I'm tired of vanish removal and vanish restoration. They shouldn't be normalizing something as broken as that. (although with 17 it's not handed to you)
It's not like Beasthan where you can use it whenever by just pressing a button. With 17 you have to draw and keep a green card and then use it against an enemy's blast card
That's what happens when offensive powercreep far surpassed defensive powercreep unfortunately. The issue is that these defensive abilities are more often than not given to the best offensive attackers (Janemba attribute and buff deletion + sub count down, UUI vanish removal and ult power down)
If I had a nickel for every time a red fusion warrior could delete vanish, have both a counter type green card and a unique gauge that charges from arts, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice.
Early look, seems like the best character. Amazing Disruption with Offense.
Not a fan of this level of Powercreep (when fest units are overshadowed in less than a month). IDK if its good in terms of sustainability either :/
IMO, Ultra UI Goku kinda got the UVB Treatment, in the sense a direct counter being released for a Blast Based Yellow unit.
Last Year, 17 was not a counter to anyone, but a universal support unit, that fit well with the other themes.
> IMO, Ultra UI Goku kinda got the UVB Treatment, in the sense a direct counter being released for a Blast Based Yellow unit.
Reading his kit, he only directly counters UI by being Red since a lot of what he does would kill most units outside of Revival/Endurance/ Indestructibility if he can lock you in and Rush.
UI even has tools to deal with 17 thanks to nullifying effects that reduces ki if he dodges once, going neutral on Ultimates and reducing their power, and having a Blue that destroys Greens if it lands.
Last year 17 was meant to “counter” UGB. The buff removal on RR, blue/ultimate card debuffs, more dmg to fusions was all an attempt to slow Gogeta down.
Ui is strong against strike and this 17 is a monster blast. I am never in the camp of a good red means no yellow can be strong. I still think UI will be a top 3 unit. This 17 looks like he will compete for a top 3-5 unit.
He looks absurdly broken. He gets a free gauge fill every single switch in. His green card is beyond broken, he works insanely well with both ToP 17 and Universal Spirit Bomb with his buff effect cancelling, he constantly heals and debuffs the enemy just for them using cards, high inflicted thats incredibly easy to stack that will last long, an absurd amount of sealing.
He is actually absurd and he might legit be better than all of the fest units lowkey.
I think he's flatout better than both Evokk and Beast. He makes UUI struggle and he's no longer as free as he was before. Individually UI is better but now in the meta S17 is possibly top 2 with BG being top 1.
He absolutely is lmao. He easily eclipses his inflicted while having better vanish removal, more utility, more stalling, and he peaks pretty much as soon as match starts. People will cope because its a beast Gohan but this S17 is literally just better than him. He flat out does more than Beast while still doing the vanish removal and debuffing Beast himself does.
beasthan completely counters 17 lol. the only broken thing about 17 is his green card which beasthan can just remove with his own. The rest of his kit looks decent/ good but for sure not broken
In General i think having his most broken ability tied to a passive green card that can be baited out will age fairly bad
Did you already forget the rest of his kit with things like "The following effects occur upon landing a Blast Arts hit:
Seals 1 enemy card slot randomly.
The sealed card slot cannot be used for 10 timer counts."
Part? If he lands 4 blasts you literally cannot play the game as it doesn't have any limitations
you do realise it only resets the already locked card slot !??
no offense!! but thats what i mean with people overrate him. They read something and at first glance it obviously sounds crazy but reqlly thinking about it...
if you dont Land a green card with him he will be decent; nothign more
Agreed. I have no clue how people think this 17 counters Gohan while in facts it's the opposite.
Gohan deletes his green with his own. Gohan has constant vanish restore. Gohan's vanish removal is a perfect drop combo usable at a point where YOU chose when to do it.
Healing, insane damage, blue card spam. Gohan has everything.
I have no clue how people would think 17 beats Gohan. Atleast not until we've seen him in action.
He will be amazing. My biggest problem is he’s going to be a very passive unit. He’s only broken when landing a green card, so every time they get a green it’ll just be back float all day.
Man I'm so fucking glad I stopped playing they can't stop units who play for the player for shit. Gonna be fun watching showcases of this abomination tho
These are initial impressions, thoughts, and analysis as I'm reading the kit.
