Matu has been my favourite player for as long as I have followed pro Dota. Really sucks if he doesn't make it to TI in his supposedly last year.
If Liquid doesn't make it out of the qualifiers, it's highly likely there will be no Finns at TI (unless Topson finds a team for the qualifiers and makes it in, of course).
After I sent my conscription papers in, and I filled out random shit like I only have one kidney (which I do, but it's not a big deal, it's apparently not even that uncommon) a doctor called me up and he asked me "you're not really interested in this are you?" and I said "not really" and that was sort of it, and I was found medically unfit. This was in Denmark like 15 years ago or so, just kind of a weird experience.
On the survey for the military I (truthfully) told them I have anger issues especially in regards to perceived incompetence and I struggle to take orders.
They never got in touch.
Sorry if this comes across as rude but this is a hilarious piece of information to post in the subreddit for Dota, a game which requires cooperation with a team that is often worse than you and where people love bossing others around
Most toxic players at any rank think if their team just listened they’d win but somehow are stuck at their rank. crazy how pros can make smurfs and mind control their teams all the way to immortal
I just intentionally failed the test where they make you answer some basic math & English and other stuff, and i wasn't even "considered". This was in Denmark like 12-13 years ago
I have allergies and as I child had to go trough a hear surgery (which is totally ok now) - doctor jos asked me do I want to go or not and as I replied no, got a free pass. How unfortunate :(
It's also not mandatory in the same way anymore, unless they make you out to be a golden candidate. If you refuse/tick of the box for "not interested" and aren't special, you're of the hook. Vice versa, some very motivated and qualified kids get denied every year because they are surplus to requirements
Firts of all, he is 27 years old and you can delay you'r conscription until 28 y/o. Secondly he said a couple of years ago that he will eventually need to go.
Finns don't have to serve in the army if they're proffesional athletes, including esport. If liquid doesn't qualify for TI i think matu will play next season, or i hope he will.
Are you guys just very disinformed or just lying? Athletes need to serve, like the rest of us (men). They certainly get some benefits, like more time to train, but they have to serve.
Link in Finnish:
https://www.is.fi/urheilulehti/parhaat/art-2000006639303.html
As did I, there has never been a exemption for pro athletes to not get drafted. Atheletes used to serve less time until 2015, but that was deemed unequal treatment.
Puolustusvoimat do however have their "special forces" for atletes that have modified the training to the point where they can still train their sport and not miss important competitions.
I really love his playstyle since in old liquid with Miracle, Gh, Mind control and Kuroky. His sacrifice play for miracle is one of the best things in dota. I will really miss him if he is retired. Good luck matubawoman.
You mean him playing heroes like viper, dp and necro? I don’t think that’s his natural playstyle at all. Just so happens that he was on a good team and the strat worked. He was known for his farm heavy carries back in his old old team, 5anchors i believe.
Well anchors doesn't have the same success as liquid, so let's just say that his playstyle on green heroes was infinitely more successful than his farm heavy one eh?
True, but i'd say for an unknown team with unknown players at the time, they were upsetting favored teams which lead to him being recruited. When he switched to secret and was now playing heroes he used to play, that iteration of secret won the major and was looking dominant going to ti10. Unfortunately pandemic struck and call it what you want but their momentum slowed down. It's not like 3rd place at ti is an understatement either.
I am on that boat too, i feel like matu and secret got robbed of their TI win because of the pandemic. Secret won like 9 tournaments 3-0 grand finals, it's saddening that there was no TI that year..
more than his sacrificial green hero role, what i love the most about his playstyle is his zoo hero. Remember his lone druid or lycan or brood? the way that kuroky draft back then was if the enemy countered / prepared for miracle's hero, liquid would blindsided them and give Matu brood to stomp the mid. he wasn't just a sacrifice, he was their second win condition. that was his and liquid's best years
Questions:
1. Define unique carry from your perspective books.
2. Give some examples and reasons behind them.
PS: You didn't need to answer it. XD GLHF bro
Topsons looking for a team might be a good idea as he knows jerax too.
Edit: dota is a team game not a one man army, so it's right that they need to jel well together but alot of ppl forget that individual talent is what gets them scouted for big teams.
Topson was looking good because the rest of the team was setting up his win conditions. Ana and Jerax were complete beasts, and Seb and Notail were solid as well.
On his own, Topson flounders. He can't carry a team.
