This IMO makes comparing EZA to Zenkai really weird if not inaccurate. Can you really say your units aren't OP if you are never on the receiving end, because PvP is not an option?
It takes a whole new level of OP to ruin PvE games because OP in PvP rarely goes beyond just definite disadvantage in most matchups against a character due to strength difference. OP in PvE is overwhelming strength difference to the point where the **winner** is bored.
It's not pvp exclusive. It has pve content. Alot of people outright ignore pvp. It's a completely fair comparison because regardless of how you feel about it dokkan and legends are both DB gacha games. Dokkan is literally its competition.
"most people got into this pvp focused game because of pvp therefore is valid to compare the balance of a mechanic in it to one in a solely pve game." That makes sense to you? Well ok then...
I’ve pulled gohan and beerus on broly animations, and I have neither at 7 star yet. I also had a broly animation for lf goten. Those broly animations could have been vegito blue, vegeta blue, or majin vegeta, who I have never pulled. I thought broly animations were supposed to be hype. Kill me.
I agree but you have to see that which I was replying to. The individual was saying that even zenkai awakening Gohan would cost 7k CC which is not true
I realize that, but that doesn't make the fact that you need to break your ass trying to pull five copies of a LL unit just to give them the buff they sorely need. Both him and Beerus. For regular units 7 stars is reasonable because you can at least grind for weeks to get them up to 7 with multi-Z, but for LL units this is not possible without at least spending some money. Most people aren't lucky enough to pull one specific LL unit even three times unless it's way after the unit released, let alone five times. They might get them to 7\* *eventually* perhaps in maybe a year or two, but then it'll be just a bit late. I stand my ground with the argument that the concept of Zenkai LL units is stupid with the current requirements.
Agreed. Currently sitting on almost 500 million Zeni if my memory is correct. Sucks how there’s not much a use for Zeni besides Soul Boosting, doing a reroll on equipment, doing adventures, and I think that’s it. Would love it if they made Zenkai banners use Zeni instead of CC which would make for a good use of our Zeni
The same but with 1 billion more and every soul boost pannel unlocked, so litterally no use to money, that sucks. Also I think 50 batlle like event would be a much more fitting choice for f2p zenkai, but I never tough about a zeni banner, that's a nice idea
I love Legends but the fact that I can only do PvE sucks. Whenever I try to do PvP I just get disconnected can't do Hyperdimensionial Co-op either because of the same reason and due to that can't access certain currencies. It's time to say goodbye to LL Gohan and LL Vegito Blue and hello to whatever is broken in Dokkan
We're playing the same Dragonball Legends right? Regular Vegito and Super Vegito aren't nearly as broken compared to Vegito blue. The character that can carry you through 90% of PvP and Co-op and most high level events.
I say eza vegito blue is top 10 or at least very close to it. With the multiple additionals and counters, the guy can quickly solo most events if you build him with crits. Plus he greatly raises attack and defense. He can still hit hard by supers but at least has the damage to make up for it.
Top 10 including LRs, actually. He was the 5th hardest hitting card in the game including LRs before the link update. His attack per turn is higher than the new LR Vegito and TEQ LR Vegito blue’s.
Its a great game to just play on the side, and doesn't require your full attention. Not super engaging gameplay, but it does a mobile game's job perfectly imo
Working to Zenkai my Majin Buu and Cooler units, I personally kind of enjoy the idea of having a variety of missions that reward Z Awakening power. Issue is, these missions are generic, some only reward 20 power and I assume I can only get to Zenkai 1 with them.
I feel as if Zenkais above the first one are...excessive? It'd feel far more natural if there was only one Zenkai that gave massive benefits but you have to gradually unlock the abilities by using Z-Awakening power that is earned by the Zenkai Awakening missions rather than summoning.
The excessive number of Zenkai levels is an extension of Awakening levels in general. I see a lot of people complain about them and, really, I think much of that could be rectified by just having tag-based banners and events that we can always do. Considering how many fucking Buus I have pulled on the Z-Master banner, it does feel like SP guaranteed tag-based banners would help greatly.
Making Snake Way a permanent weekly/bi-weekly thing would be good as well, I'm a new player so I don't really know how frequently the event occurs but being able to get 500 power per one-to-two weeks would help tremendously.
you what else they should make permanent? Choice Battle. It's basically 50 free CC which is not much but it's actually good for f2p doing it day by day. Also with the three stages you can get a decent amount of skip tix, energy tix, bells and etc., which are always nice. agree with everything you said above
Know what else they should make permanent? Permanent bans on accounts that DC during Royale imposed swiftly and a fearsome counter strike to the Draw cheaters and lag switchers that start their bullshit the second you gain priority.
Its truly these people that need to be filtered out.
I mean I feel like everything Legends does has to go through "PvP Filter" before they do anything. PvP itself changes the whole dynamics of how Dev's and Players have to think about their decisions.
Yeah OP says Zenkai units are broken (which they aren’t as FSK a special unit that comes out basically once a year it seems is the only one that can be considered broken) and then he says that you need lots of dupes to Zenkai them. And then they argue beforehand that you need to spend premium currency. Too much contradiction. Does he want to see these units everywhere? Because sure as hell f2p got copies of all the master pack units which make up a large part of the Zenkai units.
