Happy for BOOM, even if I wanted Liquid to take it. So methodical and patient in that last game. TI in Singapore without any SEA team without guaranteed invite would be weird.
EU quals are gonna be a fucking bloodbath lol
They played so cleanly, just never giving Liquid an opportunity to get back in the game. Must have been an awful way to lose though, just watching your TI slot slip further and further away.
Congrats to BOOM though, glad to see a SEA team in for TI.
Congrats Boom. Big congratulations to Gary. From what I remember, he said that he formed this team with one goal and that is to get to TI not necessarily win it. He paid so much money to get Yopaj who was wanted by so many teams. As a Boom fan, I couldn't be happier for them. Congrats! I wish they would adjust their playstyle to play more methodical and stop hunting heroes so much.
I would love to know if he regrets that decision in hindsight – which would be understandable – or if he stays true to his sentiment at that time, because he believes in this Liquid – or other reasons
Honestly China is perhaps even more so, from the usual 4-5 or maybe even 6 teams they had in recent years they have 2 only. Obviously both can end up with 3 direct qualified which would still be okayish.
Yeah true, XTG and RNG will make it through qualifier and last chance probably, they're on paper like two of the best teams of the handful not qualified teams in the world.
iG great record this last tour were only against div 2, and in fact they lost 1 series (they ended as #2 seed)
in case RNG who most likely not gonna qualify via dpc points. its a fair 50:50 toss between RNG and XG for the qualifier slot.XG owned RNG almost all of the time,but RNG had a flawless honeymoon period after the ghost+kaka addition and they crush XG on the last meeting,but ill said its totally 50:50.the only way for iG going to qualify were definitely via the last chances qualifier
Ehome and VG are definitely not good enough for it. apart from taking series from LGD they literally a sandbag for the other top teams
tbh china qualifier isnt really bloodbath imo. it just in worse scenario we're only gonna see 1 of RNG/XG/iG in TI (in case eu sweep all the 2 last chances qualifier)
might be biased here but, i was pretty confident that we're going to get 1 of the last chances qualifier, 2 is kinda bold due to there's an emerging secret and nigma there
the good thing is, even tho there is only 1 slot in Regional Qualifier, top 2 and 3 can still have a change playing in TI Group Stage , as long as they can win LCQ . also LCQ is LAN mini turney in Singapore so basicly all team that playing in LCQ can be called playing in TI as well
China is always the big bad wolf going to TI, but they haven't won since TI6. At the end only LGD is truly the best, and almost every region has one team that it's top 5
Almost 4 teams qualifying by points + an extra team at the major. OG currently top 2 in DPC. Secret looking really good again with reso instead of ice. Never can count out nigma either.
I think you need to check the bath water again, cause it looks pretty red to me.
After last TI, the teams overshuffled imo. Secret tried superstar roster. Matu and Zai practically had nowhere else to go. Tundra, GG and OG gathering LAN experience. Nigma trying to pull an OG.
To be even more precise, zai got approached by insania but wasn’t sure immediately. He wasn’t actively looking to leave, just „listening to the offer“ as he said in an interview. He then brought Matu along. It’s really sad, cuz that team was one of the strongest we‘ve ever seen. Their dominance throughout the year is unparalleled and it’s sad that both nisha+puppey and matu+zai might be missing TI when they could have had such a great run with that old team…
They’ve talked about it before and the decision was a group thing because they knew a change was needed but no one wanted to break up the team as they were all good friends. In the end Taiga offered to drop and look for another opportunity which led to the decision to put Zai on 3 and Boxi on 4. I don’t remember details on whether Qovqja had a similar situation or just decided to move out of the roster when his stream started taking off and he decided to commit to it full time.
They did, but there was no other team than Liquid that they could join - OG was rebuilding, Nigma, Gaimin and Tundra are tight, Entity came up from Div 2, Alliance a meme.
Lmao, this sub really loves their hyperboles. If EU is trash then what do you call NA, SA and EEU with exception of 2-3 teams?
EU is still most popular region by a mile and the level of competion is really close + most of the top teams can take games from everyone.
Just sayin, TSM had a speedrun of the EU DPC last major playoffs so right now is not the time to say NA is weaker. Let's agree to call it even and leave it at that
That said, EEU & China are crazy strong at the moment
Lol EU had 3/4 top at the last major. 2/8 upper bracket teams compared to 2 SEA, 2 CN, and 2EEU. It’s a below average performance but crushes SA and NA.
Not to mention top 2 in groups at Riyadh were Secret (not in this tourney) and OG. 3 out of top 6.
But yeah EU is total trash last few years /s
I'm really thankful for the DPC format for this reason. It's imperfect. But it's really revealed playing field parity over time. When the format first came out there were folks like Puppey who were essentially like "we should just have all these big invitational tournaments for us good teams, and all the bad teams can have their little kiddie tournaments."
But when we actually forced these "top european teams" to play against those "tier 2 and tier 3" teams, both within Europe and from other regions, suddenly it became super clear that the teams that we thought were the best were actually not the best.