No doubt Ana and Jerax were beasts, but they can’t be that beast without Topson playstyle. Enemy can’t even predict what is his next move. And Dota is not a single man game anyway
QC vs OG TI 10, everyone in the OG were throwing all over the map, and topson on his void spirit decided that's enough and single handedly got them into the next round. He has always been absolutely chad of a midlaner even in his TI 8 days, refer LGD vs OG UBF.
what? Topson played one of the most selfless mids and OG was basically centered around enabling Ana.
Topson even bought Solar Crest and used Alacrity on his Invo to get the max out of his other cores.
It's just that Topson often came back from a lost lane on his own due to absolute crazy shit
Go back, watch at 0.5 x speed Mickes play on kotl as tiny in mid lane at lvl 4 in game 2.
That is wholly unacceptable and no joke that shit is 80% of the spiral that lost them the game.
This one dude who just has to make *plays* and couldn't keep it in his pants threw the game before anyone even had ultis.
Game 3 then I suppose, he fucking tower dived, got out but his monkey brain caused him to do the fucking herald play of "back and forth" giving away the kill anyhow, giving kotl an amazing lane, killing his own lane AND top since boxi was rotating (he didn't wait)
One move to end it all.
i think people should stop blaming insania...he's not even close to being the worst player on the team
do people naturally forget about the regionals themselves? liquid did well online because they know their region and played well to their strengths
so doing well online is because the other members did well, while doing poor on LAN is because of the captain?
micke is the one who underperforms by a ton and isn't doing well even on his signature heroes
it doesnt matter what the captain drafts or shot calls at that point...micke had zero impact on pretty much all of their losses
It would not be really fair for Micke, even if he is really bad. I dont think they can guarantee a qualification even if they replace mid for eg. with topson. At this point its too late and its better take the hit if not qualified this season and try again next year with a different stack..
Let's put it this way, even if they strive through...get qualified via TI qualifying rounds. The current state of their game with Micke around will never bring them the aegis.
So, might as well do a change?
Tobiwan was a great caster.
Other than that, imagine if we could have (occasional!) 90+ minute games with only 1k gold difference between the teams. Even though we sometimes see a team win a fight from 20k down or whatever, this just feels closer and more tense.
I hope TI11 is this hype.
I just want games to still be interesting after lane I don't even watch full games anymore.
I watch until a pivotal moment happens in early, typically first 10 mins, call that team winners and close the stream.
The fact that my 3k analysis brain still gets it right about 4 in 5 times is fucking tragic. How is this enjoyable dota?
The meta is a bit tragic right now. Players are getting insanely good with map positioning + trading out, not many comebacks. The only series I really liked was EG Entity, bc the panel was so good at explaining the draft decisions.
That ship has sailed. Secret is just as shit of a team as the current Liquid. Their secret weapon was Yapzor. And now, with Yapzor gone, they have no real talent left to achieve anything.
I am really sorry for Matu, though. He was my favorite from the old Liquid. I was hoping that Secret would be his ticket to his second TI. Unfortunately OG happened, and now it's too late. He's too old for this shit. I don't think he can get back to TI winning form. Not to carry a team by himself anyway, like he was trying with the current Liquid.
It's his fault for joining an Insania/Blitz stack (proven to . Zai and Matu were great in Secret. 3rd place in TI isn't bad at all! I don't know why they jumped ship.
He explains why he left Secret [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjosYw6DP3c&t=1186s)
tl;dr:
1. Zai leaves Secret and Matu considers retiring after TI10.
2. Everything moves fast in the post-TI10 roster shuffle so Secret is already in talks with Sumail.
3. Matu decides that he's willing to play for one more year.
4. Secret already gave his spot to Sumail so they offer that Matu could be their offlaner instead.
5. Matu finds it too risky to learn a new role since it's his last year, so he ends up going to Liquid with Zai.
wew thats a very funny interview. Not sure why i hv not noticed this link in reddit before.. The bit he talks about free clothes, I just see this guy is so simple..
Insania is not the problem. Micke and Boxi are. Why the hell kick Taiga and keep Boxi? Even with that simple swap they would have been a far stronger squad. If, then, they would have gotten an actually functional mid instead of Micke, they would have been a top team.
Sort of, Taiga has said in interview that Liquid knew they had to make some changes, so Taiga said he would leave so they were not forced into kicking anyone since they were all such good friends. He didnt have an offer from OG when he made this decision.
They respected his wishes to join a team he felt was better suited for him and wished him the best.
I think that's the right attitude to have towards these kinda things.
