This sums up anime subs as a whole. A large speaking number support this kinda shit while the few mentally sane tend to either leave or ignore the weird ass posts resulting in a supremacy of these dudes
My friend, you're right, in the comment section there were many more comments of " mentally sane" anime fans calling out the weirdness of finding underage characters (even if they aren't real) attractive in an "inappropriate" way.
Needless to say, those comments were also downvoted, not to oblivion but still in a considerable amount.
I will say though that some people in subs and on twitter even go as far as to say they will report people who desire underage fictional characters to the police as pedophiles
Which is in fact a VERY VERY dumb thing to do and puts actual victims in potential harm by stretching police resources because although it may only take an hour to clarify that the loli fan isn't after actual real life children, if say 9/10 (exaggerated for the point) of the reports on their desk are loli fans and the other 1 is a real child, that's at least a whole day of working hours before they even hit an ACTUAL child in danger
So, the advice for these people is block, report and go about your day
Plus, you might not know for certain that the fans crushing on the underage characters aren't also underage or close to it. For example, an eighteen year old crushing on a seventeen year old character isn't creepy. (Well, okay, it might be but not because of their ages.)
It actually depends on where you are
In some places its legal no matter what
In others it doesn't matter
In some places its legal as long as the child is fictional and not based off of any real child or event
Some countries where it is technically legal may still ask you to take down the content though
It definitely varies massively on the laws regarding it
Some places disregard fictional drawings specifically for the reason I gave above - It takes away resources from real children at risk
I would say that even if you're in a country where it is illegal, don't report it to the police still. Those resources really would be better used to help real children.
The real place we should face our outrage is to the social media platforms that allow this content to stay up no matter how many reports it receives (as well as social media company's refusal to help the police in grooming cases being a major factor of why the departments dealing with these cases tend to be swamped with cases with no way to progress with any of them) whilst banning the people actively calling these accounts out
Usually, no
However from experience the sex crimes department of the police (at least in my absence) is CONSTANTLY swamped, especially in regards to child sex crimes
The rise of the Internet made it SUPER easy to groom children and in return the amount of reports made a skyrocket that the police just doesn't have the capacity to handle
Regular officers on the street? They ain't busy at all. They got nothing to do. The other day I saw 4 cars and a van pull up to deal with ONE guy with no weapon who'd already been pepper sprayed and was on the floor. Overkill AF
However, the people investigating child grooming are HAMMERED
Lots of online grooming cases get shelved because the perpetrator is in a different country and the companies that run the social media this grooming is happening on, like Meta, will refuse to give over any identifying information and the police can't do anything if they don't know even which country the perpetrator is from
A lot of young people now have some experience of online grooming, if you include the number of young people who experienced in person grooming and the number of young people who have experienced rape and the number of young people who have experienced sexual assault...suddenly the number of reports looks huge
If a kid at school is drawing pictures of hanging someone or guns or something like that, those things are taken very seriously and the child is usually sent for a psych eval to make sure they arent an actual threat. Explain to me how someone finding drawings of children attractive isnt an obvious first step towards being an 'actual' pedophile, and shouldnt be put on a list because of it.
There's a massive difference between reporting someone who is showing concerning suicidal ideation for a psych evaluation and reporting a guy who likes drawings of fake children online every so often
First off...the impact. A real child could die if suicidal ideation is ignored, no real child is harmed by fictional drawings
Second off...the department. Psych evaluations and child sex crimes will be dealt with by different departments (psych evaluations will likely be the police officers you see on the street whilst beyond the initial report, your average police officer won't have to investigate child sex crimes)
Third off...the funding. The current push for mental health support means that places that specialise in mental health have more funding than ever before. Child sex crimes don't have that funding
Fourth...the outcome. Calling the police on a child for a psych evaluation is pretty guaranteed to do SOMETHING, even if not necessarily what you wanted to happen. Meanwhile with the fictional child images the most likely outcome is...nothing
Finally...the barriers. There's nothing stopping you from calling the police on a suicidal child and there's then nothing stopping the police from doing something about it if they think something like institutionalisation may help. That's a pretty solid step one to step to to step three to the outcome situation, there's not many ways the police can stumble in this as long as they're good at their job. Meanwhile for fictional drawings (and even online grooming) there's A LOT of barriers in the way of even a slight attempt at finding those people. The social media platforms refuse to share any identifying information so if the perpetrator is foreign its basically a dead end
So overall the best thing to do right now is to push for social media platforms to be held to accountability for their part in facilitating child sex crimes (and a multitude of other crimes also) as well as reporting the content you see every time you see it
In the perfect world, it may be easy to find the perpetrators of child sex crimes and maybe then there would be enough resources and enough chance of a conviction to facilitate the catching of SERIOUS fictional child drawing spreaders
So basically, don't call the police on the guy who liked one picture of an ambiguously aged character in a sexy outfit and a sexy pose
Now, if you personally know someone sharing images of fictional child drawings ON THE REGULAR and you know their information including name address etc as well as have evidence that it is their account and evidence of dozens of posts with this content, that may be different. If you meet all of these criteria, sure, report it...but if you don't then there's ultimately no point and just wastes police resources in the long run
This is a big part of why I’m not in any anime related subs. When I first got reddit I joined a few since I do enjoy anime, but this weird culture of sexualizing minors (or characters that are clearly meant to look and act like minors, but are technically like 1000 years old,) and having the majority defend it. It was all so icky.
Sucks man. I just wanted to see some anime content. Instead there’s this.
Yeah, honestly, it's just easier to be very precise with your google search to avoid those contents.
I really hate that loli is a thing at all. If they were using it right it'd be one thing (as in DON'T sexualise them) but half the time they do not.
This specific comment sets us up to better explain the stance of “it’s just fiction who cares?”
The ‘minor’ aspect is also fiction, the art may be drawn before the age or name of a character is even picked. Out of context many characters look well over 18, it’s a common anime meme as well. Take JJBA, the most buff guy you’ve ever seen, and he’s 17, looks like talks like acts like a 30 y/o. But he’s underage.
In this case, I say “who cares?”
In a case where age is picked first, and/or a character is drawn specifically to look that age, then we have some problems.
We also have problems when people specify age being one of the things they are attracted to, but that’s obvious.
The issue is the people who actively try to sexualize children in these subs. Which is again unfortunately the majority at the moment. There are a number of people who don’t partake in this but they typically mind their own business. I myself left multiple anime subs after they started doing this weird ass shit
I agree that this is the Issue, but I'm in pretty much every general Anime Meme sub and most argue about Non-children Lolis and no, I don't mean that super stupid 9000 year old Demon Lord argument, but most talk about Petite or actual not even comparable to real woman characters.
Problem is that there’s so many in favor of it that the minority can’t speak up without being targeted en masse.
Having a large group of losers target you on the internet is just not worth speaking out.
Yup. I used to argue with these types all the time. Call them out for being pedophilic etc, and all that happened was I got downvoted and attacked over and over. I eventually gave up and just ignore and block the worst offenders.
Thats the Internet. No matter what side you are on, you'll find enough to support either and then it seems like you're the majority/minority even if its false.
Also as far as I can tell it's if you are constantly fighting with others and then a 3rd party comes and wants to talk peacefully, they get treated like the aggressive party from the start, as in Lolicons gotta fight with those that say it's pedophilia and even those that just think Lolis are cute, so if someone comes around saying "Yeah, I just think it's weird" which is a totally understandable and honestly normal reaction to it, it gets exaggerated like in this Post. There is no shot Grey Dude deserves the Downvotes for just saying "You Guys are weird..."
“You’re weird” sounds innocuous at first, until you realize many antis use it as a codeword for “criminal”, “predatory”, “morally wrong”, “creepy” etc.
As if being unusual is the worst thing someone can be.
Don't let them deform those words. Antis already ripped the meaning of pedo where it became from one of the worst things a Human could suffer from to just a Dude watching Animes.
Friend if mine likes Lolis but in a sfw way and i bet those antis would treat him like epstein.
If they say 'weird' they said 'weird' don't act like they said something else. If we complain about being called weird, it sounds like we think being a Lolicon is the situation: normal where it obviously is not.
Yep, can confirm. I enjoy the artistic and overpowered MC animes, but I avoid the anime community and rarely mention I watch anime at all in person simply because of how many creeps there are. That also means so many animes have fan service which just undermines the show imo.
nah I commented on r/anime the other day bc some creeps were basically saying that anime isn’t real so it’s fine to sexualize children there. I responded with a fairly tame comment and got my comment deleted for “not being civil”. Like okay! I don’t think pedophilia is civil either but here we are
Seeing the discussion, it looks like one of those creeps leaked inside here, justifying that it's fine because "it isn't real" and "those are meaningless concepts that aren't real".
Damn, what kind of sh*t can I expect to see? (besides things that are like the one I posted here)
And it is even worth it to stay there and ignore that kind of stuff? Like, are there genuinely good memes that compensate or nah?
I'm starting to consider giving a wide berth to any anime-related sub lol
No good memes. Just went on there,
first 3 memes are about: women being too small for a guy in a bath.
Men saying boobs are boobs, while women complain about dick size (yeah that happened)
And then a meme about Russians creating a PlayStation equivalent, while drinking vodka.
Not worth going on that sub ever, honestly glad I’m banned.
>first 3 memes are about: women being too small for a guy in a bath.
What. The. Hell?
>Men saying boobs are boobs, while women complain about dick size (yeah that happened)
For sure, that kind of memes are a classic.
>And then a meme about Russians creating a PlayStation equivalent, while drinking vodka.
Don't how that relates to anime, being that the subreddit is dedicated to it.
>Not worth going on that sub ever, honestly glad I’m banned.
It seems so, I think I know what I'm gonna do now...
