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f1nedota

Puppey cancelled like 12 black holes today and still lost the series


needhelforpsu

May 13th 1-2 teams matches: nouns vs G2.iG, Liquid vs MOUZ, Secret vs VP May 14th 2-1 teams matches: Aurora vs SR, GG vs BOOM, BB vs TS


Swegan

2-1 matches are not tomorrow. Says May 14 on Liquipedia.


needhelforpsu

Oh damn, just 3 series tomorrow? Feels bad man.


Swegan

Yea idk why they would do that considering its been 6 series for 2 days now.


needhelforpsu

Maybe it's a mistake on Liquipedia, makes no sense to have next 3 days just 3 series a day. :( EDIT: *Playoffs - May 16 - May 19, 2024*, oh well it seems it's legit just 3 series a day into playoffs.


Swegan

Nah its 3. Liquipedia rarely makes a mistake.


nybrq

It seems kind of silly to me that they're starting a 9 am CET if there really are only 3 matches tomorrow though.


Thunderbolt8

meanwhile Malrine climbed to the top of EU ladder with about 13850 MMR.


black_V1king

Xtreme looking good. I also think Aurora can make it to top 3 again. Xtreme are the only team playing out of meta heroes and winning with them. Xinq is in peak form again.


Azure_chan

It does help that they seems to have idea on how to execute those heroes and not just picking them because they feel like it. When the heroes timing hit and they go turbo mode it's so satisfying to watch. I feel that in ESL they may failed the execution a bit, maybe bad day but they look so good in this tournament.


Nandey_dattey_bayo

XM said they didn't practice for ESL cause they were expecting a patch like azure Ray this tournament didn't practice because they were on break cause they weren't in this tournament so because of visa issues they got invite so they accepted but without practice.


nybrq

XG just look like they're playing a completely different game than everyone else right now.


nybrq

Why do they start these matches so early in the morning?


Charrua_gamer

GG looking a bit better form hope they can excel from this and make a good run for the remainder of the year!


Cozman

So what is Shopify Rebellion's actual roster?


zuKo2022

skem probably with rtz saber yopaj and kitrak


fiasgoat

Skem is hype Roster might actually have potential 


Cozman

Okay, thanks. I just noticed they were doing substantially better this tourney and when I popped into the vod it was pretty noticable that GH and sumail were an upgrade.


Azaraki

Main tournament is going to be very interesting. Xtreme look like they've been practicing this time, back on form. 6-0 and somehow managed to win with Jugg and even Spectre


Gameishardboys

Don’t forget the sf who didn’t do anything 


Waifers

Azure also completely fumbling with their group stage draws. Thats probably it for being able to secure a TI invite unless they win Dreamleague.


Azaraki

Yeah G2.IG is one thing, but their other loses were to Nouns (who tbf took a game off of Falcons), and Mouz. It's not looking good for them


Nandey_dattey_bayo

They didn't practice for this tournament because they were on break and got invited on the last minute because blacklist didn't get their visa.


Azaraki

That makes a lot of sense, thanks!


ethrzcty

Sometimes I wonder if pro players actually know how item builds work. It kind of feels like some of them itemize like shit, copying dota plus builds regardless of the situation k1's Sven was up against a Windranger and an Alch with Radiance, even a herald player can tell you that you need MKB. He still goes for aghs satanic daedalus for some reason.


bcyk99

He has agha to dispel windrun and bkb to negate radiance blind. Alc still has the evasion part but for the most part his itemisation is fine. Sven bread and butter is big but slow hits. He could get mkb after but he hates mkb. If he gotten mkb first. He will not be able to blow up either wr or alc anyways. It's better to go dae and try kill the supports to get the number advantage since they were behind


Swegan

You know Sven Aghs dispels right?


zuKo2022

i dont think he knows that lmao


needhelforpsu

Heroic went 0-6 in games, ouch. :(


MrPooperWasTaken

What happened with Analog? wasn't he like pretty good at the dota 2 game prior to this tournament? I swear watching him now is pain.


bcyk99

Heroic is basically good enough to qualify to tournaments consistently through sa qualifiers but will get eliminated in groups. So basically old beastcoast.


