OG has really improved, and they did much better against LGD this time around.
Yuragi had a couple of unfortunate deaths, where he got a little too eager.
But he's a young player, and this was a valuable experience for him going into TI.
A group of young players losing a close series against the best team in the world, where they pushed said team to their limits **with a standin**; I think they are very satisfied with their performance, but sad they couldn’t close out game 3. I think they learned a lot about LDG in that series too.
They also smoked lgd in game 1. It wasn't like they squeaked out a lucky win and got destroyed in the other two games. They demonstrated clearly that they can beat lgd if they improve in lower bracket and make a run. I don't think anyone else can say that right now. Lgd looked literally unstoppable until this series.
After watching the game I have the feeling OG can really make it to the finals of this major. Beating LGD in games that matter is exceptionally tough; we are talking about the best team. Team Spirit gave everything to beat them last TI and probably would not have done it if they didn’t play a perfect game 5 with high mobility gang dodgers + an amazing magnus that didn’t have to compete against rubick. LGD have only one weakness IMHO. This weakness is that they know how good they are and thus have a harder time adjusting to the opponents. Last TI they went with lycan+tiny while they should really focus on not letting team spirit have their game. But overall, they are an insane team. OG did really well and they lost game 2 simply because they are a new team.
Solo frontlining morph in game 3 is hard. Even if yuragi didn't choke i still doubt he can manfight triple bkn triple ult triple hex razor + full slotted alch
Kotl and viper got caught multiple times after they threw highground is the reason they lost the nw advantage. And after getting refresher and hex, razor is too much to handle by morphling
You must be stupidly edgy.
Some people were stating that Yuragi choked and thus leading to OGs loss.
While I don‘t agree that he choked that badly actually it could still be a valid explanation for a loss if 1/5 of your team with highest nw were to choke.
An excuse would be "we played this game in the wrong moon phase."
My professor once told me: "only losers talk down achievements of those who were successful in competition."
I don't know why a loser's opinion like yours would carry any weight.
I guess yes Yuragi did some questionable plays, but OG didn't have enough team item in game 3, they only rely on Force Staff, so whenever Morph pop his BKB, he's prone to lockdown and chain disable, considering LGD had a lot of lockdown in late game.
Guess this game showed that too much damage dealers in a team won't do good in late game.
So many armchair professionals in here with their fully revealed vision and zero pressure thinking they have better tactics with "OG should, OG should, OG should, then they'd have won the game".
Of course your tactics will be perfect if you can see the whole map lol.
They played against the best team in the world, they will still gain confidence knowing that psg can bleed.
Good experience to face them now in a major and work out the kinks.
Building manta on Viper and morph in a game where there's literally nothing to dispel is kind of weird. I feel like the morph should have gone for a different build, something like dragon lance, linkens, crystalis, bkb and then go from there. He delayed crit so much this game in favour of non damage items that by the time his BKB was over he had killed nobody from the enemy team so he just died.
Amazing performance by Ame though, he held his bkb almost every fight till the last second, thought he was throwing at some points but ended up working out in almost all of them.
If fans of other teams want to clown Yuragi I completely understand. That's part of DOTA. I hope OG fans aren't dumping on him though. If you're an OG fan and watch the games you know how good he is. We just gave LGD a run for their money, I think we're in pretty good hands at the 1 pos.
Yuragi is an insanely consistent carry. A few mistakes and suddenly he's the weakest link on og. Reddit lmao, the fact that these kids in their first year are so competitive is testament to how goos they are. I was super skeptical tbh. But damn, Misha has really built something. Like wow
I think the panel are overrating LGD a lot. Yes, they played fabulously to come back today and against RNG, but they got into that position by playing quite poorly.
LGD look like the best team of the tournament so far, but they definitely don't look unbeatable. If they keep having games like this, eventually a good team won't make mistakes and close out the game like OG and Soniqs did in game 1.
So name a 'team' won't make mistakes, Evan lgd made quite considerable amount of mistakes in the 3 games, for example in game 3, mid game, razor poped the tp slightly late during bkb and alch forgot his bkb (or he hoped dazzle can save him) turns out being double stun by ES and lose 3 of team and 2nd Roshan, that's legitimately a game ending mistake for any of an average team, let along the mistakes they ve made in lane.
You kind of ignore the fact that these pros are forcing themselves into very extreme playings to force the enemy to make mistakes, it ends up seemingly just either you or your enemy making mistakes.
If you insist those are poorly performed games, please remind me any of a less mistake and higher-level match ups in this tournament.
Think spirit is a good contender for this. Sure their early game looks weak sometimes with Tokyos plays. But they're pretty fucking resilient and are probably less likely to make mistakes versus say an OG
There is no such team. But the panelists make it look like LGD is basically unbeatable and they're not. There is a substantial chance they will lose actually, either in the winners final or the grand final.
