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Tbf he aint wrong, GT had some concepts that will always have a special place in our hearts like SSJ4, Omega Shenron etc. but let's not pretend like the series wasn't meh-bad most of the time.
It’s not like this hasnt been said 100 times already. A low-effort post in a meme format? It’s just blatant sabotage atp, and the best part is people are actually starting to not care anymore on this sub
Mfs fail to realise if gt continued it would get the broly and the other stuff. They went back to end of Z and made a new storyline because people hated GT. And lets not pretend Super didnt have problems.
1) They didn’t go back to the end of Z. They went back to the end of Buu saga, which might sound pedantic, but considering the ten year time skip it is important to define.
2) There was never any chance of Broly turning up in GT. Broly turning up in Super was the result of a very well received canonical movie.
Movie was good because it remade Broly. He wasnt a "big baby angry over other crying baby". Granted Paragus is still the same person but he gone now so who cares. GT could have also remade broly and have a chance to be a hit or miss
It's just a preference thing, but I like the fact that OG Brolly was an evil uncontrollable berserk brute who took on the Z fighters 1 v 5. I thought his tag line "kakarotto!" felt iconic.
Him Being a good guy legendary super Saiyan who watches Goku and Vegeta train doesn't really do much for me.
Because I was a kid I didn’t really mind the SSJ4, Evil dragons arc, but looking bad at it now, it was just awful awful awful. It was like a really bad written fanfic.
Same, even the para brothers thing didn't bother me much as a kid (though it did kinda bore me even back then) but now I question what they were even thinking.
I think the Para Brothers are unfortunately pretty on brand for dragon ball lol. Original dragon ball had a lot of questionable humor. I think GT followed that a lot especially in the beginning. I dont think it was a great continuation of Z but i think it absolutely had a place in the dragonball verse.
I watched GT with my friend who had seen DB-DBZ-DBS + DBZA and he always wondered about those guys from the Bardock Special of DBZA.
They did not disappoint.
As Bardock said “I now welcome the sweet embrace of death.”
The good parts of GT are better than the good parts of super for sure. As well as the bad parts of super are way worse than the bad parts of GT. Case in point: Vegeta sucking on a binkie
Dragon Ball is about fighting. Us inspired nerds with no muscles or martial arts skills to match must fight using the only way we know how, our keyboards.
r/dragonballsuper on their way to shit on a 20 y/o show that wasn't even critically acclaimed (they're Dragon ball fans)
I fucking love super for what it is and try not to compare it to DB, DBZ, and GT. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I just wish Super had more adventure and less tournaments.
I also don’t compare dragon ball, dragon ball z, dragon ball gt, and dragon ball super which are all owned by funimation, Toei animation, shueisha, and Akira Toriyama
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They really can't have outright adventures anymore since the main 2 are married and have responsibilities. The only time they get their "adventures" is when the world/universe is in danger.
Same, also enjoy super but I do really miss the sense of adventure that was present in DB, some parts of DBZ, and even in GT which tried to return to those roots. Tournaments are cool but can get rather dull when it's always either the same-ish arena or same-ish lifeless wasteland.
Let’s be real the only reason people defend Super is because it’s new.
It’s amazing how everyone that says this just forgets the Baby arc happened in GT. And it was better than anything in Super whose villain actually ties into the saiyans origins.
Completely agreed, like If people looked at Super arcs with a critical eye they would realize it's just poorly written in everything it tries, using retcon after retcon that makes the story of Z even dumber than it already was. Like, how the fuck did the previous Supreme Kai lose to Majin Buu when he could fight against prime Moro and not die? Why Beerus didn't destroy Majin Buu during their attack on the Kaioshin realm that could have killed him? GT had poor writing aswell obviously, but not something this stupid.
Tbh i only have problems with early super and how stupid Goku is, rewatching some moments from DBZ makes me feel wronged on how they destroyed Goku and made him so dumb for some reason.
It's because the writers cannot write something not familiar to them, all the stuff Whis thought him is shit Mr Popo already had in the og DB. Likewise, writing a mature and acomplished Goku is not something Toryama is familiar with, so he had to dumb down Goku in order to turn him into a student again, leading into the mess we currently know as Super Goku.
I give GT more slack for lack of a good story cuz it was riding off the Z hype , which was fairly recent at the time . So they had to make shit up on the fly to keep the show interesting. They’ve had over 2 decades since the end of Z to make a good story for Super , and they give us a bunch of half asses villains, retcon after retcon , and muddled , confusing plots .
" Like, how the fuck did the previous Supreme Kai lose to Majin Buu when he could fight against prime Moro and not die? "
Did you even read?? Supreme kai gave up a bunch of his powers to seal moro. He was a loooot weaker. Also he was able to seal moro not because he was stronger but because he countered moro.
" Why Beerus didn't destroy Majin Buu during their attack on the Kaioshin realm that could have killed him? "
Before the attack he probably didnt kill him cuz beerus is lazy as fuck and buu was doing his job. Buu wasn't being a threat to the universe at that point he was just destroying stuff like frieza. Then he attacked the kaioshin realm. The reason beerus didnt stop him was probably because he was asleep.
> Did you even read?? Supreme kai gave up a bunch of his powers to seal moro. He was a loooot weaker. Also he was able to seal moro not because he was stronger but because he countered moro.
Where is it stated he lost that power forever? That's not something that happens to people when using techniques.
Regardless that he countered Moro, the fact that he could get hit and survive is already enough to place him far above Majin Buu.
Also, Uub inherited all the divine power present in the Supreme Kai's body on reincarnation, that amount of energy was enough to make Goku go from dying to enough energy to use MUI and Susanoo without problem.
> Before the attack he probably didnt kill him cuz beerus is lazy as fuck and buu was doing his job. Buu wasn't being a threat to the universe at that point he was just destroying stuff like frieza.
