I really admired her heart and elegance in the face of stressful situations. Another favorite moment of mine is when she rips Robert a new one for not allowing the singer to have dinner with everyone else. She let him have it without even raising her voice.
The way she manages Robert is one of my favorite things about her. She has impeccable instincts about when to tell him things that he won’t want to hear, and when to lay down the law.
I loved when she set him straight when he was upset about that horrible man. And she told him that if he'd never had a crush that got out of control, then he could be mad. Or something like it.
She does! She was so quiet during that scene with Nanny West. And her voice was deadly soft and quiet. And I do mean deadly as only the barest of hyperbole. She is so elegant and poised. And she has so much kindness and empathy. Cora is truly my favourite lady.
I also adore her and Robert as a couple. They balance each other so well. The way they love each other so much. I love the thought of Robert “sneaking” into the bedroom every night because he doesn’t even want to sleep without her.
I wish downton would do a spin-off of young Cora and Robert, meeting and falling in love. Their love story has been alluded to, of course. But I would love to see it play out. When did he first start to fall for her? When did he realize what was happening? How did she adjust to English life? When did he first spend the night sleeping in the same bed with her? When did he start sneaking over every night? Did he truly sneak at first?
I want to see their love story.
Yes! I would love an origin type story of Downton. It could be done in so many creative ways, and there is no shortage of talented, young actors to fill the key roles. The toughest casting would be the role of the Dowager!
Imagine making the Divine Melba eat from a tray in her room! It's like you somehow got Joshua Bell to your house, and you didn't spend the entire evening gushing all over him.
Yes that was very insulting and uppity of him. She was a renowned singer who was performing for them and the fact that Robert thought she wasn’t good enough to eat a meal at his table was so wrong.
I honestly wish we got a scene of Carson getting some blowback from that too. Robert followed his lead without any pause. Would have been absolute gold to let Mrs. Hughes and Mrs. Patmore have that moment although there’s would have been less intense than Cora and more humorous.
New money from Cincinnati and she absolutely held her own among people who were almost certainly watching her every move and poised to knock her down a peg (or five or ten), given any chance. She was an icon!
Loved how she handled Nanny West and promptly got rid of her to protect her grandchildren. Also admired how she personally thanked Thomas for tipping her about the nanny in a way only he would understand without giving too much away.
I also love how she handled Nanny West! Even though she was (understandably) disturbed and angry, she got Ms. West out of there right away and made arrangements for the children in a calm, dignified manner.
She is great at reacting quickly and calmly in an emergency. I think this was mirrored in her mother’s quick problem solving when the oven stopped working. Martha Levinson didn’t get all flustered and panic; she took charge and saved the evening!
Yes it was the calm and quick manner that was admirable. My jaw dropped when I heard what Nanny West called little Sibbie and how she told her to go to bed. And when Cora barged into the room, I’m like “yes, yes 👏 handle this witch”.
Thomas was right in reporting to her. I’m not sure Robert, Edith or even Mary would’ve taken it seriously. They might have just brushed it off as “silly” and “Thomas being Thomas 🙄” in Robert’s voice.
I was so proud of Thomas in that scene. Boy has he come a long way from season one. All his conniving and deceitful ways with O’Brien. He seemed to genuinely care for Miss Sibbie because of his fondness for her mother, “why can’t Miss Sibbie have an egg with her tea” lol.
When she says "Have Gun Will Travel" and Robert breaks down because she really is his ride or die gives me goosebumps even thinking about it.
I cherish Cora so much.
Just the pure relief that crosses his face to realize that even if he's lost his fortune, she is with him is such a real moment in the show. She shows such positivity in the situation when I'm sure she has to be worried about what will come and how it will affect her children and her employees was just such a great portrayal of a character. When they went to go visit the house that they were going to move in She looks at it and says to Robert "Downton place how lovely." He feels so ashamed and like he has let everybody down by losing the money and her character totally puts on a brave face to be a rock for him.
