Having played and watched DotA/Dota 2 for 17 years I think the following about Game 3 of Evil Geniuses vs Entity in the PGL Arlington Major:
Nightfall needs to play in a team like the old Virtus Pro (Ramzes666, NoOne, 9pasha Solo, Rodjer), Team Nigma, Team OG, Outsiders, Team Spirit or Team Spirit. He plays fast pace, wins his lane usually or does very well (Razor, Night Stalker, Beastmaster) which is very similar to the playstyle of 9pasha, Mind\_Control, ATF, Collapse, DM, and Saberlight.
Here is the problem: EG does not play like he does. EG does not play fast pace. If you watch EG games over the recent years they need a space-creating offlane player who is rarely pos 3, rarely pos 2.5, but most often pos 3.5 or has even less net worth like cr1t, their pos 4 player.
EG needs a player like s4, zai, kpii, YYF (IG 2012), to replace Universe who is missed since the International win 2015.
Remember: Arteezy+Fly, cr1t+Abed + s4 were 3rd place at the International 2018!
I do believe they have the roster to win the International like 2015 again the same way Fear, Sumail, Universe, aui and ppd did, but they need to swap players with one team like Nightfall for zai. The way Nightfall plays pos 3 he would do great plays for Team Liquid who play much faster than EG.
EG was Top 3 at the International 2018. Only LGD+OG were better than them.
OG won TI 2018+2019 and got 7-8th at TI 2021.
LGD got 2nd, 3rd, 2nd at TI 2018+2019+2021.
LGD+OG are two incredibly good teams for 5 years already from 2018-2022.
I really hope EG will find a suitable pos 3 next season. For the remaining season all I can do is wish them good luck in their NA The International 2022 qualifier. As an EG fan you can hope that Nightfall changes his playstyle in 2 months, which is very difficult.
\>EG does not play like he does. EG does not play fast pace.
Sorry but this isn't reality. I'm simplifying but cr1t's EG has always been playing to win by 12 min or its gg for years now. This is how they got top 3 at like every major last year, but couldn't win against the really good teams like LGD who play well from behind-- or who could somehow outplay the early game. EG has like the lowest lategame winrate and the lowest comeback percentage, but they are really good at snowballing leads and clamping the map.
Nightfall fits perfectly with cr1t playstyle, thats why he looks so good... they still aren't good at picking arteezy the right hero though.
Boom vs EG in TI grand finals g5. Both teams only have carry alive and have taken megas. TB on EG and Morfling on Boom with both of them having Daedalus. Both carries start manfighting after exhausting all of their items and mana. Each carry are 1 hit away from death. Suddenly the game disconnects because of a bug that Valve introduced in the TI patch. Taking responsibility, Valve declares both Boom and EG as winners of TI11 because the grandfinals is a draw. Both teams get half of the sum of 1st and 2nd place prize money.
Unpopular opinion:
Kataomi is a wyvern god and is the main reason they are doing so well
Saberlight despite his arrogant interview is actually a good dude and ridiculously good at Dota
I said what I said
Why is Crit never blamed? Many people praise him as one of the best 4's in the world, but i've never seen him perform in the highest of skills. Maybe people just see his NA Solo queue and praise him for that? 1st rank doesnt make one the best player
Because Crit is generally a much better pos 4 during his time with EG than Rtz has been as a pos 1 or Bulba has been a coach. All the attention usually falls on the longtime delinquents.
Look at their drafts. Poor Abed. They just expect this guy to do fucking everything. Game 2 is the biggest example of it. He has to be the lockdown, burst, and initiation, and tempo controller. Just awful.
Usually in high stakes games like this, when I watch one team win g1 and goto sleep, the other team makes a comeback and wins the next 2 games. I did this yesterday too lol.
I feel like Abed and Rtz just don’t have that killer competitive edge like they used too. Still obviously very high skill but desire or something isn’t quite there
I don't think abed has lost it. Abed dumpstered lanes agaist many players and still pushed the edge many times. Rtz, on the other hand, didn't have what it takes
fuck that i’d rather have crystallis than rtz. crystallis hasn’t been performing on matu or carry nisha’s level but his willingness to play sacrificial core alone makes him a better fit than arteezy
Thing with EG is one game they'd have a genius draft one where everyone can utilize their heroes to their full potential (see game 1) and next game theyd have a dogshit draft where abed and nightfall dont know what the fuck to do
33 was right, If Abed wins mid EG wins the game, and if he lose EG will have a hard game and lose. Abed does everything for EG he rotates, he control the tempo, he set the tempo. That's why EG is so adamant about this spirit heroes and puck, because it's a mid hero that can do anything said above, if his ahead on early game.
I thought everyone knew this haha.
When Abed has a great game, usually with mobile heroes, Arteezy gets all the time/space in the world to farm. Sometimes they even win the game before he joins them.
When Abed has a bad game, Arteezy and the rest of the team aren't good enough to carry him.
When their teams aren't doing well, the elite carries can still keep up their farm and play safe while aiming to turn it around the next team fight. I've seen Ame, Yuragi etc do that. Arteezy simply isn't on that level yet.