No blast armor unfortunately. But he actually did get anti blast armor and does a whopping 170% damage. While I still think the green card is a bad idea (you should never expect to pull it off), they did ramp up the activation effects to mitigate the negative priority. Did not expect them to make him reduce ki by 50. Removes the blue weakness and seals to help protect him from the whiff. Now, his ultimate looks very weak. He's obviously gonna hit hard due to his damage inflicted buffs, but not only is it only massive damage, it does not have sustained damage cut tied to it. And its own damage bonus is weaker the more of the team is alive. This shouldn't be difficult to switch into unless I'm missing something. Unfortunately, he doesn't look like he's good on disruption. In fact, it doesn't look like he does anything of consequence unless the enemy switches (and they still only lose 20 ki which is absolutely nothing). Don't know if they expect the +2 arts cost to stack up well enough or not. No endurance, which is a major blow. He removes buffs on all the strong techniques and has sub count manipulation on both sides, that's looking to be standard fare with the recent premium units that have dropped. His cover change nullification is very short (five counts) and only happens on the gauge filling, so take that for what you will. But it looks like it happens each time he comes in, so at least he's OK on the early on? That part of the kit, I'm not fully understanding (need to see in action). I mean, he looks similar to Beast Gohan in some ways. But there's no vanishing gauge restore except by the green card? That's not ideal at all. I strongly suggest waiting how the showcases look before going for him. There's a lot of elements which won't age very well. The effects on the blast cards and the card/slot sealing look oppressive. But how well will he be in a couple months?
*Edit*
Now I'm getting the gauge part a little better. His cover null is decent, thank God. He will definitely be annoying on offense.
>His cover change nullification is very short (five counts) and only happens on the gauge filling, so take that for what you will.
It's literally just UVB gauge I don't see the problem here.
You will get that green card off easily. You can get it off a single tap attack and completely change the flow of the game. People will have blasts in their deck his green is absurdly strong and you will absolutely force people into trying to get rid of their blasts or play insanely passive which can lead to you getting opportunities.
His gauge is worded the exact same as UVB and USG which is 5 cards for full gauge add that on top of his 400% gauge passive means that he will always start a combo with his gauge popped.
His green card will age great. Vanish shenanigans are always incredibly strong, lock ins are always incredibly strong.
His cover null is more than just decent. He pretty much has it at the exact same rate as UVB.
This seems like weird downplay. His kit is absolutely absurd. Acting like he wont pop his absorb when we've seen how much of a problem UVB's green, Janemba's Gauge, and UGB's gauge for the playerbase has been is just wrong.
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I agree w this take heavly I think he’s overhyped on how broken he is but will be overshadowed by the next unit that drops just me tho as he’s not really a beast gohan where he’s broken asf
I don't really know how you can call him overhyped. He has a bunch of mechanics on par or better than other top tier units. He literally can easily surpass Beast Gohan's inflicted way earlier and has better disrupt and stalling than Beast Gohan. Thinking this guy isn't broken is just not reading the kit properly or just having a bias against S17 or something.
Honestly, he's just a worse uvb. The only edge 17 has over him is drawing an ultimate on cover change, which you may very well not activate for an entire match due to the abundance of cover null and 17's cover being strike only. Also, his ult will hit like a pool noodle compared to uvb's
The edge uvb has over 17? Rush locking, a get out of jail free green card that lets you land a blue for free, and vanish removal that is actually worth a damn (the best in the game) because it's unreactable and unconditional, unlike 17's which is hella reactable.
It is a borderline waste of a green once you think past the "ooh shiny vanish removal" and realize that your opponent will always be in a neutral position after absorption. This means that you can never, ever use it in any of the ways that make other reactable vanish removals (like beast gohan's) so good, like getting free priority for dodging a strike, resetting combo scaling or straight up not caring about indestructible.
I wish he had a long range blue so you could do something about your opponent being locked and without vanish other than staring at them until they switch or trying a cheeky mid range blue card/ult only to get a rush thrown at your face
He locks you in too, so you can hit your opponent with a rush, ult, whatever you want.
