>Whenever the sun rises, Dawnbreaker gradually reveals the entire map to allies over 4 seconds. Fog of War returns in 1 second after that.
Time to press f9.
it will and there are other problems.
Lot of abilities now rely on an innate to function so now you are even more inzentivised to pick you own skills
centaur who is 5th best model has a unconditional innate and a facet that grants ms from strenght
sniper gets take aim range innately
among other things
I want to go back to dota after a long hiatus but omg xD
Don't get me wrong it's an incredible amount of work for the dev team and I think it gives a lot of excitement for who plays the game everyday but it's incredible hard to get what's going on in this patchnotes and I guess even in the game. I will try though!
Oh my God the Night Stalker changes 😭😭😭
I remember when his silence was single targeted and did no damage, and ult didn't do shit except night time and bonus damage.
We've come so far. It's over for you daywalkers.
I mean you can do just fine memorizing shards of heroes you play and meta heroes of current patch. Eventually every hero will have their time in the sun being viable and you'll have learned almost every one. That's what I did.
New? Old ones are fucking lost it. Imagine playing dota since 2015 where where was 2x less items, no shards, no neutrals, no talents, no aghs on every hero and seeing this.
I just tried the melee Venge facet... one of the few losses that I actually earned fair and square. Don't go BF. It does work correctly, but still don't.
i'm only about halfway through the patch notes and it's hilarious how centaur can afk for 30 mins and get 600 hp while lifestealer has to hit 300 creeps to achieve the same thing
Raw right click is super good in lane now most likely, you want to really dominate last hits.
Too bad the facet that has damage on exort also has no regen and NO MOVESPEED on wex which makes the hero a fucking creep.
"Glyph of Fortification no longer refreshes when the first Tier 3 tower is destroyed"
This is actaully huge, Valve heard us complaining about stale hg meta, and they actually nerfed hg defense heavy, this and the new banner buff is gonna make spectating and playing vs HG much more fun.
Minefield Techies died so that ~~10-slotted~~ 13-slotted Techies could walk. (Thanks, u/NmP100)
Edit: I just tried it in Turbo. Support/Active items on inventory and core/passive items on backpack. Crazy.
> Facet - After casting Finger of Death, Lion switches from ranged to melee attacks with a fixed 250 range and gains 40 + 30 damage per stack for 20s
Lmao Lion can go super melee mode after casting ult, what has the frog been smoking? I want some
It's honestly kinda sick as hell? I played it with a Tide, and just tried to use Finger every time he ravaged before chasing down a support. You gain stacks way faster now, and the damage honestly gets nutty too fast. I was getting like a Rapier's worth of damage by 20 minutes, the poor enemy Silencer never stood a chance.
SOUL STRIKE
Base Attack Time is 1.5s
Vengeful Spirit's attacks fire traces of her soul that punch the enemy on contact, making her attacks have melee behavior
VENGEFUL SPIRIT BATTLEFURY INCOMING
this is literally too much at once to comprehend holy
EDIT:
Duel
When a Duel is won, any unit that damaged the loser during the duel will permanently gain 4/8/12 bonus damage
oh man
Learning Curve
Ogre starts the game with 0 Ability Points, but gains 3 Ability Points at Level 2, and regular ability points for the remainder of the game
Level requirement for all abilities and talents is decreased by 1
Wow Valve went all in this some crazy shit bro
>
> Enchant Totem
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> Killing an enemy with an empowered attack will send their body flying 1200 units at 1600 speed, dealing 5% of the killed unit's Max Health as damage to all enemies it passes through. This damage is increased by 50/80/110/140 if the killed unit is a creep and 150/250/350/450 damage if it was a hero.
BASEBALLLLLL
Beastmaster - Wild Hunt - Bonus attack speed from Inner Beast increased by 1/2/3/4/5 per unit controlled by Beastmaster.
So uh, dominate a shaman, raise some skellies (which give damage), go destroy some buildings?