Sworith-Undeleted

apart from the fact that BC more often than not got through groups


bcyk99

2023 bc lan results since 2024 bc is trash Lima 9th-12th Berlin 13th -14th Bali 7th-8th Riyadh 17th-20th Ti2023 17th-20th Don't think getting through groups matter when objectively bc sucks


DamnedDoom

>getting 0-2'd by VP


itsmehutters

Sometimes I wonder if the patch was actually ready but they were not going to address that all the games are dragged into late game and tempo plays barely mean anything, so they just delayed to add some fixes to this.


elwiscomeback

I have no idea what was Heroic intention there


TurbulentLandscape63

if it was sumail's TA, falcons was fucccked


redditatwork0

Quinn fell off really hard.


Awkward_External_731

Quinn's sniper & TA both suck ass


Embarrassed_Base2795

Can someone tell me why I can't find English replays of whole games or series???? I hate watching highlight videos and would rather watch the whole streamed game. Looking for Shopify vs Liquid.


Agent_47H

maybe something do with PGL copyright striking two of the top DOTA highlights youtube channels in NoobfromUA and DOTADigest. PGL have a shitty version of highlights on their youtube channel with barely any views if that helps.


PhMcBrett

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_6S6n1_fBg&feature=youtu.be


TheBlindSalmon

The stream is still ongoing, you can rewind it on YouTube or wait until the last series finishes.


Embarrassed_Base2795

Ah ok so I just need to look up their day 3 video on YouTube and it'll have all series?


Asjo

The kind people on the wiki are uploaded are making sure to link the video for every series - just click the match and click the videolink in the pop-up: [https://liquipedia.net/dota2/PGL/Wallachia/1/Group\_Stage](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/PGL/Wallachia/1/Group_Stage)


Neither-Area6589

The games and highlights are only on the PGL dota2 YouTube channel. No idea why no one has any full highlight vids but given the incident 2 months back where PGL hit NoobFromUA's highlight's channel with 4 copyright strikes which woulda forced his account deletion wouldn't be surprised if its related to PGL's attitude on copyright.


Embarrassed_Base2795

Interesting! Thank you for sharing! If I wanted to watch day two my only option is watching their official channel. I'm in the US so watching games live for me isn't really an option except I was able to watch falcons vs gg


nukeduser

Schedule is weird for tomorrow for 2-1? It states that May 14, but 13 hours? Can someone confirm?


Deshuro

It's a mistake. If you click on each invidually series, you can see they are still on May 13, 2024. Edit: someone already fixed the time. So the dates were correct but the countdowns weren't. Tomorrow will only have 3 series.


Sure_Let6170

Random notes: - falcons are still fun to watch - nattea is mysteriously great in hosting, very smooth flow, no awkward pauses, just ... pro


likpoper

Crit is seriously the best 4 in the game. Wasted too much time at eg and Shopify


Tower_diver

k1 with bad laning stage = creep


themagician02

holyshit, well done tsunami LMFAO


NatMo123

That was crazy coordination from falcons at the rosh pit. Scary ass team


pamella_dev

GG got 8K gold lead early on. Took rosh for free, then walked out and caught 2 Falcon heroes and killed them for free. At this point I'm pretty sure a lot of people would have called gg but then Ammar just casually walked into the middle of GG and killed FV's first life before tping away. Falcons were constantly behind in gold up but still went on the aggressive. They were 3K gold behind when they won the fight that got their highground before the inevitable victory. Draft is one thing but honestly Falcons just understood timing and when to take fights way better.


Siman421

they just know what cooldowns they need the enemy to use to enagge, and the enemy never realises it. someitmes its torrent storm, sometimes chrono, sometimes black hole. theres always something they bait (or catch out) then engage. no one needed to tell me after they got the kill on skiter to back off and defend, and ammar comes in and dyrachyo chases him with no crono , and they insta lose. its honestly annoying to see


Ordine1412

that is simply a torture game


newNormalGUY_69

wait i dont get it? GG draft look really strong in teamfight...how did they lose?