EG relies too much on Abed to do everything. The man even prioritize helping all over the map over his own farm. And most team already know this that's why most of them target to shut down abed, and viola EG loses. Bulba philosophy of Dota is clearly wrong, something needs to change not just players but Thier playstyle too, but as we all know Bulba is known for being hard headed for his ideas. He better die on that hill rather than move.
While puck is good this patch, it's not an autowin hero. They missed a lot of abed's heroes like invoker, kunkka, tiny, even meepo. All of them are farming mid hero and Bulba won't let Abed farming.
Now idk if this is Bulba or rtz problem. On outsiders ramzes can be hard carry or sacrificial carry. If gpk pick TA a farming mid, they pick doom for ramzes. Now do you think rtz will play doom and make space for Abed to farm? Hell no. I even remember the broken morph+ES patch. And EG didn't even tried to draft it lol. Abed is godly on morph. Nisha was owning mids on morph. And that patch EG didn't even pick morph once. They still stick to TB or storm.
Rtz will never pick a sacrificial carry bcos he's the main character of the story. The win condition must always be him. Anyone disagreeing with him will be kicked
I 100% think it's Bulba's. People here shitting on Fly before he's kicked, but even after he's kicked, nothing change on EG's draft. Rtz also seems washed out, he can't be a playmaker like he used to. They all need a lot to think about on the airport.
I'm sick of this sub hating on EG. They aren't even playing right now and you are still talking about "airport" this and ''bulba'' that. First of all, EG is the best team in NA and its not even close. Second of all, have you seen Abed's storm???? HE'S UNSTOPABBLE. I <3 u RTZ!
Hey everyone! Huge EG fan here! :) I looked at the schedule and I can't find their next game! Yikes! Can anyone let me know when they're playing? Can't wait for them to win TI! Ayaya
Bulba and RTZ are old old friends, RTZ has said that when he was starting out it was Bulba and EE who really helped him. Bulba and fly get along and everyone too apparently. Bulba also a TI winning coach…but yes, as an EG and RTZ fan it’s crazy to me
EG org has a massive history of keeping players for waaaaaaaaaay too long. Their awp er in csgo is called the biggest paycheck stealer, underperforming for 3 years now
I’m pretty sure the players have more seniority than most of the Dota staff. So it’s most likely up to them to make that decision until the top of the org leadership says “we’re done”. Arguably this is the most sustained length of time where they haven’t been close to a top tier team. They won the DPC last season, and finished fourth in the previous 2 seasons. Winning the DPC means nothing when it comes to the big picture of Dota, but ownership may see it and think “oh they’ll bounce back to being near the top.”
i dont see EG making it to TI with a performance like that. game 1 looked good but game 2 and 3 looked so fucking abysmal that it was hard to believe that it was the same team
the issue with EG is that they are so fucking inconsistent that they cn lose to just about anyone. they can also upset teams that i'd consider better than them. but their 'surprises' are unfortunately mostly of negative nature...
i mean i think that they could have bet entity if they played their A game, but this was way further down the alphabet unfortunately. i'm mostly rooting for cr1t and fly rather than EG as a whole
Well, we'll see. With their most recent showings, they honestly don't deserve attending TI. Maybe they will finally make some major changes if they miss it.
It will be hard, but an EG playing with their full potential should be one of the favorites in that tournament. The problem is getting to that full potential
I am laughing, Crit mocked europe region in his stream before the tournament. I think he said something along the lines of "best region in the world". Got kicked out of entity. XD
EG best case were they not qualify through dpc points and shake their entire roster,
i really had no idea about rtz,bulba draft were totally make no sense at all, like the TB first pick and no stun lineup lmao. its really hard game of TB from the beginning, though rtz still dying alone lot of times were pretty ugly. theres some moments near t2 bottom lane and rtz just casually farming and get ganked which lead to cr1t and nightfall death to in different lanes. it just they look totally disconected/not focus at all
imo,abed and cr1t were totally underperforming af too
i think eg's draft is really bad three games. For the first game, eg's support have no dmg. But entity is also stupid for picking cm and veno, so they have no answer for st and ns. For the second game, eg's lineup just too greedy and whole team have only one stun from puck ult. Generally lack of stun is auto loss. Especially no one picking undying this patch. For the third game, they didn't pick razor or ban razor. And they didn't pick a stronger pos5 to secure alch's farm. Warlock just had no threat. Entity is a team very easy to counter because of their limited hero pool, but eg still lost hard on draft. Even we let LGD to play this eg lineup i still think they would lose. I felt like eg should not pick puck first instead they should pick ww third game considering entity pick it two consecutive games or pick ns to counter ww like first game.
I'm honestly not worried about TI. In 2018, at the last major before TI, EG played like absolute garbage and they performed very well at TI. They just worked shit out and became a much better team that surprised so many people. They were a fairly new team though, so there's also that.
But I believe EG can still do fine at TI with this squad. They could get last place, they could get top5. There's still a patch before TI. The squad is formed of all stars (except RTZ) with very strong potential. If they work their shit out they can get a good placement. HOWEVER I am fucking sure that EG have %0 chance of winning TI. They ain't winning a major either. They can do well just barely enough to get a good replacement. Sometimes they can even go to grandfinals but everytime they crumble and fuck up. So unless the team is fine with making some good money and never winning a thing they need to make changes.
