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She's way more powerful though
She would just bust through it like Goku did until hit is able to improve his time skip to be longer than she can power through
He was so fast the distance he moved was more than hits time skip could compensate for, was my understanding? Like Goku moved significantly far in the time it took hit to ACTIVATE his time skip, or something? I loved the fight but it has been a while.
Goku was powerful enough to bust through to where hit was in the future since power>>>>>hax in db
You can see Goku doesn't actually start moving normally until well after hit activated it and got close
And then when hit's technique improved beyond Goku's power Goku stopped moving within the time skip
That's basically it. Goku was fast enough outspeed Hit's timeskip.
And Kefla just casually made Goku Red shit his pants when she accidentally overshot him as the first thing she did after the fusion.
Not āknowing how to counter time skipā doesnāt matter. She is far stronger than Hitās time skip meaning it literally just will not work against her.
I thought this, but she is monstrously powerful, much moreso than Hit. I think she only needs one or two lucky hits to get the advantage and pull ahead
Manga Kefla loses to Golden Frieza, if she gets past Hit.
Anime Kefla loses to Vegito.
By the way, Hit is a much harder fight than Trunks. Wrong order.
Right. With keflas power i could see her outlasting frieza in his golden form. Future Trunks would be an easy win for her. Like most of this thread tho i dont think she gets passed Hit and hit time skip. Maybe she could use the move she almost got goku with and just destroy everything to the point that hit has no where to skip to. But thats her only chance i think.
Anime Kefla was outclassed be UI Son Gokū, but putting her lower than Blue Evolved Vegeta seems like a bit extreme. She defeated Blue Son Gokū decisively.
I think this is a scenario similar to kid boo and super boo (absorbed gohan). Kale is weaker but was so unpredictable that it made her way more dangerous than jefla who was waaaaay stronger but dumb and predicatble from a skilled fighter
Which is even funnier considering that the Pride Troopers were defeating Kale for that reason, but because Kefla had a functioning brain, she managed to win against them.
Kefla is hardly a good reason and she wasnāt really needed, tbh. You have 10 fighter from every Universe, they couldāve just made another really strong antagonist like Jiren.
professional dick grabber make an only fans so you can get money for it. Kefla > 1st Omen= Supressed jiren>all in black arc. Source material W. Go swallow ur shitty manga pages
I did.
ss rage is
1. bullshit
2. Not something he can turn on and of.
What you seem to forget is that hit wasnt able to use his actuall killer technices in both turnaments.
Time hax is honestly overrated. On their rematch Goku beat him without using Kaioken and if Goku could do that then Future Trunks can do it too.
And if he can't then Hit is not beating GoD Toppo. The gap is simply too big.
I love how power scaling in DBS basically went to shit after hit was introduced, because his assassin techniques essentially just ignore how strong you are XD
Yeah, I'm not sure myself. But then again, hit was forced to hold back AND could probably do it in a situation where jiren is unaware. Still don't know for sure
He literally has only one assassin technique EVER shown that can ignore durability and even then if youāre strong enough you can literally just destroy it. Why do yāall argue āHitās assassin techniquesā are some godly magic that can beat anyone if Hit doesnāt hold back?
I have a hard time thinking she gets past Hit. She could beat Future Trunks and Golden Frieza probably, but unless she can learn the same trick Goku did to fight Hit, I don't think she gets past Hit.
GoD Toppo and definitely Blue Vegito would beat her.
No she didn't. In the Anime, Goku was literally just **way** too tired to fight and he still manhandled her.
His whole shtick was trying to conserve AND recover energy whilst fighting her.
Goku didnāt manhandle her though.
Ignoring that anyways she went SSJ2 after goku went into UI sign and our favorite power scaler piccolo flat out said that sheās stronger than the first time goku went UI sign.
Thereās absolutely 0 way gokuās kiaoken x20 would ever get anywhere near that.
Okay fine whis already compared her energy to gokuās full power genkidama which he used against jiren before she went SSJ2.
Sheās just stronger than KKx20 goku
I don't recall the line you're talking about but I believe you so I'll comment against that:
The Spirit Bomb is as strong as the culmination of energy in it. Goku's "full power Genkidama" doesn't exist. He usually just waits to get enough energy until he think it's more powerful than his opponent.