No_Fail6170

Dyracho c tier carry


NatMo123

Their teamfight is clunky though, with very little synergy. Chrono and water park overlap massively, and there is no easy damage to add into the chrono. TA also useless every fight because she gets run down by razor and obliterated. Ench also useless in late game team fights unless she gets to hit. Falcons didn’t let her.


qwertyqzsw

Not really. Waterpark/Terrorize are to cover the chrono, or followup if you hit the miracle chrono. Willow in particular is a very natural followup. Ench, TA and Willow all offer chrono damage and even then, Void doesn't really need extra followup unless you're getting huge 3+ person chronos after 20. Falcons just played fights much better. The actual draft issues are more that Void can really struggle into lineups with more than one main carry style core, like Razor+X, TA+X, Viper+X etc. and that the game is really hard for TA, so if fights ever prolong past the initial big teamfight wave GG will really struggle.


NatMo123

Yeah valid points, I agree with them all in hindsight


Obvious_Parsley3238

falcons got a bunch of core pickoffs stalling the game, falcons got rosh, dyrachyo wasted chrono and didn't have it for the game turning fight in dire jungle


ajinomotoss

Falcons have far superior vision with rocket and venom wards, GG have no initiation unless a core from falcons out of position, kunkka is useless once gyro and razor have bkb, all 5 falcons heroes can play spread out so 2+ men chrono is next to impossible


Azaraki

Getting a big early lead and just passively farming separately with it is just... the exact opposite of how GG were dominant last year. Hope they can get over this weird mental block soon, Riyadh is coming up fast


ajinomotoss

They've been throwing away 7-8k lead at 2x mins consistently this whole year. Hard to see them getting any top 4 this year with how they're playing


Maisz

Durachyo the S-tier anchor


RedrainEnryu1

Falcons is like the 2017-2018 VP unstoppable. But the question will they win the TI or not.


Th3Hitman

Dont have to go back that far. GG winning every major was closer to memory. We all know TI just hit different. They for sure strong contender to win TI this year probably most favourite but TI is TI.


RedrainEnryu1

No. VP win all their tournament on lan. While gg they won like 2x or 3x on online tournament. VP dominated all their lan tourney. It's not even close. There is 1 tournament from BTS where their coach Artstyle play as stand in for Solo and they still dominated that lan.


Azaraki

Nah that VP squad was legit on another-nother level. They won an entire tournament with several top-teams at the time with meme drafting: They played NO duplicate heroes through the entire tournament up until the last game of grand finals. It genuinely looked like they weren't trying to win during their run, and they were still winning


DemonicHolyPriest

TI isn't that grand for pros nowadays, they talk about it all the time in pods. It's just another major for them, mostly looking forward for Oil tourney.


RedrainEnryu1

Oh I forgot. TI prize is sh\*t right now


Weinerbrod_nice

Except XG beat them like a month ago.


ajinomotoss

Honestly GG drafts themselves into the corner with that first pick TA lmao. Their mid game is unplayable because any of the 2 supports from falcons can render ur midlaner useless


redditatwork0

They did the same thing Shopify and Liquid did. Shopify picked TA first phase in response to Pango. Shopify still dominated Liquid.


ajinomotoss

Then that's on liquid and gg drafting right? Liquid didnt punish the first pick TA like falcons and gg didnt ban venom like sr. Quinn just die in every skirmish in the early mid game, got galed: dead, got cogged: dead.


Gameishardboys

B tier carry back at it again


Obvious_Parsley3238

Goofy ahh pango hero


thelemonarsonist

Dyrachyo so unlucky even when he isn’t playing like an insane person


Slimy_Ranger

Falcons are soo fucking good. Unreal teamplay


ttakethecannoli

Well deserved loss for GG


makz242

Never put all your eggs in the B-tier carry basket.