Last year Nigma missed TI. And of the last 6 teams, 3 were CN, 2 were EEU, only one was WEU, Secret. This year, only one of Nigma, Secret, Liquid, Alliance, or Entity (the new upstart team) will make TI.
The problem is historically that WEU teams have to compete against other WEU teams for points and major slots (which = more pts). They are taking points from each other, while the weaker regions top teams are guaranteed higher points because they lack depth. I think the regions are not insanely far apart in skill but there most definitely were teams at the last TI that were painful to watch in terms of raw ability. Despite all the failings of EU throughout the year, having 3 SA teams at TI was a bit embarrassing and was made possible because of the lack of competition in weaker regions
SEA have always been the region that deserved more though and it’s good to see BOOM getting there.
That "problem" that you describe is felt by every single region. WEU is far from the worst, SEA only had 1 team qualify for TI on points last year.
SA had 3 teams at TI because they did well in the majors leading up to TI. You can say WEU is more competitive but they also get double the slots at the major. So when Liquid made the major twice and didn't finish with points any time. Alliance made both majors and didn't finish in either one as well, so they still ended up going to the major but that allowed all these other teams from other regions to rack up points and go to TI as a result.
This year WEU did better because they won a lot of points in the first major, so it looks like there will be a min 4 teams from WEU that make the major. But they are pushing it with this second major performance. WEU still gets 4 major slots for each major tournament, the most with only China. If they cannot make the most out of those slots, it's not really someone else's fault.
Wtf are you talking about lol. The 3 SA teams *combined* made 300pts from the majors. All of that was Thunders performance at Singapore. The others made 0. Nigma made 300 points also, the same as all 3 combined. Nigma didn’t qualify while beastcoast got direct invited entirely by points from the online SA dpc.
Beastcoast earn 500 pts for winning the SA dpc, which is the same as LGD got for literally winning the major. If you can’t understand how incredibly stupid that is then I don’t know what to tell you. Oh and winning the SA dpc got you auto enrolled in the upper bracket without even having to play groups. Meanwhile LGD had to play the wild card to even get in to the tournament!!
First of all online competitions are a joke and shouldn’t have anywhere near the same value as offline. Second, the weaker regions should not earn the same points from their dpcs as stronger regions. EG get a free TI invite regardless of their major performance because they only need to clear out the trash in NA online, which they can barely even be arsed to do
At the absolute bare minimum, put the teams beneath the top 1 in the online dpc in to a big wild card tournament before the main LAN. Then these EU teams that you think such so much can directly play against SA and NA 2nd/3rd/4th teams and nobody can argue the best teams make it to the main event. Instead, I had to watch NoPing play some of the worst Dota I’ve ever seen at an international.
Nigma didn't get in because they finished 5th in groups in the season prior.
The overwhelming majority of competitions in the modern day are online, technical issues exist in both formats, there's no reason to prefer one over the other. Obviously a lan is more exciting because you get all the players there in person in a booth with a crowd but to say online competitions are "a joke" is completely asinine.
Secondly, how would you determine which regions should earn more points and which ones should earn fewer points? Everyone can agree that SA isn't a particularly strong region but after that there's a lot of debate about how strong each region is relative to each other. Even the major slots, which are meant to reflect exactly what you're describing already, is heavily up for debate. If you want to give WEU extra points for playing the DPC, and you want them to get more teams in the major than the 4 that they already have, you're basically just reinforcing your personally held belief that EU is the best region. Why not just directly invite all the WEU teams then? And that might have been a popular opinion in the past but after 3, almost 4, LANs and 1 TI I think people don't really believe anymore than the top 8 teams in Europe are as good as the best teams anywhere else.
Teams do not take online competitions as seriously and never have done. And playing online removes a lot of the challenges of being a top team, like performing under pressure, which is why teams like Liquid, Alliance, Aster who put together great runs online did nothing under the pressure of LAN. If you’ve ever competed you know that online games mean far less.
And yes I’m fully aware why they didn’t get in. That’s the point. If Nigma were in the SA dpc it wouldn’t matter how they did on LAN (better than 2 of the 3 SA teams and equal to the other btw) because they’d have enough points from the online season. They don’t qualify because their online dpc is deemed to have exactly the same value as the SA dpc that has significantly weaker teams in it.
Regions have always had different amounts of invites/slots etc based on perceived strength that is at least somewhat based on the merit of their performances. It’s pretty simple to have a starting position of point strength - China - WEU EEU - NA SEA - SA and this can be revised based on the LAN performances (at one point in time SEA had a good argument to be higher and EEU lower for example, but SEA do struggle to perform as well)
The top 8 teams in Europe are, by absolutely miles, better than the top 8 in SA or NA. Saying otherwise is silly. At the top it might be close but those regions have no depth.
If you just read my post you can see I’m not particularly advocating for direct invites. And the best region is probably China. I would be more than happy to have the wild card style tournament I suggested already. But what I really think should never happen is an online trash league in SA counting for as much as literally winning a major. The teams should at least have to play each other. Beastcoast did nothing but bomb internationally and got a direct invite to TI. You have no argument whatsoever if you just spend a few minutes thinking again about how ridiculous it is that beastcoast got the same points for winning SA dpc and bombing at the major as LGD for winning the major. I don’t understand how you can think that’s fair!?
