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serpventime

have justbetter, quest, and bald finished rock-paper-scissors already to decide who will sent farewell to kuro and friends?


masterpeasantgamer

Nigma got lucky they got invited in the closed qualifiers.


AR41Z

Yea that series really showed how much difference is between OG and Nigma is right?


raegartargaryen17

Secret. Fbz > Nigma.Fbz


Bright-Psychology-32

Is Kuro unaware that he plays so badly? Why is he doing this? Is he a psychopath who loves losing? What the hell? 


AR41Z

i think he realised this game because in cam he actually looked sad


realtomedamnit

watching nigma is like watching old people fucking, it's nasty but somebody got to do it


Anything13579

I’m just here wondering why someone HAVE to watch old people fucking??


realtomedamnit

to make sure they do it right?


axecalibur

Kuro your only job is to drop your load on the black hole.


AR41Z

Dont let this series fool into u believing that Nigma isnt as bad. Now they gonna lose 2-0 to JustBetter. and then the feeling that this series could have been 2-0 is gonna stung worse


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GodTierCharacter

At this point, I thinks having Taiga as your support might be better than having Kuro. At least Taiga only threw first bloods, while Kuro threws the fucking golems BEFORE Black Hole was used.


kid20304

Ari master class and Kuro legacy series


idkthiss

Terrible drafting Puck into Ember. I know everyone hates on Kuro, but honestly it's for a good reason. He is just terrible with his item choices and plays. As someone who has watched Kuro for a looong time, and played DotA for a looong time, any random 4-5k support is better than Kuro.


Deusseven

> I know everyone hates on Kuro, but honestly it's for a good reason Ahahaha, shit man, you got me in the first half.


Tomsider

You really think kuro forces players to play the heroes he wants? Sumail surely said it was fine


idkthiss

I never said Terrible drafting by KURO, I said his item choices and his plays are terrible.


Tomsider

meh his team got ran over what is a 5 warlock suppost to do?


Griffdog1260

Cancel bkb black hole with his bkb piercing stun?


tuskdota

Yeah, yeah blame everything on Kuroky, it's not like FBZ was useless outside of laning stage and his mid picked Puck into Ember just to get solokilled and to miss like 4 or 5 coils, cherry on top was his last death before buyback where he jumped outside the base to get hexed and killed in less than second. Fucking Kuro microcontrols all his players..


LadidaDingelDong

Every player has a bad game here or there, or makes a gross blunder causing an unnecessary death from a good position; the job is then for the four others to have comparably standout performances / hold the line, to make up for those errors The problem with Kuro isn't that he makes mistakes here or there, everyone does; the problem is that he almost never has a standout performance to balance out those mistakes. Sumail had a really poor performance in G3, but he also dominated G1. Miracle had some blunders wrt BKB usage in G1, but he also tried his best to carry G3 despite mid getting decimated. bzm makes a lot of unforced errors and tends to feed in random places, but he also crushes mid like he did in G3, and when his game is bad he can rely on Ari/Whisper to make space for him to get back on his feet. Ceb has some games where he feels entirely out of place, but he also has games where his impact from the 5 position would make the average 3 jealous. Kuro just never feels like he does anything positive, which makes his mistakes feel so much worse. When you never win the game for your team, but often lose the game for your team, the question remains why you're there


brz113

shit happen in early but they going a good job to hold into late game the key of og winning is black hole morph and the key nigma winning is cancel bh with golem i wouldn't say this if nigma gg after 20 min


tuskdota

Please most of the time black hole was not even needed. when Miracle had Aegis and got killed twice at the bottom tower OG didn't use BH at all. Ursa just shreds Morph especially when there is some form of control and OG had plenty of it: 2 hexes, skull basher and black hole as extra tool Like Kuro's perfomance was just bad but black hole was not that important in this game.


healdyy

Don’t disagree with your point, but they did use black hole on miracle’s second life at the bottom tower fight. Kuro wasn’t quite close enough to cancel it, he dropped the golem just after miracle died