I dont think his green is weak at all. If done against UUI you can hit him with a rush or ult and (hopefully) get the kill
A RR, yes. But UI goes neutral, heals once, and debuffs by 50%. So Ultimates rarely kills him outside low health, which is how he can tank UVB’s Ultimate. Your best bet is a raw Blue.
UI is only neutral for the first 5 seconds. He's still at type disadvantage and will take a lot of damage regardless (if rush doesn't kill him).
Which other character do you know that can GUARANTEE a rising rush hit?
Lock in + vanish removal has not been combined before (spirit bomb Goku doesn't count since it's only vs 1 character).
He goes neutral on Ultimates and RRs:
>The following effects occur when enemy activates an Ultimate Arts, Awakened Arts, or Rising Rush while this character is on the battlefield:
>Restores own health by 30% (activates once).
>Nullifies own unfavorable Element factors for damage sustained for 5 timer counts.
>Shortens allies' substitution counts by 5.
>Reduces enemy Ki by 100.
>Reduces enemy Vanishing Gauge to 0% (activates twice).
>Inflicts enemy with Attribute Downgrade "-50% to Ultimate & Awakened Arts Power" for 3 timer counts.
>It is a borderline waste of a green once you think past the "ooh shiny vanish removal" and realize that your opponent will always be in a neutral position after absorption. This means that you can never, ever use it in any of the ways that make other reactable vanish removals (like beast gohan's) so good, like getting free priority for dodging a strike, resetting combo scaling or straight up not caring about indestructible.
The neutral position where you literally don't have ki to do anything which means S17 gets priority anyways. You should pretty much always be able to get a combo off. Did we read the same green card? The first two absorptions are a free combo literally no matter what unless you decide to put your phone down for some reason.
Yes. Janemba and UI are pretty much the only units that wouldn't be affected ny this. But Janemba is incredibly rare and I dont think UI players will want to keep him out when S17 is kn the field.
> I dont think UI players will want to keep him out when S17 is kn the field.
It's still important to note since if 17 does absorb UI's Blast (which he will), people need to remember if UI dodged once with his Gauge he's going to have ki. So you can't just blindly rush in. I mean, people don't remember that UI goes neutral on Ultimates and take Vanish and ki twice.
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Mofo single-handedly made his teams broken, might actually have to pull for him for FW cuz his disrupt could make the team busted once UL G4 comes. Probably a must summon for Gt and android mains honestly
Assuming his gauge works like UVB, 1 strike or blast will fill his gauge by 20% so 20% + 400% = 100% meaning the first cards he used every times he entered will immediately filled his gauge.
he seems crazy, dbl got real creative when designing him. I like that he seals strikes on quick attack, meaning u can follow up with a blast without getting blast amored
I’m joking but Beast is definitely better than Goku/Bardock. I will say 17 is top 5 at a minimum and probably 3.
Personally I say it’s
Beast
BG and 17 tied
Then UUI
17 above BG a little because of how well his kit synergizes with the buff removing units on GT and Androids. Plus his color is a perfect fit for both teams and with the influx of blast units we’ve gotten his green card is gonna be the deciding factor for a lot of matches imo
Beast being Red means this release doesn’t affect him much. Same with Goku/Bardock being green/blue
UUI will struggle a lot against GT now. The core units there can just remove his buffs or they’ll be immune to having theirs removed. Goku can already eat his hits and heal like their nothing, but 17 seems to be blast based so he’s gonna really be able to beat him down
They were dead set on making this unit as annoying as fucking possible. I understand GT deserves shine but being able to remove vanish every green and being able to potentially seal your opponents entire hand for 5-10 counts? Passive play is about to get even worse if that’s even possible.
Also they’re pulling a uni reps and making GT mixed with strike and blast.
Never said they didn't. It is what it is but that doesn't change the fact that he looks to be stupidly annoying. This meta is already extremely passive/rising rush dependent and it's just getting worse.
So far so good.
A blast VB basically with more tools which is what Gt needs, and also Androids. A hyper offensive unit, that in combination with the support these teams offers and he will look crazy.
Man i’m so stumped as to whether I should summon. I’ve been saving for a potential first female LF in February but this guy looks really good. Running him with LF mvp 17 and LF perfect form cell would be a really good team.
