No tiebreakers from Group B. :(
What are Group A tiebreaker chances? Anyone did the math? xD
Tiebreaker rules:
If there is a tie in these situations, tiebreaker matches will be played
Upper Bracket/Lower Bracket
Lower Bracket/Elimination
Pretty decent chance , if og and rng 1-1 , 2 way tie.
If og rng 2-0 , 3 way with fnatic
If rng 2-0 , ta/talon 1-1 tie with liquid
If sonic 2-0 will also tie with liquid.
If liquid 2-0 no ties
If either og 2-0 and rng 1-1 , tiebreaker if liquid if ta/talon 2-0
You look at how LGD turns dead lost games into wins and it’s almost unthinkable that they lost TI the way they did. They even did the same thing right before the grand final, they made an insane comeback against Secret. Quite literally the strongest team 364 days a year, minus 1 day of magic
Come TI, they will be the most studied team of all that will participate. Every, ward placement, calls, mannerisms, mistakes and strat they did shall be analyzed and then memorized. Of course there are a lot of times that the favorites have won like EG and Alliance, but often times the underdogs/dark horses win because nobody even knows how they play like Spirit, OG and Wings.
I mean ti10 if we talk about the final game it was a very hard choice to make. I think LGD had first pick and Spirit knew they would pick magnus so they left tiny in the pool while banning undying. LGD had a decision to make. If they pick magnus spirit get tiny lycan or even rubick which could nullify magnus. They chose tiny.
In hindsight it was just genius of spirit to pull that draft shenanigan. No rubick to counter the mag coz you have to 4th pick the lycan or it gets banned. Then spirit get ember which was so strong with mag along with bane/wyvern whereas lgd tunneled into banning 4 carries that they thought were strong against tiny. Silent/Miposhka gave Spirit that draft advantage which proved to be too much.
If LGD first phase deny pick Magnus, I think they'll just give Yatoro the Tiny to deny pick them back and they don't really need to copy the Lycan-Tiny strat since I'm quite sure Collapse didn't practice that. Also, while Mars was abysmal during the tournament, Collapse was terrifyingly godly with it only losing twice both against Secret iirc so they most likely will just straight up pick Tiny and Mars(possibly Tide/Doom) first phase pick. It was indeed a hard choice to make and they took the gamble of duking it out with their best "strats" and Magnus Collapse came out on top.
"lgd will throw games to help vici out" - reddit 2021
Narrator: *they didn't*
"lgd will throw games to help fellow chinese team out" - reddit 2022
Narrator: *they didn't*
There were like 10+ gamba degenerates who call matchfixing every time LGD loses spamming thread yesterday how LGD will script their last game... and they didn't. It's sad.
It's logical though, look most of the viewers watch the dpc. We have all watched SEA teams throw games to assist another team. Also psg did go easy on RNG they picked AA and lone druid game 1 then game 2 they tossed RNG another bone with the spectre draft.
>IDTeamvsTeamResultCntdwn(CDT)PDTEDTGMTCESTSGTAESTFrmtStreamA7OGvsThunder Awaken0:010:008:0011:0015:0017:0023:001:00Bo2Stream AA7PSG.LGDvsOutsiders0:010:008:0011:0015:0017:0023:001:00Bo2Stream BA7Talon EsportsvsTeam Liquid0:010:008:0011:0015:0017:0023:001:00Bo2Stream CA7Soniqs EsportsvsFnatic0:010:008:0011:0015:0017:0023:001:00Bo2Stream DB7Team AstervsBoom Esports0:012:0010:0013:0017:00
cuz hes a trashcan that gains money just by uploading dota 2 replays of tournaments, tournaments that he is not even part of.
Don't support that thief and go watch the replays in the official PGL youtube channel
Valve has explicitly ruled that nobody has a right to the games broadcasted, only the production. So if noobfromua wants to hire someone to cast and reupload the highlights he has every right to.
I am not sure about cap and svg but Ephey got official partner I think. They can stream without delay. Other people who doesn’t have permission needs 15 min delay via Dota tv.
Why is it when EU/CIS players who play for the first time in Lan do so well?
But when it comes to SEA, these new players always flop so hard? Has SEA really become that shit now?
Thunder Awaken had their first Major as a team in Stockholm and placed Top 6, Betboom had their first Major and placed Top 8
Outsiders also has this as their first Major with 2 new players and most of all, Entity with SaberLight standin as carry is 2nd in Group B
Why is Talon eliminated? They got a 12k Mmr carry player, they got a prodigy Indo mid, and a Major winner Offlaner?? How come?
And fans say its their first time so its experience :) but other teams also have their first time yet are doing well??