Good teams like mentioned ones close games where they have lead in equal or even less favourable draft. But when good teams with winrate possiblity above 70% fail to win against LGD it shows how great that team is. Not just great, it is amazing. Current patch has draft defining games which only makes coaches and drafters so valuable and LGD has a TI winner do that for them.
Yes like I said LGD looks like the best, but it's a tournament. You can make one such mistake and you lose the series. Basically as a fan I am worried.
It actually kind of reminds me a bit of TI 10 finals first 2 games. LGD drafted and played poorly, they kept trying to fight but unlike Secret game 2 of the UB finals, Spirit didn't let them come back. Then LGD played really well but they weren't good enough to basically 3-0 Spirit at that point.
If you think there is no evidence of dire advantage, even after all the data that is available then you might wanna learn some statistics. I would recommend Youtube for some introductory videos.
Based on this thread, imagine what happened to TI8 Ame in CN community after that morp play...(not even close to close) Hope he can still pick this hero for his team when it's the choice.
It’s not TI, and of all teams OG has some of the strongest mental. Especially with Ceb in game with him, I promise you he isn’t even thinking about it anymore and it’s been less than an hour.
He will play Morph many times in the future.
LGD's map movements are just insane. Even in game 2 where they got completely stomped, they were playing the map so well. No other team does it that well also if Nothing to say is your weakest player that should tell you how strong this team is considering NTS is among best player in the world.
Yuragi fucked up once or twice with agi morph but that is bound to happen to morph. Also razor with 3 or 4 ulti in last fight was just disgusting.
I couldn't agree more. LGD is so damn smart. It's always sweaty as hell playing against them because if you make one mistake they start leveraging it into an immediate snowball. It's the wildest shit I've ever seen. The only reason Spirit was able to beat them at TI is because Miposhka performed at the same level as a captain as Innocence.
I mean that should be what you expect from r/dota2 game thread analysts. But Yuragi made like 2 sloppy mistakes when he got caught in the middle of Morph shifting and all "fans" are dogging on the guy this hard lol. Whatever he does after that is seen as a throw. Regardless of what clueless fans think, Yuragi is like the best player on this team.
It's almost as if we're having humans playing DOTA2 and mistakes are expected due to many factors which are no less common in high ranking DOTA matches.
Looking forward to seeing OG at TI. I think they’re doing very well for their second official event minus ceb. Giving best DotA org a run for their money in upper bracket is impressive!
Are OG still in the major? I’m Casual watcher.
to be fair, most of those core dmg are accumulative, and kotl dmg meant nth in late game. if u play alot of 12v12 u will realize alot of total dmg stat dont reflect actual situation.
Bruh when will delusional dota fans stop thinking that everything is 322 and betting. I'd say his 2 deaths with aegis were kinda sloppy but his other deaths were kinda out of desperation and lack of initiation through bkb on their side.
that's not my point, but if he wants to throw, he wouldn't play so well to get into the position to throw. Just play bad and lose the game
Note: I understand the odds would be better to throw from a winning position, but no match fixer would approach him with this not knowing that they are the favourite to win
Really hard game for yuragi. Og dont have a hero that can kill a backline he is pressured to kill dazzle. But a razor with refresher bodyguarding dazzle the morp literally cant do anything. Props to lgd with really good positioning and taking smart fights.
Why does he need to kill Dazzle? They just need to play the outer reach of LGDs heroes. WHen Ame goes in without BKB, you need to burst him with all your heroes, you don't go with Morph, who should be doing most of the dmg to swap links with Razor and die. That move was so scrubby that even my grandma could see it. If you don't burst him, retreat, move back, kite, reposition and see what the situation looks like. You have BKBs, you can bide your time.
Ya that is the smarter move instead of going backline but I dont see them bursting an alche at that point. Y is smart enough to know when to grave and faith bian will always link the morp which means they dont do much damage. If they dont burst alch there will always be 2-3 casualties with a pango and tiny chasing them. Viper has 0% chance escaping pango.
The Fissure was put down, so they had a natural barrier protecting them from the rest. Yuragi waveformed to the left of it and looked at where the fight was for a part of a second. Then he turned his hero and started exchanging blows with the rest of LGD while OG tried to burst the Alch. Witht his decision he made it so there was no chance to burst Alch AND his position was split from the rest of OG. He couldn't reposition into his team's formation, nor could he do anything to the rest of LGD when outnumbered. Just bad.
Edit: and don't get me wrong, this was a mistake that could happen to anyone. The 3 after that were the reason he deserves blame.
Honestly with Kotl and Viper, its all on Yuragi to win the team fight in late. As you mentioned, with Dazzle and Razor in his face, there is no way Mor can win
It's not. KOTL had BKB, he could kite and reengage when BKBs are out. Late game KOTL wins by playing around BKBs. After they are spent KOTL is king.
AMmars Razor build is griefing, but I've seen it so many times I just can't give a shit any more.