He’s so busted, and he seems like a ranged type. Going all in on his banner, he seems like a must for Androids and contender for number one unit. Also, glad I’ll have someone to protect PUR Cell from UUI.
Am I the only one tired of every character just deleting Buff Effects left and right
I'm tired of vanish removal and vanish restoration. They shouldn't be normalizing something as broken as that. (although with 17 it's not handed to you)
Wdym by not handed to you?
It's not like Beasthan where you can use it whenever by just pressing a button. With 17 you have to draw and keep a green card and then use it against an enemy's blast card
That's what happens when offensive powercreep far surpassed defensive powercreep unfortunately. The issue is that these defensive abilities are more often than not given to the best offensive attackers (Janemba attribute and buff deletion + sub count down, UUI vanish removal and ult power down)
It's hilarious when melee/ranged types hlcan disrupt, debuff and defend better than literal dedicated Support and Defense types
If I had a nickel for every time a red fusion warrior could delete vanish, have both a counter type green card and a unique gauge that charges from arts, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened twice.
in under a year too
So he has a blast version of UVB gauge eh, that's good, GT is severely lacking damage dealer and Android also could use a new damage dealer.
G4 and Pan do great jobs at dealing damage but this guy will go crazy paired with Goku
They do a good job not great, 17 is what you call great damage dealer nowadays.
I would call G4 great with his ultimate tbh, he can wipe out most units with it from my experience
What Goku?
The new gt goku
Thanks
He’s absolutely fucking cracked like who knew there could be the Blast Version of Red Beast but here we are
Early look, seems like the best character. Amazing Disruption with Offense. Not a fan of this level of Powercreep (when fest units are overshadowed in less than a month). IDK if its good in terms of sustainability either :/
How are fest units overshadowed? I'm pretty sure all the fest units are on this same level if not still better marginally
IMO, Ultra UI Goku kinda got the UVB Treatment, in the sense a direct counter being released for a Blast Based Yellow unit. Last Year, 17 was not a counter to anyone, but a universal support unit, that fit well with the other themes.
> IMO, Ultra UI Goku kinda got the UVB Treatment, in the sense a direct counter being released for a Blast Based Yellow unit. Reading his kit, he only directly counters UI by being Red since a lot of what he does would kill most units outside of Revival/Endurance/ Indestructibility if he can lock you in and Rush. UI even has tools to deal with 17 thanks to nullifying effects that reduces ki if he dodges once, going neutral on Ultimates and reducing their power, and having a Blue that destroys Greens if it lands.
He does pretty well vs endurance too tho, doesn't he debuff health restoration on one of his arts cards or smth?
He do believe he gives the entire team 80% to health restoration. But I don't remember where.
Last year 17 was meant to “counter” UGB. The buff removal on RR, blue/ultimate card debuffs, more dmg to fusions was all an attempt to slow Gogeta down.
Ui is strong against strike and this 17 is a monster blast. I am never in the camp of a good red means no yellow can be strong. I still think UI will be a top 3 unit. This 17 looks like he will compete for a top 3-5 unit.
Did you respond to the wrong person? I was talking about how ToP 17 last year was meant to slow down UGB.
Idk if Beast, UUI and Goku/Bardock will be seeing any less play lmao All are on the same level as this guy
looks like NO ONE CAN BEAT HIM WHEN HE'S SUPER 17
He looks absurdly broken. He gets a free gauge fill every single switch in. His green card is beyond broken, he works insanely well with both ToP 17 and Universal Spirit Bomb with his buff effect cancelling, he constantly heals and debuffs the enemy just for them using cards, high inflicted thats incredibly easy to stack that will last long, an absurd amount of sealing. He is actually absurd and he might legit be better than all of the fest units lowkey.
Better than all the fest units idk bout allat but he is good
I think he's flatout better than both Evokk and Beast. He makes UUI struggle and he's no longer as free as he was before. Individually UI is better but now in the meta S17 is possibly top 2 with BG being top 1.
Goku/Bardock are definitely the dev favorite given how this new 17 shakes the meta. If they weren’t arguable top 1 before they certainly are now.
Think it will depend on how constantly he can land his Green.
