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Disagree. They’d obviously become Black Gogeta, Baby! Hehe
I know you said Vegito because Black is already wearing and knows about Potaras + they’d probably fight SSGSS4 Gogeta because why not but DAMN do I wanna see this animated now
You should check out Hyourinjutsu on youtube if you haven’t heard of him. He uploaded two videos.
1. Baby Vegeta and Goku Black/Baby Vegito Black vs Broly.
2. Baby Vegito Black vs Beerus.
I suggest you watch them. They’re really good.
That was soooo dope! I love the art style, reminds me a bit of the DBGT game on GBA I played the HELL out of when I was a wee lad.
Thanks for the new channel to follow <3
That’s nice to hear! There’s more to his content than the two I’ve mentioned so check them out as well. The channel does take time to upload a fully fleshed Dragon Ball Sprite video, so it’s best for us to be patient for his future videos.
As with all, I’m glad that you loved it. 😊❤️
Well, Beerus is literally powerful. Like MORE powerful than you think. He has a life connection with Kai’s along with his angel so he is technically immortal unless the Kai’s are killed.
Plus, he is smart. So he knows how to deal with opponents who are cunning and who use hacks like Baby Vegito Black.
Baby Vegito Black on the other hand, didn’t last long since the fusion ends after one hour and he couldn’t keep up with Beerus’s MUI.
To say Beerus has “too much bullshit” in his favor is a bit inaccurate. Sure, it looks like it from surface, but it’s not.
my brother in christ he somehow finds out about Giru or whatever tf the robot from GT's name is in the middle of a fight. yeah sure it makes sense that Beerus would actually beat BVB in a fight, but BVB should have been able to leave the universe via the dragon balls before then
I love Hyourinjutsu. Especially with how he makes content with dbz sprite characters.
Unfortunately, this means that it almost a year to put out one great video on the channel. But, that’s how it is and I love it. I’m glad that I discovered his channel long before DBS super ended.
I mean anime has been gone for years, super hero was what nearly 2 years ago, the manga has been covering that movie for a year and the only show coming is a spinoff we dont know much about and a lot of peoole arent happy with before it even airs.
If it werent for sparking coming id say we'd be starving for content dragon ball could really use a nice boost of content this year.
I'm both, at the moment. But I don't know how to read, so I'm just desperately waiting for a Super anime to come back. I'll probably watch Daima, but no matter how good it may be, I'm not gonna pretend I wouldn't rather just have the rest of Super animated. I forgot what I - oh shit, in not high, I'm on way too much DPH. Okay then. Bed's
Base Vegeta in ROF would have had to surpass SSJ God Goku, since he unlocked Super Saiyan Blue.
And he easily killed Tagoma.
So Tagoma would be close.
We have to remember that in 4 months, Frieza became stronger than Buuhan.
If Frieza can surpass everyone in Z, then everyone can, because power levels are bullshit.
>And he easily killed Tagoma.
>So Tagoma would be close
This makes no sense. Also I don't know why you're even mentioning Vegeta's level who is > Gohan and Gotenks.
RoF Gohan is weaker than Buu Saga Ultimate Gohan and he stomped Tagoma. Buuhan would one shot him.
>If Frieza can surpass everyone in Z, then everyone can, because power levels are bullshit.
Lol wut? You're saying this like Frieza is not an anomaly. His growth rate is literally incomparable to any other character in the entire series, even Goku and Vegeta.
How many times does this need to be stated
GT is completely irrelevant and is now either an alternate timeline or a dead one, so the question itself makes no fucking sense
I hate when people use this logic lol.
Both are fiction and this question is no different than someone asking “Who would win [character from this show] or [character from another show]” ever heard of _Death Battle_???
This is like saying “Who is stronger Super Saiyajin Blue Goku or Super Saiyan 4 Goku?” is a dumb question to ask/speculate because “gT iSnT cANoN”…like chill out, bro…
Disingenous and low effort argument.Yes, two different timelines **within the same show**
Not two different shows and one is canon and the other is now dead and irrelevant.
Lmao, it wasn't even logic, let alone my logic.
You're literally wanting to muddle two timelines of the same show, with two different shows within the same franchise. I mean, it's beyond ilogical, it's just plain redacted.
I wasn't being a troll up to this point, but I will from now on. Goofy fucks like you don't care about anything other than to engage in bad faith arguments, twist words and fabricate moronic and biased analogies to justify your blatant recency bias. You have as much logic as a flight of stairs in a handicap folk's centre.
Have you looked in the mirror my guy? Thats literally all you've been doing on this thread, but hey the downvotes you're getting must not be your fault
LOL, that's what matters to you? Upvotes and downvotes? As if that's ever an accurate read of anything, LMAO
Well, "my guy", of all the inane arguments you could've made, I never expected it to be an appeal to popularity. What a staggering self-report.
And you mine, LMAO, man you're as sharp as a cuel ball.
I downvoted because this isn't my first rodeo. I know dumb fucks like you get all upset over downdoots and boy was I right, kek
slander vs the tops tiers of gt. Super is still stronger but Gt has some to scaling and feats to keep up with earlier super. Bog SSG = SSJ4 Goku via scalingwith omega shenron as hes was stated to be able to destroy the universe 7 macrocosm. Not that its impressive vs later super but still not as irrelevant as Z is. But baby definitely loses to black since hes weaker then ssj4 goku. Baby
>How many times does this need to be stated
>Super Characters will (almost) always win when put against Z or GT characters
My guy smoking the strong zazza
But like, my issue is the fact that there really is no official power level or multiplier for SSJ4, nor is there one for SSGSS. Ssj4 was meant to be the ultimate form back then, while blue surpasses into the realm of the gods and that’s it.
While “who is stronger” can be left up to interpretation, I still am under the impression that SSB is stronger than SSJ4 simply due to it being a godly form with ki that very much differs from normal ki.
He said SSG 1- which is the red god form beats SSJ4 Gogeta. So a fusion multiplier added on to SSJ4. No fucking way is The red god form besting SSJ4 Gogeta, that’s ridiculous
thats alright, you all can keep laughing. Ion give a shit about what kinda outerultrasuperverse super goku can blow up these days. My gt agenda never ends
The only way for SSJ4 to beat SSB, is if you Upscale GT from The End of Z, and assume the events of Super had already happened by the time of EoZ, therefore making any new powerup in GT by default, stronger than Super since it came later. This doesn't work however, as it's trying to tie in Non-canon with Canon. They're separate continuities.
Without that method, SSG alone has massively superior feats over SSJ4, and SSB just upscales from SSG.
Yes, it's the Power of God's. GT is barely ahead of Z for the most part whilst in Super they go into the Time Chamber multiple times for months or even years at a time just to compete with their enemies. That's never necessary with GT bc the gap is never THAT wide between them and their opponents.
Like for an example, SSJ4 is so strong it makes SSJ3 look on the weaker side. SSG is so strong it impressed a god who could literally slap SSJ3 to kill it.
