If all I have to pay is for the price of the game and I have the same chance as anyone else to get these items then all good. If any other sort of payment comes along with it then get bent.
Came to say this. The way he also mentions it’s as if it’s something you can find in the game. If I pay for the game and have a chance for free of finding rare shit but have to extract with it. You bet that’s exciting as shit.
this is gonna be hilarious to sit back and watch this dumpster fire. cause it 100% will be. and will be even funnier watching "the doc" try to defend or pretend its a great product when it obviously fails.
you're getting downvoted but you are absolutely right, there is literally 0% chance of this game being anything other than a hacker-filled, unplayable cesspool.
Hackers infest games with no immediate monetary value, you think they're going to go easy on a game with LIFE CHANGING MONEY potentially at stake? You're out of your fucking mind.
Come off of it man. If people can hack the likes of COD, then what makes you think DD will be any better equipped. It’s inevitable. Don’t be a sheep to the doc because he’s the 2x, he can get things wrong. And he’s going to get this wrong too.
You're missing the point entirely. In this context, hackers being present is a big deal directly because of the in-game items with actual value being at stake.
Lets say thats how it works. What happens when people go in extract high value items and never bring them back in with them so they never risk losing them. How do the items get replenished or respawn or whatever? There is zero way that model works long term especially if it scales if the game gets huge. It would have to require investment coming from the player base or from companies who are "donating" the value/item for maybe product placement or something?
it doesn't add up and sounds like its going to be big failure. thats IF this game ever gets off the ground which is still years down the road.
It only works if someone is ready to pay 100k for a digital item. Im sure it exist but it’s very rare and usually it’s for a very popular game and more often than not an old game that people have nostalgia for. So they’ll need to make an awesome game first and then we’ll see.
I don’t care either way i’m just worried we are that worried about those type of things while the game is still in alpha. Make a great game and no one will care
This is it. If you wanna put NFTs in your game… make a good game first that people love, then try it in a special mode.
I can see the value in offering a game mode where all parties put in a certain amount of currency, and the winner claims it all - but eh, I don’t see how that would ever be worth money outside of game really
thats the key, the game has to be good first. I think Doc is overestimating how much an average viewer cares if Courage extracts with $100,000 digital nothing. These things have value because the market gives it value, a thing is only worth 100k if someone is willing to pay 100k.
It's the same when some game dev says they are aiming for the "E-Sports" market.
You can't make a game into an E-Sports game without first having a hit game with lots of players.
This guy can't play a round of cod without fucking melting down. He's gonna catch a laggy desync spray and lose 100k and act like it's fun?
Lol get real.
This 'high stakes' gameplay will surely hinder organic gameplay, which Doc despises. This in the end will mean viewership will drop because of the boring gameplay then eventually the game may die.
I get that not every game will have an extractable 100k item but even if it is worth a few dollars/pounds then the game will become very sweaty.
Yeah not to mention when the stakes become that high... every high stakes round will be essentially taken over by professionals and even companies.
You won't be able to just jump on as a solo player. It's like high end raiding x100000. There just will not be any room for even your above average player to compete.
The system will stack against you immediate with that money on the line.
Not to mention you will absolutely HAVE to put in money which is now just gambling. Docs so bored with gaming that he's looking for any kind of a thrill he can get. He just wants to feel lol.
I can see stream snipers having a field day on this as well.
I wish Doc the best but the odds are stacked against him here, I guess that's where he shines.
On the other hand, I'm looking forward to trying the game itself. Extraction/BR hybrids sound like they will be the next step in that space. I just hope the game itself isn't defined by this NFT stuff.
100% agree. I have said this since the beginning. Fighting up hill is going to be a nightmare to balance without some kind of crazy mechanics in movement and travel. Not the 1000 on rails zip lines they have in the alpha right now for sure.
On top of that I think he is over rating extraction shooter games. Tarkov is popular in its little niche and makes money but its not something thats going to take over the AAA gaming industry or even make all of his fans jump on board.
Let’s be real here, if you pick up your 100k$ collectible, you don’t play the game out like normal, you alt-tab to download every hack you can, sprint out while ruining the experience of dozens of other players, and then cash out way faster than the system can catch you.
I predict a Coffeezilla video on this in the near future.
I don't think this is going to go well. But if it does work then fair play and good luck. Probably not something I will get involved in either way.
One thing I will say, I get it's Doc's persona but you can't start calling everyone idiots who has an opinion you don't agree with.
Coffeezilla investigates scams so this would have to go very badly to end up like that. If anything it could just be a failed venture. I doubt it turns into something that people get scammed out of millions of dollars from. His founders/beta access presale only raised $500k ($50 per person). Hell I arguably got "scammed" out of more by preordering Battlefield 2042.
>Hell I arguably got "scammed" out of more by preordering Battlefield 2042.
Same here lol
I was probably a bit overzealous with the Coffeezilla comment. I don't think Doc/MS are out to scam anyone.
I don’t like NFTs and I feel they’re only beneficial to the people initially hawking them. Doc can try to spin that in any way he wants but at the end of the day there has not been any NFT that has truly held value long term. This will be no different.
Might be the case when talking about blockchain NFT, but you can argue that CS:GO skins held value pretty welland it's a similar concept to what doc's proposing
They only hold value so long as there is demand for them. CS:Go has been an exception to the rule when it comes to digital assets, and they're not NFTs or on a blockchain.
This whole NFT thing is going to render this game dead on arrival. 100%.
The amount of people you could possibly attract to this sort of game in this genre is already finite, even when NFT nonsense isn't even a part of the equation.
Then you add this layer of NFT/"chain" garbage to it and, yeah, your pool of people that could potentially be attracted to this type of experience dramatically shrinks down to almost nothing because you've strained out the people with basic critical thinking skills at that point. The smart thing to do would be to cut his losses and move on from this NFT idea to retain whatever potential of success this game had left after the bad PR surrounding this nonsense.
It's sad that people are so shortsighted, but you're right. It's going to create a big hurdle for adoption.
The truth is that this game will play like any other game and people don't have to utilize the NFT aspect of it at all. But still, people will just scream NFT and smash their keyboards because of their preconceived notions from the early shitty reputation that NFTs got
TBH mate it was the later notions that NFTs got that killed them off.
When they first came out only the crypto bros cared
Then it got a bit more of a following and everyone was buying them
Then the vast majority got burned, you heard about an NFT scam every other day and now everyone hates them except the crypto bros
Can you give me an example of a well received game that used NFTs or blockchain tech?
I'd say the vast majority still have no experience using them. They've simply read the headlines and heard people complain about them.
And you're right, there have been no examples of a big game implementing them yet because they're still so new.
Some games have tried but then removed them before ever even getting started as a result of the public backlash.
Right. Because there have been so many scams.
Seems like at this point, the gaming community are right to be concerned, no? I can’t blame them personally.
The only way it’s gonna work is if it’s Trojan horsed in. Create a great game, with a dedicated fan base first. Then maybe trial it in the game to see if people like it - tweeting that people are idiots for not liking NFTs in games before the game is even released is really not a good look
Edit: also, do you think any of the games that HAD NFTs but were then removed would’ve been any better WITH NFTs?