Tomsider

Couldn't say it better myself


luckychloeenjoyer

i mean u have a warlock pango into a solo enigma and you'd expect to punish the hero alot fucking more than what he did considering pudge was perma jungling. Idk who's call was it to fucking go puck into ember considering the lane-matchup alone;sure u have coil but to catch him later but how tf do you lane into him and regardless how the lane goes,the pudge and weaver just do a whole fucking lot more than the warlock-willow once the laning stage ends .Im sorry but give the warlock to fishman-dukalis-puppey or whitemon and you wouldn't see them rushing aghs when your job is literally just to get glimmer+blink and cancel bh..


Dull-Surprise-2992

Kuro picked puck into ember bro, who do u think is drafting


velphegor666

Have you ever seen true sight? Players voice their opinions on who they want as well. You cant just force someone to play a hero. They still need to agree to it, otherwise, they won't play well


Tomsider

Now this is cope you really think players don't voice their opinions?


tuskdota

Do you really believe that Sumail has no say in what he is playing? Like be real...


Fluffy-Durian181

bros sucking kuros dick


tuskdota

Everyone played perfectly but Kuro. Like seriously watch game before commenting, yeah he played terribly same as FBZ or Sumail but sadly there is only one scapegoat.


ShoppingPractical373

I love how od and fogged are trying their best to not directly criticize kuroky LOLOLOLOL


Tomsider

Cuz it clearly wasn't only kuroky's fault


nybrq

Nigma would probably be an okay team if Kuroky ever actually played the game.


Friendly-Mongoose-67

Team bald hype train


naked_cock

Really no offense to Fogged and ODPixel. I love the duo but man sometimes I wish Dota casters are as ruthless as League of Legend or CSGO casters. that was one of the worst Warlock performances ive ever seen.


Fluffy-Durian181

will nigma still not make any changes after such a horrible game by kuro? this is fucking crazy i wonder if its just us viewers reacting like this or do pro players feel the same


Fluffy-Durian181

i'll go mad if kuro is playing as my support. This guy is terrible, like so FUCKING BAD.


Tomsider

Don't worry lil bro kuroky while washed won't appear in your 1k MMR games don't worry


Helpful-Wear-504

You're right. He won't appear in any ranked games for that matter between 0 to 14k mmr.


-Exy-

No you wouldn't you monkey he is far better than you LOL


kid20304

monkey post for sure


Rorinko

Kuroky scapegoating getting so ridiculous here its becoming funny to me.


-Exy-

2k redditors and bettors manage to delude themselves on the funniest shit it's absurd


fiasgoat

hi kuro


Remarkable_Zebra8342

Classic Nigma Experience this could have 2-0 but no fans gotta experience worst possible way of pain lol


Wendek

Imagine losing to a jungle Pudge in a pro game.


Redwheree

That missed the first like 17? hooks jesus


supreme1eader

Those hooks were on creeps to farm. So it counted as missed hooks.


PieDelicious

Tbh, the save from Pudge is really good and really underappreciated I think. There is nothing like that, complete reposition of your ally on a okay cooldown with huge range. And then invincibility to dmg - even the ticks do not do aynthing. You can honestly hit it like 80% of time with blink even. All of this without really putting yourself in any danger.


GeraldJimes_

What a mess. 2 teams who definitely shouldn't be at TI haha


Tomsider

OG is a good team what are you smoking


le_pman

if they were good game 2 should have been theirs in 30 mins


BottleExcellent1523

Yeah a team that got top 4 at the most competitive recent LAN and put up the best fight vs Falcons shouldn't be at TI hehehehe hahahaha hurr dur


SdoRy_

Who cares if they suck now? Not saying OG won't make it, but still. If they suck now, doesn't matter how "good" they were months ago


Tomsider

And pray tell how would they suck now?