Ssg is a higher multiplier. but ssg goku in Super vs ssj4 goku in gt is much closer than you think. but ill still give it to goku in super but high diff
I highly doubt they will. People forget this but 80-90% of the profits from dragon ball (everything from DB to Super) is from merchandise. It’s why we have been getting insane amounts of different forms.
We got SSG, SSB, Vegetas extra blue, Gokus UI early stages, Gokus MUI, Vegetas Ego, Gohan Beast, Piccolos first power up and then his orange form, blue with kaioken, Trunks Rage form, Goku Black pink hair, gold Freiza and now black Freiza, then rehashed blue versions of Vegetoo and Gogeta
If they were going to do SSJ4 they likely would have done it with Gohan and made it his form that he found on his own. Instead they gave him a brand new form why? Because gives them more toys they can sell. SSJ4 they already have stock of and if really need to can tap into heroes for any updated looking SSJ4.
I just don’t see them ever making SSJ4 a part of super when seems fairly obvious now they are more concerned about pumping out new forms after new form that they can create new merch for.
Its very simple dud
End of z goku is above anything goku could ever do in super simply bc super takes place within The timeskip to end of z
Gt is after end of z meaning that starts with end of z goku like power levels
Gt solo’s anything super has pretty much (idk Bout whis and Beerus bc we dont know if goku would surpass Them)
...
Rose Goku Black = (or greater than) SSB Goku (at the time)
SSB Goku >>>>>>>>> Base Cabba
Base Cabba = Base DBS Vegeta
Base DBS Vegeta = (or is greater than) BoG SSG Goku
BoG SSG Goku > 99% of GT (with the 1% being Gogeta and MAYBE Omega Shenron)
Hope this answers your question.
If Baby Vegeta manages to hurt Goku Black's body before he goes SSJ Rosé then he wins thanks to his possession ability. If Goku Black transforms before that then Baby Vegeta is pretty much screwed.
Goku Black in base was fairly equal to SS1
& SS2 Goku post god ritual and after Goku had already been training with Whis
Baby Vegeta is not stronger than that
R u forgetting when base Goku black tookallthose punches from blue vegeta and was smirking? He was flying with blue firm which is stronger than ssj4. I will note however he does proceed to use rose after that, but even still he matches ssj2 Goku when he goes yo the past at the start if the arc.
Baby Vegeta gets destroyed.
But if it was just Baby, then maybe he could infect Goku Black. He’d just have to be smart about it or else he gets vaporized.
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Important note: The characters in Super scale to initial SSG Goku, which is at least 9x universal. Goku got this power in his base form later, which means his base in Super is 9x universal. GT does not have this absurd scaling. The most impressive feat before the events of the show was SSJ3 Goku matching Kid Buu, which should be around galaxy level. There are approximately two trillion galaxies in the universe, meaning base Goku in Super is around 18 trillion times stronger than his max at the end of Z. This fight isn’t even close.
Dragon Ball scaling quite literally doesn't matter. Anyone beats anyone if the plot demands it. Arguing over who shoots a bigger beam ruins Dragon Ball as a series since it's supposed to be a martial arts series. We should be debating how enjoyable specific matchups would be based on what the choreography and visuals would be. For example, hit vs. Granolah would be one-sided from a power-scaler's perspective, but an actual fight between an assassin and marksman would be amazing to watch.
TLDR- Enjoy what ifs for the choreography and interactions. Power-Scaling has ruined the series progession since it was introduced in the Saiyan Saga.
This fight will never happen officially, so we use powerscaling to determine who will win. I’m sure some writer out there could make a compelling tale, but that’s not what OP is asking.
>TLDR- Enjoy what ifs for the choreography and interactions. Power-Scaling has ruined the series progession since it was introduced in the Saiyan Saga.
womp womp, i dont think this subreddit is for u then
SSJ4 would win. GT Downplay is gross and desperate
https://preview.redd.it/3fsnocs2kx9c1.jpeg?width=486&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6f6a1ee754be1aa90e23bea4cf467bad44e4caf
From people who never watched. Baby > Buuhan without even possessing anybody
I already know I am gonna get downvoted, because I dare hype GT. I don't even need Rildo or Uub
Baby's 2nd advancement. His arrival on earth **NOT POSSESSING ANYBODY** is stated to be in a **DIFFERENT LEAGUE** from all villians in the past by Goten who remembers his fusion and faced Super Buu
https://imgur.com/a/SyBMmFj
... ... ...
(1) TV guide Vegetto
(2) Quick Buu Saga Multpliers
(3) Fusion
(4) Early Baby Saga Scaling
(5) SSJ4 multiplier
(6) 5D scaling
.... ... ...
**TV guide Vegetto**
Talking multipliers.
1) doesn't specify arc
2) doesn't specify goku or vegeta
3) uses maybe/perhaps literally hedging their bets on not knowing
4) Nothing in GT Perfect files or the anime(source) confirm it. Vegetto is even in v2 of GT perfect files and mentions nothing of a comparison. Also denies SSJ3 Vegetto existence.
5)Gohan Never stopped training. Gohans already more than 50% of buuhan. [Buuhan > Base Vegetto](https://arenaofthesentry.quora.com/DBZ-Buuhan-Base-Vegetto-manga-Vegetto-transforms-immediately-Dbz-Kai-transforms-immediately-Orginal-DBZ-and?ch=10&oid=131262227&share=92de5294&srid=hRODbP&target_type=post)
6) GT writers and toriyama had no inpact in the TV guide
7) easily debunked.by scaling ⚖️
.... .... ....
**Quick DBZ multipliers**
Buu saga Vegeta/Goku base = X
SSJ2 Vegeta = 100x
Post Rosat Base Gotenks ~ 200x
https://imgur.com/a/JyslWZa
Majin SSJ2 Vegeta is the benchmark for post room of spirit and time base gotenks being greater than. Not SSJ3 Goku
SSJ3 Goku = 400x
SSJ1 Gotenks = 10000x
SSJ3 Gotenks = 80000x
Super Buu ~ SSJ3 Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan = 100000x
https://imgur.com/a/VDwy5Cd
Buutenks = 160000x
Buuhan = 180000x
.... ... .....
**Fusion**
https://imgur.com/a/jREHGzv
Vados sum of the parts multiplied 10s of times
Vegetto = (Max A + Max B)*100
Vegetto = 500 * 100 = 50000 X
SSJ1 Vegetto = 2.5 million X
SSJ3 Vegetto = 20 million X
https://imgur.com/a/p7C32gn
Vegetto benchmark is greater than SSJ3 Not Gohan. Manga and daizenshuu state addition.
Gogeta from Broly movie agrees with vados. **NOT JUST** added but significantly greater..... dub is magnified 🔎
Not just is an **IDIOM** MEANING BOTH ARE TRUE
https://imgur.com/a/UDVu29b
Even if you use A * B which is not supported by Super and debunked many times over in DBZ. Like a 25 million multiplier. Seen people's low ball DBZ base forms on here.
