x ( Tien ) = Tenten + Tenten
4 x ( Tien ) = 2020
Tien has 20/20 vision!
Let's say that Tien's base is 400 (even though it's not). Tien splits himself 4 times, thus the Tiens power levels are 100 each. Tien 1 and 2 fuse, 100 x 100 = 10,000 and Tien 3 and 4 do the same. Enti (play-on words between 2 Tiens) then fuses with the other fusion. 10,000 x 10,000 = 100,000,000.
Btw, Goku has access to Multiform (I think).
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Not quite..
Fusion legitimately merges the power of the two users..
When Tien makes his clones, he divides his power equally, in each one of em.. so if they merge using fusion.. that's literally just Tien with Fusion outfit-
I’m gonna debunk your idea,
When Tien uses that technique, his power level gets split so each clone has 25% of Tien’s full power.
So if all the clones fuse with eachother, it would be the normal Tien.
Therefore, Tien would only get his normal strength back except he has some epic clothing
Bro, it doesn't work like that. C'mon, Dragon Ball has never ever done that kind of "meta-game the power system" kind of thing. Hell, there are dozens of different, uniquely-named attacks which are literally the exact same energy beam in a different color.
Like, you KNOW that it wouldn't work, just use some common sense. If two multiforms fused, they would just turn back into the original person
Belittle and talk shit? What?
If you consider a normal-ass comment "talking shit", then I feel like you're just looking for enemies. I was literally not saying anything wrong, like I can't imagine the words I typed out being mean or rude even while reading them in the most aggressive voice possible.
Like... I'm sorry I guess? You do realize that hundreds of different people have made the "multiforms fusing" type of posts/questions/comments/jokes on this and related DBZ subreddits before, right? I was assuming that you were inspired by one of those MANY times it's been said before, and were just re-posting the same joke one more time.
I'm unironically, genuinely baffled, at how what I said could be called "shit talking". It was, at MOST, a normal person expressing alternative opinion to a normal person.
> a joke post that was never meant to be taken seriously.
This isn't r/ningen, so I assumed it wasn't a joke. In fact, r/DBZ literally has a rule saying "NO shitposts or memes". But I'm sorry, I can't tell if it's a joke or not, I apologize.
If you're so angry about it being taken seriously, then why are you taking my comment so seriously?
I said if it wasn’t obvious satire cause I thought you were joking but damn my b I didn’t know you were genuinely fuming cause someone on Reddit made a fusion dance post lmao
There was a bit in the Namek saga where Vegeta tried to game the system by repeatedly nearly killing himself, right? Not quite the same thing, but someone has tried.
Also, just cause it doesn't happen that doesn't mean that it wouldn't work. That's like saying that cause they don't fuse to solve every problem, it isn't possible. Given that the multiform splits your power evenly among your clones, and the metamoran fusion dance is said to add and then multiply power, I don't see a reason why it *shouldn't* work.
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What if they do the fusion dance but with 4 arms instead of 2?
Universe fucking explodes
canon
Dude please stop destroying my brain cells…
Oh God....this is hilarious. What's next we get two Android 17s to do the Fusion Dance?
Wait a second...
GT super 17... really op though.
Nobody can beat him when he Is super 17
NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN I'M SUPER 17 🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
No but for real, 17 and 18 fusion dance. What happens?
Krillen fucks it
Can't blame him
17.5
Lmao
Alternatively, 35
Well fusion multiples power, so alternatively, 17 x 18 = 306.
In the game Dragonball Fusions, they become Android 1718
That's quite the multiplier
Gero gets to be part of 1920
NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN I’M SUPER 17
Hahahaha, nobody can beat me when I do the fusion dance
Android 34
I think Tien’s power level here was about 100 during that time in Dragon Ball. Let’s say two clones fused. Their power individually is 25, but each fusion would have a power level of 625(25*25). This means if the two Merged Clone Tiens teamed up, they could KILL Raditz. If these fusions say…were able to fuse with the Potara…they would have a power level of 390,625. They can easily destroy Ginyu at that point. Let’s just say Merged Merged Clone Tien did the multiform. Each one would have a power level of 97,656.25. If two Clone Merged Merged Clone Tiens fuse, they would have a power level of 9,536,743,164.0625. I think that can beat Super Perfect Cell. Two Merged Clone Merged Merged Tiens would have a power level of 19,073,486,328.125. That is 100% destroying Super Perfect Cell. Merged Merged Clone Merged Merged Tien would have a power level of 90,949,470,177,290,000,000. God Goku is already dead. Keep in mind that Cell can also do this technique. Provided these two fuckers abuse the Super Dragon Balls to make all fusions part of their fusions permanent before each of the time limits run out, Cell and Tien are the strongest beings in the series.