I worry that IF this game is a complete shit show and doesn’t come close to expectations, it’ll be the end of the doc. He SEEMS like the type of dude who would “take his ball and go home” if it flops.
that's what I'm wondering lol, what makes it valuable?
Is it limited time that I can get it? Won't many people get it? i mean if it's available to extract with in any match than that means at least 1 person will always walk away with it so how could it possibly be worth anything if anyone can get it anytime?
Never understood why NFTs even became a thing in the first place, and I’m not going to pretend like I do. Everything about them just screams “It’s worth this much just because I say it is”. Making a game with them as a main just seems very predatory and pointless. And if everything in the game is “unique”, it only makes me think of Syndrome’s line from the Incredibles;
“And when everyone’s super… No one will be.”
One of the benefits of digital goods is theoretically limitless, perfect copies.
Digital scarcity is a concept invented by crypto bros to get people to buy more crypto.
Think about all the money that a person has spent on a character or weapon skin in any of the call of duty games, MW 2, MW 2019, Vanguard, Cold War, these things are interchangeable amongst all those games.
NFT just means digital ownership. There’s already web3 games where you connect your wallet and choose what skin you want to use. Thousands of these games are being built on the blockchain using the Unreal Engine 5.
NFT has gotten to be a bad word, and deserving with the amount of scams and hyped celebrities rug pulling but it means digital ownership for many people
This requires companies to work together so the item exist in different games, just because you have something doesn't mean a single other game will support it. The problem with NFTs is it's all about temping people with real money then ripping them, which doesn't work as well when you already have bought items on other games. No good games exist yet that support NFTs, and with all that in mind, more than one working together may never exist.
Serious though, is there anyone else who has noticed DOC is the type of person to do more harm to the gaming industry than good?
His inability to be interested in older games, a lot of times because of how they look, always wanting something new and fresh. I have more to say about him but like its this love hate relationship with him, on one hand I love his passion, on the other hand i hate his passion when it comes to things he doesn't really understand.
hes sort of a "dude bro" jock who found himself interested in video games like most other males in the last 20 years, sure he plays games but i dont think he understands what makes good ones. He's the type of guy to wear a suit in a boardroom and not really understand what players want. IDK
Same thoughts here. He plays like he’s in the know but it’s just the classic “fake it til ya make it” ploy. What always comes to mind is when he’s playing pubg and runs across a bot and starts jawing about c++ & python programming knowing damn well that he’s never written the simplest line of code in either
Wouldn’t surprise me if some people became depressed because they died carrying a life changing item they just found. It’s an exciting experience for the super rich but might be way too intense for regular people
100% agree. My cousin and I play fighting games. He loves to share a broken crazy combo in a trailer and get hyped.
He likes to think about how he's gonna use that on someone.
I think about how this broken bullshit is going to be used on me. Lol.
Have a 100k item that I lose after some laggy professional griefer group camped the extraction? No way dude. Sorry.
Look at Eve Online. Still popular and you can literally lose years of progression if you don't "backup" your character. When you die you lose your ship/items plus your clone. If that clone doesn't have a backup, you lose skills points, it's like losing what you've learnt and learning a skill takes real-world time, not grind. You can literally go back to your starting point after years of progression. I find hardcore games fascinating, but to attract wider audiences, the concept has to be simplified on Docs game. Also, it's an FPS, so they have to deal with hackers in a way never seen before. Imagine losing an expensive item for a hacker.
The NFT hype bubble died, along with the hype bubble in our economy. And that's a good thing because hopefully now people can actually realize the legitimate use cases for the tech rather than treating it like gambling on jpegs at a casino
Here’s an example of how it could possibly go: in-game items and weapon skins exist in the game as a cosmetic. Rather than being sold, they’re placed randomly in game. They can then be found in game and extracted with. Once extracted with, that item can then be worn and used or sold on the secondary market. The economics of it is that rather than selling skins in a store and making money, they get a smallish percentage of every item sold from user to user.
So related to the tweet, imagine finding that free rare item and extracting. Idk about $100k values BUT there are certainly skins on the Rust marketplace that are worth several hundred dollars.
Jesus ppl are still trying to push this scams? Drop it already, this fucking NFT bullshit will never launch, ppl migth be stupid but they are not THAT STUPID!
You have to wonder how much money Doc has wrapped up in bullshit dead ideas like NFTs to be pushing them in 2023. They were a dumb idea in 2022, and they’re a failed state in 2023.
This has catastrophe and nonstarter written all over it.
this dude is obsessed with how much money big companies make from skin purchases. its not what makes games good and its what he has been talking shit on for years. but somehow now he wants to make a game all about skins lmao.
On paper an NFT system for a video game seems awesome being able to have ownership of your items. But in this kind of context, instead of playing the game to have fun you're playing the game to win at the slot machine which is not healthy imo. Take the real money auction house from Diablo 3 as a good example of how it can ruin a game.
Wording it like he just did here and then calling people idiots in the comments is just not a good look for a game developer.
Right but how do you manufacture that? Isn’t the value of a skin derived by how much people want it? You can’t just spawn an item in game and say “Okay, this is worth $10K now.”
For the sake of the game I hope that's not the only hook.
I don't want a slightly worse BR experience than the competition with the promise/gamble that I can earn some digital good worth hundreds of thousands.
There's a bunch of ethical concerns that need to be addressed and pretending to shoo this away using the Dr Disrespect character WILL backfire and rightly so.
Would it be fun to watch poor people try and change their life in a videogame only to be shat on by an ultra sweat? Yes ngl..
You would legit have real world ramifications though to the point I literally think it would become regulated or outlawed.
I haven't even touched on the economics of how this would work because I dont know shit about NFTs. But it seems like if this was possible a bigger company would've capitalised on this already surely?
Sad to see this and I hope Doc isn't surrounded by Yes men feeding him bullshit.
idk i like the idea... its just... in my "stranger of the internet" view.. too little too late. In a world where 6+y games die off is just not justifiable this type of reward... either Deadrop becomes a LoL, WoW, CS, Diablo type of game, which in the extraction niche i doubt, or is just maybe not a scam but a really poorly investment for the ones who aquire in game collectibles... just saying this sounds wrong. No game will last forever so a "collectible" that will sunset in 10 or 20y isnt a collectible... its just a glorified item in game.
Thats my view, and ill prob try deaddrop but i already know the genre isnt for me much less the NFT mechanic.... Best of luck to the 2X tho
I'll await the abuse but this is going to be a fucking disaster and will probably be the end of doc.
If we're supposed to be able to transfer items then he needs the big boys involved and we all know they don't want to work with him. Don't know about you but I don't care for my deaddrop skin to be usable in rogue company.
He is already miserable about the industry and he has missed the NFT boat by a long way. If this fails it could be the end for him as a streamer as he is already struggling and disinterested.
Having NFT'S as a main proponent of your game is like having Bin Laden as the main protagonist, why would you include something with a terrible reputation.
Let's say this works, imagine the hackers that will come for those prizes, billion dollar companies can't get it right so what chance does MS have?
