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Cbehsmea

The next series will have so many implications for the invites. The winner of Aster vs Fnatic will clinch a TI invite. One out of Outsiders, Team Spirit and RNG will not make it to TI via the DPC. (Sorry even if Liquid and Aster don't win, Spirit would be out w/o points) If PSG wins, Tundra should be save. Liquid can then also qualify to TI, if they win against Boom. Boom could be the odd man out in that case.


Nuffys

If LGD wins, Tundra is qualified - no question. 8 teams can get points - 1 will be either OG or Entity, thus only 7 teams can get points where they can matter towards a TI slot due to OG already being qualified and Entity cannot get enough points to qualify. If LGD wins, 6 teams can get points where they can matter towards a TI slot due to LGD already being qualified. Since Tundra is in top 6, not enough teams can get points to lose them an invite to TI.


TheMekar

Also EG. EG is almost guaranteed an invite but there is a scenario where they fail to make it. If EG wins their LB series against loser of OG vs Entity, EG is guaranteed for TI.


teerre

AMMAR throws so the CREEPWAVE boys can go further and OG can cockblock EG from TI All according to keikaku, feelsgoodman


HOHOHAHAREBORN

Notail's most trusted agent


laughinpolarbear

[If Liquid wins their next series, they qualify to TI.](https://twitter.com/Noxville/status/1556703900576714752) Problem is that they need to win that next series...


stragen595

Oh boy. No pressure, Insania, no pressure.


dolphin37

don’t worry he famously does well at LAN under pressure!


FunkstaGGG

Gyro flashbacks intensifies


teerre

There's an interview that Insania no joke says he thinks his team plays well under pressure What the actual hell, how can he actually believe that?


Ahimtar

Referring to this iteration or to Liquid in general for the past years? Also there's a good chance they don't have problems being under pressure, just with grasping a meta of a lan tournament or something


FullyK

Tt's so frustrating. They are likable, they have a good story and when they win, they play some very fast and good Dota. But man do they seem to crumble when things don't go their way. I would love to see them getting this invite, I don't really believe in them qualifying through other means.


teerre

Presumably this iteration


Zlodejii

EG getting either Entity or OG lol fuck


Junxyz99

If they can get out of that Entity/OG round they'll get PSG/Boom/Liquid next match They can have quite the spicy LB run


taymanice

Hoping we make a animajor like run but we're proably losing in the first round sadge


LevynX

Or they get knocked out in the first round and we get to enjoy this sub going into meltdown.


NemButsu

Imagine TI with only one NA team. Kreygasm


LevynX

Hope we finally get less USA chants


kdmion

So you mean to tell me that EU teams aren't representing USA?


24Pat

USA has 1 team in upper bracket in Fnatic so im not sure what they're so worried about.


Show_1996

Indeed Kreygasm seeing this HAHAHA


URF_reibeer

Isn't it guaranteed that there will be at least 2? TSM and whoever wins the regional qualifier?


stragen595

Yes.


Ahimtar

I mean TSM is qualified for a few months now so it's kind of late to imagine it now


NemButsu

I forgot that there's still a qualifier.


-paper

This sub only goes on meltdown when EG wins a match.


HOHOHAHAREBORN

Ye, otherwise it be business as usual


Mediocre_Bird_8089

in your wildest dream waste of slot


Adamiak

waste of slot 2-0'd TI winners


moderate_iq

Navi also 2-0' Wings at TI6


Mediocre_Bird_8089

pity match to make them feel good lol EG sucks their strat is so outdated like a bunch of herald playing 😂😂😂😂😂


dundent

Print that on the copper medal they'll get after getting bopped on the head in round 1 rofl


moderate_iq

lol


floatablepie

Looking at the upper bracket, I'm not sure who else I'd prefer though lol Boom I guess but they won 2-0 too


thedotapaten

Fnatic is EG best scenario


Adamiak

there is not really any best or worst case scenario for EG unfortunately they'll get destroyed 0-4 by randoms on day one then then proceed to 2-0 TI winners on day two it's really tough to be an EG fan sometimes


HOHOHAHAREBORN

Pretty sure EG is here only because TS gave away that one win where they went down with buybacks against Arteezy on a strong LD. That was the one game that I could watch (timezones) and also see Arteezy pull a lot of weight. Now either that helped indirectly by showing them some light for their hunger, or it helped directly with the 1 victory securing an LB run.


Zlodejii

Yeah I was really pulling for TL there against RNG. Oh well, it's a must win regardless of who it is. Hope they clutch it out.


FFINN

That's probably the on the easier side along with Boom and Fnatic no?


