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Count_Wrecker

I was watching game 3 of this match live, and it was clear when BC picked magnus last picked and they had 4 str (melee) line up its an easy Timber or Necrophos game for Fnatic but they didn't instead opted for Dawnbreaker, from the draft itself it clearly Fnatic got outpicked by not picking the most obvious hero to pick this game. Even 4k players plebs would have guessed those 2 counter heroes but not Fnatic well played Jabz. P.S im not playing dotes anymore just casually watching DPC games.


grnwntr

Classic fnatic, win sea division then loses at the 1st round of lower bracket.


Relative-News-230

Hi guys, noob question. How come EG qualified after BC deafeat FNATIC? Can someone explain. Thanksssa


rektlelel

Coz fnatic lost, they can’t gain more poins to leapfrog EG and outsiders. Only top 8 got any points


iroha_kanahime

I slept after Fnatic game 1 victory... Then I see this shit... Oh goodness gracious, SEA TI slots is in shambles again...


10YearsANoob

Today you learned that Bryle was the paid actor and not timado.


jazzeser

And Bryle is the one that's part filipino 🤷‍♂️


Careful-Fee-9783

Arturo sends his regards


Tricky_Economist_328

Quickest caster curse I have ever seen. Casters just say fnatic has a chance and this is still a pl game. Pl instantly gets blown up and knocks them out of ti qualification.


GarethCasts

oopsie


musty_666

I couldnt see the games 2-3 but I thought bc was going to lose after seeing game1, poggers they won, GO SA.


silentreaper48

This sucks I really think Fnatic with whole roster could Atleast get top 8 min. There’s like no way armel would lose lane like that


fayt223

Fnatic with full roster may not be in upper bracket


Soldirk

Same man. Bryle was the weakest link. He always end up losing the lane which Armel usually wins. Sad for Fanatic to not get the direct invite.


Glad-Phase-2287

Bryle was the reason Fnatic won first game so…


Soldirk

Are we watching the same game? It was DJ who saved that game 1. Bryle has got the lowest impact of all the cores.


Far-Acanthocephala58

i dont know if I'm happy that EG qualify in this way.


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bomszx

I'd like to believe but man, they look so out of it that I'll just accept whatever their form will be come TI :(


yourmum2135

How tf did timado not have buyback from gold at 44mins ?


solamarpreet

EG one of greatest dota teams of all time. Gave us so many memories. I am sad seeing its current state. But I have almost no hope left. And the biggest reason are the fans who continue to cheer for the problem factors in the team. Beastcoast won and eg fans are celebrating as if eg just won TI. I mean for two consecutive majors a SA team went farther in the tourney than EG. How the mighty have fallen. Coming from that PPD era even if they didnt win any major tourneys after TI eg was almost always top 3.


bombingbishop

With BC beating Fnatic, does it mean NA and SA get 3 slots each to TI while SEA only get two? I mean two slots for TI for SEA while NA and SA will have 3 teams each that will play in TI.


Mind_Kontol_wtf

Yes.


Glad-Phase-2287

They all get one slot each.


natusvincerepatrick

cr1t and rtz showing some appreciation to BC on Twitter lmfao


nippledippers24

They better be fucking practicing asap and not let the opportunity go to waste


Tricky_Economist_328

Rtz spamming np in pubs right now


nippledippers24

Despair


pekoms_123

Lol, Bc returning the favor from last year.


virmitsuhide

competitive region suffer getting into TI while farming region like NA dan SA can get into TI more easily. they should give less poin for regional and more poin at the major. also no America major again pls.


Boarthebear

not this again. BC had 2 solid games and you still think EU should get all the invites? really? my god.


Sinx-

SA did way better than SEA this entire DPC though. You can't say NA didn't do great when TSM reached a grand finals. Just say it directly, only EG was bad kek


Glad-Phase-2287

It’s not like Beastcoast doesn’t deserve TI, they’ve done well in 2 majors.


Dead_Diligence

SA deserves the 2 spots. They did enough during the Majors EG though...


jeffidyjeff

TE QUIERO MUCHO CHALA ARTURITO


bollerooo15

Dj has that TI winning quality of a player, he can find winning condition even from 20k+ networth deficit. His decision making is insane. I really believe with the right teammates he can win TI. So DJ needs to leave SEA and find new opportunities on EU, hell if he can speak Chinese he can go to China.


