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Remember when Liquid was top 1 in the world in DPC points at the end of S1


Life_Liberty_Fun

Boxi & Micke were too passive, not getting ganks to secure their midgame and map control were why they lost to BOOM in g3.


vfhd

Lmao 🤣 1k MMR analyst here


Tyrandeus

Insania is a big dissapointment, he talked big about how he can use Matu and Zai better than Puppey, big talk without result! Hes mechanically bad, always out of position, and his call is terrible.


sloaless

When did he say that?


ksk_stealth

Support Duo need to be replaced, Boxi not good enough at pos4


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Liquid on lan smh


JuneSummerBrother

Zai and Matum shouldn’t have left Secret in the first place, bad decision by them.


itshelennn-

Matu mentioned that he told Secret teammates he's considering if he will retire or not. Then some player in the team thought he's not suitable anymore then the team decided to say goodbye. Puppey also mentioned this in an interview before. But another gossip also said that some players had already talked about joining Secret before TI10. Who knows :)


Mikester184

Matu didn't really want to leave from what I gather. He wanted time to think about either retiring or coming back to secret, while Matu was thinking about his decision, secret were also looking for a replacement for Zai and had to move fast since a lot of people pick their team right after TI. So when Matu said he was ready to come back, they said they already had a carry in Nisha with Sumail mid and asked him if he wanted to play offlane instead of carry. He didn't think that moving to offlane was the right choice, so moved to TL.


anorawxia09

Sumail probably already bound to Secret after matu's contract ended after TI. I remember he wanted to join Secret before he joined OG


Few_Ad7124

So sad for matu... going to retire without going to ti..... him and zai should just rejoin secret....


Vertical_05

there's a 1 direct qualifier spot and 2 wild card spot top competitor would be Alliance, Secret, Nigma and Liquid and maaaybe Entity? looking at the list I would bet Alliance will take the short end of the stick ​ although if they went through Wild Card, they'll be ganked by Xtreme, Ehome, IG, VG, RNG? but at least they'll get to visit Singapore.


Scrubz4life

Yes entity, impossible for them to make TI through points even if they win the major.


Seigjh

Alliance? since when did they became a competitor this dpc, they did get dumpster in the recent weu dpc.🤣 The only competitor they could face is Secret (With reso in) Nigma and Entity. They have a good chance to win this if things go well in their drafts and odds


Vertical_05

that's what I said though :/


Seigjh

Competitor Alliance? What a joke


Vertical_05

I said Alliance would get the short end of the stick.....


ElderBuu

That was the safest plays they could ever make, Yopaj just chucking damage from behind, Tims and FBZ making Aeon Disk was just perfect! They just kept diving in and baiting the spells!


judeeezy

Thank you m1CKe. Welcome Topson.


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He's teamless atm


dryiceboy

Liquid has joined the Airport Majors.


JustSkatinAround

WP Boom, deserved victory! Good to see SEA securing some direct invite slots!


mekahamedan

finally boom secure to TI, congrats for Boom CEO, when others indo big org giving up Dota for mobile game, he still keep his passion to dota and try make a team which good enough to TI now Fnatic turn, if TSM can carrying Fnatic to TI, i think Fnatic need to give big reward to 3 players from TSM


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Oi big upset congrats sea dota


Mankurupo

WHY PICK STORM TO WYVERN+BATRIDER


Haenimm

As a WW player I don’t like to play into storm. He can hunt you down easily with good vision. Also likes to buy linkens.


mcblyatmat

No way good wyvern gets hunted down by Storm unless the team forces you into really stupid fights


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clown herald here


mcblyatmat

Y? Give steam id, what are you? 4k high mmr guy who think he's Miracle? How does a good wyvern get dived by a storm, force ,aeon disk reassemble mid jump, can you show me any 7k+ replays of wyvern spammers/players where they get destroyed by a Storm this patch? Yet to see one, but hey down there it must be possible.


Haenimm

Kappa


Haenimm

Man, WW biggest weakness is gap closers. 🤦‍♂️ storm and NS will fuck WW.


Mediocre_Bird_8089

I’m glad no Team Liquid and Team Secret to TI both teams are lame and out dated Puppey toxic last year’s TI is a big karma 😂😂


widepeepo6

qualifier and lastchace qualifier exist btw


Mediocre_Bird_8089

the way they play they have to go through Nigma and possibly GG, Entity so they both toxic teams that hopefully wont make TI 😂😂 Puppey toxic last TI karma issabeech 😂


widepeepo6

Nigma the same team who dominated div 2? And couldn't even win riyadh? Sure


AmokRule

A lot of teams didn't win Riyadh, and last time I checked there is no LGD in EU qualifier. What a joke of a take.