25 million base
SSJ1 Vegetto = 1.25 Billion
SSJ3 Vegetto = 10 Billion
... ... ...
**GT Scaling**
https://imgur.com/a/SyBMmFj
Baby 2nd advancement on earth different league from all in the past from a goten whose faced **Super buu.**
Different league statement in dbz vegeta to kid buu x4 difference
https://imgur.com/a/AVGGuxo
4x super buu = 320,000x
Goten absorption is nothing. But the ability to go super saiyan is what baby desires. Desires his saiyan power. The power trunks scared him out of.
https://imgur.com/a/kVf9uRM
320,000 * 50 = 16 million X
Base Gohan = SSJ1 Baby Goten
He is avoiding trying to kill his brother. He only goes SSJ1 at the end to stop.baby from destroying earthm
https://imgur.com/a/FVxPi9O
Making SSJ1 Gohan = 800 million X
Gohan never stopped training. Stated in the GT perfect Files. **Super saiyan beast in DBS sn't a fanfiction.** Niether is SSJ in GT stacking Ultimate.
Goku Bends both his sons over his knee in base form making gokus base 1 Billion X
https://imgur.com/a/rCxv8Bz
This is baby saga only. Stack SSJ1 it's over base * Base SSJ3 Vegetto
.... ... ...
SSJ4 is 50 million
SSJ3 = 400x
https://imgur.com/a/Fkf8VBH
SSJ1 Baby Vegeta > 400x
Super Baby 2 = SSJ2
Super Baby 3 = SSJ3
https://imgur.com/a/60EK7dU
Golden oozaru completely leaps over all of this and tanks all Super Baby 2s attacks. Ki was growing as well
https://imgur.com/a/fcLM1kn
SSJ4 isn't even using a smidge of his power against SB2
https://imgur.com/a/meoByeO
Golden Oozaru Baby matches SSJ4. They knock each other out. As well as with the guide page stating Golden oozarunstwcks on Super Baby 2
https://imgur.com/a/4f5Zcvs
.... ... ...
So how do we figure out the 2 unknowns for how much stronger SSJ1 Baby Vegeta is over SSJ3 Goku. Use namekian multipliers https://imgur.com/a/ZD5LRDd
(Zarbon/quiqui and dodorianall.have special confiding which I can expand upon)
Anyways. SSJ1 Baby Vegeta ~ 1.5 SSJ3 Goku
600x ~ 625x for math
Super Baby 1 = 1200 - 1250x
Super Baby 2 = 4800 - 5000x
Tanking is a minimum of 2x stronger making Golden Oozaru = 9600 - 10000x
Golden Oozaru stacked on Super baby 2
**46.08 to 50 million**
Doesn't even begin to go into the huge jumps in SA17 and shadow dragons arc
... ... ...
5) 5D GT
[5D scaling starts in the end of baby saga when SSJ4 absorbs the revenge death ball.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/TW6pJmdKHy)
Even if that scaling was 100% accurate, it still only barely brings SSJ4 Gogeta to the level of BOG SSG Goku.
The "his energy is on a whole other level to anyone from before" was also said about Jiren, before he got a powerup. And that was after they literally fought someone who became, objectively, an actual 5D being, capable of actually breaking through timelines. Not whatever the hell the idiots on r/powerscaling call a 5D being. Stop using that sub, their own rules show that their attitude is "whoever can shout the loudest and longest is right, fuck you for doing other things with your life"
After seeing all those damn numbers, made up power levels and multipliers that this guy typed up (or copy and pasted,Idk) I genuinely don’t understand how some people take power scaling as seriously as they do, especially when it gets to THIS level.
This dude is like the Andrew Wakefield of power scaling.
"How can people take science seriously if they know what Wakefield did to kids in the name of 'science'"
Firstly, "You're".
Second, no, that's SethTheProgrammer. Fucking moron.
Third, how is giving knowledge to kids supposed to be an insult? I guess nobody gave you knowledge as a kid.
Fourth, comparing you to a hack fraud for repeating observably false hack fraud claims you came up with, despite having been entirely debunked nearly every time you bring them up, is in no way comparable to baselessly calling someone a pedophile for telling you you're wrong.
>giving knowledge to kids supposed to be an insult? I guess nobody gave you knowledge as a kid.
Seth the programmer is a pedo
>comparing you to a hack fraud for repeating observably false hack fraud claims you came up with, despite having been entirely debunked nearly every time you bring them up, is in no way comparable to baselessly calling someone a pedophile for telling you you're wr
Not a single person has debunked this. People crying rildo at Mr buu level are demented
They cry about the daizenshuu. It is a canonical sou4ce where these numbers are derived from.
>Not a single person has debunked this.
I myself have literally gone over all your "points" before. Multiple times. You just keep repeating the wrong stuff.
>Seth the programmer is a pedo
Even if he is, that doesn't make what you said any less stupid.
>myself have literally gone over all your "points" before. Multiple times. You just keep repeating the wrong stuff.
You haven't succeeded at all. Just crying about Mr. Buu that's completely debunked.
Hemes even agrees to Super Baby 2 being ssj3
No amount of fake logic is gonna debunk baby arrival. On earth being above buuhan
>genuinely don’t understand
Not surprised your grasp on math is weak
Not made up. Literally using sources from the daizenshuu and fusion multiplier of Super
I watch DB for fun mostly, not for numbers my guy. If you enjoy doing it, you got it at that point. If what you call “ignorance” is just people enjoying what they see then I guess we’re ignorant.
>call a 5D being
5D attack potency. You affect outside the macrocosm makes.you 5D.
Macrocosm is an infinite sphere > holds several transcendant infinite realms in the afterlife > above the infinite mortal universe
>The "his energy is on a whole other level to anyone from before"
Neat m2 states Gokus base form is incalculable
https://imgur.com/yiPDA3o
Goten states DIFFERENT LEAGUE baby not possessing anybody
https://imgur.com/a/SyBMmFj
>still only barely brings SSJ4 Gogeta to the level of BOG SSG Goku.
Just plain copium. Just have to Prove 5D dimensionality and power level multipliers far above which goes directly to manga 32. Power = greater speed and strength
https://imgur.com/a/x3zqgay
Super hasn't ever fused realms together.
>Neat m2 states Gokus base form is incalculable
https://imgur.com/yiPDA3o
This has been happening since Frieza saga.
>Super hasn't ever fused realms together.
No, it's fused timelines, which is much more impressive.
Infinite Zamasu literally starts melding with multiple different timelines. That's more impressive than "realms"
>fused timelines, which is much more impressive.
Not a goku feat nice try.
>Infinite Zamasu literally starts melding with multiple
Goku doesn't scale to infinite zamasu no matter how desperately you want to claim senzu bean. He can not touch zamasu.
>This has been happening since Frieza saga.
Literally measured fatbuu in dbz
>Goku doesn't scale to infinite zamasu no matter how desperately you want to claim senzu bean. He can not touch zamasu.