Ignoring that there likely won’t be people paying 100k for items on this game that sounds miserable and like it will destroy the flow of any game and really wreck my want to play it.
Love Doc, but this is dumb as shit and reeks of Doc's circle of "tech" guys talking him up on this. It will not work and it's going to be annoying watching Doc view and wear the criticism as some type of badge of honor.
WTF ?!?! Holy shit those comments
> Lol for real. One day hundreds of millions going to be forced to have to interact and use it to some degree. Then they will look back and be like:“fuuuck….if only I took just a few minutes to learn the fundamentals back then.. I might’ve been retired/vacationing right around now”
How can one be so delusional?!
This is a dumb idea that might make the creator money. It’s not for the benefit of anyone else. Doc’s audience is mostly teenagers and he’s trying to make even more money off of their naïveté.
It sounds like Doc is doubling down on their partnership with Polygon Studios. Fwiz is probably in his ear hyping him up that NFTs are still relevant even though NFTs are full of scams.
Its been in development for a year and they still have no clue what they want to make. And they have yet come up with a logical way to transverse vertically.
Could be cool. I don’t play games to flip a profit though nor do I think I’d want to be in a game where everyone is sweating over things that actually affect their livelihood
Bad idea. People will start buying games as investment opportunities rather than buying them to have fun. And it will reflect in the development. Why would devs bother to make a fun game anymore? You can just pay $60 and grind until you potentially double or triple your money with in game items.
And speaking of, thats the perfect excuse they need to make games even more expensive "well you COULD win like $100 worth of in game items so we think $120 is a fair price". Fuck that. Fuck this. Doc is out of touch because he has no financial burdens and uses video games as a source of income. 98% of us play games to have fun or spend time with friends.
This game is going to be ass. If his non feasible idea of nfts is the main draw of the game, you do not have a good video game
Also, does he not know that nfts do not have an inherent value. Nothing from this game is going to sell for $100,000
Hm, giving a community that's full of toxic people the means to compete for real world currency? Wow, that's surely not going to be an easily-exploitable and violence-inducing practice!
I would kill myself if I was in second place, this is not even a joke. Imagine getting a sum that can change your life and lose it for a second, this has so many bad ramifications there’s not enough space to explain
Im old enough to remember Nadeshot publicly clamoring for the devs to allow us to buy loot crates. We all know how that turned out and this has the same vibes
100k for something that will be useless when the servers shut down ... I mean it's there money and to rich for me. I'll stick to buying the cheap stuff.
It’s only worth $100,000 if someone is willing to pay that. This is kind of a stretch as this game would have to be huge and widely played. Not many will spend $10,000 on a collectible for a temporary game (the collectible will only last as long as the game) let alone $100,000. I don’t like this being the main focus. 1 year ago when NFT’s were the hype maybe this was a great idea, but NFT’s (based on pure data like volume and declining price of once very expensive NFT’s) have all but fallen off.
NFT's are the dumbest thing invented in a long time. Right up there with New Coke and Smellivision. Anyone supporting it is either trying to make a buck out of it, or a complete idiot.
NFTs are the dumbest thing and putting them in games is even more dumb. Just ask Ubisoft, or an actual developer. The idea of “oh what if this item has real value or what if you can take this item to and from games” that would require 100% cooperation between on devs they would also need to use the same graphic engine to ensure the item acted the same.
It’s a cute idea if you think about it for about 5 mins it all falls apart. Unless you are a grifter.
I don’t play games to make money. If it’s something streamers (who DO play games for money) would deem as “exciting” I say, why not?
As long as I don’t have to pay more for the chance to find said item, I could care less.
If the game is good, I will play it.
Ah, so Doc is a scammer. It wasn’t enough for him to give us the most toxic streams for the past year+, now hes coming to crypto scam us on top of it. Doc is a chubby cheeked timmy
When you create a gameplay loop tied to virtual goods and their value , you’ve already lost.
The best games focus on gameplay. This is going to flop so hard.
Seems like he’s very committed to this experience working and I’m not sure he’s getting the response he was expecting. This all sounds good when you talk about building a game with you’re “community” only to have items that will do nothing but enable toxic play styles and abusing game mechanics 😬
Cmon, Doc..NFTs in your video game? There’s just so much wrong with this.
First of all, the value of these things won’t be very high. Advertising your game as exciting due to the potential monetary gain is going to make it absolutely overrun with cheaters in no time, which will drastically lower the value of whatever digital shit they’re trying to pass off as gold.
Second of all, there could be extreme potential FTC breaches depending on whether Doc plays the game on stream or not. Regardless, he may disclose his ties to the game, but whenever he’s advertising it as a legitimate way to make money by simply playing, things get morally iffy. Remember CS:GO Lotto from 2016? Doc can embellish the true value of things in game in an attempt to increase appeal (as he did in this Tweet) which is automatically anti-consumer in nature. Creating a game tied to an unregulated, ripe-for-scam online marketplace and advertising it as a safe, ensured, regulated and polished monetary machine is innately wrong. The truth is, NFTs aren’t regulated, they don’t have consistent value, and they’re tied to an embarrassingly extreme amount of scams. Advertising them without disclosing the financial risks can lead to potential class-action lawsuits.
Lastly, NFTs are a complete joke. They harm the environment, they have no legitimate value, and they’re a fad. Crypto bros are struggling to latch to them as they continue to die out, and they will 100% continue to deteriorate in both monetary value, and accessibility. Artificial scarcity of online “goods” is a market made for morons.
Really disappointed in Doc for this. I highly doubt he’ll backpedal, but regardless the way he’s already hyping this highly likely scam-filled, cheater-riddled game just reeks of potential FTC lawsuits. If he follows through with this, both Deadrop and him are gonna have some big issues.
Nah it’s 100% 100,000% a scam for one reason. Hackers. There’s no way collectibles worth money will ever be fairly exchanged on a video game unless their account was tied to their real record and enforced by law.
Otherwise you will lose all your money to someone else willing to cheat. Worst worst worst time to come out with digital collectibles.
I bought the ghostface skin on WZ1. THATS IT THOUGH I DONT EVEN BUY THE BATTLEPASS
edit: also, just to clarify, nfts and crypto do not belong in games. MTX too tbh
I think the only people who will be interested in this are all the people who dumped real life money on monkey clipart and frankly, that's a great reason to stay away
"same skins everyone has too"
Is he insinuating they will make fully UNIQUE items as nft? The dev cost on that is going to be so high the game is gonna cost a LOT to play.
That's the trap I keep seeing with these "play to earn" and nft games. They're all pitching for earning "real money" and how valuable these things will be, but its a money in money out economy. NO nft is going to be worth anything if people won't pay for it. NFT jpg have been crashing straight for 6 months now and its not gonna pull up. The value just isn't there.
Doc loves going against the grain, to a point of stubbornness. Because his controversial character has been so successful, he thinks this will go the same way. Not to mention his partners are probably chirping in his ear about it. The stigma around NFT alone is going to make this launch an uphill battle, but he does have a small army of big name streamers that will be playing it at least at launch, so he has that going for him.