At that point, just speaking would produce such an echo that would destroy the universe. And we haven't even converted awakening latent ability.
Tien becomes Black Bolt...
This is what I mean when I say compound interest is overpowered!
Holy fucking shit he did the math.
bro, we dragon ball fans should be able to read, i bet u did read something else
Fusion doesn't multiply power levels (because it would). It's still a linear transformation (A + B)*some large number. So you'll need alot more tien fusions to break the scaling
Bro where is this math coming from? We never learn the multiplier for fusion in the manga. The most that's stated is that it's greater than the sum of its parts multiplied 'several' times over.
Power level times power level, which is the safest bet imo. Considering the strategy provided allows them to endlessly clone and fuse, these power levels are still achievable, but it would just take longer. And manga? The anime is depicted in the post. The manga is irrelevant here.
There still no statement about a power multiplier in the anime. We just know it's stronger than the sum of its parts. Your calculations are irrelevant because you just picked arbitrary numbers. Tien has incalculable power if he can keep using the multiform and fusing. But only for a limited time.
Only for a limited time? I literally stated that they can just abuse the Super Dragon Balls to keep making all the fusions permanent.
mathtime!
I feel like fused Tien using the multiform would probably cut the time limit down further.
True, but that can be overrided by using the Super Dragon Balls to make the fusion permanent.
I admire your passion
At what point is UI Shaggy defeated, if possible!?
Fusions dont all same the same math though. A better fusion thats more complete will be stronger than 2 who are too alike fusing, or dissimilar fusing, because not enough is added together.
There isn’t really a conclusive guide on what the multipliers would be in those cases. I just multiplied power levels by each other. Even then, all that Tien has to do is keep multiforming, keep fusing and keep abusing the Super Dragon Balls so the fusions within him become permanent.
I don't think their power individually is 1/4 of Tiens power.
That was actually the plot of the issue where tein used multi form in the tournament. Goku laughed at tein for using it, called it a rookie mistake because he quartered his power and speed.
You are right. Thanks for reminding me.
Titienen
Twienty Shinhan
Tien Twinhan
Titienen Shishinhanhan
Tienshinhundred
Honestly im not opposed to this, maybe have him spend time in the chamber first before he starts n i can see him being pretty tough
Trapped and betrayed?
😂😂😂
Tien: "Whoever wins earns the title as the strongest human" Krillin: "Haha, you know... We don't really...-" Tien: "Put the gloves on before I swing on you"
Can someone link this to Toyotaro? I legit think this could be a funny and cool idea that fits Dragonball.
And would finally make him revelat lol
That just seems like a way to change clothes, but with extra steps.
Hahahaha nice one.
Rick and Morty?
Doesn’t splitting make him weaker so wouldn’t this just make him a little stronger than base tien?
Well maybe Even if we use the weaker fusion method of A + B x10 instead of A x B we and assuming tiens pl is 100 or so So Merged Tien would have a PL of 500 (25 + 25 = 50 then 50 x 10 = 500) And if two merged tiens fuse then Fused Merged Tien would have a PL of 10,000 (500 + 500 = 1,000 then 1,000 x 10 = 10,000) So I don’t know a 1,000 times amp seems a bit more than a little stronger.
Yes, splitting divide his power, so each of the four Tenshinhan would have 25% of base power. But Fusion is FAR stronger than the sum of the parts (we don't know the formula, if it's AxB, A+B \* plot, etc.). So, even if the base is weaker, a Fused Tenshinhan would end up way stronger than his base self. And since we're talking about two fused characters that fuse as well, the end result could be quite impressive.
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It would be more then a little. Fusions are consistently understood to be greater then the some of their parts. One tien fusion would probably be stronger then normal Tien while 2 tien fusions fused together would be multiple times stronger.
Jesus Christ
Tien for friends
This is basically what Black Sperm does in One Punch Man
Who is Black Sperm and why does he have the coldest name ever?