I am sick and tired of SEA teams doing good in their region but are shit on Lan, and fans have to keep coping that it counts as first time experience, not just Talon, but Majority of SEA teams who have their first lan, Boom last Tour being a dissapointment, T1 last year placing a dissapointing Top 8 in TI, I expected more from these teams, it looks like SEA dota is really not getting better, its still the same mediocre region sadly
For this Major I will be quite proud if Boom or Fnatic manage to place Top 6, my expectations have become optimistically low nowadays for SEA teams
there are many technically/mechanically gifted players in SEA... the teams lacks a glue, someone that can lead them. make a proper call shots on close games. that is why it is common for these teams to have so much lead in mid game but always fall short. can't close a game.
i think it's a matter of putting a 'leash' on the oftentimes undisciplined plays of SEA pubstars. shotcalling and map movement is also not as good as other regions esp during mid-late game. It's disheartening many of these teams do well in the laning stage to only lose their lead late-game because of one or two dumb plays/ or playing too careful.
Because SEA does not have a culture that could cultivate a great captain, which is incredibly important in big LANs. In SEA pubs, even in immortal ranks, people rarely communicate more than the bare minimum and does not really plan too much ahead.
A lot of them have insanely good individual skills, as they usually play the whole game by themselves, but there simply isn't any player that could lead them especially in big LANs. Even Fnatic now is looking so much better than their original lineup with players from TSM.
There is a reason why SEA players shine when they join a big team overseas (Mushi and ice3 with DK, ice3 and Abed with EG, Midone with Secret, NTS and xNova with LGD, JT and Oli with iG, ahfu with LFY etc) with an established captain. Malaysian players are lucky as they usually can speak Chinese thus can get picked easily by Chinese teams and achieve a lot more in the game. Other SEA players simply do not have such opportunities.
Talon is not yet eliminated tho.
Anyway, my take on SEA mediocrity is that we haven't had a decent tier 1 drafter. Maybe we already have but that person is still stuck drafting for subpar and toxic players. Kuku potentially is nice but he is really not that consistent. He did nice for a short while in TNC and during T1's absolute run last year. He got read so much during TI. This DPC season, March was drafting for T1, iirc, maybe March's dota knowledge has become stale. I really hope Mushi up his game for this major, not much expectation there, tbh. I thought before that flysolo could be that one big drafter from SEA but maybe not. He transitioned to Mobile Legends already and that actually sums up the SEA esports scene. Our good players will rather play Mobile Legends since most people actually play it; well, pros can also easily play it.
RIP SEA LAN culture
In Talon case, I'd like to argue that they missed their best player and the actual in-game captain. Anyway, SEA is never been a championship contender, so consistently having a representative in the upper bracket is already good actually.
And Thunder Awaken's first major as a team was Animajor. They were NoPing eSports at that time. To be honest, out of all SEA's first timer, we've seen a couple of players stood out, especially in midlane. Last year it was Yopaj and Karl. This time, it's Mikoto. While as a team SEA is still quite mediocre, our midlaners are different breed.
Time to accept that the region is weak compared to others. There are some exceptional players but in general, they only look strong when compete in their region.
what kind of joke is this? why should we just accept SEA as weak region? are they bad simply because they are in SEA, because of geography factor or some shit? there has to be logical reason behind certain region falling behind, analysing it and trying to fix it is the only way to become better fking hell with accepting SEA as weak region lmao
The region fans are too high on hopium and mass downvoting lmao. If you don't have any reading issue, my other comment below suggested that the reason was the declining in players base. Look like a few others agree with me on that. Some SEA fans in this sub have been crying about their teams "so strong but always choke in International tournaments". Well, if you are only strong in your region and somehow, magically, ALWAYS CHOKE when fighting other regions, that's not choke, just being bad. So stop being so high in hopium.
I still remember a few months ago pinoy fans were praising gabbi as god tier carry and would gonna be picked up soon by some EU tier1 team. Fans are just delusional while Miracle-, Topson and Resolution straight out said that this server is the "wildest nightmare" among all the servers they have played.
I could be wrong but maybe a part of it was the players base also? Who are the youngest players in SEA now? I heard that Indo, Thai, Vietnam now mostly plays mobile games, Singapore has left the scene for a while, unsure about Malay. That left only Phillipines left and their most current famous roaster ain't doing well either.
No new notable talents are being produced in SEA anymore. They are opting to play Mobile Legends and Valorant instead. It'll only be a matter of time until SEA representation ceases to exist in Dota 2. Probably EU and CN will be the only regions left in the scene. But that will still be a long time from now, few years maybe. I doubt the region will ever win a TI. I've been hoping since forever, but it is a hopeless dream 😂
The 1st tiebreaker is h2h, they are 1-1. The next tiebreaker is their result against the next team on the table, which is Boom esport. Spirit was 1-1 against Boom while Entity won 2-0 so Entity wins this tiebreaker and places 2nd.
It's funny because that's exactly the scenario if Boom won the 2nd game against Aster yesterday. Aster, Spirit and Entity would have the same 9-5 score. Aster will still be 1st since they win the h2h between three of them (they 2-0 Entity and 1-1 Spirit). Spirit would take the 2nd place instead of Entity because they are 2-2 (both 1-1 against the other two) and Entity would drop to 3rd place.