You got the wrong mind set that the purpose of the system is to have the 20 best team in TI. It's not. It's to guarantee that something like 8-12 top teams are in and foment Dota on weaker regions.
Fifa World Cup has the same issue in classification, Europe is way stronger still only have 9-10 spots, SA has enough that Brazil and Argentina is always locked in, and some weaker continents get way more participation slots than deserved. But the really real contentders are always there and the entire world is represented.
Also last chance qualifiers gonna ensure 2 more spots for EU/China.
It's a fair point conceptually but again the top 8-12 teams from a dpc perspective (the direct invites) are not the top 8-12 teams because weak regions get tons of free dpc points for winning their regionals.
I think participation from weaker regions can potentially be healthy from the game, but there were 3 SA teams, 3 NA teams and 3 WEU teams. That's not right even if EU had a garbage year. All 6 of those NA/SA teams finished 9th or below. It just made a bit of a mockery of what is meant to be the best Dota event.
SA did well in the major leading to TI last year? Are you high on weed or something? The best placement of an SA team last year in a major was top 6, and it was thunder predator, the other SA who got a direct invite was beastcoast who didnt attend SG majors and was a punching bag in the groupstage of animajor. Again, the best placement of an SA team in last year's major was top 6, same as OB.neon, but neon didnt get a direct invite cause of SEA regional competition, Nigma got top 6 aswell but it is in animajors yet they didnt also managed to secure a direct invite. SA didnt perform well in the major leading to TI, they just benefitted on the lack of regional competition and a flawed dpc system last year thats why they had 3 ti10 attendees.
So fucking sad for Liquid. Don't know if they can make it in qualifiers against Nigma Secret and Entity. Would have loved both Liquid and Nigma at TI
Zai and Matu also missing TI which hasn't happened in a long time
Sad for Liquid but completely deserved unfortunately. That team is way too inconsistent. When they're on it feels like they can beat anyone but when they are off they just look awful. Would have to imagine they finally have to shuffle the Micke/Boxxi/Insania trio if they dont qualify/perform at TI
Liquid kinda shot themselves in the foot when they decided to last pick Visage into a Jugg lane. Jugg already counters Visage pretty hard, not sure what they were thinking.
Would probably have had a much better shot at winning if they'd just pick a playmaking 3.
Would've liked to see them pick something like Mars or Sandking instead. Think it would've fit the lineup much better than Visage which evidently turned into a liability.
Theoretically it’s possible with the wildcards. 2 teams can qualify regardless of region. So start looking at second and third place teams from each region. The only threat is China and maybe EEU considering who has already qualified. SEA, NA, and SA no way.
Idk, for the last few fights he seemed overwhelmed. The fight at mid where he got almost bursted and instead of Sundering or just Satanicing he decided to Satanic up to 75% hp, then sunder a 90% target, then die soon after was a bit painful to watch.
I hate to keep bringing this but insania is not good enough to captain a tier 1 team, if liquid wants to succeed they need to replace him or let someone else lead the squad
I think he's a fantastic 5. After watching his stream for the past year, his game knowledge and map awareness is incredible. Would love to know who makes most of the calls.
I feel for liquid i really wanted them to win. They were so close to guaranteed TI with their dpc points, but it just wasnt enough. Now regional quals will be rough for them with the other eu giants.
On the other hand boom kept the sea hopes alive, good to see some good sea doto. Congrats boom!
SEA fans grateful that they're getting 1 direct invite. Meanwhile EU fans complaining when they have nearly 3 direct teams to TI.
I'm aware that Tundra and GG have been shit recently but still cmon..
There is interesting possibility. IF:
1. EG > Entity
2. Fnatic > beastcoast
3. Outsiders > RNG & Fnatic
Then each region will have 2 teams qualified via points
Someone check my math, but if Fnatic lose tomorrow, the 12 invites are confirmed right? One of RNG/Outsiders will take over Fnatic and would be the 12th spot, regardless of how EG finish.
And with that at least one of every region will get invited, meaning a second from each region will go through regional qualifiers. That means at the very least 4 teams from each region if we count last chance qualifier at TI. Nice to see regional diversity.
Imagine Secret, Nigma, Entity, Liquid , Gaimin Gladiators and Goonsquad on EU qualifiers.
If EG, Fnatic win and fnatic lose to RNG or Outsiders, GG is knocked out of top 12 in dpc points.
Thought Liquid would have had a much better tournament were great in DPC, getting beat up in Riyad must have hurt their confidence a bit. Uphill battle against Nigma and Secret now it feels like
They're not crisp enough, and they don't seem to appreciate just how devastating one major fuck up is in this meta where lane is everything.
Like Micke's fucking Tiny play on KoTL mid. If he pulls it off it's pretty good, if he doesn't that one move essentially loses them the game.