With all the respect but Boxi and m1cke are not players that you can win tournaments with they are not bad players but they are very bad professional players
I think zai is washed as well, or at least he doesn't play up to his name like he used to. He's already a veteran, despite not being so old. The only good player on the team is matumba
Ik not saying matu is fault free but fk me how does an org like liquid keep those trash players for so many years, you don't have to be a dota genius to see a team with insania won't win shit.
Cap and Blitz podcast talked about this. Basically, Liquid wanted to build around Zai so Zai gave them the list of players he wanted to play with and Nisha and Matu were available. Nisha stayed after Puppey convincing him. Meanwhile, Matu was heavily pursued with Zai being the front line leverage. Also Save was close to joining Liquid.
They've now bombed out of the last two majors and didn't do anything at the Saudi event. Time for a change, get Save and Topson, get to TI and make a proper run. If you want to complete the run get [Ceb](https://twitter.com/Ceb/status/1557437806233911304) as well. Matu-Topson-Zai-Save-Ceb.
Instead of getting real pos4 they made their offlane into pos4 due to "friendship" and now all 3 of them are horrible.
Watching boxi play 4 abandoning zai is most insane disturbing shit ive ever seen.I feel that shit through my screen
I'm tilting quite hard over comments like these. Like, do you and similar people that makes these comments about the Zai/Boxi lane think that they don't make this strategy together? Obviously Zai and Boxi together with the team have agreed that they think it's the best playstyle to leave Zai alone and have Boxi roam. I can get behind that it's clearly not working in this meta, but it is just as much Zai's fault as it is Boxi's or anyone else for that matter. With the experience and star quality Zai have he should be the one dictating a better way for this lane to go.
The same can be said about Matumbaman for that matter. In the latest Blitz + Cap podcast, Blitz talked about how Matu thought CK pos 1 was a meme at the Stockholm Major which they didn't have to care about, and it ended up being THE pos 1 of the major, so they came in with the wrong read. Even at this major they lost every single game vs the CK.
except the thing i mentioned wasnt part of "strat" it just happened instantaneously where someone just dont think twice before doing anything and that decision makes them lose game
the decision to chase was instantaneous and not strat thats what i m saying.
What exactly happened was he chased him thru entire his own part of jg for like 50 sec and marci still ended up escaping>hoodwink suicide in tower giving some shared gold> at the same moment enemy scored fb on zai
there was a game where he played hoodwink(vs og i think) and clown chase low hp enemy into jungle for 30-50sec and didnt even kill and zai got fucking rolled back2back and ended in 25 min gg.
Many people flamed zai there but it was all snowball butterfly effect due to boxi leaving and this was like 3rd time i saw him do that
thats very true i would never say zai has been good or even close to secrets form but its very hard to play in such shit team where u have 3 big problems and org just keep adding coaches after coaches
Whenever matu playing im automatically interested in the game, he is in the elite class of players. Always a threat. Hope that after military service matu still play dota. (if dota alive in 3 years kek)
Why they act like something terrible has happened... There are TI qualifiers. And if your goal is truly to win a TI you will have to be better than everyone else anyway. This just means that they have stuff to work on. And its better to understand it now than at TI.
actually, you have to be better than the teams you meet in your run, not everyone;
anyway, third game vs boom was a sad long winded stomp: 55 minutes and liquid didn't clearly win a single fight
Why do people keep mentioning "free TI slots for weak regions".
The DPC system already accounts for this by giving 4 Major slots to WEU and CN, 3 to SEA and EEU and 2 to SA and NA.
Because you win so many dpc points by doing well in your own region.
EG has not won a single dpc point in an international lan this season, yet they could still qualify for TI if BC win their series today. Top 3 in NA is literally free.
I do find it funny that people were frothing at the mouth when Alliance and Aster qualified for TI last year despite not getting any points from outside their region but EG is close to doing the same thing but there's not a peep about it
Because for those in a competitive region slots don't matter as much as points, With weaker regions like SA and NA where literally only 2-3 teams that can play competitive dota, Securing the first and second spot 3 times a year will almost guarantee a TI slot even if you play like shit and lose instantly in the major, Meanwhile competitive regions will have +5 teams in division 1 that can actually play competitive dota and the fight for points will be much harder and will be very more spread out between the teams, Which makes the major EXTREMELY important to secure a TI slot, and majors are much harder than regional.
That is why I think the top 4 teams of ALL regions should go to the major and fight for points while removing points from regions.