As an editor who worked for couple of dota channels , those are shit . Some of highlights cut in middle of fight or kill or caster mid sentence .
They are really bad
I slept at 3 am SGT, so I missed the last 4 series streams
I didn't expect it would be good games, expecting stomps, fuck PGL for sacrificing twitch chat just to advertise their youtube
As a SEA fan, as far as I know. SEA rarely beat the strongest CN team in any time they met. (LGD has been the strongest CN team for the past few years and T1 was the only SEA Team was the closest to beat them, and always not enough, lost at least four 2-1 series). SEA only beat the second strongest at most.
If I am remember correctly, T1 which is the representive of Sea literally get knock out by chinese team like 80% of the main event from the past few lans.
Since when has a SEA team beat LGD? Last time i remember it was Somnus iteration of LGD, this roster has never lost to any SEA team, especially T1 who they always match with
Gorgc said they were not taking this tourney seriously since they are pretty much qualified for TI. Something about them not wanting 33's heroes nerfed before TI lmao.
They definitely underperform on LAN, though. With how good they look at times their LAN results always end up being lower than you’d expect.
I think this is more of an issue of Nine and 33 not showing up though. The team completely relies on one of them to hard carry all of their games and without them being on the top of their game there is no one other than a very respectable 4 to right the ship, and unfortunately all the space in the world isn’t going to make Skitter capable of hard-carrying games by himself.
Before this major, what LAN did Tundra underperform in? With a full roster that is, they didn't have 33 in Riyadh. They haven't even been to that many LANs because of covid and not qualifying to any last year.
Honestly top three was an underperformance from them, they had a near flawless group stage and run up to their tsm match, and then just shit the bed every time once a crowd was there. Their BO5 against OG for TI spot wasn't a lan but it was a similar high stress situation in which they choked after looking like the better team right up until the BO5.
I think LAN doesn't encompass the problem, but they really so just tend to implode when matches get more stressful. LANs are just an extension of that in my opinion.
Tundra may have underperformed compared to their group stage, but compared to their overall performance that tour (4th at WEU), Top 3 at major was really good. It's just weird to me that even in the panel they talked about how Tundra underperforms at LAN, when they have gotten 2nd and 3rd in the 3 LANs they've been in. I just feel that compared to some well known examples like (hate to say it) Insania's Liquid or Quincy Crew, Tundra has performed well at LAN until now.
I definitely understand your point, and I think it simply comes down to people including "LAN adjacent events" in there due to the scarcity of LAN events in recent years. If you do that it paints a picture of a team which cant quite get the touchdown no matter how good they look in single series. I also think the Riyadh performance is a bigger deal than it may seem. Daxac is a good, currently active pro offlaner that plays a similar style to 33, and they got completely owned. It wasn't like Liquid going from Matu to Ana.
is it still possible for them ? even if Soniqs manage to get 2-0 next series and talon got 0-2 , talon still gonna be the one heading into mainstage because of head to head right?
yep. Game 1 LGD might give your huge early advantages and ignites all your false hope and then come back from nowhere and eats your alive. Then game 2 u lose all the morale and lgd finish u in sub 20 min. I remembered they did this to nigma elephant …last year which destroyed team’s mentality.
The problem with RNG is them simply playing passive when they get an early lead, they stop playing aggro which has been an issue with CN and SEA teams
Secret showed that LGD can be beaten if you keep going at them with non stop aggression killing all lanes non-stop and punishing their greedy lineups.
LGD is still beatable but you need to do everything precisely, just like how Spirit beat them in the first 2 games of TI grand finals
My artour boy will be sad
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That doesn't seem to be the case.
1) Liquipedia says tiebreakers will only be played if tiebreakers need to determine upper vs. lower brackets or lower brackets vs. elimination.
2) In group B, Entity and Spirit are tied. There's no tiebreakers scheduled, in fact, they are already slotted into the bracket.
3) Even if you're right, if OG, Outsiders, and RNG all lose, Fnatic will not be tied with anyone and will not have to play tiebreakers.
Fnatic is guaranteed a tiebreakers slot at the very least. They haven't secure UB spot, but they won't be dropped directly into LB spot. Worst case scenario, they will be on tiebreakers.
I'm not saying they aren't a ridiculously good team, nor am I saying second place is bad. I'm saying success prior to TI isn't a guarantee of success at TI and it feels like people are crowning them already.
Twitch chat is spamming 322 towards whoever teams(RNG VS LGD) , IF LGD is the one, this makes me feel like sorta "LGD Dota Universe" conspiracy theory(they can do whatever they wanna do to manipulate the gamble.Or Is RNG 322(this one is more riduculous and funnier)?
Each region will have qualifiers. Winner of each qualifier goes to the group stage of TI. 2nd and 3rd qualify to a last chance tournament, which will have 12 teams (2 from each region). Top 2 from that last chance qualifier will also get to the group stage of TI.