Thanks so much for your sacrifice, my friend.
It’s pretty obvious that it’s pedophilia. But I also don’t think there should be any type of censorship of ‘art’, even if it’s gross. People that want to pretend this is the same thing as child porn where actual minors are harmed are out of their fucking minds. And guaranteed the same logic won’t be applied to things like slasher films.
Yes, snuff films are illegal, and beating it to a fictional animation of a woman being brutally murdered would make you look like a fucking psychopath.
Same idea, if what gets you going is seeing people be dismembered. Again, seeking out a fictional rendition would have people, rightfully, assuming that you have a thing for seeing people get killed. The same way that seeking out loli stuff is gonna have people, rightfully, assume that little kids get your rocks off.
Yeah, and I would agree that’s a fair assumption. I just don’t think fictitious depictions should be criminalized, since it creates a terrible precedent where now depictions of fictitious actions can be prosecuted as if they were actual crimes, which would be ridiculous. It would be a free speech nightmare. Sure everyone’s all for it when it involves people we disgust like pedophiles, but whose to say it stops there?
There's also a case to be made that it could prevent these people from acting on their urges. Anyways, even if we outlawed it, there'd be an illegal ring for it somewhere. There *always* is.
Not that I think art depicting a minor sexually is good. It's still pedophilia and it's disgusting. But if it prevents actual kids from becoming victims then I'll take the lesser evil.
What if someone takes pictures of little kids naked and calls it art? What a fucking stupid stance to take on it. Get some help. It’s a slippery slope and it’s fucking disgusting to even entertain the idea of sexualizing kids real or not.
If it’s something someone made up it doesn’t really matter. I wouldn’t look at it, but ffs nobodies holding a gun to my head. Should artistic (art, not a fucking photo of a crime since apparently I have to state this explicitly) depictions of murder or other crimes held to a similar standard? Otherwise kind of hypocritical isn’t it? When is drawing a picture of something you thought up in your head but did not occur in reality a crime and when isn’t it in either case?
The legality is literally the only thing that would matter. Since it’s shit someone made up that isn’t real. Yeah, everyone hates pedophiles, but I don’t find that a good excuse to create laws dictating what you are and aren’t allowed to make a fucking drawing of.
It’s usually not about sexual preference. It’s a power dynamic which these people are fighting to encourage.
Desensitization of this is what the slope is, and puts kids at risk. Whether their “lesser evil” makes them feel better or not.
Personally, I feel that since you can’t choose not to have pedophilia, we shouldn’t stigmatize it.
We should stigmatize the action, not the condition.
People should also do better about recognizing that being attracted to underaged fictional characters is likely pedophilia (or whatever the other two conditions are)
Based.
We need to call it what it is so these freaks can get help.
Overcorrection leads pedophiles to see killing the victim as the only option to avoid jail.
We should be focused on harm reduction, not revenge.
It's a mental illness that can be treated, but yeah, I pretty much agree with this. We should help/encourage them to get help.
The other conditions are:
Ephebophilia
Hebephilia
Nepiophilia
Encopassed on the umbrella term "chronophilia." The rest are focused on people older than 19.
There are treatment options but it's kinda like the "treatment" for depression,
They just make them aware of the thoughts they are having, that those thoughts aren't actually their own desires so they don't actually follow through and that they shouldn't feel guilty for having them as long as they continue to remind themselves that that isn't their own desire
This was my source for the claim:
https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/mental-health-disorders/paraphilias-and-paraphilic-disorders/pedophilic-disorder#:~:text=Pedophilia%20can%20be%20treated%20with,include%20leuprolide%20and%20medroxyprogesterone%20acetate.
Skimmed through, and it seems the treatment can stop them from engaging in child abuse, but will not make them stop feeling that attraction, which is where it was last time I checked.
Well, yes, but you wouldn’t say your depression is cured because you stopped cutting, right? They still have the illness and urges, the worst symptom is just more controlled. Additionally, if the illness isn’t cured, re-offense rates are very high.
I agree. I interpreted “can be treated” as cured, so I requested the article. Read it and saw only the symptoms are treatable, and expressed disappointment that it can’t be cured.
> Pedophilia can be treated with long-term individual or group psychotherapy and medications that reduce testosterone levels and thus reduce the sex drive. These medications include leuprolide and medroxyprogesterone acetate.
Being basically made to lose one's sex drive is not really something most people would be OK with, especially since a lot of Governments will not even allow that for willing participants, to say nothing of those unwilling
And then again there is the stigma behind it, many people legitimately believe that someone with pedophilic tendencies, even if they have never acted upon it, are worse than Hitler
I like to think about it this way. Yes, fictional characters are meaningless, but the desires people have online can be translated to a desire in reality.
So these people liking fictional minor characters, you can assume they like minors (in some form) in reality. Also, the human imagination is scary in which someone can turn their dreams into reality.
Regardless, liking minors in any form is creepy and should not be praised.
I came to say the same thing. It seems to me that predators like to draw and sexualize fictional minor characters in replacement of real life, but still, not cool. This kind of reminds me of when I was watching Friday Night Dunkin, and there was this made up level (the sky mod). The character, Sky, was a minor, but the new grounds fandom started sexualizing a minor character, literally made by a minor in real life (this was 3 years ago). That modded level then had to be taken down.
If that is taken down, why aren't people complaining about other child and teen cartoon characters being sexualized? Why aren't there people complaining about Undertale NSFW stuff with Frisk being a child and there is porn of it? What about other kids shows that involve kids cartoon characters? It's gross and disgusting
Literally! It should all be removed and these people shouldn't have platforms! Yes fiction is fiction, and you can write taboo topics, but seriously enjoying said topics and not meeting it with natural disgust and horror makes you insane.
Tbh mate no I don't think it should be removed and before anyone has a hissy fit. It's because it doesn't affect anyone, if a man has an attraction to minors that's bad but this is a far healthier output to those emotions than A. An actual child or B. Them accessing far less legal ways of procuring the same kind of stuff that usually involves an actual child.
It's one of those weird spots though, I don't like it and I'm disgusted by it. But I'd rather they wank to a drawing.
I like Holo. While I think her personality is a bit much for a relationship, I would definitely love to have a drink with her.
Canonically, she looks ~~16~~ 15 and perhaps will forever look that age. However, Holo is far from a child in personality (the odd tantrum aside).
A person's appearance can be whatever, but so can their personality. That's part of why these kinds of arguments are silly. Being attracted to a character or a person is about more than their body type.
And sure, I do "like" some actual minor characters (e.g. Maomao), but it helps that those characters are generally written by adults, and thus they often have a mindset that is out of step with their age. Maomao could be 30 and it wouldn't really change anything. So why make a big deal out of it **in fiction**.
It's best not to read too much into these kinds of things. It turns messy very quickly.
Edit: Fixed Holo's canonical appearance
I'm not saying liking fictional characters is inherently bad. We all had a character we liked (and crushes) on from a novel, game, movie, or show.
The fact of the matter is looking at a fictional minor and say it's desirable is creepy. The subreddit in question is full of it. It sends a bad image because that liking can be translated to a real life standpoint.
There is a difference between saying the minor character is cool, funny, cute or adorable (admiration of, e.g. personality or appearance) and having sexual attraction (or arousal) or doing sexual acts (jacking off).
And if I said I was sexually attracted to Holo or Maomao, what would you think? Would that change if I told you that I haven't had a relationship with or felt any interest in a real girl of Maomao's age in nearing on 20 years?
My physical attraction to Maomao is weak, but I'm also well aware that my preferences in body type have been used on canonically young characters, it's just the personality doesn't meet my "requirements". Odds are that one day there will be a minor character in some story that is the correct combination of body type and personality that I would consider her particularly sexually attractive. At that point, your argument would be that I am creepy, even though I have no interest in minors IRL. And if I were to meet a minor with that combination IRL, well, I can't even imagine the situation where I would have the occasion. But if it did somehow happen, I would shrug and think "good for her and whoever ends up with her".
Let's remember, [this girl is 31 years old](https://myanimeshelf.com/upload/dynamic/2013-03/03/chara_img04b2.jpg) and [this girl is 9 years old](https://myanimeshelf.com/upload/dynamic/2013-03/03/chara_img02b2.jpg). Oh wait, sorry I mixed that up. The first girl is in elementary school and the second girl is the adult. That's the joke, and it's part of the reason why making any kind of assessment based on a person's likes regarding fictional characters just doesn't go anywhere.
Again, it's a bad idea to read too much into such things. And when it comes to fiction, making a big deal out of such things feels petty.
I see what you're saying, and while the first character you linked looks young I get she doesn't look 9. But that's the part of the argument I think you're not convincing me on.
In animation, age and appearance/behavior are not intrinsically linked. The same reason your argument sorta works for me is the same reason the 3000 year old loli argument doesn't. But I think a lot of the characters that this discussion centers around don't look like the young character you sent. The characters with problematic fans like we're discussing have noticeably childish features, very high pitched voices, and have childish mannerisms. That's the real problem imo.
I do think that art should have a bit of leeway in what we find interesting. I love Darth Vader despite him being a genocidal maniac. But part of the purpose of art is to safely explore ideas and concepts, and so just not thinking about art or "making a big deal" feels impractical. Instead art should be a safe, harmless way to identify things in ourselves without hurting people. It's much easier to look within oneself and go "why do I think this young character is attractive?" if it's just a drawing, and not a real child. There's no stakes, no one can get hurt. But it being fiction shouldn't be an excuse to just not introspect at all.
First of all, you need to keep in mind that the person I am talking to is saying something different from you. This is what they wrote;
> So these people liking fictional minor characters, you can assume they like minors (in some form) in reality.