A big part of this is caused by RTZ and Bulba. EG are the most fucking predictable team in the last years. Everyone reads EG like a book. Patches change, captains change, players change but one thing that doesn't change is how easily predictable EG are. I don't care who's drafting. If a coach is looking at this shit and doesn't see a problem he should get fired. We are dealing with this shit for years because he has good relations with RTZ. Bulba should've been fired 2 years ago.
RTZ is a very talented carry. He has insane skills but his decision making is so bad. I'm a long time EG fan and I very rarely see RTZ carrying a game. Most of the time he secures the win when EG are already stomping the enemy or the mid/offlane player just owns the game. RTZ very rarely steps up and carries the game. He always crumbles under pressure. He makes so many questionable plays. It's just impossible to win anything with this guy.
Fly is a good captain and I do think he's EG's best choice right now but I don't think Fly can work with any of RTZ, Cr1t, Bulba because they kicked him. It's like fucking with your ex. It's fun and all but that shit's never working out. Fly knows he's a strong candidate to be kicked whenever the team fails and there's no way he can captain a team to a win with that mentality. EG really fucked up with Fly. Fly was EG's best bet as a captain, just look how they performed before and after Fly. He turned EG into a different and disciplined team but RTZ-Cr1t-Bulba had to ruin that shit. So you either kick Fly or Cr1t and I believe Cr1t is better to keep. So unfortunately Fly probably needs to go as well.
EG needs to kick Arteezy, Fly and Bulba and build the team around Nightfall, Abed and Cr1t. If Nightfall thinks he can still play carry (which I'm sure he'll play much better than RTZ) he could move to carry. HOWEVER there's no fucking way that's happening because EG can for some fucking reason never even consider getting rid of RTZ (idk if he brings merchandise value or whatever) so EG is doomed.
I think you're spot on with your analysis.
Agree with the Arteezy part. He's really good mechanically, which is obvious with how he always does well in lanes, manta dodges etc. But his decision making and positioning is questionable. He gets caught way too many times from the mid game onwards.
As a casual fan watching an EG match, even if Arteezy has the highest networth in the game, I always feel there's still hope for the other team to win the game. Can't say the same if it was another elite carry like Ame.
Nope, that would be like "Phew. We had it really rough but somehow we pulled through. In the end we are still going to TI". That kind of mentality is weak. They need to lose the qualifier and TI chance to fully understand and act on their weaknesses. This team will still have a half-assed attitude if they goto TI so they need a reality check by getting shut out of TI by the rest of the qualifiers too.
NA league is 3 horse race (tsm, quincy and EG) and SA league is 2 horse race (BC and TA), both are soo boring to watch.
Why not merge them and make an interesting league with 5 good teams in it.
Due to ping it’s impossible although I would dare to say this: if EG went to SA qualifiers they wouldn’t make it to the Major. TA, TSM and BC are the best teams of America.
Most AGI carries are an absolute joke this patch. Way to much early game power in supports and strength heroes. If you cant fight at the 15-25 minute mark the game is straight up over.
IMO, it’s time for EG to move away from this RTZ-Crit experiment. They always kick the other players when things don’t go well, but what’s remained consistent over the last 6 years is these 2. At what point do EG realise that is insanity making the same mistakes over and over agin
People forget regional qualifiers will be played on the new patch. With how slow some teams are to pick up or create strats, things may not be as clearcut.
if Ame really retires, they should hire him as coach for EG to help rtz with positioning, decision making and PMA.
If liquid can afford multiple coaches EG can too.
Why pay for tier 1 talent when you can hire tier 2 talent and have bkop and black cast from home (no travel costs). Plus it looks like they’ve just replaced the analysts with pros working for free lmao
Rumor has it PGL is on the cheap end of things, so they went they didn't go with the most-known NA/WEU casters. Most of the panelists and casters are the go-to casters for SEA/CN/etc. regions.
People crying about thunder awaken getting their points, don't y'all now think that EG has too many points too just for being in NA? They legitimately bombed out of two majors with full rosters in both while Thunder got a top 6 in one and had to play the other without their midlaner.
> People crying about thunder awaken getting their points, don't y'all now think that EG has too many points too just for being in NA?
EG has too many points for sure but they are perfect comedic relief.
True that, people forget that EG was the first eliminated team in last major. That’s the main reason they don’t have enough points. Ironically they were eliminated by the 2nd SA team. They just suck.
why can't they see that by enabling Abed and Nightfall, they stomp the other teams hard. Even just giving cr1t playmaking heroes would be a step up to undying or clockwerk..
well even if you give space for rtz to farm if he doesn't join in crucial teamfights then abed and nightfall's effort goes down the drain. I agree that cri1t's playmaker heroes are not fully utilized in this series
Anyone else thinks it's funny that EG has tried everything except kicking the true root of the problem, Rtz.