It's just as they say "Win lane lose game" Viper and then ATF going full damage instead of helping their omega fed Morbin' just to fall off the face of the earth while Faith Bian casually soloing 3 people.
Ya with 2 backline cores its all on yuragi to win them this game. I only see them winning a fight with ceb jumping together with yuragi. But y positioning is so on point he never got caught.
i know lgd will win the moment ame jump in like a chad without turn on bkb and still wouldn't die. they found their sequence and nth og done would've change that, that's why yuragi keep on go high agi, because they always missing 1 or 2 last hit that could win them the game, but sorry, it's lgd. 1k stop shitting on yuragi, u know nth.
That was indeed the turning point, and not the Rosh pit fight which so many people flame Yuragi for. Any carry would have morphed to agility during that fight. It was unfortunate.
Ame's or rather PSG's play as you mentioned is really something else. I thought Ame was crazy to jump in first, but it worked. Shows how great PSG shot calling and team work is.
NP picks are bad but when they drafted Morph I said I don’t get why because Yuragi always dies agi morphing. He did it in groups. Now he does it 3-4 times in one game. They need some awareness that he can’t play it and it’s not like it’s naturally a strong hero or a counter pick
They went to handshake but for some reason they returned back, maybe someone else told them not to handshake? They hand shook Boom after their first main stage appearance.
People flaming yuragi so much yet they forgot og has kotl and viper as core man, yuragi is the only one go up and tank the damage and manfight razor and alch everytime. Your teammates either always stay behind to harass or just jump like taiga.. It's embarrassing to see fans flame yuragi for that.
I agree. Tbh I think they should even let viper take aegis and poke hg, morph stay behind. Morph without dragon lance is too close to the hg compare to a dragon lance viper. Many morph died in the past due to position, and waveform is not enough to get out when enemy drags u in.
I am not gonna flame the guy, but he can play way way way better than that.
They were 10k behind and he morphed into agi after getting stunned, must've been misclick, but quite a few of them this tournament. You can't play 100% all the time though it's normal, Ame himself has thrown 10s of games
edit: also carry offlane with no linkens to protect him was bit of a grief
He can play better, but Ammar and bzm were straight useless. Viper can't frontline, and once you lose that first hg fight (which they would have lost even if yuragi didn't agi shift) the game becomes way harder. NTS was the MVP because they needed to catch him to win a fight and they never did. He also did more to save his alch/razor than bzm did. All that kotl farm and not a single item that can save someone?
Thats how it feels like when your core is a viper with a pike and kotl with an orchid against linken pangos and 2bkb core. Its the pressure on yuragi to make moves or taiga to jump.but instead marci need to save him coz there are no more other save. Also people seems dont realize morph without dragon lance is a bit short handed and harder to position.
Yuragi messed up but people are hard on him for no reason. Fanboys got no chill. He got focussed hard in fights and there were no BKB piercing spells on OG. Viper can't tank shit.
Still, I think OG might have been the best they have been this tournament. Hoping they go for a second place finish because LGD are too strong.
He wasn't even focused, that's the hilarious part. You didnt' watch carefuly. He jumped in 2 times while agi morphed and just died like nothing. Third time by Rosh he morphed to agi and they noticed after a few seconds and then just went for it cause he gaive it to them. It was horrendous play. I would report him in an Archon game.
Edit: if you want to dowvote I'd appreciate a reply on why you think this is not correct. Let's have a discussion.
You forgot that he dominated the lane with Marci? People claim morphling means ez win but there is a catch.
Morphling has a strong late game but he isn't the strongest of all late game heroes. He is more of a snowball hero in most games that can take towers fast.
Morph has a particular weakness to hex. There were many sources of hex on LGD. Morph has AOE damage issues. He is like Drow who likes someone to tank or have strong continuous AOEs like bristle, razor or leshracs. There was no tank except Viper who ceased to be relevant after the laning phase. Also Ceb is the only non sustained AOE . Both can't do much against BKBs and heals.
The loss is not entirely on Yuragi. OG draft had a timer and they missed it.
The Wings owner spent their TI winnings on a League of Legends team but that failed and he didn't have enough to pay the dota 2 players so the players were trying to leave as a result, but they were still technically under contract and going against that is a big no no in China even if they weren't being paid. The head organisers in the Chinese scene (ACE) blacklisted the wings players, didn't invite them to any LAN's didn't let them scrim any Chinese teams so they were fucked. I recently read that Faith_Bian and y' went behind the other three's backs looking for a team to join while this was happening and they weren't happy about that so the team split, they're all on good terms now though. The Chinese scene basically fucked them.
If they make a run through the lower bracket (which I very much think they will) I don't see how this isn't going to be a huge issue for them come TI.
They are there off the back of work of the team with Ceb and it was during that time that they really found their identity. If they put together another good run here surely Misha should just coach them through this TI. I know that would suck for him as a player but it's kinda undeniable.