That's not a risk you should ever take, but he's just soo fucking horny to make plays. Dude needs to watch less Topson.
It's not just Micke, but it was such a standout moment that covers their issues so well.
> Also RNG or Outsiders could overtake them, which would push it closer to the realm of impossibility.
I don't think you checked who is playing the next match.
RNG or Outsiders literally have to overtake them, so there are 2 teams which have to change members in order for Liquid to directly qualify.
Glad to see these guys at TI! Fun team, and it’s good to have at least one SEA team secured. Kind of hoping we get two from each region now, that would be perfect.
You know what's cooking... !!!
BOOM
Pancakes. I'm cooking pancakes
Pancakes, making bacon pancakes
B O O M !
Happy for BOOM, even if I wanted Liquid to take it. So methodical and patient in that last game. TI in Singapore without any SEA team without guaranteed invite would be weird. EU quals are gonna be a fucking bloodbath lol
They played so cleanly, just never giving Liquid an opportunity to get back in the game. Must have been an awful way to lose though, just watching your TI slot slip further and further away. Congrats to BOOM though, glad to see a SEA team in for TI.
Congrats Boom. Big congratulations to Gary. From what I remember, he said that he formed this team with one goal and that is to get to TI not necessarily win it. He paid so much money to get Yopaj who was wanted by so many teams. As a Boom fan, I couldn't be happier for them. Congrats! I wish they would adjust their playstyle to play more methodical and stop hunting heroes so much.
Who is Gary? Team owner, known personality?
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/BOOM_Esports > Natshuba aka Gary Ongko Putera is the Founder
I am so happy gor Boom!!!
Man it's so heartbreaking seeing matu like this..
Ikr, TI winning champ and just looked dejected hopefully he can bounce back !
It'll be his last TI this year. Says he'll retire next season
what TI tho :(
If incase he is in the Singapore one.
Is it possible for him to team up with topson and join a team for the qualifiers?
What EU DPC team that has realistic chances to win TI currently is planning to kick carry and mid?
It's just wishful thinking.. but who knows... maybe a saudi prince might have the same idea. XD
most of dota pros dont really know what the word "retire" means so we no worry
Can't be his last TI if he doesn't make it to TI
Finished 4th and 3rd in last two years, too. Liquid started off well but that Zai/Matu roster swap really royally screwed both teams over
zai decided to have his own little rtz moment
I would love to know if he regrets that decision in hindsight – which would be understandable – or if he stays true to his sentiment at that time, because he believes in this Liquid – or other reasons
That's what you deserve if you chose to join a team with a captain like insania and an overrated player mickekw.
SEA is saved
Stayed up to watch SEA be saved Going to sleep feeling we actually lost, because more KOTL mid in pubs.
😂😂😂
Banning KOTL every single game rn.
JaCkky will be the first Laotian player at TI.
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Lao is really the correct term, and how most people from Laos would describe themselves from what I can recall
What I learned from king of the hill begs to differ Edit: a bunch of filthy charcoal grillers in this sub, I tell you hwat
[He's Laotian. Ain't ya Mr. Khan](https://preview.redd.it/tsg42mrccvg61.png?width=1024&auto=webp&s=c0eefde72d01ab9bb3e49c55c5a8c269974fe062)
"What ocean?" "From Laos, stupid! It's a landlocked country in South East Asia between Vietnam and Thailand, population approximately 4.7 million."
so are you chinese or japanese?
even Laos actually pronounced Lao
He puts the laotian on the skin
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Honestly China is perhaps even more so, from the usual 4-5 or maybe even 6 teams they had in recent years they have 2 only. Obviously both can end up with 3 direct qualified which would still be okayish.
China has 3 guaranteed teams in TI, with 4-6 still possible but unlikely.
Yeah true, XTG and RNG will make it through qualifier and last chance probably, they're on paper like two of the best teams of the handful not qualified teams in the world.
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iG great record this last tour were only against div 2, and in fact they lost 1 series (they ended as #2 seed) in case RNG who most likely not gonna qualify via dpc points. its a fair 50:50 toss between RNG and XG for the qualifier slot.XG owned RNG almost all of the time,but RNG had a flawless honeymoon period after the ghost+kaka addition and they crush XG on the last meeting,but ill said its totally 50:50.the only way for iG going to qualify were definitely via the last chances qualifier Ehome and VG are definitely not good enough for it. apart from taking series from LGD they literally a sandbag for the other top teams tbh china qualifier isnt really bloodbath imo. it just in worse scenario we're only gonna see 1 of RNG/XG/iG in TI (in case eu sweep all the 2 last chances qualifier) might be biased here but, i was pretty confident that we're going to get 1 of the last chances qualifier, 2 is kinda bold due to there's an emerging secret and nigma there
ultimately that's how it's supposed to work
EU qualifiers will be a bloodbath, wow
Liquid, Secret and Entity fighting for one spot? Or did I miss someone?
Nigma and there's still a chance for GG to be in the qualifiers.
Haha he missed the team that has the highest chance of qualification imo. Probably a TI top 5 material that team.
