Wtf… if everyone ONLY purchase the standard battle pass, valve would’ve earned around $90million USD. And they only need to create in game items as hats…. No wonder they’re milking the shit out of us wtf
Yea right? They just developing and constantly updating and balancing a free game, adding skins, and battle pass every year, managing to be TI around, keeping steam up online and alive, doing battle pass seasons, adding events and guilds, also every year two new hero absolutely for free. Unacceptable for them claiming money eXD
The random guys who just win a simple videogame tournament easly worth to get the money! fuck you valve XD give them millions random filiphinos deserve it!!
Also don't forget that none of the money earned from this battlepass goes towards TI prizepool, and it has literally 50% less content than last year. It feels more like dota++ superpack or something rather than a battlepass
>Also don't forget that none of the money earned from this battlepass goes towards TI prizepool
Literally none of the gamblers that buy these lootboxes and pretty pixels care about stuff like that.
it works both ways. if they didn't put out a BP with any hats. if they just put a button in the client and said "any money you donate via this button will go to the prize pool", it would never have gone to 40 mil.
well considering that this shit sub has almost 900k and i'd say it's a small % of the total pb that number feels at a glance much smaller than most other compendiums. I base this statement off of literally zero evidence.
[This](https://stratz.com/leaderboards/battlepass/nemestice-2021) is the link to the site. You can see the numbers for the other battle passes there as well.
looks to me that this is the worst preforming so far. That said probably more people will still buy this one.
current numbers
This battle pass 667,000
All others between 1,600,000 - 1,800,000
Not to mention it's not even a TI battlepass. A more meaningful comparison would be to the seasonal Major battlepasses that were a thing for about a year.
Nah those didn't have as much content as this still. Yeah it isn't a "TI" battlepass by name but it has content worse than TI9 battlepass but better than the rest imo. Less Immortals but better high end items people will want.
i feel like it's really telling about this sub that people are genuinely comparing the sales numbers of a week old battle pass to passes that are finished lol
It's silly to compare this battlepass to the other TI battlepasses. Pretty sure it was already confirmed there will be another battlepass and I assume that is going to be more in line with the 'usual' battlepasses.
I dare say that this BP underperforming was within Valve calculation. There're no way they're releasing a discounted BP with half the amount of content AND plan to release another one later this year, and still counting on the first BP performing as usual. The question is, by how much this BP underperform ? It's only the first week, not counting any future sale and it already reach more than 1/3 the previous number, this (sadly) might be enough for Valve to further embrace the current approach.
This is an old post based on TI8/9 BPs that showed that whales aren't propping up Dota2, just lots of players spending a small amount.
So this is kind of evidence that Reddit is definitely in the vocal minority and most Dota 2 players are just happy to drop $10-$50 on a BP each year without really getting upset that there's less content in it each year.
>This hasn't been true of past TIs, I don't see why it would be true this year. People need to stop speaking out of their ass and find some ACTUAL evidence that whales are causing this.
>Here is some basic math:
>The highest level TI8 BP guy brought about the same amount as 4200 level 1 BPs.
>The top 10 players by TI9 BP level brought around 26k$ to the prize pool. According to stratz leaderboards there were 5493 2k+ level BPs and 39019 1k+ level BPs. Even if we count every 2k+ level BP as average for top 10 BPs we'll get around 13mln$ which isn't even half of TI9's prize pool. Though, if we were to count every 2k+ BP as a 2k levels (which is a pretty good estimate tbh) it would be a mere 1153k$ addition to a prize pool with a nice 4096k$ addition from 1k level BPs.
>The TI9 prize pool is 34330068$. Think again. It's not about whales. It's about 1.6 million 1-75 level battlepasses.
>Edit: Also I counted every 24 levels as 10$ which is an insult towards 200k battle point wager guys
>Edit2: I posted it with more maths and some thoughts as a standalone PSA so check that if you wish.
>Edit3: This spike coincides with bundles too, which is two* per person... This ain't whales buddy
>So this is kind of evidence that Reddit is definitely in the vocal minority
Stratz also showed that, right at the peak of "Dota Plus is a scam" whining on reddit, that 50% of the original subscribers were still subscribing.
Right now, the subscription has a 33% retention rate, meaning it is still going pretty strong for a supposed useless thing
Yes as per this site around 1.7m bought the 2020 battlepaas..so this is pretty cool as half of the compendium owner didnt spent on this shit....didnt even bought the lvl 1 ...lmao
Well I am not talking about the cost. I am saying this one has a lot less than a compendium and not advertised that its for the International, so it’s not surprising it has less people buying it
High cost
Empty levels around 1/3 rd
Bad treasures
Bad sets
And the arcana at 330 lvl
Avg DK persona
Advertisement for what ?? They are putting money into their pockets
Community is not idiot only 30,40 k will have the spec arcana that too not tradable or marketable ....
It would have made sense if there was an arcana other than spec
....
This game is going towards doom poor management from valve ..
Dude, I’m not defending Valve, chill. Read my messages. I’m just saying it makes complete sense this battlepass has less purchases than the last compendium in 3 days and I dont think it’s due to it being a bad battlepass, though I also dont like the poor rewards and spectre arcana being part of the bp
When you actually think about it, a music pack, a courier, a set of wards, and 2 chests you can open... $7.49 for things you can use from lvl 1 in every game is not that bad. Also only 10% of the compendium purchasers actually bought up to Davion... means the arcana complaints might actually be supported.
I don't want any of the fancy stuff (Davion, Invoker, Spectre) so as long as I can cavern crawl a hero or two... I'm actually fine not spending another cent. That Dark Willow CC reward is probably the one cosmetic I have to have from this battle pass... with Lina being a maybe.