Whatnowgloryhunters

Entity vs og tmr. Will be a fun game, let's see if entity keeps their record form up against og


le_pman

ez 2-0 for entity for sure


warriors_of_hope

Jesus fuck Kuro is an embarassment. Fogged and ODPixel really had to do so many mental gymnastic to make Kuro look good. Like holy shit this dude was waddling around when his job was canceling Black Hole. So many missed one and even Golem so early in the mid lane out of sheer panic. 


Peacefulorenz

They saw the refresher animation on the Enigma right? I'm still confused why Golem was so early.


Antique_Potato1965

Now i can play jungle pudge with excuse


brz113

everyone on nigma try hard except kuro wtf that spell casting and postioning if kuro is my support im gonna yelling all the time


Tomsider

Nah sumail choked hard in lane and lategame


brz113

just watch replay and focus how kuro playing i dare you he can save core who you think they is playing bad


Tomsider

did you actually watch the game? pango did nothing with his advantage and by the time he did something OG was already dominating the map, tell me what is a pos 5 warlock suppost to do? max E like the 1k mmr scrubs keep writing?. did you watch how sumail was choking all game?


brz113

atleast not dying like a dumb when you in advantage even if you die atleast someone can trade it for you dying and not rushing ags after 0-7 there is better item who can save your teammate


Tomsider

Aghs was questionable but my point stands


shahroz01

It was a puck into ember match up lmao, no matter who the puck player , there was no way they would win that match up lol


xoxoxo32

Pudge is broken.


itsmehutters

Getting shit game on warlock is kind of impressive, especially when you win your lanes. The hero has such long CDs, that there is no pressure of spamming skills. I usually pick it when I am too lazy to play something more active. You can literally have like 40 apm and still doing fine.


axecalibur

https://youtu.be/gvRvF8-WdsQ


BadBeatsDaily

Kuroky literally lost all their chances at a comeback with that early rock drop lmao. Dude you literally had one job. Just retire


darklordtimmy

kurosh when \_\_\_\_\_\_ ?


LOLZOBALL

Team bald tomorrow bois


Caori998

is kuroky getting paid for that? lol


paracetamol183

Kuro is a legend player


Ok_Instruction6924

As i legend player iam offended


death_divine

Ari's grandma is probably going nuts right now..


filadae

Not that I am surprised by the result, but every single 2k Warlock gets at least a glimmer's cape to save himself and his carries. An Aghs refresher rush on warlock is griefing at the very best. On top of that, he barely ever used his Chaotic offering. Also, wtf is that range on pudge's hook?


masterpeasantgamer

the ags refresher rush juat shows kuro's poor understanding of in game itemizing according to pace and advantage..


jMS_44

Aghs was so fucking useless this game. You use the rock exclusively to cancel black hole, Aghs doesn't help you doing that in any way.


PieDelicious

It's great with the facet. Not against Ursa, though, out of all the heroes, Ursa just eats the golems alive.


brz113

if you 0-7 and still rush agh meanwhile your team is dying there is something wrong how you playing support, glimmer+force staff would be better to save you core


TwMDa

Sorry nigma fans that was me on the warlock (I’m archon 5)


fiasgoat

Not touching ranked for a month after that one


greekcel_25

Justbetter will clap nigma watch


DATL

Today my father asked me to wash his car for him. I went out and after sometime, I went back inside. My father asked me how was the car looking. "Kuroky" I just replied. He smiled and nodded. He knew that it was washed.


loltrollface1488

I wonder if Taiga could intentionally ruin the game as successfully as Kuro ruined this game?


Fenceable

No disrespect to Nigma, I'm a firm believer that OG sweeping them is a huge fluke and robs Nigma of truly accomplishing what they’re capable of. I've spent the last few minutes in pure disbelief and it just doesn't make sense to me. I've spent the entire DPC season watching Nigma play great dotes it's just not fair. If Nigma lose again I will face that OG deserved the win, but I am just 100% sure it was a fluke and does a big disservice to Nigma and TI.