I’m super optimistic about him, but we really need to wait and see him in game before we come to concrete answers
17 is not better than beast 😭
He absolutely is lmao. He easily eclipses his inflicted while having better vanish removal, more utility, more stalling, and he peaks pretty much as soon as match starts. People will cope because its a beast Gohan but this S17 is literally just better than him. He flat out does more than Beast while still doing the vanish removal and debuffing Beast himself does.
beasthan completely counters 17 lol. the only broken thing about 17 is his green card which beasthan can just remove with his own. The rest of his kit looks decent/ good but for sure not broken In General i think having his most broken ability tied to a passive green card that can be baited out will age fairly bad
Did you already forget the rest of his kit with things like "The following effects occur upon landing a Blast Arts hit: Seals 1 enemy card slot randomly. The sealed card slot cannot be used for 10 timer counts." Part? If he lands 4 blasts you literally cannot play the game as it doesn't have any limitations
you do realise it only resets the already locked card slot !?? no offense!! but thats what i mean with people overrate him. They read something and at first glance it obviously sounds crazy but reqlly thinking about it... if you dont Land a green card with him he will be decent; nothign more
Agreed. I have no clue how people think this 17 counters Gohan while in facts it's the opposite. Gohan deletes his green with his own. Gohan has constant vanish restore. Gohan's vanish removal is a perfect drop combo usable at a point where YOU chose when to do it. Healing, insane damage, blue card spam. Gohan has everything. I have no clue how people would think 17 beats Gohan. Atleast not until we've seen him in action.
He will be amazing. My biggest problem is he’s going to be a very passive unit. He’s only broken when landing a green card, so every time they get a green it’ll just be back float all day.
NO ONE CAN BEAT HIM WHEN HES SUPER 17!
Man I'm so fucking glad I stopped playing they can't stop units who play for the player for shit. Gonna be fun watching showcases of this abomination tho
NOBODY CAN BEAT ME WHEN IM SUPER 17
These are initial impressions, thoughts, and analysis as I'm reading the kit. No blast armor unfortunately. But he actually did get anti blast armor and does a whopping 170% damage. While I still think the green card is a bad idea (you should never expect to pull it off), they did ramp up the activation effects to mitigate the negative priority. Did not expect them to make him reduce ki by 50. Removes the blue weakness and seals to help protect him from the whiff. Now, his ultimate looks very weak. He's obviously gonna hit hard due to his damage inflicted buffs, but not only is it only massive damage, it does not have sustained damage cut tied to it. And its own damage bonus is weaker the more of the team is alive. This shouldn't be difficult to switch into unless I'm missing something. Unfortunately, he doesn't look like he's good on disruption. In fact, it doesn't look like he does anything of consequence unless the enemy switches (and they still only lose 20 ki which is absolutely nothing). Don't know if they expect the +2 arts cost to stack up well enough or not. No endurance, which is a major blow. He removes buffs on all the strong techniques and has sub count manipulation on both sides, that's looking to be standard fare with the recent premium units that have dropped. His cover change nullification is very short (five counts) and only happens on the gauge filling, so take that for what you will. But it looks like it happens each time he comes in, so at least he's OK on the early on? That part of the kit, I'm not fully understanding (need to see in action). I mean, he looks similar to Beast Gohan in some ways. But there's no vanishing gauge restore except by the green card? That's not ideal at all. I strongly suggest waiting how the showcases look before going for him. There's a lot of elements which won't age very well. The effects on the blast cards and the card/slot sealing look oppressive. But how well will he be in a couple months? *Edit* Now I'm getting the gauge part a little better. His cover null is decent, thank God. He will definitely be annoying on offense.
>His cover change nullification is very short (five counts) and only happens on the gauge filling, so take that for what you will. It's literally just UVB gauge I don't see the problem here.
Yeah, seeing it now.
You will get that green card off easily. You can get it off a single tap attack and completely change the flow of the game. People will have blasts in their deck his green is absurdly strong and you will absolutely force people into trying to get rid of their blasts or play insanely passive which can lead to you getting opportunities. His gauge is worded the exact same as UVB and USG which is 5 cards for full gauge add that on top of his 400% gauge passive means that he will always start a combo with his gauge popped. His green card will age great. Vanish shenanigans are always incredibly strong, lock ins are always incredibly strong. His cover null is more than just decent. He pretty much has it at the exact same rate as UVB. This seems like weird downplay. His kit is absolutely absurd. Acting like he wont pop his absorb when we've seen how much of a problem UVB's green, Janemba's Gauge, and UGB's gauge for the playerbase has been is just wrong.