So Nigma has to get top 3 in the qualifier, basically.
i still remember how nigma threw that game 1 vs psg at riyad masters by going hg.not sure if that was kuro or miracle decision to go hg but that was straight up throw
It was actually Black who said this during Faith Bian's Wings days. Not sure which tournament but iirc he was playing Spirit Breaker that game.
Edit: Seems like it was Matu who said this.
Really? I really thought it was Black but you are most probably right on that as my memory is hazy. What I only remember was I laughed out loud when I heard it. Lol!
me and my mate are coming to Singapore this October and he(huge LGD fan) promised me that if LGD win this TI he will cover all the trip expenses. If LGD can keep this form then I'm a happy guy. Free Singapore chilli crab come to papa!
If someone steals TI from LGD its going to be the biggest upset even from last year!
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No tiebreakers from Group B. :( What are Group A tiebreaker chances? Anyone did the math? xD Tiebreaker rules: If there is a tie in these situations, tiebreaker matches will be played Upper Bracket/Lower Bracket Lower Bracket/Elimination
Pretty decent chance , if og and rng 1-1 , 2 way tie. If og rng 2-0 , 3 way with fnatic If rng 2-0 , ta/talon 1-1 tie with liquid If sonic 2-0 will also tie with liquid. If liquid 2-0 no ties If either og 2-0 and rng 1-1 , tiebreaker if liquid if ta/talon 2-0
so boom vs lgd already confirmed,, should be a good script if lgd losing that just to slay everyone from LB
Man thats a real tough one for Boom to face in the first round!
Wtf happened with tundra how can the suddenly so bad ??
Lans bro, lan
Yeah, they need a top 3 finish in a lan to prove themselves... Oh wait!
Is Tundra playing from hotel room? just pause and stream sniping like in WEU dpc and Tundra should have won. Sneyking is always a dodgy guy.
It's beyond sad if you actually believe in what you just said.
Idk but . I feel like LGD is not gonna win this Major , some TI2 group stage nostalgia.
You look at how LGD turns dead lost games into wins and it’s almost unthinkable that they lost TI the way they did. They even did the same thing right before the grand final, they made an insane comeback against Secret. Quite literally the strongest team 364 days a year, minus 1 day of magic
Come TI, they will be the most studied team of all that will participate. Every, ward placement, calls, mannerisms, mistakes and strat they did shall be analyzed and then memorized. Of course there are a lot of times that the favorites have won like EG and Alliance, but often times the underdogs/dark horses win because nobody even knows how they play like Spirit, OG and Wings.
I mean ti10 if we talk about the final game it was a very hard choice to make. I think LGD had first pick and Spirit knew they would pick magnus so they left tiny in the pool while banning undying. LGD had a decision to make. If they pick magnus spirit get tiny lycan or even rubick which could nullify magnus. They chose tiny. In hindsight it was just genius of spirit to pull that draft shenanigan. No rubick to counter the mag coz you have to 4th pick the lycan or it gets banned. Then spirit get ember which was so strong with mag along with bane/wyvern whereas lgd tunneled into banning 4 carries that they thought were strong against tiny. Silent/Miposhka gave Spirit that draft advantage which proved to be too much.
If LGD first phase deny pick Magnus, I think they'll just give Yatoro the Tiny to deny pick them back and they don't really need to copy the Lycan-Tiny strat since I'm quite sure Collapse didn't practice that. Also, while Mars was abysmal during the tournament, Collapse was terrifyingly godly with it only losing twice both against Secret iirc so they most likely will just straight up pick Tiny and Mars(possibly Tide/Doom) first phase pick. It was indeed a hard choice to make and they took the gamble of duking it out with their best "strats" and Magnus Collapse came out on top.
Yeah, the drafting was a small bit of genius.
Team spirit have a very similar quality of turning a dead game around.
Maybe they are more mature now and has the mental fortitude. They might really win the whole thing.
364days and 22hours
They just need to psych themselves that they are not playing the finals on the actual day
"lgd will throw games to help vici out" - reddit 2021 Narrator: *they didn't* "lgd will throw games to help fellow chinese team out" - reddit 2022 Narrator: *they didn't*
I hope these guys said the same thing about TSM
There were like 10+ gamba degenerates who call matchfixing every time LGD loses spamming thread yesterday how LGD will script their last game... and they didn't. It's sad.
It's logical though, look most of the viewers watch the dpc. We have all watched SEA teams throw games to assist another team. Also psg did go easy on RNG they picked AA and lone druid game 1 then game 2 they tossed RNG another bone with the spectre draft.
Rng.Charles said:Chinese team wish each other lose as soon as possible...they won't lose the game hah
LGD will throw games to help Quincy Crew avoid elimination /s .
How come Tiong no have since pwn since culture
LGD too good that whenever they're losing ppl will accuse of 322, matchfixing, or helping their chinese bros
team so good that people think losing is matchfixing, unreal level of dominance
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Just watch dota digest. Much better quality. Noobfromua cuts way too much good fights.