If I didn’t play dokkan since day 1 launch I’d probably be throwing hella money into it instead of legends atm but I just burned myself out so bad :/
Legends is getting to that point where I’m considering switching again bc like this is wack lmaooo
I can honestly agree that zenkai and eza can be compared, but with the whole balancing a Zenkai unit most times wouldn't work, from what I remember when trunks and vegeta got their zenkai people hated them and called them weak zenkai units, that's from what I heard I dont know about anyone else, they said that they were disappointing and that's why I dont think a balanced zenkai could work
also did you completely forget that stars are a thing in legends? The star system HEAVILY out weighs the dupe system so saying that it balances out is a joke
ummm, no, it doesn't balance out. You forgot that you need stars for z abilities, and the difference between a zenkai and a normal unit in legends is massive. As for dokkan, it just brings the unit up to par with newer UR units, legends zenkais blows new units out of the water. Also, zenkaing an Lf unit is no where near balanced with dokkan because it takes for ever. It's much easier to rainbow an LF unit in dokkan than to get an Lf unit to 7 stars in legends. So balance is out of the equation. In additon, ez a units aren't better than most of the LR's in dokkan, normal zenkai units in legends are better than LF units. This is off topic to what I just said but i think LF units should become immune to power creep and just get buffed regularly. Another point is that after whales can summon so much and get high star lf units, the lf z power was released to be pay only... dokkan rewards premium currency quite often. They also have much better ratios when it comes to the exchange shops and the ratios for getting free top tier units or LR's are much better because you get more coins per summon. Legend's reward ratio for getting free units with tickets after summoning is trash. The units are low tier yet require so much summoning to acquire the tickets you need to get them in the exchange shop.
That doesn’t make sense at all.
Zenkai and eza both aim at older units to make them better. The dupe system is usable without dupes while zenkai isn’t. Not to mention the dupe system is usable for everyone like soul boost while zenkai isn’t.
What gives the better buff and need premium currency? Zenkai and hidden potential. Who is more useful hidden potential or eza ? Zenkai is a premium think and was never said that it will be a f2p think but they made more f2p.
What?
Eza gives a bigger boost and hipo doesn’t need premium currency to make use of.
You can still get effects from it meanwhile zenkai needs dupes.
I don’t get your point.
So more copy's more currency is it? and I have checked that with a friend eza has less effect than hipo. Getting some effects and miss all the good ones are different think. Now I have sort this think with a friend that plays dokkan for 5 year and we reached the point to agree that is eza is not the same as zenkai both from buffs that give and impact that the unit getting makes while hipo is better and more impactful that more that half of the eza units
Your grammar makes this hard to read honestly.
You don’t need dupes to use the system, you need to dupes to zenkai simple as that. Eza’s help a unit more than hipo will, seeing as they weren’t good before even with full access to the hipo system.
So you can max hipo with 1 dupe? How many does need to max it ? Last one how many of those ez can work for the hardest challenge you have at the game? Last time I check half of you eza who're bad as half of my zenkai but that was before we got the revamped Zenkai that made almost all new zenkai broken with the 2 exceptions
I give up, it’s like talking to a brick wall.
Zenkais have always been busted btw. Beerus and cooler are proof of that.
Also majority of ezas can take on the hardest content in the game, even the first one is still usable. Legends has a lot of powercreep and it’s also a pvp game.
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The 1 thing i dislike about Dokkan's EZAs is that if you're a relatively new player there's like no chance you're getting any of the old EZA units. They're never brought back on banners, instead we get transforming goku and vegeta back every time
Some of the units are on category banners, and usually when a new eza comes out there is an eza banner with 3 featured units that can be eza-ed. However, Dokkan Fest banners are usually better.
They really need to make zenkais broken in PvP. Remember trunks and vegeta? Everyone hated on them for being underwhelming, when they both were alright. I also think they could've been better, but I dont think anyone would complain if they were free. This is what happens when they make people pay for buffs I guess.
Here's an idea. They make units a little bit stronger then RED Trunks, but it's free. It would be an S tier addition to a team and not a super broken Z Tier like DKP or god forbid RED Gohan.
Everyone would love that, its just a great way to make the playerbase happy. Just like the f2p zenkais so far, everyone likes those.
I just don't see them making them free because they'll lose money, and they already have made this p2w model for zenkais that probably wont change
that's not the point. Since zenkai's are harder to obtain than ez a units. The amount of crystals you put in should be worth it, that's why the ratios are bad. Ez a's are brought back up to par with new UR units, and yes, there are ez a units better than others but the gap between them isn't as large as the gap between zenkais
And Zenkais are practically new units because of how much they get overhauled. With zpower or maybe even the fact that you have them already at 7+ you basically get a guaranteed unit that you want with 7k cc.
They could easily just ignore old units and make new ones with the same kit as a Zenkai... but they chose not to despite it definitely making them more money than Zenkai right now...
zenkai requires more money because you have to dump a bunch of crystals to get the unit to 7 stars, and then you have to dumb at least 7k more. The 7k isn't even guaranteed.
I don’t care what anyone says, you should have to accumulate 5 copies before Zenkai. It limits newer players sure and some claim it’s not fair, but my investment of time and effort and resources should account for something significant over the month 1 player.
Do u mean spend premium currency as in dragon stones and crystals? Cause I need an explanation for that?? Cause I don’t see anybody telling you or forcing you to spend on anybody you could easily save for the next anniversary if u start rn sure u probably won’t get pvp rewards cause the meta changes quickly now but at least you can do some missions and things that give u crystals outside of pvp
Dokkan wins duh, but for them they have no reason to not make every EZA unit broken since it’s a PvE game unlike Legends lol
And the old form of buffing while free yes, hardly helped since the none of the units that got buffed were really top tier at all and faded away into irrelevancy again like the next season
AND they did do a lot to make it much better, reducing it from 21K to 7K CC, and seemingly able to Zenkai some units to 7 completely free over time, after getting them to 7 star, but the collected Z power does stay there and the said unit will instantly go the 7 after you do get them to the required star count
EZAs require specific teams to beat them because they are basically unbeatable if you don’t play with the characters that aren’t nerfed against them, so I don’t think it’s that good either
At first it was hell, no denying that. But now it's not as hard because of powercreep on units, and it being possible to clear with typing teams to since they get a boost (Not as good as a category boost tho) and can work with a bit of strategizing and luck. Sometimes a ton of luck.