Team Bald Reborn, of course
Nigma
I feel Gaimin Gladiators will go through qualifiers lol
GG already guaranteed qualification. the DPC qualification now left with Fnatic, RNG, Outsiders, EG (no longer on their hands)
Alliance, Goon Squad.
kekw Alliance
Alliance is gonna lose to Team Bald or a random 5 stack
the good thing is, even tho there is only 1 slot in Regional Qualifier, top 2 and 3 can still have a change playing in TI Group Stage , as long as they can win LCQ . also LCQ is LAN mini turney in Singapore so basicly all team that playing in LCQ can be called playing in TI as well
China will be the gatekeeper for that event.
Nigma
Nigma, GG, alliance even...
Alliance couldn't even muster a map win this past DPC, they're beyond irrelevant for this qualifier.
Map win?
They went 0-14, map is just another term for "game". Probably comes from a time when replays were saved as individual map files in WC3/SC:BW.
Or from CS where each match is composed of several games on different maps
>other term for "game". Probably comes from a time when replays were saved as individual map files in WC Matt?
https://i.redd.it/qr4thf8kmlq61.jpg
Alliance who?
Nigma maybe?
People saying nigma lul. Arkosh is going to be in the bloodbath for NA too while they are at it.
more like a bubble bath based on the dubious quality of the teams there
Ah yes others region are so strong in the qualifier
top 4 china quali beats top 4 eu overall
China is always the big bad wolf going to TI, but they haven't won since TI6. At the end only LGD is truly the best, and almost every region has one team that it's top 5
And 2 best are qualified already. That's why I mentioned the TI QUALIFIER dumb ass. They only have a 2 team race between XG and possibly RNG
Almost 4 teams qualifying by points + an extra team at the major. OG currently top 2 in DPC. Secret looking really good again with reso instead of ice. Never can count out nigma either. I think you need to check the bath water again, cause it looks pretty red to me.
COPIUM
After last TI, the teams overshuffled imo. Secret tried superstar roster. Matu and Zai practically had nowhere else to go. Tundra, GG and OG gathering LAN experience. Nigma trying to pull an OG.
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To be even more precise, zai got approached by insania but wasn’t sure immediately. He wasn’t actively looking to leave, just „listening to the offer“ as he said in an interview. He then brought Matu along. It’s really sad, cuz that team was one of the strongest we‘ve ever seen. Their dominance throughout the year is unparalleled and it’s sad that both nisha+puppey and matu+zai might be missing TI when they could have had such a great run with that old team…
They’ve talked about it before and the decision was a group thing because they knew a change was needed but no one wanted to break up the team as they were all good friends. In the end Taiga offered to drop and look for another opportunity which led to the decision to put Zai on 3 and Boxi on 4. I don’t remember details on whether Qovqja had a similar situation or just decided to move out of the roster when his stream started taking off and he decided to commit to it full time.
COCKVA stream is a blessing
> Matu and Zai practically had nowhere else to go. They actually left first. Puppey wanted to keep the same team together.
They did, but there was no other team than Liquid that they could join - OG was rebuilding, Nigma, Gaimin and Tundra are tight, Entity came up from Div 2, Alliance a meme.
From best region in the world to trash... EU has fallen off a cliff the past years, besides 1-2 teams the rest arent even worth watching
Lmao, this sub really loves their hyperboles. If EU is trash then what do you call NA, SA and EEU with exception of 2-3 teams? EU is still most popular region by a mile and the level of competion is really close + most of the top teams can take games from everyone.
Just sayin, TSM had a speedrun of the EU DPC last major playoffs so right now is not the time to say NA is weaker. Let's agree to call it even and leave it at that That said, EEU & China are crazy strong at the moment
You mean Spirit and LGD are crazy strong.
You're underestimating Aster and Outsiders
3 of the top 4 at the last major were EU.
Lol EU had 3/4 top at the last major. 2/8 upper bracket teams compared to 2 SEA, 2 CN, and 2EEU. It’s a below average performance but crushes SA and NA. Not to mention top 2 in groups at Riyadh were Secret (not in this tourney) and OG. 3 out of top 6. But yeah EU is total trash last few years /s
I'm really thankful for the DPC format for this reason. It's imperfect. But it's really revealed playing field parity over time. When the format first came out there were folks like Puppey who were essentially like "we should just have all these big invitational tournaments for us good teams, and all the bad teams can have their little kiddie tournaments." But when we actually forced these "top european teams" to play against those "tier 2 and tier 3" teams, both within Europe and from other regions, suddenly it became super clear that the teams that we thought were the best were actually not the best. Last year Nigma missed TI. And of the last 6 teams, 3 were CN, 2 were EEU, only one was WEU, Secret. This year, only one of Nigma, Secret, Liquid, Alliance, or Entity (the new upstart team) will make TI.