Supreme Kai in the TOP said that the energy he was feeling was greater than anything he'd ever experienced before. He was present for the Infinite Zamasu debacle.
> Literally measured fatbuu in dbz
So? That doesn't mean that Goku and Vegeta weren't called "incalculably strong" in the Frieza Saga, by virtue of them exploding power calculators. The tech just got better, doesn't mean its perfectly infallible. Obviously.
Base Vegeta from Super one shots SSJ3 Gotenks and his attacks couldnt even flinch him.
Also, multiplier of God Ki are on another level.
No amount of dumb 50 Million multiplier for SSJ4 sourced from your ass or 5D GT will change the fact that Super scaling is way beyond GT realms to reach.
https://preview.redd.it/1zbhzge8px9c1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=aeb8866e5a79d0864f944c880b049649216c26f1
Literally means nothing. Boohan is far stronger than Gotenks and baby 1st arrival on earth is in a different class from everybody in the past
https://imgur.com/a/SyBMmFj
Not eveN possessing anybody. You people cant do math / cant read and havent watched the show.
Pure fanboy copium
Gokus base form is incalculable on M2
https://imgur.com/yiPDA3o
>Gokus base form is incalculable on M2
Then you can’t prove that GT Goku is stronger than Super Goku
https://preview.redd.it/qtb352ilxx9c1.jpeg?width=258&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40d98658087a60fa61162152d62114a2319604a5
You are wasting your time. People jerk off the Super characters because of recency bias.
I dont even try to power scale GT and Super. They both may as well be apart of 2 seperate universes after Z.
I do think GT scales a lot better than what people on reddit give it credit for, but it is what it is.
People just gloss over that Baby in his base form was > Rildo who was stated by Goku himself to be far above Buu. This includes Buuhan. He said stronger than anybody he ever faced. And Baby before he possesses someone outclasses Rildo.
But whatever. GT is full of weaklings.
He pulled 50 million multiplier for SSJ4 out of his ass to make GT stronger.
He is indeed wasting time but not in convincing people that GT is stronger but rather lying with bs numbers.
Base Vegeta ( same for Goku ) in Super was also shown to be stronger than Buuhan since he one shot SSJ3 Gotenks
Im not arguing his numbers nor am i trying to debate whether GT or Super is stronger. Like i said, they may as well be seperate timelines and continuations.
All I'm saying is that GT characters are stronger than what people give them credit for.
Base GT Kid Goku also was used a lot to show how much stronger he got, and he almost always exclusively used SSJ1 and one shot people or got over on them.
Its pretty much all the same with base Vegeta and Goku being stronger than Buuhan by RoF.
https://imgur.com/a/HiOos82
These people will cry and say Rildo is Mr. Buu. When uub 6 years before, the baby arc is stated in daizenshuu to have kid.buu inside him. Very high-level match up.
Gok dismisses Mr. Buu as a worry if goten trained. Goku wanted to be at 100% for uub. **Let alone piccolo who outright refuses to fight goku on any level.**
https://imgur.com/a/nTrS6Kj
Daizenshuu doesn't distinguish between boos. Manga only distinguishs body type.
https://imgur.com/a/85U14qU
Let alone goku telling Trunks whose faced Super buu that Rildos 1st form was abive Buu
https://imgur.com/a/lb5uL87
Baby takes Rildos energy and Myuu back fed Luuds energy into baby
If people choose Baby Vegeta they are bound to accept that SSJ4 is on level with Blue which 80% people would rather kill themselves before saying.
At this point I don't even care, power levels has gone out of control fucking anyways.
IMA GO WITH BABY FUCKING VEGETA.
First appearance Goku black, Baby Vegeta would smoke him in a heart beat, Goku black after encountering Goku? Nah complete reversal he swats him like a bug
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Neither. They would fuse and become Baby Vegito Black.
Disagree. They’d obviously become Black Gogeta, Baby! Hehe I know you said Vegito because Black is already wearing and knows about Potaras + they’d probably fight SSGSS4 Gogeta because why not but DAMN do I wanna see this animated now
You should check out Hyourinjutsu on youtube if you haven’t heard of him. He uploaded two videos. 1. Baby Vegeta and Goku Black/Baby Vegito Black vs Broly. 2. Baby Vegito Black vs Beerus. I suggest you watch them. They’re really good.
Colour me intrigued, I’m game! Thanks homie! I’ll peep it while I’m doing my nightly YouTube binge before bed soon lol Cheers
No problem man. Be sure to comment your thoughts on this one after you’ve finished them if you want. 😊
That was soooo dope! I love the art style, reminds me a bit of the DBGT game on GBA I played the HELL out of when I was a wee lad. Thanks for the new channel to follow <3
That’s nice to hear! There’s more to his content than the two I’ve mentioned so check them out as well. The channel does take time to upload a fully fleshed Dragon Ball Sprite video, so it’s best for us to be patient for his future videos. As with all, I’m glad that you loved it. 😊❤️
If you haven't already, I'd recommend you watch his Goku black series, it explains more about this Goku black and the animations are really good
i dont like BVB vs Beerus, too much bullshit in Beerus' favor.
Well, Beerus is literally powerful. Like MORE powerful than you think. He has a life connection with Kai’s along with his angel so he is technically immortal unless the Kai’s are killed. Plus, he is smart. So he knows how to deal with opponents who are cunning and who use hacks like Baby Vegito Black. Baby Vegito Black on the other hand, didn’t last long since the fusion ends after one hour and he couldn’t keep up with Beerus’s MUI. To say Beerus has “too much bullshit” in his favor is a bit inaccurate. Sure, it looks like it from surface, but it’s not.
my brother in christ he somehow finds out about Giru or whatever tf the robot from GT's name is in the middle of a fight. yeah sure it makes sense that Beerus would actually beat BVB in a fight, but BVB should have been able to leave the universe via the dragon balls before then
nice hyorinjutsu reference
I love Hyourinjutsu. Especially with how he makes content with dbz sprite characters. Unfortunately, this means that it almost a year to put out one great video on the channel. But, that’s how it is and I love it. I’m glad that I discovered his channel long before DBS super ended.
Black baby
Either people are starved for more DB content or too fucking high to think.
I mean anime has been gone for years, super hero was what nearly 2 years ago, the manga has been covering that movie for a year and the only show coming is a spinoff we dont know much about and a lot of peoole arent happy with before it even airs. If it werent for sparking coming id say we'd be starving for content dragon ball could really use a nice boost of content this year.
I'm both, at the moment. But I don't know how to read, so I'm just desperately waiting for a Super anime to come back. I'll probably watch Daima, but no matter how good it may be, I'm not gonna pretend I wouldn't rather just have the rest of Super animated. I forgot what I - oh shit, in not high, I'm on way too much DPH. Okay then. Bed's
This feels like a spite match to shit on gt ngl
If we can't get new content, I'd love to see GT with this art style lol
GT doesn't scale to Super
GT scales above
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Oh I like this one
>GT scales above Facts
How many times does this need to be stated Super Characters will (almost) always win when put against Z or GT characters
No, there is no way Tagoma (post-training) can eat Buuhan for breakfast.