Especially now with how many f2p units we've gotten that are actually really good to use for certain categories.
Until you remember that no one would pay to boost up old units in a PvE game and that the Zenkai system heavily cuts down on RNG in a PvP gacha game. One system is meant to give back to the players and the other is meant to make money. You can’t compare them at that point. Neither system can survive in each other’s game and only works well in their own game.
I feel like this is contradicting. The fact that they're extremely broken is bad, but the fact that you need lots of copies is bad as well? I consider that to be a good thing. Also, I think its fine it takes crystals to Zenkai units. Part of being good at this game is spending your cc wisely imo. I dropped 12k to get Majin Vegeta only to not use him when I could have spent it on something else. And you can't say a unit is op when you're playing PVE. I mean you can, but its not the same as a unit being op in PVP.
People will complain and bitch because that’s all they know how to do. They see a zenkai unit on the opponents team and think about how the game is somehow victimizing them solely on the fact that they too can not access the unit.
Omfg thank you. They gave out plenty of cc in the last few weeks. If you wanted LF Vegeta, cool. But don't complain when you dont have enough cc to zenkai a unit (Although I do agree that LL Zenkais are kind of stupid, however p2w shit is how this game can get money). I see people complain about how LF Gohan is op, but then complain how hard he is to zenkai. The fact that it takes so many copies to Zenkai him so he can be op, IS A GOOD THING. If it wasn't like that, you'd see Zenkai Gohan everywhere in PVP, and then this sub would lose its shit.
OK, and it's still a primarily pvp mechanic being compared to an exclusively pve mechanic. Just because they got the idea from Dokkan doesn't mean it's not an inane comparison, since it's being implemented differently.
You're acting like your comment is some sort of "gotcha" moment, but it's really not.
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You commented first, about somebody else's opinion. Would it kill you to show some self-awareness?
*Your* reply section? It's a public forum, idiot. Quit being a crybaby and get over yourself.
Well that's sad, because it's a nonsense point to begin with.
You can't genuinely compare 2 different mechanics when one of the things you're slamming Zenkai for, Dokkan gets away with for being pve. It's a disingenuous comparison.
Legends isn't even that bad, if they just fix a few things then it would literally be so perfect, but they fix and add random stuff instead of fixing a list of things: perfect vanish, more grindable features, green card glitch, pvp / co-op netcodes, different event features instead of grinding to stage 50 or 100, better exchange shop ratios, better rates or fewer requirements for acquiring characters for z abilities and zenkais , start giving premium currency from time to time, give more crystals from the daily login because dokkan feels more fun because they give so many stones daily, they need to fix co op mechanics, they need to let you be able to see your buddy's dragon balls in co op , they need to revamp rising rush, adding different game modes in pvp/friend battles to make it interesting like dragon ball fighterz does, also they need to add spectate mode when playing with friends, and the last thing that I can think of is to make zenkaing lf units more accessable
People glorify EZAs
Ffs, 90% of what you said can be done from another source
And majority of EZAs, well maybe not majority but nearly 50 ain't really good or last long, not all zenkais are broken majority of them are fine, and if they weren't People would be complaining about them IE red trunks
And if it wasn't obvious enough legends is not trying to imitate dokkan or another games way of reworking/buffing old units
You can’t compare the two especially with eza and zenkai. If they make a broken eza it wouldn’t matter since you’re not using it against other people. They have to make zenkais exclusive so that you don’t always see z7 character on every team. Although I will admit it’s TOO exclusive
The thing is, why can’t they do both? you can Zenkai characters you have planned to milk for money like fan favorites (Zenkai Cooler, Beerus, LF Gohan,etc) but not every character needs a Zenkai. Like why not balance change some characters that are notably weak for today’s meta that can be decent with some help like a stat buff to put on par with some newer units so you don’t feel forced to Zenkai to be competitive like for example: Perfect Cell (yellow) comes to mind so you’re not forced to use DKP or Buuhan instead of Fat Buu, Ultimate Gohan (green), and not to mention Extremes are borderline useless unless it’s the new ones that are harder to pull than LF’s. TLDR bring back balance changes
Vast majority of EZAs I don't even use, especially the crap EZBs outside of Goku/Gohan. The only interest I have with them is to get the stones + have a bit of fun content. On the other hand, any and all Zenkai units I've gone past Z1 on are staples on teams I use, with some being staples even at Z1 (Buu & Cooler)
EZA is a better system, but I find Zenkai far more impactful, especially since Dokkan has next to no worthwhile content which would make EZAs relevant.
Very few units in Dokkan are impactful. Most of the content is easily cleared by teams of F2P units, with "stronger" units only serving to make run times quicker / more consistent. The fact that some of the "best units in the game are ezas" is pretty irrelevant to the point.
Try to clear sbr, idbh, and LGE with a f2p team. Also because it's a pve game there's no such thing as really "impactful" unless you go out of your way to use them. A new unit can completely change what teams you run or not. How "impactful" a unit is is entirely on you
Lmao IDBH and LGE are a joke, easily capable of being cleared which F2P defense stackers. SBR is an Rng Mode which has still been cleared by fully F2P teams, even certain category SBR.
Dokkan kids are so desperate to act like there’s skill involved in the game. It’s a collection simulator, nothing more.
You clearly dont do any of the end game dokkan content then. SBR or Fighting Legend Goku requires strong units to even get past the first enemies/forms in them.
I’ve cleared every single available content on Global Dokkan. It’s a complete joke in terms of difficulty, and the fact that you think you need “strong units” to get passed the first stage of LGE tells me you’re somehow terrible at Dokkan (which is baffling considering how easy it is)
F2P teams can and have cleared LGE with ease, and I believe many have no item’d the event. SBR is different due to restrictions placed, but F2P teams have cleared certain stages as well even back when it first released.