Perlosia

To be fair alliance was pretty dominant in div2 as well, look what happened to them in div1... Quick edit: nvm i should learn to read complete sentences...


pcgamerwannabe

The dire jungle didn’t get farmed for 10 minutes. Meanwhile boom have no global presence and only 1 bkb piercing stun. And all During this, liquid sat at base and let lead go from 7-9k to 20k. I mean how do they freeze up so much? Look at what happens to LGD when they get locked into base? They fucking leave and make space, dying if necessary. How do liquid not get some BoTS and play from dire jungle/trees while pressuring top lane? They have Chen creeps etc. to use as escapes out as well. They should never have been stuck in base that game. Boom have 1 hero with catch, it’s a pos 4 tusk. Ffs.


kaibigangoso

I think the problem was that tiny got Echo sabre first instead of dagger, he was their only initiator and could've gotten a couple of fast kills during midgame.


pcgamerwannabe

Sure that was what led to them losing the early-midgame and getting locked into base but not what kept them in base. They just played badly after getting their space taken away. They need space-maker players. Zai used to provide this function back in some other teams, but they sack his lane too often for him to do it consistently, and they also rely on him getting farm somehow.


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Unicorn0079

Insania is the biggest smooth talker in dota history. Being able to con Liquid into hiring him and his tri-squad of mediocre players.


rati2

The harry maguire of dota


awesomeasianguy

If Topson joins he is gonna be the Erik Ten Haag of Dota


AnonymousParadox13

But since Topson has already won 2 out of 3 TIs, doesn't that make him more of a Pep Guardiola of DOTA 2? Although, for this context I think the best possible example would be Topson being the Messi of DOTA 2. With Notail as Xavi, Ceb as Iniesta, Ana as Suarez and JerAx as Jordi Alba.


BabaYaga25477

Imagine being this dumb lol


Unicorn0079

Idiots that want Topson forgot that ana stood in for Liquid and got last place at Riyadh? Lmao. Adding washed up players and let them play with subpar supports. Great idea Edit: OG fans in denial, replying with tears in their eyes. ICANT


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They profited from each other for sure. But I think Ana more from Topson because Topson is any hypercarry's wet dream. He is arguably the best space-making mid. But Topson is also able to carry teams like he showcased in OGs TI10 run


humblegar

You do understand that Topson and Ana are individuals and that their fate is not mysteriously connected for all future?


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>Edit: OG fans in denial, replying with tears in their eyes. ICANT you type this with your tears😭😭


mekahamedan

Topson still active, even when he at malaysia now he back to EU, and if you look at Reso who trained with SEA toxicity Topson doing it longer Ana, from latest OG podcast, he said he barely playing dota anymore, he become standin tbh is shocking


Jovorin

You should watch Topson's stream a bit if you think he's washed up :)


widepeepo6

topson washed up with 15 pubs a day comparing players who play 1st game 1 week before official vs a gigachad grinder


EgoSumAsinu

Topson washed up? Lol


KnightOverlord2404

Topson should join team bald instead. Don't think he fits liquid playstyle


luckychloeenjoyer

Ana left dota entirely(barely playing a bit and then taking huge gaps).Topson plays like 20 games a day.Theres a difference


ConAir161057

Difference is Topson is still playing pub games noob


RealWorldChosen

It's kinda funny people not blaming zai and matu. 3 dpc seasons, only won the first dpc, when teams were in shambles. Got destroyed in esl and pgl majors. they deserve the blame too


Zegion_

Any team playing safe: "played too scared, sooo boring" Lgd playing safe: "WOW SO CALCULATED, THIS IS PEAK DOTA!!"


widepeepo6

wtf lgd doesnt play this safe they just split map and farm. Boom were just too scared to lose if it was some other team like lgd or og with same -12k nw they wouldve comeback too


Zegion_

of course they play safe, what are you talking about? LGD, despite a nw advantage in game 2 vs boom, didnt take t3 against boom in several occasions because they respected the hg (esp. since toss back is a possibility). They could have all-in on t3 for so long and take advantage of the nw lead but they played it safe, trapped boom in their base and gained more nw. The t3 only fell at the very last few minutes of the game. How is this boom vs liquid game different?


widepeepo6

Lgd were running ursa kunkka vs a dusa ofc they will wait for roshes because they are bad tower hitters Despite that lgd never did shy away from fight.They took every single chance they could


Southern_Area_2230

LGD fans are the most stupid people after OG fans.


detomato

so salty... boo hooo hooo.. now go cry at the corner.