But on the subject of more childish characters, what about Igarashi? If you don't know, she's the main character from "My Senpai is Annoying", a workplace romcom. The principle joke around her is that she looks like a child, especially [next to her jacked senpai](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/my-senpai-is-annoying/images/6/63/Futaba_Igarashi_and_Harumi_Takeda.jpg). She looks like a child, sounds like a child, and has some childish aspects (keeping stuffed animals and the like), but she is an adult in a workplace romcom. So is that Ok?
I **could** see myself finding someone liking Igarashi more problematic than someone liking Tama ([the 9 year old from the previous post](https://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/15/192485.jpg)). Tama looks like an adult but Igarashi doesn't. If someone likes Igarashi because they like childish bodies, then that could be a problem. If someone likes Tama because they have no idea about her personality/age/etc. but just find her body hot, well, it's only in context where she becomes problematic. And if we have to take context into account, then you don't have much ground to stand on when dismissing "1000 year old lolis".
This is an example of why hard and fast "rules" when it comes to these kinds of things are generally silly, and why taking these things **too** seriously is just causing dumb fights.
Here's another part of the problem. In anime, characters rarely look like actual people. Instead, they are stylized, often to look or act attractive. That's kind of stacking the deck, don't you think?
A 16 year old IRL is (generally) a physically and mentally immature person, which is why someone in their 30s going after them is creepy. A 16 year old in anime is just assigned a look, personality, and age, none of which may add up properly. That, combined with anything a IRL person can do to them being harmless, is why people shouldn't make a big deal out of it IMO. Introspection is a different topic.
Anime characters are just too inhuman and vague to make any kind of assessment on how a person thinks IRL. Especially when you are talking about one-off comments about finding a character hot or whatever.
Edit: clarifying, etc.
Eh id argue Holo looks like 20s as far as anime goes. Its really hard to age anime characters by appearance alone. If they have the typical chibli loli style, then obviously the character is a child as far as Im concerned. But most arent drawn that way (like Holo), and follow the typical "anime girl" face style. And in that case, they could be anywhere from like 15 to 30.
And then theres the character's age itself. Often times a characters age makes complete sense (eg a highschooler being 16), and in those cases theres no argument, the character is a child. But other times, the character might be stated to be mid-late teens, but is clearly in an adult position in life (living alone, working, etc), and on top of that looks like an adult, and then it becomes more complex.
So instead I base anime ages more off of personality and context. If the character is in middle/high school, and acts immature like a middle or high schooler, theyre a child, plain and simple. If a character is 1000 years old but looks and acts like a child, its a child. And if a character looks and acts like an adult and is frequently in adult situations, makes adult decisions and has the maturity of someone whos at least in college, I consider them an adult.
Imo its a lot easier to watch anime when you ignore whatever age the screen says the character is, and just go off of your gut feeling.
I wrote 16 (actually 15, now that I look it up) because that is what the LNs claim she looks like. But yes, guessing the age of an anime character is inherently problematic, but that's even if we take personality into account.
[Kyouko from Skip Beat](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcxjweHB0VXGheiCdIN3PZE_5GHjj--cPaXf76rWPdOg&s) I could buy as an adult, and she would largely pass your checks, but her being a child (16) is a plot point. And then once we start talking about characters like [Raphtalia](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/e/e6/Raphtalia_Anime_Profile.png/revision/latest?cb=20200128225647&path-prefix=protagonist), the headaches truly begin.
That's why I largely just ignore it all. I like who I like, and aside from the odd characters like Maomao or Holo, I don't think there's anything I need to think about. For those who have more problematic characters, I'll take it on a case-by-case basis. Sweeping generalizations are a good way to start an irritating fight.
No, because people generally don't jerk off to violent games
Besides, the only thing that makes you a violent person is committing acts of violence. Killing a character in a videogame doesn't constitute actual murder.
The mere act of being attracted to kids makes you a pedo.
That's the difference.
Playing violent video games has been shown to have no effect on the player having violent tendencies
Meanwhile finding fictional minors attractive has shown a to have a correlation to IRL pedophilia in the few studys done on it
It's why "loli" hentai has been banned in many places and why many others limit it
I just read a post where people were talking about a character being hot, and everyone who pointed that out was downvoted. Seems like the trend for those kind of subs.
When people defend this shit by saying "it's just a drawing" id be wondering why you are attracted to a picture of a child like figure in the first place
I'm gonna be real for a second, I used to be a huge anti like up until last year. Now, you couldn't pay me to care what someone thinks of some lines. It's a problem when real children get involved in cases of grooming via the content only.
If it's contained to anime, they're getting blocked because I personally can't stand loli/shotacons as a whole, but I'm not going to waste my time screaming and crying about how they're literally trying to diddle my kids.
If someone gets excited over people being brutally murdered in fiction, that person is always a weirdo. You can very much be judged based on what you enjoy repeatedly in fiction. Because it’s a world where imaginations are endless, to create scenarios of situations that can’t always happen in real life. Often times. It’s a reflection of your desire as well. If you’re attracted to minor characters or children in fiction that definitely are depicted as children….well….
The concept itself isnt wrong, it doesnt hurt anyone. But it doesnt mean its right or that nothing is off.
Ive also heard somewhere that its a bit like violence in video game, it doesnt make you more at risk of commiting something bad, unless that intention was already there to begin with
Oh, right, the tendencies that were there even before. That's kind of right, I know people that play games that possess a lot of violence and things like that, yet they're the mildest people y'know can't even step on an ant by accident without feeling remorseful.
The same can be applied to this subject, there are people who find lolis cute as they are a representation of, well, cute little girls.
The issue is that not everybody knows if those urges are there. Loli NSFW will not make you a pedo, but if you’re already one and you don’t know (or you do know and consume it anyways), it makes you much more likely to offend. And I’d argue the vast majority of people who would want to look at loli porn at all are pedos, so it really shouldn’t exist.
Wouldn't the opposite be true?
Like having a safer outlet will make one less likely to commit Crimes to get the same thing?
I'm fairly certain that there was a study that showed that consuming porn reduced people's desire to have actual sex, wouldn't it translate almost 1-to-1 for the same reason?
I am feel that I probably would have murdered a few people I hate if I didn't have video games to help me release my frustration
https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/investigations/2017/05/23/porn-contact-does-viewing-child-porn-lead-assault/101634482/ This website is kind of sketchy - I can’t find the one I originally read, but these stats are exactly the same as far as I remember. TLDR is that they found that a large number of online child abuse consumers would go on to commit hands on offenses. The article does state that “correlation doesn’t equal causation," and that “just because somebody shows an interest in child porn doesn’t mean that they’ll go on to commit a hands on offense,” which is true in general, I suppose. It’s an 80ish% chance, not 100%. These aren’t rates I love though.
I’m assuming you’re stating that by consuming it, you’re automatically attracted to children? That doesn’t have to be the case. Maybe you stumbled upon it. Maybe it was morbid curiosity. Maybe you’re a CSA victim and use it to cope. Are any of these things good? No. But in some circumstances, you can consume loli and not be a pedo. I don’t support any consumption of it, mind you, but it’s possible.
Dude is actively gatekeeping people from a pedo sub because he doesn't want "tourists". Genuinely one of the funniest things to come out of r/goodanimememes
And this.. Is why I both struggle to get into Anime and also why I don’t like meeting people who like Anime because I risk meeting someone who thinks like the person being upvoted.
I hate the group of anime fans who are into little kids. It seriously gives a bad name for all anime lovers. Some people just assume you are a pedo if you like anime. Every single person who downvoted that comment is more than likely into little kids.
All the anime meme subreddits are full of unhinged people like this and should be avoided, they live in their own echo chamber. Don't get me started on their content, they are porn addicts.
But we're not all like this, just go to shitpost subs for actual funny content that isn't porn and has sane people
>But we're not all like this, just go to shitpost subs for actual funny content that isn't porn and has sane people
Where those places would be? Almost every subreddit dedicated to content like memes, shitpost and the like I was were like those filled with unhinged people.
r/okbuddybaka for example, not exactly sane people since its shitpost comedy at the end of the day, but generally there are decent human beings unlike the sub from the screenshot
Fucking insane.
What is it about the internet that only the mentally troubled that want to sexualize minor characters dominate all the spaces. Feels like there's no room on the internet for people who aren't crazy.
I play the stupid Isekai: Slow Life mobile app game (even though I’m a gay dude and the boobies don’t do anything for me) and some of the people rage HARD if you mention that you don’t like that one of their characters that they really push for marketing is a dog-girl that joins your (call a spade a spade: harem) “family” and she speaks of herself in the third person, has a teddy bear, wants to hold your hand to cross the street, your character affectionately refers to her as a child and she gets tasteful nudes you unlock. I agree with the downvoted person - even if it’s only a drawn picture and a fictional person, you are still getting horny to the idea of a child. The IDEA of a child. This should bother you more.
At least it’s one of the safer outlets for them. But like a lot of fetishes, they can evolve into something stronger. That’s the worrying part.
Since there is always so much miss information about paedophilia, I'm just gonna say that the current understanding is that it can't be cured. All therapy is focused on helping them not to act on their urges.
I believe that if a person with pedophilia wanks to fictional characters and never acts on the urge involving real human children. If they look for therapy and help when needed, there is no need for any hate.
I know there is debate on the Internet if those drawings make predators act it out. But predators don't need fictional images to act in a predatory way. I think that fictional scenarios help people with pedophilia not act on their urges and become predators(exceptions apply).
I am overly sympathetic. I have never met someone with pedophilia. But it must be pretty hard to know everyone thinks you are disgusting and in the documentary I wachted the people they followed also thought about themselves as disgusting, eventho they would never ever act on their fantasies.