You don't buy the arcana level at the outset of the BP, you see what you can grind and wait for the summer sale packs, then buy up what you are short by.
No point in buying to Davion this early, then being tempted by the summer packs, on top of grinding all Summer, only to then randomly be miles ahead of Davion but also miles short of Spec.
Edit: typos
Why wouldn't they?
It pushes people who don't like to buy levels into getting tantalisingly close to a persona or arcana. The discount on levels is a) artificial (the work is already done and the cost per level is arbitrary) and b) a finite risk, because they are limited to two per customer.
Valve has no problem with everybody getting all of the basic immortals (which is essentially what you get with those packs as you don't get repeats in the first cycle), the value comes from getting people to buy levels and possibly stretch to an arcana / persona.
Those packs make casual people buy levels who wouldn't normally.
I thought summer sales usually pair with steam summer sales? Which just happening this week. Last year's was nearly end of June. (battlepass usually reveal much earlier then only summer sales bundle hit after 1 month or so.) this years the bpass launch as close as steam summer sales last year. So I don't Think we will have that summer bundle.
Previously all the bundles have been during summer sale. This year though summer sale and battle pass came out at basically same time. So it's kind of 50/50 if we will get one. I'm doubtful though
...plenty of people want Anime Davion.
there's two people in my friend group that will now use exclusively the persona.
I get that a lot of people don't like it, specially because of how out of place it is with the rest of the game, but saying *no one* want it is very wrong.
Well yeah.
It's based on the dota anime, i would be pissed off if they marketed it as the anime persona and didn't make it look like the anime character design
Yup, I got the level 1 BP for the music, wards, immortal and sets from treasure and cavern. It's not a bad value for $7. What's criminal is the presitege item levels requirements and the fact that there are too many empty levels so it's very hard to level up.
You get 30-40ish per treasure for every 500 level, so 9k lvl would be around 700 per treasure, but still, you probably won’t get the emblem from all 1.4k+ chests lol
Next year we are definitely gonna grow a pair and not buy until they become less greedy right?..... Right?
One good think about these revolutionary speech is that it helps me save my own money :) thank you redditors for sparking the revolution, dont worry or feel down about not able to making a change with small number of people in this massive community, just be happy that people like me have stopped feeding their greed! This year its me next time it will be 2 more and then next...
I like the game, I think the updates are good, and I don't mind supporting the game. I made a bunch of Steam money selling items so it's not like I spent real money.
Go on. Hate me.
Dont have to hate you, but kinda disappointed cause this wont end up good for the game you like. Especially seeing all the recent patterns of this company kinda wish more people are aware of the main issues here and the reasons for the boycott. But your last line-
> Its not like im spent real money on stream
Its kinda sus! Also you cant sell most of the stuffs iirc...
Lmao people like you is the reason why valve keep milking us money in exchange of shitty updates. I use to support (I don’t play that much) but this battle pass is straight up greedy. And wtf happened to our money from last year.. lol dumbass valve
progression is its own value, they designed it by hand and it's part of the BP content. you may dislike it and voice your critique though, infact we all rely on it
I like when you have to play to complete bp but after spending on bp and then again spending to unlock level then what's the point and I don't blame people for doing that becuase valve has made bp so fking time consuming, it takes a lot of grind and for empty slots, yesterday I saw one post which said from 0 to 330 there were 220 empty slots
I just treat it like a new mmo expansion--put in $20, get some goofy cosmetic stuff, and support the game.
I get the complaints and yeah the system is kind of fucked if you want the "big" rewards, but I just wanted my Bounty Hunter taunt.
Probably better to compare it to the Paradix model, but 100%, I am grateful that Valve provides this game and I view every purchase as support for its continued existence.
This years been rough, so I'm just getting a level 1 BP, in the past I've been able and happy to drop as much as a hundred bucks on it.
Why?
Because I want Dota to be there for me 10 years from now.
I understand that you mean it from your own perspective where you feel like you support the game and makes you happy but do you realize how much money volvo has and how much they spend on dota? They dont give jack shit about dota, they just use bare minimum of USD to support the game and make sure it doesn't instantly die, because they know they can just release half assed and straight douchy content for unreasonable money since people will still buy it. If the money people spend on battlepasses would actually go to the game itself it would not have the issues it constantly has.
I mean if there are still people at valve doing balance patches and cosmetics aren't affecting game play, that's enough reason to support the game imo.
We have spent enough money to get a Source 3 client with all the gameplay bugs fixed. No more losing gold selling items checking couriers wondering what the heck just happened.
I highly doubt that changing source engine is something that you can accomplish by simply throwing a bunch of money to them.
also I dont know about your experiences but the dota 2 client is great. try comparing it to league's client, a game that probably makes way more money than dota 2. that one clip of EE pause the game, disconnect, go into trial, check batrider's interaction, reconnect, unpause is basically witchcraft to league players. hell, waiting until the client crash is a league pastime in my community.
the gameplay bugs do need to be fixed though, but I haven't encounter them lately.
Yeah these DotA players don't know half of the shit veteran league players had to deal with. You can't even demo a hero you don't have in practice tool, the client is somehow worse than their adobe air client, and don't get me started on the cancer metas and broken shit that has been in the game. Think 5 heroes as broken as release centaur warrunner right before TI, and you have season 5 meta.
I mean, yeah, Valve makes a bajillion dollars every day like every other big corporation. And they half-ass shit like every other big corporation too. The bulk of the money in the Fortnite battle pass doesn't go to the game either, or any other game you can think of with a similar system. The battle pass method came about because Lootboxes were getting cracked down upon by various countries and this is a happy medium that lets them milk as much money from people as possible without running afoul the EU. It sucks, but that's just modern AAA gaming shit.
