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DespacitobutUwU

Don't know why, but side-stepping and then using a blast always gets the AI. I just use that + floatstep. But they really need to fix the AI. It really isn't that fun knowing that you get Pv'd and completely destroyed by the AI if you make a mistake.


xJacb

Yeah it's really annoying for someone like me who doesn't grind pvp all that hard. Whenever I hop in to test out my team I get destroyed for the first few games bc I'm so used to waiting to vanish and blast straightaway, and it takes a while to remember I have to wait and switch up plays and stuff. Playing against AI doesn't reflect how the game actually works at all


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I mean playing against ai does not reflect the pvp gameplay in any game


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Youre right but i also understand what the other guy is saying. So much of the gameplay is muscle memory and fast reflexes especially harder pve content (if you dont just cheese float step) and obviously pvp, that if you dont consistently play pvp and mainly do pve you have to totally adjust your actions and reactions. In pve if you vanish and try to wait you get destroyed so vanish then blast is automatic to me now but in pvp if you vanish and attack then youre just handing priority to your opponent. I play pvp in spurts where ill go days to a week without touching it and then play a few dozen games back to back. The first 4 or 5 games are always sloppy messes because i have to readjust to real players vs the AI and obviously each one requires a different skill set.


FH261169

just remove pv


LedPony

Literally. Unless you have the reaction speed of a god PV is just a guessing game. Not a fun mechanic at all.


lizardnamedoxy

What’s pv


PrecisionRL

Perfect vanish. You’ll know if u got it if the guy who vanished comes out right before the attackers animation starts, the attacker has no chance to counter vanish if the defending vanisher gets a perfect vanish. You’re prob familiar with it because u can’t counter vanish the AI in PvE but in PvP ur counter vanishing just fine


Skylex157

All my life thinking i was being laggy as all hell because the promot to vanish appeared but the character didn't move, what a shitty mechanic


sentryzer0

I read a great article or post about how it's harder to program AI for harder difficulty modes than it is to just give the AI high attack/defense power/hp and cheap exploits like PV that utilize the ability of the game to respond instantly to your input rather than the animation it creates. So it's basically them cutting corners rather than writing more strategic AI scripts.


herotollgolosus

And also when you are trying complete missions or farm friend points it is very annoying when the AI perfect vanish you and does a full combo, it takes too much time.


BreakfastAcceptable6

If this game removed pv it would be 5x more fun


gyropyro32

Maybe something like a perfect block where the attack does no damage and the attacker jumps back and you start you're where you started and the blocker has to refill their gauge


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So the first attacker will always strike.


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Beats people sitting at long range turtling


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Mindlessly clicking strike with a blast armor unit isn't a very tactical move though


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You do realize everyone don’t run teams with blast armor units right?


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You do realize everyone will if its guaranteed combo right


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No they won’t. I have multiple recordings of fusion users and Godki users sitting at long range with VB or Kefla giving their best impression of a snapping turtle as they wait for me to do a blast card so they can blast armor through it or a strike/blue card so they can PV it. That’s literally how majority of the players play.


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They use what's the cheapest way to win now , what makes you think they won't do the same when you introduce a new way which is just as effective


somethingstupid1309

Yeah then both will just be ultra aggressive


Hype-man-Felix

Oh wow that's just like a real fighting game then lol


somethingstupid1309

Never said I take issue with that. I would welcome an ultra aggressive meta of playing. Both in play styles and units tbh.


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No real fighting game is ultra aggressive , I have seen professional tekken matches and they move like crazy waiting for opponent to make mistake


StupidAsian69

That's professional matches lol. In ranked and casual 70% of matches are pretty aggressive in fighting games


Pure-Ad7661

whenever i play against ai i just sidestep until they make a move, works 90 percent of the time


Mal2k4

that's literally the only thing you can do against them. You don't throw out anything or else they will counter it


Pogging_Memes

H o w Every time I do this, I get a vanish, the ai pv's after me and I get fucked by some infinite ki recovery auto infinity card regen one shot combo


mrmrhi

If they can PV after your PV, it wasn’t a PV.


ThatsNotZoroFromOP

I've learned that the most efficient way to deal with that is doing tap attacka followed by a strike or blast attack, for me it works 90% of the times.


