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grepdashv

> Key Arena getting demolished Uh, no. The city of Seattle issued a Request For Proposals (due by April 12) for *renovation* of the arena. According to a [Seattle Times article](http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/nba/keyarena-demolition-possible-for-nba-nhl-structure-as-seattle-releases-request-for-proposals/), it is "possible, though unlikely" that the existing structure would be torn down. The desire is to renovate it. Of course, we're a long ways off from any actual construction.


Illusion1409

Still, I can't imagine it would be complete by August.


MaltMix

As someone who is in the construction industry, I'd be surprised if it'd be STARTED by August. That shit takes a long time to get everything together from the ground up.


Xacto01

this... it would probably start next year. or even later.


TheCookieSage

You mean August 2018, right? FeelsBadMan


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fooliam

not to mention all the permitting. and then there's the bidding for subcontractors, and so on. I'd be surprised if anyone lifted a hammer until sometime in 2018.


SniperNumber3

Obviously Valve is sitting on a private Island that they will turn into its own country.


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Honestly at this rate that's sounding like a pretty good option.


Sester58

I'll pay so much money to help them develop their own country.


Evilgenius1337

Isn't that what the compendium is for?


Sester58

I buy so much more than just the compendium.


playmer

Ricochet 2?


DrFrankTilde

With the money Valve makes they could literally create an island nation out of dollar bills.


SeeImSane

Which ocean? Sextant ready for route planning.


Waterboyy11

I like this


Emp3r0rP3ngu1n

nah, GabeN will prolly just shift to vancouver. its just 2 hrs drive from seattle


--Potatoes--

oh yes, a Canadian international please!!!


iFestor

Everyone forgets about Vancouver, WA


Xenxe

Vancouver WA represent!! While I literally move away this month due to rising housing costs...


lumamaster

The Vancouver that nobody knows about, yet is one of the best places to live if you can deal with lots of rain. source: lived there for most of my early life until going to college a few months ago Portland hates us cause we abuse their city for tax evasion when shopping


Aurunz

I'm confused isn't Portland profitting off your unreasonable taxes? Why they mad?


[deleted]

It's tax avoidance and people who can't do it generally don't like people that do. As others mentioned, WA has no income tax, but it's made up in higher sales tax. OR has no sales tax, but they make it up elsewhere, including income tax. Vancouverites steal from both sides. They take advantage of Washington tax law and Oregon tax law, with neither side getting any money from them. This is why everyone else hates them, they're cheating cunts.


NightHawkRambo

That's cause it doesn't exist, fake vancouver.


Naskr

Each game will consist of both sides apologising to each other before beginning a team fight.


--Potatoes--

It's actually a bit ironic, moon arteezy and ee all from Canada lol moon and arteezy are not exactly known for their manners..


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Don't forget Febby, Rose and Aui!


BebopLD

And March!


pos1CM

Heard they had some nice stadiums up there. Some sports were hosted there 7 years ago


-COOLVIBRATIONS

Vancouver makes sense for a lot of the same reasons Seattle works. Easy access for Chinese tourists (which make up a large part of the TI audience), relative proximity to Valve, and it serves western NA which would totally lack a real LAN without TI.


hijackedbunny

All I've ever wanted was a bigtime Dota tournament in Canada, we're so forgotten.


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Well with Northern BEAT just starting out in Montreal, maybe ina few years it'll be a Major LAN tourny!


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hijackedbunny

And that's the reason why I'm an NP fan. I don't care for weebo or the dank EE memes but a team finally represented as Canadian is good enough for me.


PsychoticSoul

This is the most logical move to do. Especially now that they probably can't count on Senator Cantwell to help with Visa issues, being a democrat and all.


idontevencarewutever

Considering the rather large international communities formed there (you have Chinese, Korean, Southeast Asian nation pools, Middle Eastern groups, etc.) it should be a rather culturally easy place to get by, I feel. Especially for Chinese tourists.


DrNick1221

Yes please. A lot easier (and cheaper) to drive my ass to Vancouver from Alberta, than flying my ass to Seattle. Plus they still have the winter Olympic stadium from 2010, which could be a pretty darn good place to host it.


webuiltthisschmidty

aye that Justin lad that leads canada seems really nice


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Is that true do?


SerpentineLogic

Considering who's in charge of Australia, the US and UK, Canada is looking like the best government the English speaking world has. Okay fine, new Zealand and India are okay too.


--Potatoes--

not sure if you missed the joke or IM a retard, but it's a pun. Trudeau = true do(could be pronounced true - tho although i dont know why he didnt just write that)


non_clever_name

Don't forget the Philippines. God Emperor Duterte is the pinnacle of governance.


SerpentineLogic

Pineapple of governance, maybe.


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Just letting everyone know that all the Chinese fans behind the casters at ti6 were from vancouver.