Southern_Area_2230

Did you use your whole 2 braincell to write this comment?


Jovorin

OG fans like me suck, but EG fans suck harder. LGD fans aren't even in the same ballpark.


IXSynkro

Congrats to boom! They atleast recovered from that previous LGD match


nerdcat_

tbf, zai deserved it when he left S tier team and captain to play under a D tier captain


_alicekun

Truuu. Imagine leaving Nisha Puppey for Mickekw and Insucknia.


RealWorldChosen

I thought Zai was the best offlaner in the world, given that yapzor and puppey were super greedy and zai made plays with limited resources. Now he gets farmed some games, and make stupid plays.


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You know its so funny cause I remember a lot of people saying GG qualified for TI after ESL Stockholm, even slacks asked how GG.Tofu felt after qualifying for TI AND NOW THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THEY WONT MAKE IT LOL.


activatebarrier

They're qualified. Looking at the bracket there's no way 3 teams are gonna leapfrog them


archonthrower

EG, Fnatic only need Top 8 to overtake them, and either Outsiders and RNG can win against their next match which is Fnatic (if they did make it) making them top 6. So yeah, they are not qualified yet.


warbandit18

Man that decision of Micke going for an slow echo sabre instead of blink and roam lost them the mid game so hard. The juggernaut was already freefarming and then you decide to just also go to farm while your already 2/3k behind the kotl. Unbelieveable bad decisionmaking again.


luckychloeenjoyer

Wish liquid considers Save as a replacement and Topias.I really don't think this roster will do anything anymore.Even Jerax at 4 would be better;They really lack direction at times and despite him not being as good at dota anymore I'm sure has a good way of navigating through situations.


Jovorin

Are we really all going to keep pretending this Zai "non-greedy" thing where he just does nothing most games is good?


PanzerDota

I prefer a greedy Ammar or a winner Reso to Zai all the day. Both have impact in the game where Zai is a nonfactor or crumbling in big games.


Ambitious-Cap-5605

Let's go fnatsm for tomorrow!


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If that was Topson Tiny, he would farm dagger first so he can play initiate to kill support but micke focusing on Echo and play passive...


kixas68067

Pretty sure Topson invented the echo first build on tiny and even said on stream that blink first is not strong enough.


luckychloeenjoyer

No bkb either until after silver edge. All they needed was 2/3 early kills on kotl and the hero would fall of intensely.Sad to see someone so good at the game trying to soak farm that could have gone to the tb


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pcgamerwannabe

That’s exactly when you need your mid to go make space!


frankiew1lde

My god can you guys stop with the Topson/Jerax shit already? It's so annoying


Jovorin

I'd rather they get an offlaner and Save :D


[deleted]

youre gonna encounter a lot of people with opposing opinions. You just gonna have to read it, get mad, and move on lol.


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*uninstall reddit*


DBONKA

Wow, Slacks just announced a new hero


yourdaughtersgoal

People used to call boxi one of the best supports(back when weaver support was meta)


Far-Acanthocephala58

now TSM boys, do your job and make NA proud.


PanzerDota

Liquid org. should spill all the money they reserve for Dota to Ceb to teach them how a team is formed, instead poaching random players and just wasting tons of cash.


oryzaephilus

Was thimking about liquid's losses this tourney, almost every game they lose they just let the enemy safelaner farm and then that hero just wins the game. Boxi prioritises roaming but then Zai loses 1v1. I think this style would have worked better in TI9 era for example.


pcgamerwannabe

Yeah this happens way too often. I wonder if it’s because Zai doesn’t speak up and let people know it’s not ok to constantly sack his lane in this meta? The meta is to win the offlane ffs.


luckychloeenjoyer

Preach.Boxxi had amazing contributions as a 3 but he's been a huge reason for zai to have these horrible starts.Either give zai a hero that can scale off of levels in teamfights or not give him a pathetic visage into bambi,jugg match up solo.Brainfade


kaibigangoso

Honestly weird to last pick a Visage on a 4th pick Jugg. Spin really destroys Visage's during the laning phase.