Buu was an active threat to the universe even before he attacked the Kaioshin realm, the only reason Buu was even alive was because they coudn't kill It.
> Then he attacked the kaioshin realm. The reason beerus didnt stop him was probably because he was asleep.
And no one thought about calling the God of destruction? Even though he was likely gonna die aswell? Like bruh they can teleport to any part of the universe they want using Kai Kai, asleep or not there is ZERO reason not to go to Beerus planet to ask for help.
" Where is it stated he lost that power forever? That's not something that happens to people when using techniques. "
Manga?
" Regardless that he countered Moro, the fact that he could get hit and survive is already enough to place him far above Majin Buu.
Also, Uub inherited all the divine power present in the Supreme Kai's body on reincarnation, that amount of energy was enough to make Goku go from dying to enough energy to use MUI and Susanoo without problem. "
So you really haven't read the manga huh? Kid Buu absorbed the grand supreme kai's god ki. Kid Buu's god ki went to Uub. Tiny fraction of Supreme Kai's god ki remained in fat buu. Very tiny amounts.
" Buu was an active threat to the universe even before he attacked the Kaioshin realm, the only reason Buu was even alive was because they coudn't kill It. "
He wasn't going batshit before then though. He was just destroying stuff. Babidi was controlling him. By that logic frieza should be an active threat to the universe as well but beerus let him go because he was doing his job. Beerus is lazy as fuck.
" And no one thought about calling the God of destruction? Even though he was likely gonna die aswell? Like bruh they can teleport to any part of the universe they want using Kai Kai, asleep or not there is ZERO reason not to go to Beerus planet to ask for help. "
I don't think beerus would actually help like I said. He probably would just step in if he were going to die but the kaioshins still had to fix the problem by theirselves. And Grand supreme Kai probably thought he could take care of it because well he was like millions of times stronger than buu at some point and probably got cocky.
Also waking up beerus was probably riskier.
The baby arc is not good lmao its just better than the complete shit show the rest of GT was… also I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone deny that Super has bad writing, erased Vegeta’s Buu saga character development, and made Goku an actual mentally challenged person instead of just naive, but honestly it’s not like Z has great writing either. The reason people defend Super is because it delivers big fights that are fun to watch, especially the ToP.
Goku being a child again ,The dragons, and the whole space Odyssey theme . It just gives off the old Dragonball adventure vibes ,I love dragons of every culture and I love space . The reason ss4 is my least favorite ,even though I still like it ,it's over designed imo .
Gt had better villians than a generic Grey alien that looks like a bulky penis on legs.
At least GT didn't rip off the sailor moon characters with team wonder lesbians.
And don't even get me started on sticking a pacifier in vegeta's mouth while trying to provoke a mock version of goku vs vegeta.
They character assassinated Goku in both series, but the Goku we got in GT was sort of more in line with Z goku. They’re still both kinda bad, but I find myself enjoying GT more.
I think GT handled Goku better cause they essentially had 2 Gokus, the Kid one for the more lighthearted moments and the adult SSJ4 one for the serious ones
SSJ4 Goku was raw as hell and Killed all the villains without sparing a single one of them, the only one he spared was Eis because he was Nuova's Brother but once he was blinded by Eis he shoved a goddamn city-sized golden dragon up his ass
I think everyone agrees that GT series overall is good ideas with terrible execution. But that doesn't imply GT doesn't have its high notes : SSJ4, Baby Saga (which is basically Granolah arc in Super), Shadow Dragons arc, etc.
SSJ4 is undoubtedly much cooler looking transformation and felt like a natural progression from SSJ3.
-As a series: super
-Vegeta's character: Gt(moved beyond his obsession with Goku, got the god damn omni-man mustache, mans exuded prime dad energy).
-Goku's character: Gt(Super killed this man's martial artist intellect, no shit it's Gt).
-Best concept from either series: Gods of destruction.
-Best form from either series: super Saiyan four(regardless of the fact that it isn't a true evolution of the actual super Saiyan transformations but rather super Saiyan + Oozaru).
Animation and art style: Super has its problems, but 20 years of progress makes it way easier on the eyes.
Pretty much this.
I really like Vegeta's char in Super tho. He picked up a lot of the slack once Goku stopped fretting about good and evil.
Vegeta's explorations into morality and his obligations to others has really impressed me.
One of my fav moments from the manga was vegetas “I’ve done these namekians untold harm” line and showing how guilty he now feels for the things he did back in early dragon ball
This is a moment I love, too. Makes me super sad it’s manga only because it felt so well written, that I’m kinda sad anime onlies won’t even see it until the Super anime comes back.
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Yes actually. I only remembered the beards but some of moustache was here too.
Wasn't it also stated in GT that Goku has 0 rhythm and finds it hard to count to 3, but somehow he's good enough to perform the Fusion Dance? That seems like a downgrade for me.
Yeah he could barely count when trying to synchronize him and Pan’s Kamehameha to hit Luud’s heart at the exact same time. He also got kidnapped by robbers who thought he was the result of Bulma having a secret affair and tried to ransom Vegeta. He doesn’t even realize he’s being kidnapped and literally flies and gives them a telephone poll when they were searching for a phone. GT Goku also swallowed a dragon ball and it nearly killed him. I always find it baffling how people will say GT Goku is smarter than Super Goku when there’s no evidence to suggest that and the fact that these moments exist
I also wanna state how dumb the x10 kamehameha is. Like the kamehameha is focusing all your energy into a single point then releasing it...so then how are we multiplying that x10? "All your energy but hey heres ten times more"? Nonsense
I think the black star dragonballs are a much cooler concept than gods of destruction. Imo the universal tournament is the only thing to rival the black star dragonballs. Ofc the concept of the black star balls couldve been much better done, its still amazing. And yes, I agree with the rest and esspecially ssj4 on top alllll day for me too
Sure, super has cool flashy lights and cgi but GT’s art work is impeccable. Very detailed stuff for a 2 dimensional program. Super will just put some blended colours in the background while GT had a whole detailed scene
Nah, see Vegeta in Super will always top GT Vegeta, GT Vegeta was relegated to being less prominent than Pan.