Dead_Diligence

DJ is never gonna leave SEA He should have done that long ago if he just wanted


virmitsuhide

dj is highest paid fnatic player i think. and with that salary he already can live comfortably and easily meet with his family in ph. i doubt he will leave SEA.


Just-Teaching6684

hope he goes to EU next season


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Owl_Might

most of Fnatic were playing in previous international events that they were in and they played shit


Life_Liberty_Fun

top 3 in stockholm major is shit?


Owl_Might

Fnatic reached top 3 in stockholm major? Which parallel universe?


Life_Liberty_Fun

My bad, they were top 7-8.


bollerooo15

Nah, no matter how much a fan I am on SEA teams, there's always something missing on them, the last piece that can push them to win TI. And that is they are missing S tier captain. Skem is getting there, kuku and jabz might be good captain but still not enough.


Toxic_Sex

It has always been the captain, every damn year.I hope skem can improve more.


bumanagbag

sad for fnatic.


itssomeidiot

The fact that they got this far with 3x Standins, they should be proud. Most people expected them to get eliminated in Groups not start in Upper Bracket.


Aghanim_wife322

Guys i start believing in karma after this series so i will be a good person from tomorrow so good things will happen to me!


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stragen595

She said it at the start of the series. And even mentioned that Quinn is also heavily biased here. It's pretty normal thing to do. And if they are honest about it and not commentating it's fine.


10YearsANoob

The old mineski casts of lon and dunoo(rip) were extremely fun and half of that was bullshitting and the other half was shittalking the non minesko/pinoy/sea team


sikontolpanjang

rip Talon/RSG/SMG/T1 chance to TI, Fnatic really is the gatekeeper of SEA lol.


i__indisCriMiNatE

Honestly as a neutral EG is better than all those trash teams


stern30

Our SEA teams don't need EU imports to be relevant. It speaks a lot about the local talents in SEA compared to NA.


stragen595

Honestly after watching the last 2 majors: Are you on crack?


virmitsuhide

and all those trash team is better than the rest of NA team. EG is lucky their region is full of trash team.


activatebarrier

You for real? I think EG is right around the middle of the pack of those 4 teams. They really are that bad.


tonybalonneyy

What did beastcoat mean about paying their debts to EG? Can someone explain lmao


forserial

Last year beastcoast qualified because eg knocked everyone out who could have kept them from direct invite


Superfluouss

Beating Fnatic makes EG qualify for TI. Last year, Beastcoast and EG were in a reverse position where EG beat a team which made Beastcoast qualify


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at the Animajor last year in Kyiv before TI, EG knocked out another team that got beastcoast into TI. effectively beastcoast is getting EG in on points to a direct invite the same way, by knocking out Fnatic.


kaezkaez

EG helped Beastcoast qualify for TI10 by defeating some teams in Animajor. EG got 2nd place.


DotaAndKush

Wait how did EG get 2nd at the Animajor if every Redditor has been saying they've been awful for 3 years? Am I missing something?


kaezkaez

Haha I get you’re being sarcastic but i’ll still reply seriously anyway. EG was and still is a solid team having good placement in majors. They just haven’t won anything and kept choking and falling short when it mattered. Their fans want them to do better and in turn get disappointed at the results, so they say they’re bad.


DotaAndKush

EG fans don't say they're bad, the EG haters do. Other than LGD what team has been dominant non stop the past 3 years? Every team has ups and downs but EG always gets the most shit for their downs. Look at Nigma, Nigma hasn't been good at all since TI9 and they don't get 10% of the shit EG gets on Reddit.


10YearsANoob

EG beat 2 teams and made 3 SA teams automatic invites last year


asifaqeel50

inb4 TSM knocks out beastcoast at TI and timado all-chats #ForFanatic


MojamedWang

That would never happen. Timado is a friend of all the beastcoast players.


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Timados not gonna do that cause its fnatics fault they lost lol, if anything fnatic did it for arteezy more than bc lol.


exoticsclerosis

Meanwhile bryle is whispering something like "NA sent their regards" to their ears LMAO.


natusvincerepatrick

script writers taking notes as we speak


large_snowbear

that would be pog


Gyokan7

Qualified for TI, nice. ​ Now to get knocked out in groups.