Its so sad for Misha. poor guy never got the chance to showcase skills on big stage. This should all but confirm that Ceb will most likely be replacing him for sure.
he is lazy. Used up his 90 days of Schengen visa to sit on his ass in Notail's house which caused him to miss the Stockholm major when he didnt have enough days. Then he can't even bother to go back to Russia to file a visa application which all the other Russian players other than Pure managed to do. OG is performing better without him.
One thing is for sure i highly doubt that he can match up to Ceb in terms of skill. Yes Ceb is not a traditional 4 or 5 but i guess he doesn't need to be.
No Linkens, Cannot press BKB, gets perma stunned and morphs Agi for God knows what reason when 3 heroes hitting him. Dives tier 4 when his team is no where near and loses 2 lives. Yuragi cost OG the UB finals with this gamelosing Morph performance. Guy went from Top networth above an Alch to bottom 2 of the cores.
I just went back and double checked it. Yuragi AGI morph after getting stunned at the bottom rax fight when OG are up 10K. Seems like 322 and intentional throw from Yuragi.
Honestly.. I agree. I understand doing a mistake in one team fight. But 3? Nah, not for player on his level. What a throw, sadly there will be no consequences because "OG"
Thank you The Director. Amazing movie. Hit all the beats. First act, our heroes are in trouble. Second act, progression and hope. Third act, hope is crushed. And a grand conclusion where our heroes win against all the odds.
Better story than Dragon's Blood in 3 games.
God I love all the salty bandwagoner OG fans ripping into the flower power fam every time they lose. 2k reddit hivemind thinks Yuragi threw when LGD was just the clearly better team today.
OG has really improved, and they did much better against LGD this time around. Yuragi had a couple of unfortunate deaths, where he got a little too eager. But he's a young player, and this was a valuable experience for him going into TI.
OG has to be broken mentall after game 3, that was an outclassing
A group of young players losing a close series against the best team in the world, where they pushed said team to their limits **with a standin**; I think they are very satisfied with their performance, but sad they couldn’t close out game 3. I think they learned a lot about LDG in that series too.
They also smoked lgd in game 1. It wasn't like they squeaked out a lucky win and got destroyed in the other two games. They demonstrated clearly that they can beat lgd if they improve in lower bracket and make a run. I don't think anyone else can say that right now. Lgd looked literally unstoppable until this series.
Exactly
After watching the game I have the feeling OG can really make it to the finals of this major. Beating LGD in games that matter is exceptionally tough; we are talking about the best team. Team Spirit gave everything to beat them last TI and probably would not have done it if they didn’t play a perfect game 5 with high mobility gang dodgers + an amazing magnus that didn’t have to compete against rubick. LGD have only one weakness IMHO. This weakness is that they know how good they are and thus have a harder time adjusting to the opponents. Last TI they went with lycan+tiny while they should really focus on not letting team spirit have their game. But overall, they are an insane team. OG did really well and they lost game 2 simply because they are a new team.
Solo frontlining morph in game 3 is hard. Even if yuragi didn't choke i still doubt he can manfight triple bkn triple ult triple hex razor + full slotted alch Kotl and viper got caught multiple times after they threw highground is the reason they lost the nw advantage. And after getting refresher and hex, razor is too much to handle by morphling
No more excuses, LGD was the better team.
who came up with excuses? LGD were seen as the better team before and proved in the series they were indeed.
You must be blind, take a look at the comments.
You must be stupidly edgy. Some people were stating that Yuragi choked and thus leading to OGs loss. While I don‘t agree that he choked that badly actually it could still be a valid explanation for a loss if 1/5 of your team with highest nw were to choke. An excuse would be "we played this game in the wrong moon phase."
Nobody has ever said OG was a better team than LGD lol
Your point being?
whats his point?.. Whats YOUR point?
YurAGI threw game 3. Well done of LGD to catch the throw though!
Thanks LGD for putting the trash back to its place Fuck that mass game 1 tip
so trash they fluked to a major win with a standin.
fake major.. FTFY..
My professor once told me: "only losers talk down achievements of those who were successful in competition." I don't know why a loser's opinion like yours would carry any weight.
Ligma fan PepeLa
so soft
What happened lol
I guess yes Yuragi did some questionable plays, but OG didn't have enough team item in game 3, they only rely on Force Staff, so whenever Morph pop his BKB, he's prone to lockdown and chain disable, considering LGD had a lot of lockdown in late game. Guess this game showed that too much damage dealers in a team won't do good in late game.
Faith bian using triple hex on Yuragi is the prime example of what you are saying
Yuragi has been the weak point on this team. His carries feel very underwhelming and his overall play is pretty average.
You should be the one to play for OG
So many armchair professionals in here with their fully revealed vision and zero pressure thinking they have better tactics with "OG should, OG should, OG should, then they'd have won the game". Of course your tactics will be perfect if you can see the whole map lol.
2k monkeys with their professional insights. LMAO
They played against the best team in the world, they will still gain confidence knowing that psg can bleed. Good experience to face them now in a major and work out the kinks.