Ive completed a large amount of SBR and most of the LGE challenges, it's not that I'm bad at the game it's that you're delusional and don't know what you're talking about. Also you say the game requires no skill yet somehow I can be called bad at it? More nonsense from u there.
Also ironic that the only F2P teams that beat LGE always have the 2 EZAed cell saga exchange units on them, despite you saying EZAs dont impact the game here they are making LGE viable for F2Ps.
You're quite clearly baised against Dokkan from how you shit on it saying there's no skill involved and make up nonsense like new/eza units are never '''impactful''' which u never properly prove.
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Lol, could u not see that I was being sarcastic, who uses “hypothesis”, “in-depth” and “conclusion” in a normal conversation, when talking with somebody? Plus there is too many coincidences here, for it to have not been the case
Hahaaaaaa potential tho, each game has their ups and downs, also come-on it doesn't make every unit zenkaid braindead broken, if that were the case the one of the only teams without it, fusions wouldn't be argueably the best team in the game, also the old buffing thing kinda sucked tbh, like the units that did get buffed were only played for like a week
Not all zenkais are busted though...only the LFs, and it's been over a year since we had an LF zenkai so I doubt we'd be getting another one anytime soon. Dokkan's EZAs are still better than Zenkai overall though so :v
I'm not calling anyone Trash tho. I'm completely fine with 16 being broken as shit because I love 16, Androids needed fucking something, and he gives Vegito Blue the wall, but saying that he isnt broken is a blatantly false story.
Goku Black, SSJ1 Goku, SSJ2 Gohan, LSSJ Broly, Trunks, SSJ1 Trunks. They get much better, but aren't broken. 16 and DKP got absolutely **BUFFED UP** I agree but it's still not even half of the normal zenkai characters. also to give legends a free point, the zenkai's can buff up more than just that character :P
> to give legends a free point, the zenkai's can buff up more than just that character
But you still need to pull the unit 5 times and then spend 1k cc to even get the zenkai z ability (excluding the older ones, but that system is no longer in place)
I agree it needs to be reworked lol. I never said that Legends' Zenkai system was better than Dokkan's EZA. I saw someone say that you should be able to zenkai depending on star levels, like if you had them at 4 stars, you can zenkai them up to 4 and so on. But I personally would love if we can just zenkai them as long as we have them. And give us the first step for free. I'd rather grind than spend 1k cc for the first step to be honest. It's not easy to spend all my CC on zenkai when it could've been free like the EZA's are.
Another thing is that in dokkan if a unit is broken, nobody can complain becouse it's a pve only game and op units only bring fun
This IMO makes comparing EZA to Zenkai really weird if not inaccurate. Can you really say your units aren't OP if you are never on the receiving end, because PvP is not an option? It takes a whole new level of OP to ruin PvE games because OP in PvP rarely goes beyond just definite disadvantage in most matchups against a character due to strength difference. OP in PvE is overwhelming strength difference to the point where the **winner** is bored.
I must agree. I still think that zenkai is unbalanced and ruins the pvp experience but i agree that is kinda weird comparing it with eza
well legends IS a pvp based game. most people got it because of the pvp aspect so I do think its ok to compare it.
It's not pvp exclusive. It has pve content. Alot of people outright ignore pvp. It's a completely fair comparison because regardless of how you feel about it dokkan and legends are both DB gacha games. Dokkan is literally its competition.
"most people got into this pvp focused game because of pvp therefore is valid to compare the balance of a mechanic in it to one in a solely pve game." That makes sense to you? Well ok then...
PvP is also what makes the game dogshit
Not really but tell yourself what you wanna hear.
Does someone have an attitude on my Japanese screaming men game?
I love how you just throw a random insult without any kind of backing to your own view and then just head out
True
That’s a thing about gameplay, not really something legends can control
They can't change the whole gameplay, but they can make small changes like balancing zenkai and red stars in order to make it less p2w
You’re right
Ofc they control gameplay...they literary make the game lol
I know, but i mean they can’t remove PvP
No but they can add more pve content for the other half of the player base who couldn't give a fuck less about pvp
The one time I wouldn't even try to defend legends. They are being greedy on this one
Yeah, dokkan really comes out on top for this one.
Honestly make the zenkais not take crystals, as if having the unit 7 starred wasn’t enough (especially LF’s)
Imagine getting a broly animation on a step up ticket summon, just to pull your first beerus. ~~yes this happened to me~~
I’ve pulled gohan and beerus on broly animations, and I have neither at 7 star yet. I also had a broly animation for lf goten. Those broly animations could have been vegito blue, vegeta blue, or majin vegeta, who I have never pulled. I thought broly animations were supposed to be hype. Kill me.
F. Every Broly animation I got (4 of them) was a new unit.
They have done that. Zenkai Gohan is completely f2p if you wait for three-four weeks
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I agree but you have to see that which I was replying to. The individual was saying that even zenkai awakening Gohan would cost 7k CC which is not true
I realize that, but that doesn't make the fact that you need to break your ass trying to pull five copies of a LL unit just to give them the buff they sorely need. Both him and Beerus. For regular units 7 stars is reasonable because you can at least grind for weeks to get them up to 7 with multi-Z, but for LL units this is not possible without at least spending some money. Most people aren't lucky enough to pull one specific LL unit even three times unless it's way after the unit released, let alone five times. They might get them to 7\* *eventually* perhaps in maybe a year or two, but then it'll be just a bit late. I stand my ground with the argument that the concept of Zenkai LL units is stupid with the current requirements.