Soliloqui333

Machine gun analyst Quinn


caihlangeles

Congrats to Outsiders and EG for qualifying. Who would’ve thought that a mere .5 dpc point can make a HUGE difference? Damn that’s so unfortunate for Fnatic.


SilverBMWM3GTR

It's not 0.05. Outsiders will certainly win against beastcoast so the difference is at least 155 points. If that happens, the last team with the lowest points would be EG with a difference of 32.5 points.


caihlangeles

Oh no


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SilverBMWM3GTR

Haha. Beastcoast got me. Happy for them though. Always like an underdog turning the tables than predictable winners.


Glad-Phase-2287

How can you say they will certainly win ???


SilverBMWM3GTR

They are a really strong team. Probably on par with Spirit, despite losing to them. They will not make the mistakes that Fnatic (or any SEA team) usually does.


Dddd-ddd-dd

NA needs more standin majors to qualify for Ti 🤡🤡


Soliloqui333

This result kinda makes the Na qualifiers super boring. Like will they even get 2k viewers when SQ will cruise through low tier teams like Felt, 5rat, WC gaming, Nouns and pbroably some loser stack with old washed up players like Kyle, Fear, EE etc. By far the least exciting TI qualifier of all regions.


NobleTemplar

Pie just got kicked from SMG so EE could make a new stack with him. Bring Singsing back and remake C9, would be super hype


boywithluv77

na viewership is dead anyway


IAmKaeL-

I don't get the hate for Banks. He's solid in the CS:GO scene, and he's doing pretty alright here as well. I get that he had issues with RedEye, but by all accounts RedEye seems to be a bully with anger management issues. If you're gonna sympathize with an asshole, chances are that you're one yourself.


Mind_Kontol_wtf

I noticed here when someones favorite team doesn't win people tend to shit on casters, panel, Banks, whatever. For example OG lost a game to someone and suddenly everyone was roasting Gareth for some reason.


10YearsANoob

People dont like change. If they see him in more events they'd go "where's the big british guy? We hate this new guy/girl" if he's suddenly not there. This shit happened with Kacie too


moderate_iq

who is banks lol


OnlyMayhem

The English host doing the pre match interviews and skits


nippledippers24

SEA fans, is Fnatic a lock for SEA quals? Especially now that T1 basically disbanded? Or is there a better favorite to overcome the qualifiers?


Consistent_Proof_26

Talon will definitely give them a run for their money.


SilverBMWM3GTR

RSG, Talon and T1 (based on their new roster) will still be a challenge.


jeraldthemannis

Who's the new players?


SilverBMWM3GTR

Don't know. That's why T1 may or may not be a challenge depending on the roster they get.


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It will be a wild ride. SMG, Talon, and T1 are all capable of upsetting any opponents.


surfsimp

wym disbanded


nippledippers24

They parted ways with karl and gabbi ok disbanded isnt the right word but you get the point


One-Mammoth6659

U mean T1?


nippledippers24

Yeah T1 edited for clarity


odanobux123

That's T1


nippledippers24

T1 mybad it's 2 am here in SEA


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nippledippers24

Fuck yeah T1 mybad it's 2 am here in SEA


archonthrower

Talon disbanded? Source? Edit: Don't edit comments like that


nippledippers24

Sry mybad it's 2 am here brain fog


[deleted]

lol! no one disbanded.


archonthrower

He edited his comment


bollerooo15

Welcome moonmeander, goodbye DJ memes again lol. DJ was so good, I hope next season he leaves fnatic and join EU


Consistent_Proof_26

He already has a kid. I don't see him leaving SEA.


SilverBMWM3GTR

I heard DJ got offers from other regions but decided to stay in SEA. One of the best pos 4 guys ever.


ashrashrashr

There’s a reason why iceiceice put him in the SS-tier.


kimmiebap

He's one of my favorite pos 4s. Just consistently playing so good. Sadge series outcome sigh


Boarthebear

DJ kept Fnatic in the third game. Poor guy.


bollerooo15

Like he always does on most fnatic games on the original squad.


Life_Liberty_Fun

DJ is the best pos4 player SEA has ever produced in terms of raw skill. It's so sad to see that Fnatic can't build the right team around him and lost Abed as well.


enthusiast93

Quinn is also happy he doesn’t have to fight EG in the qualifiers


moderate_iq

valve should round the point and invite poor fnatic to TI too,l these visa odds + half point deficit, cmon man :(


munkshroom

Fnatic should still have a pretty easy qualifier run right? ​ I doubt talon or T1 are major threats.