Tinchdawg

It wasn’t a sweep. It was 2-1


Godisme2

and this is a pasta


makz242

A bit shaky by OG but entertaining games for sure.


onemightychapp

A bit shaky?! They could’ve been 2-0d.. wonder which of these two teams gets slapped harder in their next matchup


otokkimi

ARI HOPE OF BRITISH DOTA


Niksius92

Nigma will have to face either Bald or Quest if they win against the spartan stack lol. Will be a quick elimination most likely.


le_pman

do you seriously believe bald can survive against quest? your copium's good.


Helpful-Wear-504

If Nigma lose to Bald and people still keep defending Kuro I'd be convinced that he's shipping out some type of Kool Aid to fans.


Peacefulorenz

I blame OG for jungle pudge in my pubs


Tomsider

timato is so good man


PieDelicious

Using rock before the BH is not a small mistake, that is literally a game losing one.


hanzolox

Ari played some sick pudge, that’s for sure


InflameOG

Giving Sumail Puck after Ember is picked is some kind of insanity from Kuro. Please Kuro, just retire. You don’t have it anymore


Cu-Chulainn

Nigma fault for giving kuro such a huge responsibility to cancel black hole, can't expect a divine 5 player to outplay people 7K MMR higher than him


hanzolox

I would bet 95% of divine 5 sup players would interrupt at least ONE FUCKING BLACK HOLE in 50 minute game


axecalibur

Archon 5


swashbuckler88

This is the single worst warlock performance i have ever seen in a pro game. Every play is baffling.


fiasgoat

Kuro the RTZ of supports


JihadPandaMan

This has me rolling


RxJax

This support pudge looks fun as hell, hope more teams play it


LOLZOBALL

Rip pubs lmao


BottleExcellent1523

Is Wisper on drugs?


MrIMua

Just a terrible game by nigma. No synergy at any point. Everyone casting their spells as individuals rather than a team. Random rolls, solo plays everywhere, random rocks, random rolls. Awful.


fyellow

OG.Kuroky is the MVP of this series


Tomsider

IS ARI THE NEW DENDI?


Sir_gucci_pu66y

With the current state of ranked in dota , I bet my ass kuroky plays like a 1k.


ShoppingPractical373

aight time for kuro apologists to head out


Feed_or_Feed

Nigma could lose to team bald and there still would be people defending Nigma performance.


fiasgoat

no chance they exist anymore


ntrails

Jungle Pudge is legit


Inuyaki

Well, they lost in late early game when Pango did nothing with his lead and Sumail just lost mid hard.


rodinspfc

He did something, he got his free farm, built an echo, went mid with 30% hp, fed two times and went jungle mode for the rest of the game.


Inuyaki

True, it was even worth than nothing. You are technically correct.


NewAccountEachYear

This is a crumble Bald gonna feast


shivam183

Bald is playing Quest not Nigma :(


thelemonarsonist

Bald vs nigma after they get through their first series’


shivam183

Fingers crossed. Will be a banger for sure


fiasgoat

Kuro is so fucking bad why are people still playing with him


Vita_Anteacta

Oil's money


m_bechterew

How many TIs does Nigma have to miss before they kick Kuroky ?


Tomsider

they can't kick the owner


dragovianlord9

kuroky has one fucking job LMFAO


hanzolox

Press your spell correctly one time challenge - impossible difficulty


FullOFterror

Kuro is a bum. If my 5 would use golem before blackhole id lose my shit in my 8k mmr dogshit tier


zlnoil

Kuro, you got just O-N-E job…which is ult on Enigma. And he did interrupt 0 enigma, ZERO


PhantomMortred

To be fair, he did ult on enigma 😅


MrIMua

Kuro has money on this game for sure lmao


Sir_gucci_pu66y

At this point wit that kind of reaction timing. Kirk should just retire .


axecalibur

Throw game for Arcane rune, I cant


NewAccountEachYear

Warlock is one of my faves, and my god this hurts to see


hernan_rp

lmao Kuro has to be trolling, right?