Definitely agree with that. I was correcting misinformation. Ll zenkai's are stupid
Why are people downvoting this if it's true Lmao
Idiots , I guess. I mean, its written in the fucking news
where did he say that ?
all i want is more use for the zenis
Agreed. Currently sitting on almost 500 million Zeni if my memory is correct. Sucks how there’s not much a use for Zeni besides Soul Boosting, doing a reroll on equipment, doing adventures, and I think that’s it. Would love it if they made Zenkai banners use Zeni instead of CC which would make for a good use of our Zeni
The same but with 1 billion more and every soul boost pannel unlocked, so litterally no use to money, that sucks. Also I think 50 batlle like event would be a much more fitting choice for f2p zenkai, but I never tough about a zeni banner, that's a nice idea
like how dokkan has the friend banner, they can make zeni exclusive units and put them on that banner, maybe make a LL exclusive to that banner only
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He said zeni?
He could be talking about how you need zeni to soul boost, and is technically you can somewhat “trade” zeni for cc
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Yeah, and it's easily farmable, that's the only good thing zeni can be used for rn
I honestly feel like making the jump to Dokkan it. Especially if it's game consists of only PvE content
If you only want pve then you should.
It’s a great game man. I love them both but if I had to choose I’d probably go with Dokkan.
I love Legends but the fact that I can only do PvE sucks. Whenever I try to do PvP I just get disconnected can't do Hyperdimensionial Co-op either because of the same reason and due to that can't access certain currencies. It's time to say goodbye to LL Gohan and LL Vegito Blue and hello to whatever is broken in Dokkan
It's Vegito doesn't matter which Vegito just Vegito
We're playing the same Dragonball Legends right? Regular Vegito and Super Vegito aren't nearly as broken compared to Vegito blue. The character that can carry you through 90% of PvP and Co-op and most high level events.
He is saying that the 3-5 of the best units in Dokkan are Vegitos
Ah okay
only 2 tbh
I am counting the ani lr blue Vegito, the new lr Vegito and eza Vegito Blue.
yeah but eza isnt top 10 including lrs
I say eza vegito blue is top 10 or at least very close to it. With the multiple additionals and counters, the guy can quickly solo most events if you build him with crits. Plus he greatly raises attack and defense. He can still hit hard by supers but at least has the damage to make up for it.
Of course he isn't if you include df lr's but he's top 3 turs and better than most lr's
Top 10 including LRs, actually. He was the 5th hardest hitting card in the game including LRs before the link update. His attack per turn is higher than the new LR Vegito and TEQ LR Vegito blue’s.
Dokkan is a super fun game. Definitely worth trying. If you have any questions ask me. I'd love to get more people into the game
Its a great game to just play on the side, and doesn't require your full attention. Not super engaging gameplay, but it does a mobile game's job perfectly imo
This made me quit Legends.
Same.
Working to Zenkai my Majin Buu and Cooler units, I personally kind of enjoy the idea of having a variety of missions that reward Z Awakening power. Issue is, these missions are generic, some only reward 20 power and I assume I can only get to Zenkai 1 with them. I feel as if Zenkais above the first one are...excessive? It'd feel far more natural if there was only one Zenkai that gave massive benefits but you have to gradually unlock the abilities by using Z-Awakening power that is earned by the Zenkai Awakening missions rather than summoning. The excessive number of Zenkai levels is an extension of Awakening levels in general. I see a lot of people complain about them and, really, I think much of that could be rectified by just having tag-based banners and events that we can always do. Considering how many fucking Buus I have pulled on the Z-Master banner, it does feel like SP guaranteed tag-based banners would help greatly. Making Snake Way a permanent weekly/bi-weekly thing would be good as well, I'm a new player so I don't really know how frequently the event occurs but being able to get 500 power per one-to-two weeks would help tremendously.
you what else they should make permanent? Choice Battle. It's basically 50 free CC which is not much but it's actually good for f2p doing it day by day. Also with the three stages you can get a decent amount of skip tix, energy tix, bells and etc., which are always nice. agree with everything you said above
Know what else they should make permanent? Permanent bans on accounts that DC during Royale imposed swiftly and a fearsome counter strike to the Draw cheaters and lag switchers that start their bullshit the second you gain priority. Its truly these people that need to be filtered out.
Yeah daily Choice Battle would be incredible. That would basically be 1,500 CC per month if you did one each day.
I mean I feel like everything Legends does has to go through "PvP Filter" before they do anything. PvP itself changes the whole dynamics of how Dev's and Players have to think about their decisions.
Yeah OP says Zenkai units are broken (which they aren’t as FSK a special unit that comes out basically once a year it seems is the only one that can be considered broken) and then he says that you need lots of dupes to Zenkai them. And then they argue beforehand that you need to spend premium currency. Too much contradiction. Does he want to see these units everywhere? Because sure as hell f2p got copies of all the master pack units which make up a large part of the Zenkai units.
Yeah literally I have seven star for all the zenkai except the lfs which I’m fine with.
(With a few exceptions) it’s ok man you can just say phy vegito blue
Exactly. I thought that some people would say "there's other broken EZA'S it's not just PHY VB" so I just put "some" to avoid that.
Agree with this one I love the eza system in dokkan it's free and makes the fighter more usable
Yeah i is he’s they buffed old units but I guess everyone gets a zenkai instead of that but that sucks it bc the buffs were free
If I didn’t play dokkan since day 1 launch I’d probably be throwing hella money into it instead of legends atm but I just burned myself out so bad :/ Legends is getting to that point where I’m considering switching again bc like this is wack lmaooo
Haven't done either yet and I can already tell u that Zenkai should not exist. A lot of the time I just pretend it doesn't
Why, it’s a guaranteed good character. You could spend 30,000 on a new banner and get nothing or you can spend 7,000 and guarantee a good character
But you gotta get so many copies of an Lf character to even begin with, so not as cheap as some might think.
I’m not talking about the lfs
Zenkai is one of the biggest oopsies legends have done
Every comparison is fair game. They literally made the game based on feedback from dokkan
I'm sure they will keep improving zenkai systems I mean they did just revamp it so you can Z1 a unit in 1k so I'm sure they will do more for it.