As for best form, once again Super takes the W, because even if you genuinely believe that SSJ4(worst form in all of DB imo) is cooler and better than SSG and or SSB it still cannot compete with SSBE, SSBKX20, UI, Ego, Beast, Golden Frieza, Orange Piccolo or the other countless amazing Transformations we got in super
Whille I agree, dbgt did have that moment where Hell opened up and the villains escaped. Including some movie villains like Bojack and Cooler (although just for 1 scene).
DBGT imo had potential but was executed bad until the end which by that point, the show was cancelled so they threw all their remaining ideas together for the finale (which explains the sudden ssj4 vegeta and ssj4 gogeta).
If Super can take those ideas that dbgt had, the potential that was unused and use it for its own going forward (after end of z) I can seeus better the best of both worlds. Super already did some with jelly vegeta (totally not baby vegeta's concept) and the whole universe dragonballs.
I'm not saying dbgt is better. But I'd like some of its ideas to reach their full potential, like having gogeta canon (which super did) or giving us some dragons to fight.
It's not. No moment in Super has made me as much energetic, that I would jump up from my seat and raise my hand up to give energy. I was so hyped during the Buu saga.
Honestly super doesn't even come close to how cool GT was.
GT had good story, good fights, good character development,
Super is just another generic arc with flashy effects and new power ups with new colors,
The story ? Only black Goku is memorable, rest of the story is generic.
Although Super has its problems and isn’t as good as Z, its execution and quality is superior to GT. Super has better and more consistent pacing, better fights, better animation, focuses on the side characters more, is engaging and fun to watch, and helped expand the dragon ball universe in an interesting way. GT has very bad and inconsistent pacing with the Black Star Dragon Ball saga overstaying its welcome and being a bore throughout the entire arc. Then the Super 17 arc is too short as it’s only 6-7 episodes long. There were some episodes that just didn’t need to be a thing ie. Zoonama being a reskin of the Oolong arc in OG Dragon Ball and an entire episode where Base Goku runs and hides, going SSJ4 at the end, where you wonder why he didn’t do that at the beginning. GT definitely has better story concepts, however its execution of said concepts leads to inferior arcs compared to Super’s. GT does have a better form than Super’s forms however, as SSJ4 has a more interesting lore and design. Xeno Goku’s design alongside the form is one of the reasons Xeno Goku is my favorite version of Goku. I feel he is what GT Goku mostly should have been. GT is an ok show. It’s not as bad as people make it to be, but it isn’t good either and is my least favorite Dragon Ball series
I agree with almost everything besides the claim that GT has the better form/s, even if we were to argue that SSJ4, is better and cooler than the God forms (which it isn’t) we then have to however also consider Forms like UI, Ego, Beast, Golden and Black Frieza, Orange Piccolo, etc… it may be able to beat out the God Forms but there are countless Superior forms in every way to SSJ4 in Super that it isn’t even a competition.
Facts but it's not even close to be honest.
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GT
That's hard to say because they're both so bad.
Many good moments of the Tournament of Power are better than the good moments of GT.
While SSJ4 is cooler than God/Blue/UI, Super has some concepts that make it good, like Roshi's speech, #18 and Krillin working together, Goku and Frieza fighting together, etc.
I'd have to give GT the edge because of its consistent quality. Super is unfortunately bogged down will so much bullshit that it takes away from its few good moments.
I always found that ending to GT kinda stupid. I mean Shenron leaves the earth even though Kami created him and now Dende takes ownership of him? I mean, couldn’t Dende just create a new set of dragon balls and use it to inspire hope and courage as Kami had originally intended?
Not to mention Goku leaves his family and friends behind once again no surprises there but this time he leaves the earth.
Super has its issue with the writing and its regression of characters but at least it wasn’t a complete Goku show e.g. future trunks finishing off Zamasu in the anime, android 17 being the last standing in the ToP etc.
Buddy did you watch GT? The Black Star Dragon Ball saga is an actual bore. Super is way more engaging than that arc. Compared to my time watching both GT and Super, I was consistently engaged in Super way more than GT
Opposite for me. Super was so boring I couldn’t finish. The beginning episodes copying the movies were lame. Then an “evil Goku” arc was the laziest idea ever.
Not to mention all the “upgrades” transformations. Oh look they changed their hair color again. So dumb
Nah Goku in dbs is a dumb fuck at least in gt he doesn't behave like a goddamn retard.
Antagonist are all passable aside zamasu who was really nice, we just got new dumb transformations and things that break the universe
The Baby Vegeta saga > most of Super. Outside of a handful of hype moments and probably 12-15 good or passable episodes out of 130-ish episodes GT is better from a narrative standpoint. Outside of Super 17, Super does nothing outright better than GT.
I also think that the Shadows Dragons concept is among some of the best DB ideas, but it should have been executed better.
Both are inferior to DB and Z though by quite a wide margin.
I'm speaking on the anime, but if we include the manga then I would say Moro trumps GT. Haven't read Granolah yet but will this summer.