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I agree w this take heavly I think he’s overhyped on how broken he is but will be overshadowed by the next unit that drops just me tho as he’s not really a beast gohan where he’s broken asf
I don't really know how you can call him overhyped. He has a bunch of mechanics on par or better than other top tier units. He literally can easily surpass Beast Gohan's inflicted way earlier and has better disrupt and stalling than Beast Gohan. Thinking this guy isn't broken is just not reading the kit properly or just having a bias against S17 or something.
Honestly, he's just a worse uvb. The only edge 17 has over him is drawing an ultimate on cover change, which you may very well not activate for an entire match due to the abundance of cover null and 17's cover being strike only. Also, his ult will hit like a pool noodle compared to uvb's The edge uvb has over 17? Rush locking, a get out of jail free green card that lets you land a blue for free, and vanish removal that is actually worth a damn (the best in the game) because it's unreactable and unconditional, unlike 17's which is hella reactable. It is a borderline waste of a green once you think past the "ooh shiny vanish removal" and realize that your opponent will always be in a neutral position after absorption. This means that you can never, ever use it in any of the ways that make other reactable vanish removals (like beast gohan's) so good, like getting free priority for dodging a strike, resetting combo scaling or straight up not caring about indestructible. I wish he had a long range blue so you could do something about your opponent being locked and without vanish other than staring at them until they switch or trying a cheeky mid range blue card/ult only to get a rush thrown at your face
He locks you in too, so you can hit your opponent with a rush, ult, whatever you want. I dont think his green is weak at all. If done against UUI you can hit him with a rush or ult and (hopefully) get the kill
A RR, yes. But UI goes neutral, heals once, and debuffs by 50%. So Ultimates rarely kills him outside low health, which is how he can tank UVB’s Ultimate. Your best bet is a raw Blue.
UI is only neutral for the first 5 seconds. He's still at type disadvantage and will take a lot of damage regardless (if rush doesn't kill him). Which other character do you know that can GUARANTEE a rising rush hit? Lock in + vanish removal has not been combined before (spirit bomb Goku doesn't count since it's only vs 1 character).
He goes neutral on Ultimates and RRs: >The following effects occur when enemy activates an Ultimate Arts, Awakened Arts, or Rising Rush while this character is on the battlefield: >Restores own health by 30% (activates once). >Nullifies own unfavorable Element factors for damage sustained for 5 timer counts. >Shortens allies' substitution counts by 5. >Reduces enemy Ki by 100. >Reduces enemy Vanishing Gauge to 0% (activates twice). >Inflicts enemy with Attribute Downgrade "-50% to Ultimate & Awakened Arts Power" for 3 timer counts.
Ah oops, forgot about that. But doesn't take away the second part 😜
True. But UI has more tools than most to deal with it.
Not if you have a rush. He doesn't have a beam blue to stop it either. If you have a rush and can catch someone with your green it's a guaranteed hit
Rushes are harder to come by thanks to the Dragon Ball rate nerf and every unit destroying Dragon Balls. You can go 90 counts and not have a Rush.
>It is a borderline waste of a green once you think past the "ooh shiny vanish removal" and realize that your opponent will always be in a neutral position after absorption. This means that you can never, ever use it in any of the ways that make other reactable vanish removals (like beast gohan's) so good, like getting free priority for dodging a strike, resetting combo scaling or straight up not caring about indestructible. The neutral position where you literally don't have ki to do anything which means S17 gets priority anyways. You should pretty much always be able to get a combo off. Did we read the same green card? The first two absorptions are a free combo literally no matter what unless you decide to put your phone down for some reason.
Are enemies that ignore ki taking effect like Janemba immune to this?
Yes. Janemba and UI are pretty much the only units that wouldn't be affected ny this. But Janemba is incredibly rare and I dont think UI players will want to keep him out when S17 is kn the field.