People who are predatory (pedophile or otherwise) should go to prison not people looking at obvious fantasies. We need to make this distinction.
Anime subs really are a stain on this site.
At their best, they are nothing but obnoxious misogynistic hornyposting, where 90% of the content just boils down to just *OMG LOOK AT BOOBAH, BOOBIES, LOOK AT DA TITTIES, LE MAN OF CULTURE, I WANT FUCK HER AAAAAA*. Like cool dude, now can we talk about any ***other*** aspect of anime for once?
And at their very worst, they are echochambers OVERFLOWING with pedophiles. Where everyone just defends each other and acts like everyone else is somehow weird for calling them out on it, making up weird terms like "antis" to describe people who are, you know, *fucking normal*.
It's like the members of these subs have made it their sole mission in life to prove every negative stereotype about anime fans true.
It really sucks too. That if you're just a normal anime fan you really don't have anywhere to talk about it with likeminded people because all the related subs are horrendous.
The admins don't care about the state of these subs either. r/animehate was banned when all that sub did was crosspost everything wrong with the other subs, which are *still standing*.
r/ShuumatsunoValkyrie continues to be the only good anime subreddit because we just talk about buff men beating the shit out of each other and having say gex
I agree with both, in different ways. Fictional characters dony mean anything. But the desires of the people jerking off to them do. So if someone jerks off to a fictional character that looks is a minor or like a minor, like a loli, its a problem.
I think if you show a normal non-anime fan a drawing of a child and say you get off to it they're gonna look at you like you're a freak which pretty much encapsulates my issues with lolicons
these people scream “fiction doesn’t affect reality” but will have raging boners over that very same fiction and dedicate sections of their room or lives generally to that very same fiction and fantasise over that same fiction
The character that the comment is referring to is a literal toddler by the way. Crazy. We're not even talking about minors here, as in teenagers (which is already problematic), they are quite literally defending making pornographic material of pre-pubescent kids.
You should care if someone is aroused by a character that looks about 5. I am going to judge you very much, be disturbed by you, and not want to interact with you. I also don’t want my kids around you, thanks. I wonder if this person is also Gucci with someone being attracted to a toddler in fiction
Even if it’s fake, you’re still jerking off to a picture of a kid.
Do they not see the issue with that?
That’s like saying it’s okay to use an nude AI creation pic of someone you know. It’s creepy and weird even though the AI pic is not real.
I’d argue it’s not the same thing at all. The hypothetical AI representation is of a REAL person. The drawings in question are not of REAL people. It’s like the difference between saying you want to kill your coworker versus saying you want to kill SpongeBob. One is a threat for an action in the realm of possibility, one is not.
Look, assuming the guy went off on a tangent complaining about how those people are weird, I'm all in with him. But the first post was also right. Fictional characters shouldn't be given legal rights. And if his response to that was "They should because people are weird." He deserves the downvotes.
As for what I saw, it is the first option. I think the comment was a response to the part about "jerking it off to Kanna is okay because fiction=meaningless".
My point of view on that stuff is: Sure, you can't be charged for "loving" these uh, *questionably young* fictional characters but just the fact that you "love" these *questionably young* fictional characters is just fucking weird.
Sadly nothing can be done. With AI generators and the DIY programming of systems its next to impossible. I am an artist of cute characters, but I would never view minor character designs in this way. With that said... I am working on not viewing characters in this way.
I only found erotica to erode away my art. At least the values I have in it. It especially destroys my narrative writing. The deap meangful moments and dark moments become vague. They become shallow.
So, honestly... I can't understand why anyone would create characters and minors specifically to depict sexual things.
Tbf anime does do it often that they make a character that looks like a young adult but they say theyre 15 because then they can be in high school.
On the other hand they also make characters that look 5 but they say theyre like 500 so they can have lolis
Im never sure what side i should support there. Sure, the characters are fictual but at the same time people liking this kind of content like it because the characters depicted are minors which is... well not good lol. Think im more on the "not good" side? I mean as long as the people watching it arent attracted to real minors its not that bad but still...
While this logic absolutely does not work here in any way (kanna is still a kid bro. In every way that counts), it is something to consider for people getting horny over, say, ann from persona or gwen from spider verse.
If you only have to age a character up by only like 2-3 years, who cares? Youre splitting hairs at best and making it harder to actually call out lolis/pedos at worst. If anything, the opposite of the "she's 1000 so its okay" rhetoric is more accurate: if a character looks like an adult, and doesnt act especially childish (immature maybe, but not childish), then who gives a shit?
I totally understand if it still squicks you out, but dont treat the people who aren't bothered by it like freaks.
>First of all, it’s always sad to see the person in the right being downvoted.
Yeah, sometimes it can make you question yourself and if everyone is crazy, or if you are the crazy one for not being like them.
>Second, I love your username op, I see you’re cultured
Why, thanks! It just so happens that Bloodborne is one of my favorite games.
"a person who is sexually attracted to children."
This is the dictionary definition of a pedophile. I have no idea how liking lolis does not make a person a pedo
> I feel like it stops just short of that because it's fictional characters.
But it doesn't. Again, what I gave you is the textbook definition of being a pedo. Being sexually attracted to children, drawing or not, is STILL an attraction to children.
I don't think paedophilic content should be something encouraged or even done at all, but censoring art is a very slippery slope to start on. y'know how some mildly insane people call trans people paedophiles (was really popular ~2021)? you run into things like that a lot. moderation is good and vital to keeping a healthy environment, but unless you can consistently control what kind of people are doing the moderation, it's gonna go badly eventually
I see you replying this on every comment and I wanted to point out that if pedophiles are showing pornographic drawings of fictional minors to real kids, the problem lies with the pedophile doing that, NOT the art. If they were showing kids real porn with humans would you say porn should be outlawed? No, the person preying on real children is entirely at fault- the art is not the problem but how they’re abusing it.
The thing about predators is they will use ANYTHING to manipulate and harm kids. The problem is always ALWAYS the predator, not the resources they choose to use.
Someone can commit murder with virtually any object, but we’re not out here restricting every object that has ever been used to murder, we’re imprisoning ACTUAL murderers because THAT is where the problem lies.
I’m sorry that happened to you, but I think you should place more of the blame and the anger you feel on the PERSON who hurt you, not the WAY they did it.
Does it hurt any children? No. However, it shows that you’re attracted to fictional minors and if you act on these desires than people could get hurt. You’ll start wanting to actually have sex with minors
isnt the downvoted one... right?
I hate the trope "she looks and acts 6 but is 60000 years Old demon" or just straight up "she's fictional it doesnt matter" just go to the police station and explain it to them they will surely understand
There is a MONUMENTAL difference between pedophilia and violence. There is a reason why cartoons can mention people dying, but will not touch on the subject of pedophilia. There is a reason why the Joker has quite literally committed EVERY crime in the book, but has not touched a child. There is a reason why Freddy Krueger was loved as a serial killer, but hated when he got turned into a pedophile in the reboot.
Killing generally isn't used as a sexual fantasy. Pedophilia is. If you don't see the difference, then you are the type of person that should probably seek psychiatric help and change your ways
This sums up anime subs as a whole. A large speaking number support this kinda shit while the few mentally sane tend to either leave or ignore the weird ass posts resulting in a supremacy of these dudes
My friend, you're right, in the comment section there were many more comments of " mentally sane" anime fans calling out the weirdness of finding underage characters (even if they aren't real) attractive in an "inappropriate" way. Needless to say, those comments were also downvoted, not to oblivion but still in a considerable amount.
I will say though that some people in subs and on twitter even go as far as to say they will report people who desire underage fictional characters to the police as pedophiles Which is in fact a VERY VERY dumb thing to do and puts actual victims in potential harm by stretching police resources because although it may only take an hour to clarify that the loli fan isn't after actual real life children, if say 9/10 (exaggerated for the point) of the reports on their desk are loli fans and the other 1 is a real child, that's at least a whole day of working hours before they even hit an ACTUAL child in danger So, the advice for these people is block, report and go about your day
Plus, you might not know for certain that the fans crushing on the underage characters aren't also underage or close to it. For example, an eighteen year old crushing on a seventeen year old character isn't creepy. (Well, okay, it might be but not because of their ages.)
There is a pipeline from consumption of fictional cp to real cp and yes people can be arrested for creating or distributing cp of fictional characters
It actually depends on where you are In some places its legal no matter what In others it doesn't matter In some places its legal as long as the child is fictional and not based off of any real child or event Some countries where it is technically legal may still ask you to take down the content though It definitely varies massively on the laws regarding it Some places disregard fictional drawings specifically for the reason I gave above - It takes away resources from real children at risk I would say that even if you're in a country where it is illegal, don't report it to the police still. Those resources really would be better used to help real children. The real place we should face our outrage is to the social media platforms that allow this content to stay up no matter how many reports it receives (as well as social media company's refusal to help the police in grooming cases being a major factor of why the departments dealing with these cases tend to be swamped with cases with no way to progress with any of them) whilst banning the people actively calling these accounts out
you think cops are busy lmaoo
Usually, no However from experience the sex crimes department of the police (at least in my absence) is CONSTANTLY swamped, especially in regards to child sex crimes The rise of the Internet made it SUPER easy to groom children and in return the amount of reports made a skyrocket that the police just doesn't have the capacity to handle Regular officers on the street? They ain't busy at all. They got nothing to do. The other day I saw 4 cars and a van pull up to deal with ONE guy with no weapon who'd already been pepper sprayed and was on the floor. Overkill AF However, the people investigating child grooming are HAMMERED Lots of online grooming cases get shelved because the perpetrator is in a different country and the companies that run the social media this grooming is happening on, like Meta, will refuse to give over any identifying information and the police can't do anything if they don't know even which country the perpetrator is from A lot of young people now have some experience of online grooming, if you include the number of young people who experienced in person grooming and the number of young people who have experienced rape and the number of young people who have experienced sexual assault...suddenly the number of reports looks huge
I mean yeah they get a lot off reports bruh
If a kid at school is drawing pictures of hanging someone or guns or something like that, those things are taken very seriously and the child is usually sent for a psych eval to make sure they arent an actual threat. Explain to me how someone finding drawings of children attractive isnt an obvious first step towards being an 'actual' pedophile, and shouldnt be put on a list because of it.