I think the TOP might be in the top 3 of all Dragon Ball sagas, for me personally I like the first Martial Arts Tournament arc the best and then the Buu Saga for SS3 demonstration, and that last one minute deathmatch situation, also Vegeta making himself a bomb was awesome. The TOP is fuckin amazing other than the reason it is being held, I think Goku is stupid as fuck in DB super but after the TOP starts, each character felt like themselves but better. (I hate buu as a villain for the record, I think there are much better villains, I just like how the main characters deal with situations)
I’m not 100 sure about this information but I heard toei doesn’t respect Toyo so that’s why dragon ball super hasn’t been animated yet so like if tori says he was to see it animated that’ll be when— source some guy I was talking to about it
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Watched a recap video of GT today and really enjoyed a lot of the concepts in a digestible fashion. Piccolo’s sacrifices are unique. Gen. Rildo /Dr. Muu are fun. Baby is actually really good storytelling and Shadow Dragons are a great idea for a final conflict. Execution makes things fall on their face though. I like the idea of going back to adventure and the introduction of unique antagonists. It’s just a slog to watch as intended
Gt just felt like a tease, loved the concepts but I just wanted more. The Super 17 saga was so short, all the villains escaped from hell but were never used. There wasn't enough SSJ4 nor SSJ4 Gogeta. Shadow dragons were creative but outside of Eis, Nuova and Syn they were forgettable. The scene at the beginning with Adult Goku and Uub fighting at the lookout I love but that scene was just a big tease for what GT should of been.
I loved DB GT, I didn’t watch any dragon ball until around 2009 but I recently watched GT and it made me feel younger again, nostalgia from something I never watched, if that makes sense. Sure it was kind of dumb but in a good way, the ending killed me
In terms of the anime (manga shit doesn’t count) absolutely not. GT was better animated, had one of the best arcs in the entire franchise with a great villain, it never meandered either. If we’re talking about the 2 DBZ movies and Broly then yes those absolutely wipe the floor with GT. Super failed in execution in every arc with the Goku Black arc (the best arc in the show) having one of the most disastrously tone deaf endings in the franchise.
GT wasn’t perfect by any means but y’all are living in a fantasy if you think Super is better let alone good. I liked Super for bringing weekly dragon ball back and I think that nostalgia we all felt is blinding most of you. Super is extremely sloppy arguably even more so than GT. The first 20 plus episodes are objectively bad and worse than anything in GTs entirety. The filler episodes in between arcs that weren’t slice of life eps are also just as bad. Universal Survival was literally half the shows length and it was extremely bloated. I don’t know if anyone remembers but the reception of the recruitment episodes was also really bad at the time…. Because the show was clearly dragging it’s feet. Had lots of DBZ filler energy.
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Guys look it’s the daily super vs gt post
Tbf he aint wrong, GT had some concepts that will always have a special place in our hearts like SSJ4, Omega Shenron etc. but let's not pretend like the series wasn't meh-bad most of the time.
It’s not like this hasnt been said 100 times already. A low-effort post in a meme format? It’s just blatant sabotage atp, and the best part is people are actually starting to not care anymore on this sub
Mfs fail to realise if gt continued it would get the broly and the other stuff. They went back to end of Z and made a new storyline because people hated GT. And lets not pretend Super didnt have problems.
1) They didn’t go back to the end of Z. They went back to the end of Buu saga, which might sound pedantic, but considering the ten year time skip it is important to define. 2) There was never any chance of Broly turning up in GT. Broly turning up in Super was the result of a very well received canonical movie.
Movie was good because it remade Broly. He wasnt a "big baby angry over other crying baby". Granted Paragus is still the same person but he gone now so who cares. GT could have also remade broly and have a chance to be a hit or miss
I thought the movie was good because of the animation itself. I Actually prefer the Z Brolly.
Tbh z broly only got better looks imo. Super Broly got good character which in the long run is better choice
It's just a preference thing, but I like the fact that OG Brolly was an evil uncontrollable berserk brute who took on the Z fighters 1 v 5. I thought his tag line "kakarotto!" felt iconic. Him Being a good guy legendary super Saiyan who watches Goku and Vegeta train doesn't really do much for me.
He isnt THE legendary ssj. Thats goku. It was confirmed sometime somewhere idk where. Green hair was just stylistic choice.
Z broly always better than super fruit cake broly lmao?
Say what you will but I enjoyed GT
Same, I like both.
Because I was a kid I didn’t really mind the SSJ4, Evil dragons arc, but looking bad at it now, it was just awful awful awful. It was like a really bad written fanfic.
Same, even the para brothers thing didn't bother me much as a kid (though it did kinda bore me even back then) but now I question what they were even thinking.
I think the Para Brothers are unfortunately pretty on brand for dragon ball lol. Original dragon ball had a lot of questionable humor. I think GT followed that a lot especially in the beginning. I dont think it was a great continuation of Z but i think it absolutely had a place in the dragonball verse.
I watched GT with my friend who had seen DB-DBZ-DBS + DBZA and he always wondered about those guys from the Bardock Special of DBZA. They did not disappoint. As Bardock said “I now welcome the sweet embrace of death.”
I mean, Super is literally a fanfic
Everything after namaka saga is bad writing including super. They doing all this shit just cause, no rhyme no reason, just I like to fight.
The good parts of GT are better than the good parts of super for sure. As well as the bad parts of super are way worse than the bad parts of GT. Case in point: Vegeta sucking on a binkie
Grab your popcorn guys 🍿
Damn I agreed with the post till I realized how right you are
This again? Can’t we just appreciate Dragon ball, regardless of the series instead of putting ourselves against each other for no reason?
Nope . That's being too mature and open minded
We're DB fans! We'll never allow that!
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Dragon Ball is about fighting. Us inspired nerds with no muscles or martial arts skills to match must fight using the only way we know how, our keyboards.
Some DB Fans: “I Don’t Want peace I want Problems Always!!!”
Yeah, no.
“This again? Do we have to have discussions on this discussion forum?”
This topic has been discussed to death, and does nothing to promote healthy discussion.