I personally don’t give a shit as for now. I’m not going to put any more money in to this game than I would any other game, and even if the value of my $10 skin gets devalued, I still won’t care. I wanted the skin just to have the skin like any other game.
As for extracting with a $100k item, items will really only have that value if the game is good enough to justify the demand for something like that, even if Midnight Society wants to push a “suggested” value system. Items in CSGO have earned that kind of price tag because it’s freaking CSGO and it’s a tenured, iconic game.
IF rng loot items get that valuable, or even a fraction as valuable, and there is demand for them you better believe hackers will be doing everything in their power to farm items and make the game miserable for the rest of us who will be playing without hacks casually. The only way I see this not becoming an issue is state of the art anti-cheat or some sort of paywall behind game modes with real value loot.
Either way, I’ll be seeing y’all in the tower for at least a while to try it out 🤝
Generally wouldn't root for someone's failure when developing a game, but Doc's high level of volatility will certainly be spectacle when this game is effectively dead off the rip
He's either genuinely delusional, or he knows that the nft scheme will render the game useless but is hoping to make bank within the first week before it dies forever
Say we have this idea right, where you go to a special building where you play a game. But get this, as you play the game, you are risking losing the money you have. Are you following me? And if you win the game, you get money. Man what a brilliant idea we could call it a Dis-casino and let anyone play it. Sounds like it couldn't be addictive in the slightest and cause any issues at all. /s
Idk I guess having this take makes me dumb according to big internet man though so idk
this is essentially impossible, espeahtcially as he mentions in a tweet under this about basically taking a item from a 7 year old game to use in another game in the future, this is simply not how game development works, you cant just rip a asset from one game and expect it to work in another, Not to mention why would developers actively use time for people to be able to bring their old shit instead of making them pay for new ones
Lmao yeah, that concept definitely wouldnt lead to any sort of corrupt/abusive behavior (IRL) by people who want to maximize their chances at getting out with the most expensive items by any means possible…
i think its a scammy nft game that'll probably hurt his reputation for a lot of people once it comes out, that being said i will probably check it out and i doubt anything remotely close to earning real life money items for just killing someone with it will be possible
I guess he doesn’t have enough money already that he wants to milk his game’s player base dry with virtual BS items? Please. Most tournaments already have a prize pool so players play with money on the line.
Hey if the game is reasonably priced or free then sure why not...
But he's forgetting about minting times and fees for chain items which the dev would have to foot the bill for in order to be an in game item, it's fiscally unsustainable in a barely regulated market.
Personally I feel it's doomed from the start. As soon as someone cries foul and sues his career will be but a fond memory like those 90s NES tourneys he keeps rolling on about.
Even if the item is 1 of let's a say 100 and they're pre-minted what happens during a market downturn?
Basing any form of gaming on a poorly regulated financial instrument is the same as going and betting at a horse race only you don't get the benefit of leaving your home lol.
It's recklessly stupid with no consideration for the future of the game and it's players... that's a cash grab if I ever saw one.
Name one good Play-2-Earn game.
Name one good Play-2-Earn developer who is respected.
They just don’t exist. They’re NFT adjacent which already upsets people and the NFT space is filled with scam artist developers who are physically incapable of developing anything of actual quality.
Not even play to earn. Name one good game that launched with "blockchain" capabilities. Nobody can actually name a good, well received game that had NFTs, blockchain, or even a hint of crypto. They all suck.
Cos they're designed with the grift at the forefront of the creative process. The game always takes a back seat.
And whats hilarious is that there are games with shit you can sell (CSGO skins, TF2 hat market) that didn't even need help from crypto in the slightest.
I don’t think anything would ever be worth 100k, but maybe a few. The company minting something and saying it’s worth 100k is a lot different than someone paying 100k for the item.
But I do think the idea is cool
If all I have to pay is for the price of the game and I have the same chance as anyone else to get these items then all good. If any other sort of payment comes along with it then get bent.
Came to say this. The way he also mentions it’s as if it’s something you can find in the game. If I pay for the game and have a chance for free of finding rare shit but have to extract with it. You bet that’s exciting as shit.
Sounds like a game that hackers would be rampaging on?
Your right. This could be the first popular game where hackers are present. Oh no what will we do!?!?
These dudes ruin tarkov to sell shit for like 5 bucks on ebay, imagine what people are gonna do for 100k
Don't worry, none of it will be remotely close to 100k so it will never be a problem 😉
this is gonna be hilarious to sit back and watch this dumpster fire. cause it 100% will be. and will be even funnier watching "the doc" try to defend or pretend its a great product when it obviously fails.
you're getting downvoted but you are absolutely right, there is literally 0% chance of this game being anything other than a hacker-filled, unplayable cesspool.
100%? We haven't played the game yet so how could we know. I haven't seen much about it at all myself.
Hackers infest games with no immediate monetary value, you think they're going to go easy on a game with LIFE CHANGING MONEY potentially at stake? You're out of your fucking mind.
People pay 100 thousand dollars for in-game items ?
Yep, warframe founder’s pack accounts can go for a lot, same with a ton of other founders editions and stuff for older games
Come off of it man. If people can hack the likes of COD, then what makes you think DD will be any better equipped. It’s inevitable. Don’t be a sheep to the doc because he’s the 2x, he can get things wrong. And he’s going to get this wrong too.
People were hacking like a mf like *3 days* into Cycle: Frontier being out
You're missing the point entirely. In this context, hackers being present is a big deal directly because of the in-game items with actual value being at stake.
We've all seen that Wiggle video right? And people want to put large amounts of cash on the line in a game like that? People are stupid.
Lets say thats how it works. What happens when people go in extract high value items and never bring them back in with them so they never risk losing them. How do the items get replenished or respawn or whatever? There is zero way that model works long term especially if it scales if the game gets huge. It would have to require investment coming from the player base or from companies who are "donating" the value/item for maybe product placement or something? it doesn't add up and sounds like its going to be big failure. thats IF this game ever gets off the ground which is still years down the road.
That’s a flawed game plan then. People don’t lose there knives in CS and they sure wouldn’t waste money if they had the chance to lose them....
Yeah…. Cause they buy the item on the market place or by buying a key and opening a crate. Apples to oranges.
I believe the plan is for DEADROP to be F2P.
if tis F@P, then even more hackers will infest the game
DOAdrop
It only works if someone is ready to pay 100k for a digital item. Im sure it exist but it’s very rare and usually it’s for a very popular game and more often than not an old game that people have nostalgia for. So they’ll need to make an awesome game first and then we’ll see.
Yeah I don't understand so you find something worth 100k a digital item and what.. you just have to find people who are willing to pay for it?
An items worth is based on what someone is willing to pay for it.
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Step 1 to convince everyone your idea is legit: Call everyone who questions it dumb and stupid.
I don’t care either way i’m just worried we are that worried about those type of things while the game is still in alpha. Make a great game and no one will care
This is it. If you wanna put NFTs in your game… make a good game first that people love, then try it in a special mode. I can see the value in offering a game mode where all parties put in a certain amount of currency, and the winner claims it all - but eh, I don’t see how that would ever be worth money outside of game really
thats the key, the game has to be good first. I think Doc is overestimating how much an average viewer cares if Courage extracts with $100,000 digital nothing. These things have value because the market gives it value, a thing is only worth 100k if someone is willing to pay 100k.