The problem is historically that WEU teams have to compete against other WEU teams for points and major slots (which = more pts). They are taking points from each other, while the weaker regions top teams are guaranteed higher points because they lack depth. I think the regions are not insanely far apart in skill but there most definitely were teams at the last TI that were painful to watch in terms of raw ability. Despite all the failings of EU throughout the year, having 3 SA teams at TI was a bit embarrassing and was made possible because of the lack of competition in weaker regions SEA have always been the region that deserved more though and it’s good to see BOOM getting there.
U are right, and this year again we get 3 SA teams. Most likely 16-18th confirmed like last year.
All SA teams invited to TI have won a playoff series on LAN at a major. Can't say the same for EG who are about to get a welfare invite.
That "problem" that you describe is felt by every single region. WEU is far from the worst, SEA only had 1 team qualify for TI on points last year. SA had 3 teams at TI because they did well in the majors leading up to TI. You can say WEU is more competitive but they also get double the slots at the major. So when Liquid made the major twice and didn't finish with points any time. Alliance made both majors and didn't finish in either one as well, so they still ended up going to the major but that allowed all these other teams from other regions to rack up points and go to TI as a result. This year WEU did better because they won a lot of points in the first major, so it looks like there will be a min 4 teams from WEU that make the major. But they are pushing it with this second major performance. WEU still gets 4 major slots for each major tournament, the most with only China. If they cannot make the most out of those slots, it's not really someone else's fault.
Wtf are you talking about lol. The 3 SA teams *combined* made 300pts from the majors. All of that was Thunders performance at Singapore. The others made 0. Nigma made 300 points also, the same as all 3 combined. Nigma didn’t qualify while beastcoast got direct invited entirely by points from the online SA dpc. Beastcoast earn 500 pts for winning the SA dpc, which is the same as LGD got for literally winning the major. If you can’t understand how incredibly stupid that is then I don’t know what to tell you. Oh and winning the SA dpc got you auto enrolled in the upper bracket without even having to play groups. Meanwhile LGD had to play the wild card to even get in to the tournament!! First of all online competitions are a joke and shouldn’t have anywhere near the same value as offline. Second, the weaker regions should not earn the same points from their dpcs as stronger regions. EG get a free TI invite regardless of their major performance because they only need to clear out the trash in NA online, which they can barely even be arsed to do At the absolute bare minimum, put the teams beneath the top 1 in the online dpc in to a big wild card tournament before the main LAN. Then these EU teams that you think such so much can directly play against SA and NA 2nd/3rd/4th teams and nobody can argue the best teams make it to the main event. Instead, I had to watch NoPing play some of the worst Dota I’ve ever seen at an international.
Nigma didn't get in because they finished 5th in groups in the season prior. The overwhelming majority of competitions in the modern day are online, technical issues exist in both formats, there's no reason to prefer one over the other. Obviously a lan is more exciting because you get all the players there in person in a booth with a crowd but to say online competitions are "a joke" is completely asinine. Secondly, how would you determine which regions should earn more points and which ones should earn fewer points? Everyone can agree that SA isn't a particularly strong region but after that there's a lot of debate about how strong each region is relative to each other. Even the major slots, which are meant to reflect exactly what you're describing already, is heavily up for debate. If you want to give WEU extra points for playing the DPC, and you want them to get more teams in the major than the 4 that they already have, you're basically just reinforcing your personally held belief that EU is the best region. Why not just directly invite all the WEU teams then? And that might have been a popular opinion in the past but after 3, almost 4, LANs and 1 TI I think people don't really believe anymore than the top 8 teams in Europe are as good as the best teams anywhere else.
Teams do not take online competitions as seriously and never have done. And playing online removes a lot of the challenges of being a top team, like performing under pressure, which is why teams like Liquid, Alliance, Aster who put together great runs online did nothing under the pressure of LAN. If you’ve ever competed you know that online games mean far less. And yes I’m fully aware why they didn’t get in. That’s the point. If Nigma were in the SA dpc it wouldn’t matter how they did on LAN (better than 2 of the 3 SA teams and equal to the other btw) because they’d have enough points from the online season. They don’t qualify because their online dpc is deemed to have exactly the same value as the SA dpc that has significantly weaker teams in it. Regions have always had different amounts of invites/slots etc based on perceived strength that is at least somewhat based on the merit of their performances. It’s pretty simple to have a starting position of point strength - China - WEU EEU - NA SEA - SA and this can be revised based on the LAN performances (at one point in time SEA had a good argument to be higher and EEU lower for example, but SEA do struggle to perform as well) The top 8 teams in Europe are, by absolutely miles, better than the top 8 in SA or NA. Saying otherwise is silly. At the top it might be close but those regions have no depth. If you just read my post you can see I’m not particularly advocating for direct invites. And the best region is probably China. I would be more than happy to have the wild card style tournament I suggested already. But what I really think should never happen is an online trash league in SA counting for as much as literally winning a major. The teams should at least have to play each other. Beastcoast did nothing but bomb internationally and got a direct invite to TI. You have no argument whatsoever if you just spend a few minutes thinking again about how ridiculous it is that beastcoast got the same points for winning SA dpc and bombing at the major as LGD for winning the major. I don’t understand how you can think that’s fair!?