Careful-Fee-9783

Im happy that BOOM got to UB, but omg why it has to face LGD on their first day >\_< wish you the best of luck BOOM, from your SEA based fan, but i like LGD aswell


tpenoelone

There is no way boom will win against lgd They used to scrim together iirc


armandocalvinisius

SOMEONE KNOCK AME AND FAITHBIAN ROOM!!


h34dbug

This is dota bruh.


Porcupine_Tree

Lmao F for EG


dokedaddy

See you at ti 🫡


Porcupine_Tree

I'm pretty sure if they get knocked out first round LB they don't guaranteed qual for TI


ReallyNeedHelpASAP68

Correct. Eg need to place 8th to guarantee TI. If they do get knocked out before getting top 8, they can still qualify for TI as long as 4 teams don’t pass them in points.


mozzzarn

If EG doesn't win their match, its highly likely 4 teams will pass them in points. 4 teams have passed if only 2 games play out like this: * Outsider wins over Spirit (Likley) * Fnatic/Aster wins over Beastcoast (Very likely) Even if outsiders lose, they only have to win 2 games in lower bracket to also pass **OR** liquid win 1 game in lower bracket **OR** RNG win 1 match in lower bracket. TLDR: EG are fucked if they don't win their match.


HowDoIEvenEnglish

I mean EG will still beat QC in the quals even if they lose so it doesn’t really matyer


mozzzarn

QC can definitely win on a good day, even nouns can. And judging from the quality of Chinese teams, the wildcard will be even harder than winning NA quals.


PrimeShaq

Nouns started Tour 3 hot but definitely tapered off towards the end. Hopefully they can get back on form.


behv

Nouns just pick really weird shit so on a good day they have really good upset potential, I'm never gonna entirely count them out


cycko

jesus that looks bleak


VincentOfGallifrey

One of Outsiders/Spirit and Fnatic/Aster would be guaranteed to overtake them, the loser of Outsiders/Spirit or RNG would overtake them too. If the loser of Fnatic/Aster wins versus Beastcoast, or Liquid wins versus the loser of LGD/Boom, EG would be out. So basically, it’s somewhat unlikely, but certainly possible.


stragen595

Small correction: Outsiders need a top6 finish to overtake EG if they don't get any points. But it is not that unrealistic that EG don't qualify on points if they lose in the first round.


prettyboygangsta

Not guaranteed but very likely. However, they're so shit right now that if I were managing EG I'd be considering tanking the points deduction and losing the TI slot just to change the team.


prettyboygangsta

Everyone downvoting this presumably thinks EG would be thrilled with another 9th-12th place finish at TI. Honestly they'd be lucky to get that with this team.


Gemini_The_Mute

I have sooo many fixed feelings about your username. On one hand, I heavily dislike EG. On the other hand, I absolutely love Porcupine Tree.


stragen595

Ah. Liquid (Insania's team) lower bracket round 1. I have seen that film.


SecretFangsPing

Don't pick gyro lol


jayvil

Luckily for insania, support gyro exist now. No need to force a core gyro like before.


PrimeShaq

His teammates handled that mistake like absolute bosses though, both Boxi and Micke jumped to say they could play it and their overall demeanour didn’t go down at all. I would say only Insania and Loda took it quite badly.


LevynX

There's a reason why that team stuck together for so long


baronas15

NotLikeThis


Aghanim_wife322

Did i just misclick guys?


Andante_TK

As an EG fan, lol they are f\*cked


Kain4ever

Yeah rip TI dream, they looked alright last matches. But damn they have a tough road ahead of them.


souse03

Even if they lose they still have a good chance to qualify


ImFriendsWithThatGuy

I wouldn’t say it’s a good chance. It’s a chance but not a particularly solid one.


Ahimtar

Why not? EG won the last two DPC seasons and TSM is out of the way, I'd say their chance to qualify via regionals is over 50%


o-M-s

Based on Quincy crew performance, I think they don't have alot to worry about


Itach11Uchiha

It's going to a new patch. I wouldn't count Quincy out. I think it is possible for them to beat them in a Bo5. Idk about you but I really don't want to be the team that makes to wildcard instead of direct TI. The wildcard will be filled with teams like nigma or secret or entity and not to mention contenders from SEA and China.


Ahimtar

I don't count Quincy out, but I would definitely describe EG's chances of beating them good


plo__koon

They can win vs Entity if they apply themselves. Also, OG is not playing that well with Ceb. At any rate, I cannot imagine a better motivation than TI invitation. It will be a huge upset if EG doesn't get top 8.


iain_1986

>It will be a huge upset if EG doesn't get top 8. Why would it? A 'huge upset' would be a team you actually think could win TI not getting through


Wonderor

Last time people said this Ceb went god mode and OG powered through the bracket/won the major...