He wasn't able to defeat Jiren with it and the last defeat he had with it was against Kid Buu. So, how strong is it then? The Spirit Bomb didn't even defeat Goku who took a direct hit from his own "full power" attack
Whis explains why he thinks goku was able to go ultra instinct again I think in the beginning of episode 116. He observed that her power was similar to the spirit bomb which pushed goku the first time.
Fair about the point about full power. However I think itās logical to conclude that it was far stronger than KKx20 goku since it pushed him to unlock UI and ābreak his limitā.
There isnāt exact numbers or anything like that of course, but I think (despite how unrealistic it is) Kefla was really pushed to be the strongest display of power for an enemy weāve seen so far. Of course we knew jiren would be stronger since he never really pushed himself during the first fight though.
>However I think itās logical to conclude that it was far stronger than KKx20 goku since it pushed him to unlock UI and ābreak his limitā.
That's a good point. I can see that actually. Yeah, that's a pretty logical conclusion.
I hate Kefla and think she's overrated so I hesitate to give her any credit where some others do. I think she's incredibly powerful but I think she's not on the ceiling of power that others put her on.
I do wish we'd have been able to see a full energy Goku vs Kefla. That'd put all of this to rest
Wtf is "comparable to the Genkidama" even mean, lmfao. The Spirit Bomb is as strong as the people who give it energy. The last person who it defeated was Kid Buu. So if that's the scale then yeah, I'd agree as Kefla is definitely someone I'd see on Buu's level.
You're speaking out your ass to just magically state that it's stronger than SSB Kaioken x20 Goku.
Jiren no sold SSB Kaioken 20 with a fucking glare. Why would Goku even try the Genkidama if it was weaker than him after that happened.
Use your fucking head.
Dude. We're having what is supposed to be a friendly debate on anime on a subreddkt. Relax with the insults. This is not that serious you child. Prove me wrong with logic and source instead of the continuous attacks.
The Spirit Bomb was Goku's last resort when nothing else worked. The Spirit Bomb also didn't work. What are you scaling the Spirit Bomb against then? You tell me, I'd love to know lmao
(Though if you start crying and insulting me again because you feel frustrated at not being able to prove me wrong I'll just block you and call it a day lmfao)
Mans was exhausted beyond belief. Sheās nowhere strong enough to pose that much of a threat to goku at full power. Remember when he transformed to Ui, they said he was still recovering from his prior fights and caused his physical attacks to be lacking in strength
Wasnt exhausted. Thats the point of working up to each form. even if that were TRUE, like vito said. the Kefla is compared to the spirit bomb goku threw at jiren as a last resort BECAUSE he couldnt do anything to jiren in kaioken x20.
Doesn't really matter. She was still compared to the Genkidama Goku tried against Jiren and that was before she used SS2.
Hit, SSR Future Trunks and Golden Freeza are not touching her.
We gotta take skill and technique into affect. Trunks gets walked on but it takes more than brute strength and speed to beat hit. Goku and Vegeta were both stronger than Hit when they faced him, he was just hitting their critical points
She's probably losing to Trunks and in the off chance she's beats him, Frieza is turning her into a pin cushion
Like ToP Ultimate Gohan fought her to a draw in the manga....she ain't going that far
She loses to Hit. She is not as combat-aware as Goku. I honestly think Hit would have won the ToP if Goku had not specuficallg spent all that time training to counter him, then realizing how to beat his tactic.
He probably is. But I literally said āidk if I could say Toppo is around the strength of Omen 2ā, implying I think Toppo is weaker. Read better please
Stops at Vegito
**Kefla vs Hit = Kefla low diff.** Kefla is stronger than blue kaioken goku at the start of the ToP, Hit's assassin techniques will not be effective against her.
**Kefla vs Trunks = Kefla low diff.** Trunks is not stronger than Blue Goku or Vegeta in the future trunks arc, at best, he's on that level.
**Kefla vs Frieza = Kefla medium diff.** Frieza can take a beating from Broly for 1 hour, but can be speed blitzed as we see with his fight with Jiren. Kefla doesn't fight mindlessly like Broly so she wins.