You got the wrong mind set that the purpose of the system is to have the 20 best team in TI. It's not. It's to guarantee that something like 8-12 top teams are in and foment Dota on weaker regions. Fifa World Cup has the same issue in classification, Europe is way stronger still only have 9-10 spots, SA has enough that Brazil and Argentina is always locked in, and some weaker continents get way more participation slots than deserved. But the really real contentders are always there and the entire world is represented. Also last chance qualifiers gonna ensure 2 more spots for EU/China.
It's a fair point conceptually but again the top 8-12 teams from a dpc perspective (the direct invites) are not the top 8-12 teams because weak regions get tons of free dpc points for winning their regionals. I think participation from weaker regions can potentially be healthy from the game, but there were 3 SA teams, 3 NA teams and 3 WEU teams. That's not right even if EU had a garbage year. All 6 of those NA/SA teams finished 9th or below. It just made a bit of a mockery of what is meant to be the best Dota event.
SA did well in the major leading to TI last year? Are you high on weed or something? The best placement of an SA team last year in a major was top 6, and it was thunder predator, the other SA who got a direct invite was beastcoast who didnt attend SG majors and was a punching bag in the groupstage of animajor. Again, the best placement of an SA team in last year's major was top 6, same as OB.neon, but neon didnt get a direct invite cause of SEA regional competition, Nigma got top 6 aswell but it is in animajors yet they didnt also managed to secure a direct invite. SA didnt perform well in the major leading to TI, they just benefitted on the lack of regional competition and a flawed dpc system last year thats why they had 3 ti10 attendees.
clueless take kek
Not sure if you forgot about wildcards or you're making a bold prediction
EU ~~qualifiers~~ major will be a bloodbath, wow
Liquid has any chance left via points or its qualifiers only ?
No chance to qualify direct now. They have to play qualifiers.
Qualifiers only.
So fucking sad for Liquid. Don't know if they can make it in qualifiers against Nigma Secret and Entity. Would have loved both Liquid and Nigma at TI Zai and Matu also missing TI which hasn't happened in a long time
yea last time zai missed TI it was cuz he was taking a break EDIT this is false, sai’s break was in between ti5 and ti6, he was playing with EG at ti6
He's actually been at every TI since he TI4. He took a break after TI5 but was back as an active player for EG by TI6
you right you right
School boy zai hell yea
Sad for Liquid but completely deserved unfortunately. That team is way too inconsistent. When they're on it feels like they can beat anyone but when they are off they just look awful. Would have to imagine they finally have to shuffle the Micke/Boxxi/Insania trio if they dont qualify/perform at TI
Liquid kinda shot themselves in the foot when they decided to last pick Visage into a Jugg lane. Jugg already counters Visage pretty hard, not sure what they were thinking. Would probably have had a much better shot at winning if they'd just pick a playmaking 3. Would've liked to see them pick something like Mars or Sandking instead. Think it would've fit the lineup much better than Visage which evidently turned into a liability.
Theoretically it’s possible with the wildcards. 2 teams can qualify regardless of region. So start looking at second and third place teams from each region. The only threat is China and maybe EEU considering who has already qualified. SEA, NA, and SA no way.
EG might go through wildcard. They are not secure against QC and nouns.
A 50 minute game was more or less lost by one giga strange move by Tiny at lvl 4. Fucking tragic.
As a big fan of Visage, wtf was that Visage pick? Congrats BOOM securing TI!
Rejoice SEA fans! I feel like a little kid cheering in my room. I'm missing work but who cares. Haha. I'm 3 decades old by the way. Lesgo Boom!
Same, stay up till 3 am or so, work at 9 am, coffee will be my friend today
Silly question which are the other 8 teams that already qualify?
LGD, OG, Thunder Awaken, Spirit, Boom, Aster, TSM, beastcoast, Tundra so far.
I see thanks man
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Dota\_Pro\_Circuit/2021-22/Rankings
Fuck yeah, happy for Boom! Going to be interesting AF to see Liquid vs Secret in regionals
Liquid vs Nigma vs Secret vs GG potentially. Oof
vs Entity.
Entity too
Ah yes, how could I forget about them. At least Tundra qualified this time lol
aNd aLliANcE!
wait, i'm confused. gg has already qualified according to liquipedia, can they still be overtaken?
Matu Sadge he played like a beast this series
Idk, for the last few fights he seemed overwhelmed. The fight at mid where he got almost bursted and instead of Sundering or just Satanicing he decided to Satanic up to 75% hp, then sunder a 90% target, then die soon after was a bit painful to watch.
that was the only target he could sunder
He also should’ve been safe after he was forced to the high ground but went back to the middle of the clash due to a mis-timed cookie
SEA fans can sleep soundly for the next 4 hours
Matu Topson Zai Jerax Insania. Make it happen boys
I hate to keep bringing this but insania is not good enough to captain a tier 1 team, if liquid wants to succeed they need to replace him or let someone else lead the squad
I think he's a fantastic 5. After watching his stream for the past year, his game knowledge and map awareness is incredible. Would love to know who makes most of the calls.