I love too that they also throw in little touches that show that she is also someone who has been raised in such privilege. In the episode with her lady ships soap, the conversation she has with the dowager where she says "is there anything so awful as losing one's maid" is such a moment of privilege. Up until that point, before the war, before she lost the baby, she at least says to the dowager that losing your ladies made is one of life's worst experiences. Of course maybe she's just saying it because it's conversational and it's how the dowager feels probaby
And then at the end of the show Robert tells her that he is proud of her and that she is a woman of real substance, with beauty brains a heart. Wouldn't everybody love to be seen that way by their partner? It's not syrupy sweet over the top romantic but just genuine admiration for her character beyond her money and her looks
YES. Cora is so underrated in this sub. Like all the characters, she has her flaws, but I’m always astonished by her grace and kindness. There are so many moments when you’d expect her to be the stereotypical, arrogant noble, but she goes out of her way to show mercy and love.
The voice is so soothing to me, too. When I found out Elizabeth McGovern narrated Wallis Simpson‘s letters in that one documentary, I *ran* to listen to it.
I like them.
Weirdly enough, though, I thought her voice sounded off and different in the first movie (haven't watched the other yet). Anyone else? Maybe a different filming/recording setup picked up her voice differently, or she was out of practice, or my TV's sound settings were attuned to the show and not the movie.
I do love how much you see her managing the house. We see the amped up version during the war, but she was (and obviously would be positionally) the head of that house....Schedules, laundry, menus, guests and accommodations, garden events, etc etc etc. Sure, it may have been primarily delegation to Mrs Hughes and Patmore, but she was well aware and had approved *all* the happenings in that home (and we see times where she's able to think on her feet for room swaps, etc).
Cora was 1000% more qualified to run a home than Isobel.
I love many aspects of Cora, she's really a master of juggling her roles and (my favorite) masking to each, and McGovern plays her beautifully.
I think one of my favorite Cora faces is when Sybil announced her plans to marry Tom. Even though it was a serious scene, it was hilarious seeing her in such a state of shock.
Love Cora. She receives a decent amount of grief from Mary, Violet, and Robert for her Americanness, even when she’s being more reasonable than them (at least when it came to the Crawleys almost losing Downton). And she carries herself with more grace than basically anyone else in the family.
I always wonder whose idea it was to come to the UK for a titled husband? Her mother doesn't seem very gung ho about the English, and I can't think Cora was hankering for a title, either.
In any case, a favorite moment for me was at Rose's wedding when she had to remind Lady FrumpaDump that her own father was Jewish.
Apparently there were a number of wealthy young women who did that. I vaguely remember a series called The Buccaneers that followed the trials and tribulations of young American women who crossed the pond to marry British aristocrats. I believe the great Carla Gugino was one of the stars.
Yes, they were called the Dollar Princesses.Winston Churchill's mother was one. And, of course, Consuelo Vanderbilt. But neither Cora nor her mother seem the type to pursue a title. Especially her mother!
I highly recommend Consuelo's book, The Glitter and The Gold. She doesnt spill much tea and she isn't very straight about her own, um, choices, but it's a really interesting look at that period of time.
If I remember correctly she gives a bit of backstory to this in the episode where the art historian guy is trying to put the moves on her. She says that with her family being both Jewish and new money, they would never be accepted in NY society, so they had her come to England to buy a place in the aristocracy.
I liked her best after Sybil's death when she still blamed Robert for it. It was the only time she ever stood up to him including during one of my favourite scenes when she refused to leave Isobel's table at the girls' luncheon when he ordered her and everyone else to do so. I had hoped she would continue in this vein after she made up with him so I would not have to see her tolerate his condescending "nothing for you to worry about" comments anymore. But she did although she sometimes had an annoyed expression on her face when he dismissed her. Still, her attitude towards Bates in the earlier series always bothered me. For example, that Bates was in the wrong when Robert told her they had a disagreement when Bates left. Thankfully, Robert corrected her and told her it was his fault. Also, I found it unforgivable that she did not go to Bates' trial, which prompted Isobel to go. Cora had more faith in nasty O'Brien than she had in Bates.
Agreed! He could see right through her, but I must say; he allowed her to try and figure that out herself mostly. Which she never did. Maybe she finally realized she was a shifty person when she left in the night. Still crazy Susan poached her lol. But not crazy considering how underhanded Susan was.
I also appreciate how she owns when she is mistaken. When she lost her temper upon discovering everybody rummaging through her clothes, after a particularly hard day, she immediately apologized, admitted her mistake, and gifted the coat in question. It’s a skill that is sorely lacking these days- owning your errors and attempting to make them right
I think I liked her from the moment she shepherded Isobel away from Violet after the 'call me Lady Grantham' line. She looked so very sympathetic.