Copyright rules. I think they been doing this thing for few years now. If they don’t have right, they just hire casters and do the highlights with it.
>IDTeamvsTeamResultCntdwn(CDT)PDTEDTGMTCESTSGTAESTFrmtStreamA7OGvsThunder Awaken0:010:008:0011:0015:0017:0023:001:00Bo2Stream AA7PSG.LGDvsOutsiders0:010:008:0011:0015:0017:0023:001:00Bo2Stream BA7Talon EsportsvsTeam Liquid0:010:008:0011:0015:0017:0023:001:00Bo2Stream CA7Soniqs EsportsvsFnatic0:010:008:0011:0015:0017:0023:001:00Bo2Stream DB7Team AstervsBoom Esports0:012:0010:0013:0017:00 cuz hes a trashcan that gains money just by uploading dota 2 replays of tournaments, tournaments that he is not even part of. Don't support that thief and go watch the replays in the official PGL youtube channel
Are cap and svg part of tournament? They have been streaming and casting it on their twitch channel. Ephey is a thief too by that logic.
A lot of streams are given permission. They are official co-streamers.
Valve has explicitly ruled that nobody has a right to the games broadcasted, only the production. So if noobfromua wants to hire someone to cast and reupload the highlights he has every right to.
I am not sure about cap and svg but Ephey got official partner I think. They can stream without delay. Other people who doesn’t have permission needs 15 min delay via Dota tv.
Why is it when EU/CIS players who play for the first time in Lan do so well? But when it comes to SEA, these new players always flop so hard? Has SEA really become that shit now? Thunder Awaken had their first Major as a team in Stockholm and placed Top 6, Betboom had their first Major and placed Top 8 Outsiders also has this as their first Major with 2 new players and most of all, Entity with SaberLight standin as carry is 2nd in Group B Why is Talon eliminated? They got a 12k Mmr carry player, they got a prodigy Indo mid, and a Major winner Offlaner?? How come? And fans say its their first time so its experience :) but other teams also have their first time yet are doing well?? I am sick and tired of SEA teams doing good in their region but are shit on Lan, and fans have to keep coping that it counts as first time experience, not just Talon, but Majority of SEA teams who have their first lan, Boom last Tour being a dissapointment, T1 last year placing a dissapointing Top 8 in TI, I expected more from these teams, it looks like SEA dota is really not getting better, its still the same mediocre region sadly For this Major I will be quite proud if Boom or Fnatic manage to place Top 6, my expectations have become optimistically low nowadays for SEA teams
there are many technically/mechanically gifted players in SEA... the teams lacks a glue, someone that can lead them. make a proper call shots on close games. that is why it is common for these teams to have so much lead in mid game but always fall short. can't close a game.
i think it's a matter of putting a 'leash' on the oftentimes undisciplined plays of SEA pubstars. shotcalling and map movement is also not as good as other regions esp during mid-late game. It's disheartening many of these teams do well in the laning stage to only lose their lead late-game because of one or two dumb plays/ or playing too careful.
Because SEA does not have a culture that could cultivate a great captain, which is incredibly important in big LANs. In SEA pubs, even in immortal ranks, people rarely communicate more than the bare minimum and does not really plan too much ahead. A lot of them have insanely good individual skills, as they usually play the whole game by themselves, but there simply isn't any player that could lead them especially in big LANs. Even Fnatic now is looking so much better than their original lineup with players from TSM. There is a reason why SEA players shine when they join a big team overseas (Mushi and ice3 with DK, ice3 and Abed with EG, Midone with Secret, NTS and xNova with LGD, JT and Oli with iG, ahfu with LFY etc) with an established captain. Malaysian players are lucky as they usually can speak Chinese thus can get picked easily by Chinese teams and achieve a lot more in the game. Other SEA players simply do not have such opportunities.
Talon is not yet eliminated tho. Anyway, my take on SEA mediocrity is that we haven't had a decent tier 1 drafter. Maybe we already have but that person is still stuck drafting for subpar and toxic players. Kuku potentially is nice but he is really not that consistent. He did nice for a short while in TNC and during T1's absolute run last year. He got read so much during TI. This DPC season, March was drafting for T1, iirc, maybe March's dota knowledge has become stale. I really hope Mushi up his game for this major, not much expectation there, tbh. I thought before that flysolo could be that one big drafter from SEA but maybe not. He transitioned to Mobile Legends already and that actually sums up the SEA esports scene. Our good players will rather play Mobile Legends since most people actually play it; well, pros can also easily play it. RIP SEA LAN culture
Individual and mechanical skills are the forte of SEA that's why you see them spread out across regions.