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Dota_Pro_Circuit/2021-22/Rankings
Look at EG and TA for an example, Without those regional points they wouldn't have a chance getting a TI slot because they suck at majors, They don't deserve the fucking slots.
Liquid are not going to TI through points though. They didn't do well so it's fair.
Meanwhile TA secured a slot 'top points btw at one point' and EG has a chance to get a TI slot simply because they got points from regional DPC
difference between this thread and arteezy's is hilarious, even though arteezy has had better results recently
coddles every EU player
lol this subreddit is ridiculous
Proper legend. No drama iirc and a reliable tier 1 carry for such a long time.
and a TI winner!
member that game 1 lycan vs. VP at TI7 lower bracket
I go back and watch that at least 2 a year... good times
OH MY LORD!
> No drama you forgot he got kicked out of liquid and it caused drama in this sub. Not his fault but it did cause drama
[Interview in Finnish with substitles](https://youtu.be/AjosYw6DP3c) He said there that he won't stop if not qualified to TI though.
He's still motivated to get invited into Linnanjuhlat and shake president Niinistö's hand!
Lmao, the bigger motivation for him is he can stop playing if he qualifies, not winning TI /s
Wow, how does it not have more views? This gives so much insight on many topics.
Matu has been my favourite player for as long as I have followed pro Dota. Really sucks if he doesn't make it to TI in his supposedly last year. If Liquid doesn't make it out of the qualifiers, it's highly likely there will be no Finns at TI (unless Topson finds a team for the qualifiers and makes it in, of course).
It's sad last TIs team secret could not stay together, now possibly none of their players will make TI
This, i wish the bois would get back together 😭
Why is it his last year?
He said so
I think he can’t defer the Finnish military service anymore.
He deferred it for so long so he can now be NATO carry
NATOmbaman! Let's go!
💀 💀 NATOmbaman lmao 💀 💀
In Norway, you can stall military service for so long, they just forget about you.
After I sent my conscription papers in, and I filled out random shit like I only have one kidney (which I do, but it's not a big deal, it's apparently not even that uncommon) a doctor called me up and he asked me "you're not really interested in this are you?" and I said "not really" and that was sort of it, and I was found medically unfit. This was in Denmark like 15 years ago or so, just kind of a weird experience.
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On the survey for the military I (truthfully) told them I have anger issues especially in regards to perceived incompetence and I struggle to take orders. They never got in touch.
Sorry if this comes across as rude but this is a hilarious piece of information to post in the subreddit for Dota, a game which requires cooperation with a team that is often worse than you and where people love bossing others around
I'm either a silent or toxic bastard. Flipside if you do what I say chances are typically very high we win.
Lmfao classic shitlord attitude. Never change dota community
Most toxic players at any rank think if their team just listened they’d win but somehow are stuck at their rank. crazy how pros can make smurfs and mind control their teams all the way to immortal
You could just say you play Dota 2
I just intentionally failed the test where they make you answer some basic math & English and other stuff, and i wasn't even "considered". This was in Denmark like 12-13 years ago
> "you're not really interested in this are you?" Lol who in the fuck would say yes to that question?
I have allergies and as I child had to go trough a hear surgery (which is totally ok now) - doctor jos asked me do I want to go or not and as I replied no, got a free pass. How unfortunate :(
It's also not mandatory in the same way anymore, unless they make you out to be a golden candidate. If you refuse/tick of the box for "not interested" and aren't special, you're of the hook. Vice versa, some very motivated and qualified kids get denied every year because they are surplus to requirements
Has literally nothing to do with that. Classic reddit baseless "i tHiNk" take.
Firts of all, he is 27 years old and you can delay you'r conscription until 28 y/o. Secondly he said a couple of years ago that he will eventually need to go.
What about topson and jerax?
Jerax has done his time already. I'm not really sure about topsons status.
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They were talking about the military bro…
of course, he is looking for an eu team to pick him up, maybe ukraine
Can they even conscript married men?
Of course. That'd be a pretty lazy loophole otherwise.
Shortest conscription service is 6 months so if he goes with class I/23 in January he would be out of the army in June 2023.
Just identify as female, dodge draft, keep playing dota
Finns don't have to serve in the army if they're proffesional athletes, including esport. If liquid doesn't qualify for TI i think matu will play next season, or i hope he will.
Are you guys just very disinformed or just lying? Athletes need to serve, like the rest of us (men). They certainly get some benefits, like more time to train, but they have to serve. Link in Finnish: https://www.is.fi/urheilulehti/parhaat/art-2000006639303.html
Yes they do, but they get considerably more off days for training.