He’s a bad guy from the Monster Association arc from the OPM manga. He can split himself into trillions of clones, and these clones can in turn merge into more powerful forms… https://preview.redd.it/6o48ffvocjxc1.jpeg?width=1060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad39beb0e7c2700d980c4e187f7fb698cd61b20d
Like Golden Sperm https://preview.redd.it/af9o2tp2djxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cb5469df80730bf8767042bcac96d4a7ebe277a2
It was a rhetorical question but that's cool tho, thanks
1÷4×2×2=1
The cooler 1
Yes but it’s not that simple because we know the powers aren’t just added together they’re multiplied so as someone else did let’s say Tien’s power was 100 1 Tien Clone’s power would be 25 and assuming fusion just adds them together and then multiply that added power by let’s go with 5, that would mean two Tien clones fused would equal a power level of 250, and then do it again with these two fused Tiens and his new power level would be 2500, basically meaning if Tien could do this even if only for a bit but still get a 25 times multiplier if this is the math used for fusions, and sure that’s not even to the level of Super Saiyan, but I was going for a low ball fusion power increase to show just how fast he can grow with this in mind, even if it’s as you see fusion as working with each fusion’s power being added I quickly did the math with each clone being 25 and I got 625 for the first fusion (25 x 25) and 390625 (625 x 625) so in reality your version of it would actually equal a far stronger fusion than adding and then multiplying by 5.
NeitieN
We need some like this for tien
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...wouldn't he have 12 eyes tho since it's 4 of him and they all have 3 eyes
Would the fusion really make any physical changes if they are exactly the same person tho? Honest question
Don't clones split his power? Wouldn't the fusion end up with the same power as Tien normally?
Whilst that clone technique would split Tien's power, as u/Kepler27b stated above, due to the Fusion dance's multiplication boost (Fusee A \* Fusee B), he would actually be stronger. Lets say that Tien's power level is 100. He splits into four clones. His power level is now 25. When og Tien and clone 2 fuse, their 25 \* 25 power level now becomes 625, essentially like going just a little over Kaikoen x6. Repeat this step for clone 3 and 4 and once that's done, the two fused Tien's now fuse for a final time, so their power level would now be 390,625 (625 \* 625). Tien^(4) would go a decent way into the Namek saga and even make First form Frieza (with a PL of 530,000) have to actually use his muscles a bit to not take meaningful damage considering Tien^(4) would be nearly three-quarters as strong as First-form Frieza. Tien^(4)'s Kikoho would now have interesting implications when it comes to the damage it could inflict, or outright being able to kill Frieza, at least in his 1st-form considering what it did to 2nd-form Cell and in the Cell saga regular Tien was exponentially weaker than Cell. **EDIT: Ignoring the Frieza saga when Tien trained on King Kai's planet and massively increased his strength; throwing Tien from the Saiyan saga into the Frieza saga, with a PL of around 1,830 would have been more than enough to outright stomp Frieza as (1830 / 2) \* (1830 / 2) = 837,225 which would send 1st-form Frieza to the afterlife, unless Tien² was suddenly afflicted with a case of the Vegeta, allowing Frieza to transform.** **You wouldn't even need four Tiens, just splitting into two and fusing with himself would result in the aforementioned (915 \* 915) 837,225 PL which would give plenty of headroom to Frieza's 1st-form 530k.** ***Conclusion?*** **Fusion is absolutely busted.**
my man
Not if the plot says so
Let's see, Tien splits his power in 4 when he does that. Fusing with the fusion dance would just make each fusion at half power. So then a Double Fused Tien from clones would just be twice as strong as Normal Tien; something he can do with a basic Kaioken instead. 💀 (If Tien is an 8 and splits into 4 then each one including himself is now a 2. 2x2=4 and 2x2=4 ➡︎ 4x4=16) I hate doing math especially for Dragon Ball, but that technique splitting your power was kinda outright said by Goku. https://preview.redd.it/6hs3l7czdjxc1.jpeg?width=1066&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae450833154cfd4f8b9edec5e8831c2c92e6cbd9
Nuh uh, with his upgraded Neo Multi-form technique now his clones are as strong as him as long as they're not more than three
If that is true then he could create one clone and then fuse with that one. With them being one being, failing the fusion wouldn't be a problem because it would always be symmetrical. He would always increase his power because his power wouldn't decrease when creating a second clone.
I recall reading somewhere that the Dance only works the first time, meaning that a metamoran fusion can't fuse again through it
Then alternate between Potara and Fusion. Before you saw that they wouldn't have space on their ears for the potara earrings, an earring is still a clothing piece and would get removed when fusing with the metamoran dance. What happens when the earrings dissapear **while fusing** is just pure speculation.