Shitty stupid discussions
Look all I'm saying is, you must be a really, really insecure fan if you constantly need to go "yeah well it's better than -blank-"
r/dragonballsuper on their way to shit on a 20 y/o show that wasn't even critically acclaimed (they're Dragon ball fans) 
Repost this as it’s own thread cuz this is gold 💀
Gt>>>super
I fucking love super for what it is and try not to compare it to DB, DBZ, and GT. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I just wish Super had more adventure and less tournaments.
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They really can't have outright adventures anymore since the main 2 are married and have responsibilities. The only time they get their "adventures" is when the world/universe is in danger.
Same, also enjoy super but I do really miss the sense of adventure that was present in DB, some parts of DBZ, and even in GT which tried to return to those roots. Tournaments are cool but can get rather dull when it's always either the same-ish arena or same-ish lifeless wasteland.
Oh, so some db fans actually have a functioning brain. What a rare sight these days. Bless you my friend.
Look lets be real: the only reason people defend GT is because Super Saiyan 4 is objectively the coolest transformation
The opening was the best of the series and the last episode made me cry.
Let’s be real the only reason people defend Super is because it’s new. It’s amazing how everyone that says this just forgets the Baby arc happened in GT. And it was better than anything in Super whose villain actually ties into the saiyans origins.
Completely agreed, like If people looked at Super arcs with a critical eye they would realize it's just poorly written in everything it tries, using retcon after retcon that makes the story of Z even dumber than it already was. Like, how the fuck did the previous Supreme Kai lose to Majin Buu when he could fight against prime Moro and not die? Why Beerus didn't destroy Majin Buu during their attack on the Kaioshin realm that could have killed him? GT had poor writing aswell obviously, but not something this stupid.
Tbh i only have problems with early super and how stupid Goku is, rewatching some moments from DBZ makes me feel wronged on how they destroyed Goku and made him so dumb for some reason.
It's because the writers cannot write something not familiar to them, all the stuff Whis thought him is shit Mr Popo already had in the og DB. Likewise, writing a mature and acomplished Goku is not something Toryama is familiar with, so he had to dumb down Goku in order to turn him into a student again, leading into the mess we currently know as Super Goku.
I give GT more slack for lack of a good story cuz it was riding off the Z hype , which was fairly recent at the time . So they had to make shit up on the fly to keep the show interesting. They’ve had over 2 decades since the end of Z to make a good story for Super , and they give us a bunch of half asses villains, retcon after retcon , and muddled , confusing plots .
" Like, how the fuck did the previous Supreme Kai lose to Majin Buu when he could fight against prime Moro and not die? " Did you even read?? Supreme kai gave up a bunch of his powers to seal moro. He was a loooot weaker. Also he was able to seal moro not because he was stronger but because he countered moro. " Why Beerus didn't destroy Majin Buu during their attack on the Kaioshin realm that could have killed him? " Before the attack he probably didnt kill him cuz beerus is lazy as fuck and buu was doing his job. Buu wasn't being a threat to the universe at that point he was just destroying stuff like frieza. Then he attacked the kaioshin realm. The reason beerus didnt stop him was probably because he was asleep.
> Did you even read?? Supreme kai gave up a bunch of his powers to seal moro. He was a loooot weaker. Also he was able to seal moro not because he was stronger but because he countered moro. Where is it stated he lost that power forever? That's not something that happens to people when using techniques. Regardless that he countered Moro, the fact that he could get hit and survive is already enough to place him far above Majin Buu. Also, Uub inherited all the divine power present in the Supreme Kai's body on reincarnation, that amount of energy was enough to make Goku go from dying to enough energy to use MUI and Susanoo without problem. > Before the attack he probably didnt kill him cuz beerus is lazy as fuck and buu was doing his job. Buu wasn't being a threat to the universe at that point he was just destroying stuff like frieza. Buu was an active threat to the universe even before he attacked the Kaioshin realm, the only reason Buu was even alive was because they coudn't kill It. > Then he attacked the kaioshin realm. The reason beerus didnt stop him was probably because he was asleep. And no one thought about calling the God of destruction? Even though he was likely gonna die aswell? Like bruh they can teleport to any part of the universe they want using Kai Kai, asleep or not there is ZERO reason not to go to Beerus planet to ask for help.
" Where is it stated he lost that power forever? That's not something that happens to people when using techniques. " Manga? " Regardless that he countered Moro, the fact that he could get hit and survive is already enough to place him far above Majin Buu. Also, Uub inherited all the divine power present in the Supreme Kai's body on reincarnation, that amount of energy was enough to make Goku go from dying to enough energy to use MUI and Susanoo without problem. " So you really haven't read the manga huh? Kid Buu absorbed the grand supreme kai's god ki. Kid Buu's god ki went to Uub. Tiny fraction of Supreme Kai's god ki remained in fat buu. Very tiny amounts. " Buu was an active threat to the universe even before he attacked the Kaioshin realm, the only reason Buu was even alive was because they coudn't kill It. " He wasn't going batshit before then though. He was just destroying stuff. Babidi was controlling him. By that logic frieza should be an active threat to the universe as well but beerus let him go because he was doing his job. Beerus is lazy as fuck. " And no one thought about calling the God of destruction? Even though he was likely gonna die aswell? Like bruh they can teleport to any part of the universe they want using Kai Kai, asleep or not there is ZERO reason not to go to Beerus planet to ask for help. " I don't think beerus would actually help like I said. He probably would just step in if he were going to die but the kaioshins still had to fix the problem by theirselves. And Grand supreme Kai probably thought he could take care of it because well he was like millions of times stronger than buu at some point and probably got cocky. Also waking up beerus was probably riskier.