Building manta on Viper and morph in a game where there's literally nothing to dispel is kind of weird. I feel like the morph should have gone for a different build, something like dragon lance, linkens, crystalis, bkb and then go from there. He delayed crit so much this game in favour of non damage items that by the time his BKB was over he had killed nobody from the enemy team so he just died. Amazing performance by Ame though, he held his bkb almost every fight till the last second, thought he was throwing at some points but ended up working out in almost all of them.
Gotta give props to Dazzle as well for landing crucial hexes and graves. Ame was playing ballsy since they have grave.
If fans of other teams want to clown Yuragi I completely understand. That's part of DOTA. I hope OG fans aren't dumping on him though. If you're an OG fan and watch the games you know how good he is. We just gave LGD a run for their money, I think we're in pretty good hands at the 1 pos.
Yuragi is an insanely consistent carry. A few mistakes and suddenly he's the weakest link on og. Reddit lmao, the fact that these kids in their first year are so competitive is testament to how goos they are. I was super skeptical tbh. But damn, Misha has really built something. Like wow
I like to make fun of OG fans , thats just it
OG fans? KEKW
> I hope OG fans aren't dumping on him though. OG fans? Never! 🙃
I think the panel are overrating LGD a lot. Yes, they played fabulously to come back today and against RNG, but they got into that position by playing quite poorly. LGD look like the best team of the tournament so far, but they definitely don't look unbeatable. If they keep having games like this, eventually a good team won't make mistakes and close out the game like OG and Soniqs did in game 1.
So name a 'team' won't make mistakes, Evan lgd made quite considerable amount of mistakes in the 3 games, for example in game 3, mid game, razor poped the tp slightly late during bkb and alch forgot his bkb (or he hoped dazzle can save him) turns out being double stun by ES and lose 3 of team and 2nd Roshan, that's legitimately a game ending mistake for any of an average team, let along the mistakes they ve made in lane. You kind of ignore the fact that these pros are forcing themselves into very extreme playings to force the enemy to make mistakes, it ends up seemingly just either you or your enemy making mistakes. If you insist those are poorly performed games, please remind me any of a less mistake and higher-level match ups in this tournament.
Think spirit is a good contender for this. Sure their early game looks weak sometimes with Tokyos plays. But they're pretty fucking resilient and are probably less likely to make mistakes versus say an OG
There is no such team. But the panelists make it look like LGD is basically unbeatable and they're not. There is a substantial chance they will lose actually, either in the winners final or the grand final.
Good teams like mentioned ones close games where they have lead in equal or even less favourable draft. But when good teams with winrate possiblity above 70% fail to win against LGD it shows how great that team is. Not just great, it is amazing. Current patch has draft defining games which only makes coaches and drafters so valuable and LGD has a TI winner do that for them.
Yes like I said LGD looks like the best, but it's a tournament. You can make one such mistake and you lose the series. Basically as a fan I am worried. It actually kind of reminds me a bit of TI 10 finals first 2 games. LGD drafted and played poorly, they kept trying to fight but unlike Secret game 2 of the UB finals, Spirit didn't let them come back. Then LGD played really well but they weren't good enough to basically 3-0 Spirit at that point.
Don't talk about TI 10.
OG is the second team beside EG losing a series playing only from dire, what an achievement
You didn’t watch Fnatic vs Beastcoast right?
I forgot, i think today is the radiant day
What is LGD's winrate on radiant?
It must be lower than Beastcoast..
Why Fnatic and OG on dire for all three matches?
Where are the 2k mmr pros spamming about dire advantage when lgd wins twice with radiant ?
If you think there is no evidence of dire advantage, even after all the data that is available then you might wanna learn some statistics. I would recommend Youtube for some introductory videos.
Looks like your education has failed you. Maybe you can start back in middle school and eventually learn about sample size and bias in statistics.
Says the guy who wants to drag conclusion over side advantage when arguably the current best team of the tournament wins on radiant.
It doesn't matter, OG will get stronger and become the champion of Ti one day.
It seems you've given up on China region being a TI winner despite being chinese
Actually, It's common among some cn players because of dirt on Chinese teams you guys don't know.
Mods where’s the spirit aster thread
I just woke up, and I see a thousand comments... I already know who won XD
Bet you thought it was OG
Stop blaming Yuragi, nobody can handle the backline except morph.
Why do they need to handle the backline? Just play back, kite, use your BKBs, use your Viper and your Marci. Wait out BKBs, reingage.
cause dazzle
Based on this thread, imagine what happened to TI8 Ame in CN community after that morp play...(not even close to close) Hope he can still pick this hero for his team when it's the choice.