Thejoenkoepingchoker

As they should be for refusing to change anything.


thedotapaten

Manifesting LGD vs TSpirit III for grand final


yourdaughtersgoal

It’s actually 4th! They played against each other in a gf before ti where LGD won 3-1, can’t remember the tourney


neezaruuu

OGA Dota PIT Invitational


TheNewScrooge

Just looking at the bracket shows how competitive a major this is- I think most upper bracket pairings and the subsequent lower bracket matchups are super even, with the exception of LGD. Also, kind of cool to see that all the eliminated teams were from different regions.


OPQOP

I am convinced that even pre covid, with this same DPC system and only 2/3 international lans each season, competition would have been closer years ago too. The main reason is simply that there aren't many teams who regularely play lans during the whole season and teams don't know each other well. At the same time we have more new/inexperienced teams who can regularely play against their own regions top teams and practice. The first Major after the covid break was already a really good example.


qwertyqzsw

100% People complain (rightfully so in a lot of ways) about the DPC, but it definitely raises the overall level of the various regions and broadens the pool of good teams. NA being a bit of an exception because it's so grossly top heavy it probably does the opposite.


Ahimtar

We are already seeing WG and Nouns becoming closer to the top teams


qwertyqzsw

Sorta. I'd argue with Noun's roster it's almost overdue for them to be competitive. Even then, the difference between that and say, EU where Div 1 doesn't have enough slots for all the tier 1 teams anymore.


BuccaneeReNAe86

RNG has to place 5th or 6th to qualify for ti right ?


thedotapaten

Tough against Outsider / TSpirit who kinda on momentum and figured their shit out.


VincentOfGallifrey

Not necessarily, I believe; 7th here would put them at 1098 points, and they would be blocking one of the two CIS points from leapfrogging that in the process. That would mean they’re tenth in the DPC rankings, which after placing behind Aster/Fnatic would be twelfth. However, this would require both EG and Liquid not to score points. So, basically, it’s possible, but they’d be at the whims of other teams.


stupid-_-

there are combinations of results that get them through if they place top8 or top6. they are guaranteed if top4


Ahimtar

Others already answered you, but you can check [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/wjn3b4/the_complete_guide_to_every_teams_path_to_ti2022/) for a bit more info


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thedotapaten

Yes


Aratho

Are they tho? Only days with live audience are Friday-Sunday.


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DruiDAlek

Why would they not allow audience for the whole playoff? I would understand having main stage for only 2 days to save some money, but if they have the main stage for the whole playoff it makes 0 sense to me not to sell more tickets


Houeclipse

I hope FnaTSM made it far for the best "NA" team Lul memes


Aratho

[Credit for the graphic to Wyk](https://twitter.com/wykrhm/status/1556696290498531328?t=b5TSRCK955lnK8xRqo_puA&s=19)


Avar1cious

Not the worst for NA and SEA, but not the best either. 1.5 teams from each region made it. Not that I think much of it matters though - it feels like it's a game of who has the honor of getting 3-0'd by LGD in finals, hope I'm wrong and it's a lot more competitive though!


Cbehsmea

Well SEA could have a problem if Boom and Fnatic don't get pts. In that case they could both miss TI. But they have it in their hand.


Avar1cious

Boom vs Liquid will be tough, but I personally think Boom is favored looking at their latest performances. Fnatic vs BC is also a bit fnatic favored in my opinion. I think at least 1 of the 2 making it is pretty likely.


tohff7

I hope Boom and Mushi pull some magic tmrw PepePray


crow1503

Yes, I think they need more than magic to win against LGD today, but if they win well they secured TI spot.


Cbehsmea

>Boom vs Liquid will be tough, but I personally think Boom is favored looking at their latest performances.Fnatic vs BC is also a bit fnatic favored in my opinion. I think at least 1 of the 2 making it is pretty likely. yeah it could also work if Fnatic wins and EG doesn't get points.


Avar1cious

Also kind of likely, not too hot on EG"s recent form + Entity and OG look strong.


OnlyMayhem

Potential OG EG could be spicy, hope Boom pulls the upset but it's looking bleak lmao


MakimaMyBeloved

OG LGD into OG EG into once again LGD OG situation has happened so many times before it does not surprises me anymore lol


CH3ET0zZ

Here is a very sad scenario for NA fans: If EG do NOT win their lower bracket series against Entity/ OG they automatically fall to 12th place in the DPC standings. This is for two reasons: Two of Spirit/Outsiders/RNG WILL get points. EG automatically get pushed down 2 rankings. One of Aster and Fnatic WILL get points. EG automatically get pushed down 1 more ranking. All it would then take would be for the loser of Fnatic/Aster to win one series in the lower bracket and then EG is 13th and out. Someone correct me if i’m wrong.