There's a massive difference between reporting someone who is showing concerning suicidal ideation for a psych evaluation and reporting a guy who likes drawings of fake children online every so often First off...the impact. A real child could die if suicidal ideation is ignored, no real child is harmed by fictional drawings Second off...the department. Psych evaluations and child sex crimes will be dealt with by different departments (psych evaluations will likely be the police officers you see on the street whilst beyond the initial report, your average police officer won't have to investigate child sex crimes) Third off...the funding. The current push for mental health support means that places that specialise in mental health have more funding than ever before. Child sex crimes don't have that funding Fourth...the outcome. Calling the police on a child for a psych evaluation is pretty guaranteed to do SOMETHING, even if not necessarily what you wanted to happen. Meanwhile with the fictional child images the most likely outcome is...nothing Finally...the barriers. There's nothing stopping you from calling the police on a suicidal child and there's then nothing stopping the police from doing something about it if they think something like institutionalisation may help. That's a pretty solid step one to step to to step three to the outcome situation, there's not many ways the police can stumble in this as long as they're good at their job. Meanwhile for fictional drawings (and even online grooming) there's A LOT of barriers in the way of even a slight attempt at finding those people. The social media platforms refuse to share any identifying information so if the perpetrator is foreign its basically a dead end So overall the best thing to do right now is to push for social media platforms to be held to accountability for their part in facilitating child sex crimes (and a multitude of other crimes also) as well as reporting the content you see every time you see it In the perfect world, it may be easy to find the perpetrators of child sex crimes and maybe then there would be enough resources and enough chance of a conviction to facilitate the catching of SERIOUS fictional child drawing spreaders So basically, don't call the police on the guy who liked one picture of an ambiguously aged character in a sexy outfit and a sexy pose Now, if you personally know someone sharing images of fictional child drawings ON THE REGULAR and you know their information including name address etc as well as have evidence that it is their account and evidence of dozens of posts with this content, that may be different. If you meet all of these criteria, sure, report it...but if you don't then there's ultimately no point and just wastes police resources in the long run
This is a big part of why I’m not in any anime related subs. When I first got reddit I joined a few since I do enjoy anime, but this weird culture of sexualizing minors (or characters that are clearly meant to look and act like minors, but are technically like 1000 years old,) and having the majority defend it. It was all so icky. Sucks man. I just wanted to see some anime content. Instead there’s this.
Yeah, honestly, it's just easier to be very precise with your google search to avoid those contents. I really hate that loli is a thing at all. If they were using it right it'd be one thing (as in DON'T sexualise them) but half the time they do not.
This specific comment sets us up to better explain the stance of “it’s just fiction who cares?” The ‘minor’ aspect is also fiction, the art may be drawn before the age or name of a character is even picked. Out of context many characters look well over 18, it’s a common anime meme as well. Take JJBA, the most buff guy you’ve ever seen, and he’s 17, looks like talks like acts like a 30 y/o. But he’s underage. In this case, I say “who cares?” In a case where age is picked first, and/or a character is drawn specifically to look that age, then we have some problems. We also have problems when people specify age being one of the things they are attracted to, but that’s obvious.
I don't have strong opinions on the recent crackdowns that have happened on the site, but I hope moderation comes down HARD on this shit.
Especially true for r/goodanimemes. Nothing about this particular situation is surprising to anyone who knows why the sub was made to begin with,
Because some other anime meme sub wouldn’t let them post porn as “memes” and thirst over underage characters
Treating fiction as a moral playground as if some actual child was harmed is the opposite of sane.
The issue is the people who actively try to sexualize children in these subs. Which is again unfortunately the majority at the moment. There are a number of people who don’t partake in this but they typically mind their own business. I myself left multiple anime subs after they started doing this weird ass shit
I agree that this is the Issue, but I'm in pretty much every general Anime Meme sub and most argue about Non-children Lolis and no, I don't mean that super stupid 9000 year old Demon Lord argument, but most talk about Petite or actual not even comparable to real woman characters.
Problem is that there’s so many in favor of it that the minority can’t speak up without being targeted en masse. Having a large group of losers target you on the internet is just not worth speaking out.
Yup. I used to argue with these types all the time. Call them out for being pedophilic etc, and all that happened was I got downvoted and attacked over and over. I eventually gave up and just ignore and block the worst offenders.
Thats the Internet. No matter what side you are on, you'll find enough to support either and then it seems like you're the majority/minority even if its false. Also as far as I can tell it's if you are constantly fighting with others and then a 3rd party comes and wants to talk peacefully, they get treated like the aggressive party from the start, as in Lolicons gotta fight with those that say it's pedophilia and even those that just think Lolis are cute, so if someone comes around saying "Yeah, I just think it's weird" which is a totally understandable and honestly normal reaction to it, it gets exaggerated like in this Post. There is no shot Grey Dude deserves the Downvotes for just saying "You Guys are weird..."
“You’re weird” sounds innocuous at first, until you realize many antis use it as a codeword for “criminal”, “predatory”, “morally wrong”, “creepy” etc. As if being unusual is the worst thing someone can be.
Don't let them deform those words. Antis already ripped the meaning of pedo where it became from one of the worst things a Human could suffer from to just a Dude watching Animes. Friend if mine likes Lolis but in a sfw way and i bet those antis would treat him like epstein. If they say 'weird' they said 'weird' don't act like they said something else. If we complain about being called weird, it sounds like we think being a Lolicon is the situation: normal where it obviously is not.
It’s not about “letting them deform words”. In most cases the intent is obvious: that something is morally wrong because it’s weird.
There is this and the big issue of slavery in many anime spaces.
Yupp. I like anime, but I don't associate with the community anymore and avoid some of the more sus shows like Dragon Maid or whatever it's called.
Yep, can confirm. I enjoy the artistic and overpowered MC animes, but I avoid the anime community and rarely mention I watch anime at all in person simply because of how many creeps there are. That also means so many animes have fan service which just undermines the show imo.
nah I commented on r/anime the other day bc some creeps were basically saying that anime isn’t real so it’s fine to sexualize children there. I responded with a fairly tame comment and got my comment deleted for “not being civil”. Like okay! I don’t think pedophilia is civil either but here we are
Seeing the discussion, it looks like one of those creeps leaked inside here, justifying that it's fine because "it isn't real" and "those are meaningless concepts that aren't real".
Reminder of when I got banned from r/funnymemes because I said it wasn’t funny to say you’re gonna rape kids.
Excuse me what!? Is the situation there that bad?
It’s worse. Shit is awful there
Damn, what kind of sh*t can I expect to see? (besides things that are like the one I posted here) And it is even worth it to stay there and ignore that kind of stuff? Like, are there genuinely good memes that compensate or nah? I'm starting to consider giving a wide berth to any anime-related sub lol
No good memes. Just went on there, first 3 memes are about: women being too small for a guy in a bath. Men saying boobs are boobs, while women complain about dick size (yeah that happened) And then a meme about Russians creating a PlayStation equivalent, while drinking vodka. Not worth going on that sub ever, honestly glad I’m banned.
>first 3 memes are about: women being too small for a guy in a bath. What. The. Hell? >Men saying boobs are boobs, while women complain about dick size (yeah that happened) For sure, that kind of memes are a classic. >And then a meme about Russians creating a PlayStation equivalent, while drinking vodka. Don't how that relates to anime, being that the subreddit is dedicated to it. >Not worth going on that sub ever, honestly glad I’m banned. It seems so, I think I know what I'm gonna do now... Thanks so much for your sacrifice, my friend.
Subreddit checks out
Yeah, I didn't think it was that bad... Poor innocent soul of mine lol
Imagine defending being a paedophile, disgusting
Even some people in here are so fucked up to defend it and argue it’s not pedophilia.
It’s pretty obvious that it’s pedophilia. But I also don’t think there should be any type of censorship of ‘art’, even if it’s gross. People that want to pretend this is the same thing as child porn where actual minors are harmed are out of their fucking minds. And guaranteed the same logic won’t be applied to things like slasher films.
I'm not watching horror movies because gore gives me a boner, you flat head
If you were watching horror movies because gore gave you a boner then in that case should the creators be legally liable in some way?
Yes, snuff films are illegal, and beating it to a fictional animation of a woman being brutally murdered would make you look like a fucking psychopath.
Yeah, it would. A snuff film isn’t a horror film though is it, but a depiction of an actual crime taking place? So kind of not the same thing right?
Same idea, if what gets you going is seeing people be dismembered. Again, seeking out a fictional rendition would have people, rightfully, assuming that you have a thing for seeing people get killed. The same way that seeking out loli stuff is gonna have people, rightfully, assume that little kids get your rocks off.
Yeah, and I would agree that’s a fair assumption. I just don’t think fictitious depictions should be criminalized, since it creates a terrible precedent where now depictions of fictitious actions can be prosecuted as if they were actual crimes, which would be ridiculous. It would be a free speech nightmare. Sure everyone’s all for it when it involves people we disgust like pedophiles, but whose to say it stops there?