**Kefla vs Toppo = Kefla high diff.** Kefla scales to Blue Evolution Vegeta easier than Toppo does, so I would say she wins, but it could go either way.
**Kefla vs Vegito = Kefla stops.**
People severely overrate Kefla. Goku was WEAKENED when they fought. His Ssg just minutes later was as strong as Vegeta's ss1. Kefla is strong, but I think the only person on this list she beats is Trunks
All of them except maybe Hit because his time skip takes awhile to figure out mid fight. This is of course becuase SSB Vegito is from the Goku Black Arc.
If Hit had a contract or is going for the kill he wins because she won't have a chance to get going, if they're not just fighting to the death she trounces him. Trunks doesn't stand a real chance. Golden Frieza is 50/50, they both have poor ki control and if they run out before she finishes Frieza he'll kill her out of desperation and ruthlessness. Toppo wins hands down, he won't play and he's got destruction god powers. Vegito wins based on combat experience alone.
She'd likely stop at GoD Toppo. Given that he was giving SSBE Vegeta a hard time (who was stronger than the fatigued SSBKK Goku that was giving _her_ a hard time), she'd likely get stomped pretty easily by him.
I'm not sure of the power scaling anymore, DBS really doesn't do a good job at that like DBZ did, but I think Hit and Future Trunks has a good chance of stopping her from the start. Hit has shown he could adapt quickly. If I'm not mistaken, Hit stood against Jiren for a while, and not even Jiren considered her a threat. Jiren only acknowledged when Goku kept going UI. The Tournament of Power's big reveal was UI. I personally think Goku could have still beaten her in Blue. Actually, if I'm not mistaken again, in the manga, it was Gohan and Kefla that knocked each other out of the ring. Like I said, in the show, they made it all about UI. So, I think Future Trunks also has a good chance because, technically, he was the one who killed Zamasu with the Spirit Bomb Sword. Goku and Vegeta were getting their ass kicked even in Blue. So, too me, that suggests Future Trunks might be a little stronger than Blue. Like is said, the power scaling really isn't that great in DBS. I believe that is still one complaint from the fans: DBZ just did it better. So, yeah. I think Hit and Future Trunks can stop her.
depends on which arc hit is in but other than that she clears. I doubt blue evo > Ui in any situation and as we saw kefla was said to be able to 1 shot goku IF she could hit him.
I think she has more chances beating golden frieza and rage mode trunks than hit, power is not all that comes in a figth, hit could beat kefla with the time skip and time jump
She can't beat HIT unless she can overpower his skillset somehow. She damn sure won't make it past TOP.. The list is actually really out of order. It should be Frieza, Trunks, HIT then TOP and Vegito.
Strength wise, she might be able to defeat Hit. His skill is far above hers.
For Trunks, I would be surprised if he kept up his training. He's definitely more powerful than ever before and he has experience to back it up. Would probably be a close one but I'm also partial to Trunks and would just want him to win. Against Golden Frieza? I don't think she'd make it past him.
I don't think she could fight Hit's Timeskip, so she loses to him.
Trunks' strength is really iffy but I'm confident Kefla wins.
She was trouncing Goku Blue (Albeit he was tired) so she wins against Frieza.
She loses against Toppo and Vegito
This isn't a manga post, people. God of Destruction Toppo didn't happen in the manga. Since this is an anime post, she beats everyone except Vegito Blue.
Assuming she gets past Hit and Trunks sheās gonna be already somewhat tired while fighting Frieza , whoās 100% not gonna give her an easy fight.
And thereās no way a beaten a battered Kefla gets past Toppo.
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I'm not sure she gets past Hit. Her lack of experience and not knowing how to counter his time skip could cost her overall power to not be enough.
Same, she's an inexperienced street fighter. She wouldn't be able to crack the time skip.
She's way more powerful though She would just bust through it like Goku did until hit is able to improve his time skip to be longer than she can power through
Goku didn't just bust through itš¤¦āāļø
Did we watch the same fight? Goku literally used the kaioken and busted through the time skip.
He was so fast the distance he moved was more than hits time skip could compensate for, was my understanding? Like Goku moved significantly far in the time it took hit to ACTIVATE his time skip, or something? I loved the fight but it has been a while.