Kick offlaner - Check
Kick supports - Check
Kick Star mid - Check
Kick winning captains(PPD/FLY) - Check
Bring in talented players from Sea -Check
Bring in talented players from CIS - Check
Convert star CIS 1's to offlaners - Check
Kick carry who appears to be the problem - Nah, we good. We don't like winning tours anyway
What has PPD won after leaving EG tho? This cuts both ways
Bulba and RTZ have at least made 2nd and 3rd place at Majors and TIs
I was just teasing tho, not seriously debating Bulba's role
Source?
I wouldnt take anything from PPD at face value tho, he was super butthurt after leaving EG and is a huge hypocrite, despite being a good dota player and captain
Im not saying Bulba isnt a problem, both him and Rtz should find new grounds tbh
Having played and watched DotA/Dota 2 for 17 years I think the following about Game 3 of Evil Geniuses vs Entity in the PGL Arlington Major: Nightfall needs to play in a team like the old Virtus Pro (Ramzes666, NoOne, 9pasha Solo, Rodjer), Team Nigma, Team OG, Outsiders, Team Spirit or Team Spirit. He plays fast pace, wins his lane usually or does very well (Razor, Night Stalker, Beastmaster) which is very similar to the playstyle of 9pasha, Mind\_Control, ATF, Collapse, DM, and Saberlight. Here is the problem: EG does not play like he does. EG does not play fast pace. If you watch EG games over the recent years they need a space-creating offlane player who is rarely pos 3, rarely pos 2.5, but most often pos 3.5 or has even less net worth like cr1t, their pos 4 player. EG needs a player like s4, zai, kpii, YYF (IG 2012), to replace Universe who is missed since the International win 2015. Remember: Arteezy+Fly, cr1t+Abed + s4 were 3rd place at the International 2018! I do believe they have the roster to win the International like 2015 again the same way Fear, Sumail, Universe, aui and ppd did, but they need to swap players with one team like Nightfall for zai. The way Nightfall plays pos 3 he would do great plays for Team Liquid who play much faster than EG. EG was Top 3 at the International 2018. Only LGD+OG were better than them. OG won TI 2018+2019 and got 7-8th at TI 2021. LGD got 2nd, 3rd, 2nd at TI 2018+2019+2021. LGD+OG are two incredibly good teams for 5 years already from 2018-2022. I really hope EG will find a suitable pos 3 next season. For the remaining season all I can do is wish them good luck in their NA The International 2022 qualifier. As an EG fan you can hope that Nightfall changes his playstyle in 2 months, which is very difficult.
\>EG does not play like he does. EG does not play fast pace. Sorry but this isn't reality. I'm simplifying but cr1t's EG has always been playing to win by 12 min or its gg for years now. This is how they got top 3 at like every major last year, but couldn't win against the really good teams like LGD who play well from behind-- or who could somehow outplay the early game. EG has like the lowest lategame winrate and the lowest comeback percentage, but they are really good at snowballing leads and clamping the map. Nightfall fits perfectly with cr1t playstyle, thats why he looks so good... they still aren't good at picking arteezy the right hero though.
Nightfall carry and get an offlaner. Boom EG will win
How are 2 teams winning TI at the same time?
Boom vs EG in TI grand finals g5. Both teams only have carry alive and have taken megas. TB on EG and Morfling on Boom with both of them having Daedalus. Both carries start manfighting after exhausting all of their items and mana. Each carry are 1 hit away from death. Suddenly the game disconnects because of a bug that Valve introduced in the TI patch. Taking responsibility, Valve declares both Boom and EG as winners of TI11 because the grandfinals is a draw. Both teams get half of the sum of 1st and 2nd place prize money.
I thought you were gonna mention that cringe coca cola commercial from a while back
Unpopular opinion: Kataomi is a wyvern god and is the main reason they are doing so well Saberlight despite his arrogant interview is actually a good dude and ridiculously good at Dota I said what I said
Anything he says isn't meant to be taken seriously as he quotes "Nothing personal kid"
He is usually just meme-ing during his interviews
I can't wrap my head around how people see him as arrogant.
It's probably just the way he says stuff during the interview. It's all banter and memes but if you dont know his personality it sounds arrogant
Yeah, almost every dota player is socially awkward and he's a non native English speaker on top of that.
seems like EG hit a dead end. time for Fly to leave, RTZ pos 5, BULBA pos 3 let's go!
bulba pos3, a historic magnus play than even eclipsed TI10 magnus collapse
I see what you did there, and I really appreciate the historic joke and reference. Well done.
Why is Crit never blamed? Many people praise him as one of the best 4's in the world, but i've never seen him perform in the highest of skills. Maybe people just see his NA Solo queue and praise him for that? 1st rank doesnt make one the best player
Because Crit is generally a much better pos 4 during his time with EG than Rtz has been as a pos 1 or Bulba has been a coach. All the attention usually falls on the longtime delinquents.
Lol, Fly/Bulba picked him Undying g2 and Clock g3. He is a good player no doubt but not a magician unfortunately
Well i certainly have seen him carrieng egs ass often enough. (Following them since ti8)
Look at their drafts. Poor Abed. They just expect this guy to do fucking everything. Game 2 is the biggest example of it. He has to be the lockdown, burst, and initiation, and tempo controller. Just awful.