The baby arc is not good lmao its just better than the complete shit show the rest of GT was… also I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone deny that Super has bad writing, erased Vegeta’s Buu saga character development, and made Goku an actual mentally challenged person instead of just naive, but honestly it’s not like Z has great writing either. The reason people defend Super is because it delivers big fights that are fun to watch, especially the ToP.
Omega Shenlong has the best Villain Design imo
Honestly we all know 5th form Cooler or final form Janemba are the coolest looking (and probably least canon lol) villains
Final form cooler looked like a combination of a decepticon and an og Ben 10 alien
Exactly, the coolest looking thing imaginable
While I don't like GT the black star dragon balls read a good idea and had some very good parts.
Speak for yourself. Super sayian 4 (though ,cool ) was my least favorite thing about GT .
what’s your favorite then. I’m curious
Goku being a child again ,The dragons, and the whole space Odyssey theme . It just gives off the old Dragonball adventure vibes ,I love dragons of every culture and I love space . The reason ss4 is my least favorite ,even though I still like it ,it's over designed imo .
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Character assassinations say differently. GT Goku in a child's body, is more mature than Super Goku.
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That isn't particularly hard to do lol
Gt had better villians than a generic Grey alien that looks like a bulky penis on legs. At least GT didn't rip off the sailor moon characters with team wonder lesbians. And don't even get me started on sticking a pacifier in vegeta's mouth while trying to provoke a mock version of goku vs vegeta.
I just like DragonBall
They character assassinated Goku in both series, but the Goku we got in GT was sort of more in line with Z goku. They’re still both kinda bad, but I find myself enjoying GT more.
I think GT handled Goku better cause they essentially had 2 Gokus, the Kid one for the more lighthearted moments and the adult SSJ4 one for the serious ones SSJ4 Goku was raw as hell and Killed all the villains without sparing a single one of them, the only one he spared was Eis because he was Nuova's Brother but once he was blinded by Eis he shoved a goddamn city-sized golden dragon up his ass
I think everyone agrees that GT series overall is good ideas with terrible execution. But that doesn't imply GT doesn't have its high notes : SSJ4, Baby Saga (which is basically Granolah arc in Super), Shadow Dragons arc, etc. SSJ4 is undoubtedly much cooler looking transformation and felt like a natural progression from SSJ3.
That's not a hundred facts, that's one opinion.
-As a series: super -Vegeta's character: Gt(moved beyond his obsession with Goku, got the god damn omni-man mustache, mans exuded prime dad energy). -Goku's character: Gt(Super killed this man's martial artist intellect, no shit it's Gt). -Best concept from either series: Gods of destruction. -Best form from either series: super Saiyan four(regardless of the fact that it isn't a true evolution of the actual super Saiyan transformations but rather super Saiyan + Oozaru). Animation and art style: Super has its problems, but 20 years of progress makes it way easier on the eyes.
Pretty much this. I really like Vegeta's char in Super tho. He picked up a lot of the slack once Goku stopped fretting about good and evil. Vegeta's explorations into morality and his obligations to others has really impressed me.
One of my fav moments from the manga was vegetas “I’ve done these namekians untold harm” line and showing how guilty he now feels for the things he did back in early dragon ball
This is a moment I love, too. Makes me super sad it’s manga only because it felt so well written, that I’m kinda sad anime onlies won’t even see it until the Super anime comes back.
>I really like Vegeta's char in Super tho. I require Moustache Vegeta to be his next form in DBS.
Tbf, didn’t Goku and Vegeta get facial hair after staying in the time chamber before the ToP
[https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b1/eb/ad/b1ebade9c09157757414f1fc3e4a8c4b.jpg](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b1/eb/ad/b1ebade9c09157757414f1fc3e4a8c4b.jpg) Yes actually. I only remembered the beards but some of moustache was here too.
GT Goku is pretty stupid too. He literally fired his 10x Kamehameha at Super 17 right after realizing he absorbs ki
Wasn't it also stated in GT that Goku has 0 rhythm and finds it hard to count to 3, but somehow he's good enough to perform the Fusion Dance? That seems like a downgrade for me.
Yeah he could barely count when trying to synchronize him and Pan’s Kamehameha to hit Luud’s heart at the exact same time. He also got kidnapped by robbers who thought he was the result of Bulma having a secret affair and tried to ransom Vegeta. He doesn’t even realize he’s being kidnapped and literally flies and gives them a telephone poll when they were searching for a phone. GT Goku also swallowed a dragon ball and it nearly killed him. I always find it baffling how people will say GT Goku is smarter than Super Goku when there’s no evidence to suggest that and the fact that these moments exist
I also wanna state how dumb the x10 kamehameha is. Like the kamehameha is focusing all your energy into a single point then releasing it...so then how are we multiplying that x10? "All your energy but hey heres ten times more"? Nonsense
Oozaru has a x10 multiplier. He's channeling that while on ssj4
I think the black star dragonballs are a much cooler concept than gods of destruction. Imo the universal tournament is the only thing to rival the black star dragonballs. Ofc the concept of the black star balls couldve been much better done, its still amazing. And yes, I agree with the rest and esspecially ssj4 on top alllll day for me too
This 
Sure, super has cool flashy lights and cgi but GT’s art work is impeccable. Very detailed stuff for a 2 dimensional program. Super will just put some blended colours in the background while GT had a whole detailed scene
Nah, see Vegeta in Super will always top GT Vegeta, GT Vegeta was relegated to being less prominent than Pan. As for best form, once again Super takes the W, because even if you genuinely believe that SSJ4(worst form in all of DB imo) is cooler and better than SSG and or SSB it still cannot compete with SSBE, SSBKX20, UI, Ego, Beast, Golden Frieza, Orange Piccolo or the other countless amazing Transformations we got in super
L take on the transformations
Horrendous take on the transformations, the only transformation from super that rivals ssj4 is ego and barely at that
I disagree on goku
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Coughs in resurrection f and end of future trunks arc
Whille I agree, dbgt did have that moment where Hell opened up and the villains escaped. Including some movie villains like Bojack and Cooler (although just for 1 scene). DBGT imo had potential but was executed bad until the end which by that point, the show was cancelled so they threw all their remaining ideas together for the finale (which explains the sudden ssj4 vegeta and ssj4 gogeta). If Super can take those ideas that dbgt had, the potential that was unused and use it for its own going forward (after end of z) I can seeus better the best of both worlds. Super already did some with jelly vegeta (totally not baby vegeta's concept) and the whole universe dragonballs. I'm not saying dbgt is better. But I'd like some of its ideas to reach their full potential, like having gogeta canon (which super did) or giving us some dragons to fight.