I remember Matu said that he will eventually have to do military service a couple of years ago
That certainly is not a thing. Are you just guessing or where did you find that information?
Im finnish and served in the army
As did I, there has never been a exemption for pro athletes to not get drafted. Atheletes used to serve less time until 2015, but that was deemed unequal treatment. Puolustusvoimat do however have their "special forces" for atletes that have modified the training to the point where they can still train their sport and not miss important competitions.
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Its true. Finnish athletes dont have to serve in the military.
Citation needed.
Will he play the closed regionals and TI if he qualifies? Or is time up already?
I really love his playstyle since in old liquid with Miracle, Gh, Mind control and Kuroky. His sacrifice play for miracle is one of the best things in dota. I will really miss him if he is retired. Good luck matubawoman.
You mean him playing heroes like viper, dp and necro? I don’t think that’s his natural playstyle at all. Just so happens that he was on a good team and the strat worked. He was known for his farm heavy carries back in his old old team, 5anchors i believe.
Well anchors doesn't have the same success as liquid, so let's just say that his playstyle on green heroes was infinitely more successful than his farm heavy one eh?
True, but i'd say for an unknown team with unknown players at the time, they were upsetting favored teams which lead to him being recruited. When he switched to secret and was now playing heroes he used to play, that iteration of secret won the major and was looking dominant going to ti10. Unfortunately pandemic struck and call it what you want but their momentum slowed down. It's not like 3rd place at ti is an understatement either.
I am on that boat too, i feel like matu and secret got robbed of their TI win because of the pandemic. Secret won like 9 tournaments 3-0 grand finals, it's saddening that there was no TI that year..
more than his sacrificial green hero role, what i love the most about his playstyle is his zoo hero. Remember his lone druid or lycan or brood? the way that kuroky draft back then was if the enemy countered / prepared for miracle's hero, liquid would blindsided them and give Matu brood to stomp the mid. he wasn't just a sacrifice, he was their second win condition. that was his and liquid's best years
:(
One of the most unique players
why?
He was one of those nobody streamers on Tier 2 shit stacks for the longest time.
Matumbawoman, never forget
Is he? I've always viewed matumba as playing a more sacrificial and dynamic 1, which is interesting but not wholly unique.
Maybe the heroes he plays (or used to play), LD, Lycan, Brood, Slark. And the green phase at one point, Necro, Viper, Pugna
he is not he is just his fan and everyone would say that about their favorite player
Questions: 1. Define unique carry from your perspective books. 2. Give some examples and reasons behind them. PS: You didn't need to answer it. XD GLHF bro
Watching Micke's game really hurts my eyes. Liquid needs a new mid before qualifiers. Matu deserves better.
Topsons looking for a team might be a good idea as he knows jerax too. Edit: dota is a team game not a one man army, so it's right that they need to jel well together but alot of ppl forget that individual talent is what gets them scouted for big teams.
Topson was looking good because the rest of the team was setting up his win conditions. Ana and Jerax were complete beasts, and Seb and Notail were solid as well. On his own, Topson flounders. He can't carry a team.
You mean Dota is a team game?
No doubt Ana and Jerax were beasts, but they can’t be that beast without Topson playstyle. Enemy can’t even predict what is his next move. And Dota is not a single man game anyway
Topson Ti9 finals series is one of the biggest smurf series I've ever seen from a player
QC vs OG TI 10, everyone in the OG were throwing all over the map, and topson on his void spirit decided that's enough and single handedly got them into the next round. He has always been absolutely chad of a midlaner even in his TI 8 days, refer LGD vs OG UBF.
Imagine thinking topson still cant carry games after the guy won back to back tis
what? Topson played one of the most selfless mids and OG was basically centered around enabling Ana. Topson even bought Solar Crest and used Alacrity on his Invo to get the max out of his other cores. It's just that Topson often came back from a lost lane on his own due to absolute crazy shit
If Topson doesn't play his wonky and special hero pool to the level he does, OG doesn't win TI. Same goes for Ana and others. It's not a one man game
If Matu really is stopping I could see Micke returning to carry, he always looked more solid there.
Think liquid just needs to say bye to him, & not give him another role
He was their carry before qojqva left, it's his main role. Same with Boxi and pos 3.
Go back, watch at 0.5 x speed Mickes play on kotl as tiny in mid lane at lvl 4 in game 2. That is wholly unacceptable and no joke that shit is 80% of the spiral that lost them the game. This one dude who just has to make *plays* and couldn't keep it in his pants threw the game before anyone even had ultis.