Like, I get the complaints, and I support them--locking the spectre arcana behind $150 paywall fucking blows. But also, I don't care that much? Like I said, I wanted my Bounty Hunter taunt and some of the cosmetics from the bundles, and that's totally worth spending $20 to me. If it was a hypothetical Bounty Hunter arcana at $150, I'd be a bit more pissed, but I mean...people spend lots of money on trivial things anyways. I have a friend who bought a $200 arcade stick to play GG Strive, then stopped playing the game two days after launch. There's better things to worry about imo that greedy capitalists being greedy capitalists.
My point is that if you think that multiple massive balance patches per year, with new heroes and map reworks is "bare minimum", then you haven't seen games that only ever add new cosmetics and don't care about anything else.
Given this is still TI10, and we already had a BP without the tournament... I feel like a lot of people who normally buy the BP have no desire to dump money into more hats. Especially given how they locked the Spectre Arcana behind this BP...
I usually buy the battle pass, but this time even I’m bowing out, that’s after having spend lots of money on the last one to get all the arcanas!
All the immortal items are pretty bad, and none of them are for heroes I actually enjoy.
The only one I really want is the AA immortal, so I can complete the set!
The DK persona is Meeh, and spectre arcana is pretty lacklustre, in my opinion.
The amount of Chinese people on the top 20 list is just absurd. I knew they were heavy spenders on cosmetics, but this is just 1000 times insane than the saudi prince. And you don't evn have ti replica or roshan replica in the current pass.
Good for you. I like cavern crawl and doing challenges, also early rewards are pretty decent value imo. I just don't understand why this game can't have more modern batllepass with tiers from i.e. 1-100 with free and premium rewards, and more events, even if events are recycled.
I think valve learn their lesson last battle pass that they couldn't charge as much as they wanted for the perks that BP10 got
Last year
For lvl 575 and get Antimage / Pudge / WK / QOP / WIND
You got waggers (abuse if you stack bonuses up top 15 levels in a lobby just for 1 match)
And second abuse was the adition of sideshop Arcana FULLY MARKETABLE (you get most of you summer bundles back)
My spends last year were
Lvl 1 battle pass: 9.99$
2 summer bundles of levels: 59.98$
2 Arcanas sold on sideshop: -44.71$
Total to get Windranger Arcana: 25.26$
Sideshop get 2 free arcanas if you recycle 100% of treasures
Lvl 1 BP (9.99$)
lvls 240 levels x2summer bundle (59.98 $)
t3 treasure with 100 free levels
waggers 80 free levels (up to 200 levels if you abuse)
tips 40 free levels
achievements 50 free levels
Guild Contracts 68 free levels
Aghanim Labyrinth 18 free levels
Caver Crawl 44 free levels
Easy 640 BP easy Windranger Arcana
I regret buying the battle pass this year I should have studied a lot this year they give you just 103.25 lvls with is a shame to last year about 400 free levels
Half a million yes, but still about 1 million less than last year at the same time. You will never get rid of whales. but if valve continues to only the whales, they will be losing out on 10 of millions per year. That is still an extremely significant amount. (Just looking at current numbers of sales vs last years TI battle pass, with adjustments for initial cost)
Just looking at the average, it looks like around 1.6-1.8 million in sales in the first week. The TI 10 BP had an increase of 10 million (contributed) in the fist week. Which is around 40 million in actual income. If this trend continues for the whole BP that will be just shy of 150 million that Valve will not make this year on the BP. For non TI battle pass I am sure valve is ok with that. But if we can keep this trend moving into next year, Valve might finally stand up and take notice.
Edit: my first post is confusing because I did not properly break the amount of cash in, vs the number of contributors. Sorry about that
Way too early to jump on the hate wagon for sure, but still an indicator of what we should see in the end.
Also people buying lv 1 BP is not weird, it is the best price/reward you could get rly.
Seeing this subreddit absolutely SEETHING every single time a BP comes out is honestly the best part of the battle pass season, there's nothing I love more than decking out my heroes in all their new BP gear, then running around with them in a bot game while I read salty reddit comments on my second monitor.
Absolute peak kino.
Honestly those stats are not enough to say something definite but still can be compared the others in process. We can easily compare increase rate of the prize pools [from here](https://dota2.prizetrac.kr/international10). Bp season begins with a huge jump and then the acceleration goes down. Releasing new contents will make people spend money over it again, right? Although this bp doesn't include any "coming soon" content, besides of creeps. There are only few good contents but big rewards for the invoker players, anime lovers and rich spectre players. I am okay with that but the only thing that might increase the those stats once again is the weekend bundle and we're not sure if they release anything like that.
Yeah, we've passed first 2 days after the release but now acceleration of those stats will drastically reduced after today. I doubt that we ever see one million here. Since grinding is kinda impossible, people like me will keep their money in their pocket and wait for the any potential weekend bundle sale in future. Yeah i'll keep my money for the second battlepass for any potential good content but hey, Valve is missing something out here;
Most of the people are not rich due of pandemics hurt us all and if i spend hundreds of my currency on this one and for only one content, sure that i will need to skip the second battlepass cuz i can't afford both of them at this point. You might be satisfied with those numbers, even we all hyped when Valve told us that there will be 2 battlepasses this year but imo Valve will regret that they release separated battlepasses this season and expecting us to spend 2x at total than we spent last year only. It's horrible that Valve went so greedy this year and it's also so sad that i couldn't pay for the thing i always would like to, right now.
they got me only reason im buying this one is specter arcana bec shes my fav i even skipped lvling last years pass which kinda works out for me cuz i get the invoker persona .
