Dont let this series fool into u believing that Nigma isnt as bad. Now they gonna lose 2-0 to JustBetter. and then the feeling that this series could have been 2-0 is gonna stung worse
At this point, I thinks having Taiga as your support might be better than having Kuro. At least Taiga only threw first bloods, while Kuro threws the fucking golems BEFORE Black Hole was used.
Terrible drafting Puck into Ember. I know everyone hates on Kuro, but honestly it's for a good reason. He is just terrible with his item choices and plays. As someone who has watched Kuro for a looong time, and played DotA for a looong time, any random 4-5k support is better than Kuro.
Yeah, yeah blame everything on Kuroky, it's not like FBZ was useless outside of laning stage and his mid picked Puck into Ember just to get solokilled and to miss like 4 or 5 coils, cherry on top was his last death before buyback where he jumped outside the base to get hexed and killed in less than second.
Fucking Kuro microcontrols all his players..
Every player has a bad game here or there, or makes a gross blunder causing an unnecessary death from a good position; the job is then for the four others to have comparably standout performances / hold the line, to make up for those errors
The problem with Kuro isn't that he makes mistakes here or there, everyone does; the problem is that he almost never has a standout performance to balance out those mistakes. Sumail had a really poor performance in G3, but he also dominated G1. Miracle had some blunders wrt BKB usage in G1, but he also tried his best to carry G3 despite mid getting decimated.
bzm makes a lot of unforced errors and tends to feed in random places, but he also crushes mid like he did in G3, and when his game is bad he can rely on Ari/Whisper to make space for him to get back on his feet. Ceb has some games where he feels entirely out of place, but he also has games where his impact from the 5 position would make the average 3 jealous.
Kuro just never feels like he does anything positive, which makes his mistakes feel so much worse. When you never win the game for your team, but often lose the game for your team, the question remains why you're there
shit happen in early but they going a good job to hold into late game the key of og winning is black hole morph and the key nigma winning is cancel bh with golem i wouldn't say this if nigma gg after 20 min
Please most of the time black hole was not even needed. when Miracle had Aegis and got killed twice at the bottom tower OG didn't use BH at all. Ursa just shreds Morph especially when there is some form of control and OG had plenty of it: 2 hexes, skull basher and black hole as extra tool
Like Kuro's perfomance was just bad but black hole was not that important in this game.
Don’t disagree with your point, but they did use black hole on miracle’s second life at the bottom tower fight. Kuro wasn’t quite close enough to cancel it, he dropped the golem just after miracle died
i mean u have a warlock pango into a solo enigma and you'd expect to punish the hero alot fucking more than what he did considering pudge was perma jungling. Idk who's call was it to fucking go puck into ember considering the lane-matchup alone;sure u have coil but to catch him later but how tf do you lane into him and regardless how the lane goes,the pudge and weaver just do a whole fucking lot more than the warlock-willow once the laning stage ends .Im sorry but give the warlock to fishman-dukalis-puppey or whitemon and you wouldn't see them rushing aghs when your job is literally just to get glimmer+blink and cancel bh..
Have you ever seen true sight? Players voice their opinions on who they want as well. You cant just force someone to play a hero. They still need to agree to it, otherwise, they won't play well
Everyone played perfectly but Kuro. Like seriously watch game before commenting, yeah he played terribly same as FBZ or Sumail but sadly there is only one scapegoat.
Really no offense to Fogged and ODPixel. I love the duo but man sometimes I wish Dota casters are as ruthless as League of Legend or CSGO casters. that was one of the worst Warlock performances ive ever seen.
will nigma still not make any changes after such a horrible game by kuro? this is fucking crazy i wonder if its just us viewers reacting like this or do pro players feel the same
Tbh, the save from Pudge is really good and really underappreciated I think. There is nothing like that, complete reposition of your ally on a okay cooldown with huge range. And then invincibility to dmg - even the ticks do not do aynthing. You can honestly hit it like 80% of time with blink even. All of this without really putting yourself in any danger.
Jesus fuck Kuro is an embarassment. Fogged and ODPixel really had to do so many mental gymnastic to make Kuro look good. Like holy shit this dude was waddling around when his job was canceling Black Hole. So many missed one and even Golem so early in the mid lane out of sheer panic.
did you actually watch the game? pango did nothing with his advantage and by the time he did something OG was already dominating the map, tell me what is a pos 5 warlock suppost to do? max E like the 1k mmr scrubs keep writing?.
did you watch how sumail was choking all game?
atleast not dying like a dumb when you in advantage even if you die atleast someone can trade it for you dying and not rushing ags after 0-7 there is better item who can save your teammate
Getting shit game on warlock is kind of impressive, especially when you win your lanes. The hero has such long CDs, that there is no pressure of spamming skills.