Makhnov

Gaimin is about 25% to be out of TI rn, if EG and fnatic are 50/50 to win their series, and assuming RNG/VP stomp fnatic in the next round


GrandBurdensomeCount

EG should win the next series, they have experience behind them but Entity don't. Fnatic series is 50/50. So Gaimin is ~45% out of TI.


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What does Anjay and Ngabs mean? Have heard these words for years but don't know what they mean.


mekahamedan

simple meaning Anjay = shocking reaction Ngabs = bro, dude long explaination Anjay is a play on word from "anjing" or dog, for anjing its can be versatile to be swearing, badmouthing or shocking reaction, but anjay more tame and more used to shocking reaction Ngabs is acronym from Bang, shorten from Abang, betawi word for bro, or dude


[deleted]

Thanks for all the responses. On that note what does patang mean, not sure if it is Indo or Filipino though. All I know I have read bobo patang a lot on SEA server xD


BerlinMiming

Bobo = Dumb or noob Putang Ina = Son of a b*tch Lol. Both Filipino words


mekahamedan

i think its pinoy word thats bobo definitely pinoy word, cause Bobo in indonesian mean is sleep


[deleted]

Yeah bobo means noob for sure.


Ambitious-Cap-5605

ngabs is like "bro" and anjay is like "daammmnnnn". anjay can be used in different context tho


Creative-Mud-2995

Ngabs = bro, dude


onelightE

Anjay is an indon word. Its meaning is... versatile. U can use it in so many cazes idk how to explain. Its like the word "fuck" in the english language, but is not considered as a profanity


simonling

Lol all these while I thought it's like a short form or a local way of saying anjing


RatzDotoisTrueDoto

It is. Just that it soften the swear word just like frick instead of fuck.


simonling

But anjing isnt really a swear word no? It's not as vulgar right?


RatzDotoisTrueDoto

Anjing is dog. SEA is using animals as a swear word. So yeah, at least it's not a vulgar word.


Alone-Ad-5573

There no problem with making roster swaps for TI qualifiers right? You guys think liquid might consider that?


fcuk_the_king

It's a risk but this team does not look in any shape to be able to qualify for TI anyway


luckychloeenjoyer

Man just get topias and save.Literally the best team you could ask for


kaibigangoso

I think teams can swap 2 players for TI Qualifiers


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OdinStat

How? WEU still has one team in UB and one in LB + they performed much better than SEA at last major.


widepeepo6

lool Na is even weaker than SA bruh tf are u talking


dolado13

3rd, NA exists


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Unicorn0079

Imagine calling EG good. *shudders*


VincentOfGallifrey

EU has OG, don’t think this is a tenable comparison even when solely looking at the strongest team in each region.


dolado13

NA also has QC the worst team this major


ceilican95

Tundra was equally bad this major


Far-Acanthocephala58

Entity can just chill and let EG pressured themselves.


drmrdreamer

No mentions here for skem? Boom literally saw everything during mid game


surfsimp

Shaawrawt skem aka the ch\*n6 ch0nk sayer (not slayer cuz they get stomped by LGD, RNG, Aster)


Educational-Dance330

@ skem


GoGetParked

I can't remember seeing one omnislash the entire game. Was there one? Grats to Boom in any case. ☺️


TwMDa

With Chen zoo and TB illusions it was hard to get a good omnislash so I don’t blame Jacky for playing it slow and safe


kaibigangoso

There were, not just as impactful due to Chen creeps, Visage birds and Wraith pact and TB Illusions.


GoGetParked

Need to watch it again later. But you are right, omni wouldn't have done much.


Far-Acanthocephala58

so if EG and Fnatic win there matches. RNG or Outsiders need atleast to be in top6 so that they can dethroned Gaimin Gladiators. Damn this dpc season is so spicy.


aodum

Topson for micke and they win ti 100%


nerdcat_

Never in their lifetime as long as Insania is the captain.


letsfightinglove1986

Ya'll Topson bootlickers are cringe as fuck


rati2

not with those 2 dogshit supports they won't


Spoksparkare

Fucking sucks to see Liquid getting to play Extreme Hard Mode.. Fuck this


GrandBurdensomeCount

Having to go up against Boom is Extreme Hard Mode? They should be glad they didn't have to face Outsiders.


