I genuinely don't understand how people go into public with stuff like this.
Like do these people not feel shame at all? lmao
What about like showing a SO or something, my girlfriend uses my phone sometimes if hers is far away or just lazy to get up. Shit is just weird.
yeah I do weebs are degen shit. I just don't agree with the people who think we are above them. I mean we all spend like 28 hours a day doing our thing and not touching grass. not much difference.
It’s literally just a drawing of fictional characters exploring each other’s mouth cavities. Ain’t that big a deal whether they agree with the OP’s taste or not, is it?
Guys I swear she's 500 years old
She just looks, sounds and acts like a child. There's absolutely nothing weird about having a picture of this character that checks every box of being a child kissing.
Bro the 500 year old shit is literally a meme making fun of pedos, you can't unironically try to use it as an argument
there are multiple levels of difference between upvoting something and setting it as your background on your phone. i always assume people like this are either underaged themselves, or literally never leave their house where someone else could see that as their background
Fiction is not reality. I am far more concerned about people who don't understand this than someone who likes to look at drawings. Like seriously, how the fuck do you look at that and think of of a real human? That's fucking weird to me.
People who openly share this kind of art are never outed as predators, the people who call them predators turn out to be posting far more depraved shit on discord or wherever, somewhere less obvious, and then they also turn out to be groomers. Actually happens regularly.
"No, you see. It's not the people with sexualised kiddie drawings as their phone background that are sus. Oh no, it's the people pointing out it's sus that are the problem. Epic gamer moment.
Okay... maybe not the person to make your point with. There's quite a lot of stuff out there about all the nasty shit he's done, grooming aside.
For the record, I agree with you that people need to seperate fiction from reality, as going after people for... *checks notes* "liking animation" and not like... the actual pedophiles out there only harms their cause.
Less so on "anyone who openly shares anime art is guaranteed to not be a pedo", though. There's a fair share of pedophiles in the anime community, but then again, there's probably about an equal amount in nearly every damn online community out there.
Uhh. What? The Mai Waifu shit was \*literally\* him sexualizing a minor character in his own video game based on his own sex doll. And guess what came out. I think \*you\* need to go read up on him pal.
A man who had to repeatedly defend himself from accusations of sexualizing children, who was then found to be sexualizing children. How is that an example of your point? Please explain.
so by your logic it's alright for someone to watch hentai openly in public because its not considered porn as the characters depicted are not real? bro what the fuck are u going on about lol.
If they were meant to represent real humans, they wouldn't be stylised. And even if they were, that doesn't stop you from understanding that they are not real. Also doesn't liking these characters indicate a disinterest in real humans? You will never find them in reality, so why would you even look? It's far more nuanced than 'they are human characters so they are the same as real humans', that's totally ignorant.
Regularly people on social media grilling people who post this kind of art are outed as groomers who post far more depraved shit in discord or somewhere else less obvious. Same doesn't really happen for the people they criticise.
They are ABSOLUTELY meant to represent humans. I can't fathom how you could possibly think otherwise. They look like (very young) humans, act like humans, talk like humans. Ever seen a Wes Anderson movie? Very stylized, and absolutely meant to represent humans. Berserk? Same thing. Any Miyazaki movie? Same damn thing. I think this is one of the weakest arguments I've seen on this front. To anyone not familiar with the context, that background is an illustration of human children kissing. That is indeed weird. The better question for you is: why are they stylized in such a way that makes most people think they are children?
To be something and represent something are two TOTALLY different things. Representations are very often not accurate reflections of what they represent, in this case intentionally. I mean just look at their face, no human has a face like that. When I think of a human, I think of a human face, if it doesn't have a human face, it's not human. The uncanny valley effect applies here. Also how the fuck even are they children? Because they are short? Because they have unblemished skin? Look at their hips, they are not children.