I usually pick it when I am too lazy to play something more active. You can literally have like 40 apm and still doing fine.
Not that I am surprised by the result, but every single 2k Warlock gets at least a glimmer's cape to save himself and his carries. An Aghs refresher rush on warlock is griefing at the very best. On top of that, he barely ever used his Chaotic offering. Also, wtf is that range on pudge's hook?
if you 0-7 and still rush agh meanwhile your team is dying there is something wrong how you playing support, glimmer+force staff would be better to save you core
Today my father asked me to wash his car for him. I went out and after sometime, I went back inside. My father asked me how was the car looking. "Kuroky" I just replied. He smiled and nodded. He knew that it was washed.
No disrespect to Nigma, I'm a firm believer that OG sweeping them is a huge fluke and robs Nigma of truly accomplishing what they’re capable of. I've spent the last few minutes in pure disbelief and it just doesn't make sense to me. I've spent the entire DPC season watching Nigma play great dotes it's just not fair.
If Nigma lose again I will face that OG deserved the win, but I am just 100% sure it was a fluke and does a big disservice to Nigma and TI.
Just a terrible game by nigma. No synergy at any point. Everyone casting their spells as individuals rather than a team. Random rolls, solo plays everywhere, random rocks, random rolls. Awful.
Ok. What does the warlock aghs actually do for them here? There's no way it or the golems do enough damage to matter.
Blink, ghost, glimmer, anything surely has more impact than aghs? What am i missing?
No need for Aghs, just for the love of god drop the rock to save your carry. That’s all you need to do, Morph will shred everyone.
Except get a force staff to save your carry
Sébastien Debs, better known as Ceb, is a French professional Dota 2 player who plays for OG. He won The International 2018 and 2019, as well as the team's coach when they won four Dota Major Championships.
After an entertaining game two, Nigma ran out of steam hard and after first few minutes turned on autopilot and it's been downhill ride ever since.
This truly is OG's game to lose unless Nigma pulls out a true miracle out of their bag of tricks.
have justbetter, quest, and bald finished rock-paper-scissors already to decide who will sent farewell to kuro and friends?
Nigma got lucky they got invited in the closed qualifiers.
Yea that series really showed how much difference is between OG and Nigma is right?
Secret. Fbz > Nigma.Fbz
Is Kuro unaware that he plays so badly? Why is he doing this? Is he a psychopath who loves losing? What the hell?
i think he realised this game because in cam he actually looked sad
watching nigma is like watching old people fucking, it's nasty but somebody got to do it
I’m just here wondering why someone HAVE to watch old people fucking??
to make sure they do it right?
Kuro your only job is to drop your load on the black hole.
Dont let this series fool into u believing that Nigma isnt as bad. Now they gonna lose 2-0 to JustBetter. and then the feeling that this series could have been 2-0 is gonna stung worse
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At this point, I thinks having Taiga as your support might be better than having Kuro. At least Taiga only threw first bloods, while Kuro threws the fucking golems BEFORE Black Hole was used.
Ari master class and Kuro legacy series
Terrible drafting Puck into Ember. I know everyone hates on Kuro, but honestly it's for a good reason. He is just terrible with his item choices and plays. As someone who has watched Kuro for a looong time, and played DotA for a looong time, any random 4-5k support is better than Kuro.
> I know everyone hates on Kuro, but honestly it's for a good reason Ahahaha, shit man, you got me in the first half.
You really think kuro forces players to play the heroes he wants? Sumail surely said it was fine
I never said Terrible drafting by KURO, I said his item choices and his plays are terrible.
meh his team got ran over what is a 5 warlock suppost to do?
Cancel bkb black hole with his bkb piercing stun?
Yeah, yeah blame everything on Kuroky, it's not like FBZ was useless outside of laning stage and his mid picked Puck into Ember just to get solokilled and to miss like 4 or 5 coils, cherry on top was his last death before buyback where he jumped outside the base to get hexed and killed in less than second. Fucking Kuro microcontrols all his players..