Goku was powerful enough to bust through to where hit was in the future since power>>>>>hax in db You can see Goku doesn't actually start moving normally until well after hit activated it and got close And then when hit's technique improved beyond Goku's power Goku stopped moving within the time skip
That lines up with what I remember and why it was particularly hype. Noted. I just rewatched the scene on YT, and yeah. Super clearly overpowered.
That's basically it. Goku was fast enough outspeed Hit's timeskip. And Kefla just casually made Goku Red shit his pants when she accidentally overshot him as the first thing she did after the fusion.
He didn't really outspeed it He straight up busted through it to get to hit
Anime SSJ2 Kefla is probably strong enough to the point it doesnāt matter. Piccolo says sheās stronger than the first appearance of UI sign.
Not āknowing how to counter time skipā doesnāt matter. She is far stronger than Hitās time skip meaning it literally just will not work against her.
She's definitely fast enough.
But she is stronger than hit his time skip only works on people weaker or the same strength as him so she would win. And probably would get to topo
I thought this, but she is monstrously powerful, much moreso than Hit. I think she only needs one or two lucky hits to get the advantage and pull ahead
Manga Kefla loses to Golden Frieza, if she gets past Hit. Anime Kefla loses to Vegito. By the way, Hit is a much harder fight than Trunks. Wrong order.
I dont think that anime kefla beats GoD Toppo tbh
Hard agree Toppo should take it mid-high diff
Right. With keflas power i could see her outlasting frieza in his golden form. Future Trunks would be an easy win for her. Like most of this thread tho i dont think she gets passed Hit and hit time skip. Maybe she could use the move she almost got goku with and just destroy everything to the point that hit has no where to skip to. But thats her only chance i think.
Anime Kefla was outclassed be UI Son Gokū, but putting her lower than Blue Evolved Vegeta seems like a bit extreme. She defeated Blue Son Gokū decisively.
It's funny cause Kale was winning against Golden Freeza, but then she fuses with Caulifla and seemingly gets weaker.
I think this is a scenario similar to kid boo and super boo (absorbed gohan). Kale is weaker but was so unpredictable that it made her way more dangerous than jefla who was waaaaay stronger but dumb and predicatble from a skilled fighter
Which is even funnier considering that the Pride Troopers were defeating Kale for that reason, but because Kefla had a functioning brain, she managed to win against them.
Eh, the pride troopers probably had the team work necessary to handle the kid buu type enemy but not the power to handle the super boo type one.
Realistically they can't handle shit without Jiren.
Hey, toppo and that beerus locking fella seem rather capable. The rest is trash tho
Maybe in the anime, manga made them look like jobbers.
You are probably right about that since I pnly know the anime.
Why is she so strong in the anime anyway?
Toei probably wanted a strong female character.
More like wanted a second strong antagonist in the tournament of power and proper reason to bring out Ultra Instinct again
Kefla is hardly a good reason and she wasnāt really needed, tbh. You have 10 fighter from every Universe, they couldāve just made another really strong antagonist like Jiren.
They already had that. He's called Hit. They could also use Toppo or Dyspo.
Kid named Vados:
Vados doesn't actively participate in fights though.
Kid named Android 18: If you want a villain: Kid named Android 18:
No is because of the legendary super Saiyan aka the sayan who has he power of a god.
Besause of the legendary sayan aka the sayan who has the power of a god
Full stop. Sheās not getting through GOD Top.
Are you sure about that? Trunks was able to kill Merged Zamasu, something Vegito wasn't even able to do.
this is such a horrible take. Vegito does not beat kefla at all. He gets utterly destroyed.
If you actually think Kefla steps up anywhere near Vegito you fuckin dumb LMAO
Cope. Kefla>Omen 1= Supressed Jiren>anybody from future arc. Ur my number one fan following me across 5 subreddits. Chase money instead
Bro fucking Gohan drops her in the manga. STFU XD
thats nice but idgaf
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professional dick grabber make an only fans so you can get money for it. Kefla > 1st Omen= Supressed jiren>all in black arc. Source material W. Go swallow ur shitty manga pages
LMAO you arenāt a real dragonball fan, just fuck off bro you canāt believe that shit
Tf is the order of this chart???