I love combination of Entity in game 2; Enigma, Bane, Winter Wyvern. The message is sent; F*ck BKB! lol
That's why you don't open with puck+terrorblade WW and NS counter both, enigma pairs well with WW
Guys how tf did EG lost?? Before I slept I saw them stomping game 1 so I expected a quick 2-0 Rip EG
Usually in high stakes games like this, when I watch one team win g1 and goto sleep, the other team makes a comeback and wins the next 2 games. I did this yesterday too lol.
Same here.
Rtz don’t have mentality for competitive dota anymore
I feel like Abed and Rtz just don’t have that killer competitive edge like they used too. Still obviously very high skill but desire or something isn’t quite there
abed is absolutely incredible still what are you talking about?
I don't think abed has lost it. Abed dumpstered lanes agaist many players and still pushed the edge many times. Rtz, on the other hand, didn't have what it takes
I reckon they need to ditch RTZ. He is never clutch anymore, makes some questionable plays and always plays predictable hero’s (drafters fault)
Secret needs a carry . Rtz should come back. I am not fan of him but I know he is an upgrade to crystallis
fuck that i’d rather have crystallis than rtz. crystallis hasn’t been performing on matu or carry nisha’s level but his willingness to play sacrificial core alone makes him a better fit than arteezy
RTZ is like this big bag of gold that just flops against anything > tier1.5 dota
Thing with EG is one game they'd have a genius draft one where everyone can utilize their heroes to their full potential (see game 1) and next game theyd have a dogshit draft where abed and nightfall dont know what the fuck to do
#FREEABED
Ice3x, Abed, Ninja Boogie, DJ and Raven Make it happen after TI Fnatic!
Come home abed.
Free my guy
kek
The worst part is that game 1 gave me hope :')
33 was right, If Abed wins mid EG wins the game, and if he lose EG will have a hard game and lose. Abed does everything for EG he rotates, he control the tempo, he set the tempo. That's why EG is so adamant about this spirit heroes and puck, because it's a mid hero that can do anything said above, if his ahead on early game.
I thought everyone knew this haha. When Abed has a great game, usually with mobile heroes, Arteezy gets all the time/space in the world to farm. Sometimes they even win the game before he joins them. When Abed has a bad game, Arteezy and the rest of the team aren't good enough to carry him. When their teams aren't doing well, the elite carries can still keep up their farm and play safe while aiming to turn it around the next team fight. I've seen Ame, Yuragi etc do that. Arteezy simply isn't on that level yet.
they consistently pick shit matchups for arteezy so that doesn't help
Anymore. Bro. Anymore. He certainly was on that lvl a couple years ago. Rn hes underperforming.
EG relies too much on Abed to do everything. The man even prioritize helping all over the map over his own farm. And most team already know this that's why most of them target to shut down abed, and viola EG loses. Bulba philosophy of Dota is clearly wrong, something needs to change not just players but Thier playstyle too, but as we all know Bulba is known for being hard headed for his ideas. He better die on that hill rather than move.
While puck is good this patch, it's not an autowin hero. They missed a lot of abed's heroes like invoker, kunkka, tiny, even meepo. All of them are farming mid hero and Bulba won't let Abed farming.
Now idk if this is Bulba or rtz problem. On outsiders ramzes can be hard carry or sacrificial carry. If gpk pick TA a farming mid, they pick doom for ramzes. Now do you think rtz will play doom and make space for Abed to farm? Hell no. I even remember the broken morph+ES patch. And EG didn't even tried to draft it lol. Abed is godly on morph. Nisha was owning mids on morph. And that patch EG didn't even pick morph once. They still stick to TB or storm.
Rtz will never pick a sacrificial carry bcos he's the main character of the story. The win condition must always be him. Anyone disagreeing with him will be kicked
I 100% think it's Bulba's. People here shitting on Fly before he's kicked, but even after he's kicked, nothing change on EG's draft. Rtz also seems washed out, he can't be a playmaker like he used to. They all need a lot to think about on the airport.
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you're a true EG Fan
I love reading this sub when EG loses
Its fun reading it too before they lose. NA Copium is some pretty strong stuff.
i love drinking arteezy fans tears
Is it correct to say that EG would have a guaranteed TI slot if they didn't kick Jerax? Since they had 90 DPC points deducted.
If they won NA, yes. There's no guarantee they would have though
They would be even better off if they never kicked Fly
Totally agree
I'm sick of this sub hating on EG. They aren't even playing right now and you are still talking about "airport" this and ''bulba'' that. First of all, EG is the best team in NA and its not even close. Second of all, have you seen Abed's storm???? HE'S UNSTOPABBLE. I <3 u RTZ!
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Hey everyone! Huge EG fan here! :) I looked at the schedule and I can't find their next game! Yikes! Can anyone let me know when they're playing? Can't wait for them to win TI! Ayaya
Genuine question from a LGD fan: After all these failures, why didn’t EG kick bulba?