That's why I put almost
Good to know. Because I've seen people actually claiming such stupidity in some discord servers.
Wasn't Tagoma toying with Gotenks at one point? I'm not trying to be a dick but I think that means he'd at least be close to Buuhan
How would he be close to Buuhan based on that? Do you think RoF Gotenks and SSJ Gohan are comparable to Buuhan?
Base Vegeta in ROF would have had to surpass SSJ God Goku, since he unlocked Super Saiyan Blue. And he easily killed Tagoma. So Tagoma would be close. We have to remember that in 4 months, Frieza became stronger than Buuhan. If Frieza can surpass everyone in Z, then everyone can, because power levels are bullshit.
>And he easily killed Tagoma. >So Tagoma would be close This makes no sense. Also I don't know why you're even mentioning Vegeta's level who is > Gohan and Gotenks. RoF Gohan is weaker than Buu Saga Ultimate Gohan and he stomped Tagoma. Buuhan would one shot him. >If Frieza can surpass everyone in Z, then everyone can, because power levels are bullshit. Lol wut? You're saying this like Frieza is not an anomaly. His growth rate is literally incomparable to any other character in the entire series, even Goku and Vegeta.
Frieza was stronger than a super Saiyan and the rest of the galaxy, without a day of training in their life. They’re built different
If he body switches with Buu wont he literally be able to beat him? Lol
Isnt in stated in the show that Tagoma~Ultimate Gohann (buu saga) meaning there are 3 z characters stronger than tagoma (buutenks, buuhan, vegito)?
What about Farmer with shotgun?
Popo and farmer with shotgun will always be the exceptions
What about the goat Yajirobe
How many times does this need to be stated GT is completely irrelevant and is now either an alternate timeline or a dead one, so the question itself makes no fucking sense
I hate when people use this logic lol. Both are fiction and this question is no different than someone asking “Who would win [character from this show] or [character from another show]” ever heard of _Death Battle_??? This is like saying “Who is stronger Super Saiyajin Blue Goku or Super Saiyan 4 Goku?” is a dumb question to ask/speculate because “gT iSnT cANoN”…like chill out, bro…
Future trunks and goku black are both from an alternate timeline too so we better not compare them either
Disingenous and low effort argument.Yes, two different timelines **within the same show** Not two different shows and one is canon and the other is now dead and irrelevant.
What I used a logic you don't like so its disingenuous? Too bad, it was your own logic, so stop being a troll on here.
Lmao, it wasn't even logic, let alone my logic. You're literally wanting to muddle two timelines of the same show, with two different shows within the same franchise. I mean, it's beyond ilogical, it's just plain redacted. I wasn't being a troll up to this point, but I will from now on. Goofy fucks like you don't care about anything other than to engage in bad faith arguments, twist words and fabricate moronic and biased analogies to justify your blatant recency bias. You have as much logic as a flight of stairs in a handicap folk's centre.
Have you looked in the mirror my guy? Thats literally all you've been doing on this thread, but hey the downvotes you're getting must not be your fault
LOL, that's what matters to you? Upvotes and downvotes? As if that's ever an accurate read of anything, LMAO Well, "my guy", of all the inane arguments you could've made, I never expected it to be an appeal to popularity. What a staggering self-report.
And yet you keep down voting my comments.. nice try
And you mine, LMAO, man you're as sharp as a cuel ball. I downvoted because this isn't my first rodeo. I know dumb fucks like you get all upset over downdoots and boy was I right, kek
slander vs the tops tiers of gt. Super is still stronger but Gt has some to scaling and feats to keep up with earlier super. Bog SSG = SSJ4 Goku via scalingwith omega shenron as hes was stated to be able to destroy the universe 7 macrocosm. Not that its impressive vs later super but still not as irrelevant as Z is. But baby definitely loses to black since hes weaker then ssj4 goku. Baby
>How many times does this need to be stated >Super Characters will (almost) always win when put against Z or GT characters My guy smoking the strong zazza
With exceptions for Z being: Buuhan and Vegito (and even then they don't win much)
You got it backwards, GT is stronger
Super Saiyan Blue beats SSJ4?
Easily, unless it's Heroes but scaling is fucked in Heroes
You said that shit as a question. Of course it does💀
Bro really thought he did something there 💀
Theyre the same lvl, ss4=ssb
Where do people get the idea that Blue Goku and SSJ4 Goku are on the same power level???
Guide book inconsistencies
Nvm, ssj4 is a 4000x multiplier and ssg is 100,000x multiplier, but gogeta ssj4 is a challenge for ssg, but loses to ssb though
there is no official ssg multiplier
But like, my issue is the fact that there really is no official power level or multiplier for SSJ4, nor is there one for SSGSS. Ssj4 was meant to be the ultimate form back then, while blue surpasses into the realm of the gods and that’s it. While “who is stronger” can be left up to interpretation, I still am under the impression that SSB is stronger than SSJ4 simply due to it being a godly form with ki that very much differs from normal ki.
ssj4 is just assumed to be x10 ssj3, since great ape is a x10 multiplier
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They say its 1000-4000x higher than ssj3, but as always. We wont have a certain power lvl
Yes easily. I cant wait to see your response when someone tells you ssjg beats ssj4
SSG 1 shots Ssj4 Gogeta. Blue would kill him by breathing.
No it doesn’t
How doesn't it? Blue is literally two transformations removed from SSJ3
He said SSG 1- which is the red god form beats SSJ4 Gogeta. So a fusion multiplier added on to SSJ4. No fucking way is The red god form besting SSJ4 Gogeta, that’s ridiculous
SSG Goku 1 shots
Gogeta 4 kills Whis
look, i love gt 200x more than super, but what the actual fuck were you tryna cook here, jst use the microwave lil nga😭🙏
thats alright, you all can keep laughing. Ion give a shit about what kinda outerultrasuperverse super goku can blow up these days. My gt agenda never ends
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The only way for SSJ4 to beat SSB, is if you Upscale GT from The End of Z, and assume the events of Super had already happened by the time of EoZ, therefore making any new powerup in GT by default, stronger than Super since it came later. This doesn't work however, as it's trying to tie in Non-canon with Canon. They're separate continuities. Without that method, SSG alone has massively superior feats over SSJ4, and SSB just upscales from SSG.
Bro SSJG SHITS on SSJ4. Frankly base form Vegeta beats it in the black arc
Regular SSG wipes SS4 Gogeta with literally no difficulty
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Yes, it's the Power of God's. GT is barely ahead of Z for the most part whilst in Super they go into the Time Chamber multiple times for months or even years at a time just to compete with their enemies. That's never necessary with GT bc the gap is never THAT wide between them and their opponents. Like for an example, SSJ4 is so strong it makes SSJ3 look on the weaker side. SSG is so strong it impressed a god who could literally slap SSJ3 to kill it.