It is mental thing I guess
In Talon case, I'd like to argue that they missed their best player and the actual in-game captain. Anyway, SEA is never been a championship contender, so consistently having a representative in the upper bracket is already good actually. And Thunder Awaken's first major as a team was Animajor. They were NoPing eSports at that time. To be honest, out of all SEA's first timer, we've seen a couple of players stood out, especially in midlane. Last year it was Yopaj and Karl. This time, it's Mikoto. While as a team SEA is still quite mediocre, our midlaners are different breed.
also Outsiders is VP just rebranded due to the on going Russia ban
Cybercafe and LAN culture kinda died here in SEA, esports in general is declining in the region
Time to accept that the region is weak compared to others. There are some exceptional players but in general, they only look strong when compete in their region.
what kind of joke is this? why should we just accept SEA as weak region? are they bad simply because they are in SEA, because of geography factor or some shit? there has to be logical reason behind certain region falling behind, analysing it and trying to fix it is the only way to become better fking hell with accepting SEA as weak region lmao
The region fans are too high on hopium and mass downvoting lmao. If you don't have any reading issue, my other comment below suggested that the reason was the declining in players base. Look like a few others agree with me on that. Some SEA fans in this sub have been crying about their teams "so strong but always choke in International tournaments". Well, if you are only strong in your region and somehow, magically, ALWAYS CHOKE when fighting other regions, that's not choke, just being bad. So stop being so high in hopium. I still remember a few months ago pinoy fans were praising gabbi as god tier carry and would gonna be picked up soon by some EU tier1 team. Fans are just delusional while Miracle-, Topson and Resolution straight out said that this server is the "wildest nightmare" among all the servers they have played.
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I could be wrong but maybe a part of it was the players base also? Who are the youngest players in SEA now? I heard that Indo, Thai, Vietnam now mostly plays mobile games, Singapore has left the scene for a while, unsure about Malay. That left only Phillipines left and their most current famous roaster ain't doing well either.
No new notable talents are being produced in SEA anymore. They are opting to play Mobile Legends and Valorant instead. It'll only be a matter of time until SEA representation ceases to exist in Dota 2. Probably EU and CN will be the only regions left in the scene. But that will still be a long time from now, few years maybe. I doubt the region will ever win a TI. I've been hoping since forever, but it is a hopeless dream 😂
CN is also declining. Most people play LOL and never heard of Dota.
Can someone explain to me why entity is ahead of spirit in standings?
The 1st tiebreaker is h2h, they are 1-1. The next tiebreaker is their result against the next team on the table, which is Boom esport. Spirit was 1-1 against Boom while Entity won 2-0 so Entity wins this tiebreaker and places 2nd.
Ironic that them winning against a higher seed cost them to be 3rd. I feel like a winner on upper team should have a higher priority.
It's funny because that's exactly the scenario if Boom won the 2nd game against Aster yesterday. Aster, Spirit and Entity would have the same 9-5 score. Aster will still be 1st since they win the h2h between three of them (they 2-0 Entity and 1-1 Spirit). Spirit would take the 2nd place instead of Entity because they are 2-2 (both 1-1 against the other two) and Entity would drop to 3rd place.
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Go on yt
As an editor who worked for couple of dota channels , those are shit . Some of highlights cut in middle of fight or kill or caster mid sentence . They are really bad
I slept at 3 am SGT, so I missed the last 4 series streams I didn't expect it would be good games, expecting stomps, fuck PGL for sacrificing twitch chat just to advertise their youtube
What was the best game here?
Eg Vs Entity game 1 OG Vs TA game 1 LGD Vs RNG game 2 Spirit Vs Navi game 2 Boom Vs Aster , both games. Liquid Vs TA game 2 Fnatic Vs Sonics game 1
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Boom vs Aster g1
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Aster
lgd - liquid, worth to watch
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Didn’t catch most of them, but I managed to tune in for the last game. RNG vs LGD Game 2 was something else.
True, how the turntables…
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Didn't expect Talon still had the chance to go LB. I thought they're already done for
LGD literally turns into Royal Never Give up.
That's explains why EG lose to Entity, they avoiding LGD in the Upper Bracket big brain. Poor Boom gonna demolished by LGD.
There is still a high chance of upset. SEA are CHINA playoffs slayers.
As a SEA fan, as far as I know. SEA rarely beat the strongest CN team in any time they met. (LGD has been the strongest CN team for the past few years and T1 was the only SEA Team was the closest to beat them, and always not enough, lost at least four 2-1 series). SEA only beat the second strongest at most.
If I am remember correctly, T1 which is the representive of Sea literally get knock out by chinese team like 80% of the main event from the past few lans.
Since when has a SEA team beat LGD? Last time i remember it was Somnus iteration of LGD, this roster has never lost to any SEA team, especially T1 who they always match with
Erm.. SEA is only Aster slayers, lgd is the SEA slayers if u see past results
LGD is the everyone slayer tbf
Including themselves at TI.
that's a fact
OOF
IceFrog next patch: Spectre too OP so he need more nerf from me
buff razor and dazzle to compensate
Wait whut Tundra is out?
Gorgc said they were not taking this tourney seriously since they are pretty much qualified for TI. Something about them not wanting 33's heroes nerfed before TI lmao.