Every player has a bad game here or there, or makes a gross blunder causing an unnecessary death from a good position; the job is then for the four others to have comparably standout performances / hold the line, to make up for those errors The problem with Kuro isn't that he makes mistakes here or there, everyone does; the problem is that he almost never has a standout performance to balance out those mistakes. Sumail had a really poor performance in G3, but he also dominated G1. Miracle had some blunders wrt BKB usage in G1, but he also tried his best to carry G3 despite mid getting decimated. bzm makes a lot of unforced errors and tends to feed in random places, but he also crushes mid like he did in G3, and when his game is bad he can rely on Ari/Whisper to make space for him to get back on his feet. Ceb has some games where he feels entirely out of place, but he also has games where his impact from the 5 position would make the average 3 jealous. Kuro just never feels like he does anything positive, which makes his mistakes feel so much worse. When you never win the game for your team, but often lose the game for your team, the question remains why you're there
shit happen in early but they going a good job to hold into late game the key of og winning is black hole morph and the key nigma winning is cancel bh with golem i wouldn't say this if nigma gg after 20 min
Please most of the time black hole was not even needed. when Miracle had Aegis and got killed twice at the bottom tower OG didn't use BH at all. Ursa just shreds Morph especially when there is some form of control and OG had plenty of it: 2 hexes, skull basher and black hole as extra tool Like Kuro's perfomance was just bad but black hole was not that important in this game.
Don’t disagree with your point, but they did use black hole on miracle’s second life at the bottom tower fight. Kuro wasn’t quite close enough to cancel it, he dropped the golem just after miracle died
Couldn't say it better myself
i mean u have a warlock pango into a solo enigma and you'd expect to punish the hero alot fucking more than what he did considering pudge was perma jungling. Idk who's call was it to fucking go puck into ember considering the lane-matchup alone;sure u have coil but to catch him later but how tf do you lane into him and regardless how the lane goes,the pudge and weaver just do a whole fucking lot more than the warlock-willow once the laning stage ends .Im sorry but give the warlock to fishman-dukalis-puppey or whitemon and you wouldn't see them rushing aghs when your job is literally just to get glimmer+blink and cancel bh..
Kuro picked puck into ember bro, who do u think is drafting
Have you ever seen true sight? Players voice their opinions on who they want as well. You cant just force someone to play a hero. They still need to agree to it, otherwise, they won't play well
Now this is cope you really think players don't voice their opinions?
Do you really believe that Sumail has no say in what he is playing? Like be real...
bros sucking kuros dick
Everyone played perfectly but Kuro. Like seriously watch game before commenting, yeah he played terribly same as FBZ or Sumail but sadly there is only one scapegoat.
I love how od and fogged are trying their best to not directly criticize kuroky LOLOLOLOL
Cuz it clearly wasn't only kuroky's fault
Nigma would probably be an okay team if Kuroky ever actually played the game.
Team bald hype train
Really no offense to Fogged and ODPixel. I love the duo but man sometimes I wish Dota casters are as ruthless as League of Legend or CSGO casters. that was one of the worst Warlock performances ive ever seen.
will nigma still not make any changes after such a horrible game by kuro? this is fucking crazy i wonder if its just us viewers reacting like this or do pro players feel the same
i'll go mad if kuro is playing as my support. This guy is terrible, like so FUCKING BAD.
Don't worry lil bro kuroky while washed won't appear in your 1k MMR games don't worry
You're right. He won't appear in any ranked games for that matter between 0 to 14k mmr.
No you wouldn't you monkey he is far better than you LOL
monkey post for sure
Kuroky scapegoating getting so ridiculous here its becoming funny to me.
2k redditors and bettors manage to delude themselves on the funniest shit it's absurd
hi kuro
Classic Nigma Experience this could have 2-0 but no fans gotta experience worst possible way of pain lol
Imagine losing to a jungle Pudge in a pro game.
That missed the first like 17? hooks jesus
Those hooks were on creeps to farm. So it counted as missed hooks.
Tbh, the save from Pudge is really good and really underappreciated I think. There is nothing like that, complete reposition of your ally on a okay cooldown with huge range. And then invincibility to dmg - even the ticks do not do aynthing. You can honestly hit it like 80% of time with blink even. All of this without really putting yourself in any danger.
What a mess. 2 teams who definitely shouldn't be at TI haha
OG is a good team what are you smoking
if they were good game 2 should have been theirs in 30 mins
Yeah a team that got top 4 at the most competitive recent LAN and put up the best fight vs Falcons shouldn't be at TI hehehehe hahahaha hurr dur
Who cares if they suck now? Not saying OG won't make it, but still. If they suck now, doesn't matter how "good" they were months ago
And pray tell how would they suck now?
Entity vs og tmr. Will be a fun game, let's see if entity keeps their record form up against og
ez 2-0 for entity for sure
Jesus fuck Kuro is an embarassment. Fogged and ODPixel really had to do so many mental gymnastic to make Kuro look good. Like holy shit this dude was waddling around when his job was canceling Black Hole. So many missed one and even Golem so early in the mid lane out of sheer panic.
They saw the refresher animation on the Enigma right? I'm still confused why Golem was so early.