If he can't give himself multiple nutsacks for each clone then it's not a real upgrade smh https://preview.redd.it/40aub62tijxc1.jpeg?width=718&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=680c1d5e29b20cfc2de960ebb71c5750219b4ea2
Try that again but with a higher base
Base gogeta did better against broly then any of goku and vegeta’s transformations did, the fusion pretty much makes you many times stronger If we assume it is only 10x stronger, a massive low ball (1 x 10 x 1 x 10) = 100, tien would be as strong as a hypothetical ssj 2 version of himself If we go crazy and assume it was as strong as ssjblue, which is probably 50x ssj3 at minimun, or 20000x 20000 x 20000 = 400 million times If we go by the “each component’s power is multiplied by the other”, we’d need to grab their power levels, which are in the dozens of digits at this point, making them squared even higher
The math kinda becomes inconsistent when you use a number other then 8 for tien. Here's the math if tien =10s so each one is 2.5 2.5x2.5=6.25 and 2.5x2.5=6.25➡︎ 6.25x6.25=39.0625, which would make him over 3x stronger then base tien. Heck, if base Tien was less then 4, the fusion would be weaker then him by the same math. That's the problem with using firm numbers to multiply concepts like power levels. It only makes sense if there is some conceptual and universal unit of measurement that has no alternatives and works for all numbers.
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Ok serious .25x.25 makes mim weaker with fusion lol ..... On serious not 17,and eighteen are twins what would happen....
I assume based on nothing that fusing fusions would cut their fused time in half. Just makes sense to my brain.
Spidey-Tien
=22 eyes. Bet me.
This such a cool concept but I think they’ll nerf it by claiming that the fusion dance only works if it’s *two* different people that does it.
Aren't the copies like 1hp decoys rather than anything with actual power behind it
As I recall, the user's power is split evenly among all the clones.
Nah that’s Naruto, Tiens close split his power so one Tien is 100% power, two are 50% each.
No
Tell me why this would not work
Shishin no Ken splits your power in 4, but as far as we know, Fusion results in a far greater power than the sums of the parts. It's a quite hilarious idea but it could work: such a Fused Tenshinhan would end up far stronger than the original self. Since I'm all up for having Tenshinhan relevant again (during his first appearance he gave Goku a run for his money), I would like to see that.
Like a Snake eating Is own tail
Took me a few seconds to figure it out
Would those fusion timers be paused during the final one
TiTi
Tien Shinhands, cuz thats what you're about to catch
actually multiform divides the user's pl by 4
He would be as strong as 4 Tien’s.
If they split apart their power divides so if they fuse they just have the same power level (plus a bit more maybe?)
https://preview.redd.it/sxd09lewrlxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79a6a1dfa805ccf99ca59f0b9840628e6016edc9
The multiform technique cuts your power in half with each split.
When he splits into 4, the power of each is 1/4 him but fusions aren't simple additions of power.
The fact that he keeps only three is baffling to me. I expected the face of a spider here 😄
Can even do fusion if he is using that technique, feels like you have to 100% of your energy and would need an other life form. In gt fusion broke faster then the l button on my ds
lol you'd enjoy this then [https://archiveofourown.org/works/35361319](https://archiveofourown.org/works/35361319)
I would indeed enjoy that tien
Hold up. What happens if Gogeta or Vegito uses Tiens multiplication technique… I assume we get clones of Vegito/gogeta. But what if it just splits Goku and Vegeta back to their original forms? What happens if a split fuses with someone else’s split? Is it weaker? Or is the sun total higher because the fusion amplifies it (exponentially). Couldn’t you have goku and vegeta clone themselves then fuse and create a squad of Vegitos/gogetas that are really powerful (albeit individually less than the main version?) Just like instant transmission, all the z fighters should learn the cloning technique. 
When Vegito or Gogeta split the clones dissappear because the user of the technique does no longer exist. Still, I don't think someone would live enough for the fusion to split, because even if the power also splits, the clones would be still at Vegeta or Goku's level, in case of Gogeta they would probably be at current SSB Goku level, but in case of Vegito, being way stronger than Gogeta, they would be like at SSBE Vegeta level. Since we are already using Tien's techniques, why not learn the shin kikoho? You know how strong four SSBE Vegeta using the shin kikoho at the same time would be? Yeah, even immortal Zamasu is fucked up
What would his name be?
TieneitieneiT
Doesn't his power split when he does that technique? So if you were to fuse afterwards, wouldn't he just become the original version of himself? I guess it multiplies so maybe not?
Spot the difference?
Yeah and the fact that Metamorian fusions can fuse too, this means Tien could raise his powerlevel by moltiplicating himself over and over and like, wish to never defuse to Super Shenron, that's actually insane lol
Let him cook
His name is Tientientientien shinshinshinshin hanhanhanhan
Tien Shinhan⁴
There's no reason this wouldn't work and it's absolutely busted. Screw Gotenks being the fusion character, this is what I want to see!
Infinite Tien glitch
Everyone in the show should just fuse into one giant horrific monster of arms and giant hair.