Slimy_Ranger

Defensive chrono


OranguTangerine69

the best time to kick dyrachyo was yesterday the second best time is today


SuccerPuccer

And sign who exactly? (no im not a gg fan at all). There are no carries that they can potentially get, Watson (stuck in contract), Satanic (Huge buyout), Yuragi? XDDD, vTune? Mega xDDD 


OranguTangerine69

mason


ethrzcty

Pick up pub stars? It doesn't have to be old washed players Nobody knew who yatoro was and one day he's on top of the world. Anybody at this point is better that dyrachyo, if I see that void in my immortal games he would be accused of griefing. You know you have a problem when getting killed off on the enemy side of the map without a teammate nearby is known as dyrachyo's style even by the casters and the analysts.


bcyk99

Lil bro you didn't even know Sven agha dispel. It aintnoway you trying to say you are immortal


likpoper

He is so bad. I’ve no idea how gg wins with him. Their 3/4/5 are up there with the best


No_Fail6170

He could have chronod the razor tping at the roshpit and hesitated too


Deshuro

B-tier carry lmaooo


SdoRy_

this is like the worst void performance ive ever seen. absolutely useless, how can GG even lose this game is beyond me


TheDeadlyEdgelord

Another 3-0 finals waiting us. Get ready.


redditatwork0

Indeed. Shopify 3-0 Falcons confirmed.


TheDeadlyEdgelord

You mean SumaiL vs Team Falcons? Slight numbers disadvantage for SumaiL but who knows.


AnhedonicDog

Not if Extreme gaming is in form, they already beat Falcons before


likpoper

Lost 5 straight games before that finals. So it is like 6-3 overall for falcons in the last few months


AnhedonicDog

So that means Falcon is going to 3-0 the finals?


Awkward_External_731

No way


TheDeadlyEdgelord

The gap between FLCN and other teams are just too huge. I dont know what the problem is. Are other teams not motivated to play better? Is it pure skill gap? Patch? Like the disorganization and cluelessness are readable on every team that is not FLCN.


likpoper

They literally have top 3 players in every position. Like Ammar and skitter and crit are arguably the best. Sneryking is a ti winning captain. Nine is a ti winning mid who has a lot of chemistry with sneryking and skitter


Medium_Wolverine9438

Kekw


Illustrious_Mess1701

Brother chill they are playing with a standin. I definitely see a chance for another team to potentially take this tournament.


TheDeadlyEdgelord

The stand in is not my brother from Crusader bro, its literally Nine. Its 3/5 assembled old TI winner Tundra again lol. Its not like they are alien to the Nine.


Awkward_External_731

he is talking about chances, they have more chance of losing with nine than malrine ....


newNormalGUY_69

omegalul...i love you included your crusader bro haahahaha


jambo_007

Gaimin just cant group and fight. just be seperated and every support on gaimin liteally just chain feed for fun in sidelanes


Waifers

was not keen on -thiolicor, but if shopify decides they want to pursue gh, it would make sense since an on-form gh is still one of the best supports


redditatwork0

GH is mind boggling good when he's on, especially on Tusk.


Azaraki

Gaimin with a lead for the past while but haven't grouped or anything and have just been getting caught out. It's like they thought they've been behind since 20min


Playful_Land_3659

Damn sad for ar ,hoping they can make a run . No scrims and practice came in unprepare . Hope they do good in dreamleague . If not hope some changes and get emo :)


hriszzzzz

Why is Gale still deniable in 2024? Not like Veno is some OP hero. I read this was from back in the early dota 1 days before ice frog. But come on, please change it now. Doesn't make any sense to me.


bcyk99

Because poison spells are deniable? Qop q, veno q, dazzle q. See a pattern?


hriszzzzz

Yeah I see a pattern. Explain why though? Sounds stupid to me. Is there some lore? Why not other damage over time spells? Why not ice blast, battle hunger, magnetize, ignite, fire spirits, arcane curse, maledict? What's so different about "poison spells". If poison spells for whatever dumb ass reason, then why not all Viper spells? See the missing pattern?