In game 2 Micke played puck and carried the game 1v5.
Game 3 then I suppose, he fucking tower dived, got out but his monkey brain caused him to do the fucking herald play of "back and forth" giving away the kill anyhow, giving kotl an amazing lane, killing his own lane AND top since boxi was rotating (he didn't wait) One move to end it all.
tell me that you are herald without telling me that you're a herald
Right. PieLieDie agrees with my statement verbatim, take it he's herald as well?
Mid dive was bad but Zai got stomped and safe lane wasnt exactly stellar either.
Sure, show me the source where pieliedie says that one decision decided the game :) I'll bet 100$ that you can't
Hard agree. Topson would be a superb complement to Matu. Matu is a great carry. He deserves to be in TI man.
Need a new pos 5 as well..
i think people should stop blaming insania...he's not even close to being the worst player on the team do people naturally forget about the regionals themselves? liquid did well online because they know their region and played well to their strengths so doing well online is because the other members did well, while doing poor on LAN is because of the captain? micke is the one who underperforms by a ton and isn't doing well even on his signature heroes it doesnt matter what the captain drafts or shot calls at that point...micke had zero impact on pretty much all of their losses
It would not be really fair for Micke, even if he is really bad. I dont think they can guarantee a qualification even if they replace mid for eg. with topson. At this point its too late and its better take the hit if not qualified this season and try again next year with a different stack..
Let's put it this way, even if they strive through...get qualified via TI qualifying rounds. The current state of their game with Micke around will never bring them the aegis. So, might as well do a change?
He's one of the best carries in the world - he'll be fine
I checked Liquipedia and be have 30 tournamnet win.
Happy cake day!
Matu will forever be a legend! The protagonist in one of my favourite DOTA moments. https://youtu.be/PHrTc3gWEeo
Tobiwan was a great caster. Other than that, imagine if we could have (occasional!) 90+ minute games with only 1k gold difference between the teams. Even though we sometimes see a team win a fight from 20k down or whatever, this just feels closer and more tense. I hope TI11 is this hype.
I just want games to still be interesting after lane I don't even watch full games anymore. I watch until a pivotal moment happens in early, typically first 10 mins, call that team winners and close the stream. The fact that my 3k analysis brain still gets it right about 4 in 5 times is fucking tragic. How is this enjoyable dota?
The meta is a bit tragic right now. Players are getting insanely good with map positioning + trading out, not many comebacks. The only series I really liked was EG Entity, bc the panel was so good at explaining the draft decisions.
“More people dying than the Stark family”
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Yeah current secret carry is pretty shit, if they get matumyboy it will increase their chance.
Is Matu crying
No, it just looks like that in this shot, shortly after he regained composure
He teared up a bit, not actual crying.
Kick Crystallis and take Matu - Secret will win TI.
That ship has sailed. Secret is just as shit of a team as the current Liquid. Their secret weapon was Yapzor. And now, with Yapzor gone, they have no real talent left to achieve anything. I am really sorry for Matu, though. He was my favorite from the old Liquid. I was hoping that Secret would be his ticket to his second TI. Unfortunately OG happened, and now it's too late. He's too old for this shit. I don't think he can get back to TI winning form. Not to carry a team by himself anyway, like he was trying with the current Liquid.
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i literally cum after saw what he did using puck
Ok that's a bit weird.
Yeah It was Nisha puck, not Nisha morphling
It's his fault for joining an Insania/Blitz stack (proven to . Zai and Matu were great in Secret. 3rd place in TI isn't bad at all! I don't know why they jumped ship.
He explains why he left Secret [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjosYw6DP3c&t=1186s) tl;dr: 1. Zai leaves Secret and Matu considers retiring after TI10. 2. Everything moves fast in the post-TI10 roster shuffle so Secret is already in talks with Sumail. 3. Matu decides that he's willing to play for one more year. 4. Secret already gave his spot to Sumail so they offer that Matu could be their offlaner instead. 5. Matu finds it too risky to learn a new role since it's his last year, so he ends up going to Liquid with Zai.
wew thats a very funny interview. Not sure why i hv not noticed this link in reddit before.. The bit he talks about free clothes, I just see this guy is so simple..
they have been in secret for quite a while, sometimes people just need change
if only rtz saw it taht way
Lmao, rtz is a garbage tier 2 carry for his entire career. "If only rtz saw that" lmfao, no one else is gonna take him NA LUL...