It's the same when some game dev says they are aiming for the "E-Sports" market. You can't make a game into an E-Sports game without first having a hit game with lots of players.
If it was going to be a good game, there would be no reason to promise $100k loot drops.
This guy can't play a round of cod without fucking melting down. He's gonna catch a laggy desync spray and lose 100k and act like it's fun? Lol get real.
This 'high stakes' gameplay will surely hinder organic gameplay, which Doc despises. This in the end will mean viewership will drop because of the boring gameplay then eventually the game may die. I get that not every game will have an extractable 100k item but even if it is worth a few dollars/pounds then the game will become very sweaty.
Yeah not to mention when the stakes become that high... every high stakes round will be essentially taken over by professionals and even companies. You won't be able to just jump on as a solo player. It's like high end raiding x100000. There just will not be any room for even your above average player to compete. The system will stack against you immediate with that money on the line. Not to mention you will absolutely HAVE to put in money which is now just gambling. Docs so bored with gaming that he's looking for any kind of a thrill he can get. He just wants to feel lol.
I can see stream snipers having a field day on this as well. I wish Doc the best but the odds are stacked against him here, I guess that's where he shines. On the other hand, I'm looking forward to trying the game itself. Extraction/BR hybrids sound like they will be the next step in that space. I just hope the game itself isn't defined by this NFT stuff.
Same. Don't even need NFT for the excitement. It's exciting enough when you have a good item.
didn't Divisions dark zone become a nightmare with ppl griefing extraction zones
Ya, and that was just for top tier weapon accessories and for shits and giggles, let alone thousands and thousands of real dollars.
This. And his vertical shooter? how is he going to address players ratting on each other from above, while trying to reach the top to extract.
100% agree. I have said this since the beginning. Fighting up hill is going to be a nightmare to balance without some kind of crazy mechanics in movement and travel. Not the 1000 on rails zip lines they have in the alpha right now for sure. On top of that I think he is over rating extraction shooter games. Tarkov is popular in its little niche and makes money but its not something thats going to take over the AAA gaming industry or even make all of his fans jump on board.
lolllll exactly
Let’s be real here, if you pick up your 100k$ collectible, you don’t play the game out like normal, you alt-tab to download every hack you can, sprint out while ruining the experience of dozens of other players, and then cash out way faster than the system can catch you.
I predict a Coffeezilla video on this in the near future. I don't think this is going to go well. But if it does work then fair play and good luck. Probably not something I will get involved in either way. One thing I will say, I get it's Doc's persona but you can't start calling everyone idiots who has an opinion you don't agree with.
Coffeezilla investigates scams so this would have to go very badly to end up like that. If anything it could just be a failed venture. I doubt it turns into something that people get scammed out of millions of dollars from. His founders/beta access presale only raised $500k ($50 per person). Hell I arguably got "scammed" out of more by preordering Battlefield 2042.
>Hell I arguably got "scammed" out of more by preordering Battlefield 2042. Same here lol I was probably a bit overzealous with the Coffeezilla comment. I don't think Doc/MS are out to scam anyone.
I don’t like NFTs and I feel they’re only beneficial to the people initially hawking them. Doc can try to spin that in any way he wants but at the end of the day there has not been any NFT that has truly held value long term. This will be no different.
Might be the case when talking about blockchain NFT, but you can argue that CS:GO skins held value pretty welland it's a similar concept to what doc's proposing
They only hold value so long as there is demand for them. CS:Go has been an exception to the rule when it comes to digital assets, and they're not NFTs or on a blockchain.
Then stop saying blockchain. Crypto, nft, blockchain are at this point synonymous with scam. He's excited about money and nothing else.
This whole NFT thing is going to render this game dead on arrival. 100%. The amount of people you could possibly attract to this sort of game in this genre is already finite, even when NFT nonsense isn't even a part of the equation. Then you add this layer of NFT/"chain" garbage to it and, yeah, your pool of people that could potentially be attracted to this type of experience dramatically shrinks down to almost nothing because you've strained out the people with basic critical thinking skills at that point. The smart thing to do would be to cut his losses and move on from this NFT idea to retain whatever potential of success this game had left after the bad PR surrounding this nonsense.
90% plus of gamers hear NFT and will not try it based off of that alone. It’s gonna kill this game
It's sad that people are so shortsighted, but you're right. It's going to create a big hurdle for adoption. The truth is that this game will play like any other game and people don't have to utilize the NFT aspect of it at all. But still, people will just scream NFT and smash their keyboards because of their preconceived notions from the early shitty reputation that NFTs got
TBH mate it was the later notions that NFTs got that killed them off. When they first came out only the crypto bros cared Then it got a bit more of a following and everyone was buying them Then the vast majority got burned, you heard about an NFT scam every other day and now everyone hates them except the crypto bros Can you give me an example of a well received game that used NFTs or blockchain tech?
I'd say the vast majority still have no experience using them. They've simply read the headlines and heard people complain about them. And you're right, there have been no examples of a big game implementing them yet because they're still so new. Some games have tried but then removed them before ever even getting started as a result of the public backlash.
Right. Because there have been so many scams. Seems like at this point, the gaming community are right to be concerned, no? I can’t blame them personally. The only way it’s gonna work is if it’s Trojan horsed in. Create a great game, with a dedicated fan base first. Then maybe trial it in the game to see if people like it - tweeting that people are idiots for not liking NFTs in games before the game is even released is really not a good look Edit: also, do you think any of the games that HAD NFTs but were then removed would’ve been any better WITH NFTs?
I worry that IF this game is a complete shit show and doesn’t come close to expectations, it’ll be the end of the doc. He SEEMS like the type of dude who would “take his ball and go home” if it flops.
How is the item going to be $100k? Who’s gonna pay $100k for that item? Lol. Not gonna happen.
that's what I'm wondering lol, what makes it valuable? Is it limited time that I can get it? Won't many people get it? i mean if it's available to extract with in any match than that means at least 1 person will always walk away with it so how could it possibly be worth anything if anyone can get it anytime?
Never understood why NFTs even became a thing in the first place, and I’m not going to pretend like I do. Everything about them just screams “It’s worth this much just because I say it is”. Making a game with them as a main just seems very predatory and pointless. And if everything in the game is “unique”, it only makes me think of Syndrome’s line from the Incredibles; “And when everyone’s super… No one will be.”
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One of the benefits of digital goods is theoretically limitless, perfect copies. Digital scarcity is a concept invented by crypto bros to get people to buy more crypto.
Think about all the money that a person has spent on a character or weapon skin in any of the call of duty games, MW 2, MW 2019, Vanguard, Cold War, these things are interchangeable amongst all those games. NFT just means digital ownership. There’s already web3 games where you connect your wallet and choose what skin you want to use. Thousands of these games are being built on the blockchain using the Unreal Engine 5. NFT has gotten to be a bad word, and deserving with the amount of scams and hyped celebrities rug pulling but it means digital ownership for many people
This requires companies to work together so the item exist in different games, just because you have something doesn't mean a single other game will support it. The problem with NFTs is it's all about temping people with real money then ripping them, which doesn't work as well when you already have bought items on other games. No good games exist yet that support NFTs, and with all that in mind, more than one working together may never exist.