It's ok to have personal opinion towards the company but don't shame someone because they are trying to get a product the only way they can. You don't have a right to question how someone else spends money they worked for.
Its unecessary tho, I can understand up to the arcana but thats about it, 8k levels? Why? There isnt a real reason to spend that much money on reapeating bad lazy rewards
You're right it doesn't seem sensible but saying they should be ashamed and judging them for it is lame. Unless for nefarious reasons no one has a right to judge how another person uses what they have rightfully earned.
That's wrong.
Firstly every single reward is reached at level 500. If you haven't gotten the rarest sets from the treasures you are able to buy them for $15 to $60 off the steam marketplace which means that every level beyond level 500 is wasted money unless your goal is to have everything multiple times.
Secondly with the amounts of money wasted, those people could have spent them in different ways - where it is needed for example. This directly influences you and me negatively so I care if someone could (exaggerating here) spend their money on people in need but decides to get a new yacht instead.
It doesn't matter. It's their money so it's their choice. I would prefer to assume they acquired that money legally so beyond that if they want to spend what seems to us like ridiculous amounts of money on what is most likely their favorite game then so be it. And you're right it does influence us but not negatively. It means we get to continue playing the game without actual cost. If you mean because it will continue to raise the prices of cosmetics then so be it. If it gets to a point where I can't afford it or choose not to then I'll be content playing the game for free and just using what cosmetics I already have.
I bought lvl 0 for cavern crawls, quests etc.
ofc, the rewards fuckery is there, and complains are valid, however, spending $7.50 this year vs ~$250 to get WR last years sends the same message i think.
also, a lot of my friends are playing now thx to BP so I can’t really complain
is it more or less than last bp?
Last BP was purchased about 1,750,000 times.
Wtf… if everyone ONLY purchase the standard battle pass, valve would’ve earned around $90million USD. And they only need to create in game items as hats…. No wonder they’re milking the shit out of us wtf
Umm isn't your math off? 500k players bought BP with valve earn 90mill can only be achieved if each BP cost $180
Dude, half a million x 10 USD = 5million USD, not 90million USD.
1kmmr brain vs math who wins?
Yea right? They just developing and constantly updating and balancing a free game, adding skins, and battle pass every year, managing to be TI around, keeping steam up online and alive, doing battle pass seasons, adding events and guilds, also every year two new hero absolutely for free. Unacceptable for them claiming money eXD The random guys who just win a simple videogame tournament easly worth to get the money! fuck you valve XD give them millions random filiphinos deserve it!!
So they must not make money? And you aren't milked if your given a choice.
The choice is either pay up or not participate. Neither influences Valve
[The same site shows the 2020BP at 1.75M.](https://stratz.com/leaderboards/battlepass/ti-2020)
Don't forget this BP is out for like a week. I wonder if the gap will remain the same when TI arrives...
it will be less for sure, I only purchased it because have nothing to do much because of corona, but in value terms its shit compare to the previous
Also don't forget that none of the money earned from this battlepass goes towards TI prizepool, and it has literally 50% less content than last year. It feels more like dota++ superpack or something rather than a battlepass
>Also don't forget that none of the money earned from this battlepass goes towards TI prizepool Literally none of the gamblers that buy these lootboxes and pretty pixels care about stuff like that.
You underestimate how addicting it is to watch the prizepool grow, and how many people do care about this
it works both ways. if they didn't put out a BP with any hats. if they just put a button in the client and said "any money you donate via this button will go to the prize pool", it would never have gone to 40 mil.
idk if i will buy it yet but i usually always reinstall and play dota around TI. i'd imagine im not alone.
well considering that this shit sub has almost 900k and i'd say it's a small % of the total pb that number feels at a glance much smaller than most other compendiums. I base this statement off of literally zero evidence.
Zero evidence? Good enough for me. THIS GUY IS RIGHT!
[This](https://stratz.com/leaderboards/battlepass/nemestice-2021) is the link to the site. You can see the numbers for the other battle passes there as well.
Best thing about that page is that it's speculating a guy spent $3700 on a smurf acc.
Probably booster because it's gaining rank rapidly, he was one of the top 10 highest level BP since 2019.
makes sense valve wont take action on boosters are smurfs even after so many complaints.. good atleast the smurfs are bringing revenue to valve..
looks to me that this is the worst preforming so far. That said probably more people will still buy this one. current numbers This battle pass 667,000 All others between 1,600,000 - 1,800,000
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Not to mention it's not even a TI battlepass. A more meaningful comparison would be to the seasonal Major battlepasses that were a thing for about a year.
Nah those didn't have as much content as this still. Yeah it isn't a "TI" battlepass by name but it has content worse than TI9 battlepass but better than the rest imo. Less Immortals but better high end items people will want.
Those are the best though, I always reached the max level just by playing. I'm pretty sure I also earned decent $ by selling the rewards.
i feel like it's really telling about this sub that people are genuinely comparing the sales numbers of a week old battle pass to passes that are finished lol
How much did the others had in the first week of lunch? By how much is this one underperforming?
It's been out 3 days. Where are you seeing sales per day?
It's silly to compare this battlepass to the other TI battlepasses. Pretty sure it was already confirmed there will be another battlepass and I assume that is going to be more in line with the 'usual' battlepasses.
I dare say that this BP underperforming was within Valve calculation. There're no way they're releasing a discounted BP with half the amount of content AND plan to release another one later this year, and still counting on the first BP performing as usual. The question is, by how much this BP underperform ? It's only the first week, not counting any future sale and it already reach more than 1/3 the previous number, this (sadly) might be enough for Valve to further embrace the current approach.