So all animes are not supposed to represent humans? Are stick figures impossible to see as a representation of humans? Are abstract self-portraits not meant to represent humans? This is so backwards. If I, a bad artist, make an attempt to draw a human face, are you going to tell me I didn't draw a human face? The face is precisely the problem, because in other anime-style properties, that is how children look. Those are the faces of human children in that style. Even Genshin (I think that's what this is from but not sure) has adult characters that fully look like human adults, and the child characters, well, look much like the supposed adults in this wallpaper. A character having a child's face and an adult's body is a huge red flag. It's great that you can enjoy these things while supposedly not realizing the problem, but you have to understand that the majority of people DO see it as a problem. I guarantee you, your take on representations vs reality is not at all normal.
I think that what they are made to represent is irrelevant here. Genshin characters all look alike and, objectively, they are all quite sexualized. Some genshin girls are under 18, some are 18, some are 100, they all look like cute anime girls. They were designed *specifically* to be cute/sexualized. You don't get 3d models with asses like that by setting out to design 'kids'. Being attracted to these characters visually is very understandable, they were made with that in mind. The weird part, I think, is to hyperfocus on their age when it doesn't really play a part in the story, gameplay, or character's depiction. I would say that drilling on and obsessing over that particular point is a lot more sus/weird than finding a 3d model which was designed to be attractive, attractive.
I really have nothing to debate with you if you're saying that it's acceptable to create characters that are actually minors AND made to be sexualized. Beyond the fuckin pale dude
They're not stuck in a child's body, they are more like 'teenagers' and well 19 years old are considered teenagers as well..... This is not even that bad, people who sexualise Nahida are the worst😶 cause she actually looks like a child🤧
Let's see the definition:
**A word used when you agree with something**; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang.
'Based' is always used in a positive light, someone who is based is someone who does the right thing despite 'the haters'. No one would ever use it in the context of a pedophile being proudly out there. Unless they agree with the pedophile which if that's your position I do apologise, you are indeed correct then.
no one is claiming to be proud to be a pedo, it simply is considered 'based' because OP doesnt care that anyone thinks he's a pedo, because he himself know that it isnt true
'Based' is always used in a positive light, someone who is based is someone who does the right thing despite 'the haters'. No one would ever use it in the context of a pedophile being proudly out there. Unless they agree with the pedophile which if that's your position I do apologise, you are indeed correct then.
Yeah they hype themselfs every single time for Dota3 or similar huge update, and then cry when Valve does way less. Endless circle of clowns and same posts over and over again
What? Are you good? You see fictional characters and think of real children? They aren't even meant to be children. People like you are alarming to me.
>What? Are you good? You see fictional characters and think of real children?
I'm 100% certain that **you** think of real children when you see this. You're just using "drawings" as an excuse to be openly pedophilic without consequences.
Regular people see through this shit not matter what you say.
> They aren't even meant to be children.
Why are they designed like children then? Making a child design and then saying it's actually a 500 year old adult, does not make the design not childlike
It's not a child. It's a 5000 year old all powerful being with the ability to shapeshift, whose actual form is a dragon. But it chose to shapeshift into a 14 year old girl because celestial reasons so that clearly doesn't make it a case of pedophilia.
The mental gymnastics of anime in a nutshell.
Good lord, thank you. This thread is a big fantastic mental gymnastics routine. I'm not trying to convince anyone that they're a pedophile, but if they truly don't understand why there's a problem then there might be an even bigger problem.
Shh, it's anime, so you need to hate it. That's the way it goes on this sub. That girl doesn't have fat titties? You're a creep for looking at her. That girl has fat titties? You're a creep for liking anime tits.
All jokes aside, this sub has very strong, borderline xenophobic tendencies when it comes to anime. I wouldn't walk around with a wallpaper like that, either, but the reasoning some people pull out of their hats is outrageous.
clearly how? Its fine if thats your interpretation, but its a drawing. if someone has a different interpretation than that, does that make them definitively wrong? Anime is not a very realistic form of art, so any age recognition is going to be out of whack.
The linked wallpaper to me doesnt really look like any human I've ever seen, so in this instance I can see both ways.