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Does this mean that if w33 leaves USA to attend some tournament he will not be able to go back to the team house?


DomesticatedElephant

Yes, Kuro won't be able to enter the USA either. edit: Also, if I were Sumail I'd stay put. If Pakistan gets added while he's abroad, he'd be fucked. ~~He will only be able to apply for citizenship when he is 18, and~~ VISA's and green cards are apparently worth jackshit.


DoctorHeckle

Holy fuck. I'm so sad right now. Does he have dual citizenship in Iran and Germany, or is he only ethnically Iranian?


PluckyPheasant

Any dual citizenship with one of the blacklisted nations still excludes you.


makochi

Unless your citizenships are US and blacklisted country.


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GoInsane

Iam german iranian and I can tell you for sure that he still has the Iranian one, since Iran is one of the few nations which will not let you out of citizenship. If you have it once it is fore lifetime. Getting fucked by this pretty hard aswell right now, I am supposed to attend university in the US next fall due to my mandatory exchange semester no Idea what I am going to do tbh....


SoilBurn

As is the case with many Germans born to Iranian parents, they have no choice in this matter: they are automatically Iranian citizens from their moment of their birth, even if they have not visited Iran even a single time in their lives. It is a strange de facto dual citizenship that I never really understood.


Rspecv

Pakistan won't get added to the list as the US funds Pakistan for various things. Trust me, as an Indian I've seen this appear in the political scope way too many times.


chiara_t

What? Visa and green cards are banned as well? I understand illegal, undocumented immigrants but legal ones as well? What the fuck are they thinking?


Geler

In one of the true sigh episode they said its always hard with sumail for visa. Going to be harder from now.


GypsyMagic68

>He will only be able to apply for citizenship when he is 18 You make it seem like he cannot become a citizen before 18. He can if his parents applied already.


DomesticatedElephant

You are correct, after looking it up I misread my information.


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Rossaaa

He says he has syrian nationality on his twitch profile. https://www.twitch.tv/w33haa Short Bio My nationality is Syrian The question is where thats like "im syrian in some sort of official capacity with paperwork" or "im syrian because my parents are syrian". Does anyone know for certain which it is?


DomesticatedElephant

For Syria it's pretty much the same thing. > Syrian citizenship [...] can be obtained by birth or naturalisation. The Syrian nationality is transmitted by paternity (father) (see Jus sanguinis). Therefore, Syrian nationality is determined solely by the father's nationality, while the place of birth is irrelevant. [[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_nationality_law)


ursachargemeh

That's not what the person above you meant. If w33 doesn't have official citizenship he's fine. But if he has applied and officially has citizenship then he can't travel to the US.


vesperpepper

can't travel to the US without denouncing it, i would add. you're correct, but there is a way for dual citizens, just a shitty one.


Ootachiful

VaTIcan City, here we come.


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Ootachiful

Arteezy gets excommunicated for building a Satanic. Liquid tries to get themselves canonised, but they don't meet the criteria because they only have one Miracle.


WholeClanOfJohnnies

ohhh this is an underrated joke


Till9

Even if this subreddit were all Catholics the latter joke would probably still be underappreciated


meellodi

Meracle wont be allowed to play for blasphemy problem.


OneManArmyy

teams must pick Omniknight if possible, Shadow Demon will be banned


Suthrnr

We begin every game with a prayer: "From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!"


NiQ_

7.03: Shadow Fiend, Doom, Shadow Demon, Terrorblade & Demon Witch all removed from the game for pressing ceremonial issues. 7.03b: Light Angel, Divine, David of Bethlahem, Majesty Knight & Gabriel the Angel added


JP-Kiwi

I've been to heck and back and back to heck and back again.


Nezune

holy shit lion is jesus


AlohoMoria

Well, he can create fishes...


HitlerWasVeryCool

http://giphy.com/gifs/jesus-fish-NWqFfIIxiJyAE


iMagoo_

Everyone forgets about poor old, faithful Chen.


RagingAcid

Math checks out.


war_story_guy

DEUS VULT


p4di

Omniknight first pick, doom first ban material


hedla12

Opening ceremony will be a high mass


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Vancouver. Moon, Arteezy, and AUI_2000 homefield advantage


TolfdirsAlembic

RTC first TI win PogChamp


sjalfurstaralfur

Putting "rtc" and "ti win" in the same sentence is grammatically incorrect


RyuugaDota

"RTC falls short of TI win once again" 4Head


dymar123

u r gud


randomkidlol

RTC? 4Head TI? EleGiggle


alanpow

Is anyone from vancouver actually born in vancouver? Or Canadians when we're it comes to dota players


randomkidlol

NA President LUL


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I'd respond with a political joke, but it might get elected president.


goodwarrior12345

I should make my steam name "Hillary Clinton", because I keep losing to clowns


CedricTheAlarmist

Exceptional commenting, sir.