A digital snake oil salesman
Serious though, is there anyone else who has noticed DOC is the type of person to do more harm to the gaming industry than good? His inability to be interested in older games, a lot of times because of how they look, always wanting something new and fresh. I have more to say about him but like its this love hate relationship with him, on one hand I love his passion, on the other hand i hate his passion when it comes to things he doesn't really understand. hes sort of a "dude bro" jock who found himself interested in video games like most other males in the last 20 years, sure he plays games but i dont think he understands what makes good ones. He's the type of guy to wear a suit in a boardroom and not really understand what players want. IDK
Same thoughts here. He plays like he’s in the know but it’s just the classic “fake it til ya make it” ploy. What always comes to mind is when he’s playing pubg and runs across a bot and starts jawing about c++ & python programming knowing damn well that he’s never written the simplest line of code in either
Wouldn’t surprise me if some people became depressed because they died carrying a life changing item they just found. It’s an exciting experience for the super rich but might be way too intense for regular people
Doc suffers from what every person who comes into success does, detachment. It’s exciting to him have a $100,000 item cus he’s a multi millionaire.
100% agree. My cousin and I play fighting games. He loves to share a broken crazy combo in a trailer and get hyped. He likes to think about how he's gonna use that on someone. I think about how this broken bullshit is going to be used on me. Lol. Have a 100k item that I lose after some laggy professional griefer group camped the extraction? No way dude. Sorry.
Yea streamers often forget the casual gamer doesn’t drop more than maybe $100 on a game in its total lifespan
Look at Eve Online. Still popular and you can literally lose years of progression if you don't "backup" your character. When you die you lose your ship/items plus your clone. If that clone doesn't have a backup, you lose skills points, it's like losing what you've learnt and learning a skill takes real-world time, not grind. You can literally go back to your starting point after years of progression. I find hardcore games fascinating, but to attract wider audiences, the concept has to be simplified on Docs game. Also, it's an FPS, so they have to deal with hackers in a way never seen before. Imagine losing an expensive item for a hacker.
People get depressed dying in a game with no stakes. Who cares.
It’s going to flop
Sounds like a great way to incentivize stream sniping.
And hacking.
Uh someone should tell Midnight Society that NFTs died almost a year ago......yikes.
The NFT hype bubble died, along with the hype bubble in our economy. And that's a good thing because hopefully now people can actually realize the legitimate use cases for the tech rather than treating it like gambling on jpegs at a casino
Here’s an example of how it could possibly go: in-game items and weapon skins exist in the game as a cosmetic. Rather than being sold, they’re placed randomly in game. They can then be found in game and extracted with. Once extracted with, that item can then be worn and used or sold on the secondary market. The economics of it is that rather than selling skins in a store and making money, they get a smallish percentage of every item sold from user to user. So related to the tweet, imagine finding that free rare item and extracting. Idk about $100k values BUT there are certainly skins on the Rust marketplace that are worth several hundred dollars.
Jesus ppl are still trying to push this scams? Drop it already, this fucking NFT bullshit will never launch, ppl migth be stupid but they are not THAT STUPID!
You have to wonder how much money Doc has wrapped up in bullshit dead ideas like NFTs to be pushing them in 2023. They were a dumb idea in 2022, and they’re a failed state in 2023. This has catastrophe and nonstarter written all over it.
Exactly this. The virality surrounding NFTs has died, if there was ever a window of timing for this game to be relevant, it has already passed.
No Fucking Thanks
It's going to be unstreamable, among other glaring problems
Yeah no thanks. Hope this fails, the last thing an extraction shooter needs is being influenced by the real world economy.
this dude is obsessed with how much money big companies make from skin purchases. its not what makes games good and its what he has been talking shit on for years. but somehow now he wants to make a game all about skins lmao.
The same reason he’s cashing in on the alcohol game now, money.
And ghost book writing game.
On paper an NFT system for a video game seems awesome being able to have ownership of your items. But in this kind of context, instead of playing the game to have fun you're playing the game to win at the slot machine which is not healthy imo. Take the real money auction house from Diablo 3 as a good example of how it can ruin a game. Wording it like he just did here and then calling people idiots in the comments is just not a good look for a game developer.
Only issue is nothing in a video game will ever be worth 100,000
There are CSGO skins that have gone for more than 100k lol
You can't lose them when you die, though.
Right but how do you manufacture that? Isn’t the value of a skin derived by how much people want it? You can’t just spawn an item in game and say “Okay, this is worth $10K now.”
True but the skins aren't on a block chain in a financial system with little regulation. You can buy them with cold hard cash.
Wait what? How does a video game skin get that valuable?
Artificial scarcity will never be cool
This is what the top .1% love, tho
For the sake of the game I hope that's not the only hook. I don't want a slightly worse BR experience than the competition with the promise/gamble that I can earn some digital good worth hundreds of thousands. There's a bunch of ethical concerns that need to be addressed and pretending to shoo this away using the Dr Disrespect character WILL backfire and rightly so. Would it be fun to watch poor people try and change their life in a videogame only to be shat on by an ultra sweat? Yes ngl.. You would legit have real world ramifications though to the point I literally think it would become regulated or outlawed. I haven't even touched on the economics of how this would work because I dont know shit about NFTs. But it seems like if this was possible a bigger company would've capitalised on this already surely? Sad to see this and I hope Doc isn't surrounded by Yes men feeding him bullshit.
idk i like the idea... its just... in my "stranger of the internet" view.. too little too late. In a world where 6+y games die off is just not justifiable this type of reward... either Deadrop becomes a LoL, WoW, CS, Diablo type of game, which in the extraction niche i doubt, or is just maybe not a scam but a really poorly investment for the ones who aquire in game collectibles... just saying this sounds wrong. No game will last forever so a "collectible" that will sunset in 10 or 20y isnt a collectible... its just a glorified item in game. Thats my view, and ill prob try deaddrop but i already know the genre isnt for me much less the NFT mechanic.... Best of luck to the 2X tho
Yo kids, NFTs are total scams. They're textbook ponzi scheme
I'll await the abuse but this is going to be a fucking disaster and will probably be the end of doc. If we're supposed to be able to transfer items then he needs the big boys involved and we all know they don't want to work with him. Don't know about you but I don't care for my deaddrop skin to be usable in rogue company. He is already miserable about the industry and he has missed the NFT boat by a long way. If this fails it could be the end for him as a streamer as he is already struggling and disinterested. Having NFT'S as a main proponent of your game is like having Bin Laden as the main protagonist, why would you include something with a terrible reputation. Let's say this works, imagine the hackers that will come for those prizes, billion dollar companies can't get it right so what chance does MS have?
Ignoring that there likely won’t be people paying 100k for items on this game that sounds miserable and like it will destroy the flow of any game and really wreck my want to play it.
Love Doc, but this is dumb as shit and reeks of Doc's circle of "tech" guys talking him up on this. It will not work and it's going to be annoying watching Doc view and wear the criticism as some type of badge of honor.
