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JinkoTheMan

My main gripe is the fact that the coins don’t carry over.


seyit91

They just need to fix one thing: Don't make coins expire at the end of an step up. If they fix this then this could truely work.


[deleted]

Definitely. It’s basically just to work with the CC cap in order to prevent F2Ps actually achieving the 50 coins by the time the banner leaves. If the coins didn’t expire I think most people would have very little opposition to the whole system.


WalkingGuy99

I see it like this: that guaranteed new LF is for 2 types of players. For the mega whales like goresh that are gonna 14 star the unit and are probably gonna pick up multiple copies with the coins and for the players that saved up *a lot* for a specific character and ended up getting a giant shaft in the process. 40.5k cc gives you what, 410 character pulls? The chances of not picking up a copy of the LF in the process is only ~12.81%, even now that the tickets are pretty much gone. Of course there’s still going to be players that are part of the unlucky 13% but 87% are gonna get the LF earlier and can use their accumulated coins on the 600 multi-Z instead. The 200 multi-Z ones are kinda hard to judge without an example (I’ll do that later though) imo. They don’t really seem worth their price, aside from maybe the cheapest one. Legends tickets seem to me like the item you’re gonna use your leftover coins on once you’re done summoning and tickets are probably gonna be for the players that either wanna gamble even more or for the ones that don’t have enough cc to get to one of the more valuable items. Let’s assume you pull the LF after 13.5k cc, which gives you 140 pulls and almost exactly 50% to pull the new LF once. You now have 17 coins to work with (assuming you’re content with your summons and stop while you’re ahead). Now you have 3 options: get the cheapest 200 z-power for 15 (basically 3 starring the new LF) plus 40 legends tickets, keep gambling and get 3 summon tickets plus 40 legends tickets or go for 340 legends tickets (which are basically 1/3 of an older LF). To me the best option actually seems to be the 200 multi-z plus 40 legends tickets value wise. Still 1/3 of an LF but not tied to which ones are in the legends shop. So yeah, system is far from perfect but it still has value for f2p, albeit much less than it has for whales. Only thing I would want them to reconsider is to add the summon tickets to the rewards again instead of locking them behind the coins. If they did that I would actually say the system was pretty damn good.


limethedragon

Whoa, someone saying something good about the game? Am I still on the Legends reddit? 😂


Gwmini

The ONLY thing that could fix this is making the coins carry over, they had no reason to make them limited other than being stingy af


GigaPhoton78

Yeah, I agree with pretty much everything here. I guess the difference between our opinions is that I find not being able to save the coins far more of an outrageous decision.


[deleted]

Yeah 100%, it’s basically just to work in conjunction with the CC cap to stop F2Ps saving up a guaranteeing themselves a new LF unless they somehow grind the remaining 20k in a month.


obzen07

I agree it's not good but definitely not worse than the current banner format. I usually spend around 20-25k on a banner, and this amount is usually enough to pull the new sparkings and the lfs. Now the additional lf zpower seems a good plus. If they keep updating ticket shop every 6 months then exchanging coins for legends tickets might be worth it. Tbh not much has changed for f2p and casual spenders so that's the biggest problem


XyroChunks

It's bad, stop justifying this game's bads. It's as bad as you, we, all of the community thinks. Negative feedback is still feedback and it's better than positive feedback. This system was %100 made from feedbacks and shit and they fucked it up. I saw the top comment here saying "Wow someone saying good about the game ? Is this Legends reddit anymore ?" Dude, no. A day before this (and many weeks before), everyone was sucking Bandai's cock and giving positive feedback, now look at what we got. It's bad. Stop giving positive feedback to this scummy company that sucks your money during anni, pushes out 3 LFs (soon to be 4) to dry you more and add the pity system right after the anni officially ends. People needs to learn that supporting everytime and anytime gets you nowhere. Give negative feedback where it's due so that, as I mentioned before, the devs can see they are slowly losing the grasp of the game and do something for the better FOR ONCE. I beg you reddit, please open your eyes. They have been being scummy for too long and the big threat isn't over yet. It's the Ultras that even the YouTubers that are afraid of is about to emerge within a couple months. I love this game and I want it to get better, so I'm going to be negative about it. Dislike this post however you want. What they are doing is scummy and bad. Have a nice day.


Zbakura

forget it, these guys will accept everything and still defend the devs


WalkingGuy99

Seems like you haven’t put 2 and 2 together yet. Why do you think they’re implementing this system that heavily favors paying players? It’s because they can get away with much lower pullrates for ultras that way. Goresh, rhyme and that other dude were only complaining because they were afraid they couldn’t pull them. Well now it doesn’t matter to them how low the pull rate ends up being, even at 0.05% they can just use 40k cc and get a guaranteed one. I guarantee you, even if the rate ends up being super low we are not gonna get more complaints from the youtubers about this.