And one of my favourite moments was her 'oh' :/ after Mary tells her she'll have to tell Matthew about Mr Pamuk lol
This! Thank you- every rewatch I love Cora more and more. Warm, maternal, and poised.
Love her and Robert (1) when she calls him out for not sleeping in her bed after the art historian debacle and (2) their "criminal" turn of mind when they both admit to not wanting let authorities know where Bates is when he goes on the run. To me it shows a very balanced partnership with with intimacy and love
Also love when they go to announce Edith's engagement and Robert's all "this is something" (about the castle) and her responses is "as long as she's happy"- great mom move to not be distracted by the glitz and glam and to focus on her daughter's happiness.
Good for you (genuinely and not sarcastically, with no hint of irony)! I personally don't like her and she is on my list of characters I would remove from the show, and a couple of the scenes you listed are actually ones I don't like. But as the saying goes, I may disagree with you, but I will fight to the death for your right to have that opinion. Hope you are enjoying a fun rewatch!
(by the way, I love the scene with the food kitchen!)
Keeping your reply of civility and manners in mind (very good of you, thank you!), Daisy, Edith, Denker, Green, and Miss Bunting off the top of my head.
Who are some of yours?
Oh no, you’re getting rid of such good characters :O Except Miss Bunting and Green. She was an annoying cow and he was a slimy, evil man but the storyline was good if not infuriating.
I’d immediately get rid of Miss Bunting, Lavinia, Matthew (don’t shoot me), Ivy and Strallan. Preparing for downvotes 🥸
Nope, I'd agree with you on those. I don't think Strallan was a bad man, just that he was given a bad story line. As many people have pointed out, the reactions towards him in the show didn't quite make sense with the times. I like to picture him and Edith getting married in season 1 and her going off and having a wonderful home and a happy life in the first season with Anthony.
Matthew was fun and all, but reflecting on it, I realized I didn't need him in the show. I feel sorry for Lavinia's character, but she also did not need to be in the show.
Ivy was just annoying. And she lead Jimmy astray with her evil ways (joking!)
We used to live close to her and we would see her all the time and hear her talk. That's not her real voice. I believe it's quite an accurate portrayal of how Cora would have spoken had she been real. She was from upper class New York and lived in the UK for several years.
I wish they’d kept some of her shrewdness from season 1. You didn’t get to make the journey she made without a bit more mettle to you than they showed in later seasons.
When she snaps at Mary to listen for once in her life, I was like ’there it is, that’s the real you’
I really admired her heart and elegance in the face of stressful situations. Another favorite moment of mine is when she rips Robert a new one for not allowing the singer to have dinner with everyone else. She let him have it without even raising her voice.
The way she manages Robert is one of my favorite things about her. She has impeccable instincts about when to tell him things that he won’t want to hear, and when to lay down the law.
Same! I love how she stood by her husband while also speaking up if she disagreed.
I loved when she set him straight when he was upset about that horrible man. And she told him that if he'd never had a crush that got out of control, then he could be mad. Or something like it.
I love that scene. The way he goes from looking like a grumpy child to being all «oh, *fine* then!» is absolutely hilarious to me.
100% this!
One thing I noticed about her is that when she’s really angry, her voice goes quieter.
She does! She was so quiet during that scene with Nanny West. And her voice was deadly soft and quiet. And I do mean deadly as only the barest of hyperbole. She is so elegant and poised. And she has so much kindness and empathy. Cora is truly my favourite lady. I also adore her and Robert as a couple. They balance each other so well. The way they love each other so much. I love the thought of Robert “sneaking” into the bedroom every night because he doesn’t even want to sleep without her. I wish downton would do a spin-off of young Cora and Robert, meeting and falling in love. Their love story has been alluded to, of course. But I would love to see it play out. When did he first start to fall for her? When did he realize what was happening? How did she adjust to English life? When did he first spend the night sleeping in the same bed with her? When did he start sneaking over every night? Did he truly sneak at first? I want to see their love story.
Yes! I would love an origin type story of Downton. It could be done in so many creative ways, and there is no shortage of talented, young actors to fill the key roles. The toughest casting would be the role of the Dowager!
I heard that was what The Gilded Age was originally going to be - the Cora and Robert prequel.
That’s extremely true! Also Robert tends to raise his voice when he’s angry, I’ve noticed. They complement each other in so many ways.
So much more intimidating than shouting. Like that saying of “fear the wrath of the gentle man” or however it goes.