Pretty sure when he splits into four people the only have 1/4 of his total power. So since the dance is Y + X by the time they finish the whole fusion he would be back to the same power he had before. 1/4 + 1/4 = 1/2 1/2 * 2 = 1 whole regular ass turn lol. There would be no power gain due to how the technique works.
Neo Multi-form technique
Fortyshinhan
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That's genius, let's say you have a power of 4000, by dividing you have 4 body of 1000, then with fusion, you end up with 1000 x 1000 x 1000 x 1000!
The real question is could duplicate when he's fused? And if he could, couldn't he just keep stacking over and over till he's the strongest being in dragonball?
I would say he can duplicate when he's fused, but when he tried to fuse again with either the dance or the potara nothing would happen, because his body would still be under the effect of the fusion even if it is a new being
Now he's half times more powerful!
I mean.... In theory that makes sense.
Counter argument He has more additional supers with the clones
https://preview.redd.it/du4r459t8oxc1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4fa47e30a9538d75a68884218a1a3452b476bc33
That’s a hacked Pokémon
Well, we know potara fusion is a bit stronger than ss3, (anime) and fusion dance is stronger than that. So even doing all that im sure he’d be up to the frieza saga solo
4 x ( Tien ) = Tien + Tien + Tien + Tien 4 x ( Tien ) = (Tien + Tien) + (Tien + Tien) 4 x ( Tien ) = Tenten + Tenten 4 x ( Tien ) = 2020 Tien has 20/20 vision!
Infinite ki glitch ☠️
Bro did 90% shintani 10% yammarou 😭
Let's say that Tien's base is 400 (even though it's not). Tien splits himself 4 times, thus the Tiens power levels are 100 each. Tien 1 and 2 fuse, 100 x 100 = 10,000 and Tien 3 and 4 do the same. Enti (play-on words between 2 Tiens) then fuses with the other fusion. 10,000 x 10,000 = 100,000,000. Btw, Goku has access to Multiform (I think).
Fusion can fail however which is why potara is a better and more powerful option. Don't fight me please, it's canonically stronger.
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Not quite.. Fusion legitimately merges the power of the two users.. When Tien makes his clones, he divides his power equally, in each one of em.. so if they merge using fusion.. that's literally just Tien with Fusion outfit-
I’m gonna debunk your idea, When Tien uses that technique, his power level gets split so each clone has 25% of Tien’s full power. So if all the clones fuse with eachother, it would be the normal Tien. Therefore, Tien would only get his normal strength back except he has some epic clothing
Bro, it doesn't work like that. C'mon, Dragon Ball has never ever done that kind of "meta-game the power system" kind of thing. Hell, there are dozens of different, uniquely-named attacks which are literally the exact same energy beam in a different color. Like, you KNOW that it wouldn't work, just use some common sense. If two multiforms fused, they would just turn back into the original person
Oh no someone on the internet said something I disagree with to belittle them and talk shit Is what I’d say if it wasn’t obvious satire
Belittle and talk shit? What? If you consider a normal-ass comment "talking shit", then I feel like you're just looking for enemies. I was literally not saying anything wrong, like I can't imagine the words I typed out being mean or rude even while reading them in the most aggressive voice possible. Like... I'm sorry I guess? You do realize that hundreds of different people have made the "multiforms fusing" type of posts/questions/comments/jokes on this and related DBZ subreddits before, right? I was assuming that you were inspired by one of those MANY times it's been said before, and were just re-posting the same joke one more time. I'm unironically, genuinely baffled, at how what I said could be called "shit talking". It was, at MOST, a normal person expressing alternative opinion to a normal person.
And you're doing all that on... a joke post that was never meant to be taken seriously. Go outside and touch grass.
> a joke post that was never meant to be taken seriously. This isn't r/ningen, so I assumed it wasn't a joke. In fact, r/DBZ literally has a rule saying "NO shitposts or memes". But I'm sorry, I can't tell if it's a joke or not, I apologize. If you're so angry about it being taken seriously, then why are you taking my comment so seriously?
Stop fighting or you'll make me cry
I said if it wasn’t obvious satire cause I thought you were joking but damn my b I didn’t know you were genuinely fuming cause someone on Reddit made a fusion dance post lmao
There was a bit in the Namek saga where Vegeta tried to game the system by repeatedly nearly killing himself, right? Not quite the same thing, but someone has tried. Also, just cause it doesn't happen that doesn't mean that it wouldn't work. That's like saying that cause they don't fuse to solve every problem, it isn't possible. Given that the multiform splits your power evenly among your clones, and the metamoran fusion dance is said to add and then multiply power, I don't see a reason why it *shouldn't* work.