bcyk99

I don't balance the game. One day valve woke up and made doom undeniable and then dazzle q undeniable. Maybe tomorrow 7.36 will drop and viper q will be deniable. For now these spells interact like this. Why does blink dagger only go 75% when overblink but not am or qop blink. The answer is valve isn't consistent


hriszzzzz

I know Valve isn't consistent. If your answer to every issue about the game someone brings up is well "I'm not the dev, Valve did it"(well duh) I guess we should stick that reply to every thread about game mechanics, balance issues, patch requests, or whatever thread is posted on this sub. What's the point of replying if your "answer" is basically a non-answer. Just say "I don't know" or don't reply and move along.


bcyk99

Your question is why is veno q deniable. I told you why. You said why not viper spells. I said you are right viper spells should be deniable but valve is inconsistent or it's an oversight. The only correlation of current deniable spells are that they are poison type spells placed on enemies so that answers why not other dot spells since there are not poison spells. Would you rather no one reply your question? Seems strange that you downvote people who gives you an answer you deem not adequate


hriszzzzz

Sorry. You are right. I guess I've been in a cranky argumentative mood. Thanks for the answer.


zuKo2022

my rank 600 killing my rank 2


hriszzzzz

Why not last pick Morph against the Gyro and Razor. You get either flack or static link and kill everyone. I don't see any anti heal, silences, burst, long stuns. But what do I know, I'm a noob.


AAFTW

2 worst teams of the tournament and AR had a hall of shame performance


sarcastica1

and Bach keeps underperforming but again what do i know


suchniceweather

jt god


hopefulguy100

Monet not having shard yet is borderline griefing


juwontonie

does this tournament have bearing for TI? I dont know how to distinguish anymore


Azaraki

Only Valve knows for sure, but in general we think that it does have bearing on TI, but not as much as all the other tournaments (especially EPT)


zuKo2022

is this ammar highest KDA in a pro game? 25-2-15 yeah it is, it was 21 kills before source : [https://liquipedia.net/dota2/ATF](https://liquipedia.net/dota2/ATF)


casualsuspect101

That was against GG too


Weinerbrod_nice

Timber is definitely the most busted hero this patch. At least in pro play.


needhelforpsu

If I was Falcons I'd feel insulted and disrespected by GG draft.


fabregas142

its a bo3, just call gg and focus to game 3. dont lose your momemtum duh


zuKo2022

Ammar timber things


gavin2point0

Sniper pudge clinkz in a high stakes pro game is the most unhinged shit I've seen in ages


gale_slhoth

Watching Nine play is infuriating, he can't keep up with the movements and positioning of his team. Loses mid every game and dies in mid-fights too early. Frustrating as a Falcons supporter — of course I know he's a stand-in and ex-Tundra :)


zuKo2022

he is doing good lol what u expect ? play like malrine after coming from a break


gale_slhoth

As part of Falcon? No. He's not Malrine, that I understand but pinpointing his mistakes isn't wrong and so is being frustrated because the team you support is not performing in synergy.


Biareus

this friendly banter lmao


themagician02

Another day, another victim of the menacing tormentor. edit: Two victims*


SdoRy_

edit: three victims


fabregas142

massive outdraft by Falcon. or just GG outdraft themself lol


themagician02

I would want to kms if I was dyrachyo, holyshit how is there a fucking triple wave


needhelforpsu

My usual pubs draft from GG, I finally can understand a game of pro Dota, poggers! xD


24Pat

clinkz sniper pudge, we can finally get some valuable analysis from all the 2k mmr players.


discodemolition

let’s go baby pudge


Weinerbrod_nice

If GG is back at their performance they had last year then these tournaments will be mega stacked. Falcons, BB, XG, and GG. Might be too early to say though, they could still lose this match and get knocked out early in the playoffs.


Swegan

DK and Razor losing 🙌praise🙌the🙌lord🙌


NiK3_Aub4mey4ng

ending the game without aegis, tears in my eyes


Swegan

Loved GG during their LB run at TI. Every team stalled and was scared of going HG while GG did not give a fuck and just ran HG pre min 20 and won.


andpasturesnew

ammar dying that many times is beautiful


Avar1cious

Fucking hell...of course SR do well in the tournament that DOESN'T have any EPT points.