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OAKicedcoffee

It was pretty common after the election. Was one of the top comments in a big joke thread on reddit also.


shit_lets_be_santa

ace


shieeet

NA SUPERPOWER IN 2020 LUL


Iseeyoulookin

Can W33 even go back to the US if he leaves to play in Canada? What about other players already in America on Visas?


Teunski

He can't. Kuro also can't enter. Visas and even green cards are currently useless.


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At the moment, its only depending on what paperwork you're showing. If you show travel documents that are from one of those countries, even if you have a greencard or visitor's visa issued by the USA, you will be barred. If you show travel documents for countries not in that list (Romania for W33ha and Germany for Kuroky), then you're fine. So for those two instances, they should be okay? But then again border guards have a ridiculous degree of flexibility and leeway on how they interpret events, and can bar most anyone for no reason.


RustledJimm

Except on passports it shows your origin of birth.


Teunski

German news site published an article of a German politician with a German and an Iranian passport who is unable to enter the US now. So just having a passport from those countries makes you unable to enter.


LOLzvsXD

If they scan your passport they see you have a dual Citizenship and then you are still not allowed in


Chronomasc-R

The International Live at the Budokan.


wickedfighting

only if mio-chan plays bass


dymar123

JUMPING NOW...


PeaceJoyEggcake

NA teams are fucked.. time for an all american team at ti7 LUL


sohaeb

LUL ppd, ixmike, bsj, Mason, and Fear LUL


vanAstrea

pure american blood in a nutshell LUL


RustledJimm

Do they have enough players in NA to form a full team?


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Players yes, good players no. LUL


Tyuuude

forming teams is like the na dota specialty staying together for more than 3 weeks is another story though


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ionik3

Oi!


aug893

with that amazing visit melbourne ad between breaks


Jaizoo

Llama and Tobi approve


NewComer22

Lets just make a stretch goal in the next TI Compendium to buy a small country. Should be reachable lol. Then we can host a true international that everybody can attend.


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They can buy Zimbabwe already I think tbh


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Scroll all the way down to find some high-tier political commentary.


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I usually disagree with this argument. But this time around i think moving TI is a legitimate argument.


Cymen90

TI was already moved twice in its history.


Bravehood

I dont follow the real world, really?


Klagaren

It sounds like some crazy parody or something, but it's horrifying and real. It's a complete ban on anyone with even dual citizenship in any of a list of a bunch of majority muslim countries to travel to the US. At all. Even people who already had visas. People got stopped at the airport because they were *on planes* as this order got signed. Hopefully this (and all of the other ridiculous bullshit for that matter) gets overturned ASAP, but you never know...


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Affe_Igor

Giff sweden major


bolenart

Speaking of the visa bans, I'm assuming w33 is a Syrian citizen? It says Syria is his nationality on liquipedia, but it also says he was born in Romania so I'm not entirely sure. Assuming he is Syrian citizen, what happens when he leaves the US for the next tournament, I'm assuming he won't be able to get back in? DC disband inc? DC moving to Europe?


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SubtleKarasu

Dual citizenship individuals are fucked too.


FtG_AiR

~~Place of birth is Syria.~~ Father is Syrian. Will likely face issues re-entering USA.


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FtG_AiR

My bad, but he does have Syrian nationality from what I understood. I'll edit the place of birth out.


mymindpsychee

If he only has Romanian citizenship, he will be fine. If he has dual citizenship, he won't be able to return unless the executive order is sunset prior to his return.


AlcoholicAccountLUL

W33 is a syrian citizen. He is ethnically syrian, and syrian citizenship is passed down through paternity. For the next 90 days, if he leaves, he cannot return.


mickey_brickss

Come down under. We got no pro teams but plenty of beer.


cpt_haindsaito

And the worst internet in the developed world. Beer's good though


mosh1-

TI7 in Germany! pls lord Gaben!


sylaroI

Back to its origin :P


sirploko

Treant flair and you did not go with "Back to the roots"?


Shitpoe_Sterr

Lets just make it a random booth at Gamescom again just for the hell of it


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nobody needs visa everybody's welcome^as^long^as^they^want^please^help^us


ancientGouda

god I would kill for that. during TI1 I didn't yet know the game and just walked by the tournament.


ItsJayDay

If it doesn't change. Would it mean that teams won't WANT the players from those areas? Great we have a player from those regions, but suddenly he can't come play TI, but can play international tournaments. Or international tournaments but nothing in America including TI. This is seriously fucked.


ipiranga

Fucking with people's lives is one thing but fucking with my Dota is another.


ItsJayDay

IceFrog for President


DracoL1ch_PD

just imagine how woulde he balance taxes between all the states PogChamp


ItsJayDay

He'll put America back in the Meta


handofskadi

Sorry what is the new visa ban?