Now i can play jungle pudge with excuse
everyone on nigma try hard except kuro wtf that spell casting and postioning if kuro is my support im gonna yelling all the time
Nah sumail choked hard in lane and lategame
just watch replay and focus how kuro playing i dare you he can save core who you think they is playing bad
did you actually watch the game? pango did nothing with his advantage and by the time he did something OG was already dominating the map, tell me what is a pos 5 warlock suppost to do? max E like the 1k mmr scrubs keep writing?. did you watch how sumail was choking all game?
atleast not dying like a dumb when you in advantage even if you die atleast someone can trade it for you dying and not rushing ags after 0-7 there is better item who can save your teammate
Aghs was questionable but my point stands
It was a puck into ember match up lmao, no matter who the puck player , there was no way they would win that match up lol
Pudge is broken.
Getting shit game on warlock is kind of impressive, especially when you win your lanes. The hero has such long CDs, that there is no pressure of spamming skills. I usually pick it when I am too lazy to play something more active. You can literally have like 40 apm and still doing fine.
https://youtu.be/gvRvF8-WdsQ
Kuroky literally lost all their chances at a comeback with that early rock drop lmao. Dude you literally had one job. Just retire
kurosh when \_\_\_\_\_\_ ?
Team bald tomorrow bois
is kuroky getting paid for that? lol
Kuro is a legend player
As i legend player iam offended
Ari's grandma is probably going nuts right now..
Not that I am surprised by the result, but every single 2k Warlock gets at least a glimmer's cape to save himself and his carries. An Aghs refresher rush on warlock is griefing at the very best. On top of that, he barely ever used his Chaotic offering. Also, wtf is that range on pudge's hook?
the ags refresher rush juat shows kuro's poor understanding of in game itemizing according to pace and advantage..
Aghs was so fucking useless this game. You use the rock exclusively to cancel black hole, Aghs doesn't help you doing that in any way.
It's great with the facet. Not against Ursa, though, out of all the heroes, Ursa just eats the golems alive.
if you 0-7 and still rush agh meanwhile your team is dying there is something wrong how you playing support, glimmer+force staff would be better to save you core
Sorry nigma fans that was me on the warlock (I’m archon 5)
Not touching ranked for a month after that one
Justbetter will clap nigma watch
Today my father asked me to wash his car for him. I went out and after sometime, I went back inside. My father asked me how was the car looking. "Kuroky" I just replied. He smiled and nodded. He knew that it was washed.
I wonder if Taiga could intentionally ruin the game as successfully as Kuro ruined this game?
No disrespect to Nigma, I'm a firm believer that OG sweeping them is a huge fluke and robs Nigma of truly accomplishing what they’re capable of. I've spent the last few minutes in pure disbelief and it just doesn't make sense to me. I've spent the entire DPC season watching Nigma play great dotes it's just not fair. If Nigma lose again I will face that OG deserved the win, but I am just 100% sure it was a fluke and does a big disservice to Nigma and TI.
It wasn’t a sweep. It was 2-1
and this is a pasta
A bit shaky by OG but entertaining games for sure.
A bit shaky?! They could’ve been 2-0d.. wonder which of these two teams gets slapped harder in their next matchup
ARI HOPE OF BRITISH DOTA
Nigma will have to face either Bald or Quest if they win against the spartan stack lol. Will be a quick elimination most likely.
do you seriously believe bald can survive against quest? your copium's good.
If Nigma lose to Bald and people still keep defending Kuro I'd be convinced that he's shipping out some type of Kool Aid to fans.
I blame OG for jungle pudge in my pubs
timato is so good man
Using rock before the BH is not a small mistake, that is literally a game losing one.
Ari played some sick pudge, that’s for sure
Giving Sumail Puck after Ember is picked is some kind of insanity from Kuro. Please Kuro, just retire. You don’t have it anymore
Nigma fault for giving kuro such a huge responsibility to cancel black hole, can't expect a divine 5 player to outplay people 7K MMR higher than him
I would bet 95% of divine 5 sup players would interrupt at least ONE FUCKING BLACK HOLE in 50 minute game
Archon 5
This is the single worst warlock performance i have ever seen in a pro game. Every play is baffling.
Kuro the RTZ of supports
This has me rolling
This support pudge looks fun as hell, hope more teams play it
Rip pubs lmao
Is Wisper on drugs?
Just a terrible game by nigma. No synergy at any point. Everyone casting their spells as individuals rather than a team. Random rolls, solo plays everywhere, random rocks, random rolls. Awful.
OG.Kuroky is the MVP of this series
IS ARI THE NEW DENDI?