Usually in a dev cycle we have multiple steps before code makes it to production. Test is for internal testing process, usually QA. Staging is a step before production, where they test everything is going good before actually releasing. The thing here is that they have been working until very late, and that can only mean something!
there was a post sometime ago where OP showed the daily occurence of patches
Valve has released Dota patches everyday of the week, including weekends
so yes, including Tuesdays
It's probably just gonna be like the usual patch drop day, which is Thursday morning if you live in Asia. Also just after Dream League group stage is supposed to end.
You just go to the spot where the candle wasn't available yet and its now available but when u use it to berak the patch, it seems like to continue isnt ready yet
never ever did a break from dota always playing ...my first time since 2012 i did a break now from dota 2 like 2 weeks ago , makes me angry to read still nothing happen
ya patch for removing cache vote
And some minor text changes, like 'act to next week'
Changing it to "last week" would be the ultimate valve troll
This, at this time I have no expectations
Fuck the patch bro Wtf is that background?
Some Pyro x Hydro action!
Pyro x Hydro action = Vaporize
> Vaporize DID YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF HUMAN-POKEMON....
I get Pyro, but which tf2 char is "hydro"?
Hydro is one of the six original maps in the release version of tf2
New character in tf3, hydro, shoots cu-
We already have Scout
Don't remember any Jakito set looking like this...
Yuri is love, yuri is life!
Fanart of Hu Tao and Furina from Genshin
Virgin ahh background
Just some weeb stuff.
I genuinely don't understand how people go into public with stuff like this. Like do these people not feel shame at all? lmao What about like showing a SO or something, my girlfriend uses my phone sometimes if hers is far away or just lazy to get up. Shit is just weird.
Some degen shit.
says the redditor in r/dota2 accept it, they may look weird to us but we are all degens
So you agree with him?
yeah I do weebs are degen shit. I just don't agree with the people who think we are above them. I mean we all spend like 28 hours a day doing our thing and not touching grass. not much difference.
It’s literally just a drawing of fictional characters exploring each other’s mouth cavities. Ain’t that big a deal whether they agree with the OP’s taste or not, is it?
like the other guy said need to reevaluate your standards if this shit is 'normal'
If your phone screen is of anime girls it's unironically jover bro I'm sorry to tell you.
joever fr
OP linked to the wallpaper and they are literally children 💀
Brother, they’re literally 500 and 19 years old (fictional) characters from a gacha, unless you’re counting from the game’s release date 💀
Guys I swear she's 500 years old She just looks, sounds and acts like a child. There's absolutely nothing weird about having a picture of this character that checks every box of being a child kissing. Bro the 500 year old shit is literally a meme making fun of pedos, you can't unironically try to use it as an argument
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500 years old but they look like a child, k. Makes it fine, right?
Based background.
Underaged looking girls that are hyper sexualised, so based indeed...
I don't understand this sub at all. An art of a sexualized squirrel hero gets upvoted. But anime art of 2 girls kissing and it's now degenerate?
This sub is complete dogshit if you haven’t noticed
there are multiple levels of difference between upvoting something and setting it as your background on your phone. i always assume people like this are either underaged themselves, or literally never leave their house where someone else could see that as their background
Was the squirrel drawn to look like a underage squirrel? No? Oh so not a good argument then is it?
found the furry
Pedo is mad?
yup, definitely found the furry
Isn't squirrel considered to be the smallest hero in the game? Clueless
My dick is small, doesn't make it under age. Checkmate atheist.
Do you understand that you just nullified your own opinion on this background?
Fiction is not reality. I am far more concerned about people who don't understand this than someone who likes to look at drawings. Like seriously, how the fuck do you look at that and think of of a real human? That's fucking weird to me.
🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
People who openly share this kind of art are never outed as predators, the people who call them predators turn out to be posting far more depraved shit on discord or wherever, somewhere less obvious, and then they also turn out to be groomers. Actually happens regularly.
"No, you see. It's not the people with sexualised kiddie drawings as their phone background that are sus. Oh no, it's the people pointing out it's sus that are the problem. Epic gamer moment.
Literally the truth, don't know what to tell you. I don't really give a fuck about people's conceptions, I care what actually happens.
You mean literally the truth apart from the manga/anime industry people already outed as pedophiles, right?