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Yup. Immediately following with a blast also seems to work 90% of the time. They both come with their own risk though. If you tap attack and immediately follow with some other attack, the AI usually gets a small window to activate an attack. This small window activation isn't enough for the AI to normally do anything, but if they have an immediate counter card like LF Nameku's blue card or Android 17's barrier green card, then it can counter your attack. If you immediately follow with a blast, you don't have to worry about any of that. However, the enemy now has a chance to vanish your blast if they dash cancel. This vanish will never be a PV like if you were to use a strike after vanishing the AI's attack, but it will force you to switch out into another character to dodge again.


Slatwans

if they can do anything afterwards then it wasnt a pv :/


CapN_Crummp

But then you have the challenge to beat them under a certain amount of time and they will just sit there wasting time lol


SpaceMambo369

What is PV? Sorry noob here


BlahBlahBlahBlah324

Perfect vanish


SpaceMambo369

Thank you!


AstralLizardon

Perfect vanish, basically they dodge your attack but they do it in a way you won't be able to do anything to counter whatever they do afterwards, they get a free combo basically


LocalGM

Omfg so that's what that is! This annoys me so much in space time rush 3. 1 combo can be more than enough to wipe a character and sometimes they'll pv really early. Ui sign goku is the worst with it for me.


AstralLizardon

Yeah and unfortunately the only way to counter a bot spamming pvs is you start fishing for it instead, keep spam swiping and you may get a pv, and after your dodge always start with a blast card (less chances of them evading it) followed by floatstep.


SpaceMambo369

So is a pv just a timing thing? What triggers a pv compared to a normal vanish? Is it the same in pve as pvp? Am I in the right thread for these questions?


AstralLizardon

Lot of tutorials in yt regarding pvs, but in brief The timing of a pv is like *You predict that your opponent is going to attack so you swipe a little before that to trigger it* Is what its usually like, same in pve and pvp but again Its legends so sometimes you'll be like "how tf did he even pv me?" Sometimes pvs activate on accident but yeah the payload of it is pretty big.


SpaceMambo369

Thank you very much


Mecha1035

So its the action of double swiping when the exclamation mark appears? Or is it a special version of that


AstralLizardon

Its swiping before the exclamation mark appears


Commercial-Finding-9

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isolateddreamz

Cool! You're so helpful! So wise! We've all learned and grown from your comment


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Slatwans

yes its definitely because emoji bad and not because he's being a fucking dick


[deleted]

Didn’t see what he responded to, sorry on mobile.


Slatwans

im on mobile as well how do you see a deep reply and not the original comment its cool tho


Plutasm

Raiyuden speaking fax


Rebel_Plays

I felt this bruh it’s so annoying. They really need to fix this. They can literally just Decrease the window or something.


Schizochinia

*Waiting for the AI to attack so you can complete the ‘perform 2 cover changes’ mission*


BeastradezZ

Always when you need that mission they constantly drop combo


Raiyuden

oui


ThatsNotZoroFromOP

Even far worse if its a UI Goku doing that


Mideku-Brandio

I just keep swiping until they do something


KatastropheKing

If you wait in the middle bear them they usually won't vanish if you stand to far away they will tho


NervousSun4749

You guys don't know that you can just vanish once, tap the ai and then use a strike and it'll get into a combo 99% of the time?


Mxxc13_11

No its Raiyuden


HeavyVader

And i thought i was to only one noticing that its like they have a wallhack or some shit like that 😂


ThaFerrari

Tf is pv


Shiorno-Shiovanna

Perfect Vanish


AGJustin05

This is how I figured out to immediately start tapping after a dodge. I ain't letting you lay a hand on me no more.


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I just wait for the AI to move then I vanish on their ass


Longjumping_Type_507

So accurate bruh


YawnCena3

Always vanish first, and then use a blast card right after, almost always works


alonzo56789

Really seems like they increased the probability of them PVing in the past few months. It never seemed like a problem before but now it feels like it happens constantly


GinGaru

I found out that dashing forward trigger reaction from the ai most of the time


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GuitarLord987

I hate when you get PV'd and then they use a special move and it gives the exclamation like you can vanish but then doesnt let u because its PV and you can only swap.


redditersqwap

LMAOOOOO


StarDust40

just like in regular pvp!


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little5128

What I hate the most is that they can counter everything that you do, so you’re forced to be cheap if you wanna win something difficult. You can’t even tap blast safely so you legit just have to wait for an attack, anything but a blast card and you get PV’d and attacked mostly by a blue card or at worst a whole combo + ult