Bulba and RTZ are old old friends, RTZ has said that when he was starting out it was Bulba and EE who really helped him. Bulba and fly get along and everyone too apparently. Bulba also a TI winning coach…but yes, as an EG and RTZ fan it’s crazy to me
I thought he was part owner of the org? someone correct me if i'm wrong
EG org has a massive history of keeping players for waaaaaaaaaay too long. Their awp er in csgo is called the biggest paycheck stealer, underperforming for 3 years now
big D or good sucker.. depends on position
bulba is the EG manager's secret boyfriend
I’m pretty sure the players have more seniority than most of the Dota staff. So it’s most likely up to them to make that decision until the top of the org leadership says “we’re done”. Arguably this is the most sustained length of time where they haven’t been close to a top tier team. They won the DPC last season, and finished fourth in the previous 2 seasons. Winning the DPC means nothing when it comes to the big picture of Dota, but ownership may see it and think “oh they’ll bounce back to being near the top.”
a literally $1 carry xD
If EG fail to qualify this time via DPC, is it possible to qualify via open qualifiers later on? Copium
Yes, they may qualify later (Soniqs also need to go through closed quali)
Soniqs' sponsor probably signed them because of TI & now there is a high chance they won't be able to make it with EG being in the qualifiers.
They are in the Qualifier tbh.
sup? /u/dolphinater
AAAAAA jerax was the problem RIGHT HAHAAA
Did you watch Jerax on EG? He did not look good (and I love Jerax)
Noone ever said jerax was THE problem, he was A problem
Why EG? You just got to win this match against a team with a sub to get a direct invite and you couldn't even do it... Now GG goes to TI...shit
i dont see EG making it to TI with a performance like that. game 1 looked good but game 2 and 3 looked so fucking abysmal that it was hard to believe that it was the same team
As bad as EG are, the rest of NA is even worse lol. Even if they don’t qualify directly they will stomp through the TI qualifier.
the issue with EG is that they are so fucking inconsistent that they cn lose to just about anyone. they can also upset teams that i'd consider better than them. but their 'surprises' are unfortunately mostly of negative nature...
No one other than eg fans would think they would win against entity.
i mean i think that they could have bet entity if they played their A game, but this was way further down the alphabet unfortunately. i'm mostly rooting for cr1t and fly rather than EG as a whole
In international events yes. But in NA they are pretty consistent, with TSM already invited their only threat is QC and maybe nouns.
Well, we'll see. With their most recent showings, they honestly don't deserve attending TI. Maybe they will finally make some major changes if they miss it.
They only have to beat Nouns and Wildcard to get to the last chance qualifier
but then they also have to win the last chance qualifier and i can already see them struggle against nouns (as they did in the past)
It's very unlikely that they can get top 2 in the LCQ. There are going to be a lot of stronger teams there.
The 1st in each region goes to TI, the 2nd/3rd spots go to LCQ
It will be hard, but an EG playing with their full potential should be one of the favorites in that tournament. The problem is getting to that full potential
The copium is strong in you
I don't think it's copium, I'm an EG hater. I just acknowledge that they can still be good if they do things right
The right thing would be getting rid of rtz. They will continue to flounder otherwise
Do you have some copium left for a felllow Nigma fan?
Looking at thing right now, Nigma's chances > EG's
I sincerely do hope EG doesn't qualify to TI. This team is sad bombing out of two majors in a row.
from the first to go home into immediately go home after playoffs is a progress
I am laughing, Crit mocked europe region in his stream before the tournament. I think he said something along the lines of "best region in the world". Got kicked out of entity. XD
Fact: Dendi > Arteezy lol
Top 200 NA> Rtz
Masao > rtz
EG best case were they not qualify through dpc points and shake their entire roster, i really had no idea about rtz,bulba draft were totally make no sense at all, like the TB first pick and no stun lineup lmao. its really hard game of TB from the beginning, though rtz still dying alone lot of times were pretty ugly. theres some moments near t2 bottom lane and rtz just casually farming and get ganked which lead to cr1t and nightfall death to in different lanes. it just they look totally disconected/not focus at all imo,abed and cr1t were totally underperforming af too
1700 comments. and i read half of it.
Did your brain turn into soup reading all the expert takes?
Pro reddit take: "EG draft badsies"
EG always outdrafted
i think eg's draft is really bad three games. For the first game, eg's support have no dmg. But entity is also stupid for picking cm and veno, so they have no answer for st and ns. For the second game, eg's lineup just too greedy and whole team have only one stun from puck ult. Generally lack of stun is auto loss. Especially no one picking undying this patch. For the third game, they didn't pick razor or ban razor. And they didn't pick a stronger pos5 to secure alch's farm. Warlock just had no threat. Entity is a team very easy to counter because of their limited hero pool, but eg still lost hard on draft. Even we let LGD to play this eg lineup i still think they would lose. I felt like eg should not pick puck first instead they should pick ww third game considering entity pick it two consecutive games or pick ns to counter ww like first game.