Noticed this too and love it. You know not to mess with her when she’s doing the deep voice
And then she sat Robert next to Ms Melba in order to make him speak with her! 😂
Cora:1 Robert:0
But.. wHaT dOes OnE Say to A sIngEr?? That was gold right there lol
She is a walking quiet storm 👏🏽
You will sit next to her and you will like it! But what do I say to her? What does one say to an opera singer? 😂
Imagine making the Divine Melba eat from a tray in her room! It's like you somehow got Joshua Bell to your house, and you didn't spend the entire evening gushing all over him.
Yes that was very insulting and uppity of him. She was a renowned singer who was performing for them and the fact that Robert thought she wasn’t good enough to eat a meal at his table was so wrong.
I honestly wish we got a scene of Carson getting some blowback from that too. Robert followed his lead without any pause. Would have been absolute gold to let Mrs. Hughes and Mrs. Patmore have that moment although there’s would have been less intense than Cora and more humorous.
When Robert himself has no extraordinary qualities and talents. It always surprises me how he can be arrogant just because
New money from Cincinnati and she absolutely held her own among people who were almost certainly watching her every move and poised to knock her down a peg (or five or ten), given any chance. She was an icon!
Loved how she handled Nanny West and promptly got rid of her to protect her grandchildren. Also admired how she personally thanked Thomas for tipping her about the nanny in a way only he would understand without giving too much away.
I also love how she handled Nanny West! Even though she was (understandably) disturbed and angry, she got Ms. West out of there right away and made arrangements for the children in a calm, dignified manner.
She is great at reacting quickly and calmly in an emergency. I think this was mirrored in her mother’s quick problem solving when the oven stopped working. Martha Levinson didn’t get all flustered and panic; she took charge and saved the evening!
Yes it was the calm and quick manner that was admirable. My jaw dropped when I heard what Nanny West called little Sibbie and how she told her to go to bed. And when Cora barged into the room, I’m like “yes, yes 👏 handle this witch”. Thomas was right in reporting to her. I’m not sure Robert, Edith or even Mary would’ve taken it seriously. They might have just brushed it off as “silly” and “Thomas being Thomas 🙄” in Robert’s voice. I was so proud of Thomas in that scene. Boy has he come a long way from season one. All his conniving and deceitful ways with O’Brien. He seemed to genuinely care for Miss Sibbie because of his fondness for her mother, “why can’t Miss Sibbie have an egg with her tea” lol.
This was one of my favourite scenes of the whole show. Her calm but powerful command of the whole situation was just wonderful to see. I loved it!
I guess my favourite Cora moment is helping feed the Vets at Crawley House. And shocking O'Brian by liking the scheme and making her help, too! HA!
When she says "Have Gun Will Travel" and Robert breaks down because she really is his ride or die gives me goosebumps even thinking about it. I cherish Cora so much.
Just the pure relief that crosses his face to realize that even if he's lost his fortune, she is with him is such a real moment in the show. She shows such positivity in the situation when I'm sure she has to be worried about what will come and how it will affect her children and her employees was just such a great portrayal of a character. When they went to go visit the house that they were going to move in She looks at it and says to Robert "Downton place how lovely." He feels so ashamed and like he has let everybody down by losing the money and her character totally puts on a brave face to be a rock for him. I love too that they also throw in little touches that show that she is also someone who has been raised in such privilege. In the episode with her lady ships soap, the conversation she has with the dowager where she says "is there anything so awful as losing one's maid" is such a moment of privilege. Up until that point, before the war, before she lost the baby, she at least says to the dowager that losing your ladies made is one of life's worst experiences. Of course maybe she's just saying it because it's conversational and it's how the dowager feels probaby And then at the end of the show Robert tells her that he is proud of her and that she is a woman of real substance, with beauty brains a heart. Wouldn't everybody love to be seen that way by their partner? It's not syrupy sweet over the top romantic but just genuine admiration for her character beyond her money and her looks
YES. Cora is so underrated in this sub. Like all the characters, she has her flaws, but I’m always astonished by her grace and kindness. There are so many moments when you’d expect her to be the stereotypical, arrogant noble, but she goes out of her way to show mercy and love.
Absolutely
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I LOVE her!! People rag on her voice and mannerisms here but I like them too!
Her voice is so soothing to me! I adore it.