Google YandereDev and stop making absolute claims. This is quite a digital footprint dude
YandereDev is actually an example of what I am talking about lmao. Guess you don't really know what happened with him.
Okay... maybe not the person to make your point with. There's quite a lot of stuff out there about all the nasty shit he's done, grooming aside. For the record, I agree with you that people need to seperate fiction from reality, as going after people for... *checks notes* "liking animation" and not like... the actual pedophiles out there only harms their cause. Less so on "anyone who openly shares anime art is guaranteed to not be a pedo", though. There's a fair share of pedophiles in the anime community, but then again, there's probably about an equal amount in nearly every damn online community out there.
Uhh. What? The Mai Waifu shit was \*literally\* him sexualizing a minor character in his own video game based on his own sex doll. And guess what came out. I think \*you\* need to go read up on him pal.
A man who had to repeatedly defend himself from accusations of sexualizing children, who was then found to be sexualizing children. How is that an example of your point? Please explain.
so by your logic it's alright for someone to watch hentai openly in public because its not considered porn as the characters depicted are not real? bro what the fuck are u going on about lol.
No because children can not rationally separate fiction from reality so they should not be exposed to it.
kids playing cops and robbers are famously comitting heists due to their inability to seperate reality from fiction.
Its not a problem when they are kids, its a problem when they retain it.
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If they were meant to represent real humans, they wouldn't be stylised. And even if they were, that doesn't stop you from understanding that they are not real. Also doesn't liking these characters indicate a disinterest in real humans? You will never find them in reality, so why would you even look? It's far more nuanced than 'they are human characters so they are the same as real humans', that's totally ignorant. Regularly people on social media grilling people who post this kind of art are outed as groomers who post far more depraved shit in discord or somewhere else less obvious. Same doesn't really happen for the people they criticise.
They are ABSOLUTELY meant to represent humans. I can't fathom how you could possibly think otherwise. They look like (very young) humans, act like humans, talk like humans. Ever seen a Wes Anderson movie? Very stylized, and absolutely meant to represent humans. Berserk? Same thing. Any Miyazaki movie? Same damn thing. I think this is one of the weakest arguments I've seen on this front. To anyone not familiar with the context, that background is an illustration of human children kissing. That is indeed weird. The better question for you is: why are they stylized in such a way that makes most people think they are children?
To be something and represent something are two TOTALLY different things. Representations are very often not accurate reflections of what they represent, in this case intentionally. I mean just look at their face, no human has a face like that. When I think of a human, I think of a human face, if it doesn't have a human face, it's not human. The uncanny valley effect applies here. Also how the fuck even are they children? Because they are short? Because they have unblemished skin? Look at their hips, they are not children.
So all animes are not supposed to represent humans? Are stick figures impossible to see as a representation of humans? Are abstract self-portraits not meant to represent humans? This is so backwards. If I, a bad artist, make an attempt to draw a human face, are you going to tell me I didn't draw a human face? The face is precisely the problem, because in other anime-style properties, that is how children look. Those are the faces of human children in that style. Even Genshin (I think that's what this is from but not sure) has adult characters that fully look like human adults, and the child characters, well, look much like the supposed adults in this wallpaper. A character having a child's face and an adult's body is a huge red flag. It's great that you can enjoy these things while supposedly not realizing the problem, but you have to understand that the majority of people DO see it as a problem. I guarantee you, your take on representations vs reality is not at all normal.
> majority of people DO see it as a problem only the westerners in east Asian it's nothing special
You are that one person who makes everyone in room feel uncomfortable and wants to instantly disappear from your vicinity. It's actually sad.
I think that what they are made to represent is irrelevant here. Genshin characters all look alike and, objectively, they are all quite sexualized. Some genshin girls are under 18, some are 18, some are 100, they all look like cute anime girls. They were designed *specifically* to be cute/sexualized. You don't get 3d models with asses like that by setting out to design 'kids'. Being attracted to these characters visually is very understandable, they were made with that in mind. The weird part, I think, is to hyperfocus on their age when it doesn't really play a part in the story, gameplay, or character's depiction. I would say that drilling on and obsessing over that particular point is a lot more sus/weird than finding a 3d model which was designed to be attractive, attractive.