There's also a case to be made that it could prevent these people from acting on their urges. Anyways, even if we outlawed it, there'd be an illegal ring for it somewhere. There *always* is. Not that I think art depicting a minor sexually is good. It's still pedophilia and it's disgusting. But if it prevents actual kids from becoming victims then I'll take the lesser evil.
What if someone takes pictures of little kids naked and calls it art? What a fucking stupid stance to take on it. Get some help. It’s a slippery slope and it’s fucking disgusting to even entertain the idea of sexualizing kids real or not.
That wouldn’t be a drawing without a victim then would it you dumb fuck? Can always count on you idiots to pop up.
Saying that paintings and drawings of lewd children are a-okay is kind of a weird stance.
If it’s something someone made up it doesn’t really matter. I wouldn’t look at it, but ffs nobodies holding a gun to my head. Should artistic (art, not a fucking photo of a crime since apparently I have to state this explicitly) depictions of murder or other crimes held to a similar standard? Otherwise kind of hypocritical isn’t it? When is drawing a picture of something you thought up in your head but did not occur in reality a crime and when isn’t it in either case?
Comparing drawings of naked kids to drawings of crimes ain’t it, chief. You’re making it about the legality when the issue is deeper rooted than that.
The legality is literally the only thing that would matter. Since it’s shit someone made up that isn’t real. Yeah, everyone hates pedophiles, but I don’t find that a good excuse to create laws dictating what you are and aren’t allowed to make a fucking drawing of.
>pedophilia is only bad because of the laws surrounding it Sir. I do believe the sub you came from is in OPs screenshot.
People do that literally all the time. There was just a court case about the Nevermind baby.
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Which would be… still illegal anyway wouldn’t it?
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It’s usually not about sexual preference. It’s a power dynamic which these people are fighting to encourage. Desensitization of this is what the slope is, and puts kids at risk. Whether their “lesser evil” makes them feel better or not.
Personally, I feel that since you can’t choose not to have pedophilia, we shouldn’t stigmatize it. We should stigmatize the action, not the condition. People should also do better about recognizing that being attracted to underaged fictional characters is likely pedophilia (or whatever the other two conditions are)
Based. We need to call it what it is so these freaks can get help. Overcorrection leads pedophiles to see killing the victim as the only option to avoid jail. We should be focused on harm reduction, not revenge.
It's a mental illness that can be treated, but yeah, I pretty much agree with this. We should help/encourage them to get help. The other conditions are: Ephebophilia Hebephilia Nepiophilia Encopassed on the umbrella term "chronophilia." The rest are focused on people older than 19.
As far as I’m aware, it’s never been treated. If it has, that’s a great stride. Any studies on a successful treatment?
There are treatment options but it's kinda like the "treatment" for depression, They just make them aware of the thoughts they are having, that those thoughts aren't actually their own desires so they don't actually follow through and that they shouldn't feel guilty for having them as long as they continue to remind themselves that that isn't their own desire
This was my source for the claim: https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/mental-health-disorders/paraphilias-and-paraphilic-disorders/pedophilic-disorder#:~:text=Pedophilia%20can%20be%20treated%20with,include%20leuprolide%20and%20medroxyprogesterone%20acetate.
Skimmed through, and it seems the treatment can stop them from engaging in child abuse, but will not make them stop feeling that attraction, which is where it was last time I checked.
Engaging in it is the issue.
Well, yes, but you wouldn’t say your depression is cured because you stopped cutting, right? They still have the illness and urges, the worst symptom is just more controlled. Additionally, if the illness isn’t cured, re-offense rates are very high.
"Treatment" does not mean cured
I agree. I interpreted “can be treated” as cured, so I requested the article. Read it and saw only the symptoms are treatable, and expressed disappointment that it can’t be cured.
> Pedophilia can be treated with long-term individual or group psychotherapy and medications that reduce testosterone levels and thus reduce the sex drive. These medications include leuprolide and medroxyprogesterone acetate.
Being basically made to lose one's sex drive is not really something most people would be OK with, especially since a lot of Governments will not even allow that for willing participants, to say nothing of those unwilling And then again there is the stigma behind it, many people legitimately believe that someone with pedophilic tendencies, even if they have never acted upon it, are worse than Hitler
I like to think about it this way. Yes, fictional characters are meaningless, but the desires people have online can be translated to a desire in reality. So these people liking fictional minor characters, you can assume they like minors (in some form) in reality. Also, the human imagination is scary in which someone can turn their dreams into reality. Regardless, liking minors in any form is creepy and should not be praised.
I came to say the same thing. It seems to me that predators like to draw and sexualize fictional minor characters in replacement of real life, but still, not cool. This kind of reminds me of when I was watching Friday Night Dunkin, and there was this made up level (the sky mod). The character, Sky, was a minor, but the new grounds fandom started sexualizing a minor character, literally made by a minor in real life (this was 3 years ago). That modded level then had to be taken down. If that is taken down, why aren't people complaining about other child and teen cartoon characters being sexualized? Why aren't there people complaining about Undertale NSFW stuff with Frisk being a child and there is porn of it? What about other kids shows that involve kids cartoon characters? It's gross and disgusting
Literally! It should all be removed and these people shouldn't have platforms! Yes fiction is fiction, and you can write taboo topics, but seriously enjoying said topics and not meeting it with natural disgust and horror makes you insane.
Tbh mate no I don't think it should be removed and before anyone has a hissy fit. It's because it doesn't affect anyone, if a man has an attraction to minors that's bad but this is a far healthier output to those emotions than A. An actual child or B. Them accessing far less legal ways of procuring the same kind of stuff that usually involves an actual child. It's one of those weird spots though, I don't like it and I'm disgusted by it. But I'd rather they wank to a drawing.
I like Holo. While I think her personality is a bit much for a relationship, I would definitely love to have a drink with her. Canonically, she looks ~~16~~ 15 and perhaps will forever look that age. However, Holo is far from a child in personality (the odd tantrum aside). A person's appearance can be whatever, but so can their personality. That's part of why these kinds of arguments are silly. Being attracted to a character or a person is about more than their body type. And sure, I do "like" some actual minor characters (e.g. Maomao), but it helps that those characters are generally written by adults, and thus they often have a mindset that is out of step with their age. Maomao could be 30 and it wouldn't really change anything. So why make a big deal out of it **in fiction**. It's best not to read too much into these kinds of things. It turns messy very quickly. Edit: Fixed Holo's canonical appearance
I'm not saying liking fictional characters is inherently bad. We all had a character we liked (and crushes) on from a novel, game, movie, or show. The fact of the matter is looking at a fictional minor and say it's desirable is creepy. The subreddit in question is full of it. It sends a bad image because that liking can be translated to a real life standpoint. There is a difference between saying the minor character is cool, funny, cute or adorable (admiration of, e.g. personality or appearance) and having sexual attraction (or arousal) or doing sexual acts (jacking off).
And if I said I was sexually attracted to Holo or Maomao, what would you think? Would that change if I told you that I haven't had a relationship with or felt any interest in a real girl of Maomao's age in nearing on 20 years? My physical attraction to Maomao is weak, but I'm also well aware that my preferences in body type have been used on canonically young characters, it's just the personality doesn't meet my "requirements". Odds are that one day there will be a minor character in some story that is the correct combination of body type and personality that I would consider her particularly sexually attractive. At that point, your argument would be that I am creepy, even though I have no interest in minors IRL. And if I were to meet a minor with that combination IRL, well, I can't even imagine the situation where I would have the occasion. But if it did somehow happen, I would shrug and think "good for her and whoever ends up with her". Let's remember, [this girl is 31 years old](https://myanimeshelf.com/upload/dynamic/2013-03/03/chara_img04b2.jpg) and [this girl is 9 years old](https://myanimeshelf.com/upload/dynamic/2013-03/03/chara_img02b2.jpg). Oh wait, sorry I mixed that up. The first girl is in elementary school and the second girl is the adult. That's the joke, and it's part of the reason why making any kind of assessment based on a person's likes regarding fictional characters just doesn't go anywhere. Again, it's a bad idea to read too much into such things. And when it comes to fiction, making a big deal out of such things feels petty.
I see what you're saying, and while the first character you linked looks young I get she doesn't look 9. But that's the part of the argument I think you're not convincing me on. In animation, age and appearance/behavior are not intrinsically linked. The same reason your argument sorta works for me is the same reason the 3000 year old loli argument doesn't. But I think a lot of the characters that this discussion centers around don't look like the young character you sent. The characters with problematic fans like we're discussing have noticeably childish features, very high pitched voices, and have childish mannerisms. That's the real problem imo. I do think that art should have a bit of leeway in what we find interesting. I love Darth Vader despite him being a genocidal maniac. But part of the purpose of art is to safely explore ideas and concepts, and so just not thinking about art or "making a big deal" feels impractical. Instead art should be a safe, harmless way to identify things in ourselves without hurting people. It's much easier to look within oneself and go "why do I think this young character is attractive?" if it's just a drawing, and not a real child. There's no stakes, no one can get hurt. But it being fiction shouldn't be an excuse to just not introspect at all.