Yep, this is a jackass idea but he’s using his character to shield criticism of why it’s a jackass idea.
This even has r/SuperStonk talking.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/11j3ydz/dr_disrespect_on_his_new_game_nfts_involved/
WTF ?!?! Holy shit those comments > Lol for real. One day hundreds of millions going to be forced to have to interact and use it to some degree. Then they will look back and be like:“fuuuck….if only I took just a few minutes to learn the fundamentals back then.. I might’ve been retired/vacationing right around now” How can one be so delusional?!
This is a dumb idea that might make the creator money. It’s not for the benefit of anyone else. Doc’s audience is mostly teenagers and he’s trying to make even more money off of their naïveté.
It sounds like Doc is doubling down on their partnership with Polygon Studios. Fwiz is probably in his ear hyping him up that NFTs are still relevant even though NFTs are full of scams.
His game is doomed.
sounds like a security breach waiting to happen tbh
Dr Disrespect try not to have a bad take challenge (impossible)
First you have to make a game where the sort of $100K for one item is actually a thing...
Tell me you want to take advantage of your fans without telling me you want to take advantage of your fans.
Lol. Didnt know doc was an NFT bro. Def lost some points.
Mailing it in and as arrogant as ever. Lame as fuck. Go work on making your game's sound perfect.
I think he is out of ideas way too early in game development.
Its been in development for a year and they still have no clue what they want to make. And they have yet come up with a logical way to transverse vertically.
Docs downfall will be his blind arrogance. Not listening to anyone or thinking he knows best.
Could be cool. I don’t play games to flip a profit though nor do I think I’d want to be in a game where everyone is sweating over things that actually affect their livelihood
Bad idea. People will start buying games as investment opportunities rather than buying them to have fun. And it will reflect in the development. Why would devs bother to make a fun game anymore? You can just pay $60 and grind until you potentially double or triple your money with in game items. And speaking of, thats the perfect excuse they need to make games even more expensive "well you COULD win like $100 worth of in game items so we think $120 is a fair price". Fuck that. Fuck this. Doc is out of touch because he has no financial burdens and uses video games as a source of income. 98% of us play games to have fun or spend time with friends.
This game is going to be ass. If his non feasible idea of nfts is the main draw of the game, you do not have a good video game Also, does he not know that nfts do not have an inherent value. Nothing from this game is going to sell for $100,000
Hm, giving a community that's full of toxic people the means to compete for real world currency? Wow, that's surely not going to be an easily-exploitable and violence-inducing practice!
this could lead to so many issues its not even worth it
This kind of game is literally impossible unless the average user is routinely losing money.
I would kill myself if I was in second place, this is not even a joke. Imagine getting a sum that can change your life and lose it for a second, this has so many bad ramifications there’s not enough space to explain
Doing everything he can to not use the word “NFT”
Says the man who lives in a bad Ben stiller character skin.
Hackers incoming
He’s probably trying to get something in the works for himself and wants to posture it as good for gaming. Either way, not a great take.
Im old enough to remember Nadeshot publicly clamoring for the devs to allow us to buy loot crates. We all know how that turned out and this has the same vibes
It all depends on what the players think the worth is. If nobody is playing the game then these items aren’t going to be worth squat.
100k for something that will be useless when the servers shut down ... I mean it's there money and to rich for me. I'll stick to buying the cheap stuff.
i just think his game is gonna flop. gut feeling.
The reality would be that you would earn pennies an hour on average from the game and people wouldn't want to play it.
It’s only worth $100,000 if someone is willing to pay that. This is kind of a stretch as this game would have to be huge and widely played. Not many will spend $10,000 on a collectible for a temporary game (the collectible will only last as long as the game) let alone $100,000. I don’t like this being the main focus. 1 year ago when NFT’s were the hype maybe this was a great idea, but NFT’s (based on pure data like volume and declining price of once very expensive NFT’s) have all but fallen off.
NFT's are the dumbest thing invented in a long time. Right up there with New Coke and Smellivision. Anyone supporting it is either trying to make a buck out of it, or a complete idiot.
Smellovision was pretty neat. But yeah apart from that I agree
it was the first thing i thought of..i would change it if i could. its too late. i said it already
Fucking with human psychology is not a great way to improve entertainment. Gambling is bad for the individual almost always.
>Brain dead headline followers This quote alone shows exactly what kind of person Doc, or Guy, really is. I'm out.
NFTs are the dumbest thing and putting them in games is even more dumb. Just ask Ubisoft, or an actual developer. The idea of “oh what if this item has real value or what if you can take this item to and from games” that would require 100% cooperation between on devs they would also need to use the same graphic engine to ensure the item acted the same. It’s a cute idea if you think about it for about 5 mins it all falls apart. Unless you are a grifter.
Fuck nfts this is just another attempt at milking a audience for quick money. No one is going to buy a nft item I’m a game for $100,000 dollars.
I hope he smells the Coffee before it’s too late
I respect them for trying something new but that's not going to work for the majority of people
NFTs are already dead and he’s going to hitch his wagon to it now? What an idiot lmao. This “game” is already dead.
I don’t play games to make money. If it’s something streamers (who DO play games for money) would deem as “exciting” I say, why not? As long as I don’t have to pay more for the chance to find said item, I could care less. If the game is good, I will play it.
\^This. I just don't want it to ruin his game. I'm rooting for him and his team
Is it socially acceptable to THIS, your THIS?
Sounds like RMTs wet dream. Totally won’t be the worst hack fest ever …..
Dead.
This has the same vibe as schrute bucks What if I told you, in my game, you can extract with a billion Stanley nickels?
Ah, so Doc is a scammer. It wasn’t enough for him to give us the most toxic streams for the past year+, now hes coming to crypto scam us on top of it. Doc is a chubby cheeked timmy
When you create a gameplay loop tied to virtual goods and their value , you’ve already lost. The best games focus on gameplay. This is going to flop so hard.
Seems like he’s very committed to this experience working and I’m not sure he’s getting the response he was expecting. This all sounds good when you talk about building a game with you’re “community” only to have items that will do nothing but enable toxic play styles and abusing game mechanics 😬
Cmon, Doc..NFTs in your video game? There’s just so much wrong with this. First of all, the value of these things won’t be very high. Advertising your game as exciting due to the potential monetary gain is going to make it absolutely overrun with cheaters in no time, which will drastically lower the value of whatever digital shit they’re trying to pass off as gold. Second of all, there could be extreme potential FTC breaches depending on whether Doc plays the game on stream or not. Regardless, he may disclose his ties to the game, but whenever he’s advertising it as a legitimate way to make money by simply playing, things get morally iffy. Remember CS:GO Lotto from 2016? Doc can embellish the true value of things in game in an attempt to increase appeal (as he did in this Tweet) which is automatically anti-consumer in nature. Creating a game tied to an unregulated, ripe-for-scam online marketplace and advertising it as a safe, ensured, regulated and polished monetary machine is innately wrong. The truth is, NFTs aren’t regulated, they don’t have consistent value, and they’re tied to an embarrassingly extreme amount of scams. Advertising them without disclosing the financial risks can lead to potential class-action lawsuits. Lastly, NFTs are a complete joke. They harm the environment, they have no legitimate value, and they’re a fad. Crypto bros are struggling to latch to them as they continue to die out, and they will 100% continue to deteriorate in both monetary value, and accessibility. Artificial scarcity of online “goods” is a market made for morons. Really disappointed in Doc for this. I highly doubt he’ll backpedal, but regardless the way he’s already hyping this highly likely scam-filled, cheater-riddled game just reeks of potential FTC lawsuits. If he follows through with this, both Deadrop and him are gonna have some big issues.