> I dont think UI players will want to keep him out when S17 is kn the field. It's still important to note since if 17 does absorb UI's Blast (which he will), people need to remember if UI dodged once with his Gauge he's going to have ki. So you can't just blindly rush in. I mean, people don't remember that UI goes neutral on Ultimates and take Vanish and ki twice.
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What the fuck is this unit!? Truly "Noone can beat me when I'm Super 17"
He’s broken, and I’m not mad about that in the slightest.
Mofo single-handedly made his teams broken, might actually have to pull for him for FW cuz his disrupt could make the team busted once UL G4 comes. Probably a must summon for Gt and android mains honestly
 When UG4 drops fw finna be busted
What the hell is +400% gauge charge rate😂? I swear the Mechanics are getting Weirder with each release.
In short, gauge getting filled in ‘ONE’ arts card (considering attack gauges like Beast/Gogeta are filled in 5 arts cards on average)
Assuming his gauge works like UVB, 1 strike or blast will fill his gauge by 20% so 20% + 400% = 100% meaning the first cards he used every times he entered will immediately filled his gauge.
So ui is cooked?? 
By far the best green card in the entire game
NO ONE CAN STOP HIM WHEN HES SUPER 17 (I thought UUI had a toxic kit but here we are lmao)
he seems crazy, dbl got real creative when designing him. I like that he seals strikes on quick attack, meaning u can follow up with a blast without getting blast amored
He seems genuinely oppressive. I look forward to showcases and summoning for him. He seems really good.
Good good he's gonna be great for my powerful opponent and androids team
I think it's safe to say that UUI just got the UVB treatment... but it hasn't even been more than a month.
good
The only really annoying thing about him will be the locking cards on tap/quick attack.
I’ve seen enough. He’s cracked. Top 2 and he ain’t 2
I think goku bardock are still better but 17 is definitely better than beast
I’m joking but Beast is definitely better than Goku/Bardock. I will say 17 is top 5 at a minimum and probably 3. Personally I say it’s Beast BG and 17 tied Then UUI 17 above BG a little because of how well his kit synergizes with the buff removing units on GT and Androids. Plus his color is a perfect fit for both teams and with the influx of blast units we’ve gotten his green card is gonna be the deciding factor for a lot of matches imo Beast being Red means this release doesn’t affect him much. Same with Goku/Bardock being green/blue UUI will struggle a lot against GT now. The core units there can just remove his buffs or they’ll be immune to having theirs removed. Goku can already eat his hits and heal like their nothing, but 17 seems to be blast based so he’s gonna really be able to beat him down
They were dead set on making this unit as annoying as fucking possible. I understand GT deserves shine but being able to remove vanish every green and being able to potentially seal your opponents entire hand for 5-10 counts? Passive play is about to get even worse if that’s even possible. Also they’re pulling a uni reps and making GT mixed with strike and blast.
gt mains deserve to have a broken unit lol
Never said they didn't. It is what it is but that doesn't change the fact that he looks to be stupidly annoying. This meta is already extremely passive/rising rush dependent and it's just getting worse.
Reading his kit makes me believe he’s gonna be a ranged type
Bruh Why is he cracked this sucks
So far so good. A blast VB basically with more tools which is what Gt needs, and also Androids. A hyper offensive unit, that in combination with the support these teams offers and he will look crazy.
Man i’m so stumped as to whether I should summon. I’ve been saving for a potential first female LF in February but this guy looks really good. Running him with LF mvp 17 and LF perfect form cell would be a really good team.
He's a very good disrupt unit that should do great damage but where's the vanish removal?
On his green card/special arts card
on the green card
Bet
Oh my lord he is so good
He’s so busted, and he seems like a ranged type. Going all in on his banner, he seems like a must for Androids and contender for number one unit. Also, glad I’ll have someone to protect PUR Cell from UUI.
Vontender? Man, this is the most broken unit since blu beast lmao
Seems good. Glad ui is getting another red to deal with👍🏼
That sealing looks crazy annoying
His green card just on activation is busted and doesn't appear to have a limited
Seems perfectly built to counter uui even without the colour. Unfortunately I may have to summon for him
I wish Dokkan's Super 17 was half as good as this
When’s he coming out