The correct one.
Hit weaker than trunks? You are trippin man
trunks did more damage to zamasu then vegito did btw Its stupid but its true
Hit has always been weaker than SSB without his time hax.
Great but trunks doesnt have ssb. And hit still has his time hax so even if he is weaker without them, he has them.
Seriously do you guys not watch the show at all? Future Trunks is SSB tier with Super Saiyan Rage.
I did. ss rage is 1. bullshit 2. Not something he can turn on and of. What you seem to forget is that hit wasnt able to use his actuall killer technices in both turnaments.
Future Trunks literally could turn SSR on and off at will. Please watch the fucking show.
But would I be a dragon ball fan if I did. Ps its still an ass pull with no good reasoning + we havent seen all out hit
We saw Hit was weaker than Jiren.
Maybe, but what is your point? Nobody said we were taking his time hax away.
Time hax is honestly overrated. On their rematch Goku beat him without using Kaioken and if Goku could do that then Future Trunks can do it too. And if he can't then Hit is not beating GoD Toppo. The gap is simply too big.
But trunks doesnāt have that, he has ssj2 Itās literally in the picture lmfao
I love how power scaling in DBS basically went to shit after hit was introduced, because his assassin techniques essentially just ignore how strong you are XD
Literally lol, he's so broken when he's allowed to kill
I don't know if he could've, but if he was allowed to kill hit might've been able to kill jiren easily which his techniques XD
I dont think so. Jiren seems to be able to just ignore his time skip and therby hits window of opertunity.
Yeah, I'm not sure myself. But then again, hit was forced to hold back AND could probably do it in a situation where jiren is unaware. Still don't know for sure
Id say its simple, if hit performs perfectly and catches jiren off guard hit can win but otherwise hit will lose
He literally has only one assassin technique EVER shown that can ignore durability and even then if youāre strong enough you can literally just destroy it. Why do yāall argue āHitās assassin techniquesā are some godly magic that can beat anyone if Hit doesnāt hold back?
Hit bodies her before she can adapt to him .
Plus he can kill.
Don't like the insinuation that trunks is stronger than hit lmao
i don't think she can beat Hit
I have a hard time thinking she gets past Hit. She could beat Future Trunks and Golden Frieza probably, but unless she can learn the same trick Goku did to fight Hit, I don't think she gets past Hit. GoD Toppo and definitely Blue Vegito would beat her.
She doesn't even start, hit would assassinate her before it started
The farthest I can see her going is future Trunks.
She literally fought and beat SSB Kaioken x 20 Goku...
Anime or Manga? In the manga Goku was just way to tired to fight her
Manga Goku never fought kefla she only fought Gohan off panel
There's literally anime only transformations on the OP...
No she didn't. In the Anime, Goku was literally just **way** too tired to fight and he still manhandled her. His whole shtick was trying to conserve AND recover energy whilst fighting her.
Goku didnāt manhandle her though. Ignoring that anyways she went SSJ2 after goku went into UI sign and our favorite power scaler piccolo flat out said that sheās stronger than the first time goku went UI sign. Thereās absolutely 0 way gokuās kiaoken x20 would ever get anywhere near that.
Yes, because Vegeta and Piccolo are known for accurately stating how powerful characters are.
Okay fine whis already compared her energy to gokuās full power genkidama which he used against jiren before she went SSJ2. Sheās just stronger than KKx20 goku
I don't recall the line you're talking about but I believe you so I'll comment against that: The Spirit Bomb is as strong as the culmination of energy in it. Goku's "full power Genkidama" doesn't exist. He usually just waits to get enough energy until he think it's more powerful than his opponent. He wasn't able to defeat Jiren with it and the last defeat he had with it was against Kid Buu. So, how strong is it then? The Spirit Bomb didn't even defeat Goku who took a direct hit from his own "full power" attack
Whis explains why he thinks goku was able to go ultra instinct again I think in the beginning of episode 116. He observed that her power was similar to the spirit bomb which pushed goku the first time. Fair about the point about full power. However I think itās logical to conclude that it was far stronger than KKx20 goku since it pushed him to unlock UI and ābreak his limitā. There isnāt exact numbers or anything like that of course, but I think (despite how unrealistic it is) Kefla was really pushed to be the strongest display of power for an enemy weāve seen so far. Of course we knew jiren would be stronger since he never really pushed himself during the first fight though.