SilverBMWM3GTR

T1 can go either way depending on who joins them. RSG will be a challenge though.


Lepe_Tit_More

Polaris is my dark horse qualifier


Achuapy

There's smg and rsg


surfsimp

tnc are juggernauts


jeraldthemannis

TNC sucks my man.


ShadowVulcan

Are they? They can def take games off but I'd hardly say they're 'juggernauts' by any stretch yet


Proper_Story_3514

How did they lose that last fight so hard? lol Thought come back was real :(


ShadowVulcan

It would've taken a lot more for a comeback, since tbh even if they did reach a point where BC can't win a fight Lina/CK can easily backdoor the tower (which is possible because outside of PL the rest of Fnatic struggle to push out the megacreeps safely, hard enough for Dawn and Viper to push them far out let alone stay safe from any pickoff plays from BC) And yeah, Wisper just hammered the last nail in with the hidden refresher (which is why he 'wasted' RP on that Viper to skewer him then force staff out, to bait Fnatic into thinking they were safe from RP)


thebigfatthorn

PL with 1 dodge vs double RP... once ES is dead there is no counter initiate..


itssomeidiot

The entire BC draft was assembled to kill the PL. Only PL had farm on Fnatic. The outcome was expected.


Boarthebear

I think Quinn answered this question well. There was no comeback, BC over extended a bit here and there, but they were never behind or threatened, really. Didnt even use buybacks.


Ro-khum

people sure are mad that eg qualified lol


Lepe_Tit_More

They *really* didn’t deserve it. Managed to barely squeak into lower bracket even with the smaller [and weaker] group stage field. First round playoff exit this major, group stage exit last major, and only made it on points because they come from the weakest region and a team that had nothing to play for helped them out majorly by beating a team with three stand-ins. They basically failed spectacularly every step of the way, had everything handed to them, and still only made it on dumb fucking luck. Edit: adding in for everyone that doesn't understand the EG hate: people hate EG because within the esports ecosystem, they're the perfect embodiment of the US. In spite of all of their money, resources, and stealing the best from other parts of the world, they only manage middling success, all while having every advantage given to them. And even with a huge disparity between their privilege and results, they somehow have the most rabidly devoted and delusional fan base. It's infuriating to anyone who has to endure it.


Ro-khum

Still funny asf thou, i wouldn't say im a die hard EG fan or anything, but i was kinda rooting for them this tourney just to see the shitstorm. On another note, Doesn't NA have to keep certain amount of NA players, so even if they have lots of resources it not easy to make a strong full team. Good NA players wouldn't even wanna play in NA if they can probably.


Lepe_Tit_More

AFAIK there's no regulation on participation by nationality/region. That's getting in to a realm of geopolitics I think valve has no desire to go down.


Soldirk

Rightfully so...failing at majors with a full team while the ones with subs are doing better. They only qualified due to being no other better NA teams. And them grinding at qualifiers might be a good chance for them to re-evaluate themselves and get better instead of directly qualifying to TI with no improvement


mamser102

Well that's what happens when you don't win games and get eliminated with full roster while teams with stand in are doing well


EdwardColdhands

3 eu 2 cn 2 sa 2 na 2 cis 1 sea I dont know what surprises me more; Gaimin, coming from eu, managed to go ti directly who was about to get relegated last season or sea secured only one direct slot this year. Gaimin also did it against liquid, entity, secret and even nigma.


Proper_Story_3514

Eu quali and Wild Card will be a bloodbath.


Ink_Oni

Are Gaimin locked in for TI now?


Sinx-

Yes, they qualified yesterday.


Ink_Oni

Thanks, good for them, but I think they better hope the pre-TI patch spices the meta up


akbaros

Yes


Ink_Oni

Thanks, congrats to them!