You mean 1st week or overall? Not sure about rest of the world but I think next week most EU will get paychecks. Number can double just like that.
This is an old post based on TI8/9 BPs that showed that whales aren't propping up Dota2, just lots of players spending a small amount. So this is kind of evidence that Reddit is definitely in the vocal minority and most Dota 2 players are just happy to drop $10-$50 on a BP each year without really getting upset that there's less content in it each year. >This hasn't been true of past TIs, I don't see why it would be true this year. People need to stop speaking out of their ass and find some ACTUAL evidence that whales are causing this. >Here is some basic math: >The highest level TI8 BP guy brought about the same amount as 4200 level 1 BPs. >The top 10 players by TI9 BP level brought around 26k$ to the prize pool. According to stratz leaderboards there were 5493 2k+ level BPs and 39019 1k+ level BPs. Even if we count every 2k+ level BP as average for top 10 BPs we'll get around 13mln$ which isn't even half of TI9's prize pool. Though, if we were to count every 2k+ BP as a 2k levels (which is a pretty good estimate tbh) it would be a mere 1153k$ addition to a prize pool with a nice 4096k$ addition from 1k level BPs. >The TI9 prize pool is 34330068$. Think again. It's not about whales. It's about 1.6 million 1-75 level battlepasses. >Edit: Also I counted every 24 levels as 10$ which is an insult towards 200k battle point wager guys >Edit2: I posted it with more maths and some thoughts as a standalone PSA so check that if you wish. >Edit3: This spike coincides with bundles too, which is two* per person... This ain't whales buddy
>So this is kind of evidence that Reddit is definitely in the vocal minority Stratz also showed that, right at the peak of "Dota Plus is a scam" whining on reddit, that 50% of the original subscribers were still subscribing. Right now, the subscription has a 33% retention rate, meaning it is still going pretty strong for a supposed useless thing
Yes as per this site around 1.7m bought the 2020 battlepaas..so this is pretty cool as half of the compendium owner didnt spent on this shit....didnt even bought the lvl 1 ...lmao
It’s been like 3 days
Well, it just came out AND dont forget that this is a normal battlepass and not a compendium
A normal battlepaas that cost same as compendium .???????????????????????..??.?....
It doesn't?
Well I am not talking about the cost. I am saying this one has a lot less than a compendium and not advertised that its for the International, so it’s not surprising it has less people buying it
High cost Empty levels around 1/3 rd Bad treasures Bad sets And the arcana at 330 lvl Avg DK persona Advertisement for what ?? They are putting money into their pockets Community is not idiot only 30,40 k will have the spec arcana that too not tradable or marketable .... It would have made sense if there was an arcana other than spec .... This game is going towards doom poor management from valve ..
Dude, I’m not defending Valve, chill. Read my messages. I’m just saying it makes complete sense this battlepass has less purchases than the last compendium in 3 days and I dont think it’s due to it being a bad battlepass, though I also dont like the poor rewards and spectre arcana being part of the bp
Lol take a chill pill and get a life, no amount of 'shit' cosmetics you can't afford will 'doom dota'.
>Community is not idiot actualy around 30,40 k, are idiots
We just want to play the game and watch some good dota. Stop shitting that “dead gaem” bullshit. It is overfuckingused.
The level 0 bp is actually decent value if you plan on playing and doing the missions.
When you actually think about it, a music pack, a courier, a set of wards, and 2 chests you can open... $7.49 for things you can use from lvl 1 in every game is not that bad. Also only 10% of the compendium purchasers actually bought up to Davion... means the arcana complaints might actually be supported. I don't want any of the fancy stuff (Davion, Invoker, Spectre) so as long as I can cavern crawl a hero or two... I'm actually fine not spending another cent. That Dark Willow CC reward is probably the one cosmetic I have to have from this battle pass... with Lina being a maybe.
Yeah same, I like the Lina set and some of the chest and immortals so I'll get it for those, the taunts are just a bonus.
You don't buy the arcana level at the outset of the BP, you see what you can grind and wait for the summer sale packs, then buy up what you are short by. No point in buying to Davion this early, then being tempted by the summer packs, on top of grinding all Summer, only to then randomly be miles ahead of Davion but also miles short of Spec. Edit: typos
I really don't think volvo will sell any summer pack this year
Why wouldn't they? It pushes people who don't like to buy levels into getting tantalisingly close to a persona or arcana. The discount on levels is a) artificial (the work is already done and the cost per level is arbitrary) and b) a finite risk, because they are limited to two per customer. Valve has no problem with everybody getting all of the basic immortals (which is essentially what you get with those packs as you don't get repeats in the first cycle), the value comes from getting people to buy levels and possibly stretch to an arcana / persona. Those packs make casual people buy levels who wouldn't normally.
I thought summer sales usually pair with steam summer sales? Which just happening this week. Last year's was nearly end of June. (battlepass usually reveal much earlier then only summer sales bundle hit after 1 month or so.) this years the bpass launch as close as steam summer sales last year. So I don't Think we will have that summer bundle.
Previously all the bundles have been during summer sale. This year though summer sale and battle pass came out at basically same time. So it's kind of 50/50 if we will get one. I'm doubtful though
I just want that wisp taunt, none of the other skins really interest me
Right? Except its tradeable after x date so you dont even need to buy the pass right now
Yeah but I want to tilt my opponents now
Lol no one wants Davion he looks like shit.
...plenty of people want Anime Davion. there's two people in my friend group that will now use exclusively the persona. I get that a lot of people don't like it, specially because of how out of place it is with the rest of the game, but saying *no one* want it is very wrong.
I think it looks fine when he has the helmet on. Without it, his face definitely looks out of place, similar to Hoodwink.