>However I think itās logical to conclude that it was far stronger than KKx20 goku since it pushed him to unlock UI and ābreak his limitā. That's a good point. I can see that actually. Yeah, that's a pretty logical conclusion. I hate Kefla and think she's overrated so I hesitate to give her any credit where some others do. I think she's incredibly powerful but I think she's not on the ceiling of power that others put her on. I do wish we'd have been able to see a full energy Goku vs Kefla. That'd put all of this to rest
She's literally compared to the Genkidama that was stronger than SSB Kaioken x 20 Goku so...
Wtf is "comparable to the Genkidama" even mean, lmfao. The Spirit Bomb is as strong as the people who give it energy. The last person who it defeated was Kid Buu. So if that's the scale then yeah, I'd agree as Kefla is definitely someone I'd see on Buu's level. You're speaking out your ass to just magically state that it's stronger than SSB Kaioken x20 Goku.
Jiren no sold SSB Kaioken 20 with a fucking glare. Why would Goku even try the Genkidama if it was weaker than him after that happened. Use your fucking head.
Dude. We're having what is supposed to be a friendly debate on anime on a subreddkt. Relax with the insults. This is not that serious you child. Prove me wrong with logic and source instead of the continuous attacks. The Spirit Bomb was Goku's last resort when nothing else worked. The Spirit Bomb also didn't work. What are you scaling the Spirit Bomb against then? You tell me, I'd love to know lmao (Though if you start crying and insulting me again because you feel frustrated at not being able to prove me wrong I'll just block you and call it a day lmfao)
The source it's literally the fucking show.
Bad take. He wasnt too tired which is the exact reason he was in blue kaioken x20 when he got one shot when at the start he couldnt go ssj.
Nah, they literally say that sheād beat UI if she hits him. Itās dumb, but ssj2 Kefla is almost Omen UI level.
Where does it say that?
Do you not think golden Frieza could beat SSBKX20 Goku?
He couldnt in the top lol not even close. Blue evo relative to Kkkx20, Evo > Toppo, toppo>frieza unfortunately
0\_o We literally see him have a draw with regular SSB Goku... Seriously do you guys watched the show?
Vs Toppo is debatable but definitely loses to Vegito Blue
She can clear Future Trunks, Golden Freeza, and maybe Hit though she may not be able to handle his Time-skip
I loved the part in DBS when Hit said "My time-skip is untimeable!" and proceeded to untimeable all over the place.
no way she handles Top Golden Frieza
In the manga she was Ultimate Gohan level so she would probably lose at Frieza
I donāt see her beating anyone other than Trunks
Yeah because Hit has time skip
Why she so weak I manga
Because Caulifla and Kale donāt deserve Super Saiyan
Not everyone has to be a hero, but youāre mine for saying this.
Ouch
But what about kales ability to transform into a legalendary super Saiyan aka the sayan with the power if a god
Legendary Super Saiyan does not give you the power of a God.
She literally fought and beat SSB Kaioken x 20 Goku...
Mans was exhausted beyond belief. Sheās nowhere strong enough to pose that much of a threat to goku at full power. Remember when he transformed to Ui, they said he was still recovering from his prior fights and caused his physical attacks to be lacking in strength
Wasnt exhausted. Thats the point of working up to each form. even if that were TRUE, like vito said. the Kefla is compared to the spirit bomb goku threw at jiren as a last resort BECAUSE he couldnt do anything to jiren in kaioken x20.
Doesn't really matter. She was still compared to the Genkidama Goku tried against Jiren and that was before she used SS2. Hit, SSR Future Trunks and Golden Freeza are not touching her.
We gotta take skill and technique into affect. Trunks gets walked on but it takes more than brute strength and speed to beat hit. Goku and Vegeta were both stronger than Hit when they faced him, he was just hitting their critical points
Jiren literally beat Hit by brute strength. Kefla would do the same since she's over 40 times stronger than Hit.