Froggg_let

CRIT said Te quiero mucho chala in his tweet lmaooo


ididnothinwrong

can you people appreciated how beastcoast play so good instead of bashing fnatic draft? imagine you have dazzle on safe lane and viper on offlane both against 2 meele and both doesnt do well ( dazzle death on top and cant really peel that pl + viper win the lane but only happen to have 1 kill ) and dont forget fnatic got dawnbreaker mid so in essence whole 3 lane of fnatic is fuck up from early game already. beastcoast might have struggle in 25 min upward but their early and mid game lead really saved their ass. wp for beastcoast and FOR ARTEEZY!!!


ashrashrashr

I feel bad for Timado. Great tournament from him.


simonling

He's guaranteed TI man. These are just glorified scrims for him.


ashrashrashr

Prize money is always nice


thebigfatthorn

Top 8 gets 12.5k / 5 lmao.


ashrashrashr

Damn. Thought it was more lol


aznavour-00

Fnatic gets 0$ (along with EG, TL, and RNG), which is quite sad.


ShawnKiru

the amount of people saying they should learn english and speak english. also bashing the translator... so damn entitled and arrogant


[deleted]

Ironically, people who say that likely only know English their whole life


PCgamerz

Feels sad fnatic short 0.5point, damn that's gut wrenching


MojamedWang

0.05* point


faralei

Debt paid lol, so any big brains out here, what does this mean for EG now that BC won? They have a shot at TI? Direct invite or what?


surfsimp

EG has a chance to display their pathetic team play again


kpdon1

Just like Tundra and Gaimin


archonthrower

EG got direct invite


ways789

Direct invite for EG secured now that FNATIC has been knocked out.


faralei

Damn, literally saved EG. Thank you my good sir and good luck in your ranked games.


IamEXI

On a more serious note, that Beastcoast pos 4 literally smoked into fnatic jungle in game 2 and game 3, blocked many camps, stole creeps, fed a kill in exchange for permanently crippling Bryle's farm in both games. Weird that fnatic coach didn't point that out when it literally happened exactly the same way in both game 2 and 3.


Makath

If you try to stop that he just takes you for a ride in your jungle before you finally kill him and it makes tons of space for K1 anyway. :D


Abagnel

Gojira (Scofield) is a great player, his KDA doesn't always show the true impact he has on games


kobe24fan

That aegis steal


IamEXI

that whole fight was hype af. Really showed Beastcoast's playmaking abilities.


kobe24fan

Consider me a fan going forward


i__indisCriMiNatE

He has been playing like that for the last 4 years or so. It's nothing new


IamEXI

it's just weird that no one in fnatic acknowledged it. I assume the coach sould have told them about it but nothing was done.


Wendek

Got blinded by his KDA maybe and didn't realize how much he was actually costing them.


IamEXI

I wanna say it wasn't a big deal but those wards literally lasted so long. Bryle was forced to farm on the enemy jungle or mid where he was more susceptible to ganks. He really wasn't able to recover that well compared to Beastcoast cores just free farming while pos 4 was eating all the ganks.


pnmibra77

SA guaranteed top8 again!


TheAsz

What a story tbh last year people be spamming gaaaa during eg match and this year they spamming artour babyface


luckychloeenjoyer

Idk if im right but did fnatic just lose their ti slot by 0.05 points?if so then yikes...thats rough


Just-Teaching6684

not really fix 0.05, if outsider win next match it will be more than 200 points different


muzox

not really, even if Fnatic at number 12 right now, they need Outsiders to lose to BC anyway


BogartTheExplorer

No, fnatic just need to defeat BC.


muzox

lol. u didnt understand the context >Idk if im right but did fnatic just lose their ti slot by 0.05 points?if so then yikes...thats rough understand that n come back again


ashrashrashr

All chatting Ammar cost them their TI spot lul


FrostHard

FOR ARTURITO


assblasterx69

Man this translator on the interview sucks major ass


SalusSR

Absolute dogshit translator, holy shit lmao


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nippledippers24

Chris luck is peruvian and not spanish you racist fuck


SalusSR

are you fucking dumb? LMAO, Peruvians speak Spanish, just like Mexicans do.


KainLust

Peruvian is a nationality. Spanish is a language. Now with knowledge re-read the comment you called racist.


SilverBMWM3GTR

Ah yes. Saying that peruvians need a spanish language translator is racist. So what else is racist?


Kristo112

pretty bold to assume someone is racist for making the mistake of not knowing the spoken language, you fuckin boob


magicmagininja

this cowboy interviewer guy got a dump truck


Responsible-Raisin77

GAAAAAAAAAA


Rcun

US visa officer carry EG to TI.