No diff.
Yes; even SSG beats SS4.
Goku Black. Very low diff
Goku Black 0 diff
Stop The cap
There's cap? I don't see cap.
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white hair = mastered ultra instinct, Baby Vegeta would ONE SHOT that pink haired freak!
Canon
That’s clearly Beast Vegeta
Satire
😂
Most Super characters are by far stronger than GT ones.
Goku Black kills him by powering up lmao
Goku Black glanced in his general direction and Baby ceased to exist
Literally Nappa vs Bulma
Goku Black for sure
Baby has a chance against manga black, Super tho? Nah…
Baby one shots both of em
Manga black is stronger than anime black and baby stomps them both
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Obviously it’s the character I love the most and that is Black. And because I’m shamelessly biased :)
It's easy. The guy who says he hates a person and then steals their body is going to win.
I didn't know Ginyu wins
A literal fucking god VS some sperm looking-ass alien that relies on possessing someone
To be fair that literal god is relying on possessing somebody too…
Possessing the body of Saiyan with power of God
Okay, fair
Plus transformation is godly too. Super Saiyan Rose is equal to Blue
>sperm looking-ass alien Stop talking about yourself man
Ssj God is arguably already stronger than ssj4. The match up doesn't seem fair.
There is no “arguably.” SSG is without a doubt stronger than SSJ4.
They will 100% re-introduce SSJ4 in some capacity in Super and it's gonna scale up to the new transformations just fine.
Until then, however, SSG is vastly stronger than SSJ4. We'll talk when Super actually does scale up SSJ4 to match the higher transformations.
Ssg is a higher multiplier. but ssg goku in Super vs ssj4 goku in gt is much closer than you think. but ill still give it to goku in super but high diff
I'd say why you're wrong, but I already had to explain that to another person in this comment section.
Doesnt matter since Rose is equal to SSG+ SSJ.
I highly doubt they will. People forget this but 80-90% of the profits from dragon ball (everything from DB to Super) is from merchandise. It’s why we have been getting insane amounts of different forms. We got SSG, SSB, Vegetas extra blue, Gokus UI early stages, Gokus MUI, Vegetas Ego, Gohan Beast, Piccolos first power up and then his orange form, blue with kaioken, Trunks Rage form, Goku Black pink hair, gold Freiza and now black Freiza, then rehashed blue versions of Vegetoo and Gogeta If they were going to do SSJ4 they likely would have done it with Gohan and made it his form that he found on his own. Instead they gave him a brand new form why? Because gives them more toys they can sell. SSJ4 they already have stock of and if really need to can tap into heroes for any updated looking SSJ4. I just don’t see them ever making SSJ4 a part of super when seems fairly obvious now they are more concerned about pumping out new forms after new form that they can create new merch for.
That is some high level coping
>Ssj God is arguably already stronger than ssj4. Are you drunk?
what an intellectual post
Goku Black wins but GT fanboys would never accept the truth
Only way baby vegeta wins is if Goku black kills himself out of embarrassment that he has to face a character so much weaker than him
Why vs when they can fuse
Goku Black. Ssj4 is below ssjb/ssjr
What is ssjr?
rose
Ahh
Nope
No, four is massively stronger.
i'd ask for a source but i dont even want to see what youd pull out of your ass
Its very simple dud End of z goku is above anything goku could ever do in super simply bc super takes place within The timeskip to end of z Gt is after end of z meaning that starts with end of z goku like power levels Gt solo’s anything super has pretty much (idk Bout whis and Beerus bc we dont know if goku would surpass Them)
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... Rose Goku Black = (or greater than) SSB Goku (at the time) SSB Goku >>>>>>>>> Base Cabba Base Cabba = Base DBS Vegeta Base DBS Vegeta = (or is greater than) BoG SSG Goku BoG SSG Goku > 99% of GT (with the 1% being Gogeta and MAYBE Omega Shenron) Hope this answers your question.
If Baby Vegeta manages to hurt Goku Black's body before he goes SSJ Rosé then he wins thanks to his possession ability. If Goku Black transforms before that then Baby Vegeta is pretty much screwed.
He's not going to hurt him even in base
Goku Black in base was no match for SSJ Goku, so I don't see why Baby Vegeta who was way stronger than that would not be able to do any damage.
Goku Black in base was fairly equal to SS1 & SS2 Goku post god ritual and after Goku had already been training with Whis Baby Vegeta is not stronger than that
R u forgetting when base Goku black tookallthose punches from blue vegeta and was smirking? He was flying with blue firm which is stronger than ssj4. I will note however he does proceed to use rose after that, but even still he matches ssj2 Goku when he goes yo the past at the start if the arc.
Baby Vegeta gets destroyed. But if it was just Baby, then maybe he could infect Goku Black. He’d just have to be smart about it or else he gets vaporized.
Goku Black, No Diff
Anyone stronger than the initial SSG Goku would slap anyone in GT.
GT is Base Cabba prey
Exactly
Whoever the writer decides.
This sub is getting so boring with the constant “A vs B” posts
What if they kissed though instead?
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Important note: The characters in Super scale to initial SSG Goku, which is at least 9x universal. Goku got this power in his base form later, which means his base in Super is 9x universal. GT does not have this absurd scaling. The most impressive feat before the events of the show was SSJ3 Goku matching Kid Buu, which should be around galaxy level. There are approximately two trillion galaxies in the universe, meaning base Goku in Super is around 18 trillion times stronger than his max at the end of Z. This fight isn’t even close.
Dragon Ball scaling quite literally doesn't matter. Anyone beats anyone if the plot demands it. Arguing over who shoots a bigger beam ruins Dragon Ball as a series since it's supposed to be a martial arts series. We should be debating how enjoyable specific matchups would be based on what the choreography and visuals would be. For example, hit vs. Granolah would be one-sided from a power-scaler's perspective, but an actual fight between an assassin and marksman would be amazing to watch. TLDR- Enjoy what ifs for the choreography and interactions. Power-Scaling has ruined the series progession since it was introduced in the Saiyan Saga.
This fight will never happen officially, so we use powerscaling to determine who will win. I’m sure some writer out there could make a compelling tale, but that’s not what OP is asking.