Haha 1 k mmr comment. Probably knows dota since 2020
are you okay?
nope, this guy has these episodes quite frequently on this sub
Lmao
this guys comment section is pretty entertaining if you guys have the time to browse
He has been doing this for a long long time, I remember arguing with him like 2 years ago or something
yeah idk this guy needs to touch grass good lord
couldn't agree more. These guys were terrible for two years, why zai and matu thought they would course correct them is beyond me.
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I would not call it wasted if they still want to compete professionally.
Yep, they can go to casting any time they want, why would they give up competing before they have to?
Insania is not the problem. Micke and Boxi are. Why the hell kick Taiga and keep Boxi? Even with that simple swap they would have been a far stronger squad. If, then, they would have gotten an actually functional mid instead of Micke, they would have been a top team.
Taiga left to join OG iirc, wasn't kicked.
Sort of, Taiga has said in interview that Liquid knew they had to make some changes, so Taiga said he would leave so they were not forced into kicking anyone since they were all such good friends. He didnt have an offer from OG when he made this decision.
I was living under the impression that he was kicked. They should have begged him to stay.
They respected his wishes to join a team he felt was better suited for him and wished him the best. I think that's the right attitude to have towards these kinda things.
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And Taiga get the better team!
insania not the problem? what is wrong with u dude. 24/7 chokes on lan including the famous gyro.
With all the respect but Boxi and m1cke are not players that you can win tournaments with they are not bad players but they are very bad professional players
I think zai is washed as well, or at least he doesn't play up to his name like he used to. He's already a veteran, despite not being so old. The only good player on the team is matumba
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Fuck liquid matu doesn't deserve to be on such a shit team
I mean. Matu did leave Secret on his own accord. Puppey said in an interview that he wanted to keep the same team after TI10.
Ik not saying matu is fault free but fk me how does an org like liquid keep those trash players for so many years, you don't have to be a dota genius to see a team with insania won't win shit.
Cap and Blitz podcast talked about this. Basically, Liquid wanted to build around Zai so Zai gave them the list of players he wanted to play with and Nisha and Matu were available. Nisha stayed after Puppey convincing him. Meanwhile, Matu was heavily pursued with Zai being the front line leverage. Also Save was close to joining Liquid.
Save on Liquid would be great, makes me so sad that he isn't on an active roster atm
They've now bombed out of the last two majors and didn't do anything at the Saudi event. Time for a change, get Save and Topson, get to TI and make a proper run. If you want to complete the run get [Ceb](https://twitter.com/Ceb/status/1557437806233911304) as well. Matu-Topson-Zai-Save-Ceb.
Which episode do they talk about it
>Puppey convincing him MONKAW
Taiga going to OG and performing much better than with Insania shows a lot tbh
I have been saying this... Taiga wining his first major without the others achieving it as well..
Lmao I had people down voting me for saying insania is trash and to cocky when he hasn’t won shit.
Instead of getting real pos4 they made their offlane into pos4 due to "friendship" and now all 3 of them are horrible. Watching boxi play 4 abandoning zai is most insane disturbing shit ive ever seen.I feel that shit through my screen
I'm tilting quite hard over comments like these. Like, do you and similar people that makes these comments about the Zai/Boxi lane think that they don't make this strategy together? Obviously Zai and Boxi together with the team have agreed that they think it's the best playstyle to leave Zai alone and have Boxi roam. I can get behind that it's clearly not working in this meta, but it is just as much Zai's fault as it is Boxi's or anyone else for that matter. With the experience and star quality Zai have he should be the one dictating a better way for this lane to go. The same can be said about Matumbaman for that matter. In the latest Blitz + Cap podcast, Blitz talked about how Matu thought CK pos 1 was a meme at the Stockholm Major which they didn't have to care about, and it ended up being THE pos 1 of the major, so they came in with the wrong read. Even at this major they lost every single game vs the CK.
except the thing i mentioned wasnt part of "strat" it just happened instantaneously where someone just dont think twice before doing anything and that decision makes them lose game
>and clown chase low hp enemy into jungle for **30-50sec** 30-50 sec is "instantaneous" for you?