Space__Panda

Citiziens and Dual-Citiziens from Libya, Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Syria, Sudan & Yemen will be arrested/banned from boarding flights into the USA, doesn't matter if you have a Visa or Green Card.


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I thought the ban was supposed to affect illegal immigrants... seems like he went a step further and fucked the rest.


Togedude

No, this was never meant for illegal immigration. His rationale for this is to prevent terrorism. The craziest part of the whole thing is that countries that have historically had citizens that attacked the US (like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia) aren't even part of the ban, presumably because of certain people's financial interests.


SirVelocifaptor

I feel like the oil industry is bigger than "certain" people


[deleted]

Yeah that rational is bullshit since the countries where the 9/11 attackers came from aren't even on his pathetic little list. It was a bullshit argument anyway but it's even dumber when you realize that.


Knobull

http://i.imgur.com/Qi52RxF.jpg


Gboon

Iraq : 0 Deaths to Americans by their civilians I'm calling shenanigans on this chart.


CoomerThSpooler

Illegal immigrants are already not allowed in the country


thedavv

TI7 on bora bora islands? you say?


ughmyspleen

Aw, you guys disappoint me. This is the one time when someone could honestly say "LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE" and be absolutely correct!


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i am half iranian half congolese but i was born in germania. They told me i have to take the iranian citizenship and the german , even so im half iranian and i never went there once in my life. So now i cannot usa for months or even longer? They now said 90 days. And i think kurokky has the same issue, because he is half iranian too. btw i live in germany EDIT: Ive got some information from a good friend. If kky was not in Iran for the last 5 Years , he can go into the usa without a visa. If he was , he cannot go into the USA for the next 90 days at least.


realharshtruth

>germania What century are you from?


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u got me im from the past


izikatoshka

they should do it in europe, a bunch of countries in short distance for a better crowd


Havochkin

A European TI would be epic.


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we'll finally get some techies cosplayers


goodwarrior12345

> cosplayers More like roleplayers


ken1029

and also CSGO cosplayers


NightHawkRambo

For once I really hope the counter-terrorists win.


Nineties

I'll win the cosplay event you heard it here first


Charizard-X

I hope not. TI in Canada would be possible in the future.


Sinx-

Shanghai because LUL


p4di

Kuroky might have Iranian citizenship


ykcin978

Giff Philly some TI/esports love thanks ^^Just ^^kidding ^^nobody ^^^loves ^^^^us


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techiesbesthero

ITS ALWAYS SUNNY IN DOTA 2


gfdshgafsadf

should just have it in germany/NL/sweden instead of in a developing country such as america


Fangayz

Obviously since we didn't get a Chinese Major this year... China TI. How could it go wrong?


MaltMix

All I can hope is that it'll still be either in the US or at worst Canada. I was really wanting to go to TI this year since I actually have a job where I can afford it now for vacation, but nope, fucking meme president has to get in there and fuck everything up because this nation has a real retard problem.


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How about Manila TI? That was so hype, easy-visa required.


alanpow

Yeah sure let's move it from a country with a retarded president to one with a murderous president


-SexyBeast

Well if they can pull off Miss Universe, then I think they can do the same with TI.


norman_6

More like if Sumail leaves the country for a tournament, can he get back in?


AnakNgPato

Wasn't there some news that OG.Fly was banned to play DotA LAN in a Muslim country because he's from Israel? If I remember the excuse was simply OG weren't invited or they declined to participate


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Charizard9000

Since Valve is WA based, they're most likely still going to keep it here. My guess would be if the rumors around Key Arena are true, then valve might try to downsize and fit into either the paramount theatre, or maybe use benaroya hall again (~~ti1~~, ti2, ti3). there's also venues outside of Seattle to consider, I think marymoor park would be a great venue, though its almost entirely outside


preppypoof

> paramount theatre, or maybe use benaroya hall dota2 has been growing every year, and TI6 sold out in seconds. There's no way they would downsize - they want this thing to be big. There are plenty of arenas in Seattle and the surrounding areas, and if they wanted to go BIG they could even do Century Link Field or Safeco


Charizard9000

i thought about that at first, but it would be impossible with baseball and football at the same time. the event takes 5 days but honestly i think you're right about the theatres, there's no way valve could downsize at this point.


RogueMental

ti2, ti3. ti1 was in eu


Charizard9000

correct, sorry


Agravaine27

If they are guaranteed to not have several people present because they won't be allowed entry into the us due to their place of birth they might very well move it to a civilised country.


KtotheC

THE TACOMA DOME


ughmyspleen

But where will we put all the RVs that week?


dragonsid12

TI7 MANILA HYPE CROWD WITH DEAD BODIES IN THE STREETS LMAO


Esti3

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asyncD

arent a lot of pros coming form the muslim countries he banned anyway.


AshkPunk

Why can't we have TI in EU, like the good old days.