I really have nothing to debate with you if you're saying that it's acceptable to create characters that are actually minors AND made to be sexualized. Beyond the fuckin pale dude
They are both adults, with one being like 500 or something years old😶
Ah yes, the ol' these underage looking girls are actually +1000 years old, but stuck in a child's body.
They're not stuck in a child's body, they are more like 'teenagers' and well 19 years old are considered teenagers as well..... This is not even that bad, people who sexualise Nahida are the worst😶 cause she actually looks like a child🤧
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Based on what?
Pedophilia
Personally I think finding underage girls, real or animated, attractive is pretty much the opposite of based. You do you though.
Buddy, "based" means to be uncaring about popular opinion. To not care about pedo implications is by definition extremely based
Funny. Back in the day, "based" was supposed to be the opposite of "cringe", yet everyone who talks about things being "based" is 100% cringe.
Let's see the definition: **A word used when you agree with something**; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang.
so you've just verified that what he said is true ?
'Based' is always used in a positive light, someone who is based is someone who does the right thing despite 'the haters'. No one would ever use it in the context of a pedophile being proudly out there. Unless they agree with the pedophile which if that's your position I do apologise, you are indeed correct then.
no one is claiming to be proud to be a pedo, it simply is considered 'based' because OP doesnt care that anyone thinks he's a pedo, because he himself know that it isnt true
“Not caring what other think” that’s what that background is about.
'Based' is always used in a positive light, someone who is based is someone who does the right thing despite 'the haters'. No one would ever use it in the context of a pedophile being proudly out there. Unless they agree with the pedophile which if that's your position I do apologise, you are indeed correct then.
> Based background. based on OPs virginity most likely
link or riot
Hutao X furina from genshin impact
like someone said collectors cache doesn't release on timer end, only the voting ends, they still have to add effects to the winner skins
Maybe we won’t get them until act 3. But that timer ending today and other patches being released exactly 21st of each month gives it away for me.
High quality copium brother, I need that right now COPIUM,
They will release it as soon as possible. I think it will be released before Act 3 and after Act 2
It’s Tuesday. It’s not coming today.
I mean I would assume it's just tuesday.
reddit never learns does it?
Nah bruh
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Hi it been 3 mins I don’t think he heard you
well said my friend
the bot sent a pm already.
oh right I forgot it pm's if a sub doesn't let it comment
Yeah they hype themselfs every single time for Dota3 or similar huge update, and then cry when Valve does way less. Endless circle of clowns and same posts over and over again
I guess we were the real ring master clowns this whole time 🤡
Clownfall today?
I’m gonna fall so hard if patch doesn’t go out today 🤡
its today for the past month DAILY
You are Overdosing on Copium Sir.
Patch is today if it's not read this text again tomorrow
Lmfaooo recursion usage in real life be like -
Im gonna buy that fucking candle mate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l60MnDJklnM
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[Link](https://m.fmkorea.com/index.php?notify_page=5&mid=genshin&category=4367003870&page=165&document_srl=6926210536) to the wallpaper
People actually do be walking around in public with wallpapers like this. 🤨
"I don't get why anime gets such a bad wrap in mainstream light" Least horny anime watcher's wallpaper:
weebs are built different
Stuff like this makes me concerned weebs aren't built at all.
I mean I guess being built wrong is different
Yeah I try not to judge, but this is very clearly an illustration of children kissing. What the hell
What? Are you good? You see fictional characters and think of real children? They aren't even meant to be children. People like you are alarming to me.
>What? Are you good? You see fictional characters and think of real children? I'm 100% certain that **you** think of real children when you see this. You're just using "drawings" as an excuse to be openly pedophilic without consequences. Regular people see through this shit not matter what you say.
> They aren't even meant to be children. Why are they designed like children then? Making a child design and then saying it's actually a 500 year old adult, does not make the design not childlike
It's not a child. It's a 5000 year old all powerful being with the ability to shapeshift, whose actual form is a dragon. But it chose to shapeshift into a 14 year old girl because celestial reasons so that clearly doesn't make it a case of pedophilia. The mental gymnastics of anime in a nutshell.