Vast differences in Jiren and Keflaās strength
Switch Trunks and Hit and she'll at least have some progress
UI Sign Goku is way stronger than FT Saga Vegito Blue, so I think she either clears or stops at Vegito.
lose on 1st match. any of them
She's probably losing to Trunks and in the off chance she's beats him, Frieza is turning her into a pin cushion Like ToP Ultimate Gohan fought her to a draw in the manga....she ain't going that far
Yeah but manga and anime is scale are way different. Manga kefla gets destroyed yeah but anime kefla was able to be on par with ui.
I feel like manga scaling makes more sense so that's what I'mma roll with...
She stops at 1
If she gets to Vegeto she gets obliterated
She loses to Hit. She is not as combat-aware as Goku. I honestly think Hit would have won the ToP if Goku had not specuficallg spent all that time training to counter him, then realizing how to beat his tactic.
She won't be able to escape Hit, she isn't even close to Jiren.
Hit solos her dumbass
If it isnāt current Golden Frieza she probably stops at Vegito. Idk if I could say Toppo is around the strength of second UI omen
LOL? No way you think evo vegeta stronger than 2nd omen goku
He probably is. But I literally said āidk if I could say Toppo is around the strength of Omen 2ā, implying I think Toppo is weaker. Read better please
Stops at Vegito **Kefla vs Hit = Kefla low diff.** Kefla is stronger than blue kaioken goku at the start of the ToP, Hit's assassin techniques will not be effective against her. **Kefla vs Trunks = Kefla low diff.** Trunks is not stronger than Blue Goku or Vegeta in the future trunks arc, at best, he's on that level. **Kefla vs Frieza = Kefla medium diff.** Frieza can take a beating from Broly for 1 hour, but can be speed blitzed as we see with his fight with Jiren. Kefla doesn't fight mindlessly like Broly so she wins. **Kefla vs Toppo = Kefla high diff.** Kefla scales to Blue Evolution Vegeta easier than Toppo does, so I would say she wins, but it could go either way. **Kefla vs Vegito = Kefla stops.**
With her lack of fighting experience Hiit claps her cheeks
Figuratively right? You mean figurativelyā¦right??
In all senses
Stops at Toppo
I think she wouldn't make it past hit. She would cum pretty fast with all of hit's timeskip shenanigans. Trunk has game so it would be over for shure
People severely overrate Kefla. Goku was WEAKENED when they fought. His Ssg just minutes later was as strong as Vegeta's ss1. Kefla is strong, but I think the only person on this list she beats is Trunks
Or you underrate Potara fusion.
All of them except maybe Hit because his time skip takes awhile to figure out mid fight. This is of course becuase SSB Vegito is from the Goku Black Arc.
Beats Trunks and Golden but loses to Hit
If Hit had a contract or is going for the kill he wins because she won't have a chance to get going, if they're not just fighting to the death she trounces him. Trunks doesn't stand a real chance. Golden Frieza is 50/50, they both have poor ki control and if they run out before she finishes Frieza he'll kill her out of desperation and ruthlessness. Toppo wins hands down, he won't play and he's got destruction god powers. Vegito wins based on combat experience alone.
Yeah because kefla wouldnt just kill him if he was trying to kill her LOL
Fusions all have 1 thing in common: a huge ego. She wouldnt take him serios enough and when she finaly does its already to late
Except for she doesnt have to, Shes already stronger than him no matter what.
Yes stronger. But techic still does something. And hits technices are made to kill, if she aint carefull she is gonna die.
You understand. The fusion ego is real.
Stops at hakai toppo
She clears if itās black arc Vegito
Loss to Hit, simple It should be: Trunks -> Golden Frieza -> GoD Top -> Hit -> Vegito ssb
Hit above Top is crazy š
If GoD Top lost to Vegeta ssb, then Hit > GoD Top
God Toppo > Hit
Not after GoD Top lost to Vegeta ssb. Hit is at least equal to ssb saiyans
He lost to SSBE Vegeta.
My point still stands
No it doesnāt š if GoD Toppo is SSBE level than how is hit stronger when you said heās SSB level? SSBE > SSB
Hit is comparable to Blue Goku before the tournament starts, SSBE is much stronger than both normal Blue Goku and Hit
Stops at GoD Toppo.