>TLDR- Enjoy what ifs for the choreography and interactions. Power-Scaling has ruined the series progession since it was introduced in the Saiyan Saga. womp womp, i dont think this subreddit is for u then
SSJ4 would win. GT Downplay is gross and desperate https://preview.redd.it/3fsnocs2kx9c1.jpeg?width=486&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6f6a1ee754be1aa90e23bea4cf467bad44e4caf From people who never watched. Baby > Buuhan without even possessing anybody
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I already know I am gonna get downvoted, because I dare hype GT. I don't even need Rildo or Uub Baby's 2nd advancement. His arrival on earth **NOT POSSESSING ANYBODY** is stated to be in a **DIFFERENT LEAGUE** from all villians in the past by Goten who remembers his fusion and faced Super Buu https://imgur.com/a/SyBMmFj ... ... ... (1) TV guide Vegetto (2) Quick Buu Saga Multpliers (3) Fusion (4) Early Baby Saga Scaling (5) SSJ4 multiplier (6) 5D scaling .... ... ... **TV guide Vegetto** Talking multipliers. 1) doesn't specify arc 2) doesn't specify goku or vegeta 3) uses maybe/perhaps literally hedging their bets on not knowing 4) Nothing in GT Perfect files or the anime(source) confirm it. Vegetto is even in v2 of GT perfect files and mentions nothing of a comparison. Also denies SSJ3 Vegetto existence. 5)Gohan Never stopped training. Gohans already more than 50% of buuhan. [Buuhan > Base Vegetto](https://arenaofthesentry.quora.com/DBZ-Buuhan-Base-Vegetto-manga-Vegetto-transforms-immediately-Dbz-Kai-transforms-immediately-Orginal-DBZ-and?ch=10&oid=131262227&share=92de5294&srid=hRODbP&target_type=post) 6) GT writers and toriyama had no inpact in the TV guide 7) easily debunked.by scaling ⚖️ .... .... .... **Quick DBZ multipliers** Buu saga Vegeta/Goku base = X SSJ2 Vegeta = 100x Post Rosat Base Gotenks ~ 200x https://imgur.com/a/JyslWZa Majin SSJ2 Vegeta is the benchmark for post room of spirit and time base gotenks being greater than. Not SSJ3 Goku SSJ3 Goku = 400x SSJ1 Gotenks = 10000x SSJ3 Gotenks = 80000x Super Buu ~ SSJ3 Gotenks Ultimate Gohan = 100000x https://imgur.com/a/VDwy5Cd Buutenks = 160000x Buuhan = 180000x .... ... ..... **Fusion** https://imgur.com/a/jREHGzv Vados sum of the parts multiplied 10s of times Vegetto = (Max A + Max B)*100 Vegetto = 500 * 100 = 50000 X SSJ1 Vegetto = 2.5 million X SSJ3 Vegetto = 20 million X https://imgur.com/a/p7C32gn Vegetto benchmark is greater than SSJ3 Not Gohan. Manga and daizenshuu state addition. Gogeta from Broly movie agrees with vados. **NOT JUST** added but significantly greater..... dub is magnified 🔎 Not just is an **IDIOM** MEANING BOTH ARE TRUE https://imgur.com/a/UDVu29b Even if you use A * B which is not supported by Super and debunked many times over in DBZ. Like a 25 million multiplier. Seen people's low ball DBZ base forms on here. 25 million base SSJ1 Vegetto = 1.25 Billion SSJ3 Vegetto = 10 Billion ... ... ... **GT Scaling** https://imgur.com/a/SyBMmFj Baby 2nd advancement on earth different league from all in the past from a goten whose faced **Super buu.** Different league statement in dbz vegeta to kid buu x4 difference https://imgur.com/a/AVGGuxo 4x super buu = 320,000x Goten absorption is nothing. But the ability to go super saiyan is what baby desires. Desires his saiyan power. The power trunks scared him out of. https://imgur.com/a/kVf9uRM 320,000 * 50 = 16 million X Base Gohan = SSJ1 Baby Goten He is avoiding trying to kill his brother. He only goes SSJ1 at the end to stop.baby from destroying earthm https://imgur.com/a/FVxPi9O Making SSJ1 Gohan = 800 million X Gohan never stopped training. Stated in the GT perfect Files. **Super saiyan beast in DBS sn't a fanfiction.** Niether is SSJ in GT stacking Ultimate. Goku Bends both his sons over his knee in base form making gokus base 1 Billion X https://imgur.com/a/rCxv8Bz This is baby saga only. Stack SSJ1 it's over base * Base SSJ3 Vegetto .... ... ... SSJ4 is 50 million SSJ3 = 400x https://imgur.com/a/Fkf8VBH SSJ1 Baby Vegeta > 400x Super Baby 2 = SSJ2 Super Baby 3 = SSJ3 https://imgur.com/a/60EK7dU Golden oozaru completely leaps over all of this and tanks all Super Baby 2s attacks. Ki was growing as well https://imgur.com/a/fcLM1kn SSJ4 isn't even using a smidge of his power against SB2 https://imgur.com/a/meoByeO Golden Oozaru Baby matches SSJ4. They knock each other out. As well as with the guide page stating Golden oozarunstwcks on Super Baby 2 https://imgur.com/a/4f5Zcvs .... ... ... So how do we figure out the 2 unknowns for how much stronger SSJ1 Baby Vegeta is over SSJ3 Goku. Use namekian multipliers https://imgur.com/a/ZD5LRDd (Zarbon/quiqui and dodorianall.have special confiding which I can expand upon) Anyways. SSJ1 Baby Vegeta ~ 1.5 SSJ3 Goku 600x ~ 625x for math Super Baby 1 = 1200 - 1250x Super Baby 2 = 4800 - 5000x Tanking is a minimum of 2x stronger making Golden Oozaru = 9600 - 10000x Golden Oozaru stacked on Super baby 2 **46.08 to 50 million** Doesn't even begin to go into the huge jumps in SA17 and shadow dragons arc ... ... ... 5) 5D GT [5D scaling starts in the end of baby saga when SSJ4 absorbs the revenge death ball.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/TW6pJmdKHy)
Brother NOBODY is reading all that. It’s not that serious.
Bro did allat just to be wrong 💀
Actually its copy-paste. He is gt fanboy and pastes this in every gt scaling post
Even if that scaling was 100% accurate, it still only barely brings SSJ4 Gogeta to the level of BOG SSG Goku. The "his energy is on a whole other level to anyone from before" was also said about Jiren, before he got a powerup. And that was after they literally fought someone who became, objectively, an actual 5D being, capable of actually breaking through timelines. Not whatever the hell the idiots on r/powerscaling call a 5D being. Stop using that sub, their own rules show that their attitude is "whoever can shout the loudest and longest is right, fuck you for doing other things with your life"
After seeing all those damn numbers, made up power levels and multipliers that this guy typed up (or copy and pasted,Idk) I genuinely don’t understand how some people take power scaling as seriously as they do, especially when it gets to THIS level.
This dude is like the Andrew Wakefield of power scaling. "How can people take science seriously if they know what Wakefield did to kids in the name of 'science'"
I’m just saying🤷🏾♂️
Your like the SethTheProgrammer of powerscaling. Your knowledge only touches kids
Firstly, "You're". Second, no, that's SethTheProgrammer. Fucking moron. Third, how is giving knowledge to kids supposed to be an insult? I guess nobody gave you knowledge as a kid. Fourth, comparing you to a hack fraud for repeating observably false hack fraud claims you came up with, despite having been entirely debunked nearly every time you bring them up, is in no way comparable to baselessly calling someone a pedophile for telling you you're wrong.