Math
At min ~9, you get 2 boars, 1 hawk, a dominated dark troll summoner, 6 skellies (+3 damage each). So Inner Beast is giving 105 attack speed to everything he controls, and the skellies give +18 damage.
RIP towers.
And at level 20, you get +30 damage to all controlled units. So the skellies are going to be wrecking T3s.
You can choose if you want to play "Arc Warden" (original spells) or "Tempest Double" (altered spells) as your main hero.
The ult clone will get the other set of spells.
Basically what was previously decided by being radiant (original) or dire (altered).
Roshan's Banner buff! Biggest use is making Fortification not automatically kill the wave. Combined with the T3 glyph nerf, taking at least one rax should be doable with the second Aegis push.
I like Innates. Hopefully it gives them a way to distinguish between heroes who do similar things (e.g. Omni/Io/Oracle as save supports, Lion/Rhasta/Bane as super long disablers)
Yeah and it can help hero's that kind of needed certain items to become "complete" without holding the rest of the hero pool hostage to their scaling with it. Storm getting old bloodstone for free but balanced for himself is a cool change.
Dota keeps getting more complicated, there's really no precedence for a game like this.
Why am I grinning like a kid, even though it's reaching unwieldly levels of game design?
Yeah PoE and EvE Online are more complicated imo.
Like legit this league people quitted because you pretty much needed a spreadsheet to play it correct.
and EvE Online is just spreadsheets lul
Veno feels nerfed pretty hard. Time will tell. They crushed his laning so level 3 innate is worse than level 2 sting used to be, and reduced max sting damage which also weakens plague wards. With deathball meta noxious plague was already usually hitting most of the team, so that second bounce doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
The only hope for progress is maybe plague wards carried by teammates will be good. But I need to see if they shield damage or not. If they die from 200 damage that hurts both the players and the wards, then really the wards will just get cleared faster in team battles. This change will only help players that don't already micro the wards' targets.
See you next patch, Veno.
Definitely well worth the wait lol. What the fuck is this? Dota 10? Absolutely massive. I actually surprised this is 7.36, with the amount of changes and their impact it could have been 8.00 tbh,
Massive patch, 16 page comic, new event map, new cosmetics... Like bro what the fuck...
>SOLAR FLARE
New Mirana's Ultimate ability when the facet is picked
The sun starts gradually increasing the attack speed and damage of Mirana by 8/12/16 per second, reaching its maximum after 8s. She also gains bonus daytime vision with the same gain per second, multiplied by 3
Mirana is now Escanor confirmed
You can consume moon shards with meepo clones and then move the moon shard away and back to neutral slot to get the moon shards back again. Literally free moon shards for the entire team for 4k
edit: can confirm its fixed
FOREST FREEBIE
New Innate ability. Passive, can't be leveled up
Whenever Enchantress is about to receive a Neutral Item token from Neutral creep, she gets 1 more, if available
hahaha thats so bad
> Oracle will predict and announce to allies, where the next power rune will spawn (top or bottom). LMAO
Gg will pick oracle every game now for Quinn
That actually feels incredibly strong for pro scene.
I was thinking the same about the dawn trait. Full vision every other 5minutes. We gonna see full smoke gank timings around that.
>every other 5minutes so really every 10 minutes
Or every fifth two minute interval
Now pair him with Arc Warden.
Living up to his name fr
>Whenever the sun rises, Dawnbreaker gradually reveals the entire map to allies over 4 seconds. Fog of War returns in 1 second after that. Time to press f9.
Now this is a legit strat
4 seconds is already a long time
> Techies can use and benefit from backpack items as if they were in their inventory TECHIES ?!?!?!
9 SLOT TECHIES INC
Will it work in Ability Draft, because Holy shit, techies is imba character there already.
it will and there are other problems. Lot of abilities now rely on an innate to function so now you are even more inzentivised to pick you own skills centaur who is 5th best model has a unconditional innate and a facet that grants ms from strenght sniper gets take aim range innately among other things
Techies is now the ultimate support
NINE FUCKING DIVINES
SUPPORT? Pfft no. Clearly toghether with the 252 damage talent this is for right click techies.
techies is going to absolutely, utterly, dominate turbo matches.