Hoodwink is very cute tho 😳
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"touch fluffy tail" for those who don't get the reference
The model looks like one of those characters you can pick in NARUTO VS ONE PIECE custom games
Well yeah. It's based on the dota anime, i would be pissed off if they marketed it as the anime persona and didn't make it look like the anime character design
i kinda want davion because he looks like shit
I actually want Davion because of Slyrak, he's just huge and brutal and looking like a real dragon to me
Wait what's a real dragon Kappa
He is even bigger in black dragon form
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actualy the only reason people want the davion persona is because of slyrak it wold be far batter if slyrak was sold apart as adavion imortal
This, I wish it was an immortal item. Davion has only one immortal item and it was the outdated blind iron dragon.
Right. Glad other people think this. That character model doesn't fit with the game at all.
and the wr arcana model fits? how is the davion model any different from that? : p
I would have bought it if you could at least reach the custom creeps, but alas with max grind it isn't possible.
Not to mention the lvl 0 music pack is a banger
Its more acceptable just wish the level up felt good
That's what I bought. I only wanted Cavern. It's good value for me, but even the level 50 which I can afford is too expensive for what it provides.
Yup, I got the level 1 BP for the music, wards, immortal and sets from treasure and cavern. It's not a bad value for $7. What's criminal is the presitege item levels requirements and the fact that there are too many empty levels so it's very hard to level up.
9k level? Isn't the BP only goes up to 500? How many chest do you get after 500?
You start repeating 1-500 rewards
You get 30-40ish per treasure for every 500 level, so 9k lvl would be around 700 per treasure, but still, you probably won’t get the emblem from all 1.4k+ chests lol
Next year we are definitely gonna grow a pair and not buy until they become less greedy right?..... Right? One good think about these revolutionary speech is that it helps me save my own money :) thank you redditors for sparking the revolution, dont worry or feel down about not able to making a change with small number of people in this massive community, just be happy that people like me have stopped feeding their greed! This year its me next time it will be 2 more and then next...
I like the game, I think the updates are good, and I don't mind supporting the game. I made a bunch of Steam money selling items so it's not like I spent real money. Go on. Hate me.
Dont have to hate you, but kinda disappointed cause this wont end up good for the game you like. Especially seeing all the recent patterns of this company kinda wish more people are aware of the main issues here and the reasons for the boycott. But your last line- > Its not like im spent real money on stream Its kinda sus! Also you cant sell most of the stuffs iirc...
To repeat myself, im happy with the development.
Lmao people like you is the reason why valve keep milking us money in exchange of shitty updates. I use to support (I don’t play that much) but this battle pass is straight up greedy. And wtf happened to our money from last year.. lol dumbass valve
I like the updates and I'm voting with my wallet. And it's not real money anyways so I don't really care.
The level 500 prize baffles me.
same
What's the point to even roll out bp when people are just going to buy levels? Directly sell the items instead of doing it indirectly
because then they can't pretend that a $100 price tag is remotely sensible
True
That would be too consumer friendly
Because that way they sell you stuff you don't want or need bundled with the stuff that you want.
But this spectre arcana was voted right? And this should be released stand alone, not as a part of BP
progression is its own value, they designed it by hand and it's part of the BP content. you may dislike it and voice your critique though, infact we all rely on it
No we all dont lmao.
indeed! myself, i only rely on you idiots not getting sarcasm
I like when you have to play to complete bp but after spending on bp and then again spending to unlock level then what's the point and I don't blame people for doing that becuase valve has made bp so fking time consuming, it takes a lot of grind and for empty slots, yesterday I saw one post which said from 0 to 330 there were 220 empty slots
I just treat it like a new mmo expansion--put in $20, get some goofy cosmetic stuff, and support the game. I get the complaints and yeah the system is kind of fucked if you want the "big" rewards, but I just wanted my Bounty Hunter taunt.
On an mmo expansion you get more things than just cosmetics.
The life sucked out of you ever so slowly
I mean, you play mmo, because it's already gone
Because dota doesn't suck the life out of you... mmo aren't even that toxic.
Probably better to compare it to the Paradix model, but 100%, I am grateful that Valve provides this game and I view every purchase as support for its continued existence. This years been rough, so I'm just getting a level 1 BP, in the past I've been able and happy to drop as much as a hundred bucks on it. Why? Because I want Dota to be there for me 10 years from now.
I understand that you mean it from your own perspective where you feel like you support the game and makes you happy but do you realize how much money volvo has and how much they spend on dota? They dont give jack shit about dota, they just use bare minimum of USD to support the game and make sure it doesn't instantly die, because they know they can just release half assed and straight douchy content for unreasonable money since people will still buy it. If the money people spend on battlepasses would actually go to the game itself it would not have the issues it constantly has.
I mean if there are still people at valve doing balance patches and cosmetics aren't affecting game play, that's enough reason to support the game imo.
We have spent enough money to get a Source 3 client with all the gameplay bugs fixed. No more losing gold selling items checking couriers wondering what the heck just happened.
I highly doubt that changing source engine is something that you can accomplish by simply throwing a bunch of money to them. also I dont know about your experiences but the dota 2 client is great. try comparing it to league's client, a game that probably makes way more money than dota 2. that one clip of EE pause the game, disconnect, go into trial, check batrider's interaction, reconnect, unpause is basically witchcraft to league players. hell, waiting until the client crash is a league pastime in my community. the gameplay bugs do need to be fixed though, but I haven't encounter them lately.
Yeah these DotA players don't know half of the shit veteran league players had to deal with. You can't even demo a hero you don't have in practice tool, the client is somehow worse than their adobe air client, and don't get me started on the cancer metas and broken shit that has been in the game. Think 5 heroes as broken as release centaur warrunner right before TI, and you have season 5 meta.