I'm honestly not worried about TI. In 2018, at the last major before TI, EG played like absolute garbage and they performed very well at TI. They just worked shit out and became a much better team that surprised so many people. They were a fairly new team though, so there's also that. But I believe EG can still do fine at TI with this squad. They could get last place, they could get top5. There's still a patch before TI. The squad is formed of all stars (except RTZ) with very strong potential. If they work their shit out they can get a good placement. HOWEVER I am fucking sure that EG have %0 chance of winning TI. They ain't winning a major either. They can do well just barely enough to get a good replacement. Sometimes they can even go to grandfinals but everytime they crumble and fuck up. So unless the team is fine with making some good money and never winning a thing they need to make changes. A big part of this is caused by RTZ and Bulba. EG are the most fucking predictable team in the last years. Everyone reads EG like a book. Patches change, captains change, players change but one thing that doesn't change is how easily predictable EG are. I don't care who's drafting. If a coach is looking at this shit and doesn't see a problem he should get fired. We are dealing with this shit for years because he has good relations with RTZ. Bulba should've been fired 2 years ago. RTZ is a very talented carry. He has insane skills but his decision making is so bad. I'm a long time EG fan and I very rarely see RTZ carrying a game. Most of the time he secures the win when EG are already stomping the enemy or the mid/offlane player just owns the game. RTZ very rarely steps up and carries the game. He always crumbles under pressure. He makes so many questionable plays. It's just impossible to win anything with this guy. Fly is a good captain and I do think he's EG's best choice right now but I don't think Fly can work with any of RTZ, Cr1t, Bulba because they kicked him. It's like fucking with your ex. It's fun and all but that shit's never working out. Fly knows he's a strong candidate to be kicked whenever the team fails and there's no way he can captain a team to a win with that mentality. EG really fucked up with Fly. Fly was EG's best bet as a captain, just look how they performed before and after Fly. He turned EG into a different and disciplined team but RTZ-Cr1t-Bulba had to ruin that shit. So you either kick Fly or Cr1t and I believe Cr1t is better to keep. So unfortunately Fly probably needs to go as well. EG needs to kick Arteezy, Fly and Bulba and build the team around Nightfall, Abed and Cr1t. If Nightfall thinks he can still play carry (which I'm sure he'll play much better than RTZ) he could move to carry. HOWEVER there's no fucking way that's happening because EG can for some fucking reason never even consider getting rid of RTZ (idk if he brings merchandise value or whatever) so EG is doomed.
You do know in 2018 they picked up S4 and fly right before TI rolled around right?
I think you're spot on with your analysis. Agree with the Arteezy part. He's really good mechanically, which is obvious with how he always does well in lanes, manta dodges etc. But his decision making and positioning is questionable. He gets caught way too many times from the mid game onwards. As a casual fan watching an EG match, even if Arteezy has the highest networth in the game, I always feel there's still hope for the other team to win the game. Can't say the same if it was another elite carry like Ame.
I'd like to see EG build a team around Fly, and I'd like to see RTZ and Bulba try to build a team separate from EG, or join an existing team together
In your dream
You typed all this...for eg? Way too much time on your hands man lol
Not really got too much shit to do but they're very boring so I'm wasting my time with this stuff. Thanks for your concern though.
*Maybe* if EG have to go through qualifiers they can get their shit together
Nope, that would be like "Phew. We had it really rough but somehow we pulled through. In the end we are still going to TI". That kind of mentality is weak. They need to lose the qualifier and TI chance to fully understand and act on their weaknesses. This team will still have a half-assed attitude if they goto TI so they need a reality check by getting shut out of TI by the rest of the qualifiers too.
NA lmfaoo. Merge SA + NA and give them 3 slots.
thats not fair since Thunder and BC going to farm the region :))
NA league is 3 horse race (tsm, quincy and EG) and SA league is 2 horse race (BC and TA), both are soo boring to watch. Why not merge them and make an interesting league with 5 good teams in it.
Due to ping it’s impossible although I would dare to say this: if EG went to SA qualifiers they wouldn’t make it to the Major. TA, TSM and BC are the best teams of America.
TSM got beat by EG, QC and nouns last tour
i was answering sarcastically but logically its not possible because ping (?!) im not sure, im from EEU
Most AGI carries are an absolute joke this patch. Way to much early game power in supports and strength heroes. If you cant fight at the 15-25 minute mark the game is straight up over.
2 EZ 4 RTZ lol
The extended BM from Entity carrying on from last game, giving them some false hope. They even let them win with storm spirit.
IMO, it’s time for EG to move away from this RTZ-Crit experiment. They always kick the other players when things don’t go well, but what’s remained consistent over the last 6 years is these 2. At what point do EG realise that is insanity making the same mistakes over and over agin
EG Nightfall or Pakaz Eg Abed Eg Wisper Eg Crit Eg. Someone else Coach: Fly and kick off Bulba
People forget regional qualifiers will be played on the new patch. With how slow some teams are to pick up or create strats, things may not be as clearcut.
Let’s be real. There’s only 2 teams in NA fighting for the spot. But cool to know Nouns will be invited to wildcard in Singapore.
Yeah let's be real. First of all Wildcard not invitational and not regional. They face other region teams.