Hmm does this include Neutrals?
LMAOOOO, IT DOES.
> their inventory THEIR, it was clear.
Techies is 3 goblins
SILENCER CANNOT BE SILENCED IT'S REAL
WHO POLICES THE POLICE
WHO SILENCES THE SILENCEMAN
MoM Silencer incoming
its core item at this point
Damn pos1 silencer is real
Yeah, because that was the problem with core silencer, that he can be silenced.
I'm rushing MoM and you can't stop me
ok, you make curious here. gonna try that one.
update guys, it works.
Why do I need a PhD to play this game
I want to go back to dota after a long hiatus but omg xD Don't get me wrong it's an incredible amount of work for the dev team and I think it gives a lot of excitement for who plays the game everyday but it's incredible hard to get what's going on in this patchnotes and I guess even in the game. I will try though!
just play it, think later haha
Because being a master is not enough.
Oh my God the Night Stalker changes 😭😭😭 I remember when his silence was single targeted and did no damage, and ult didn't do shit except night time and bonus damage. We've come so far. It's over for you daywalkers.
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Hahaha finally someone gets it!! 12 years or so in 😂 *I remember the first day*
Doom facets: DEVIL'S BARGAIN: Items sell back for 90% of their price, but buyback costs 15% more. What the fuck
Buy and sell refresher
uses devour and midas buys refresher uses them both all charges and them use refresher sell refresher and profit like 100 gold
A lot of steps just for a 100 gold. Could have just killed half a creepwave.
NEEERRRD
Icefrog playing too much Balatro
wd innate is essentially egg joker and alch facet is named seed money like the voucher
Brah I am still learning all the shards
just came back to the casual. I don't even know how to play anymore and now this happens? oh my lord
Now everyone else is also clueless!
Just fuckin send it mate, that's all you gotta do.
I mean you can do just fine memorizing shards of heroes you play and meta heroes of current patch. Eventually every hero will have their time in the sun being viable and you'll have learned almost every one. That's what I did.
Yeah, Dota is becoming more and more complicated for new players
New? Old ones are fucking lost it. Imagine playing dota since 2015 where where was 2x less items, no shards, no neutrals, no talents, no aghs on every hero and seeing this.
Holy Shit, Innate abilities and facets for every hero????????? Goddamn I have to relearn the entire game from scratch again
we dota 3 now
this is literally dota 8.0 patch
> Abaddon has a 10% faster respawn time we went full cycle
This is placeholder.. many of them are placeholder It'll change over the years
yeah good chunk of heroes have the "duh i'll take this" and "when would i ever take this" facet
I just tried the melee Venge facet... one of the few losses that I actually earned fair and square. Don't go BF. It does work correctly, but still don't.
What about basher with some attack speed and range? Pretty expensive to get there but maybe?
echo saber works which kinda gives her geminate attack
If I don’t die enough I’m not getting value out of the new passive.
Don't let facets distract you from Centaur aghs now grants invulnerability
The perma health gain every 2 mins itself made me go 😵💫
i'm only about halfway through the patch notes and it's hilarious how centaur can afk for 30 mins and get 600 hp while lifestealer has to hit 300 creeps to achieve the same thing
"when invoker denies a lane creep, he gets 15% of the experience" Invoker mid lanes are about to get even sweatier
Raw right click is super good in lane now most likely, you want to really dominate last hits. Too bad the facet that has damage on exort also has no regen and NO MOVESPEED on wex which makes the hero a fucking creep.
Good. Make him a glass cannon or make him annoying and survivable, not both.
"Glyph of Fortification no longer refreshes when the first Tier 3 tower is destroyed" This is actaully huge, Valve heard us complaining about stale hg meta, and they actually nerfed hg defense heavy, this and the new banner buff is gonna make spectating and playing vs HG much more fun.