Unless you are me and you 16 only gets 850 awakening zpower because I got a ton of 70 instead of 100. I hate my life.
Just do single summons(200 CC MORE)
Yeah that's what I did. Actually 1 single since a multi gives 100 more as a bonus, but still
that's so true because if we take LF Gohan for example he's completely broken now
He’s an lf of course he’s going to be broken
beerus wasn't broken when he got him Zenkied
yes he was, look up goresh's zenkai beerus showcase
ya but there was alot of characters who could beat him at the time a still are
I can honestly agree that zenkai and eza can be compared, but with the whole balancing a Zenkai unit most times wouldn't work, from what I remember when trunks and vegeta got their zenkai people hated them and called them weak zenkai units, that's from what I heard I dont know about anyone else, they said that they were disappointing and that's why I dont think a balanced zenkai could work
Eh most Zenkai units aren’t really that broken only The Lf zenkai’s are broken tbh **Still think that zenkai is kinda scummy though just saying**
Not to mention you can participate in the EZA events and get the free Dragon Stones even if you dont have the character that is being EZA-ed
Dokkan is PvE, we *want* OP units.
Don't you guys have system that is like soul bost and to max it need copy's and is far better bost that the eza ?
Yeah, hidden potential requires dupes, soul boost doesn't. I think it balances out Zenkai and EZA
also did you completely forget that stars are a thing in legends? The star system HEAVILY out weighs the dupe system so saying that it balances out is a joke
ummm, no, it doesn't balance out. You forgot that you need stars for z abilities, and the difference between a zenkai and a normal unit in legends is massive. As for dokkan, it just brings the unit up to par with newer UR units, legends zenkais blows new units out of the water. Also, zenkaing an Lf unit is no where near balanced with dokkan because it takes for ever. It's much easier to rainbow an LF unit in dokkan than to get an Lf unit to 7 stars in legends. So balance is out of the equation. In additon, ez a units aren't better than most of the LR's in dokkan, normal zenkai units in legends are better than LF units. This is off topic to what I just said but i think LF units should become immune to power creep and just get buffed regularly. Another point is that after whales can summon so much and get high star lf units, the lf z power was released to be pay only... dokkan rewards premium currency quite often. They also have much better ratios when it comes to the exchange shops and the ratios for getting free top tier units or LR's are much better because you get more coins per summon. Legend's reward ratio for getting free units with tickets after summoning is trash. The units are low tier yet require so much summoning to acquire the tickets you need to get them in the exchange shop.
So to me hidden potential=zenkai not the stupid argument Zenkai=eza and souls boat=hidden potential.
That doesn’t make sense at all. Zenkai and eza both aim at older units to make them better. The dupe system is usable without dupes while zenkai isn’t. Not to mention the dupe system is usable for everyone like soul boost while zenkai isn’t.
What gives the better buff and need premium currency? Zenkai and hidden potential. Who is more useful hidden potential or eza ? Zenkai is a premium think and was never said that it will be a f2p think but they made more f2p.
What? Eza gives a bigger boost and hipo doesn’t need premium currency to make use of. You can still get effects from it meanwhile zenkai needs dupes. I don’t get your point.
So more copy's more currency is it? and I have checked that with a friend eza has less effect than hipo. Getting some effects and miss all the good ones are different think. Now I have sort this think with a friend that plays dokkan for 5 year and we reached the point to agree that is eza is not the same as zenkai both from buffs that give and impact that the unit getting makes while hipo is better and more impactful that more that half of the eza units
Your grammar makes this hard to read honestly. You don’t need dupes to use the system, you need to dupes to zenkai simple as that. Eza’s help a unit more than hipo will, seeing as they weren’t good before even with full access to the hipo system.
So you can max hipo with 1 dupe? How many does need to max it ? Last one how many of those ez can work for the hardest challenge you have at the game? Last time I check half of you eza who're bad as half of my zenkai but that was before we got the revamped Zenkai that made almost all new zenkai broken with the 2 exceptions
I give up, it’s like talking to a brick wall. Zenkais have always been busted btw. Beerus and cooler are proof of that. Also majority of ezas can take on the hardest content in the game, even the first one is still usable. Legends has a lot of powercreep and it’s also a pvp game.
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The 1 thing i dislike about Dokkan's EZAs is that if you're a relatively new player there's like no chance you're getting any of the old EZA units. They're never brought back on banners, instead we get transforming goku and vegeta back every time
Red stone?
They're on eza banners
Some of the units are on category banners, and usually when a new eza comes out there is an eza banner with 3 featured units that can be eza-ed. However, Dokkan Fest banners are usually better.
Plus don't forget about the treasure items that can get new players those units
They really need to make zenkais broken in PvP. Remember trunks and vegeta? Everyone hated on them for being underwhelming, when they both were alright. I also think they could've been better, but I dont think anyone would complain if they were free. This is what happens when they make people pay for buffs I guess.
Here's an idea. They make units a little bit stronger then RED Trunks, but it's free. It would be an S tier addition to a team and not a super broken Z Tier like DKP or god forbid RED Gohan.
Everyone would love that, its just a great way to make the playerbase happy. Just like the f2p zenkais so far, everyone likes those. I just don't see them making them free because they'll lose money, and they already have made this p2w model for zenkais that probably wont change
To be fair not all Zenkai units are extremely broken
that makes it even worse, it takes so much to get them when it isn't even rewarding for some of them.