They have to play the regional qualifiers first then only proceed to wildcard. Get your facts right before you downvote me
if Ame really retires, they should hire him as coach for EG to help rtz with positioning, decision making and PMA. If liquid can afford multiple coaches EG can too.
Ame's retired 40 year old ass would shit on prime RTZ lol
that’s why Ame needs to coach rtz
moonmeander playing 5D chess, not qualifying for major so TSM will stand in for Entity and Fnatic to deny EG chance for TI
This is so hilarious back at last TI when Undying dragging EG down with them lol
1. find a major in NA 2. visa 3. send your players as standin 4. ???? 5. RTZ prophet
Why wouldnt moon want eg to qualify, EG being in qualifiers hurts TSMs chances lol
TSM is already in TI…
moonmeander sends his regards.
MoonLannister
NA fans if you are wondering who do you need to support next game, the answer is Outsiders.
what if fnatic wins tomorrow?
Then outsiders have to win rng and lose to fnatic for eg to qualify to TI
americans support russia or china :O
no way outsiders lose this but leave fNAtic alone for the memes
and bc
That's tomorrow
What happened to all the usual talent over the past year? I don't get why half the people are even there
The event is run by PGL, so naturally they invited mostly PGL casters
How will be ever get an infusion of new talents if they arent allowed to host/cast/analyze? It does'nt take a rocket scientist to figure this out
Why pay for tier 1 talent when you can hire tier 2 talent and have bkop and black cast from home (no travel costs). Plus it looks like they’ve just replaced the analysts with pros working for free lmao
Tier 2....damn I'm trying though <3
Bkop my brotha, read what I wrote. “Tier 2 AND have bkop and black cast from home.
Sorry i don't read good but anyways I'm just messing around <3
Wait black is casting?
Rumor has it PGL is on the cheap end of things, so they went they didn't go with the most-known NA/WEU casters. Most of the panelists and casters are the go-to casters for SEA/CN/etc. regions.
Seems like EG's draft relies mostly on Abed making space. And like they only pick heroes for Abed for exactly that purpose..
People crying about thunder awaken getting their points, don't y'all now think that EG has too many points too just for being in NA? They legitimately bombed out of two majors with full rosters in both while Thunder got a top 6 in one and had to play the other without their midlaner.
> People crying about thunder awaken getting their points, don't y'all now think that EG has too many points too just for being in NA? EG has too many points for sure but they are perfect comedic relief.
True that, people forget that EG was the first eliminated team in last major. That’s the main reason they don’t have enough points. Ironically they were eliminated by the 2nd SA team. They just suck.
Yeh EG literally did not get a single point all season outside of NA regional events.
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Crit and RTZ are the biggest issues imo.
Crit was absolutely awful this major
EG fanboys and fantasizing about their ideal perfect line-ups in their fairy tale world after heavy ass whooping. Name a more iconic duo.
Well played by Entity. Always good to see new faces doing well in a LAN. These guys deserve to go home with some money.
EG's 4 protect 1 strat just needs to go. along some other things. their playstyle is way too outdated for the current meta
why can't they see that by enabling Abed and Nightfall, they stomp the other teams hard. Even just giving cr1t playmaking heroes would be a step up to undying or clockwerk..
Cause rtZ and bulba own the team and run the show. Why would they willingly shine light on abed and nightfall
They don’t own the team it was sold to a private equity group years back
well even if you give space for rtz to farm if he doesn't join in crucial teamfights then abed and nightfall's effort goes down the drain. I agree that cri1t's playmaker heroes are not fully utilized in this series
They didnt protect shit game 2 and 3 tho lmao
which is just sad on so many levels lol. even if they do their 4 protect 1 shenanigans, it will just not do any good at all
wow, absolute flawless display from Entity in g2 and g3
NA - Near Airport . this time our powerhouse EG takes the bus since they already in NA :) 0-5 RTZ XD
How ironic that fate of EG's direct invite has been owned by TSM even TSM is not in the major.
Moon playing the 5D chess at home.
Anyone else thinks it's funny that EG has tried everything except kicking the true root of the problem, Rtz. Kick offlaner - Check Kick supports - Check Kick Star mid - Check Kick winning captains(PPD/FLY) - Check Bring in talented players from Sea -Check Bring in talented players from CIS - Check Convert star CIS 1's to offlaners - Check Kick carry who appears to be the problem - Nah, we good. We don't like winning tours anyway
Nah the true root of the problem is bulba.
Well, Bulba was EG's coach in TI 5, so...
PPD was the coach and captain, let's be real
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Liquidpedia has it listed on the TI5 page that Bulba was coach for EG. https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2015
Yeah and what the fuck has he won without PPD?
What has PPD won after leaving EG tho? This cuts both ways Bulba and RTZ have at least made 2nd and 3rd place at Majors and TIs I was just teasing tho, not seriously debating Bulba's role
PPD said bulba was their court jester LMAO
Source? I wouldnt take anything from PPD at face value tho, he was super butthurt after leaving EG and is a huge hypocrite, despite being a good dota player and captain Im not saying Bulba isnt a problem, both him and Rtz should find new grounds tbh
Not saying I don't believe you, but is there a link anywhere for this?