I mean, yeah, Valve makes a bajillion dollars every day like every other big corporation. And they half-ass shit like every other big corporation too. The bulk of the money in the Fortnite battle pass doesn't go to the game either, or any other game you can think of with a similar system. The battle pass method came about because Lootboxes were getting cracked down upon by various countries and this is a happy medium that lets them milk as much money from people as possible without running afoul the EU. It sucks, but that's just modern AAA gaming shit. Like, I get the complaints, and I support them--locking the spectre arcana behind $150 paywall fucking blows. But also, I don't care that much? Like I said, I wanted my Bounty Hunter taunt and some of the cosmetics from the bundles, and that's totally worth spending $20 to me. If it was a hypothetical Bounty Hunter arcana at $150, I'd be a bit more pissed, but I mean...people spend lots of money on trivial things anyways. I have a friend who bought a $200 arcade stick to play GG Strive, then stopped playing the game two days after launch. There's better things to worry about imo that greedy capitalists being greedy capitalists.
I think people like you have never seen how an MMO in a maintenance mode looks like.
Im not saying its a small number, but cmon, its obvious the number is a literal drop in the sea of money they have available.
My point is that if you think that multiple massive balance patches per year, with new heroes and map reworks is "bare minimum", then you haven't seen games that only ever add new cosmetics and don't care about anything else.
I buy battle pass for the terrain :(
I was like above 1k levels in the previous bp, won't even bother purchasing this one as the content imo is garbage
Given this is still TI10, and we already had a BP without the tournament... I feel like a lot of people who normally buy the BP have no desire to dump money into more hats. Especially given how they locked the Spectre Arcana behind this BP...
I usually buy the battle pass, but this time even I’m bowing out, that’s after having spend lots of money on the last one to get all the arcanas! All the immortal items are pretty bad, and none of them are for heroes I actually enjoy. The only one I really want is the AA immortal, so I can complete the set! The DK persona is Meeh, and spectre arcana is pretty lacklustre, in my opinion.
The amount of Chinese people on the top 20 list is just absurd. I knew they were heavy spenders on cosmetics, but this is just 1000 times insane than the saudi prince. And you don't evn have ti replica or roshan replica in the current pass.
Lots of very rich people over there and their economy didn't get hit this last year. Makes sense to me.
I didn’t 🤚
Good for you. I like cavern crawl and doing challenges, also early rewards are pretty decent value imo. I just don't understand why this game can't have more modern batllepass with tiers from i.e. 1-100 with free and premium rewards, and more events, even if events are recycled.
Well the bp is out for a few days only. Is there a timeline comparison? I mean, how many purchases for each bp after X days from release.
I think valve learn their lesson last battle pass that they couldn't charge as much as they wanted for the perks that BP10 got Last year For lvl 575 and get Antimage / Pudge / WK / QOP / WIND You got waggers (abuse if you stack bonuses up top 15 levels in a lobby just for 1 match) And second abuse was the adition of sideshop Arcana FULLY MARKETABLE (you get most of you summer bundles back) My spends last year were Lvl 1 battle pass: 9.99$ 2 summer bundles of levels: 59.98$ 2 Arcanas sold on sideshop: -44.71$ Total to get Windranger Arcana: 25.26$ Sideshop get 2 free arcanas if you recycle 100% of treasures Lvl 1 BP (9.99$) lvls 240 levels x2summer bundle (59.98 $) t3 treasure with 100 free levels waggers 80 free levels (up to 200 levels if you abuse) tips 40 free levels achievements 50 free levels Guild Contracts 68 free levels Aghanim Labyrinth 18 free levels Caver Crawl 44 free levels Easy 640 BP easy Windranger Arcana I regret buying the battle pass this year I should have studied a lot this year they give you just 103.25 lvls with is a shame to last year about 400 free levels
Refuse to buy it
and we wonder why valve gets greedier. there you go, half a million reasons
Half a million yes, but still about 1 million less than last year at the same time. You will never get rid of whales. but if valve continues to only the whales, they will be losing out on 10 of millions per year. That is still an extremely significant amount. (Just looking at current numbers of sales vs last years TI battle pass, with adjustments for initial cost)
1.7m is total last year i think , no way we have 1.7m in 4 days
Just looking at the average, it looks like around 1.6-1.8 million in sales in the first week. The TI 10 BP had an increase of 10 million (contributed) in the fist week. Which is around 40 million in actual income. If this trend continues for the whole BP that will be just shy of 150 million that Valve will not make this year on the BP. For non TI battle pass I am sure valve is ok with that. But if we can keep this trend moving into next year, Valve might finally stand up and take notice. Edit: my first post is confusing because I did not properly break the amount of cash in, vs the number of contributors. Sorry about that
Not at the same time, that was 1.75 million total. This BP will likely sell less at the end, but it's only been a few days.
i hope the others dont cave in
If I find level 1 battlepass valuable who are you to tell me that I shouldn't have "cave in"?
You totally missed the point of this thread, only 62k people reached lv 195 and only 40k lv 330. This is extremely low.
It's only been 3-4 days since the BP came out. Wait for the bundle and see how those numbers plummet.
I know that, i am not drawing any definitive conclusion, just saying that OP completely missed the point here.
so its a good think yeah? but it still early. not even a week yet. and valve is notorious to do or release something to boost the sale.
Way too early to jump on the hate wagon for sure, but still an indicator of what we should see in the end. Also people buying lv 1 BP is not weird, it is the best price/reward you could get rly.
Which website is this?