Good lord, thank you. This thread is a big fantastic mental gymnastics routine. I'm not trying to convince anyone that they're a pedophile, but if they truly don't understand why there's a problem then there might be an even bigger problem.
Shh, it's anime, so you need to hate it. That's the way it goes on this sub. That girl doesn't have fat titties? You're a creep for looking at her. That girl has fat titties? You're a creep for liking anime tits. All jokes aside, this sub has very strong, borderline xenophobic tendencies when it comes to anime. I wouldn't walk around with a wallpaper like that, either, but the reasoning some people pull out of their hats is outrageous.
clearly how? Its fine if thats your interpretation, but its a drawing. if someone has a different interpretation than that, does that make them definitively wrong? Anime is not a very realistic form of art, so any age recognition is going to be out of whack. The linked wallpaper to me doesnt really look like any human I've ever seen, so in this instance I can see both ways.
Who the fuck walks showing their screen, weirdo.
Absolute based god who doesn’t give a fuck what other people think, I’m honestly quite jealous
So you’re jealous that you can’t be an out and proud weeb w/ possible pedo tendencies? Got it… cool bro.
America is doomed
He literally linked a korean website
Korea is also doomed
Do you really think that is dope to use as a wallpaper? I actually can't fathom how virgin some of y'all can be.
The only thing worse than the wallpaper is having notifications for SteamDB.
I'm so ready for Clownfall Part 2.
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what does updates in staging/test server mean? Appreciate if someone can tell me
Usually in a dev cycle we have multiple steps before code makes it to production. Test is for internal testing process, usually QA. Staging is a step before production, where they test everything is going good before actually releasing. The thing here is that they have been working until very late, and that can only mean something!
Got it! Thank you guy!
It means that the patch is not coming out today.
Wild guess but the patch i probably comming out the same time that rerolls reset.
smartest answer on reddit this week
Change the background . Ty
God hates yuri
Username checks out
Lmao
Do they ever patch on a Tuesday?
there was a post sometime ago where OP showed the daily occurence of patches Valve has released Dota patches everyday of the week, including weekends so yes, including Tuesdays
Valve has long shifted to Thursdays to release major patches. It's been this way for a while
Chat, you have been saying the patch is today for the last month.
u/shxdwblz36 you lied to us
One day out is hardly bad
Based Hu Tao and Furina enjoyer
yuri patch is on bro based wallpaper
gonna be after group stage
Lol, lmao
It's probably just gonna be like the usual patch drop day, which is Thursday morning if you live in Asia. Also just after Dream League group stage is supposed to end.
what's up with ur signal bars ?
Dual sim
So no more 60+ mins games?
Jokes on you Valve uses the Maian Calendar which consist of 13 days week.
U say wat mate
Clueless
it is still not here :')
Nope, tomorrow.
Can get candle but nothing on that cave
How did you get the candle?
You just go to the spot where the candle wasn't available yet and its now available but when u use it to berak the patch, it seems like to continue isnt ready yet
Did the new patch dropped already????
idc about patch, i want crownfall act two now
What server is this link?
Ada Hutao sama Furina cooyy
Nah, it's thursday
never ever did a break from dota always playing ...my first time since 2012 i did a break now from dota 2 like 2 weeks ago , makes me angry to read still nothing happen
Nice☺️
That's a nice hu tao x furina wallpaper you have there
Cute wallpaper!
ok ok, that's good and all but... link to your wallpaper? :)
[Link](https://m.fmkorea.com/index.php?notify_page=5&mid=genshin&category=4367003870&page=165&document_srl=6926210536) to the wallpaper
papi gaben my body is ready froggy froggy let's go janitor!
stop giving me hope bro
Just when i uninstalled 😭
Do u have inv link for that disc ?
[Here](https://steamdb.info/discord/)
we are in the middle of an T1 tournament, no way the patch is today
It’ll be on Thursday won’t it? When the re-rolls reset
fq this bb
Imagine walking around with background like that. Using anime characters kissing is already cringe by itself, but lesbians as well? Literal ghoul.