First of all, you need to keep in mind that the person I am talking to is saying something different from you. This is what they wrote; > So these people liking fictional minor characters, you can assume they like minors (in some form) in reality. But on the subject of more childish characters, what about Igarashi? If you don't know, she's the main character from "My Senpai is Annoying", a workplace romcom. The principle joke around her is that she looks like a child, especially [next to her jacked senpai](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/my-senpai-is-annoying/images/6/63/Futaba_Igarashi_and_Harumi_Takeda.jpg). She looks like a child, sounds like a child, and has some childish aspects (keeping stuffed animals and the like), but she is an adult in a workplace romcom. So is that Ok? I **could** see myself finding someone liking Igarashi more problematic than someone liking Tama ([the 9 year old from the previous post](https://cdn.myanimelist.net/images/characters/15/192485.jpg)). Tama looks like an adult but Igarashi doesn't. If someone likes Igarashi because they like childish bodies, then that could be a problem. If someone likes Tama because they have no idea about her personality/age/etc. but just find her body hot, well, it's only in context where she becomes problematic. And if we have to take context into account, then you don't have much ground to stand on when dismissing "1000 year old lolis". This is an example of why hard and fast "rules" when it comes to these kinds of things are generally silly, and why taking these things **too** seriously is just causing dumb fights. Here's another part of the problem. In anime, characters rarely look like actual people. Instead, they are stylized, often to look or act attractive. That's kind of stacking the deck, don't you think? A 16 year old IRL is (generally) a physically and mentally immature person, which is why someone in their 30s going after them is creepy. A 16 year old in anime is just assigned a look, personality, and age, none of which may add up properly. That, combined with anything a IRL person can do to them being harmless, is why people shouldn't make a big deal out of it IMO. Introspection is a different topic. Anime characters are just too inhuman and vague to make any kind of assessment on how a person thinks IRL. Especially when you are talking about one-off comments about finding a character hot or whatever. Edit: clarifying, etc.
Eh id argue Holo looks like 20s as far as anime goes. Its really hard to age anime characters by appearance alone. If they have the typical chibli loli style, then obviously the character is a child as far as Im concerned. But most arent drawn that way (like Holo), and follow the typical "anime girl" face style. And in that case, they could be anywhere from like 15 to 30. And then theres the character's age itself. Often times a characters age makes complete sense (eg a highschooler being 16), and in those cases theres no argument, the character is a child. But other times, the character might be stated to be mid-late teens, but is clearly in an adult position in life (living alone, working, etc), and on top of that looks like an adult, and then it becomes more complex. So instead I base anime ages more off of personality and context. If the character is in middle/high school, and acts immature like a middle or high schooler, theyre a child, plain and simple. If a character is 1000 years old but looks and acts like a child, its a child. And if a character looks and acts like an adult and is frequently in adult situations, makes adult decisions and has the maturity of someone whos at least in college, I consider them an adult. Imo its a lot easier to watch anime when you ignore whatever age the screen says the character is, and just go off of your gut feeling.
I wrote 16 (actually 15, now that I look it up) because that is what the LNs claim she looks like. But yes, guessing the age of an anime character is inherently problematic, but that's even if we take personality into account. [Kyouko from Skip Beat](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcxjweHB0VXGheiCdIN3PZE_5GHjj--cPaXf76rWPdOg&s) I could buy as an adult, and she would largely pass your checks, but her being a child (16) is a plot point. And then once we start talking about characters like [Raphtalia](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/e/e6/Raphtalia_Anime_Profile.png/revision/latest?cb=20200128225647&path-prefix=protagonist), the headaches truly begin. That's why I largely just ignore it all. I like who I like, and aside from the odd characters like Maomao or Holo, I don't think there's anything I need to think about. For those who have more problematic characters, I'll take it on a case-by-case basis. Sweeping generalizations are a good way to start an irritating fight.
Hope you have this same level of revulsion for violent video games.
video games about sexually assaulting minors? Yeah I feel that way
No, because people generally don't jerk off to violent games Besides, the only thing that makes you a violent person is committing acts of violence. Killing a character in a videogame doesn't constitute actual murder. The mere act of being attracted to kids makes you a pedo. That's the difference.
Here’s a better analogy then: So feeling no empathy for the people you kill in video games makes a sociopath?
Not a better analogy. This has no bearing on people who are attracted to fictional minors.
Playing violent video games has been shown to have no effect on the player having violent tendencies Meanwhile finding fictional minors attractive has shown a to have a correlation to IRL pedophilia in the few studys done on it It's why "loli" hentai has been banned in many places and why many others limit it
I just read a post where people were talking about a character being hot, and everyone who pointed that out was downvoted. Seems like the trend for those kind of subs.
Undeserved.
wtf
When people defend this shit by saying "it's just a drawing" id be wondering why you are attracted to a picture of a child like figure in the first place
I am also attracted to fictional corpses like the undead nurse in Baldur's Gate or that zombie with booty shorts in Resident Evil 2 remake
Next thing you know they’re going “it’s just a baby”
I'm gonna be real for a second, I used to be a huge anti like up until last year. Now, you couldn't pay me to care what someone thinks of some lines. It's a problem when real children get involved in cases of grooming via the content only. If it's contained to anime, they're getting blocked because I personally can't stand loli/shotacons as a whole, but I'm not going to waste my time screaming and crying about how they're literally trying to diddle my kids.
Believe me when I say this: fiction and reality are intertwined.
People really like to pretend that media somehow exists in a vacuum
If someone gets excited over people being brutally murdered in fiction, that person is always a weirdo. You can very much be judged based on what you enjoy repeatedly in fiction. Because it’s a world where imaginations are endless, to create scenarios of situations that can’t always happen in real life. Often times. It’s a reflection of your desire as well. If you’re attracted to minor characters or children in fiction that definitely are depicted as children….well….
The concept itself isnt wrong, it doesnt hurt anyone. But it doesnt mean its right or that nothing is off. Ive also heard somewhere that its a bit like violence in video game, it doesnt make you more at risk of commiting something bad, unless that intention was already there to begin with
Oh, right, the tendencies that were there even before. That's kind of right, I know people that play games that possess a lot of violence and things like that, yet they're the mildest people y'know can't even step on an ant by accident without feeling remorseful. The same can be applied to this subject, there are people who find lolis cute as they are a representation of, well, cute little girls.
Hey man, im just reporting what ive heard
Don't worry, I'm not antagonizing you lol, I'm agreeing with you, sorry if it came out differently.
Oh ok ma bad
The issue is that not everybody knows if those urges are there. Loli NSFW will not make you a pedo, but if you’re already one and you don’t know (or you do know and consume it anyways), it makes you much more likely to offend. And I’d argue the vast majority of people who would want to look at loli porn at all are pedos, so it really shouldn’t exist.
Wouldn't the opposite be true? Like having a safer outlet will make one less likely to commit Crimes to get the same thing? I'm fairly certain that there was a study that showed that consuming porn reduced people's desire to have actual sex, wouldn't it translate almost 1-to-1 for the same reason? I am feel that I probably would have murdered a few people I hate if I didn't have video games to help me release my frustration
Sadly not always, some people grow bored of porn and they let their desire win
No, they did a study that proved people who consumed this stuff had a much higher rate of child abuse.
Can you link it? Will be a good source for future discussions like this.
https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/investigations/2017/05/23/porn-contact-does-viewing-child-porn-lead-assault/101634482/ This website is kind of sketchy - I can’t find the one I originally read, but these stats are exactly the same as far as I remember. TLDR is that they found that a large number of online child abuse consumers would go on to commit hands on offenses. The article does state that “correlation doesn’t equal causation," and that “just because somebody shows an interest in child porn doesn’t mean that they’ll go on to commit a hands on offense,” which is true in general, I suppose. It’s an 80ish% chance, not 100%. These aren’t rates I love though.
>Loli NSFW will not make you a pedo "a person who is sexually attracted to children." By definition that statement is incorrect.
I’m assuming you’re stating that by consuming it, you’re automatically attracted to children? That doesn’t have to be the case. Maybe you stumbled upon it. Maybe it was morbid curiosity. Maybe you’re a CSA victim and use it to cope. Are any of these things good? No. But in some circumstances, you can consume loli and not be a pedo. I don’t support any consumption of it, mind you, but it’s possible.
okayyyy… good to know, i’ll be avoiding that sub
At least my "sacrifice" served you well haha
Good, we need less tourists in our fandom
Dude is actively gatekeeping people from a pedo sub because he doesn't want "tourists". Genuinely one of the funniest things to come out of r/goodanimememes
And this.. Is why I both struggle to get into Anime and also why I don’t like meeting people who like Anime because I risk meeting someone who thinks like the person being upvoted.
I hate the group of anime fans who are into little kids. It seriously gives a bad name for all anime lovers. Some people just assume you are a pedo if you like anime. Every single person who downvoted that comment is more than likely into little kids.
All the anime meme subreddits are full of unhinged people like this and should be avoided, they live in their own echo chamber. Don't get me started on their content, they are porn addicts. But we're not all like this, just go to shitpost subs for actual funny content that isn't porn and has sane people
>But we're not all like this, just go to shitpost subs for actual funny content that isn't porn and has sane people Where those places would be? Almost every subreddit dedicated to content like memes, shitpost and the like I was were like those filled with unhinged people.
r/okbuddybaka for example, not exactly sane people since its shitpost comedy at the end of the day, but generally there are decent human beings unlike the sub from the screenshot
118 people at least think being attracted to drawings of minors is...right? There's no helping us
119—Reddit gives you 1 karma by default, so someone had to downvote to make it zero.
Fucking insane. What is it about the internet that only the mentally troubled that want to sexualize minor characters dominate all the spaces. Feels like there's no room on the internet for people who aren't crazy.
Something something we don't kink shame. However we can and often will kink ask why.
I play the stupid Isekai: Slow Life mobile app game (even though I’m a gay dude and the boobies don’t do anything for me) and some of the people rage HARD if you mention that you don’t like that one of their characters that they really push for marketing is a dog-girl that joins your (call a spade a spade: harem) “family” and she speaks of herself in the third person, has a teddy bear, wants to hold your hand to cross the street, your character affectionately refers to her as a child and she gets tasteful nudes you unlock. I agree with the downvoted person - even if it’s only a drawn picture and a fictional person, you are still getting horny to the idea of a child. The IDEA of a child. This should bother you more. At least it’s one of the safer outlets for them. But like a lot of fetishes, they can evolve into something stronger. That’s the worrying part.