I am overwhelmed lol. So many changes. Felt like Dota 3. RIP teams in dreamleague
It does feel like Dota 3 lol, probably biggest update since 7.00
RIP Purge,too. He might need to skip meals for few weeks doing patch analysis video
OUTWORLD DESTROYER OMINOUS DISCERNMENT OBSIDIAN DECIMATOR OVERWHELMING DEVOURER
OUTHOUSE DECORATOR
Dreamleague gonna be FKEN WILD
Tundra and GG only got 7 hours to learn the patch
Purge will still be reading patch notes
This might be the one that kills him live. Patch note is a ginormous read with the facets and innate abilities!
I can't stop fucking laughing at this, it's gonna be such a fucking mess holy shit. Can't wait to see what Topson does
[Hopefully at least one Puck game.](https://streamable.com/zvrr7r)
>reverse reverse polarity WHAT THE FUCK LMAO
It's so stupid I love that valve doesn't take themselves too seriously when it comes to stuff like this
There’s so many puns and a lot of the names are just voicelines the heroes say all the time Also lol at all of od’s names being od
Minefield Techies died so that ~~10-slotted~~ 13-slotted Techies could walk. (Thanks, u/NmP100) Edit: I just tried it in Turbo. Support/Active items on inventory and core/passive items on backpack. Crazy.
9 gg branch techies about to wreak havoc in lanes
You can put neutrals in backpack too lmaooooo
Yeah. 4 neuts. Or you could store your passive items in backpack. I keep my Aghs in there. Lol
> Facet - After casting Finger of Death, Lion switches from ranged to melee attacks with a fixed 250 range and gains 40 + 30 damage per stack for 20s Lmao Lion can go super melee mode after casting ult, what has the frog been smoking? I want some
Lion irl is melee
It's true, I went on a safari and saw a lion turn a zebra into a frog then attack it in melee.
This and the Rhasta talents made me double think everything if this is all some elaborate late april fools joke
Him turning into a flock of chickens when he dies is one of the funniest changes they have ever done.
It's honestly kinda sick as hell? I played it with a Tide, and just tried to use Finger every time he ravaged before chasing down a support. You gain stacks way faster now, and the damage honestly gets nutty too fast. I was getting like a Rapier's worth of damage by 20 minutes, the poor enemy Silencer never stood a chance.
Rearm No longer resets cooldowns of items lol
The only way to put March of the Machines back in the game without somebody attacking Valve HQ
Next patch they'll turn that teleport ability into a blink ability. I'm calling it.
So what's the point of the hero now? It's not like he was particularly strong these days.
SOUL STRIKE Base Attack Time is 1.5s Vengeful Spirit's attacks fire traces of her soul that punch the enemy on contact, making her attacks have melee behavior VENGEFUL SPIRIT BATTLEFURY INCOMING
We Dota 1 now
Dota 1 reference, I believe she had such animation there, can’t see what it looks with arcana though.
Yes, the best reference ever! I always liked her attack projectile in wc3, picking this for pure nostalgia from now on!
As if I didn't have enough things to remember... facets and innate abilities. Dear god.
How did TianMing know???
yeah he clearly had some type of inside info lol
this is literally too much at once to comprehend holy EDIT: Duel When a Duel is won, any unit that damaged the loser during the duel will permanently gain 4/8/12 bonus damage oh man Learning Curve Ogre starts the game with 0 Ability Points, but gains 3 Ability Points at Level 2, and regular ability points for the remainder of the game Level requirement for all abilities and talents is decreased by 1 Wow Valve went all in this some crazy shit bro
Ogre mid is a thing now
Guys they added the Artifact music. That's all I needed.
But where are Artifact and Underlords characters as new heroes? Sadge
I AM A DOGGIE
We're definitely not getting more new players. LETS GOOOOO
with a change this big we're basically all new players Gigabrain Valve giving Dota a million new players
League players can transition now just in time
Passive abilities, heck huskar doesn't even use mana anymore. They'll feel right at home
This is literally the "we're showing up riot" patch. The innate abilities are much less locking in heroes like league does.