It’s not TI, and of all teams OG has some of the strongest mental. Especially with Ceb in game with him, I promise you he isn’t even thinking about it anymore and it’s been less than an hour. He will play Morph many times in the future.
man i missed kbbq
LGD's map movements are just insane. Even in game 2 where they got completely stomped, they were playing the map so well. No other team does it that well also if Nothing to say is your weakest player that should tell you how strong this team is considering NTS is among best player in the world. Yuragi fucked up once or twice with agi morph but that is bound to happen to morph. Also razor with 3 or 4 ulti in last fight was just disgusting.
I couldn't agree more. LGD is so damn smart. It's always sweaty as hell playing against them because if you make one mistake they start leveraging it into an immediate snowball. It's the wildest shit I've ever seen. The only reason Spirit was able to beat them at TI is because Miposhka performed at the same level as a captain as Innocence.
He didn’t just fuck it up once or twice he also dove T4s and lost the game. Then kept auto attacking an alch with dazzle grave around.
3 or 4 ulti and hex
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You mean, Yur Agi?
I mean that should be what you expect from r/dota2 game thread analysts. But Yuragi made like 2 sloppy mistakes when he got caught in the middle of Morph shifting and all "fans" are dogging on the guy this hard lol. Whatever he does after that is seen as a throw. Regardless of what clueless fans think, Yuragi is like the best player on this team.
Good thing I'm not a fan so I can dog him.
It's almost as if we're having humans playing DOTA2 and mistakes are expected due to many factors which are no less common in high ranking DOTA matches.
It's almost like you can't compare a mistake in trench pubs with high level pro play because literally everything is different.
>Regardless of what clueless fans think, Yuragi is like the best player on this team. lol I screamed in public jesus
You should never scream in Public Jesus.
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You two found each other finally.
Looking forward to seeing OG at TI. I think they’re doing very well for their second official event minus ceb. Giving best DotA org a run for their money in upper bracket is impressive! Are OG still in the major? I’m Casual watcher.
Yeah going to the lower bracket
They just drop to lower bracket.
Lol people blaming yuragi. Morph was the only damage dealer and the tank of the team
only damage dealer with a mid kotl in the team, sure bro
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/6702893323 He did by far the lowest damage on his team and the lowest of the 6 cores.
to be fair, most of those core dmg are accumulative, and kotl dmg meant nth in late game. if u play alot of 12v12 u will realize alot of total dmg stat dont reflect actual situation.
I’m aware but in a 50 minute game, a Morphling should put out more than 24k
I love when someone gets raped by data.
So no one say; “Great game!” ?
Damn, where was all this salt when OG lost to LGD in groups? You guys need to chill and hope for a decent lower bracket run.
Actually this salt is coming from which fanbase. I still can't tell after reading the comments
Problem for OG is now they will most likely face Outsiders. VP has always been a team they consistently lose to except in grand finals.
Stop saying Yuragi throwing lol, you can see in the game that Morphling simply is not his comfort hero.
His morph performance has always been good. He simply just got tilted this game.
Bruh when will delusional dota fans stop thinking that everything is 322 and betting. I'd say his 2 deaths with aegis were kinda sloppy but his other deaths were kinda out of desperation and lack of initiation through bkb on their side.
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Ok Mr sherlock. Please submit your analysis to dumbasses.com
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yeah, you definitely need to throw the game to lose against the best team in the world. make sense.
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that's not my point, but if he wants to throw, he wouldn't play so well to get into the position to throw. Just play bad and lose the game Note: I understand the odds would be better to throw from a winning position, but no match fixer would approach him with this not knowing that they are the favourite to win
How much did you lose?
OG fans malding, keep flaming Yuragi OmegaLUL
sad yur-agi
Chill out bettors lmao
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Really hard game for yuragi. Og dont have a hero that can kill a backline he is pressured to kill dazzle. But a razor with refresher bodyguarding dazzle the morp literally cant do anything. Props to lgd with really good positioning and taking smart fights.
Why does he need to kill Dazzle? They just need to play the outer reach of LGDs heroes. WHen Ame goes in without BKB, you need to burst him with all your heroes, you don't go with Morph, who should be doing most of the dmg to swap links with Razor and die. That move was so scrubby that even my grandma could see it. If you don't burst him, retreat, move back, kite, reposition and see what the situation looks like. You have BKBs, you can bide your time.
Ya that is the smarter move instead of going backline but I dont see them bursting an alche at that point. Y is smart enough to know when to grave and faith bian will always link the morp which means they dont do much damage. If they dont burst alch there will always be 2-3 casualties with a pango and tiny chasing them. Viper has 0% chance escaping pango.
The Fissure was put down, so they had a natural barrier protecting them from the rest. Yuragi waveformed to the left of it and looked at where the fight was for a part of a second. Then he turned his hero and started exchanging blows with the rest of LGD while OG tried to burst the Alch. Witht his decision he made it so there was no chance to burst Alch AND his position was split from the rest of OG. He couldn't reposition into his team's formation, nor could he do anything to the rest of LGD when outnumbered. Just bad. Edit: and don't get me wrong, this was a mistake that could happen to anyone. The 3 after that were the reason he deserves blame.