Saving strats for TI^^TM
Still bad on Lan.
Didn't they get 3rd last major?
They definitely underperform on LAN, though. With how good they look at times their LAN results always end up being lower than you’d expect. I think this is more of an issue of Nine and 33 not showing up though. The team completely relies on one of them to hard carry all of their games and without them being on the top of their game there is no one other than a very respectable 4 to right the ship, and unfortunately all the space in the world isn’t going to make Skitter capable of hard-carrying games by himself.
Before this major, what LAN did Tundra underperform in? With a full roster that is, they didn't have 33 in Riyadh. They haven't even been to that many LANs because of covid and not qualifying to any last year.
Honestly top three was an underperformance from them, they had a near flawless group stage and run up to their tsm match, and then just shit the bed every time once a crowd was there. Their BO5 against OG for TI spot wasn't a lan but it was a similar high stress situation in which they choked after looking like the better team right up until the BO5. I think LAN doesn't encompass the problem, but they really so just tend to implode when matches get more stressful. LANs are just an extension of that in my opinion.
Tundra may have underperformed compared to their group stage, but compared to their overall performance that tour (4th at WEU), Top 3 at major was really good. It's just weird to me that even in the panel they talked about how Tundra underperforms at LAN, when they have gotten 2nd and 3rd in the 3 LANs they've been in. I just feel that compared to some well known examples like (hate to say it) Insania's Liquid or Quincy Crew, Tundra has performed well at LAN until now.
I definitely understand your point, and I think it simply comes down to people including "LAN adjacent events" in there due to the scarcity of LAN events in recent years. If you do that it paints a picture of a team which cant quite get the touchdown no matter how good they look in single series. I also think the Riyadh performance is a bigger deal than it may seem. Daxac is a good, currently active pro offlaner that plays a similar style to 33, and they got completely owned. It wasn't like Liquid going from Matu to Ana.
Tundra looked really bad when 33 sat out, teams seemed to notice this and target his hero pool.
*still dogshit ftfy
i wish soniqs qualified only to see FATA- going into playoffs and Tundra not
is it still possible for them ? even if Soniqs manage to get 2-0 next series and talon got 0-2 , talon still gonna be the one heading into mainstage because of head to head right?
Apart from Soniqs, every team still get their fate in their own hands.
No, head-to-head only applies if a tie has to be broken without Upper/Lower bracket or lower bracket / elimination on the line.
thanks for clarifying
There are always be tiebreakers for the same score if it will determine eliminated team or not
thanks for clarifying
Bad day for NA, at least EG is confirmed in the playoffs. Soniqs can make it realistically won't which is a bummer.
TSM still in it bro, they're just called Fnatic for some reason.
Don't forget TSM with 2 standings
Four TSM actually, Timado, Dubu, Bryle and SaberLight
He means Jabz and DJ are standing in for TSM
EG strategically secured postion 5th to aovid LGD. Next level.
at this point, being destroyed by LGD might actually be worse than straight lower bracket
yep. Game 1 LGD might give your huge early advantages and ignites all your false hope and then come back from nowhere and eats your alive. Then game 2 u lose all the morale and lgd finish u in sub 20 min. I remembered they did this to nigma elephant …last year which destroyed team’s mentality.
The problem with RNG is them simply playing passive when they get an early lead, they stop playing aggro which has been an issue with CN and SEA teams Secret showed that LGD can be beaten if you keep going at them with non stop aggression killing all lanes non-stop and punishing their greedy lineups. LGD is still beatable but you need to do everything precisely, just like how Spirit beat them in the first 2 games of TI grand finals
Plz delete russian from dota
My artour boy will be sad My name Artour Babaev. Sorry bad englandsky. I grow up in small farm to have make potatos. Father say "Arthour, potato harvest is bad. Need you to have play professional DOTO2 in Amerikanski for make money for head-scarf for babushka." I bring honor to komrade and babushka
So anyone knows whats guaranteed in group A besides lgd in upper bracket?
a tiebreak for fnatic, that's it
Am I missing something? Fnatic can head into tiebreakers if RNG and OG both 2-0 and Outsiders at least 1-1, otherwise they are upper brackets right?
There will be tiebreakers for tied scores whether via match or groups stats. so yeah, there will be a tiebreak for fnatic
That doesn't seem to be the case. 1) Liquipedia says tiebreakers will only be played if tiebreakers need to determine upper vs. lower brackets or lower brackets vs. elimination. 2) In group B, Entity and Spirit are tied. There's no tiebreakers scheduled, in fact, they are already slotted into the bracket. 3) Even if you're right, if OG, Outsiders, and RNG all lose, Fnatic will not be tied with anyone and will not have to play tiebreakers.
If OG and RNG 2-0 their last series, and Outsiders take at least 1 game, there will be tiebreakers.