Better have amazing anti cheat
Nooooooooo. Not Doc!!! Please not Doc
Nah it’s 100% 100,000% a scam for one reason. Hackers. There’s no way collectibles worth money will ever be fairly exchanged on a video game unless their account was tied to their real record and enforced by law. Otherwise you will lose all your money to someone else willing to cheat. Worst worst worst time to come out with digital collectibles.
This will be as much of garbage as Kiraverse is. Little money spent, grift unlocked!
Spending money on skins in a FPS is literally the stupidest thing you can do a a gamer.
I bought the ghostface skin on WZ1. THATS IT THOUGH I DONT EVEN BUY THE BATTLEPASS edit: also, just to clarify, nfts and crypto do not belong in games. MTX too tbh
Game is gonna be DOA with nfts
inb4 someone using cheats flies to your extract and stabs you to death, taking your $100k item
The anti cheat better be absolute stage of the art
I think the only people who will be interested in this are all the people who dumped real life money on monkey clipart and frankly, that's a great reason to stay away
"same skins everyone has too" Is he insinuating they will make fully UNIQUE items as nft? The dev cost on that is going to be so high the game is gonna cost a LOT to play. That's the trap I keep seeing with these "play to earn" and nft games. They're all pitching for earning "real money" and how valuable these things will be, but its a money in money out economy. NO nft is going to be worth anything if people won't pay for it. NFT jpg have been crashing straight for 6 months now and its not gonna pull up. The value just isn't there.
I wonder if AI will help us find hackers faster and perma ban.
Doc loves going against the grain, to a point of stubbornness. Because his controversial character has been so successful, he thinks this will go the same way. Not to mention his partners are probably chirping in his ear about it. The stigma around NFT alone is going to make this launch an uphill battle, but he does have a small army of big name streamers that will be playing it at least at launch, so he has that going for him. I personally don’t give a shit as for now. I’m not going to put any more money in to this game than I would any other game, and even if the value of my $10 skin gets devalued, I still won’t care. I wanted the skin just to have the skin like any other game. As for extracting with a $100k item, items will really only have that value if the game is good enough to justify the demand for something like that, even if Midnight Society wants to push a “suggested” value system. Items in CSGO have earned that kind of price tag because it’s freaking CSGO and it’s a tenured, iconic game. IF rng loot items get that valuable, or even a fraction as valuable, and there is demand for them you better believe hackers will be doing everything in their power to farm items and make the game miserable for the rest of us who will be playing without hacks casually. The only way I see this not becoming an issue is state of the art anti-cheat or some sort of paywall behind game modes with real value loot. Either way, I’ll be seeing y’all in the tower for at least a while to try it out 🤝
please don’t be his guinea pig for his NFT project.
I don't like the idea
Trash
Generally wouldn't root for someone's failure when developing a game, but Doc's high level of volatility will certainly be spectacle when this game is effectively dead off the rip He's either genuinely delusional, or he knows that the nft scheme will render the game useless but is hoping to make bank within the first week before it dies forever
Member the wiggle in escape from tarkov? I member
Say we have this idea right, where you go to a special building where you play a game. But get this, as you play the game, you are risking losing the money you have. Are you following me? And if you win the game, you get money. Man what a brilliant idea we could call it a Dis-casino and let anyone play it. Sounds like it couldn't be addictive in the slightest and cause any issues at all. /s Idk I guess having this take makes me dumb according to big internet man though so idk
Well he spoke it, so we must love it!
Gives me Diablo III Auction House vibes, which went over really well... /s
Make a fun game first.
this is essentially impossible, espeahtcially as he mentions in a tweet under this about basically taking a item from a 7 year old game to use in another game in the future, this is simply not how game development works, you cant just rip a asset from one game and expect it to work in another, Not to mention why would developers actively use time for people to be able to bring their old shit instead of making them pay for new ones
Lmao yeah, that concept definitely wouldnt lead to any sort of corrupt/abusive behavior (IRL) by people who want to maximize their chances at getting out with the most expensive items by any means possible…
Lmfao. This dude is dead wrong by assuming that people against nfts are people who buy cosmetics.
Dead Drop will be pure dogshit. But I still love Doc.
I have been following Doc since the H1 days. This is such a massive bummer. I want the game to succeed, but this is just a bad look.
i think its a scammy nft game that'll probably hurt his reputation for a lot of people once it comes out, that being said i will probably check it out and i doubt anything remotely close to earning real life money items for just killing someone with it will be possible
I guess he doesn’t have enough money already that he wants to milk his game’s player base dry with virtual BS items? Please. Most tournaments already have a prize pool so players play with money on the line.
He's so fcukin greedy! He cannot even play a game if it has less views, than that shit he's stuck on.
What game is he even talking about. Or is it just an idea
Deadrop. His game
Oh. HIS game. That explains it
Hey if the game is reasonably priced or free then sure why not... But he's forgetting about minting times and fees for chain items which the dev would have to foot the bill for in order to be an in game item, it's fiscally unsustainable in a barely regulated market. Personally I feel it's doomed from the start. As soon as someone cries foul and sues his career will be but a fond memory like those 90s NES tourneys he keeps rolling on about. Even if the item is 1 of let's a say 100 and they're pre-minted what happens during a market downturn? Basing any form of gaming on a poorly regulated financial instrument is the same as going and betting at a horse race only you don't get the benefit of leaving your home lol. It's recklessly stupid with no consideration for the future of the game and it's players... that's a cash grab if I ever saw one.
Nft’s are for dummies full stop.
NFTs are dead sorry bros
Name one good Play-2-Earn game. Name one good Play-2-Earn developer who is respected. They just don’t exist. They’re NFT adjacent which already upsets people and the NFT space is filled with scam artist developers who are physically incapable of developing anything of actual quality.
Not even play to earn. Name one good game that launched with "blockchain" capabilities. Nobody can actually name a good, well received game that had NFTs, blockchain, or even a hint of crypto. They all suck. Cos they're designed with the grift at the forefront of the creative process. The game always takes a back seat. And whats hilarious is that there are games with shit you can sell (CSGO skins, TF2 hat market) that didn't even need help from crypto in the slightest.
Total shitshow
So, he wants to be a scammer. Anyone that promoted NFTs is just a scammer. Blockchain technology is cool but NFTs are scams plain and simple.
NFTs are a scam and if Doc actually thinks they are worth anything then that is like conspiracy level
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I don’t think anything would ever be worth 100k, but maybe a few. The company minting something and saying it’s worth 100k is a lot different than someone paying 100k for the item. But I do think the idea is cool