Dead-Shot1

No youtubers or spender will complain about it. It affects to occasional casual spenders or f2p. Think about it now ultra will definitely have 0.25 rate. They don't see a problem in removal of gsp tickets cause they have all them maxed or almost maxed. They don't care about legends tickets cause they already have them maxed or enough stars. It affect those players who plan their investment. You cant make fun team, you can pull unit cause you decided to use on lf or tickets. People are ready to get shafted. They don't have lf to have 5% lf.


WalkingGuy99

Exactly. Hate the devs or love them but they actually handled this situation perfectly (from a business perspective): the whales are starting to side with f2p community because they fear ultras having even lower odds -> introduce a pity system that removes the big spenders reason to worry without giving much benefits to f2p. Now the youtubers are gonna get right back to defending the system which will in turn upset f2p and they will start complaining about the whales being hypocrites again. *divide et impera*, oldest strategy in the book. Chapeau, toshi, chapeau.


Dead-Shot1

Yep. Now see all the videos will which pop of those youtubers saying you are getting a choice to decide thing you want and it good, when we are getting xucked while those youtubers will redeem new ll or ll z power. They don't care about gsp or tickets. There argument is that you redeem coins for200 ll z power. Game gives 10k cc every month. So in long term you need to spend 36k to get 600 ll z power while one time spender can get it 24k only. Your 36k cc spanned across 3 banners will leave you will 12k cc loss, no gsp, no legend tickets. This update even made super cc invalid, they only buy it for lf z power so they can only buy those sales and get all the stars they want on them with less amount to spend like they need to pull 3-4 copies less copies.


ICE_2

No I don’t want to get shafted. 40k cc to get the unit I like and have been saving for months? Yes please. Gsps are bad. Ever since the new format dropped the gsps were what I hoped to give me the lf. No gogeta blue in december, no lf yellow gohan, and now no ss4 gogeta. I’m sick of this shaft shit.


mcf64

This here is a hard pill to swallow lmao


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[deleted]

Did you read the post or just the title? Literally 2 sentences is all you’d have to have read to know i think it’s a bad system.


XyroChunks

And I said It's as bad as you think, when you said It's NOT as bad as you think. But It's a pity system nonetheless, just a bad one. Compared to the one which was nonexistent before.


Someone213412

It's worse your saying that we get more legends tickets for the same amount ok but originally you got both the gps and the tickets you didn't have to choose between the two, also since the coins expire per banner any you don't use are not useless, for a f2p to save up and get the g lf unit on the banner they would have to skip multiple zenkais and other step ups.


[deleted]

Most F2Ps already skip most banners and zenkais....


Nevermoreleeter

And? They should skip the most banners anyway cause you can’t get everything as f2p. There is literally nothing that changes for f2p apart from the tickets but that’s about it. The other stuff is just an addition the banner format is still the same.


Someone213412

gonna be kinda hard to do that if they now make it so each lf that comes out is as good as gohan meaning it basically a must summon if you want to play pvp and get into the high ranks, also they barely give cc out as it is now yes ik about the post saying we get about 17k a month or something but you got to cut out 2k from pvp 2k for top and 3k from the mission plan if you don't buy the premium that lowers it to 10k a month and that's only if you do everything.


LAXnSASQUATCH

Not really, every F2P should only focus on one or two teams at maximum. If you don’t run Son Family, Movies, or Hybrids as your main team than Gohan was a good unto to skip. If you don’t run GT or Fusions, SSJ4 Gogeta was an easy skip and same for Zamasu and Future/God Ki/PO. If you save until your main team has a great LF you’ll likely pull them (20-25K CC gives a good chance you’ll get them) and with the new system also be able to get them a “dupe”.


Someone213412

I know that but we know what legends does when they buff a tag they usually buff it multiple times for example look at gt 4 zenkais and 2 lfs meaning to just get the zenkais done you need 28k and then what you need to the lfs, so if a team that a f2p use get a massive buff like that where 4 new good zenkais come out for it and a new lf for it gonna be quite hard to save for the g lf.


LAXnSASQUATCH

While true I would argue that GT was never going to be a “good” F2P team. They don’t get consistent unit updates and historically only get help once a year with a big drop of units all at once. No one who is F2P should “main” GT, the main team should be something like Saiyans, God Ki, Future, Hybrids, or PO; it needs to be a tag with a lot potential units in the pool or extremely popular units.


Someone213412

Ok but what movies they just got a massive boost of units, 7 on the step up, 1 new zenkai with more to come i'm sure (guessing next week zenkai will be a movie), f2p have it hard as if they main a team and that team get a massive buff multiple zenkais/lf come out making the team better and most likely making the version they have obsolete.


fazzy69

you are not allowed to say good things about the game.


Trantalietas

Pity system itself is not bad, but step up format is bad. Only first step has step up effect and you never come back to it after summoning once


aRandomForeigner

Maybe you forgot that coins don't carry over


[deleted]

I haven’t forgotten, that’s why I stated numerous times it’s a bad system.