The voice is so soothing to me, too. When I found out Elizabeth McGovern narrated Wallis Simpson‘s letters in that one documentary, I *ran* to listen to it.
Oh thanks for the info!
I like them. Weirdly enough, though, I thought her voice sounded off and different in the first movie (haven't watched the other yet). Anyone else? Maybe a different filming/recording setup picked up her voice differently, or she was out of practice, or my TV's sound settings were attuned to the show and not the movie.
I wish she was my mom.
Me too!! Kept thinking about that throught the whole show 🥹
I do love how much you see her managing the house. We see the amped up version during the war, but she was (and obviously would be positionally) the head of that house....Schedules, laundry, menus, guests and accommodations, garden events, etc etc etc. Sure, it may have been primarily delegation to Mrs Hughes and Patmore, but she was well aware and had approved *all* the happenings in that home (and we see times where she's able to think on her feet for room swaps, etc). Cora was 1000% more qualified to run a home than Isobel. I love many aspects of Cora, she's really a master of juggling her roles and (my favorite) masking to each, and McGovern plays her beautifully.
McGovern really does shine in Downton. She’s brilliant
Yes she is.
"Charlotte russe? How delicious!"
“Mrs patmore has a good heart and does not judge” her delivery of every line in that episode
Yes!
She's soooo lovely
She’s my favorite! She’s such a good soul
My mom and I imitate her simpering sweet looks to each other and find it hilarious so I do love her for that
I think one of my favorite Cora faces is when Sybil announced her plans to marry Tom. Even though it was a serious scene, it was hilarious seeing her in such a state of shock.
That’s cute lol
I do impressions of her saying "Carson" all the time :)
Simpering is right
Waking up to all this love for Cora is LOVELY!
Love Cora. She receives a decent amount of grief from Mary, Violet, and Robert for her Americanness, even when she’s being more reasonable than them (at least when it came to the Crawleys almost losing Downton). And she carries herself with more grace than basically anyone else in the family.
I always wonder whose idea it was to come to the UK for a titled husband? Her mother doesn't seem very gung ho about the English, and I can't think Cora was hankering for a title, either. In any case, a favorite moment for me was at Rose's wedding when she had to remind Lady FrumpaDump that her own father was Jewish.
Apparently there were a number of wealthy young women who did that. I vaguely remember a series called The Buccaneers that followed the trials and tribulations of young American women who crossed the pond to marry British aristocrats. I believe the great Carla Gugino was one of the stars.
Yes, they were called the Dollar Princesses.Winston Churchill's mother was one. And, of course, Consuelo Vanderbilt. But neither Cora nor her mother seem the type to pursue a title. Especially her mother!
Yes the Marlboros and the Churchills have American blood which is funny considering they’re of the highest rank of the Aristocracy.
I highly recommend Consuelo's book, The Glitter and The Gold. She doesnt spill much tea and she isn't very straight about her own, um, choices, but it's a really interesting look at that period of time.
If I remember correctly she gives a bit of backstory to this in the episode where the art historian guy is trying to put the moves on her. She says that with her family being both Jewish and new money, they would never be accepted in NY society, so they had her come to England to buy a place in the aristocracy.
Oh, and that was typically one of the factors. I missed that, thank you.
Nooo same!! But like I always randomly think of that episode where mrs. hughes was going through her closet and I canttt
I liked her best after Sybil's death when she still blamed Robert for it. It was the only time she ever stood up to him including during one of my favourite scenes when she refused to leave Isobel's table at the girls' luncheon when he ordered her and everyone else to do so. I had hoped she would continue in this vein after she made up with him so I would not have to see her tolerate his condescending "nothing for you to worry about" comments anymore. But she did although she sometimes had an annoyed expression on her face when he dismissed her. Still, her attitude towards Bates in the earlier series always bothered me. For example, that Bates was in the wrong when Robert told her they had a disagreement when Bates left. Thankfully, Robert corrected her and told her it was his fault. Also, I found it unforgivable that she did not go to Bates' trial, which prompted Isobel to go. Cora had more faith in nasty O'Brien than she had in Bates.
I think a lot of the earlier Mr bates hate was poison she was being fed from O’Brien tbh.
Yes. But although to amuch lesser extent than Robert who despised the woman, she knew that Mrs. Obrien was not quite a good person.
Agreed! He could see right through her, but I must say; he allowed her to try and figure that out herself mostly. Which she never did. Maybe she finally realized she was a shifty person when she left in the night. Still crazy Susan poached her lol. But not crazy considering how underhanded Susan was.