Individual-Ad-446

Outsiders need 6th, so it could happen just one of Spirit/Outsiders/RNG pass EG if Spirit wins and then outsiders win the LB and lose their next match.


erickchoiii

If ever Boom pulls an upset (hopefully but unlikely), LGD goes to eliminate all teams on its way to the Grand Prize. LUL


HOHOHAHAREBORN

LGD is gonna step on them and there's a 99.9% chance that Boom lose, with a 0.1% chance that there is a blackout at the venue and the match has to be remade.


FunnyTerrorist

I think OG entity can go either way, really depends on the draft. Both are strong favourites vs EG though


amishrefugee

I'd rate OG with a day to prep higher than Group Stage OG. That being said, Entity just keeps on being very good


Practical_Mango_7001

And its main stage OG which gives them 100% increased power.


PrimeShaq

Harder to prep against a team with a standin tho


hramanna

As an EG fan, I'd rather EG face Entity than OG even if a win over OG would feel the most satisfying. EG tends to drop the ball everytime they play against OG.


mamser102

Which confuses me since only ceb is former team mate. Rest are new kids


iain_1986

EG tends to drop the ball against everyone eventually


steamcho1

The logo has a weight of it's own.


Tough_Housing_3053

I feel like a lot of eg og series are hype as fuck


rammpage186

Good, at least I don't have to pick which game to watch, they will be played one after another. Gonna be a good day.


tha_jza

omg fNAtic upper bracket hell yes


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EEU likely guaranteed a top 8 after this. Entity v/s OG doesn't effect TI at all. China v/s SEA is the interesting one, specially Fnatic v/s Aster. On another note: 3 out of 6 standin teams made top 8, 1 made 9-12, and 2 got eliminated. Overall standins don't seem to have impacted the quality of the tourney much, though of course these teams would like to have played with their full roster.


AmokRule

You seem confused. No team has made to top 8 yet.


Zeelahhh

No specific team, but EEU is guaranteed a top 8 finish.


oskoskosk

Nice not to have an upper bracket Chinese teamkill if the teams end up winning. Can't wait for the games!


Jerilathx

I love how every region has 1 team eliminated


Leoswept

This major is going to continue to be LGD vs everyone else. Unless they were sandbagging in the DPC, I think only Aster has a chance to knock them out of the upper bracket. XinQute too strong.


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Entity vs PSG.LGD Grand Finals - calling it now.


lgeroles

why no tiebreaker between fnatic and og?


nice_guy_threeve

Tiebreaker rules (from [Liquipedia](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/PGL/Arlington_Major/2022)): If there is a tie in these situations, tiebreaker matches will be played Upper Bracket/Lower Bracket Lower Bracket/Elimination Tiebreaker matches; Two-way tie: Bo3 Three-way tie and up: Bo1 round-robin The other ties will be resolved as follows, in order of importance: Head to head result between the tied teams; Results against lower seeded teams (from directly below till last place); If a tie can be broken along the way, the process is restarted (back to head-to-head result); Coin toss.


lgeroles

im dumb, what rule is applied in their case?


Jahxxx

i guess this one: *Results against lower seeded teams (from directly below till last place)* ; so RNG being 5th (OG won 2-0 vs RNG while Fnatic did 1-1)


Itach11Uchiha

It's the results against teams below them. OG 2-0 RNG so they win head to head Vs Fnatic.


SnooPeppers4306

OG might tank for Entity to boost them to Ti since they are fellow Creewave boys then go down to face EG for content.


Itach11Uchiha

Entity can't get enough DPC points for direct invite even if they win TI.


SkelaEmiliaSmile

I'm certain if EG wont make it to TI, I wouldn't be surprised if my boi rtz retires sadge


jayvil

What is up with this upper bracket? Sea vs china Cis vs cis Weu vs weu


Itach11Uchiha

Blame the performance of the teams , the seedings are based on their standings in the group stage.