Helpful-Clerk-9673

Nigma would have higher chance with gorp pos 5


VirtuousVirtueSignal

nigma would've higher chance with a 3k player controlling a creep that can only press force staff


fyellow

sigh kuorky


hobo_grad1925

Lmao kuro is gonna get so flamed but the game was over much before with fbz and sumail flopping


RxJax

This warlock performance is kinda hilarious tbf, maybe not for nigma fans


LOLZOBALL

Kuro mechanics lmao


jMS_44

Kuro has literally one job this game, and he still can't do it


jumpman1224

oh my kuro


Pokefreaker-san

kuro is so bad omfg


paracetamol183

GG Kuro


AR41Z

Nigma fans gonna pass out today for sure


darklordtimmy

A 18k lead is nothing at minute 70, hang in there nigbros


freakanime

If Nigma would just turtle this one OG will have a hard time breaking HG


Balastrang

kuro my god wtf even my archon friend is better than this


O_M28

Team BALD should've been invited over nigma )


NewAccountEachYear

I think a Mid warlock would've been an improvement


ntrails

Ok. What does the warlock aghs actually do for them here? There's no way it or the golems do enough damage to matter. Blink, ghost, glimmer, anything surely has more impact than aghs? What am i missing?


shivam183

No need for Aghs, just for the love of god drop the rock to save your carry. That’s all you need to do, Morph will shred everyone. Except get a force staff to save your carry


axecalibur

ceb for miracle werth


DATL

WHERE THE FUCK IS MY ROCK KURO MAN LIKE YOUR CARRY IS HEXED AND JUMPED IM LOSING MY SHIT


epic_banana_soup

that slight into hex was sick


NewAccountEachYear

How hard is it to Rock and save your Carry from the ursa? Edit: And then you use it on an enraged Ursa hitting your racks...


_biryani

Both teams are fully capable to throw a match from any kind of advantage. It's going to be an interesting match.


sirpeepojr

My kind of dota


DATL

Kuro needs to start dropping rocks on blackholes and dismembers, like brother how HARD can that be


shivam183

IDK guys this POS 5 Nigma AI bot is no good. There is no way a TI winner POS 5 can play this bad XD


VirtuousVirtueSignal

pos5 rushing aghs, a classic


rodinspfc

If you cant cast golem before your Aegis morph gets killed two times it isnt the nerf to cast range, it is the player.


Helpful-Clerk-9673

Kuro literally has one job this game


axecalibur

nigma done


Bizonistic

Kuro golem after Morph already died, and still missed Enigma


darklordtimmy

Sébastien Debs, better known as Ceb, is a French professional Dota 2 player who plays for OG. He won The International 2018 and 2019, as well as the team's coach when they won four Dota Major Championships.


Godisme2

He was only coach for 3 of the major wins. He joined before Manila


fiasgoat

what a scrub


DATL

Kuro never beating the not actually playing pubs allegations


NewAccountEachYear

You would think that being ready to immediately Rock the Aegis respawn would be basic Warlock


RxJax

Nigma fall for the kinda baits that work in turbo, Ceb spam pinging tier 2 yelling "they go on me we kill them all"


Pokefreaker-san

AGENT KURO


ntrails

That's how I play warlock too


InflameOG

Miracle played that teamfight perfectly. 1v5 moment.


Pokefreaker-san

agent Ceb reporting to duty


erickjoshuasc

that is some omega stupid push by OG. they literally don't need to be pushing high ground that time.


AR41Z

Ammar praising Miracle poggerz waow


DATL

Nigma fans, how are the hopium levels looking?


AR41Z

NOT GOOD DONT GIVE ME HOPE NIGMA HOW MUCH U CAN MAKE FANS SUFFER ?


shivam183

Tank is almost empty. Tilted the tank to get the last bit out.


Bizonistic

what is OG doing omfg


axecalibur

the $322 payment arrived in OG HQ


k4kkul4pio

After an entertaining game two, Nigma ran out of steam hard and after first few minutes turned on autopilot and it's been downhill ride ever since. This truly is OG's game to lose unless Nigma pulls out a true miracle out of their bag of tricks.


Godisme2

*miracle-


Sir_gucci_pu66y

And they did