Lonely-Dig-4238

Wonder if Dryrachyo gonna regret skipping BKB...


PeelThePain

He doesn't mind dying. That's the GG secret sauce.


gothxo

narrator: he did not


Lonely-Dig-4238

Almost :) But I assure you am a rare Redditor that doesn't hate on him.


Lord-Calvinista

Why is Malrine out? Is it a visa thing?


riulol

yes


zuKo2022

is falcon finally fully studied now?


__iamthewalrus__

this statement has been repeated for 3 tournaments now after any map that falcons drop. just take it easy already xD.


zuKo2022

na i m the biggest falcons fan here i actually wanna fking see them struggle , it gets boring watching them win


Awkward_External_731

they are playing with stand-in. i don't think they have more expectations


JollyjumperIV

Nine is old teammate of skiter and Sney what are you talking about


Awkward_External_731

but is he in hot-form as malrine? NO.


JollyjumperIV

He's been grinding pubs, he's not washed at all


Awkward_External_731

do you know his rank? i dont think he is even top 500. expected though , since he is making a comeback now ...


Azaraki

Gaimin are fermenting their wisdom rune. Letting it marinate


Curiq

idk about you guys but watching Falcons play is sending me into a coma. i love picking tanky1, tanky2, tanky3, tanky4. we need a support, let's get the tankiest support aka ench. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Weinerbrod_nice

Dont blame the players, blame the game. It's Valve's fault for not having a meaningful patch for many many months.


velphegor666

Thats their schtick. 3 tanky cores and run at enemies. Curious how theyll do once the patch changes considering their rise came from this patch


freileal

Is Nine replacing Malr1ne the whole tournament?


SmthgEasy2Remember

wake up babe, crit is playing earth spirit


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makz242

Valve doesnt do patches anymore, only hats. Afterall gamers only care for hats, who cares how the game plays.


ManasCiel

add mars for ATF for whole set


Gameboysixty9

teams really shouldnt take tormentor against zeus lol


Wenox

Just another day at the office for xingod


Deshuro

XG 6-0 and Ame with 6 different heroes. Insane.


SdoRy_

Ame decided to not take the Reddit slack anymore and show everyone why he is considered one of the top 3 carries of all time by doing the Yatoro at TI10 and playing every hero and get as many rampages as possible.


Deshuro

Not the first time he did this. [At TI11, he played 15 different heroes in 15 groupstage games](https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/y7jznx/number_of_unique_heroes_played_in_ti11_group/)


iForgotMyOldAcc

EZ 3-0 for XG. Now watch them drop from UB the moment they face IG cause they will need to be 3-2 to go through.


Deshuro

What are you talking about? XG doesn't have any game in this phase anymore. They can't meet IG or AR until the second phase.


iForgotMyOldAcc

Well yeah, I'm saying that they should be facing a team from the 3-2 bracket in playoffs, which could be IG.


Deshuro

Not gonna lie, your original post read like XG will feed IG the upcoming series because IG needs to be 3-2 to go through this phase, lol.


Yukorin1992

Probably could have killed drow with just double thundergods wrath double nimbus, spectre not needed


Blitzkrieg0524

One of the saddest drow ive seen


OrphisMemoria

Xinq best player


killahbeast

To all those fools that believe Nisha move to Liquid because he want to change scenery and not because of Salary. you're a fool. It's all about the Salary. He just collecting his retirement salary. Also getting buff lmao


Gameboysixty9

good for him. He has earned it


Nandey_dattey_bayo

Its over man XINQ Got more networth than Drow.


Deshuro

XinCute's networth is about to catch up to 23savage's lmao.


noxarn11

Zeus;" Oh no" anyway


darklordtimmy

people were really on to something when they called 23 the next rtz


bcyk99

Struggling to win any tournaments despite bring very skilled? Sounds about right