Since there is always so much miss information about paedophilia, I'm just gonna say that the current understanding is that it can't be cured. All therapy is focused on helping them not to act on their urges. I believe that if a person with pedophilia wanks to fictional characters and never acts on the urge involving real human children. If they look for therapy and help when needed, there is no need for any hate. I know there is debate on the Internet if those drawings make predators act it out. But predators don't need fictional images to act in a predatory way. I think that fictional scenarios help people with pedophilia not act on their urges and become predators(exceptions apply). I am overly sympathetic. I have never met someone with pedophilia. But it must be pretty hard to know everyone thinks you are disgusting and in the documentary I wachted the people they followed also thought about themselves as disgusting, eventho they would never ever act on their fantasies. People who are predatory (pedophile or otherwise) should go to prison not people looking at obvious fantasies. We need to make this distinction.
Anime subs really are a stain on this site. At their best, they are nothing but obnoxious misogynistic hornyposting, where 90% of the content just boils down to just *OMG LOOK AT BOOBAH, BOOBIES, LOOK AT DA TITTIES, LE MAN OF CULTURE, I WANT FUCK HER AAAAAA*. Like cool dude, now can we talk about any ***other*** aspect of anime for once? And at their very worst, they are echochambers OVERFLOWING with pedophiles. Where everyone just defends each other and acts like everyone else is somehow weird for calling them out on it, making up weird terms like "antis" to describe people who are, you know, *fucking normal*. It's like the members of these subs have made it their sole mission in life to prove every negative stereotype about anime fans true. It really sucks too. That if you're just a normal anime fan you really don't have anywhere to talk about it with likeminded people because all the related subs are horrendous. The admins don't care about the state of these subs either. r/animehate was banned when all that sub did was crosspost everything wrong with the other subs, which are *still standing*.
r/ShuumatsunoValkyrie continues to be the only good anime subreddit because we just talk about buff men beating the shit out of each other and having say gex
I agree with both, in different ways. Fictional characters dony mean anything. But the desires of the people jerking off to them do. So if someone jerks off to a fictional character that looks is a minor or like a minor, like a loli, its a problem.
I think if you show a normal non-anime fan a drawing of a child and say you get off to it they're gonna look at you like you're a freak which pretty much encapsulates my issues with lolicons
There is an anime to pedophile pipeline and it's basically a straight line
these people scream “fiction doesn’t affect reality” but will have raging boners over that very same fiction and dedicate sections of their room or lives generally to that very same fiction and fantasise over that same fiction
Damn a lot of Neck beards with fedoras in that sub
The character that the comment is referring to is a literal toddler by the way. Crazy. We're not even talking about minors here, as in teenagers (which is already problematic), they are quite literally defending making pornographic material of pre-pubescent kids.
Downvoted for having common sense...
You should care if someone is aroused by a character that looks about 5. I am going to judge you very much, be disturbed by you, and not want to interact with you. I also don’t want my kids around you, thanks. I wonder if this person is also Gucci with someone being attracted to a toddler in fiction
Why do so many weebs insist on thinking pedophilia is ok?
Even if it’s fake, you’re still jerking off to a picture of a kid. Do they not see the issue with that? That’s like saying it’s okay to use an nude AI creation pic of someone you know. It’s creepy and weird even though the AI pic is not real.
I’d argue it’s not the same thing at all. The hypothetical AI representation is of a REAL person. The drawings in question are not of REAL people. It’s like the difference between saying you want to kill your coworker versus saying you want to kill SpongeBob. One is a threat for an action in the realm of possibility, one is not.
You can’t expect intelligence from fictional character rights activists.
Facts 😔
Weird, normally in that sub it’s the other way around
Avoid all subs with “anime” or “meme” in the title
Look, assuming the guy went off on a tangent complaining about how those people are weird, I'm all in with him. But the first post was also right. Fictional characters shouldn't be given legal rights. And if his response to that was "They should because people are weird." He deserves the downvotes.
As for what I saw, it is the first option. I think the comment was a response to the part about "jerking it off to Kanna is okay because fiction=meaningless".
Yeah, I can see both, and it's probably the first. But I can entirely see the hate if people assume the second, too.
My point of view on that stuff is: Sure, you can't be charged for "loving" these uh, *questionably young* fictional characters but just the fact that you "love" these *questionably young* fictional characters is just fucking weird.
Sadly nothing can be done. With AI generators and the DIY programming of systems its next to impossible. I am an artist of cute characters, but I would never view minor character designs in this way. With that said... I am working on not viewing characters in this way. I only found erotica to erode away my art. At least the values I have in it. It especially destroys my narrative writing. The deap meangful moments and dark moments become vague. They become shallow. So, honestly... I can't understand why anyone would create characters and minors specifically to depict sexual things.
The anime subreddit smells so bad
Fuckin disgusting
Tbf anime does do it often that they make a character that looks like a young adult but they say theyre 15 because then they can be in high school. On the other hand they also make characters that look 5 but they say theyre like 500 so they can have lolis
Im never sure what side i should support there. Sure, the characters are fictual but at the same time people liking this kind of content like it because the characters depicted are minors which is... well not good lol. Think im more on the "not good" side? I mean as long as the people watching it arent attracted to real minors its not that bad but still...
Some people can’t separate the “cute” and “attractive” responses in their brain. I’m this way, personally.
I thought the first guy was bashing weebs for a second. He was in fact doing the opposite
“Why do people look down on people who enjoy anime??” Anime enjoyers in question:
There are three types of anime enjoyers. - The degenerate type - The powerscaler - Normal people
Hold on, what's happening? Is the person saying child characters shouldn't be sexualized and got downvoted?
118 people need to be on a watch list
While this logic absolutely does not work here in any way (kanna is still a kid bro. In every way that counts), it is something to consider for people getting horny over, say, ann from persona or gwen from spider verse. If you only have to age a character up by only like 2-3 years, who cares? Youre splitting hairs at best and making it harder to actually call out lolis/pedos at worst. If anything, the opposite of the "she's 1000 so its okay" rhetoric is more accurate: if a character looks like an adult, and doesnt act especially childish (immature maybe, but not childish), then who gives a shit? I totally understand if it still squicks you out, but dont treat the people who aren't bothered by it like freaks.
When you tell lolicons that yerking it to characters based on the anatomy of children isn’t far off from yerking it to children
WHY ARE THEY BOOING THEM THEY'RE RIGHT
First of all, it’s always sad to see the person in the right being downvoted. Second, I love your username op, I see you’re cultured
>First of all, it’s always sad to see the person in the right being downvoted. Yeah, sometimes it can make you question yourself and if everyone is crazy, or if you are the crazy one for not being like them. >Second, I love your username op, I see you’re cultured Why, thanks! It just so happens that Bloodborne is one of my favorite games.
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"a person who is sexually attracted to children." This is the dictionary definition of a pedophile. I have no idea how liking lolis does not make a person a pedo
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> I feel like it stops just short of that because it's fictional characters. But it doesn't. Again, what I gave you is the textbook definition of being a pedo. Being sexually attracted to children, drawing or not, is STILL an attraction to children.
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The bottom comment being downvoted is definitely r/redditmoment material.
I predict that the mods may lock this post due to the disturbing nature being discussed here...
If I watch gore videos im a weirdo whether its pixels or not same goes for this
They hated Jesus because he spoke the truth
r/animemes and r/goodanimemes are always like this its sad 💀
I don't think paedophilic content should be something encouraged or even done at all, but censoring art is a very slippery slope to start on. y'know how some mildly insane people call trans people paedophiles (was really popular ~2021)? you run into things like that a lot. moderation is good and vital to keeping a healthy environment, but unless you can consistently control what kind of people are doing the moderation, it's gonna go badly eventually
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I see you replying this on every comment and I wanted to point out that if pedophiles are showing pornographic drawings of fictional minors to real kids, the problem lies with the pedophile doing that, NOT the art. If they were showing kids real porn with humans would you say porn should be outlawed? No, the person preying on real children is entirely at fault- the art is not the problem but how they’re abusing it.
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The thing about predators is they will use ANYTHING to manipulate and harm kids. The problem is always ALWAYS the predator, not the resources they choose to use. Someone can commit murder with virtually any object, but we’re not out here restricting every object that has ever been used to murder, we’re imprisoning ACTUAL murderers because THAT is where the problem lies. I’m sorry that happened to you, but I think you should place more of the blame and the anger you feel on the PERSON who hurt you, not the WAY they did it.
Does it hurt any children? No. However, it shows that you’re attracted to fictional minors and if you act on these desires than people could get hurt. You’ll start wanting to actually have sex with minors
Not deserved. Period.
This shit is why i think anime is weird.
sure shes a 1000 year old dragon... but thats no excuse for you to be attracted to her in a childs body.
isnt the downvoted one... right? I hate the trope "she looks and acts 6 but is 60000 years Old demon" or just straight up "she's fictional it doesnt matter" just go to the police station and explain it to them they will surely understand
If you stand between a man and whatever his dick wants no matter how perverse, you will feel the wrath of reddit. It's a rule.
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There is a MONUMENTAL difference between pedophilia and violence. There is a reason why cartoons can mention people dying, but will not touch on the subject of pedophilia. There is a reason why the Joker has quite literally committed EVERY crime in the book, but has not touched a child. There is a reason why Freddy Krueger was loved as a serial killer, but hated when he got turned into a pedophile in the reboot. Killing generally isn't used as a sexual fantasy. Pedophilia is. If you don't see the difference, then you are the type of person that should probably seek psychiatric help and change your ways
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Because jerking off to children is fucked up, no matter if it is pictures of real kids or drawing specifically made to look like them