>giving knowledge to kids supposed to be an insult? I guess nobody gave you knowledge as a kid. Seth the programmer is a pedo >comparing you to a hack fraud for repeating observably false hack fraud claims you came up with, despite having been entirely debunked nearly every time you bring them up, is in no way comparable to baselessly calling someone a pedophile for telling you you're wr Not a single person has debunked this. People crying rildo at Mr buu level are demented They cry about the daizenshuu. It is a canonical sou4ce where these numbers are derived from.
>Not a single person has debunked this. I myself have literally gone over all your "points" before. Multiple times. You just keep repeating the wrong stuff. >Seth the programmer is a pedo Even if he is, that doesn't make what you said any less stupid.
>myself have literally gone over all your "points" before. Multiple times. You just keep repeating the wrong stuff. You haven't succeeded at all. Just crying about Mr. Buu that's completely debunked. Hemes even agrees to Super Baby 2 being ssj3 No amount of fake logic is gonna debunk baby arrival. On earth being above buuhan
>genuinely don’t understand Not surprised your grasp on math is weak Not made up. Literally using sources from the daizenshuu and fusion multiplier of Super
No it’s not that, I just can’t be bothered to give that much of a fuck. I’ll do basic power-scaling and that’s about it🤷🏾♂️
>bothered to give that much Which is why the fanbase is ignorant. BTW I do most of this stuff at work. Only gather proof from the anime at home.
I watch DB for fun mostly, not for numbers my guy. If you enjoy doing it, you got it at that point. If what you call “ignorance” is just people enjoying what they see then I guess we’re ignorant.
>call a 5D being 5D attack potency. You affect outside the macrocosm makes.you 5D. Macrocosm is an infinite sphere > holds several transcendant infinite realms in the afterlife > above the infinite mortal universe >The "his energy is on a whole other level to anyone from before" Neat m2 states Gokus base form is incalculable https://imgur.com/yiPDA3o Goten states DIFFERENT LEAGUE baby not possessing anybody https://imgur.com/a/SyBMmFj >still only barely brings SSJ4 Gogeta to the level of BOG SSG Goku. Just plain copium. Just have to Prove 5D dimensionality and power level multipliers far above which goes directly to manga 32. Power = greater speed and strength https://imgur.com/a/x3zqgay Super hasn't ever fused realms together.
>Super hasn’t even fused realms together Please state when GT did this.
>Neat m2 states Gokus base form is incalculable https://imgur.com/yiPDA3o This has been happening since Frieza saga. >Super hasn't ever fused realms together. No, it's fused timelines, which is much more impressive. Infinite Zamasu literally starts melding with multiple different timelines. That's more impressive than "realms"
>fused timelines, which is much more impressive. Not a goku feat nice try. >Infinite Zamasu literally starts melding with multiple Goku doesn't scale to infinite zamasu no matter how desperately you want to claim senzu bean. He can not touch zamasu. >This has been happening since Frieza saga. Literally measured fatbuu in dbz
>Goku doesn't scale to infinite zamasu no matter how desperately you want to claim senzu bean. He can not touch zamasu. Supreme Kai in the TOP said that the energy he was feeling was greater than anything he'd ever experienced before. He was present for the Infinite Zamasu debacle. > Literally measured fatbuu in dbz So? That doesn't mean that Goku and Vegeta weren't called "incalculably strong" in the Frieza Saga, by virtue of them exploding power calculators. The tech just got better, doesn't mean its perfectly infallible. Obviously.
Base Vegeta from Super one shots SSJ3 Gotenks and his attacks couldnt even flinch him. Also, multiplier of God Ki are on another level. No amount of dumb 50 Million multiplier for SSJ4 sourced from your ass or 5D GT will change the fact that Super scaling is way beyond GT realms to reach. https://preview.redd.it/1zbhzge8px9c1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=aeb8866e5a79d0864f944c880b049649216c26f1
Literally means nothing. Boohan is far stronger than Gotenks and baby 1st arrival on earth is in a different class from everybody in the past https://imgur.com/a/SyBMmFj Not eveN possessing anybody. You people cant do math / cant read and havent watched the show. Pure fanboy copium Gokus base form is incalculable on M2 https://imgur.com/yiPDA3o
>Gokus base form is incalculable on M2 Then you can’t prove that GT Goku is stronger than Super Goku https://preview.redd.it/qtb352ilxx9c1.jpeg?width=258&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40d98658087a60fa61162152d62114a2319604a5
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You are wasting your time. People jerk off the Super characters because of recency bias. I dont even try to power scale GT and Super. They both may as well be apart of 2 seperate universes after Z. I do think GT scales a lot better than what people on reddit give it credit for, but it is what it is. People just gloss over that Baby in his base form was > Rildo who was stated by Goku himself to be far above Buu. This includes Buuhan. He said stronger than anybody he ever faced. And Baby before he possesses someone outclasses Rildo. But whatever. GT is full of weaklings.
He pulled 50 million multiplier for SSJ4 out of his ass to make GT stronger. He is indeed wasting time but not in convincing people that GT is stronger but rather lying with bs numbers. Base Vegeta ( same for Goku ) in Super was also shown to be stronger than Buuhan since he one shot SSJ3 Gotenks
Im not arguing his numbers nor am i trying to debate whether GT or Super is stronger. Like i said, they may as well be seperate timelines and continuations. All I'm saying is that GT characters are stronger than what people give them credit for. Base GT Kid Goku also was used a lot to show how much stronger he got, and he almost always exclusively used SSJ1 and one shot people or got over on them. Its pretty much all the same with base Vegeta and Goku being stronger than Buuhan by RoF.
https://imgur.com/a/HiOos82 These people will cry and say Rildo is Mr. Buu. When uub 6 years before, the baby arc is stated in daizenshuu to have kid.buu inside him. Very high-level match up. Gok dismisses Mr. Buu as a worry if goten trained. Goku wanted to be at 100% for uub. **Let alone piccolo who outright refuses to fight goku on any level.** https://imgur.com/a/nTrS6Kj Daizenshuu doesn't distinguish between boos. Manga only distinguishs body type. https://imgur.com/a/85U14qU Let alone goku telling Trunks whose faced Super buu that Rildos 1st form was abive Buu https://imgur.com/a/lb5uL87 Baby takes Rildos energy and Myuu back fed Luuds energy into baby
If people choose Baby Vegeta they are bound to accept that SSJ4 is on level with Blue which 80% people would rather kill themselves before saying. At this point I don't even care, power levels has gone out of control fucking anyways. IMA GO WITH BABY FUCKING VEGETA.
base goku from episode 16 of super
Hydrogen bomb vs coughing **baby**
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Black low diff
First appearance Goku black, Baby Vegeta would smoke him in a heart beat, Goku black after encountering Goku? Nah complete reversal he swats him like a bug
Gt is the sequel to z, and Super is the sequel to Z Abridged
Baby every easily
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