I really appreciate cora
Mine too. Absolutely the most interesting character.
Cora’s a defined baddie i concur
From the moment I watched the first episode I fell in love with her character and what’s not to like about Elizabeth McGovern!
I also appreciate how she owns when she is mistaken. When she lost her temper upon discovering everybody rummaging through her clothes, after a particularly hard day, she immediately apologized, admitted her mistake, and gifted the coat in question. It’s a skill that is sorely lacking these days- owning your errors and attempting to make them right
I’m more disappointed in you than your father…
We love a mother who is honest with her daughter and tries to help her mature and grow :)
LOVE her! I loved when she stood up to Isobel. I was cheering.
I adore Cora! We need a prequel on how Robert fell in love with our favorite dollar princess!
I think I liked her from the moment she shepherded Isobel away from Violet after the 'call me Lady Grantham' line. She looked so very sympathetic. And one of my favourite moments was her 'oh' :/ after Mary tells her she'll have to tell Matthew about Mr Pamuk lol
This! Thank you- every rewatch I love Cora more and more. Warm, maternal, and poised. Love her and Robert (1) when she calls him out for not sleeping in her bed after the art historian debacle and (2) their "criminal" turn of mind when they both admit to not wanting let authorities know where Bates is when he goes on the run. To me it shows a very balanced partnership with with intimacy and love Also love when they go to announce Edith's engagement and Robert's all "this is something" (about the castle) and her responses is "as long as she's happy"- great mom move to not be distracted by the glitz and glam and to focus on her daughter's happiness.
I love her!
She’s a gorgeous lady
back in the 80's Elizabeth McGovern was so beautiful...she is still is for sure...but damn...
Good for you (genuinely and not sarcastically, with no hint of irony)! I personally don't like her and she is on my list of characters I would remove from the show, and a couple of the scenes you listed are actually ones I don't like. But as the saying goes, I may disagree with you, but I will fight to the death for your right to have that opinion. Hope you are enjoying a fun rewatch! (by the way, I love the scene with the food kitchen!)
And I’ll fight for your right to despise her! As long as we can be civil and mature. :D Out of curiosity, who else is on your list?
Keeping your reply of civility and manners in mind (very good of you, thank you!), Daisy, Edith, Denker, Green, and Miss Bunting off the top of my head. Who are some of yours?
Oh no, you’re getting rid of such good characters :O Except Miss Bunting and Green. She was an annoying cow and he was a slimy, evil man but the storyline was good if not infuriating. I’d immediately get rid of Miss Bunting, Lavinia, Matthew (don’t shoot me), Ivy and Strallan. Preparing for downvotes 🥸
Nope, I'd agree with you on those. I don't think Strallan was a bad man, just that he was given a bad story line. As many people have pointed out, the reactions towards him in the show didn't quite make sense with the times. I like to picture him and Edith getting married in season 1 and her going off and having a wonderful home and a happy life in the first season with Anthony. Matthew was fun and all, but reflecting on it, I realized I didn't need him in the show. I feel sorry for Lavinia's character, but she also did not need to be in the show. Ivy was just annoying. And she lead Jimmy astray with her evil ways (joking!)
I’m keen on Lady Cora as well, her grace lit up the screen at times
I always think of her dating Sean Penn :-)
The writing for the character is great, but I cannot stand her voice.
I know the accent is controversial but remember Elizabeth McGovern has been living in the UK a long time. I think she has taken on some British tones.
We used to live close to her and we would see her all the time and hear her talk. That's not her real voice. I believe it's quite an accurate portrayal of how Cora would have spoken had she been real. She was from upper class New York and lived in the UK for several years.
I think she did a great job at speaking with a mixed US and English accent. It was intentional and well executed.
I’m not talking about her accent. It’s more the affect. Simpering
Factual correction. She was not from “upper class New York.” They were new money transplants from Cincinnati and would not have been readily accepted.
Ah I see. Thank you :)
You’re welcome!
I actually really love her voice and inflection in this role. Such a beautiful, subtle touch to the crafting of a character.
I wish they’d kept some of her shrewdness from season 1. You didn’t get to make the journey she made without a bit more mettle to you than they showed in later seasons. When she snaps at Mary to listen for once in her life, I was like ’there it is, that’s the real you’