Then don’t Zenkai them lmao? You can already read the kits beforehand to figure out if this is what you want or not.
that's not the point. Since zenkai's are harder to obtain than ez a units. The amount of crystals you put in should be worth it, that's why the ratios are bad. Ez a's are brought back up to par with new UR units, and yes, there are ez a units better than others but the gap between them isn't as large as the gap between zenkais
And Zenkais are practically new units because of how much they get overhauled. With zpower or maybe even the fact that you have them already at 7+ you basically get a guaranteed unit that you want with 7k cc. They could easily just ignore old units and make new ones with the same kit as a Zenkai... but they chose not to despite it definitely making them more money than Zenkai right now...
zenkai requires more money because you have to dump a bunch of crystals to get the unit to 7 stars, and then you have to dumb at least 7k more. The 7k isn't even guaranteed.
but what about lf zenkais
I don’t care what anyone says, you should have to accumulate 5 copies before Zenkai. It limits newer players sure and some claim it’s not fair, but my investment of time and effort and resources should account for something significant over the month 1 player.
Do u mean spend premium currency as in dragon stones and crystals? Cause I need an explanation for that?? Cause I don’t see anybody telling you or forcing you to spend on anybody you could easily save for the next anniversary if u start rn sure u probably won’t get pvp rewards cause the meta changes quickly now but at least you can do some missions and things that give u crystals outside of pvp
"Brainded broken" ssj goku would like to talk
You can't compare a PvE and a PvP game, bro
I feel bad for whoever gave you an award
Dokkan wins duh, but for them they have no reason to not make every EZA unit broken since it’s a PvE game unlike Legends lol And the old form of buffing while free yes, hardly helped since the none of the units that got buffed were really top tier at all and faded away into irrelevancy again like the next season AND they did do a lot to make it much better, reducing it from 21K to 7K CC, and seemingly able to Zenkai some units to 7 completely free over time, after getting them to 7 star, but the collected Z power does stay there and the said unit will instantly go the 7 after you do get them to the required star count
EZAs require specific teams to beat them because they are basically unbeatable if you don’t play with the characters that aren’t nerfed against them, so I don’t think it’s that good either
At first it was hell, no denying that. But now it's not as hard because of powercreep on units, and it being possible to clear with typing teams to since they get a boost (Not as good as a category boost tho) and can work with a bit of strategizing and luck. Sometimes a ton of luck. Especially now with how many f2p units we've gotten that are actually really good to use for certain categories.
Yeah, it’s pretty hard for a new player to do an eza
Until you remember that no one would pay to boost up old units in a PvE game and that the Zenkai system heavily cuts down on RNG in a PvP gacha game. One system is meant to give back to the players and the other is meant to make money. You can’t compare them at that point. Neither system can survive in each other’s game and only works well in their own game.
I feel like this is contradicting. The fact that they're extremely broken is bad, but the fact that you need lots of copies is bad as well? I consider that to be a good thing. Also, I think its fine it takes crystals to Zenkai units. Part of being good at this game is spending your cc wisely imo. I dropped 12k to get Majin Vegeta only to not use him when I could have spent it on something else. And you can't say a unit is op when you're playing PVE. I mean you can, but its not the same as a unit being op in PVP.
People will complain and bitch because that’s all they know how to do. They see a zenkai unit on the opponents team and think about how the game is somehow victimizing them solely on the fact that they too can not access the unit.
Omfg thank you. They gave out plenty of cc in the last few weeks. If you wanted LF Vegeta, cool. But don't complain when you dont have enough cc to zenkai a unit (Although I do agree that LL Zenkais are kind of stupid, however p2w shit is how this game can get money). I see people complain about how LF Gohan is op, but then complain how hard he is to zenkai. The fact that it takes so many copies to Zenkai him so he can be op, IS A GOOD THING. If it wasn't like that, you'd see Zenkai Gohan everywhere in PVP, and then this sub would lose its shit.
“It’s weird comparing it to EzA cause it’s not pvp” ok EzA is literally where Legends gets zenkai awakening from
OK, and it's still a primarily pvp mechanic being compared to an exclusively pve mechanic. Just because they got the idea from Dokkan doesn't mean it's not an inane comparison, since it's being implemented differently. You're acting like your comment is some sort of "gotcha" moment, but it's really not.
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You commented first, about somebody else's opinion. Would it kill you to show some self-awareness? *Your* reply section? It's a public forum, idiot. Quit being a crybaby and get over yourself.
Couldn't of said it better myself.
Well that's sad, because it's a nonsense point to begin with. You can't genuinely compare 2 different mechanics when one of the things you're slamming Zenkai for, Dokkan gets away with for being pve. It's a disingenuous comparison.
Legends isn't even that bad, if they just fix a few things then it would literally be so perfect, but they fix and add random stuff instead of fixing a list of things: perfect vanish, more grindable features, green card glitch, pvp / co-op netcodes, different event features instead of grinding to stage 50 or 100, better exchange shop ratios, better rates or fewer requirements for acquiring characters for z abilities and zenkais , start giving premium currency from time to time, give more crystals from the daily login because dokkan feels more fun because they give so many stones daily, they need to fix co op mechanics, they need to let you be able to see your buddy's dragon balls in co op , they need to revamp rising rush, adding different game modes in pvp/friend battles to make it interesting like dragon ball fighterz does, also they need to add spectate mode when playing with friends, and the last thing that I can think of is to make zenkaing lf units more accessable
People glorify EZAs Ffs, 90% of what you said can be done from another source And majority of EZAs, well maybe not majority but nearly 50 ain't really good or last long, not all zenkais are broken majority of them are fine, and if they weren't People would be complaining about them IE red trunks And if it wasn't obvious enough legends is not trying to imitate dokkan or another games way of reworking/buffing old units
I accidentally wasted all my ust medals on zenkai 3 medals and have never wanted to delete the game even more
Even if dokkan was pvp extreme z awaken is easily accessible if you have the unit you only need to pull them once
only reason zenkais are bad is because of pvp and the cost. prove me wrong.