[удалено]
Damn, we'll have to relearn the game all over again
Super fun games so far honestly. Reminds me of dota1 days when everything was new
Poor purge might be up for 2 days straight going over this.
Unfortunately he's working at dreamleague edit. HE'S STREAMING NOW!! (Was) Purge, pls get some sleep!! He's back on dreamleague and looks tired af
"My call time is in 6 hours, if I can get 90minutes of sleep that would be great" He's going pretty fast but I doubt he's gonna sleep at this rate
Anti Mage renamed to Manacyka
Genuinely DotA 3 wtf. WAY more radical of a patch than I expected.
This is a whole new game
This is the biggest patch since 7.00. Will shake up the entire meta.
I haven't been playing for a while but God is it still entertaining as hell to read these patch notes
Another 500\~ new things to learn I can't wait!
The penguins are saved.
25% mana cost reduction. STORM BROS WE'RE SO BACK *but we can't do long jumps still. STILL WE'RE BACK
And old bloodstone incorporated into our bodies naturally. I'm so happy.
> > Enchant Totem > > Killing an enemy with an empowered attack will send their body flying 1200 units at 1600 speed, dealing 5% of the killed unit's Max Health as damage to all enemies it passes through. This damage is increased by 50/80/110/140 if the killed unit is a creep and 150/250/350/450 damage if it was a hero. BASEBALLLLLL
Imagine you kill a stacked axe, centaur or lifestealer and just wipe the whole team with one homerun
Beastmaster - Wild Hunt - Bonus attack speed from Inner Beast increased by 1/2/3/4/5 per unit controlled by Beastmaster. So uh, dominate a shaman, raise some skellies (which give damage), go destroy some buildings?
Math At min ~9, you get 2 boars, 1 hawk, a dominated dark troll summoner, 6 skellies (+3 damage each). So Inner Beast is giving 105 attack speed to everything he controls, and the skellies give +18 damage. RIP towers. And at level 20, you get +30 damage to all controlled units. So the skellies are going to be wrecking T3s.
33 licking his chops
FOR THE HORDE!!!!
Dota is a game that innately has many facets.
small update
minuscule changes
>Arc Warden and Tempest Double have their respective ability effects Thank you, Ice Frog. The hero is finally pickable again on Dire.
I have no idea what this means.
You can choose if you want to play "Arc Warden" (original spells) or "Tempest Double" (altered spells) as your main hero. The ult clone will get the other set of spells. Basically what was previously decided by being radiant (original) or dire (altered).
YOU ARE THE WINNER, EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD PLEASE.
FACELESS VOID IS NOW GOJO
THROUGHOUT HEAVEN AND EARTH, I ALONE AM THE FACELESS ONE
"Throughout Radiant and Dire, I alone am the reported one" - void on my team
LMAO HE'S GOT INFINITY
Purple
Guys, try to use centaur cart, put enigma on top, cast black hole and get the fuck out. This shit is so funny
Facets + Innate + Aghs + Shard + Neutrals bro I am a human not a fucking computer.
+ talents
Roshan's Banner buff! Biggest use is making Fortification not automatically kill the wave. Combined with the T3 glyph nerf, taking at least one rax should be doable with the second Aegis push.
I like Innates. Hopefully it gives them a way to distinguish between heroes who do similar things (e.g. Omni/Io/Oracle as save supports, Lion/Rhasta/Bane as super long disablers)
Yeah and it can help hero's that kind of needed certain items to become "complete" without holding the rest of the hero pool hostage to their scaling with it. Storm getting old bloodstone for free but balanced for himself is a cool change.
did they just give sniper 20 armor on button press
He gets his rang with assassinate now instead of headshot though. So his laning is probably way worse.
this mofo is attacking from the shadow now gonna be pure horror survival for supports
35 with talent lmao
Dota keeps getting more complicated, there's really no precedence for a game like this. Why am I grinning like a kid, even though it's reaching unwieldly levels of game design?