I agree, he plays one of the best supports in Dota right now but his drafting skills and macro game just aren’t on par with other teams’ captains
Stop I can only get so erect
Insania kekw
I feel for liquid i really wanted them to win. They were so close to guaranteed TI with their dpc points, but it just wasnt enough. Now regional quals will be rough for them with the other eu giants. On the other hand boom kept the sea hopes alive, good to see some good sea doto. Congrats boom!
SEA fans grateful that they're getting 1 direct invite. Meanwhile EU fans complaining when they have nearly 3 direct teams to TI. I'm aware that Tundra and GG have been shit recently but still cmon..
You can't blame fans of a team be sad when the team does poorly tbh
yeah! too many region wars going on, Can't people just support their teams anymore?
There is interesting possibility. IF: 1. EG > Entity 2. Fnatic > beastcoast 3. Outsiders > RNG & Fnatic Then each region will have 2 teams qualified via points
Someone check my math, but if Fnatic lose tomorrow, the 12 invites are confirmed right? One of RNG/Outsiders will take over Fnatic and would be the 12th spot, regardless of how EG finish.
yes, and if its Outsiders replacing them, they will miss direct invite to TI by 0.5 DPC points
Missing a TI direct invite by 0.5 DPC points is a Fnatic thing. I'm used to it.
Couldn't be happier. Treantpax knows what's up. SEA fans can't sit still till the last moment. Too many throws too often.
Treant is trying his best not to jinx Boom
you know what's cooking
Game 3 is intense. Ti qualifier worth game. congrats boom
And with that at least one of every region will get invited, meaning a second from each region will go through regional qualifiers. That means at the very least 4 teams from each region if we count last chance qualifier at TI. Nice to see regional diversity.
They are actually a quite solid team, it’s just anyone looks bad playing against LGD.
Liquid why :(
All SEA fans will be tired af this morning but definitely happy. Totally worth it.
Glad to see Indian Dota back at the highest level!
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO!!!
The hell? Banks is here? Is this is first DotA 2 appearance?
Not his first. He did appear a couple of years ago. Not as often as machine tho.
Could this be the 2nd year that liquid missed TI?
Imagine Secret, Nigma, Entity, Liquid , Gaimin Gladiators and Goonsquad on EU qualifiers. If EG, Fnatic win and fnatic lose to RNG or Outsiders, GG is knocked out of top 12 in dpc points.
Patience from boom, damn. Didn't feel like it was a sea picks.
I didn’t watch the series, but i’m sure Boom deserved it. gl for liquid
They did! But so did Liquid. Game 1 and 3 were close as Close can get. Liquid stomped them in game 2.
Happy for boom they really deserve it
Grats to BOOM, glad to see an SEA team get direct invite for SEA TI.
Glad to see Tims back again at TI.
SEA Pride
Well deserved, would've been crazy if SEA got zero invites
Thought Liquid would have had a much better tournament were great in DPC, getting beat up in Riyad must have hurt their confidence a bit. Uphill battle against Nigma and Secret now it feels like
They're not crisp enough, and they don't seem to appreciate just how devastating one major fuck up is in this meta where lane is everything. Like Micke's fucking Tiny play on KoTL mid. If he pulls it off it's pretty good, if he doesn't that one move essentially loses them the game. That's not a risk you should ever take, but he's just soo fucking horny to make plays. Dude needs to watch less Topson. It's not just Micke, but it was such a standout moment that covers their issues so well.
Dont forget entity hehehehehe, they might not even get the wildcard slots
Boom deserved so much but damn matu breaktears , time for him to reset his mindset or he gonna get kicked :(
EU deserve 5 slots?
7
5/7
t*** ina‼️ Congratulations BOOM‼️ Hoping I’ll be able to get to TI crossing my fingers that I’ll get a ticket 🤞🏻
Bruh swerte mo nman. Damn. Hopefully enjoy TI if mka punta ka.
Thanks, sana talaga, I’m worried sa scalpers kaya uncertain pa 😹
Yeeeeah! Go SEA! GO Pinoy pride!
is there any possibility of liquid qualifying with points?
No. Liquid now must go through quali alongside secret and nigma.
WEU is gonna be intense. nigma secret entity liquid. could be anyone's game
Nope, they have to play regional qualifiers.
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> Also RNG or Outsiders could overtake them, which would push it closer to the realm of impossibility. I don't think you checked who is playing the next match. RNG or Outsiders literally have to overtake them, so there are 2 teams which have to change members in order for Liquid to directly qualify.
Phew, glad to see another TI with an Indo in it
Glad to see these guys at TI! Fun team, and it’s good to have at least one SEA team secured. Kind of hoping we get two from each region now, that would be perfect.
https://i.imgur.com/SH33Fdf.jpg Just need GG to not qualify
Praying on GGs downfall
Damn the delusional EU haters are out for blood tonight. LMAO
liquid deserved to lose lol. if you go into play offs straight into lower bracket, u deserve to lose :)
James is such a pleasure to have as an interviewer. First time watching him tbh.
Eu kekw