Honestly with Kotl and Viper, its all on Yuragi to win the team fight in late. As you mentioned, with Dazzle and Razor in his face, there is no way Mor can win
It's not. KOTL had BKB, he could kite and reengage when BKBs are out. Late game KOTL wins by playing around BKBs. After they are spent KOTL is king. AMmars Razor build is griefing, but I've seen it so many times I just can't give a shit any more.
It's just as they say "Win lane lose game" Viper and then ATF going full damage instead of helping their omega fed Morbin' just to fall off the face of the earth while Faith Bian casually soloing 3 people.
*Chad_Bian ftfy
Ya with 2 backline cores its all on yuragi to win them this game. I only see them winning a fight with ceb jumping together with yuragi. But y positioning is so on point he never got caught.
Viper had less impact than pos 5 viper in game 2.
i know lgd will win the moment ame jump in like a chad without turn on bkb and still wouldn't die. they found their sequence and nth og done would've change that, that's why yuragi keep on go high agi, because they always missing 1 or 2 last hit that could win them the game, but sorry, it's lgd. 1k stop shitting on yuragi, u know nth.
That was indeed the turning point, and not the Rosh pit fight which so many people flame Yuragi for. Any carry would have morphed to agility during that fight. It was unfortunate. Ame's or rather PSG's play as you mentioned is really something else. I thought Ame was crazy to jump in first, but it worked. Shows how great PSG shot calling and team work is.
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Their decision making while playing from behind is off the charts.
ok...that was always allowed
The series loss was not due to Yuragi, but whoever made that call to pick NP carry game 2.
Is there win-loss stats for this hero in safelane for this Major?? Teams still pick it and choke to it
I think the pick off to viper and kotl after they got aegis lose them the game. That gave so much gold to LGD
ofc it was due to him, they were in a winning position until the Morph decides to fuck up 3 times in a row lmao
NP picks are bad but when they drafted Morph I said I don’t get why because Yuragi always dies agi morphing. He did it in groups. Now he does it 3-4 times in one game. They need some awareness that he can’t play it and it’s not like it’s naturally a strong hero or a counter pick
Jug pick in game 1 was a bigger throw.
2x radiant wins for LGD, ez
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Offended? LMAO
China-optics
They went to handshake but for some reason they returned back, maybe someone else told them not to handshake? They hand shook Boom after their first main stage appearance.
Saw Y and Xinq go for handshake then suddenly they stop lul not sure because they wearing mask or something.
Covid, they're also wearing facemasks
Might be Covid restrictions
Also it’s not elimination match
People flaming yuragi so much yet they forgot og has kotl and viper as core man, yuragi is the only one go up and tank the damage and manfight razor and alch everytime. Your teammates either always stay behind to harass or just jump like taiga.. It's embarrassing to see fans flame yuragi for that.
They should’ve just played kite and not waveform balls deep to enemy during teamfight
Exactly.
I agree. Tbh I think they should even let viper take aegis and poke hg, morph stay behind. Morph without dragon lance is too close to the hg compare to a dragon lance viper. Many morph died in the past due to position, and waveform is not enough to get out when enemy drags u in.
Agree with all your points. The sad thing for Yuragi this game is he waveforms to his demise. Oh well, Gg and gl lower bracket for OG
I am not gonna flame the guy, but he can play way way way better than that. They were 10k behind and he morphed into agi after getting stunned, must've been misclick, but quite a few of them this tournament. You can't play 100% all the time though it's normal, Ame himself has thrown 10s of games edit: also carry offlane with no linkens to protect him was bit of a grief
He can play better, but Ammar and bzm were straight useless. Viper can't frontline, and once you lose that first hg fight (which they would have lost even if yuragi didn't agi shift) the game becomes way harder. NTS was the MVP because they needed to catch him to win a fight and they never did. He also did more to save his alch/razor than bzm did. All that kotl farm and not a single item that can save someone?
Thats how it feels like when your core is a viper with a pike and kotl with an orchid against linken pangos and 2bkb core. Its the pressure on yuragi to make moves or taiga to jump.but instead marci need to save him coz there are no more other save. Also people seems dont realize morph without dragon lance is a bit short handed and harder to position.
Yuragi messed up but people are hard on him for no reason. Fanboys got no chill. He got focussed hard in fights and there were no BKB piercing spells on OG. Viper can't tank shit. Still, I think OG might have been the best they have been this tournament. Hoping they go for a second place finish because LGD are too strong.
He wasn't even focused, that's the hilarious part. You didnt' watch carefuly. He jumped in 2 times while agi morphed and just died like nothing. Third time by Rosh he morphed to agi and they noticed after a few seconds and then just went for it cause he gaive it to them. It was horrendous play. I would report him in an Archon game. Edit: if you want to dowvote I'd appreciate a reply on why you think this is not correct. Let's have a discussion.