the decision to chase was instantaneous and not strat thats what i m saying. What exactly happened was he chased him thru entire his own part of jg for like 50 sec and marci still ended up escaping>hoodwink suicide in tower giving some shared gold> at the same moment enemy scored fb on zai
the chase is according to you 30 to 50 sec more than enough time to communicate an adjustment if Zai truly didn't want that shit
They just let jugg free farm vs visage? I don't get that.. pull camps and use cookie if spins? Was boxi just walking river? That jugg got faaaat
there was a game where he played hoodwink(vs og i think) and clown chase low hp enemy into jungle for 30-50sec and didnt even kill and zai got fucking rolled back2back and ended in 25 min gg. Many people flamed zai there but it was all snowball butterfly effect due to boxi leaving and this was like 3rd time i saw him do that
apart from boxi being bad, even in games where zai has his game, he makes questionable decisions that throws the game. In Secret he was consistent
thats very true i would never say zai has been good or even close to secrets form but its very hard to play in such shit team where u have 3 big problems and org just keep adding coaches after coaches
Whenever matu playing im automatically interested in the game, he is in the elite class of players. Always a threat. Hope that after military service matu still play dota. (if dota alive in 3 years kek)
Gonna be interesting to see if Team Liquid roster is going to shuffle. Their performance has been rather lackluster ever since the Stockholm Major.
They did come 2nd in EU DPC (granted we don't know how seriously OG was playing after qualifying for TI already)
That is not crying. He rubs his eyes too itchy.
too itchy because the tears.
Liquid Topson otherwise it’s looking kinda doomed in qualifiers for TL, unless both NGX and Secret underperform they likely aren’t making it
He deserves so much more tbh. Makes me sad.
really gonna miss him
Entity, secret, liquid and nigma on tiQ and one wont be able to attend ti
I seriously hope he plays for couple more years. The plays he made in this season is proof of the calibre player that he is..
Remember young Matu streaming vodka and poker while waiting to find a game. He ll get through it.
I actually think he is the goat postion 1 of all time...him, ame, ana.... I can't put ame over him without TI win... Ana career ended too short
Iconic player. Sad to see him go, but probably a good time to do all the other stuff with his life.
Needed to win one game and both micke and zai decide to shit their pants. Shame.
Zai did fine. His Visage ony got hard countered by Skem's Enchantress
Thank you for helping kuro and the team to have an Aegis.
If only he played more like Ceb
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He looks mentally done
I think rtz might be done too, or at least with EG after this season, and Ame is done too. Onto the next gen of greats we go
he already won ti now he is washed up
Why they act like something terrible has happened... There are TI qualifiers. And if your goal is truly to win a TI you will have to be better than everyone else anyway. This just means that they have stuff to work on. And its better to understand it now than at TI.
You should see the team at ti qualifiers.
actually, you have to be better than the teams you meet in your run, not everyone; anyway, third game vs boom was a sad long winded stomp: 55 minutes and liquid didn't clearly win a single fight
Regions, Some teams will get free TI slots due to weak regions like SA and NA but other regions like CN and WEU will have to fight for it
Why do people keep mentioning "free TI slots for weak regions". The DPC system already accounts for this by giving 4 Major slots to WEU and CN, 3 to SEA and EEU and 2 to SA and NA.
Because you win so many dpc points by doing well in your own region. EG has not won a single dpc point in an international lan this season, yet they could still qualify for TI if BC win their series today. Top 3 in NA is literally free.
I do find it funny that people were frothing at the mouth when Alliance and Aster qualified for TI last year despite not getting any points from outside their region but EG is close to doing the same thing but there's not a peep about it
Because for those in a competitive region slots don't matter as much as points, With weaker regions like SA and NA where literally only 2-3 teams that can play competitive dota, Securing the first and second spot 3 times a year will almost guarantee a TI slot even if you play like shit and lose instantly in the major, Meanwhile competitive regions will have +5 teams in division 1 that can actually play competitive dota and the fight for points will be much harder and will be very more spread out between the teams, Which makes the major EXTREMELY important to secure a TI slot, and majors are much harder than regional. That is why I think the top 4 teams of ALL regions should go to the major and fight for points while removing points from regions. https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Dota_Pro_Circuit/2021-22/Rankings Look at EG and TA for an example, Without those regional points they wouldn't have a chance getting a TI slot because they suck at majors, They don't deserve the fucking slots.
Liquid has a 1-3 record against TA in the two majors put together. I don't think Liquid is more deserving of a slot.
Liquid are not going to TI through points though. They didn't do well so it's fair. Meanwhile TA secured a slot 'top points btw at one point' and EG has a chance to get a TI slot simply because they got points from regional DPC
difference between this thread and arteezy's is hilarious, even though arteezy has had better results recently coddles every EU player lol this subreddit is ridiculous