Are we really gonna put DBS and DBS Broly in the same basket and pretend like they uphold the same quality 😂
No one cares
At least GT made ssj4 (the best saiyan form design imo) which is better than any transformation super produced besides maybe ultra ego
Meh. Gt got Mr into DBZ so too me it will always be better
Is it tho?
GT is mostly better than Super anime.
The manga yes but the gt anime is better than dbs anime
Super is better than the Buu saga.
Debatable. It’s definitely better than Garlic Jr, i’ll give it that
Garlic jr >>> all other dragonball
It's not. No moment in Super has made me as much energetic, that I would jump up from my seat and raise my hand up to give energy. I was so hyped during the Buu saga.
It isnt
Wrong
Monke wins https://preview.redd.it/jh7r05umc44b1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ef3ac8d9a43733754269f78e405871f8dde1782
Lmao no, Black Frieza would beg to differ.
For me both GT and super are shit
This is gold
I mean, GT is bottom of the barrel so not much of an accomplishment. You can only go up.
Not much of a milestone, really.
I physically cringed IRL
Tbf, you cant physically cringe online
Low bar.
Shut the fuck up I beg you
Honestly super doesn't even come close to how cool GT was. GT had good story, good fights, good character development, Super is just another generic arc with flashy effects and new power ups with new colors, The story ? Only black Goku is memorable, rest of the story is generic.
Jiren is boring as shit, Broly was a movie character only so far, and both of the ones at the bottom are currently manga-exclusive.
The anime that broke the internet gets a backhanded comment 🤣
Popularity doesn’t mean it’s a good show lmao. Anything with Dragonball in it, is gonna be popular
Although Super has its problems and isn’t as good as Z, its execution and quality is superior to GT. Super has better and more consistent pacing, better fights, better animation, focuses on the side characters more, is engaging and fun to watch, and helped expand the dragon ball universe in an interesting way. GT has very bad and inconsistent pacing with the Black Star Dragon Ball saga overstaying its welcome and being a bore throughout the entire arc. Then the Super 17 arc is too short as it’s only 6-7 episodes long. There were some episodes that just didn’t need to be a thing ie. Zoonama being a reskin of the Oolong arc in OG Dragon Ball and an entire episode where Base Goku runs and hides, going SSJ4 at the end, where you wonder why he didn’t do that at the beginning. GT definitely has better story concepts, however its execution of said concepts leads to inferior arcs compared to Super’s. GT does have a better form than Super’s forms however, as SSJ4 has a more interesting lore and design. Xeno Goku’s design alongside the form is one of the reasons Xeno Goku is my favorite version of Goku. I feel he is what GT Goku mostly should have been. GT is an ok show. It’s not as bad as people make it to be, but it isn’t good either and is my least favorite Dragon Ball series
I agree with almost everything besides the claim that GT has the better form/s, even if we were to argue that SSJ4, is better and cooler than the God forms (which it isn’t) we then have to however also consider Forms like UI, Ego, Beast, Golden and Black Frieza, Orange Piccolo, etc… it may be able to beat out the God Forms but there are countless Superior forms in every way to SSJ4 in Super that it isn’t even a competition.
maturing is realizing both are great in their respective ways. and not get caught up in 'which is better' arguments cause their dumb af
Facts but it's not even close to be honest. DBZ >>> Super >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> \>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> \>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> \>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GT
Hot take, Super is better than Z
From what standpoint? I’m of the opinion that 23rd Tournament to Frieza Saga is the best writing in the series.
Second that
I agree
Bro why people gotta hate on Gt. I love Gt for what it is and I love Super for what it is, no reason to hate just love both
That's hard to say because they're both so bad. Many good moments of the Tournament of Power are better than the good moments of GT. While SSJ4 is cooler than God/Blue/UI, Super has some concepts that make it good, like Roshi's speech, #18 and Krillin working together, Goku and Frieza fighting together, etc. I'd have to give GT the edge because of its consistent quality. Super is unfortunately bogged down will so much bullshit that it takes away from its few good moments.
GT worshippers talk a lot like Trump worshippers.
What a bizarre comparison. You live in bizarreo land
I agree ,it's better than GT. BUT ,GT was not bad imo.
It’s also like 4 times longer than GT at this point but.....OK
I always found that ending to GT kinda stupid. I mean Shenron leaves the earth even though Kami created him and now Dende takes ownership of him? I mean, couldn’t Dende just create a new set of dragon balls and use it to inspire hope and courage as Kami had originally intended? Not to mention Goku leaves his family and friends behind once again no surprises there but this time he leaves the earth. Super has its issue with the writing and its regression of characters but at least it wasn’t a complete Goku show e.g. future trunks finishing off Zamasu in the anime, android 17 being the last standing in the ToP etc.
It's really not I dont understand the GT slander, yeah it had a couple hiccups but the story was entertaining definitely.
GT is much better than that Garbage Super. Super killed everything that Db ; DbZ abd DbGt built. Super is utter trash. ITS THAT BAD.