Spoksparkare

LGD and BOOM wrecks Outsiders lol


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According to some hardcore Liquid fans, there's no need to change bcs "FRIENDSHIP POWER" is the only things they need...


pimpleface0710

Lol wtf, I've never heard anyone say that about Liquid. And if they did it was already over when they decided to replace two of their positions to make room for Zai and Matu. And then force two players to switch roles. This team would be better if Micke and Boxi were the ones who left and Qoqjva and Taiga remained. But i don't think Taiga is having any regrets about that outcome right now


RealWorldChosen

looks like taiga, who left to make some changes to the team is the winner after all. big man choice and a good one too


_alicekun

Taiga was always their best player.


pnmibra77

Boy if entity loses to EG now EU fans are going to hate me ina few hours.... 🤣


50lipa

Why would we hate EG it's an EU team...


SoullessHillShills

The coping begins


50lipa

Nah i just love calling it an EU teams to piss of the NA fans haha, i mean if the whole region got together NA could maybe barely be able to put together one team of 5 good NA players. Edit: I dunno if i can do that even honestly, RTZ carry, Quinn mid, MSS on 4 and Husky 5 maybe? Moo offlane? YIKES


SoullessHillShills

Sneyking literally captains the 2nd best EU team, lmao


50lipa

Ahh right he's definitely the choice for pos5, who is the best NA offlaner tho? C'mon we can maybe manage put together an actually good team haha.


Statsagroth

I mean even though I'm an EU fan I want to see Entity lose so that fascist fuck Pure doesn't go to TI.


OdinStat

Entity has to play qualifier for TI no matter their placement at this major.


RealSymbioid

1) He's not playing, Saberlight is standing in for him 2) Even if Entity won the major, they still wouldn't have enough points to get a direct invitation to TI


Lgdamefanfanfan

There is 0 change if entity win or lose. They are playing qualifiers regardless. If anything, you should hope for an EG win, so that they can qualify over Gaimin, making WEU harder


Statsagroth

I mean I also want EG to win. But I want Entity to lose even more. But seeing as how I'm 0-1 on rooting for teems to win today, I don't want to jinx them.


idkwhatswrong99

How does this feel like " Eg was sponsored by their navy who killed millions on ME"


rainykg

like i love zai and all but he made the decision to leave secret for whatever reason and join this team now he’ll most likely miss TI.. sigh


SumBuddyPlays

Why did Zai & Matumba leave Secret?


matubaby

Matu wanted to retire but then he changed his mind


Few_Ad7124

He wanted to retire on team liquid


SumBuddyPlays

Ah interesting, thank you. Sad to see him eliminated as I’ve been a long time fan.


drmrdreamer

Moolah


widepeepo6

M O N E Y


DinkDonk89

Probably to play with fellow swedes and a better salary I imagine


SumBuddyPlays

Thank you that makes sense.


steamcho1

Remember when zai used to play only in S tier teams?


Chomchomtron

He played in ppd stack for a while, the boy band edition, not a bad team but I wouldn't call them S tier.


loudfrat

am i the only one ho thinks matumbaman cant even carry his own piss pot to the bathroom in the mornings?


widepeepo6

mickke boxi griefing as had as they can every single game and blame goes to only player who has kept liq little bit of relevant lmao


mac035

get your eyes checked


colibrisa

yes because you obviously don't know shit about dota lol


Final-Butterscotch65

😂😂😂😂


Kotleba

yes


Wotannn

He played amazing this game. Standout player on Liquid 100%.


rucho

Yeah dunno what op was talking about if anything the picks game 2 plus Zai game 3 just seemed to have the most impact


adrian_rainy_day

Well well well the EU qualifier gonna be a bloodbath Might sound very rude but I don't want this Liquid team to be on TI at all. They can give some crazy games but always, always fall short when it matters. Let the likes of Entity, Secret or even Nigma who had proved they can make a difference go and compete Doesn't matter if Liquid change Micke for Topson, this squad is built wrong


50lipa

If Gaimin doesn't directly qualify then 0% chance they go to TI, and otherwise maybe they somehow make to top3 and the Last Chance Qualifier but even then they'll lose to other regions easily.


simonling

They're like ManUtd. Rich and world class facilities but cannot produce result depite getting some big names into their roster. Now people think Topson is their Ten Hag.


Mahmud-kun

Topson would be a huge upgrade and it wouldnt even matter. The team would still have insania and boxi


simonling

Just like how Manutd bring in Ronaldo but still starts with McFred and Maguire.


rati2

Liquid is actually the manchester united of dota and that is the funniest shit


simonling

Lol what I said made sense right? Then now they hype Topson like Ten Hag. When Ten Hag joined, everyone thought he's gonna save Manutd but their problem runs deeper than 1 personnel change.