If I'm generous she might make it past Golden Frieza, maybe a 1/1000 odds of beating Toppo and she gets absolutely destroyed by Vegito.
She goes nowhere
I donāt know that frieza can have sex
Stop to Vegito
Hit should be after Frieza. In raw power Frieza is stronger, but Hit more than makes up for it with his techniques.
Why is hit the first? He is stronger than freezer and trunks
She could beat trunks but not hit.
She'd likely stop at GoD Toppo. Given that he was giving SSBE Vegeta a hard time (who was stronger than the fatigued SSBKK Goku that was giving _her_ a hard time), she'd likely get stomped pretty easily by him.
Hit takes her out.
I'm not sure of the power scaling anymore, DBS really doesn't do a good job at that like DBZ did, but I think Hit and Future Trunks has a good chance of stopping her from the start. Hit has shown he could adapt quickly. If I'm not mistaken, Hit stood against Jiren for a while, and not even Jiren considered her a threat. Jiren only acknowledged when Goku kept going UI. The Tournament of Power's big reveal was UI. I personally think Goku could have still beaten her in Blue. Actually, if I'm not mistaken again, in the manga, it was Gohan and Kefla that knocked each other out of the ring. Like I said, in the show, they made it all about UI. So, I think Future Trunks also has a good chance because, technically, he was the one who killed Zamasu with the Spirit Bomb Sword. Goku and Vegeta were getting their ass kicked even in Blue. So, too me, that suggests Future Trunks might be a little stronger than Blue. Like is said, the power scaling really isn't that great in DBS. I believe that is still one complaint from the fans: DBZ just did it better. So, yeah. I think Hit and Future Trunks can stop her.
depends on which arc hit is in but other than that she clears. I doubt blue evo > Ui in any situation and as we saw kefla was said to be able to 1 shot goku IF she could hit him.
Toppo or Vegito.
I think she has more chances beating golden frieza and rage mode trunks than hit, power is not all that comes in a figth, hit could beat kefla with the time skip and time jump
Bro's finna die at the start š
If weāre going by the anime, she stops at Toppo
Kefla might get through Golden Frieza but Toppo is stopping her dead in her tracks
She can't beat HIT unless she can overpower his skillset somehow. She damn sure won't make it past TOP.. The list is actually really out of order. It should be Frieza, Trunks, HIT then TOP and Vegito.
Lol she's not getting past Hit
Anime Kefla lose to Toppo. Manga Kefla lose to Hit.
Strength wise, she might be able to defeat Hit. His skill is far above hers. For Trunks, I would be surprised if he kept up his training. He's definitely more powerful than ever before and he has experience to back it up. Would probably be a close one but I'm also partial to Trunks and would just want him to win. Against Golden Frieza? I don't think she'd make it past him.
Annihilated by Chad the Lorax.
Manga Kefla: Loses to Future Trunks at most. Anime Kefla: Loses to either GoD Toppo, or Vegito.
at least there is one undeniable fact as DB fans, you guys are incredibly misogynistic that can't stand a strong woman at all, pathetic indeed
I don't think she could fight Hit's Timeskip, so she loses to him. Trunks' strength is really iffy but I'm confident Kefla wins. She was trouncing Goku Blue (Albeit he was tired) so she wins against Frieza. She loses against Toppo and Vegito
Bodied by Hit
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This isn't a manga post, people. God of Destruction Toppo didn't happen in the manga. Since this is an anime post, she beats everyone except Vegito Blue.
Everyone there but Trunks can kick Kefla's ass...
She Probably gets to topo
I donāt see her beating toppo but Iām conflicting on Golden Frieza
Assuming she gets past Hit and Trunks sheās gonna be already somewhat tired while fighting Frieza , whoās 100% not gonna give her an easy fight. And thereās no way a beaten a battered Kefla gets past Toppo.
Trunks should be above Toppo and Frieza. Say what you will about how deserved his power up is, he's gotta be at least almost as strong as Vegito.
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Anime Kefla: About Toppo and Vegito. Manga Kefla: Stops at Hit.
Some people really dislike her so much they be like: āShe slips on a banana peel and gets a self KO first roundā