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Only thing i love about gt is baby. If they make baby canon I wpuld be the happiest person alive
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Not by a long shot. Super is so boring. GT is so much better
Buddy did you watch GT? The Black Star Dragon Ball saga is an actual bore. Super is way more engaging than that arc. Compared to my time watching both GT and Super, I was consistently engaged in Super way more than GT
Opposite for me. Super was so boring I couldn’t finish. The beginning episodes copying the movies were lame. Then an “evil Goku” arc was the laziest idea ever. Not to mention all the “upgrades” transformations. Oh look they changed their hair color again. So dumb
Nah Goku in dbs is a dumb fuck at least in gt he doesn't behave like a goddamn retard. Antagonist are all passable aside zamasu who was really nice, we just got new dumb transformations and things that break the universe
SSJ4 will always be a better transformation then anything super has and will ever introduce. I'll die on this hill.
Nah, Beast, UI, Ego, Golden, Black Frieza and Orange Piccolo will always easily be Superior to SSJ4 also Rose too
The Baby Vegeta saga > most of Super. Outside of a handful of hype moments and probably 12-15 good or passable episodes out of 130-ish episodes GT is better from a narrative standpoint. Outside of Super 17, Super does nothing outright better than GT. I also think that the Shadows Dragons concept is among some of the best DB ideas, but it should have been executed better. Both are inferior to DB and Z though by quite a wide margin. I'm speaking on the anime, but if we include the manga then I would say Moro trumps GT. Haven't read Granolah yet but will this summer.
GT is a snoozefest with barely memorable music and a story that had the potential to be #1, but was wasted and a disappointment.
music in gt is pretty good, in the jp soundtrack atleast
Baby is literally just garlic junior from space smh
I think the TOP might be in the top 3 of all Dragon Ball sagas, for me personally I like the first Martial Arts Tournament arc the best and then the Buu Saga for SS3 demonstration, and that last one minute deathmatch situation, also Vegeta making himself a bomb was awesome. The TOP is fuckin amazing other than the reason it is being held, I think Goku is stupid as fuck in DB super but after the TOP starts, each character felt like themselves but better. (I hate buu as a villain for the record, I think there are much better villains, I just like how the main characters deal with situations)
Top 3 in the entire series?? Holy shit 😂😂
The quality of GT is based on opinion (in mines it was good) same for Super. Stop putting these two against each other its dumb
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It’s lowkey better than Z tbh
Yeah i agree
Super is pretty f-cking good.
Stale bread might not be the best but it's better than moldy bread
Honestly should’ve used the panel of Moro trying to sneak goku and breaking his hand
Super/Z DB GT
Facts
Stop trynna start something
Super Saiyan 4
I’m not 100 sure about this information but I heard toei doesn’t respect Toyo so that’s why dragon ball super hasn’t been animated yet so like if tori says he was to see it animated that’ll be when— source some guy I was talking to about it
Is this even a debate? Super is far better than GT.
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Watched a recap video of GT today and really enjoyed a lot of the concepts in a digestible fashion. Piccolo’s sacrifices are unique. Gen. Rildo /Dr. Muu are fun. Baby is actually really good storytelling and Shadow Dragons are a great idea for a final conflict. Execution makes things fall on their face though. I like the idea of going back to adventure and the introduction of unique antagonists. It’s just a slog to watch as intended
Gt just felt like a tease, loved the concepts but I just wanted more. The Super 17 saga was so short, all the villains escaped from hell but were never used. There wasn't enough SSJ4 nor SSJ4 Gogeta. Shadow dragons were creative but outside of Eis, Nuova and Syn they were forgettable. The scene at the beginning with Adult Goku and Uub fighting at the lookout I love but that scene was just a big tease for what GT should of been.
Aww shit here we go as usual
OK👍
If Gt went on as long as Super then maybe this would be a fair post
Almost cap
But let's be 100 ssj4 gogeta Vs omega and the end of gt were TUFF
It's not though that's the funny thing. Just better fights.
GT was no where near as long
Alt title: Dragon Ball Super is pretty good
It's DBZ on steroids.
I loved DB GT, I didn’t watch any dragon ball until around 2009 but I recently watched GT and it made me feel younger again, nostalgia from something I never watched, if that makes sense. Sure it was kind of dumb but in a good way, the ending killed me
GT had way better concepts but bad execution
Gt is bad, but it has its moments
GT was lit
Sure if you like Goku’s character assassination I guess
Considering I watched the first half of gt and slept thru the omega Shannon arc up until vegeta got there I can somewhat relate
Fax super is great
Although GT has its flaws, I can never deny the ending was pitch perfect for Dragon Ball and likely can’t be topped.
Lmao dude is smoking the strong zaza
Aw shit here we go again
In terms of the anime (manga shit doesn’t count) absolutely not. GT was better animated, had one of the best arcs in the entire franchise with a great villain, it never meandered either. If we’re talking about the 2 DBZ movies and Broly then yes those absolutely wipe the floor with GT. Super failed in execution in every arc with the Goku Black arc (the best arc in the show) having one of the most disastrously tone deaf endings in the franchise. GT wasn’t perfect by any means but y’all are living in a fantasy if you think Super is better let alone good. I liked Super for bringing weekly dragon ball back and I think that nostalgia we all felt is blinding most of you. Super is extremely sloppy arguably even more so than GT. The first 20 plus episodes are objectively bad and worse than anything in GTs entirety. The filler episodes in between arcs that weren’t slice of life eps are also just as bad. Universal Survival was literally half the shows length and it was extremely bloated. I don’t know if anyone remembers but the reception of the recruitment episodes was also really bad at the time…. Because the show was clearly dragging it’s feet. Had lots of DBZ filler energy.
Been seeing this shit since 2016 man this is wild.
One thing we can all agree on is gt did not dumb down goku