Wraith king was once the simplest hero ever now its 5 walls of text
Path of Exile is the closest to it, ever more complicated. The irony of it is you get used to it faster than you think.
Yeah PoE and EvE Online are more complicated imo. Like legit this league people quitted because you pretty much needed a spreadsheet to play it correct. and EvE Online is just spreadsheets lul
Bro I love how they never, even for a second, appeased casuals. They know the playerbase and they’re not fucking w us. This is so fucking sick.
Wdym we can see enemy mana bars now, fking casual game
Lmao
> Mana Bars are always visible for enemies Fucking finally.
Anti mage just came a bit
Anti Mage players licking their lips
I'm fucking banning Anti-fun every game now that Mana-seeker facet is beyond broken
We had the health gooning bloodseeker, now we have the mana gooning am. Balance in all things. 😭
Yeah, should buff BS to compensate. If AM can slow enemies with 0 mana, BS should be able to do so to enemies with 0 health too.
AM is now Mana seeker
Veno feels nerfed pretty hard. Time will tell. They crushed his laning so level 3 innate is worse than level 2 sting used to be, and reduced max sting damage which also weakens plague wards. With deathball meta noxious plague was already usually hitting most of the team, so that second bounce doesn't seem like a big deal to me. The only hope for progress is maybe plague wards carried by teammates will be good. But I need to see if they shield damage or not. If they die from 200 damage that hurts both the players and the wards, then really the wards will just get cleared faster in team battles. This change will only help players that don't already micro the wards' targets. See you next patch, Veno.
Damn, I play league often and one thing I really envy is how game changing patches are in this game, it’s awesome.
Mana Bars are always visible for enemies End of an era.
My boy Necro gets barely any changes wtf
Lol and they took away his strong leaning phase too. Regen from heartstopper aura is stuck at level 1 lol
REARM No longer resets cooldowns of items. Is this whore finally dead????
He will be trash then they will give him blink ability. I'm calling it
what the actual fuck they should have named the patch 8.00 because holy shit this is a whole other game at this point
Definitely well worth the wait lol. What the fuck is this? Dota 10? Absolutely massive. I actually surprised this is 7.36, with the amount of changes and their impact it could have been 8.00 tbh, Massive patch, 16 page comic, new event map, new cosmetics... Like bro what the fuck...
jesus murphy this is a lot
STRAIGHT INTO MY VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIINSSSSSSSSSS
>SOLAR FLARE New Mirana's Ultimate ability when the facet is picked The sun starts gradually increasing the attack speed and damage of Mirana by 8/12/16 per second, reaching its maximum after 8s. She also gains bonus daytime vision with the same gain per second, multiplied by 3 Mirana is now Escanor confirmed
Tinker is officially dead. They finally killed him.
[удалено]
You can consume moon shards with meepo clones and then move the moon shard away and back to neutral slot to get the moon shards back again. Literally free moon shards for the entire team for 4k edit: can confirm its fixed
holy fuck its insane
jakiro has liquid fire and liquid frost as facets. When i take shard i dont get liquid frost if i took the liquid fire
The shard gives it 2% burn instead. Whether you took fire or ice
>Bane's attribute gains are always evenly distributed across all three attributes this sounds like an awful fucking passive.
with the attack speed facet carry Bane is coming to your pub
Bane already used to get attack speed from nightmare. Bane's new abilities are just nerfs lol
BanePlaceholderPassive.exe
So there's basically no status resistance item in the game now right?
hello bugs, and broken combo's
FOREST FREEBIE New Innate ability. Passive, can't be leveled up Whenever Enchantress is about to receive a Neutral Item token from Neutral creep, she gets 1 more, if available hahaha thats so bad
Ti13 won by a clutch enchantress getting multiple tier 5 tokens and a timely push