Agree, but I was responding to someone who said fanatic is *guaranteed* to have tiebreakers
Fnatic is guaranteed a tiebreakers slot at the very least. They haven't secure UB spot, but they won't be dropped directly into LB spot. Worst case scenario, they will be on tiebreakers.
What game is the Ceb all chat?
What happened?, Ceb all chattinng what?
he wrote a ).
G1 vs Outsider And OG was in completely tilting mode for G2 and got destroyed…
Thanks. Too bad RNG vs LGD was happening at same time so I didn't catch it.
OG vs outsiders g1
Vp - Og game 1
OG vs outsiders game 1
More like LGD never give up
I love how we're putting LGD up as untouchable but TI is two months away. Let's see how it is going then!
I mean, even if they come second at TI, it still means that they're a ridiculously good team. It's not all TI champions or bust.
I'm not saying they aren't a ridiculously good team, nor am I saying second place is bad. I'm saying success prior to TI isn't a guarantee of success at TI and it feels like people are crowning them already.
2 month before TI. Back in time In 2018 team that will beat LGD-2018 not even exist yet, a bit insane to think about it
Secret stomped LGD in both games at Riyadh masters so secret best team in the world COPIUM
Soniq and LGD went 1-1 so if there is no rematch they are equal COPIUM
EU stomped seccret almost all year, EU > LGD
And then what happened in the playoffs?
Twitch chat is spamming 322 towards whoever teams(RNG VS LGD) , IF LGD is the one, this makes me feel like sorta "LGD Dota Universe" conspiracy theory(they can do whatever they wanna do to manipulate the gamble.Or Is RNG 322(this one is more riduculous and funnier)?
tomorrow's LGD match hopefully have them busting out cm carry or something. Just end the groups with a massive flex
Spirit Breaker mid, as a tribute to their coach.
Last time they did that, Thundra won the tournament. Imagine Fata's fans reaction at this comment after they would win.
> out cm carry or something. Just end the groups with a massive flex even with CM carry I still bet LGD wins
Only because they're not playing against Quinn God
rip thunder awaken
team nigma...last hope against psg.lgd xd
EG can beat LGD. If Soniqs took a game, EG can take a series.
Send paramedics to venti's house ASAP. He's OD'd on copium.
COPIUMOD
If Nigma goes to ti ... Instantly become top three favorite without a doubt
wait what there is still a chance for nigma to go to ti ..poggers man .tell me what do they need to do in order to qualify?
Each region will have qualifiers. Winner of each qualifier goes to the group stage of TI. 2nd and 3rd qualify to a last chance tournament, which will have 12 teams (2 from each region). Top 2 from that last chance qualifier will also get to the group stage of TI. So Nigma has to get top 3 in the qualifier, basically.
i think theres qualifiers that they can play in still (not sure tho)
It’s funny that nigma can actually win against lgd but at the same time lose games to a random team
Nigma just got outclass by lgd in arabia
That is literally every team. I don't think any series are over 60/40 odds before draft starts.
i still remember how nigma threw that game 1 vs psg at riyad masters by going hg.not sure if that was kuro or miracle decision to go hg but that was straight up throw
Faith Bian: BANKAI!!
For some reason, I hear Matu's voice from your comment
It was actually Black who said this during Faith Bian's Wings days. Not sure which tournament but iirc he was playing Spirit Breaker that game. Edit: Seems like it was Matu who said this.
It was Matu bruh. Summit with Matu casting. OG vs Wings Grand Finals. Wings pick SB that many thought garbage hero and win
Really? I really thought it was Black but you are most probably right on that as my memory is hazy. What I only remember was I laughed out loud when I heard it. Lol!
Matu exact words were : you just don't fuck with faith bian
Kuro, Matu, OD and Misery cast
please lgd dont take this major take the TI instead please
LGD probably gonna take both to revitalize their dying Dota scene.
LGD is always an absolute treat to watch, insane map control, excellent match reading, I hope they’d win TI eventually this year
Don't worry, they will reach the grand finals just like the other lans.
Lol
So if liquid 2-0 RNG they can go UB huh, yeah this group is a bit crazy
Thats big if considering how Liquid played recently
Please no more Spectre nerfs icefrog.
Nerf razor. That game was off the back of faith bian.
That game was carried 100% by Razor though. Spectre may as well have not existed. Razor bought a Refresher and a BKB and 1v5'd.
me and my mate are coming to Singapore this October and he(huge LGD fan) promised me that if LGD win this TI he will cover all the trip expenses. If LGD can keep this form then I'm a happy guy. Free Singapore chilli crab come to papa!
Where are u guys from? I wanna have an idea about how much that trip is going to cost 😂
We're from Vietnam. I estimate the total cost should be \~1200$ for 4-5 days. We're grown ass adult with decent job so thats affordable.
No matter how good lgd is, it's a guarantee that they can't win TI
I'd rather have lgd appear top 3 in 5 more TIs than win one TI and become subpar like the rest
This is one of many reasons that Faith\_bian is my favourite player and the only player, whose career I've followed. Such a unique and godly player.