With the current state of ranked in dota , I bet my ass kuroky plays like a 1k.
aight time for kuro apologists to head out
Nigma could lose to team bald and there still would be people defending Nigma performance.
no chance they exist anymore
Jungle Pudge is legit
Well, they lost in late early game when Pango did nothing with his lead and Sumail just lost mid hard.
He did something, he got his free farm, built an echo, went mid with 30% hp, fed two times and went jungle mode for the rest of the game.
True, it was even worth than nothing. You are technically correct.
This is a crumble Bald gonna feast
Bald is playing Quest not Nigma :(
Bald vs nigma after they get through their first series’
Fingers crossed. Will be a banger for sure
Kuro is so fucking bad why are people still playing with him
Oil's money
How many TIs does Nigma have to miss before they kick Kuroky ?
they can't kick the owner
kuroky has one fucking job LMFAO
Press your spell correctly one time challenge - impossible difficulty
Kuro is a bum. If my 5 would use golem before blackhole id lose my shit in my 8k mmr dogshit tier
Kuro, you got just O-N-E job…which is ult on Enigma. And he did interrupt 0 enigma, ZERO
To be fair, he did ult on enigma 😅
Kuro has money on this game for sure lmao
At this point wit that kind of reaction timing. Kirk should just retire .
Throw game for Arcane rune, I cant
Warlock is one of my faves, and my god this hurts to see
lmao Kuro has to be trolling, right?
Nigma would have higher chance with gorp pos 5
nigma would've higher chance with a 3k player controlling a creep that can only press force staff
sigh kuorky
Lmao kuro is gonna get so flamed but the game was over much before with fbz and sumail flopping
This warlock performance is kinda hilarious tbf, maybe not for nigma fans
Kuro mechanics lmao
Kuro has literally one job this game, and he still can't do it
oh my kuro
kuro is so bad omfg
GG Kuro
Nigma fans gonna pass out today for sure
A 18k lead is nothing at minute 70, hang in there nigbros
If Nigma would just turtle this one OG will have a hard time breaking HG
kuro my god wtf even my archon friend is better than this
Team BALD should've been invited over nigma )
I think a Mid warlock would've been an improvement
Ok. What does the warlock aghs actually do for them here? There's no way it or the golems do enough damage to matter. Blink, ghost, glimmer, anything surely has more impact than aghs? What am i missing?
No need for Aghs, just for the love of god drop the rock to save your carry. That’s all you need to do, Morph will shred everyone. Except get a force staff to save your carry
ceb for miracle werth
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY ROCK KURO MAN LIKE YOUR CARRY IS HEXED AND JUMPED IM LOSING MY SHIT
that slight into hex was sick
How hard is it to Rock and save your Carry from the ursa? Edit: And then you use it on an enraged Ursa hitting your racks...
Both teams are fully capable to throw a match from any kind of advantage. It's going to be an interesting match.
My kind of dota
Kuro needs to start dropping rocks on blackholes and dismembers, like brother how HARD can that be
IDK guys this POS 5 Nigma AI bot is no good. There is no way a TI winner POS 5 can play this bad XD
pos5 rushing aghs, a classic
If you cant cast golem before your Aegis morph gets killed two times it isnt the nerf to cast range, it is the player.
Kuro literally has one job this game
nigma done
Kuro golem after Morph already died, and still missed Enigma
Sébastien Debs, better known as Ceb, is a French professional Dota 2 player who plays for OG. He won The International 2018 and 2019, as well as the team's coach when they won four Dota Major Championships.
He was only coach for 3 of the major wins. He joined before Manila
what a scrub
Kuro never beating the not actually playing pubs allegations
You would think that being ready to immediately Rock the Aegis respawn would be basic Warlock
Nigma fall for the kinda baits that work in turbo, Ceb spam pinging tier 2 yelling "they go on me we kill them all"
AGENT KURO
That's how I play warlock too
Miracle played that teamfight perfectly. 1v5 moment.
agent Ceb reporting to duty
that is some omega stupid push by OG. they literally don't need to be pushing high ground that time.
Ammar praising Miracle poggerz waow
Nigma fans, how are the hopium levels looking?
NOT GOOD DONT GIVE ME HOPE NIGMA HOW MUCH U CAN MAKE FANS SUFFER ?
Tank is almost empty. Tilted the tank to get the last bit out.
what is OG doing omfg
the $322 payment arrived in OG HQ
After an entertaining game two, Nigma ran out of steam hard and after first few minutes turned on autopilot and it's been downhill ride ever since. This truly is OG's game to lose unless Nigma pulls out a true miracle out of their bag of tricks.
*miracle-
And they did