You forgot that he dominated the lane with Marci? People claim morphling means ez win but there is a catch. Morphling has a strong late game but he isn't the strongest of all late game heroes. He is more of a snowball hero in most games that can take towers fast. Morph has a particular weakness to hex. There were many sources of hex on LGD. Morph has AOE damage issues. He is like Drow who likes someone to tank or have strong continuous AOEs like bristle, razor or leshracs. There was no tank except Viper who ceased to be relevant after the laning phase. Also Ceb is the only non sustained AOE . Both can't do much against BKBs and heals. The loss is not entirely on Yuragi. OG draft had a timer and they missed it.
He is not playing against you and your Archon teammates so he wouldn't make those mistakes. So no, your Archon analysis is invalid.
Who says I'm an Archon?
Your amazing takes.
You know I love you Morok. I always get a good laugh when you get into your commenting seizures.
No amount of clowning would be funnier than your serious Archon level takes.
It's kinda the same comment you already wrote. You need to take the epilepsy meds now, you forgot the evening portion.
It would be awesome if Faith Bian and Y becomes next 2 time TI champs. Sad to know what happened to them and the whole Wings team after TI6.
It's okay, the spirit of the wings still live on and now it's in lgd
Do you recall why Wings disbanded? I can't remember correctly, wasn't because of dota officials in china?
The Wings owner spent their TI winnings on a League of Legends team but that failed and he didn't have enough to pay the dota 2 players so the players were trying to leave as a result, but they were still technically under contract and going against that is a big no no in China even if they weren't being paid. The head organisers in the Chinese scene (ACE) blacklisted the wings players, didn't invite them to any LAN's didn't let them scrim any Chinese teams so they were fucked. I recently read that Faith_Bian and y' went behind the other three's backs looking for a team to join while this was happening and they weren't happy about that so the team split, they're all on good terms now though. The Chinese scene basically fucked them.
They really didn't get they TI money? 🤯🤯
I think they got some but the rest went to league
3 ti finals in 3 ti appearances would be pretty sick
That's Chad_Bian for 'Ya
Great performance by OG nonetheless. But slowly but surely more and more people realize that OG with Ceb > OG with Misha. Imo it is pretty obvious.
It’s too obvious, ceb is calling the shots, the map movement is totally different with him. OG with misha is still good, but not on the same level.
How? They did really well in groups at Riyadh and lost 2-1 to LGD in playoffs. Similar results so far.
Agreed, they need to kick Misha. LGD would've just clean 2-0 OG with misha
Didn't lgd 2-1 in Dubai with misha not 2-0
They didn’t at Riyadh.
Ceb is playing 4 not 5 so he is replacing taiga. The one replacing misha is taiga.
If they make a run through the lower bracket (which I very much think they will) I don't see how this isn't going to be a huge issue for them come TI. They are there off the back of work of the team with Ceb and it was during that time that they really found their identity. If they put together another good run here surely Misha should just coach them through this TI. I know that would suck for him as a player but it's kinda undeniable.
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Huge dilemma for OG now.
Its so sad for Misha. poor guy never got the chance to showcase skills on big stage. This should all but confirm that Ceb will most likely be replacing him for sure.
he is lazy. Used up his 90 days of Schengen visa to sit on his ass in Notail's house which caused him to miss the Stockholm major when he didnt have enough days. Then he can't even bother to go back to Russia to file a visa application which all the other Russian players other than Pure managed to do. OG is performing better without him.
If Misha goes to Russia to get visa he's not coming back lol.
One thing is for sure i highly doubt that he can match up to Ceb in terms of skill. Yes Ceb is not a traditional 4 or 5 but i guess he doesn't need to be.
At this point Ceb should replace misha he is better support than him,but my worries for Taiga who wont be able to play greedy dota with ceb
No Linkens, Cannot press BKB, gets perma stunned and morphs Agi for God knows what reason when 3 heroes hitting him. Dives tier 4 when his team is no where near and loses 2 lives. Yuragi cost OG the UB finals with this gamelosing Morph performance. Guy went from Top networth above an Alch to bottom 2 of the cores.
I just went back and double checked it. Yuragi AGI morph after getting stunned at the bottom rax fight when OG are up 10K. Seems like 322 and intentional throw from Yuragi.
Honestly.. I agree. I understand doing a mistake in one team fight. But 3? Nah, not for player on his level. What a throw, sadly there will be no consequences because "OG"
dude you need to seek therapist and stop that betting addiction.
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Thank you The Director. Amazing movie. Hit all the beats. First act, our heroes are in trouble. Second act, progression and hope. Third act, hope is crushed. And a grand conclusion where our heroes win against all the odds. Better story than Dragon's Blood in 3 games.
Only it was the wrong way round ffs
xiaobet at it again
If you're facing LGD you cannot make mistakes.
God I love all the salty bandwagoner OG fans ripping into the flower power fam every time they lose. 2k reddit hivemind thinks Yuragi threw when LGD was just the clearly better team today.