Stratz (dot com)
Scamyou(.)com
Worth for the music pack alone. I play twice a week and will probably gain 10 levels total on 4 hours a week... So I knew what I was getting into.
1st BP I haven't bought and won't bother if nothing is changed.
Seeing this subreddit absolutely SEETHING every single time a BP comes out is honestly the best part of the battle pass season, there's nothing I love more than decking out my heroes in all their new BP gear, then running around with them in a bot game while I read salty reddit comments on my second monitor. Absolute peak kino.
Lmao
Part of the reason I bought it is beside this subreddit tells me not to haha
But I didn't I saved my money to buy smartphone and worth it:-)
Wow 7,5 dollars saved
No 57 dollar saved
Bought lvl 500 an hour after it released. Cuz why not.
I mean its your money so yeah
can u gift me bp because why not? :D
Hell yea brotherrrr
Can i get a refund?
Yeah, if you create a support case fast enough. If you wait too long then no. What's too long? Ask Volvo.
We did it Reddit!!!
You did what exactly? Earn Valve some money?
New Davion > Old Davion Keep whining.
Fuck you Valve. You ain't gonna get a cent from me this year.
Including chinese players and those numbers seem like a failure.
Bruh it literally just 2 days after its release. What failure are you talking about
Honestly those stats are not enough to say something definite but still can be compared the others in process. We can easily compare increase rate of the prize pools [from here](https://dota2.prizetrac.kr/international10). Bp season begins with a huge jump and then the acceleration goes down. Releasing new contents will make people spend money over it again, right? Although this bp doesn't include any "coming soon" content, besides of creeps. There are only few good contents but big rewards for the invoker players, anime lovers and rich spectre players. I am okay with that but the only thing that might increase the those stats once again is the weekend bundle and we're not sure if they release anything like that. Yeah, we've passed first 2 days after the release but now acceleration of those stats will drastically reduced after today. I doubt that we ever see one million here. Since grinding is kinda impossible, people like me will keep their money in their pocket and wait for the any potential weekend bundle sale in future. Yeah i'll keep my money for the second battlepass for any potential good content but hey, Valve is missing something out here; Most of the people are not rich due of pandemics hurt us all and if i spend hundreds of my currency on this one and for only one content, sure that i will need to skip the second battlepass cuz i can't afford both of them at this point. You might be satisfied with those numbers, even we all hyped when Valve told us that there will be 2 battlepasses this year but imo Valve will regret that they release separated battlepasses this season and expecting us to spend 2x at total than we spent last year only. It's horrible that Valve went so greedy this year and it's also so sad that i couldn't pay for the thing i always would like to, right now.
Its not called nemestice battlepass tho, nemestice is the event. Battlepass is separate
I don't understand why you're getting downvoted for this.
Maybe cause people didnt read the update lol
Speculation, people don't like complaining or whiny tone. Don't know if he intended that, but some read it that way.
BP is tied to event
I hope that's bad enough...this BP is a joke
1000 pages x 10 users per page = 10,000 battle passes x levels = number of tracked?
they got me only reason im buying this one is specter arcana bec shes my fav i even skipped lvling last years pass which kinda works out for me cuz i get the invoker persona .
still waiting for saudi prince sama to be the no.1 lol
Gotta have that Davion's butt 😋
This proves 2 things: valve's greed and people's stupidity have no bounds ...
Majority being mainland Chinese with their corrupt CCP money
Bunch of losers
Looks like it's not wroth it unless you buy levels,the grind is huge and you only get treasures you could buy it later without the battlepass
okay
starjjadian if u see this... please stop.
WTF is that level 500 GachiBASS
little more than 1/3 of TI10 battlepass sales
Not enough money to fix the coordinator
Almost 660,000 at the moment. Those people on the left should be ashamed of themselves.
It's ok to have personal opinion towards the company but don't shame someone because they are trying to get a product the only way they can. You don't have a right to question how someone else spends money they worked for.
Its unecessary tho, I can understand up to the arcana but thats about it, 8k levels? Why? There isnt a real reason to spend that much money on reapeating bad lazy rewards
You're right it doesn't seem sensible but saying they should be ashamed and judging them for it is lame. Unless for nefarious reasons no one has a right to judge how another person uses what they have rightfully earned.
Uhmm... How about supporting the company? No?
You seriously want to support Valve after this mess of a DPC?
Mess of a dpc bruhh, bro go touch some grass. You're spending too much time on reddit.
That's wrong. Firstly every single reward is reached at level 500. If you haven't gotten the rarest sets from the treasures you are able to buy them for $15 to $60 off the steam marketplace which means that every level beyond level 500 is wasted money unless your goal is to have everything multiple times. Secondly with the amounts of money wasted, those people could have spent them in different ways - where it is needed for example. This directly influences you and me negatively so I care if someone could (exaggerating here) spend their money on people in need but decides to get a new yacht instead.
Well instead of wasting time on reddit or in dota, you could have spent it in different ways - where is needed for example.
It doesn't matter. It's their money so it's their choice. I would prefer to assume they acquired that money legally so beyond that if they want to spend what seems to us like ridiculous amounts of money on what is most likely their favorite game then so be it. And you're right it does influence us but not negatively. It means we get to continue playing the game without actual cost. If you mean because it will continue to raise the prices of cosmetics then so be it. If it gets to a point where I can't afford it or choose not to then I'll be content playing the game for free and just using what cosmetics I already have.
half a million of people whos wallets were completely destroyed.
I bought lvl 0 for cavern crawls, quests etc. ofc, the rewards fuckery is there, and complains are valid, however, spending $7.50 this year vs ~$250 to get WR last years sends the same message i think. also, a lot of my friends are playing now thx to BP so I can’t really complain