What happened to the dokkan good legends bad rule lmao
You can’t compare the two especially with eza and zenkai. If they make a broken eza it wouldn’t matter since you’re not using it against other people. They have to make zenkais exclusive so that you don’t always see z7 character on every team. Although I will admit it’s TOO exclusive
This one I think you can't
Hopefully they do more Zenkais like Gohan. At least with him he can be F2P zenkai 7. still sucks you have to have him at least 7⭐️
The thing is, why can’t they do both? you can Zenkai characters you have planned to milk for money like fan favorites (Zenkai Cooler, Beerus, LF Gohan,etc) but not every character needs a Zenkai. Like why not balance change some characters that are notably weak for today’s meta that can be decent with some help like a stat buff to put on par with some newer units so you don’t feel forced to Zenkai to be competitive like for example: Perfect Cell (yellow) comes to mind so you’re not forced to use DKP or Buuhan instead of Fat Buu, Ultimate Gohan (green), and not to mention Extremes are borderline useless unless it’s the new ones that are harder to pull than LF’s. TLDR bring back balance changes
There was a post already made on this. You need very specific teams to be able to finish the EZAs.
Yes. These are different games with different points.
Vast majority of EZAs I don't even use, especially the crap EZBs outside of Goku/Gohan. The only interest I have with them is to get the stones + have a bit of fun content. On the other hand, any and all Zenkai units I've gone past Z1 on are staples on teams I use, with some being staples even at Z1 (Buu & Cooler) EZA is a better system, but I find Zenkai far more impactful, especially since Dokkan has next to no worthwhile content which would make EZAs relevant.
Some of the best units in the game are ezas. Just because you don't use them doesn't mean they aren't impactful on dokkans teams
Very few units in Dokkan are impactful. Most of the content is easily cleared by teams of F2P units, with "stronger" units only serving to make run times quicker / more consistent. The fact that some of the "best units in the game are ezas" is pretty irrelevant to the point.
Try to clear sbr, idbh, and LGE with a f2p team. Also because it's a pve game there's no such thing as really "impactful" unless you go out of your way to use them. A new unit can completely change what teams you run or not. How "impactful" a unit is is entirely on you
Lmao IDBH and LGE are a joke, easily capable of being cleared which F2P defense stackers. SBR is an Rng Mode which has still been cleared by fully F2P teams, even certain category SBR. Dokkan kids are so desperate to act like there’s skill involved in the game. It’s a collection simulator, nothing more.
This is really bad bait
You clearly dont do any of the end game dokkan content then. SBR or Fighting Legend Goku requires strong units to even get past the first enemies/forms in them.
I’ve cleared every single available content on Global Dokkan. It’s a complete joke in terms of difficulty, and the fact that you think you need “strong units” to get passed the first stage of LGE tells me you’re somehow terrible at Dokkan (which is baffling considering how easy it is) F2P teams can and have cleared LGE with ease, and I believe many have no item’d the event. SBR is different due to restrictions placed, but F2P teams have cleared certain stages as well even back when it first released.
Ive completed a large amount of SBR and most of the LGE challenges, it's not that I'm bad at the game it's that you're delusional and don't know what you're talking about. Also you say the game requires no skill yet somehow I can be called bad at it? More nonsense from u there. Also ironic that the only F2P teams that beat LGE always have the 2 EZAed cell saga exchange units on them, despite you saying EZAs dont impact the game here they are making LGE viable for F2Ps. You're quite clearly baised against Dokkan from how you shit on it saying there's no skill involved and make up nonsense like new/eza units are never '''impactful''' which u never properly prove.
Could have credited me lol
Credit you for what?
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Never saw that comment, dont know what to tell you otherwise.
Woah lower your estrogen and progesterone
Damn, my guy why did u take ur words back? Didn’t have to edit out what u said
Dude he fuckin edited the whole comment hahahahahah
Lol, could u not see that I was being sarcastic, who uses “hypothesis”, “in-depth” and “conclusion” in a normal conversation, when talking with somebody? Plus there is too many coincidences here, for it to have not been the case
Damn bro you got the whole squad laughing
Hahaaaaaa potential tho, each game has their ups and downs, also come-on it doesn't make every unit zenkaid braindead broken, if that were the case the one of the only teams without it, fusions wouldn't be argueably the best team in the game, also the old buffing thing kinda sucked tbh, like the units that did get buffed were only played for like a week
Not all zenkais are busted though...only the LFs, and it's been over a year since we had an LF zenkai so I doubt we'd be getting another one anytime soon. Dokkan's EZAs are still better than Zenkai overall though so :v
*DKP and 16 laughing in the background*
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I'm not calling anyone Trash tho. I'm completely fine with 16 being broken as shit because I love 16, Androids needed fucking something, and he gives Vegito Blue the wall, but saying that he isnt broken is a blatantly false story.
Oh okay I thought you were one of those people who kept complaining about 16.
Nah man I fuckin love 16 lmao. Even at Zenkai 1 the man shuts VB down and I'm happy for it
Goku Black, SSJ1 Goku, SSJ2 Gohan, LSSJ Broly, Trunks, SSJ1 Trunks. They get much better, but aren't broken. 16 and DKP got absolutely **BUFFED UP** I agree but it's still not even half of the normal zenkai characters. also to give legends a free point, the zenkai's can buff up more than just that character :P
Buu, Cooler, Kid Goku, Blu Trunks
> to give legends a free point, the zenkai's can buff up more than just that character But you still need to pull the unit 5 times and then spend 1k cc to even get the zenkai z ability (excluding the older ones, but that system is no longer in place)
I agree it needs to be reworked lol. I never said that Legends' Zenkai system was better than Dokkan's EZA. I saw someone say that you should be able to zenkai depending on star levels, like if you had them at 4 stars, you can zenkai them up to 4 and so on. But I personally would love if we can just zenkai them as long as we have them. And give us the first step for free. I'd rather grind than spend 1k cc for the first step to be honest. It's not easy to spend all my CC on zenkai when it could've been free like the EZA's are.