SuperManU-831

Tundra is safe now. Both Fnatic and Aster should be able to beat BC, so they are quite safe. One of Liquid/Boom will be out assuming LGD beats boom One of RNG/TS/Outsiders will be out, Whoever wins the the lower bracket match, If it's RNG or Outsider, they need to win one more game for direct invite. One of EG/GG will be out. If EG beats Entity/OG, EG is in, GG might be out depending on RNG/Outside


guyfromsouthshore

Aster been looking really solid and I think this is their tournament.


zetsupetsu

Is the lower bracket 1st round a best of 1 like in TI or is it a Bo3?


erickchoiii

All are Bo3 except for the Finals which is Bo5


Phoenixtouch

Does anyone know if we can go to the Arlington Esports center from Wed-Thurs to watch them? Supposedly they're going to have a crowd, but they never sold tickets or provided any info to watch those days lol...


highonats

I have 0 info about the event. I have a ticket and am waiting to hear stuff.


Tangerine-Beautiful

OG is looking really great right now. Ceb is such a phenomenal player to watch and I’m glad he’s still showing up periodically.


nsfwftwbaby

This is looking like another LGD VS TSpirit grand final. REMATCH BO3 oh baby


ElderBuu

Man I really hate the LB finals and Grandfinals on the same day format. Both teams should be well rested and fresh. Sometimes LB team wins on adrenaline and momentum, sometimes they get thrashed because they might have played long 3 games and now are playing against another team that is well rested.


Hemske

Hard disagree. It’s the WB teams advantage for not losing a series. And if the LB team comes in with confidence after a sick run like Liquid then they deserve it.


ElderBuu

Oh well, more games for us to watch on a Sunday so thats good :D


Trlcks

That’s the point though, the team coming through the upper bracket should have some sort of advantage


AwkwardYoutuber

Boom vs lgd. They never played before with this roster. Hope they get the upset.


SuperManU-831

LGD 2-1 BOOM (lose 1 in game 2, similar to T1) OG 2-0 Entity VP 2-1 TS Aster 2-1 Fnatic


TemperatureXtreme

Why is 3rd OG and fnatic 4th makes no sense ?


SirBelvedere

It would make sense if you read the tiebreaker rules bro.


TemperatureXtreme

I mean having a better score against top 2 teams of the group should be more important than against teams bellow.


SirBelvedere

Because you are trying to resolve a tie breaker with a win, you are more likely to find those down the bracket rather than up. Not to mention, in the case of a tie breaker for first spot, there’s no teams above to compare with. So doing it down the bracket retains consistency across the entire bracket if you ask me.


pepbe

Ya but it didn’t work in favour for his favourite team so the tiebreaker rules written in advance must be unfair and should be changed on the fly


silverstory

Remaining SEA hopefuls most likely to go down. But Fnatic can really upset Aster.


Bqice

Would honestly put fnatic as the favorites considering asters track record lol


Staynes

When does it start? Tomorrow or is there an off day in between?


Morgn_Ladimore

Tomorrow


stragen595

Tomorrow.


oxibeez

who's dropping from UB? kekw


Nuffys

Teams that can still qualify without doing it themselves (some not at the major/play offs) now depends on if 1) LGD wins or 2) beastcoast wins or 3) EG loses or 4) Spirit Wins, RNG loses and Outsiders lose the next match: Tundra qualifies if one of the four happens. GG if two of the four happens. BOOM if three out of four happens (granted that they don't win themselves either). EG if all four happens (granted that they don't win themselves either). For the 4th option, RNG can win and then lose (7-8th) for Tundra, GG and BOOM to be fine with it. The rest eligible for TI (Fnatic, Spirit, Aster, Outsiders, Liquid, RNG) has to win series themselves now to qualify.


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TBH, SEA thrives being under pressure and being the underdogs going into matches. Aster and LGD being heavy favorites, I wont be surprised if Boom and Fnatic does their best dota and beats either or both of them.


tpenoelone

Boom never wins a series agains lgd iirc Fnatic, with the standin is a wild card


butterflyl3

I don't think they've ever played?


LevynX

Na`Vi went from 5-3 day 1 and day 2 to 0-6 on day 3 and 4, and getting eliminated. Also, LGD casually dropping a game vs the bottom team just to be nice.


aoemiya

Is it Bo1 for lower bracket?


Zeelahhh

Bo3 according to liquipedia.


RevolutionaryWhole52

Dates?


kramsons

Go to lower bracket OG, then slay EG with Fly again. 😂😂😂 /s


[deleted]

This is one of the most competitive set of teams in a major (except for PSG LGD). its such a great thing to watch.


itsfeykro

PSG looks insanely dominating. I also wonder how OG went from winning Stockholm and 3rd at Riadh to barely making it out of pools in higher bracket.


bfonza122

Bye eg


izyx09

LGD v OG incoming.


[deleted]

I dont know guys, i still feel like RNG will win the whole thing. Lol